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Dead link deletion

If i see a dead link, should i immediately delete the hypertext or leave it as is? ArkayusMako (talk) 09:57, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

You'll find advice at WP:Link rot. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:01, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

"I mean, if you're the police, who will police the police?"

Collapsing pointless rant

After only a few days trying my hand at editing - I give up. This seemingly organic website - which I previously held in high esteem - seems to be nothing more than an arena for people to impose their will on others - to the detriment of all. Having made a few edits in the past few days - I have been told that my edits are "...too detailed and not helpful..." and that "...Wikipedia doesn't care what random forum members may or may not want to know...". The result of these comments - the total deletion of my edits. This highlights to me that, we have administrators who are governing what we read, and deciding (without consultation) what can be posted with unfettered discretionary powers and no proper guidance. The most concerning point is that these administrators do not seem to be answerable to anyone. The continuation of this arbitrary and unaccountable behaviour is dangerous - and serves only to undermine wikipedia and diminish its objectivity. An administrator should not have sole control over what is maintained on wikipedia - we all have different views on importance and relevance. Perhaps what is needed is a system which requires two administrators to agree before edits are simply deleted from the pages of history, never to be read, considered or challenged in a proper forum. To quote a great poet and source of wisdom from our time - "I mean, if you're the police, who will police the police?" Until that question is properly answered - I see no point contributing further, nor using this site as a reference point (NRoss427 (talk) 22:48, 26 September 2019 (UTC)) @NRoss427: Welcome to Wikipedia, and sorry that you are not having a good experience so far. The rules for what may be added to an article is not arbitrary. All Wikipedia policies and guidelines are built on the consensus of volunteer editors, except for a few things like copyright and WP:BLP which are due to legal requirements. Remember that this is an encyclopedia, and that anything you add to an article must be backed by citations to reliable sources. If you are willing to try again, I suggest you start with the interactive learning game at WP:ADVENTURE, which may help you become more familiar with how to make improvements to the articles. RudolfRed (talk) 23:30, 26 September 2019 (UTC) NRoss427, To answer the question in the title of this section, there are several forums on Wikipedia for hashing out disagreements with other users. First, start a discussion on the talk page of the relevant article. If you fail to come to a consensus there, there are further remedies such as requests for comment, dispute resolution, and more. Administrator's don't have special privileges when it comes to decisions about article content, they just have access to restricted tools (such as article deletion, article protection, and applying blocks) to enforce the community's consensus; you are allowed to disagree with administrators and to argue against them. Be sure to follow the bold, revert, discuss process for making changes and engaging in discussion with other editors on Wikipedia. If you have a truly intractable problem with another editor's behavior, there's the administrator's noticeboard, but be advised that starting a discussion there should only be done as a last resort, and will invite scrutiny toward your own edits and behavior. signed, Rosguill talk 23:42, 26 September 2019 (UTC) I do not wish to address editors behavior, much of that is personality conflict. What needs to be addressed is the Concept of consensus. I have noticed talk page discussions, ANI discussions etc that lead to "consensus", this is a carry over from the academic community. WP is pregant, yes I said pregnant, with contentions articles from politics, to religion, to "morality", to ethnics and ethics, even sports and favorite movies can be a site of battlegrounds with POV pushers cleverly disguising their POV by trying to (successfully) appear neutral, when in fact they are anything but. In fact neutrality is almost impossible to find, except in folk like me who are totally disinterested in subjecdts like golf, soccer, swimming competitions and even Olympic sports, and totally disinterested in fandom. Where consensus falls apart is in the highly contentious area of politics, religion, "morality", sexuality, free speech, abortion, gun control,etc. Some subjects attract, like flies, the participation of persons who have a deep personal, emotional or ideological, religious stake in the subject, and use the Support-Oppose argument with practiced aplomb to attempt to force a decision, based on consensus. In other words WP consensus is not consensus, when weighted by forces pro or con. and some subjects attract partisans like honey or feces on a piece of bread. I can imagine Alfred Wegner trying to obtain consensus over his theory of continental drift, but he was ballyhooed and ridiculed and would have been so on WP with claims of [[WP:OR} or WP:Soapbox. As we know now he has been vindicated however, in apparent embarrassment by a community that ridiculed him, his theory has been renamed Plate Tectonics, not Continental Drift. My purpose here is to bring to light the problem of consensus, something virtually all newby's encounter. There is probably another, more obscure, board, of which new editors are unawares, where I will most certainly be told to take it as it is deemed not appropriate here on the Teahouse. Yet it is.Oldperson (talk) 03:18, 27 September 2019 (UTC) Somebody please look at my "talk page" and my edits on "Mercedes Benz CLK" and see what I am dealing with! This is not how WP was designed. An administrator troll vetting and censoring my every edit because he thinks it is not relevant. Graham87 is not the voice WP, and is not the voice of the readers of WP - how is it possible that he alone dictates what is important and what is not. what is relevant and what is not. I was asked to have a second try at editing and i did, and i suffered the same result - deletion because a Graham87 didn't like my edit and saw fit to remove it for the fourth time. Citing (while deleting a two sentence edit - "...still too much detail, it's a car that got crashed in a race driven by somebody who doesn't even specialise in car-racing...". Fine this chap likes kittens and not cars - let others post! What is the point... UNSUBSCRIBED!!!!! (NRoss427 (talk) 11:34, 27 September 2019 (UTC)) As you were told earlier, the place to discuss Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class is not here but Talk:Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:43, 27 September 2019 (UTC) Sure...whats the point! An administrator deletes an edit that is too long - fine. I reduced it - but it was deleted again. Fine - I reduced 365 words into two sentences - but it was deleted again due to relevance and being too long (two sentences?!?!?) The reason "...still too much detail, it's a car that got crashed in a race driven by somebody who doesn't even specialise in car-racing...". Just because someone from Perth, Australia, thinks that a race car from Tasmania is not important, does not make it so. Others are interested Graham87, that is why I made the edit. FFS someone do something - this system is broken! — Preceding unsigned comment added by NRoss427 (talk • contribs) 12:04, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

The system is to discuss on the article's talk page. You have made no attempt to do so. I'm collapsing the pointless discussion. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:55, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm not very interested in editing articles about places and people

Hi all! I've been contributing to Wikipedia a bit in my spare time. Since I'm pretty new, I've mostly been making small changes to random articles that I find with Special:Random. Unfortunately, most articles seem to be about people or places - and I'm not much of a historian/geographer.

Is there a way I could get random articles about other subjects instead? --Spaghetti Noire (talk) 10:26, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

"Write what you know" is (sometimes debated) advice given to writers. I suggest you edit what you know. If you have knowledge due to your work or hobby, working on articles in those areas may be more interesting. David notMD (talk) 11:18, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

I don't know of a specific way to randomly choose articles while excluding certain subject areas. 331dot (talk) 11:26, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

WikiProjects cover articles that fall under their subject. If you join a WikiProject, the you can view articles under that subject. Thanks, Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 13:25, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

@Spaghetti Noire: Actually, there is a way to do this. There are instructions at User:SuggestBot which allow you to select categories of topics you are interested in, and an algorith regularly send updated suggestions to your talk page with titles of relevant articles you might like to work on. You can then tweak those categories to broaden or narrow the suggestions you receive. A second way is for you to tell us what you are interested in. We might then be able to point you towards one of our innumerable 'wiki projects', many of which have a 'quality' table showing importance in one of three columns and article quality type in rows. Click the hyperlink for the number of 'stub' articles to reveal a list of all those articles in that quality/importance scale. Just randomly click any title to feed your wiki-lust! Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:45, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

@Spaghetti Noire: This is probably not as useful as the suggestions above due to the way the category system works, but for what it's worth, you can also find random articles by category. Graham87 14:00, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Spaghetti Noire, we also might be able to make specific suggestions on how to find articles you'd be interested in if you tell us what kinds of subjects would interest you. Also, once you start finding those articles, you can often find wikilinks to other articles on related subjects. Keep the articles that do interest you on your watchlist, too, and remove those that you've edited but aren't really interested in. That shows you when an article you're interested in has been recently edited so you can go see what changes have been made. --valereee (talk) 14:28, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

The Bidens by withholding foreign aid led

To the editor of the report below. Nowhere is proof or was ever said that the below is true. President Trump never withheld or mentioned to withold aid. This was also outlined by the Ukraine government. Please stop spreading these lies.

Trump's alleged attempt to pressure the Ukrainian government to investigate the Bidens by withholding foreign aid led to the start of an impeachment inquiry against Trump in September 2019. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.22.221.75 (talk) 15:07, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

You seem to be making a comment more appropriate for the article talk page. Wikipedia summarizes what appears in independent reliable sources, and that is what the sources seem to be saying. Please discuss any concerns you have on the article talk page, but the article will not be changed to say something that independent sources are not saying. Also understand that Wikipedia does not claim to be free of bias, but we provide the sources so that you and readers can decide for themselves. 331dot (talk) 15:24, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Demonstrating Notability for a Nickelodeon TV Movie

Hi Teahouse, Thanks to Liance for the feedback on the Bixler High Private Eye TV Movie post. I'm looking for ways to demonstrate notability for the film - I had assumed it would be notable simply for being released on a major TV network (Nickelodeon) and having multiple notable stars (Norman, Martin, Begley Jr.) but am happy to dig deeper. Here's a few sources I could add to the page: 1) Interview with Jace Norman (star and executive producer) with BUILDSeries.com, discussing the film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4I7B0cyLwY 2) Interview with Baby Ariel (Ariel Martin) for E! News show Latinx Now! Show discussing the film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elPEQQSoQgg 3) Interview with Jace Norman for HollywoodLife.com discussing the film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24CMggyw7NI This all seems like legitimate unbiased press for the film, outside of Nick's promotional materials. 3) Also, Amazon Prime has a rating for the film of 4.5 stars- but perhaps this is no more notable than a product review? haha. Let me know if I'm on the right track here. many thanks, HG — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harrygold19 (talk • contribs) 16:10, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, Harrygold19: Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything said by people closely connected with the subject, whether in their own publications, or in interviews or press releases. An article should be based almost entirely on what people unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject, and not just repeating or quoting what the principals have said. If there is little or nothing that meets that description, then it is impossible to write an acceptable articel about it. --ColinFine (talk) 17:12, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi ColinFine Thanks for your reply. Just to clarify, Buildseries.com, E!News and HollywoodLife.com are all independent entertainment news outlets that covered the film. So while the interviews are of cast members and people associated with the film, they are by people and entities who are not. It seems that the former should not negate the later: yes, Jace Norman is talking about it but so is Matt Forte of Buildseries.com. If the film is not noteworthy, why are these independent outlets interviewing the stars of the film to discuss it? update: Here's an article about the film from TheWrap.com, written by Ashley Boucher. https://www.thewrap.com/nickelodeon-bixler-high-private-eye-tv-movie/ And this article from the Hollywood Reporter mentions the film: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/harvey-danger-star-jace-norman-kids-choice-awards-substitute-1196679 Also this article from Newsday, which seems to offer a critical take on the film as well: https://www.newsday.com/lifestyle/family/kidsday/nickelodeon-jace-norman-kidsday-1.26094611 Would these sources fly? many thanks! -HG

Editing a Wikipedia Table

Hi Folks,

I came across this wiki page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_model#Economics and within the table, a company called 'Sauce Labs' is described as the leading company for Selenium (an open-source project). That being said, the citation used - https://www.battery.com/powered/boss-index-tracking-explosive-growth-open-source-software/ clearly mentions BrowserStack and Sauce Labs. Could you guide me to the best way of incorporating 'BrowserStack' into the table? I am a novice and want to be cautious as there is also a conflict of interest (I work for BrowserStack).

Thank you in advance for removing the time to reply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SManiar (talk • contribs) 08:22, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

WP:PinkLock

Hey, so it might just be me being new but can someone explain WP:Pinklock? i'm not finding the page on wp:protect helpful :/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stainless Steel Stalinism (talk • contribs) 08:23, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Which part of the section at WP:PINKLOCK don't you understand? --David Biddulph (talk) 09:00, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

​Template protection is used for templates that are used on a large number of pages, as templates both employ rather complex wikicode, and are present on many pages, meaning it is both easy to break the templates, and that breaking the templates can cause a lot of damage. (additionally, as they are used on a lot of pages, the process for gaining consensus is more comprehensive) ~~ OxonAlex - talk 12:21, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Ahhhh, that explains a lot, thanks Stainless Steel Stalinism (talk) 17:19, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Plectranthus esculentus

I have just completed my first ever edition on a plant. I added Zulu names for the plant. It seems another editor has blanked out my edition, with the comment that: the edition is not constructive and a further comment to seek help.

I have no idea what would constitute a constructive edition in this particular instance.

Thank you Mofotox — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mafotox (talk • contribs) 17:04, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Mafotox, and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a collaborative project, and editors often disagree about what is appropriate. This doesn't mean that they are right, (or that you are right): it just means that the two of you disagree. When that happens, the thing to do is to engage with the editor who reverted you, and try to reach consensus: usually on the talk page Talk:Plectranthus esculentus. Make sure you Ping the other editor, so that they know you have opened a discussion. See BRD for how this is supposed to work. --ColinFine (talk) 17:16, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Mafotox I'll expand on ColinFine's excellent advice by adding that there were several issues with the info you added. The info was put in the lede, without any indication of why it was important enough to be there. The info was poorly formatted, and the sourcing wasn't included. I took a look at the article, and besides the fact that the plant is native to Africa, I don't see why the Zulu words for this plant would be important to a reader's understanding. Don't be discouraged though - there's a lot of info that is missing - you can always engage on the talk page to get advice before editing. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:35, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

@Mafotox: The post calling it unconstructive was reverted by the same editor a minute later.[1] This usually indicates the post was made by mistake and should be ignored. Many editors use tools where they can select a standard message with a single click. Maybe they misclicked. But note that you are at https://en.wikipedia.org where "en" means the English Wikipedia. Names in foreign languages should usually not be included here unless it's the official name in the language of a subject, e.g. a city or organization. There are Wikipedia editions in hundreds of other languages including Zulu at https://zu.wikipedia.org. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:46, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

A Study in Afrikaans about Opera Librettos

Good evening I don't want so much to edit as publish. I am busy with a study about intertextuality and intermediality as illustrated in a few world-famous operas. It is still a work in progress. At the moment it is written in Afrikaans, but I am willing to submit it both in Afrikaans and English once it is finished. What is my next step?

Sincerely Dr Anna-Marie le Roux, Windhoek — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anna-Marie le Roux (talk • contribs) 19:26, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place to publish your research. See WP:OR and WP:NOT. RudolfRed (talk) 19:33, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

electric cars

Battery trays for electric cars are the future of electric cars. That is assuming that governments of the world can co ordinate the manufacturing process. Battery trays, of various sizes would be available at " service stations." Cars would have tray "slots" where a new , fully-charged battery could be inserted in a matter of a few minutes. The car owner would never own a tray. A simple and effective way to eliminate most current issues with electric cars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.129.234.227 (talk) 19:59, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm sure this is a great idea, but the Teahouse is for questions about editing Wikipedia, and Wikipedia isn't the right place for publishing your ideas. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 20:20, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Question about content

Hi there, long time reader first time editor, I have a question about content. Sometimes I will come across an article that is relatively short (say 5-7 paragraphs) but overwhelmed by a LOT of very specific details about a particular event that is only a small piece of the article. For example let's say I had a 5 paragraph article on myself, and 1 full paragraph was devoted to some relatively unimportant things I did in summer of 2013. It's all correct and accurate, but it doesn't make sense to have that much focus. What is wikipedia's policy on balanced weighting of content in articles? 2001:4898:80E8:B:4E7D:5F96:FCD8:FC94 (talk) 19:48, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

The relevant policy is WP:BALANCED and WP:BALASP. Ruslik_Zero 19:51, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Many Wikipedia articles have undue emphasis on certain aspects of a subject, generally because the editor has only managed to find sources which emphasize a subset of the topic, or because an editor has expounded on their preferred aspect of a subject. This reduces the usefulness of the article. Feel free to make edits which achieve a more balanced coverage of an article's subject, either through additions or removals of material.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:37, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Permission error when trying to upload company logo

Hi,

Am trying to upload a company logo in preparation for a new article. But I get an error message when trying to do so.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_company, I follow the link in "Upload a wordmark/logo graphic using the organization logo upload form."

Which consistently gives the following error:

Permission error

You do not have permission to upload this file, for the following reason:

The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Autoconfirmed users, Administrators, Confirmed users.

Any ideas?

Vapor57 (talk) 22:01, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

• @Vapor57: - as the error message indicates, you don't presently have the required permissions to upload a logo to Wikipedia, as you are not autoconfirmed. The criteria for autoconfirmation are that you have an account which is at least four days old, and have made at least 10 edits. As such, your account, with the prerequisite number of edits under your belt, will become auto-confirmed once your account is more than four days old. You will be notified when this occurs, and at this point you can upload the logo, provided it follows fair use. Stormy clouds (talk) 22:30, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

• • Vapor57, you cannot upload a fair use image without a target article in the encyclopedia. So at this point, you've got the cart ahead of the horse. Without fair use, it's likely inadvisable to upload a copyrighted logo. To do it in another way, it would have to be licensed in a manner that would remove the copyright owner's control of it. John from Idegon (talk) 22:38, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks both, that answers my question. Vapor57 (talk) 23:33, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Finding my place

I recently completed the Wikipedia Adventure,I really enjoyed it I was wondering. What are some other ways someone can contribute to Wikipedia, besides just editing articles?SkyRobin (talk) 23:59, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi SkyRobin. You might find some suggestions in Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia, but in general anything you do that helps contribute to building Wikipedia will be appreciated. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:02, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you User:Marchjuly for showing me this! I will look over thisSkyRobin (talk) 00:48, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi SkyRobin. You might want to check out Wikipedia:Maintenance where help are always needed. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk)

How do you make a reference?

I noticed that there are a lot of references and I’m very curious on how you make a reference — Preceding unsigned comment added by Japan Airlines Flight 123 (talk • contribs) 22:33, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Japan Airlines Flight 123. Welcome to the Teahouse. See WP:Referencing for beginners. If you have questions about that, feel free to ask. John from Idegon (talk) 22:44, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Days ago, on your own Talk page, you were advised to stop using this User name. Please comply. David notMD (talk) 02:07, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

New page

How do I upload a page from my sandbox to live on Wikipedia?

Extended content

Col Bishop (photographer} Colin Francis Bishop is a Brisbane based Australian photographer originally from the UK, born 8th July 1962. Early Years He was born in the UK and grew up in various locations as his father was a Royal Navy Officer, this includes overseas postings. He arrived in Australia in January 1977 after his father transferred to the Royal Australian Navy. The family lived in Nowra, New South Wales. Career He joined the Australian Army in 1982 and after initial training was allocated to the Infantry. At the completion of his training he was posted to the 3rd Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment which was converting to a Parachute Infantry Battalion. He did various parachute courses eventually becoming a Parachute Jump Instructor, resulting in a posting to the Parachute Training School. He was medically discharged due to injuries in 2008 and has since completed many surgeries mostly on his back. Photographer After leaving the Army, he took up photography again after a 20 year gap. His main interests are landscape, wildlife and architectural photography; however, he also conduct portrait and wedding photography. He has been invited to display his work in New York in the past. External Links

Charlie Bravo Photography http://farm6.clik.com/CBP/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Col Bishop (talk • contribs) 23:34, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Col Bishop. You already asked about this above at Wikipedia:Teahouse#New page, and an answer was given. Please refer to that thread for reference. In general, you don't need to start a new thread each time you post about the same thing at the Teahouse; most of the time, your initial post will have been responded to by time you decide to post again, but, even if it hasn't, it's OK to add another question to the original post if you want further clarification. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:44, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:34, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Hid the draft of the article, which does not belong in Teahouse. David notMD (talk) 02:16, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

How can I create a new page?

Wondering how I can submit a page for review by more qualified editors. Is it the Sandbox? ContentWizard (talk) 10:16, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

ContentWizard, welcome to the Teahouse! Userspace is a good way. See Help:Userspace draft, Wikipedia:So you made a userspace draft and Help:Your first article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:03, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Common advice to new editors (often ignored) is to gain experience by editing existing articles before attempting to create a new article. When a draft is submitted via Articles for Creation it goes to a review by editors with new article review experience. Submissions that are declined (with comments on why) can be revised and resubmitted, but sometimes the comment is that the topic does appear to meet Wikipedia's concept of encyclopedic notability, and no amount of revision will make it so. My advice is to look for articles similar in topic to what you want to create in order to learn what is needed as per content and referencing. David notMD (talk) 12:37, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

I understand. Thank you.ContentWizard (talk) 14:12, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Contacting an Editor

Hello new user here. I found an article of interest to me and want to explore it further. Is there any way to directly contact an editor so that I may learn more? Thanks in advanceThomasMüllerUglyAF (talk) 02:29, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@ThomasMüllerUglyAF: You can contact anyone via their talk page. LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 02:34, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, ThomasMüllerUglyAF. Your question is unclear. Do you want to know more about editing Wikipedia? There are some very helpful links posted on your Talk page. If you need further help with Wikipedia, just ask again here at the Teahouse or at the Help desk.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:41, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@Quisqualis: For your clarification, I think he/she is asking about how to reach out to another editor for information about a topic. LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 03:13, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

If I understand you correctly, you want to talk to whoever wrote the article. This is usually several people, and they may be inactive. At the top of the article, (on a laptop or in desktop view) click "View history". Here you see the editors involved. Click "talk" for the one you want to talk to, then "New section" on their talkpage and start writing. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:23, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@ThomasMüllerUglyAF: looking towards the bottom of an article is also a good idea. There you will find all the references used to create that page. Following these is really the best way to find out more about any given topic. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:33, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

बुवाजी बुवा महाराज संस्थान, रोशनपुरी

रोशनपुरी हे बीड जिल्ह्यात माजलगाव तालुक्यातील सिंधफना नदीतीरावर वासलेलं एक तिर्थक्षेत्र आहे.

येथे श्रीसंत बुवाजीबुवा महाराज यांची समाधी असून पंचक्रोशीतील भाविकांचे श्रद्धास्थान आहे. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sukhdev Tekale (talk • contribs) 15:22, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

To whom it may concern - Goggle translation

Buajaji Buva Maharaj Institute, Roshanpuri

Roshanpuri is a pilgrimage situated on the river Sindfana in Majalgaon taluka in Beed district.

Here is the mausoleum of Sreesanth Bujajibuwa Maharaj and a tribute to the devotees of Panchkroshi.

Sukhdev Tekale Hello, This is English Wikipedia and we use English as the main language for communication. For Marathi Wikipedia, please go to Here. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 15:38, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

How to Change Page Title?

Hello, How to change page title cause I seems one page title is wrong I.e. middle name is invalid. How to correct same? Can you help me same...

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ppch83 (talk • contribs) 16:12, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@Ppch83: To change the title, there is a drop down next to the button that says Edit source. Click it, then you will see a button that says Move. Type in the new title of the page, then press Move Page. If you are unable to do that, you can request that someone else move it at WP:RMTR. Interstellarity (talk) 16:30, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

How does one obtain control over an article/Pending review of an edit

I just encountered something that I never encountered before. An edit that is pending review. How does one obtain control over an article to the extent that they have authority to review and approve edits.I asked the question on the articles talk page, but ask it here as well.Oldperson (talk) 21:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

• As for your first query, one does not. Wikipedia is a communal project, built on the principle that anyone can edit and ameliorate it, and as such, you cannot assert ownership or control over an article, even one you have written. The reason you have an edit which appears to be pending review is because the article you are trying to edit, Assault rifle, is subject to pending changes protection. As you are an extended-confirmed user, you can edit such pages without requiring review acceptance, but edits can be held up occasionally by a backlog of pending changes which required review, but your edit is visible, and in most cases, as you will see from the edit history of the article in question, is automatically accepted. In order to have the right to review pending changes, you need to be a pending changes reviewer, a right afforded automatically to administrators, or which can be requested here, provided you have a suitable rationale. Hope this helps, Stormy clouds (talk) 22:22, 27 September 2019 (UTC).
  • Oldperson, articles that have had long term vandalism, especially of the BLP-violating variety, sometimes are put on pending-changes protection. In no way does this give "one person" control of the article. What would make you think that? There is an advanced permission called "Pending change reviewer", which has a minimum requirement to apply (6 months/500 mainspace edits), and review of your edits will be done prior to granting it. Someone who holds that permission (there are many) must review the edit prior to its publication. This is to protect the encyclopedia from libel claims. John from Idegon (talk) 22:30, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

@Stormy Clouds and John from Idegon:Thanks to both for educating me. For John you asked why would I think that one person has control over the article, but the link to pending changes reviewer is just that. One person, the reviewer, has control over what edits are published. Is it not so? Other than that I do see the need to protect important articles from vandalism and WP from law suits.Oldperson (talk) 22:39, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

The pending changes reviewer doesn't have control over the article per se; they only determine whether the edits they review are in accordance with relevant policies and guidelines. Editors tend to get granted pending changes reviewer rights only when they are deemed to have a pretty good grasp of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines and have shown they know how to apply them through their own editing. This doesn't mean that they never make mistakes, and if they do the "mistake" can be discussed on the article's talk page. So, if one of your pending edits is not approved, then the first thing to do is probably try and understand why; assume that it might actually be possible that there was something about the edit which was amiss. Check to see if an edit summary was given explaining why; most pending changes reviewers will leave an edit summary when an edit is declined. So, if you do that bit of self-assessment and you still don't understand why the edit wasn't accepted, you can ask for clarification on the article's talk page. You could post something on the reviewer's talk page, but it's better to discuss such things on the article's talk page because it makes it easier for others interested in the subject to know about the discussion and participate in it; you can then either ping or otherwise advise the reviewer of the discussion. You are now in the process of Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and things will be resolve through consensus. If the consensus turns out to be that the edit was OK, it will be made; if not, it won't. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:58, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

@Oldperson: There is not just "one person". There are many editors with PCR rights. Any of them can review pending changes on any such protected article. Any of them can review and revert changes that have been accepted by others, as well as make contributions of their own. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 17:02, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Afrikaans Wikipedia

How do I join the Afrikaans version of Wikipedia. I also want to publish there. Anna-Marie le Roux — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anna-Marie le Roux (talk • contribs) 17:37, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Anna-Marie le Roux and welcome to the Teahouse! Here is the link to the Wikipedia you're looking for: https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuisblad. You don't have to do anything else to join, as you can use the same account for each language version of Wikipedia. Clovermoss (talk) 17:44, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Change title

Hi, How to request someone else from any edit? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ppch83 (talk • contribs) 12:44, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Ppch83 and welcome to the Teahouse! I'm kind of confused about what exactly your question is, can you provide some clarification on what you're looking for or need help with? Clovermoss (talk) 17:52, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Do the 320/4s really have a maximum speed of 100mph?

Someone reverted my edit of British Rail Class 320, I think it was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Northernrailwaysfan (talk • contribs) 17:53, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

• @Northernrailwaysfan: - the Teahouse is not the appropriate venue for such discussions, disputes such as the one you are engaged in are better addressed at the relevant article talk page. However, the reason why your edits have been reverted are because they lack citations from reliable sources. You cannot simply add material to a Wikipedia article - see WP:OR. More pressingly, you have added this same material thrice, and have had it reverted on each occasion, which indicates that you are engaged in an edit war. If you have a reference as to the speed of the train, please supply it on the talk page, and allow someone else to implement it, otherwise I would urge that you drop the stick. You are already, as far as I can see, at the verge of violating the three-revert rule, and continuing to add unsourced material as you have been doing will likely result in a ban. Your edits are appreciated, and it is clear from your name that you are a rail enthusiast, but you simply cannot add or alter material in articles without suitable citations. Hope this helps, Stormy clouds (talk) 18:19, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Album style question

Hello. I have a question about the style/formatting for albums, particularly stubs. I've read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Album_article_style_advice#Musical_style,_writing,_composition, but the answer didn't jump out. When noting that all songs were written by person X, except where indicated, should that sentence end in a period? Here's an example: A Man Alone (album). No period after All songs written by Rod McKuen

Another: Odetta in Japan. No period after All tracks arranged by Odetta; except where indicated

I've also seen similar sentences in other stubs that DO end with periods (maybe a majority?)...so perhaps it's a preference? Seems like there should be a period in these cases, but I'm unsure if this was decided long ago.

Just wondering! Sorry for worrying about such a minor thing. Thank you very much for your help. Caro7200 (talk) 18:05, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Caro7200. Those notes are not complete sentences, and only complete sentences should end with a period. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:22, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I see. I guess that brings up the larger philosophical Wikipedia question: if an editor sees the opposite occurring (using a period), should it be edited? When the "error" may occur across hundreds of articles/stubs? Example: Alice's Restaurant (album). Thank you! Caro7200 (talk) 18:53, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@Caro7200: Thanks for pointing this out. Alice's Restaurant (album) and many other articles transclude the template {{Tracklist}}, which invokes Module:Track listing, which creates those notes. I'll raise the issue of re-writing those as sentences or footnotes at Module talk:Track listing. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 19:18, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I appreciate it. Caro7200 (talk) 19:34, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

How to Change Page Title

Hello,

I need small help I.e. I looking change the minor edit of page title, but earlier discussion I have not show “Move” option can please someone help me on change the person middle name. Link are below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudhakar_Bhalerao_Shrungare

Politician middle name is wrong, We help on “Tukaram” instead of “Bhalerao” — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ppch83 (talk • contribs) 17:40, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

• @Ppch83: - as you have not yet been an editor on Wikipedia for four days, you are not an autoconfirmed user, and as such you cannot presently move a page. If you wish to move the page Sudhakar Bhalerao Shrungare, you can request such a move here, though you will need to provide a valid rationale. Given that your grievance is regarding the subject's name, you will need to supply some sort of reliable reference to attest to the fact that his middle name is "Tukaram", as a cursory check on a search engine doesn't bear this out, with most media coverage using the present title of the article to refer to the politician. Hope this helps, Stormy clouds (talk) 18:25, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

I will go further, Ppch83. There has already been some edit warring in the article on the politician's name. Your duty now is to begin a discussion on the subject with the other editors who disagree, according to BRD. If you were to move the article without having reached consensus to do so, that would be disruptive editing, irrespective of whether you are right or wrong about the facts. --ColinFine (talk) 19:40, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

First article, and then?

Hello,

I just posted my first article, about a person called Kornelia Imesch Oechslin:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Shopping25&action=edit

I don't know if I wikified/edited it correctly. Could anyone check it for me please, and publish it ?

Many thanks, S — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shopping25 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello Shopping25. The draft article at User:Shopping25/sandbox is unlikely to be accepted as an article once you submit it. This is because it does not adequately demonstrate the subject's notability. Wikipedia is not a place to promote a subject, but rather an encyclopedia with notability standards for article inclusion. Please do not confuse Wikipedia with a directory or social media. Some important links have been posted to your User talk page. You will want to familiarize yourself with their contents.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:47, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

How to rate the importance scale of an article?

Hello,

I'm a member of Wikiproject Apps.

I would like to know:

1- How to rate the scale of importance of an article (e.g. Talk:tvOS).

2- How to change the scale of importance of an article (e.g.Talk:Microsoft Windows).

Best regards, Coel Jo (talk) 19:55, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@Coel Jo: That would be Wikipedia:WikiProject Apps#Importance scale and discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Apps. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 20:50, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Subpage deletion

Is there a way I can delete a subpage of mine? Melofors (talk) 01:15, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@Melofors: You can request deletion of your subpage by tagging it with {{db-g7}}. --LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 01:36, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@LPS and MLP Fan: Thank you. Melofors (talk) 01:39, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

idk random thoughts

what is oof? — Preceding unsigned comment added by UhZeletics (talk • contribs) 22:42, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, UhZeletics. The Teahouse is a place to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. I can help you if you have a question. LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 23:25, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Urban dictionary defines it as slang for a mess, as a person being oofed up. Is there another definition you had in mind? David notMD (talk) 01:40, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

About editors on Wikipedia

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The original poster has been blocked for violating Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry and will be unable to respond to any further posts here. If anyone has any concerns about the content of Saini, they should discuss them at Talk:Saini. If anyone has any concerns about the original poster being blocked, they should discuss them with Bbb23 who is the Wikipedia administrator blocked the account. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:07, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

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After my several afforts no one here to listen my voice why you publicly publish wrong information one of your senior editor name sitush without reading my reliable sources to improve article they immediately removed the request even other editors have corrected my article again sitush editor have convinced them revert change to my article totally false information is spreading in whole world this will lower down our morale please help Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordann Singh (talk • contribs) 22:44, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@Jordann Singh: I am sorry that you are in a dispute with others and you are having a hard time. Who are the others? You can leave a message on their talk pages but be patient when waiting for a response. You can also try dispute resolution LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 23:22, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Indef blocked as sockpuppet David notMD (talk) 01:47, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Why did my edit get undone?

Hello. I was working on editing the article "Women and HIV/AIDS". I noticed that this article was an orphan article, so I linked two other articles to it and removed the template. But my edit was reverted immediately, and I don't know why. Did I do anything wrong? It would be nice to know.

KaylaOrloff (talk) 03:36, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Looking at the edit history, I see we would have to ask Apap04 why they reverted your edit. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:54, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

I guess I edit a bit too quickly, sorry! –apap04 ^{talk | contributions} 03:58, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@KaylaOrloff: Your edit is back, don't worry. :) Thank you for pinging me here Ian.thomson. –apap04 ^{talk | contributions} 04:03, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

How to use a certain template from the "Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents" page

I am considering reporting a certain user for persistent disruptive editing on the "Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents" page. On that page it says to notify a user on their talk page when you start a discussion about them, and it gives a template, but I do not know how to use this template or what it is for (or where to put it — and do I just copy/paste it on their talk page, or copy/paste something inside of it...?). Here is the link to the page with the template I am referring to: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&action=edit&section=new Any help is appreciated, thank you. Skllagyook (talk) 05:09, 29 September 2019 (UTC)Skllagyook (talk) 05:06, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Skllagyook. All you needed to do is copy the snippet of wikicode that is in the small white box in the larger golden box. Then, paste that wikicode into a new section on the reported editor's user talk page. No additional editing needed. Just save it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:55, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@Cullen328:Thank you very much. Skllagyook (talk) 06:18, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Time Approval of Article

Dear Expert,

I am an independent individual content writer and recently started contributing to Wikipedia.

I have published an article on the title "Artha Venture Fund" (first version published about 10 days before), A reviewer has declined my article due to error in the reference citation and some other reasons. Taken the suggestions of the reviewer on priority and with high respect and improved the article accordingly and submitted 8 days before.

It's been now 8 days and no comment received from the reviewer.

Could you please let me know the status of my article as well as when it will be approved.

Thanks Maverick — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maverickwroks (talk • contribs) 13:39, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Maverickwroks Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The reviewer will not necessarily comment again unless you ask them to directly. If you feel that you have addressed the issue, you can resubmit the draft for another review. This will likely take several weeks if not months as there are thousands of drafts awaiting review.

If you are being paid to write the draft, you are required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use to comply with the paid editing policy and declare that; this is mandatory if you are compensated in any way. You may also need to review Conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 13:51, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Courtesy - It is currently an unpublished draft: Draft:Artha Venture Fund. It was declined. Reasons in the grey box and the Comment underneath. To resubmit requires clicking on the Submit button, but in my opinion the draft will be declined again. As written and referenced, the draft does not meet Wikipedia's definition of notability. Of high importance, you must declare your relationship to Artha on your Talk page - paid, conflict on interest, or no connection other than this being a topic you decided to write about on your own with not connection whatsoever to Artha. David notMD (talk) 15:24, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Add poornachandran wikipedia

AMAVASI BECOMES POORNACHANDRAN

[copyright violations removed] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poornachandran Saigramam (talk • contribs) 16:37, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poornachandran Saigramam (talk • contribs) 16:38, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@Poornachandran Saigramam: I don't know what you want to ask at the Teahouse. I can help you if you give me enough information. --LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 16:46, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@Poornachandran Saigramam: This isn't the place to post an article draft. If you'd like to create an article, follow the guidance at WP:YFA and you can create a draft article for review. RudolfRed (talk) 17:20, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Rough workspace

Is there any rough work-space in Wikipedia where i can work on developing an existing article ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward Rookie (talk • contribs) 18:10, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@Edward Rookie: You can directly edit an article by clicking the "edit" tab on desktop or the pencil icon on mobile. If you want to experiment with developing content you want to add to the article, try using your sandbox. --LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 18:14, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick replay and yeah that box is the one I've been looking for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward Rookie (talk • contribs) 18:18, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

General Inquiry

Hi Team

This is Emma and I wanted to ask that, I want to submit an educational information about my website in wikipedia.org but what is the process? Because once I tried to submit but I got banded. Can anyone show me the correct way how to do it.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronikal (talk • contribs) 06:36, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles in Wikipedia need to meet our notability guidelines, meaning they must be covered well by reliable sources for verification. For help on writing an article please see this guide. I hope that helps, if you have anymore questions, please return. Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 06:46, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ronikal and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no correct way to advertise your website on Wikipedia because that is not what Wikipedia is for. As an encyclopaedia, Wikipedia has articles on subjects that have already been written about in WP:Reliable sources. If your website has already been written about in newspapers and educational publications, then perhaps someone will write an article about it for Wikipedia, but this should not be you because you have a WP:Conflict of interest. Sorry to disappoint you, but you will have more success if you use social media to advertise your website. Dbfirs 06:48, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ronikal. I'm not sure what you mean by but I got banded. Being banned from Wikipedia generally requires causing some pretty serious problems; so, perhaps you mean you got blocked instead. There's no record, however, your account (i.e. the Ronikal account) ever being blocked; so, perhaps you're referring to another account. If that's the case, then you really shouldn't be creating new accounts to try and edit because that's almost certainly just going to lead to those accounts being blocked as a violation of Wikipedia:Sock puppetry. What you should do is request that your original account, i.e. the one you used to try and create the article about your website, be first unblocked, and only then worry about trying to create an article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:40, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

What sort of Steps are necessary to create a Unique articles for website

Hi am a new blogger i have a passion to become a expert in blogging but i also need some suggestion that how i create a unique content to make it professional . i am a admin of website [Globe news ] and i have write alot of content but i got no traffic in my website so thats why am eager to know about necessary steps to make a unique content — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farazswati (talk • contribs) 22:27, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Farazswati Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place to ask questions about using Wikipedia. We cannot help you with driving traffic to your blog or website. Do you have a question about using Wikipedia? 331dot (talk) 22:36, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the last thing Wikipedia wants is "unique content". Articles in Wikipedia are based on secondary and tertiary sources which are considered reliable by Wikipedia's definition.--Quisqualis (talk) 04:25, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

You are clearly not here to make an encyclopedia. Your edits inserting spam links to your website have been reverted. Please heed the warnings on your Talk page.--Quisqualis (talk) 07:49, 30 September 2019 (UTC)