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→ Thinking of you, wherever you are.
We pray for our sorrows to end,
and hope that our hearts will blend.
Now I will step forward to realize this wish.
And who knows:
starting a new journey may not so hard
or maybe it has already begun.
There are many worlds,
but they share the same sky-
one sky, one destiny.

In honor of the missing or deceased editors that helped mold Wikipedia and its sister projects into what it is now. Secret Saturdays (talk) 19:03, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved (per WP:SNOW) Secret Saturdays (talk to me) 20:59, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't fear criticisms, I laugh in the face of them.

It felt good typing this one. Secret Saturdays (talk) 02:58, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

  Reopened (no consensus) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:40, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined - no consensus. Simply south (talk) 17:28, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Etiquette—a fancy word for simple kindness

Meh, a bit rubbishy I know =p SpitfireTally-ho! 22:27, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved per consensus. Simply south (talk) 17:28, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ I've been spendin' way too long checkin' my tongue in the mirror
and bendin' over backwards just to try to see it clearer
But my breath fogged up the glass
and so I drew a new face and I laughed

The links can be changed if you think of something better. :) iMatthew talk at 03:18, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/December 4, 2009 (per WP:SNOW) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:30, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ How come we don't say I love you enough? It's not too late.

I'll give it a shot. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:41, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/December 3, 2009 (per WP:SNOW) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:27, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ I'm gonna try with a little help from my friends

This is probably borderline FUI due to the fact the song line\lyric before this if often used as a motto. Simply south (talk) 21:42, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of Edit 1) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:24, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ I'm gonna try with a little help from my friends

Edit 1 ~ Here is an alternative (which i think works better). Simply south (talk) 12:16, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/December 2, 2009 (per consensus) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:24, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.

After all, we can't all write FAs, SpitfireTally-ho! 19:37, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of Edit 1) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:22, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.

Edit 1 ~ How about this? Don't think it will work, but I'll give it a shot. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 07:50, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/December 1, 2009 (per consensus) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:22, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Cleaned and fixed gives a shine

Nice and simple, a rough translation from Spanish, SpitfireTally-ho! 19:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

  • Question - Is the motto supposed to be an english translation of the motto of the Academy, "Limpia, fija y da esplendor"? If so, the article says the translation is "[It] cleans, sets, and casts splendour", which would also work with the same links... Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Weak support - I like the motto but I'm not sure about the translation. Perhaps you could just remove that arrow link if the translation is wrong, it quite good anyway. WVRMAD•Talk •Guestbook 09:58, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of Edit 1) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Limpia, fija y da esplendor
("It cleans, sets, and gives splendor")

Edit 1: original version in Spanish. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:35, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/November 30, 2009 (per consensus) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Cleaned and fixed gives a shine

Edit 2 ~ without the link to the Real Academia Española per WRMAD. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:35, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of Edit 1) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ A little price. A lot of cover

I hope this doesn't sound too much like the (or an) advert. Simply south (talk) 20:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of Edit 1) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:16, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ A little price. A lot of cover

Edit one - What about this? Intelligentsium 03:37, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/November 29, 2009 (per consensus) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:16, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Without hard work, nothing grows but weeds.

Secret Saturdays (talk) 18:47, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined in favour of edit 1. Simply south (talk) 19:28, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Without hard work, nothing grows but weeds.

Edit one Intelligentsium 00:31, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved per consensus. Simply south (talk) 19:28, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Without hard work, nothing grows but weeds.

Edit 2 Slightly different message: If there are no good edits, vandalism will overtake articles. Intelligentsium 00:31, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined in favour of edit 1. Simply south (talk) 19:28, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

→ This is not just.

-- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 07:58, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I intended that Wikipedia isn't finished yet. Which means it is not just this, there is much more. I think I am getting confused of what "just" means in this context. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 01:09, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
In this context, "just" is an adjective meaning fair and righteous, related to "justice." Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:15, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined - withdrawn. Simply south (talk) 00:32, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Ask not what Wikipedia can do for you; ask what you can do for Wikipedia.

Sounds like it has been used before, but too lazy to check. Pipelinks aren't that great also. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 08:11, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined - withdrawn/FUI. Simply south (talk) 11:12, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't fear criticisms, I laugh in the face of them.

It felt good typing this one. Secret Saturdays (talk) 02:58, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

  Reopened (no consensus) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:40, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined - no consensus. Simply south (talk) 17:28, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Etiquette—a fancy word for simple kindness

Meh, a bit rubbishy I know =p SpitfireTally-ho! 22:27, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved per consensus. Simply south (talk) 17:28, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ I've been spendin' way too long checkin' my tongue in the mirror
and bendin' over backwards just to try to see it clearer
But my breath fogged up the glass
and so I drew a new face and I laughed

The links can be changed if you think of something better. :) iMatthew talk at 03:18, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/December 4, 2009 (per WP:SNOW) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:30, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ How come we don't say I love you enough? It's not too late.

I'll give it a shot. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:41, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/December 3, 2009 (per WP:SNOW) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:27, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ I'm gonna try with a little help from my friends

This is probably borderline FUI due to the fact the song line\lyric before this if often used as a motto. Simply south (talk) 21:42, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of Edit 1) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:24, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ I'm gonna try with a little help from my friends

Edit 1 ~ Here is an alternative (which i think works better). Simply south (talk) 12:16, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/December 2, 2009 (per consensus) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:24, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.

After all, we can't all write FAs, SpitfireTally-ho! 19:37, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of Edit 1) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:22, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.

Edit 1 ~ How about this? Don't think it will work, but I'll give it a shot. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 07:50, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/December 1, 2009 (per consensus) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:22, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Cleaned and fixed gives a shine

Nice and simple, a rough translation from Spanish, SpitfireTally-ho! 19:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

  • Question - Is the motto supposed to be an english translation of the motto of the Academy, "Limpia, fija y da esplendor"? If so, the article says the translation is "[It] cleans, sets, and casts splendour", which would also work with the same links... Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Weak support - I like the motto but I'm not sure about the translation. Perhaps you could just remove that arrow link if the translation is wrong, it quite good anyway. WVRMAD•Talk •Guestbook 09:58, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of Edit 1) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Limpia, fija y da esplendor
("It cleans, sets, and gives splendor")

Edit 1: original version in Spanish. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:35, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/November 30, 2009 (per consensus) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Cleaned and fixed gives a shine

Edit 2 ~ without the link to the Real Academia Española per WRMAD. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:35, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of Edit 1) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ A little price. A lot of cover

I hope this doesn't sound too much like the (or an) advert. Simply south (talk) 20:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of Edit 1) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:16, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ A little price. A lot of cover

Edit one - What about this? Intelligentsium 03:37, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/November 29, 2009 (per consensus) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:16, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Without hard work, nothing grows but weeds.

Secret Saturdays (talk) 18:47, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined in favour of edit 1. Simply south (talk) 19:28, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Without hard work, nothing grows but weeds.

Edit one Intelligentsium 00:31, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved per consensus. Simply south (talk) 19:28, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Without hard work, nothing grows but weeds.

Edit 2 Slightly different message: If there are no good edits, vandalism will overtake articles. Intelligentsium 00:31, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined in favour of edit 1. Simply south (talk) 19:28, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

→ This is not just.

-- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 07:58, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I intended that Wikipedia isn't finished yet. Which means it is not just this, there is much more. I think I am getting confused of what "just" means in this context. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 01:09, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
In this context, "just" is an adjective meaning fair and righteous, related to "justice." Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:15, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined - withdrawn. Simply south (talk) 00:32, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Ask not what Wikipedia can do for you; ask what you can do for Wikipedia.

Sounds like it has been used before, but too lazy to check. Pipelinks aren't that great also. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 08:11, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined - withdrawn/FUI. Simply south (talk) 11:12, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Hard work conquers everything.

A lot of the Dawn of War menu quotes are contrary to the ideas of Wikipedia, but this one is actually fitting. UberScienceNerd Talk Contributions 03:51, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined in favour of edit 2. Simply south (talk) 21:58, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Hard work conquers everything.

Edit 1 - per Intelligentsium. WVRMAD•Talk •Guestbook 11:10, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined in favour of edit 2. Simply south (talk) 21:58, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Hard work conquers everything.

Edit 2 - per Intelligentsium. WVRMAD•Talk •Guestbook 11:10, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved edit 2 per consensus. Simply south (talk) 21:58, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

A version of Edmund Burke's famous quote. Hmmwhatsthisdo (talk) 01:33, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Current Score (assuming Strong is 2x and "Quite Strong" is 3x) is +5, as of 5:58 PM GMT-8, 11/14/09.

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/November 25, 2009 (per consensus; 4++ in support and 0 opposed) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:07, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

→ In beauty, faults conspicuous grow;
The smallest speck is seen on snow

John Gay (1685–1732), Fables: "Peacock, Turkey, and Goose" (1738) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/November 24, 2009 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:04, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Love like you've never been hurt, Dance like nobody's watching, and Live everyday for itself.

It has been awhile since I've submitted one, so I'll give this a try. BW21.--BlackWatch21 22:36, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/November 23, 2009 (per consensus; 5 in support and 0 opposed) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:01, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Love like you've never been hurt, dance like nobody's watching, and live everyday for itself

Edit 1 Added wp:BOLD and wp:FORGIVE links as per Pjoef's comment &#0149;xytram&#0149; tkctgy 12:11, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of the original) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:01, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes

I'm unsure of my first link but can't find anything more appropriate, edit this version if you like &#0149;xytram&#0149;tkcsgy 10:59, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

NOTE: I've restored the original version and created the "Edit 1" version below as per Nutiketaiel request. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:47, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined in favour of edit 1. Simply south (talk) 18:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes

Edit 1: "Changed links as above. Any better?" by Xytram. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:47, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved edit 1 per consensus. Simply south (talk) 18:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Crescit eundo

-- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 07:50, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Darn it. Withdraw. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 01:07, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined - withdrawn\FUI. Simply south (talk) 18:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

:) –Juliancolton | Talk 13:37, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined - joke motto. Simply south (talk) 18:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Do or do not; there is no try

Origin of the motto and your comments. 69.210.132.185 (talk) 00:30, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined per WP:SNOW. Simply south (talk) 18:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle

Nice sentiment. I felt like putting something to do with vandalism as hard battle. But that make people feel that all we do here is that! &#0149;xytram&#0149; tkctgy 12:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved original per consensus. Simply south (talk) 18:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle

Edit 1 How about this? --I dream of horses (T) @ 18:24, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined in favour of original. Simply south (talk) 18:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Wherever they burn books, in the end will also burn human beings.

If there is too much vandalism on articles, the articles eventually get deleted. Secret Saturdays (talk) 18:05, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

NOTE: ORIGINAL VERSION –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined in favour of edit 1. Simply south (talk) 18:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Wherever they burn books, in the end will also burn human beings.

Edit 1 per Secret Saturdays (Revision as of 23:49, 1 November 2009). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved edit 1 per consensus. Simply south (talk) 18:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Beauty is Nature's coin, must not be hoarded.
But must be current, and the good thereof
Consists in mutual and partaken bliss.
Unsavory in th' enjoyment of itself:
If you let slip time, like a neglected rose,
It withers on the stalk with languished head.

John Milton (1608–1674), Poems of Mr John Milton, Both English and Latin, "Comus" (A Mask Presented at Ludlow Castle, 1634) (1645). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:47, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved per consensus. Simply south (talk) 18:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

→ There's nothing ill can dwell in such a temple:
If the ill spirit have so fair a house,
Good things will strive to dwell with't.

William Shakespeare (1564–1616), The Tempest, Act I, Scene ii (1623) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:00, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

  Reopened - no consensus. Simply south (talk) 21:58, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

  • Weak Support, assuming that my interpretation is accurate - I think that what it's trying to say is that Wikipedia is so cool, nothing bad can come here, and if vandals would just realize how cool we are, they wouldn't come here to vandalize. Is that the gist of what this motto is trying to get across, Pjoef? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:14, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
    • Reply: Yes, Nutiketaiel, your interpretation is completely correct!!! And, the fact that it could be hard to understand, in some cases, is not a bad idea, because it makes people thinking. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:21, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Nutiketaiel, and it might be hard to understand. --I dream of horses (T) @ 23:06, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined per no\weak consensus (discounting I dream of horses's second vote). Simply south (talk) 18:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

→ There's nothing ill can dwell in such a temple:
If the ill spirit have so fair a house,
Good things will strive to dwell with't

Edit 1 Just an idea for some different link or two maybe? &#0149;xytram&#0149;tkcsgy 15:03, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined per consensus. Simply south (talk) 18:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

→ If you believe everything you read, better not read

Simply stating that Wikipedia is not perfect but can easily be improved &#0149;xytram&#0149;tkcsgy 11:24, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined per WP:SNOW. Simply south (talk) 18:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

→ To all who come to this happy place - welcome.

Going to give it a shot. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 07:53, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved per WP:SNOW. Simply south (talk) 13:58, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Food is essential to life. Therefore, make it good.

I saw this quote at one of the Chick-fil-a restraunts. Secret Saturdays (talk) 21:03, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved (per consenus) Secret Saturdays (talk) 22:58, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Food is essential to life. Therefore, make it good.

Edit 1 How about this? --I dream of horses (T) @ 18:27, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favor of edit 1) Secret Saturdays (talk) 22:58, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

→ We keep moving forward, opening new doors, and doing new things, because we're curious and curiosity keeps leading us down new paths.

Secret Saturdays (talk) 18:05, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved (per consenus) Secret Saturdays (talk) 04:16, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


A reputation isn't something you buy or inherit, it's something you earn

If anyone as an idea for links, please add it to the motto. Secret Saturdays (talk) 02:58, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of Edit 2) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

A reputation isn't something you buy or inherit, it's something you earn

Edit 1 A possible better third link. Promoting boldness as a positive &#0149;xytram&#0149;tkcsgy 11:11, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of Edit 2) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

A reputation isn't something you buy or inherit, it's something you earn

Edit 2 - I agree with Spitfire that the WP:COPY link didn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense. However, on further consideration, I realized why it was there- the message is that you should not try to enhance yourself or your reputation on Wikipedia by using (i.e., buying or inheriting) the works of others (thus, violating copyright). With that in mind, I think that this version makes a little more sense in context. Both the original and Edit 1 are passable and carry my Weak Support, but this version carries my Support. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:34, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/November 15, 2009 (per consensus; ; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

While one person hesitates because he feels inferior, the other is busy making mistakes and becoming superior.

I really like this quote basically personifying an article -Orphaned articles won't get updated as much, and it's OK to be bold & imperfect to end up with FAC &#0149;xytram&#0149;tkcsgy 14:50, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of Edit 2) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

While one person hesitates because he feels inferior, the other is busy making mistakes and becoming superior

Edit 1 How about this? &#0149;xytram&#0149;tkcsgy 16:46, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of Edit 2) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

While one person hesitates because he feels inferior, the other is busy making mistakes and becoming superior.

Edit 2 This one might be a little better. --I dream of horses (T) @ 23:03, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/November 14, 2009 (per WP:SNOW) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

→ It is our responsibilities, not ourselves, that we should take seriously

&#0149;xytram&#0149;tkcsgy 11:28, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/November 13, 2009 (per consensus; 2-3 in support, and 0 opposed) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

→It's our responsibilities, not ourselves, that we should take seriously.

Edit 1 How about this one? --I dream of horses (T) @ 23:09, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of the original) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Even though I walk through the valley of the shadows of death, I fear no evil, for you are with me.

If anyone as an idea for better links, please add it to the motto. Secret Saturdays (talk) 03:04, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of Edit 4) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:46, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Even though I walk through the valley of the shadows of death, I fear no evil, for you are with me

Edit 1 &#0149;xytram&#0149;tkcsgy 11:50, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of Edit 4) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:46, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Even though I walk through the valley of the shadows of death, I fear no evil, for you are with me

Edit 2 - I replaced the WP:EVIL link with WP:VANDALISM, which I think makes much more sense in context. I also restored the Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress link from the original version, which I felt was a good representation and a page we don't link to often. This version has my Strong Support. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:26, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of Edit 4) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:46, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Even though I walk through the valley of the shadows of death, I fear no evil, for you are with me

Edit 3 This much better? --I dream of horses (T) @ 23:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (in favour of Edit 4) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:46, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Even though I walk through the valley of the shadows of death, I fear no evil, for you are with me

Edit 4- I changed the "I" link from WP:USER to WP:WIKIPEDIAN. I also altered the "you" link, slightly, pulling a link from Edit 3. This version has my Strong Support. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:07, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/November 12, 2009 (per consensus; 2 in support, 2 in strong support and 0 opposed) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:46, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

→ A daughter of the gods, divinely tall.
And most divinely fair.

Alfred Tennyson (1809–1892), Poems, "A Dream of Fair Women" (1832) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:21, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined - no consensus. Simply south (talk) 23:18, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Another day, another prominent accomplishment.

This is supposed to present an overview that Wikipedia is moving forward, not back. Artichoke-Boy (talk) 21:13, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

  Reopened (not enough discussion) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:22, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined - no consensus. Simply south (talk) 23:18, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Another day, another prominent accomplishment.

This any better? --I dream of horses (T) @ 01:22, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined - no consensus. Simply south (talk) 23:18, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Another day, another prominent accomplishment

  Declined - no consensus. Simply south (talk) 23:18, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

→ Another day, another dollar

Edit 3 or 2a.II. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:05, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

  • Weak Oppose - I guess the links make a little more sense this way, but the motto itself is still very bland, and I'm not a huge fan of self-referential mottos. It's not terrible, though. My mind might be swayed by informed, reasoned debate. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:39, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined - no consensus. Simply south (talk) 23:18, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

It's easier to tell the truth than tell a lie.

...Secret Saturdays (talk) 01:39, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Weak support - better than without links. WVRMAD•Talk •Guestbook 18:29, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose - The first link doesn't work for me- I'm not sure what the "Use Common Sense" portion on an essay explaining WP:IAR has to do with the motto or the word "easier." Additionally, I'm not sure about the motto as a whole. After all, is it not easier to make shit up than it is to find reliable sources and write the article as it should be? Not that I'm advocating making shit up (or making mottos about making shit up), but the motto itself just seems off to me. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:24, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

  Reopened - no consensus. Simply south (talk) 22:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined - no consensus. Simply south (talk) 23:18, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

The truth is easier than simply telling a tale

  Declined - no consensus. Simply south (talk) 23:18, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

The truth is easier than simply telling a tale

  Declined - no consensus. Simply south (talk) 23:18, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

→ I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis

Nomination refrencing Dos Equis reminded me of this one. 67.180.161.183 (talk) 23:28, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Reply - Well, I remain opposed to it. I guess I just don't watch enough beer comercials. Besides, you don't need those tools to fight vandalism. I fight vandals the old fashioned way, with the recent changes page and the revert button. Just like the knights of old!! Just as my father, and my grandfather, and my great-grandfather did before me, in the old country. (Wait, does rollback count as a tool?) Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:45, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

  Reopened - no consensus. Simply south (talk) 17:21, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

→ I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis

Here is an interesting take although i hope not the wrong way. Edit 1. Simply south (talk) 21:10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

→ I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis

Way much better version than e1. Edit 2. Simply south (talk) 22:31, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined all per consensus. Simply south (talk) 23:18, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

A small act of kindness can go a long way.

I forgot who created this quote. Secret Saturdays (talk) 23:41, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

  Approved per consensus. Simply south (talk) 23:08, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

→ To freely bloom — that is my definition of success

&#0149;xytram&#0149;tkcsgy 14:05, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/November 10, 2009 (per WP:SNOW) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Which came first, the seed or the plant?

Do editors make Wikipedia, or would there be no editors without Wikipedia? WVRMAD•Talk •Guestbook 17:00, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/November 9, 2009 (per consensus; 4 in support and 1 opposed) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:03, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Having a high position doesn't make you great, what you do is what makes you great.

Secret Saturdays (talk) 02:58, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved per WP:SNOW. Simply south (talk) 22:15, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

→ "Time's glory is to command contending kings
To unmask falsehood, and bring truth to light."

William Shakespeare, The Rape of Lucrece. This is my first nomination - thought it would be interesting. Intelligentsium 23:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

  Declined in favour of edit 1 Simply south (talk) 22:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

→ "Time's glory is to command contending kings
To unmask falsehood, and bring truth to light."

Edit 1 - Per my above suggestion, this edit has my strong support. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:22, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

I can understand why edit war probably wasn't such a good choice, but it seemed logical with the part about "contending kings". If you think this one is better, I don't see any harm in changing it to this then. Intelligentsium 16:02, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

  Reopened (both original and edit 1; not enough discussion) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:24, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved per consensus. Simply south (talk) 22:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Funny.

It's worth a shot. Who said mottos have to be complete sentences anyway? Think of it as a theatrical poster. 67.180.161.183 (talk) 01:27, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Did it ever come to you that that was the joke? 67.180.161.183 (talk) 22:20, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

  Reopened (no consensus) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:19, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved per weak consensus. Simply south (talk) 22:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

→ How near to good is what is fair,
Which we no sooner see,
But with the lines and outward air
Our senses taken be.
We wish to see it still, and prove
What ways we may deserve;
We court, we praise, we more than love,
We are not grieved to serve.

Ben Jonson (1572–1637), Love Freed from Ignorance and Folly (1616) ~ I'm not sure about this one. Surely we could use a better set of links, or, maybe, only the second part from: We wish to see it still.... –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:22, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

How near to good is what is fair,
Which we no sooner see,
But with the lines and outward air
Our senses taken be.
We wish to see it still, and prove
What ways we may deserve;
We court, we praise, we more than love,
We are not grieved to serve. WVRMAD•Talk •Guestbook 17:29, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined in favour of edit 1. Simply south (talk) 22:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

→ How near to good is what is fair,
Which we no sooner see,
But with the lines and outward air
Our senses taken be.
We wish to see it still, and prove
What ways we may deserve;
We court, we praise, we more than love,
We are not grieved to serve.

Per WVRMad. --I dream of horses (T) @ 01:32, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved per consensus. Simply south (talk) 22:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

If it wasn't for you, there would be nothing

Heard this phrase somewhere before...need a link to Wikipedia, but linking Wikipedia to nothing would seem awkward. Also, needs re-phrasing. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 19:35, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

  Approved per above and below consensus. Simply south (talk) 22:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

If it wasn't for you, there would be nothing.

Edit 2 per WVRMad. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:28, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

  Reopened All versions per no consensus.--LAAFansign review 03:03, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined in favour of original per consensus. Simply south (talk) 22:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

→ We should never judge a president by his age, only by his works.

I would like to appear on November 4 (Election day in the US). Secret Saturdays (talk) 21:16, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

  • Oppose I don't think it's a good idea to relate the Presidency of the United States to adminship, because that might give people the (incorrect) idea that adminship is a position of authority, power, and respect, which it is not. Intelligentsiumreview 01:41, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Strong Oppose - I completely agree with Intelligentsium on this one. We don't want to be giving the false impression that Adminship is worthy of esteem or special regard, or that it is something people should aspire to. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:20, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (per concensus) Secret Saturdays (talk) 02:50, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

→ We should never judge a president by his age, only by his works.

Edit one - This has my support, because it sends a "don't bite based on edit count" message, whilst not portraying admins as authority figures. Intelligentsiumreview 01:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Oppose as the original creator I believe that the other was better in message because I heard of a lot of users that were rejected for adminship because of their age and as such, the age thing m,ust be discussed and be noticed by the community (and we rarely have a problem with edit counting bites). Secret Saturdays (talk) 00:41, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/November 4, 2009 (per WP:SNOW) Secret Saturdays (talk) 02:42, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

→ Tenka Fubu
("Conquer all under heaven")

"Conquer all under heaven," which supports the spirit of boldness. -moritheilTalk 01:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

  • Weak Support - Wow, we're really racking up the non-english mottos lately. Still, the link fits, though the phrase is pretty obscure, and your translation doesn't match up exactly with the one in the article under the arrow link (though that's not necessarily unusual in these cases, and it's close enough). However, it would be helpful to have the translation in the motto itself so the readers actually know what it is saying. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:15, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Weak support - Ok moto, link fits. It needs the translation though, not everyone one wants to bother looking up an article just to see what the phrase means. WVRMAD•Talk •Guestbook 16:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Weak support I'm kind of bored of bold quotes, myself, but this quote is okay. Following the quotes' instruction, I went ahead and boldly put the translation under the quote. ;-) --I dream of horses (T) @ 01:13, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Support –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:25, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved Per consensus.--LAAFan 20:39, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Revenge is a dish best not served at all.

This is my take on the famous "revenge is a dish best served cold" line. ---Artichoke-Boy (talk)(sign) 20:15, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved Per consensus.--LAAFan 20:37, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

→ No soup for you!

This is arguably one of the most famous Seinfeld lines of all time. ---Artichoke-Boy (talk)(sign) 14:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved Per consensus.--LAAFan 20:35, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

→ I predict a riot, I predict a riot

Does this work? Simply south (talk) 18:29, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

→ I predict a riot, I predict a riot

e1 Simply south (talk) 19:52, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

  Reopened - No consensus\not enough discussion. Simply south (talk) 22:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined Both original and edit 1 per WP:SNOW--LAAFan 03:01, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

→ It don't matter if you're black or white

Simply south (talk) 16:33, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved Per consensus.--LAAFan 02:58, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

→ "There's nothing that allays an angry mind
So soon as a sweet beauty.

Francis Beaumont (1584–1616) and John Fletcher (1579–1625), The Elder Brother, Act III, Scene V (1637) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:42, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

→ There's nothing that allays an angry mind
So soon as a sweet beauty.

Edit 1 per me. Artichoke-Boy (talk) 21:09, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

→ There's nothing that allays an angry mind
So soon as a sweet beauty.

Edit 2 per me. Artichoke-Boy (talk) 21:09, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved Edit 2 and   Declined Original and Edit 1 per consensus.--LAAFan 02:56, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Do not be discouraged if for everything you do well, someone else does better, for surely for everything you do poorly, someone else does worse

Origin of the motto and your comments. I thought of it in school. 68.249.3.8 (talk) 23:33, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

  • Weak Support - It's an interesting sentiment, and I like it, but it is worded a little awkwardly. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:39, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Weak Support - I like it, except from the fact that it could be seen to be encourage competitivity, whereas what we should be encouraging is everyone working together on articles, and helping out those who are struggling. Still, that's just one way of looking at it. SpitfireTally-ho! 11:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Weak Support - I like it! I have to agree that it's a bit wordy, and it sounds like it's trying to be from a famous author (Of course, I don't know, maybe you're on your way!), but the thought is there. Maybe something along the lines of "Don't be discouraged if you don't do something as well as someone else, because you could surely do worse." (with appropriate wikilinks) The thing is, "don't be discouraged if you do poorly, at least you're doing something!" There's some greater truth in this, I'll have to tease it out by playing with it for a while. "Your contributions are still valued!" Hires an editor (talk) 12:12, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Support - I like it! I agree with Spitfire, I think it does seen to encourage competitivity but I still really like it, the links are very good as well. I'm not really sure about Hires an editor's suggestions, they might be very good linked correctly but I like the moto as it is. WVRMAD•Talk •Guestbook 16:47, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved Per consensus.--LAAFan 22:27, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

→ My name is Harvey Milk and I'm here to recruit you!

From Milk Secret Saturdays (talk) 22:00, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined Per consensus.--LAAFan 22:26, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

→ An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason.

This is a quote from C.S. Lewis. I don’t think it’s too confusing...it basically means that explaining why you did something doesn’t always make the action justified. And, in this case, it’s accusing someone of a personal attack for accusing you of a personal attack. Artichoke-Boy (talk) 23:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

  • Support - interesting, and I quite like it. A good message that's relevant (NPANPA happens all too often). Only possible issue is that it took me some time to fully figure out the meaning in relation to the quote itself, but I'd say it's a keeper. JamieS93 00:10, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Support - Great moto, it did take me a moment or to to work it out, but it's still very good. WVRMAD•Talk •Guestbook 17:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved Per consensus.--LAAFan 22:21, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Death is a dish best served...warm?

The origin is the famous quote "Death is a dish best served cold" which I have modifed for Wikipedia. This quote suggests that when an article gets speedy deleted, especially if it is an article by a brand new contributor, the nominator should do their best to explain the deletion in a way that values the effort of the contribution while explaining how the editor can contribute better. If CSDers went back to their nominations and replied to the {{holdon}} tags with civility and respect rather than blasting the new users with policy, we have a better opportunity to gain future valuable editors. TParis00ap (talk) 15:47, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Weak Oppose I like the links and your explanation, but I don't think it'll fit with Wikipedia. Secret Saturdays (talk) 20:40, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined per WP:SNOW.--LAAFan 14:04, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

→ Minna, miteite kure! ("Everyone, Please look!")

A brawl taunt from Marth (it originated from Super Smash Bros Brawl). If you have a better idea for a link, pleaser change it. Secret Saturdays (talk) 21:03, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved Per consensus.--LAAFan 14:01, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

→ Work hard, eat right, and you'll never stop earning your stripes.
We are tigers, might mighty tigers!

Frosted Flakes, they're more than good! They're grrrrrrrrreat! 67.180.161.183 (talk) 05:02, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

→ Work hard, eat right, and you'll never stop earning your stripes.

Edit 1 A proposed alternative addressed the problems of the original (such as it won't be obvious that it was an advertisement and getting rid of WP:REVERT). Secret Saturdays (talk) 00:47, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved Edit 1 and   Declined original per consensus.--LAAFan 23:59, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

→ Nobody can bring you peace but yourself.

Once again from brainyquote.com Secret Saturdays (talk) 23:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved Per consensus.--LAAFan 01:01, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

→ 90 percent of my time is spent on 10 percent of the world.

Also from brainyquote.com Secret Saturdays (talk) 23:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined Per consensus.--LAAFan 00:59, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

→ Be bold, be bold, and everywhere be bold but be not too bold

Tell me if this has been used before, I was surprised when an archive search turned up nothing, since this is on WP:BOLD. Intelligentsiumreview 02:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved Per consensus.--LAAFan 22:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

→ Come on, Step it up!

Another brawl taunt, but from Sonic. Secret Saturdays (talk) 21:03, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved Per consensus.--LAAFan 22:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

→ Nothing that is complete breathes.

Edit two, tTrying to get the same message across but using a different quote, as per my oppose, if you would prefer if I didn't start this as an edit, rather as a separate motto then I would be happy to change it from an edit to a separate motto, depending what people think SpitfireTally-ho! 08:45, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

→ Nothing that is complete breathes.

Edit 1 per Chamal. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

  Reopened Both original and edit 1 per lack of consensus.--LAAFansign review 16:17, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Oppose - I'm sorry, I just can't support it. I admit that this link is an improvement over the original, but I still don't like the motto itself. It implies that all life is incomplete and imperfect, and that is something that I just cannot agree with. Such a thought either makes perfection impossible, which I do not believe, or relagates it to the spiritual, which I most emphatically don't believe. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:14, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Support edit 1 –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:25, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

  Declined Original and   Approved Edit 1 per general consensus.--LAAFan 00:59, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Today I am The Luckiest Man On The Face Of The Earth

Lou Gehrigs words in his luckiest man speech i feel that this is a good motto and should be used on his birthday or July 4th . BigPadresDUDE (talk) 01:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Today I am the luckiest man on the face of the earth.

Same thing, only linked to make it relevant to Wikipedia.

  Declined both (no concensus) Secret Saturdays (talk) 00:59, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

→ We have so much to be thankful for...

This is, obviously, for Thanksgiving of 2009. I shuffled how I should word this back and forth in my head, but decided that the best way would be the most straightforward and in the sprit of the holiday. So there you have it.  ARTICHOKE-BOY  (Talk) 22:31, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/November 26, 2009 (per WP:SNOW) Secret Saturdays (talk) 21:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

→ Despise the enemy strategically, but take him seriously tactically.

Found it on brainyquote.com Secret Saturdays (talk) 23:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (per WP:SNOW). Secret Saturdays (talk) 21:01, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

ATTENTION ALL VANDALS:
If you want your edits to last,
Don't hit "refresh".

This one just sort of hit me, spur of the moment. I hope the motto’s message is clear. I’m trying to say that blatant vandalism doesn’t last very long on Wikipedia, and hitting refresh is usually enough to see it go away (if you get my drift).  ARTICHOKE-BOY  (Talk) 22:13, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Oppose - I get the message, but I don't like this motto for two reasons. First, I don't think we should be directly addressing vandals (even in general) with mottos. Second, it could be construed as saying that vandalism is alright as long as you only do it once and then let it get reverted, which is obviously not a message we want to send. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:23, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose - I agree with Nutiketaiel, I don't think motos should be addressing vandals. WVRMAD•Talk •Guestbook 17:53, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

  Declined (per WP:SNOW). Secret Saturdays (talk) 03:23, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

→ One determined person can make a significant difference;
But a small group of determined people
Can change the course of history.

This is my first MOTD nomination (and contribution to Wikipedia in general) in weeks, since I have been very busy with other matters. Anyway, It looks like I'm back where I left off.  ARTICHOKE-BOY  (Talk) 20:16, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

  Declined in favour of edit 1. Simply south (talk) 22:21, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

→ One determined person can make a significant difference;
But a small group of determined people
Can change the course of history.

Edit 1. Here's a link change for "the course of history" that I think works a lot better than what I previously had.  ARTICHOKE-BOY  (Talk) 19:51, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

  Approved edit 1 per consensus. Simply south (talk) 22:21, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

If it wasn't for you, there would be nothing.

Edit 1 – Inspired by above discussion. If it wasn't for Wikipedians, there wouldn't be Wikipedia. --I dream of horses (T) @ 02:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

  Reopened Both original and edit 1 per no consensus.--LAAFansign review 22:24, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

  Clerk declined (no consenus) Secret Saturdays (talk) 20:42, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

→ Thou who hast
The fatal gift of beauty

George Gordon Byron (1788–1824), Childe Harold's Pilgrimage, Canto IV (1818). All linked to WP:TFA (Wikipedia:Today's featured article). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:57, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

→ Thou who hast
The fatal gift of beauty

alternative 1 Simply south (talk) 19:46, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Quite strong support - Today's featured picture is not often used as a link, I think this is a great opportunity to link a different area of Wikipedia! WVRMAD•Talk •Guestbook 18:26, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Weak Support - I prefer this one slightly to the original, as featured pictures are rarely linked to here, but both would be equally acceptable. I wonder, though, about the original context. Specifically, why is the gift of beauty "fatal" in this quote? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:29, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
    Comment: Well, George died in 1824, so we can not ask him why the gift of beauty is fatal. A teacher of English literature or a Byron scholar such as John Mortimer will be able to answer your question better than me. IMHO, it is something proceeding from fate, destiny, something that is sometime inevitable and uncontrollable... something that happens. I also think that in the 19th century plastic surgery had not yet been invented. What about removing that fatal word? I'm kidding!!! (^___^) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:26, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
    Reply - Well, maybe we shouldn't use it if we don't understand the original context; we might be misusing the quote. I'm changing my position to Oppose. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
    Beauty is fatal means it is maginficent to look at. Simply south (talk) 16:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
    Context: Childe Harold depicts the travels of a young, melancholic, and disillusioned Byronic [anti-]hero (in this case is Byron himself) around the Mediterranean, and it expresses the Byron's view of the man's concept of perfection that we can not attain. So the theme of "perfection" (or imperfection) is among us again, Nutik. Those lines are part of the Byron's translation of a sonnet written by Italian poet Vincenzo da Filicaja (1642–1707):
    Italia, Italia! O tu cui feo la sorte
    Dono infelice di bellezza, ond&#146;hai
    Funesta dote d&#146;infiniti guai
    Che in fronte scritti per gran doglia parte.
    The subject is the &#147;beauty of Italy&#148;.
    The following is the original context (Canto IV, Stanza XLII):
       Italia! O[h] Italia! thou who hast
       The fatal gift of beauty, which became
       A funeral dower of present woes and past,
       On thy sweet brow is sorrow ploughed by shame,
       And annals graved in characters of flame.
       Oh God! that thou wert in thy nakedness
       Less lovely or more powerful, and couldst claim
       Thy right, and awe the robbers back, who press
    To shed thy blood, and drink the tears of thy distress;
    I hope this can help, but I also think that we may use quotes regardless of their original context and meaning. We can use them for our purposes, they must be "immediate" and express something that is supposed to be of interest and suitable for our project. I think that it is not a problem if their interpretations are totally opposite to the original meaning as conceived and intended by their authors... but this is just my opinion. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:10, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
    Reply - Thanks, you guys, for indulging me by providing all this info. I'm withdrawing my opposition and changing my opinion to Neutral, as I do not like this quote, but I think that is a product of my hatred for poetry in general, and I do not think that is sufficient reason to oppose a motto. So, go for it. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Very Weak Support. The link is good, but I'm confused as to how the "fatal" aspect relates to the link in any way.  ARTICHOKE-BOY  (Talk) 21:48, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Strong Support Per above, Featured Picture is almost never linked in MOTD. Great motto--LAAFansign review 21:40, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

  Reopened Per no consensus.--LAAFansign review 03:03, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved Edit 1 and   Declined Original per consensus.--LAAFansign review 21:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

→ I have not failed;
I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.

This is a great quote by Thomas Edison, and I thought it would make a good MOTD as well. Artichoke-Boy (talk) 21:13, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/October 17, 2009 (per WP:SNOW) –Secret Saturdays (talk) 03:23, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

→ A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down

Simply south (talk) 17:09, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

  Approved for Wikipedia:Motto of the day/October 16, 2009 (per WP:SNOW) –Secret Saturdays (talk) 03:20, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

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