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Translated source lists

I am translating from the French wikipedia here, and I am not sure how I should translate the reference list. Most of the references look like they're from French language reference books that I doubt would have English equivalents. Any advice? NightS H I F T (49) (talk) 19:30, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

@Nightshift49: Its fine if you don't translate most of the sources. Keep the original titles, publishers and the like in French. That way readers can easily go find the sources by searching the french title. Obviously translate dates. AdmiralEek (talk) 19:37, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Nightshift49:. The basis for this is WP:RSUE. Best regard--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:46, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

@Nightshift49: I recently translated perhaps ten articles from fr.wikipedia on French women artists. I would not assume that the French sources or article claims are correct. I stopped using fr.wikipedia as a translation source because I discovered too many factual errors and exaggerations in the French Wikipedia that would not survive on en.wikipedia. When I did use the French text and sources, I would try to use the URL of the source in the cite web template to expand the source. This is preferable to simply translating the parameters of the "lien web/titre/auteur" template to the English version. I'm not sure what you can do about verifying the short refs without a URL that you mentioned above, but I would give it a try if possible, perhaps in Google Books. --- Possibly (talk) 02:39, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@Nightshift49: I suggest you use the |trans-title= parameter when creating references to publish the English translation of the French title. GoingBatty (talk) 03:26, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

An idea based around Simple Wikipedia.

So there is a Simple English Wikipedia. What if they made a Simple Spanish, or a Simple French Wikipedia?

Would it make sense or would it be a waste of time? Just a simple question, is all. xdude (talk) 16:50, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

There will never be another simple Wikipedia because the policy changed since simple wiki was created. Ruslik_Zero 17:32, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ruslik0: Out of curiosity, I went to that page and there's nothing about Simple Wikipedia. I did find this though, which suggests that the groundswell of support for closing the largest Simple Wikipedia discouraged others from starting a foreign language version. You'd think that policy would be clearly spelled out somewhere though. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:15, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

The rules are written a little squishy without hard boundries, in my opinion. It says the language must "ordinarily have" its own ISO 639 code (but not that it MUST) and it also says that "in most cases" it excludes written forms of the same language. Perhaps there is enough wiggle room there to convince someone that a "Simple French" Wikipedia should be approved, but it seems unlikely. RudolfRed (talk) 18:53, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• @Timtempleton and Xdude gamer: meta:Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Simple English Wikipedia (3) is the most recent attempt to shut down Simple English Wikipedia. The way I'd boil it down is that creating the Simple English Wikipedia was an experiment that has clearly failed, but not quite so badly for efforts to shut it down to succeed. Still, there is zero appetite to repeat the failure in another language. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:07, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

  Huh. I didn't really know they had that proposal! I can see that going on though. Simple Wikipedia is a bit dumb and it doesn't have enough articles to make it worthwhile. It has everything there (infoboxes, templates, etc.) and yet most people don't use it. And it doesn't have much of a fan base...

  I guess I learned something :) xdude (talk) 00:48, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

  @Xdude gamer: most people with the competence to write for any Wikipedia have little interest in writing for simple Wikipedia. Readers should be editors but our audience of readers there is inherently different from the audience of editors. Elli (talk | contribs) 08:29, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@Xdude gamer: If there was enough motivation, someone could fork Wikipedia and create their own (not sponsored by WMF) encyclopedia based on a "Simple" version of a language. RudolfRed (talk) 18:54, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

My article

 Hdfhsdgav (talk) 06:07, 24 March 2021 (UTC) why did you canceled my article

If you mean User:Hdfhsdgav/sandbox, that is not a WP-article, it seems to be a story you wrote. Take the time to read WP:YFA. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:04, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Hdfhsdgav, please make a few evidence-based, constructive edits to an existing article or two, and thereby persuade me that your purpose here is to improve the encyclopedia. (NB I do not want any barnstars.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:45, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

How do I add references to an articles and how do I create my own user page?

 N Jeevan (talk) 08:42, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

N Jeevan it looks like you already have a userpage at User:N Jeevan. To add references, see Wikipedia:Citing sources and Help:Footnotes. Elli (talk | contribs) 08:45, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Adding chronological history and material to Surf Etiquette article

 Courtesy link: Draft:Surfing etiquette

Hi Wikipedia editors, I submitted the Surf Etiquette article, and it was denied as a "How to" article. I had reviewed all the writing rules and format.

My question is if I am able to find historical reference (chronological dates of certain rules posted, legal cases, articles and books) will this be adequate to add to the article and be published?

Why do I think this information is necessary. Surfing is seen an explosion of interest, growth and expansion. Yet, there is really no "written" rules outside of magazine or online articles regarding these surf rules-of-the-road. I've seen and experienced more rules broken these last three months than in the last 6 years.

Thank you, Lisa H. Navymom9194 (talk) 03:17, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@Navymom9194: I suggest you reword each sentence with the second-person pronoun "you" or "your" per WP:PRONOUN, and any other sentence that is written as a direct order (Do this, don't do that), and any sentence that starts with "And". I don't understand why the draft states "There are certain unwritten codes of conduct", as you provided pictures and references of various codes of conduct. GoingBatty (talk) 03:45, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Navymom9194. I'm not sure that a draft like the one you're working on will ever be OK for a stand-alone article per WP:NOTGUIDE, but perhaps some of the content might be able to be incorporated into Surfing if rewritten in a more encyclopedic way as suggested above by GoingBatty. This might be something worth discussing at Talk:Surfing. Finally, please take a look at c:User talk:Navymom9194surfer because there are a number of problems with some of the images you've uploaded to Commons to use in the draft. Basically, you've uploaded some photographs of copyrighted works that appear to have been created by others; such photographs are likely WP:Derivative works and Commons cannot keep them unless it can be demonstrated that either (1) the photographed works are no longer eligible or not eligible for copyright protection (i.e. they fall within the public domain) or (2) the consent of the copyright holders of the works has been obtained and verified. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:17, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

• There is a lack of information on surfing etiquette in the Surfing article, and a considerable amount of useful information in the draft. I recommend merging the relevant content into the main article and copyediting it so that it states what surfers do,which is encyclopedic, as opposed to what you, as a surfer, should or should not do, which is a 'how to' guide or advice in Wikipedia's voice. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 10:50, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

How long would you think it takes to make a general Wikipedia page on a person?

Maybe something around this length? Thank you!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Schur Isaacrsmith (talk) 00:17, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Isaacrsmith, and welcome to the Teahouse! This answer is so variable based on the editor(s), the subject, the quality and quantity of sources about the subject, etc., that there's almost no way to give you an answer that's not wildly incorrect for your specific circumstance. Personally, I would call "several hours" a conservative estimate for one experienced editor. Assuming you're looking to write a biography yourself, maybe just knowing who the subject is would help us give you a better answer. If this is the case, I want to advise you that creating an article is one of the most difficult tasks for a new Wikipedia editor, so much so that we generally recommend it for advanced editors. Nevertheless, we obviously don't discourage new editors from trying their hand at article creation, and the page on your first article is worth a read if you want to, so to speak, dive into the deep end. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 00:39, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Isaacrsmith, hello, friend! In addition to the information kindly provided by my fellow editor, I would suggest that, if you choose to try your hand at creating this article, you create it as a draft. By doing this, you can work on the article without interruption (except for the occasional nosy bum like myself) and without any pressure to create it quickly. You can also then submit it for a more experienced editor to review and offer you feedback of any necessary changes. Good luck on whatever you choose and have a nice evening! Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 01:01, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

There are many. many valid biography articles much shorter than that. Tend to classified as Stub (the example you chose was next higher rated Start). What is essential is having at least three reliable source references that are about the person. David notMD (talk) 01:37, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@Isaacrsmith: 100% agreed with what David notMD has said here, and I really should've brought it up when you mentioned the biography's length. Stubs are much easier to create than a medium-length one like Michael Schur, and there's room to expand upon them in the future. Creating a solid foundation is much more important than creating a sprawling article right off the bat. There's no stigma at all – not even a little – to making a short but informative, high-quality article and then expanding upon it. As an example, let me show you how the article for the star Sirius started back in 2001 versus how it is today. Obviously that 2001 version would need citations to independent, reliable sources with significant coverage to survive on today's Wikipedia, but an article of that length and quality of prose would be entirely admissible into the project today. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 02:08, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@TheTechnician27: Got it! This is all very helpful! Seeing the growth of the Sirius article definitely helps me get a better grasp of what I'm trying to accomplish. I appreciate the help.Isaacrsmith (talk) 02:38, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

The important thing is to create a solid foundation, which means to provide enough evidence of notability that the article cannot be deleted. Generally that implies reliable references not connected to the subject. When filling out the details, the standard for references is more variable depending on the nature of the content they support. Starting with a well supported stub is quite acceptable.
If you can list your references and the name of the subject here, I am fairly sure someone here will be able to advise you if the article is likely to be accepted before you go through the effort of creating it. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 11:08, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Capitalization of title

I feel like a bit of an idiot in that I created a page of a person and forgot to capitalize the last name. How do I fix this? FlyingKitten2024 (talk) 12:58, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

FlyingKitten2024,  Done. You're not an idiot, it was just a simple mistake! Have a nice day! Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 13:06, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

EDG 543 Thank you so much!

Last of the summer wine

I was looking at the individual characters pages for LOTSW and notice they are no pictures of the characters is it possible to added them it is the following pages

Nora Batty

Norman Clegg

Compo Simmonite

 Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 10:52, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Fanoflionking. The answer, I'm afraid, is "probably not". Unless you (or somebody) can find free of copyright images (very unlikely for a fictional TV character), or unless you can use a non-free image in a way that satisfies all of the non-free content criteria, then no image is possible in those articles. --ColinFine (talk) 13:22, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Article Declined

An article which I wrote was declined. [[1]]. This person was not considered "notable." They were a prominent model in the 1980s, having been on the cover of Cosmopolitan Magazine three times, being the subject of four full pages in Francesco Scavullo's 1982 book "Women," appeared on tv talk shows, being notably young to be on the cover of a magazine as referenced in an issue of New York Magazine, and having two articles in the Philadelphia Inquirer written about them. Additionally, they were given the first offer to appear as the main actress in the 1980 eight time Academy Award nominated Martin Scorsese film Raging Bull, though this is not readily verifiable. Is there more required to be notable than 8-10 independent published sources? Cjc716 (talk) 20:00, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cjc716. Your draft has only three references, so the rest of the 8 to 10 you mention are not relevant to this discussion since they are not included. The first is her obituary. Most editors agree that obituaries are not fully reliable sources because the content is usually provided by friends or family unless the person is very famous. In this case, her brother was the source for much of the content. The second is a book by a photographer she worked with which includes an interview with her. The third is a magazine story about "hottest models" featuring a photo of three other models on the cover. The anecdote about Scorsese is also not relevant because it cannot be verified. Models are not notable for appearing in advertisements because that is what they all do. Models (like anyone else) become notable as a result of significant coverage in reliable sources that are entirely independent of the model, the photographer, the advertiser or the publication the ad appears in. The Scavullo book adds nothing to her notability because it is not an independent source. In conclusion, the references now in the draft do not establish notability. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:24, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Cjc716: I just reviewed Draft:Lisa K. Cummins. The closest guideline is WP:NMODEL, which is really more general entertainer notability. With that in mind, the New York Magazine article listed as a source doesn't seem to mention her at all. I also Googled her and didn't find any significant coverage except her obituary. Appearing on several covers of notable magazines in itself isn't enough - someone has to write about her doing so for it to be notable and usable in an article. There's unfortunately not enough coverage to demonstrate notability (as defined by Wikipedia). TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Actually, I read the New York (magazine) article and it mentions Cummins in one sentence. That's a passing mention, not significant coverage. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:56, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I definitely missed it. Uncomfortable subject to linger over. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:46, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Elijah Chinezim Onyeagba

How can I restore this article which was deleted? I have made necessary adjustment and wish to republish it again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Torksimlife (talk • contribs) 14:09, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@Torksimlife: Welcome to the Teahouse! Once you have understood all the feedback you received on this article, you can follow the instructions Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:34, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Notable sources

Hi there, I'm writing a biography page for an international artist and designer, and I'm unsure of how many sources I will need to support the article. Do I need sources for every piece of information? Or just a minimum of three sources? Would interviews count as reliable sources?

Thanks for any suggestions! Mamiecolfox (talk) 14:13, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it would be best if you add a source for everything. Also see Wikipedia:Interviews. Kleinpecan (talk) 14:30, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@Mamiecolfox: Welcome to the Teahouse! Gather your reliable sources, summarize what they say, and use the sources as references. If you're considering including information that doesn't have a source, then I wonder if you have a conflict of interest that you should disclose on your user page before proceeding. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:36, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Any Draft Reviewers here?

Hello everyone, I'm new to Wikipedia. Draft:Divya Gokulnath (The co-founder of BYJU'S), this is my very first draft. Kindly any reviewers please go through this. Regards YogeshWarah^Talk 09:35, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@Yogeshwarah: welcome to Wikipedia. The draft has been correctly submitted for review, and it will be reviewed in due course; as it says in the yellow information box on the draft, that may take days, weeks, or in some cases months and I'm afraid it is not possible to predict exactly how long it will take. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 11:23, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

STATUS: Declined and resubmitted. As written, the draft has nothing to say about her except that she and her husband started a company. David notMD (talk) 15:05, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Quote, Pages, and Chapter Parameters

If I'm using a long source to support multiple sections within a Wikipedia article and I would like to use the quote, page, or chapter parameters to indicate where and what I'm citing how would I do it correctly. For instance, what if I use the quote parameter, but there are two different quotes I want to use, one for each section. Do I create an entirely new reference/citation? TipsyElephant (talk) 13:50, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: You can create separate references, or use {{sfn}} to specify the quote/page/location parameters. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:05, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Unrelevant sources and wrong information in the article

What can be done in order to remove wrong information from unrelevant sources from the published article? Dejanmilic (talk) 13:27, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Dejanmilic, see WP:BOLD and WP:BRD. Bringing better WP:RS can help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:37, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

You were blocked at Predrag Bošković for edit warring before, and risk being blocked again. You were advised to start a discussion on the Talk page of the article, which you have not yet done. Invite the other editors to join you there, in an attempt to reach a consensus. David notMD (talk) 15:09, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Article on new info

New info not on the internet Hey, I have tryed to write an article on Jamiscus Cubensis, a rare psychedelic mushroom that there is no info on the internet about yet. I tried to write an article but was told that i should edit the original psilocybe cubensis article putting Jamiscus cubensis as a subsepecies. I did this but got denied because I have no refrences but there are none to use. What do i do Thanks Bigbobbycarter (talk) 09:11, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Bigbobbycarter Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If a topic has no independent reliable sources with significant coverage, it would not merit a mention on Wikipedia at this time, and unfortunately there is nothing you can do until such sources exist. 331dot (talk) 09:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

How is it possible that Jamiscus cubensis is subspecies of Psilocybe cubensis when both have different Genus ? Parnaval (talk) 09:46, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

The information does not have to be "on the internet", Bigbobbycarter, provided that it is in a reliable source such as a publication in a scholarly journal. I could find no entry at all at Google Scholar, so how are we to verify that it even exists, never mind that an article about it would be useful? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:46, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Black and White in black and white; guidance on capitalization.

It has recently become fashionable to capitalize "Black" where it refers to race, which also has predictably sparked a countertrend to capitalize "White" in similar circumstances. Where could I find community guidance on this? I looked at WP:MOS/CAPS and found nothing except for an undecipherable closed discussion on the talk page. Thanks! Jacona (talk) 12:33, 24 March 2021 (UTC) Jacona (talk) 12:33, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

User:Jacona - You asked a good difficult question. There has been lengthy inconclusive discussion. I think that some of the non-conclusions are that if "Black" is capitalized, "White" should be too when they are used as demonyms, and that the capitalization of adjectives identifying groups of people may be a North Americanism, subject to the guidelines on regional varieties of English, but that the discussion has been inconclusive. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:07, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello Jacona! That page does say "only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia". I assume that's not the case yet, but if you find majority of top sources have started doing it consistently, you could start a discussion at the talk page of that page. It has close to 400 watchers, so someone should answer. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:08, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Inforboxes

Hi guys, I'm new to Wikipedia, but have a few pages I'd like to try and tackle in the near future. One of which is a company page so I'm just learning how to do this - can anyone advise on creating small sideboxes which usually contain company picture and general information, such as website, employee numbers etc. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks Keeptothefacts1988 (talk) 14:32, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

FYI

 – Combined sections by the same user on the same topic. GoingBatty (talk) 14:54, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello - can someone please help me identify how to create company page sideboxes, which usually contain employees, turnover etc Keeptothefacts1988 (talk) 14:33, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

You will need to use some kind of template to do it (or create one), but please be warned, if the article is about a company, please keep a neutral point of view, as documented at WP:NPOV. Thanks. EGL¹²³⁴ 14:50, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@Keeptothefacts1988: Welcome to the Teahouse! Try using {{Infobox company}}. You can see the instructions at Template:Infobox company. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:55, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Keeptothefacts1988, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that, in respect of Draft:Phoenix Games, asking for help in adding an infobox is like asking how to install the windows in a house you're building without having surveyed the land. Not one of the references in that Draft meets the requirements of being a reliable independent source with significant coverage of the subject, and so at present the draft does nothing at all to establish that the subject is WP:notable: in housebuilding terms, you haven't shown that the ground is firm enough to build a house on. If you don't find such sources, then your house is going to fall down, and all your work on the draft will be wasted. --ColinFine (talk) 17:07, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Image

I am trying to update the "Coverage of Google Street View" page, I am researching information regarding the new location additions. At the moment, I have found this image, whose information is represented in blue lines and red lines on a map of the world. The blue lines represent the existing Street View and the red lines represent the new Street View. In this image the red lines are in different parts of the world, including Turkey, which shows several red dots representing the urban centers of the cities or towns of Gaziantep, İslâhiye, Nizip, Birecik, Sanliurfa, Siverek and Viranşehir. The process and result of these comparisons is explained on this page, in which it works by comparing different Google Street View "snapshots". My question, can this image count as a valid source to add the information of these places to the article?--JSeb05 (talk) 20:10, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@JSeb05: Welcome to the Teahouse! The best place to ask about improving an article is the article's talk page. I see you're already involved in a conversation there. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:21, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Creating Pages for Supervisors

Hello! I have a question regarding a request made by my internship. My supervisors want pages created for themselves, but I feel like I run into a wall each time I attempt to create it. (Copyright, bias, etc you name it.) Is there any way I can connect with someone, give them the information I have on my supervisors and have this individual create the pages for me? 65.30.179.142 (talk) 14:51, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

You can make a request at WP:RA, but there is a long wait. Or, you can work on a draft article by following WP:YFA, which will outline the steps to create an article, and there is a wizard there to help you create the draft for review. You will need to disclose that you have a conflict and that you are being paid. RudolfRed (talk) 14:57, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse! You can show them Wikipedia's inclusion criteria at Wikipedia:Notability (people) and the essay Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If they still think they want articles, you can use Wikipedia:Requested articles and include the independent reliable sources you have gathered. GoingBatty (talk) 14:59, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Your attempt at Draft:Suzanne Jurva had no inline references. No refs is an automatic decline. If you intend to try again, I recommend you create an account, declare on your User page the draft article(s) you are being paid to work on, and use the above-recommended YFA process. Model your content on existing articles about people in the film industry. Learn what are considered reliable source references (for example, not IMBd). David notMD (talk) 15:18, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

The real problem is that you, unregistered Original Poster, are being asked by your supervisors to do something that isn't what Wikipedia is for, probably because your supervisors don't understand two of Wikipedia's main policies, neutral point of view and notability. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:51, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Maybe we, the hosts and experienced editors at the Teahouse, need an essay to provide to editors who are being asked by their employers to create pages about them. The next post to the Teahouse is almost the same. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:51, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: If you'd like to start an essay, I'd be happy to give my suggestions. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 20:28, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Citing Wikipedia content (text) in a mobile application

I am developing a mobile app, where I show different flowers to user. I want to get data from Wikipedia to show some info about them as well. However I don't know how to properly cite the text. I get it from Wikipedia API, so pre-writing the citations is not an option (I don't know which flower the users will see and there is too much of them).

Question: Is there a universal way of writing citations for Wikipedia articles in mobile app that I can write under every data about flower? (e.g. "Data was taken from Wikipedia") Or is the citation different for every atricle? In that case is there a way to get a citation from Wikipedia API as I get the text about flower? (so that I could get a citation text and add it to the info text)

P.S. I read a lot of citing info about Wikipedia, but it's just to information for me. That's why I am asking here. 90.157.166.45 (talk) 18:05, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi there! Since you didn't get a satisfactory answer here the last time you asked this question, I suggest you try the WP:Village Pump (technical). Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 20:24, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused about the question. Is it, "How should I cite Wikipedia in an external project?" If so, the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License is what we use and attribution of "Data was taken from Wikipedia" is sufficient, but you might also like (e.g.) "Data was taken from the page "Flower" at revision number 1010385350" (with the appropriate URLs) for prose. (You can get the revision number from the API, I'm sure, and the link to a page is just the URL prefix followed by the page name, with underscores or codes for special characters where necessary.) The images themselves come from Wikimedia Commons e.g. File:Flower poster 2.jpg, where you can find the name of the user who uploaded the image. — Bilorv (talk) 00:58, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

User Warning Notices

Hey, it's HelenDegenerate again. For the past few days, I've been patrolling the Recent Changes and reverting vandalism, using the User Warning templates each time. I notice that there are multiple levels of warnings. The page said that you could skip levels if needed. This is going to sound silly, but is that true? Since I've been done it for a few really destructive vandals, I'd love to be sure I won't get into trouble for it. HelenDegenerate (talk) 23:01, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

HelenDegenerate You are not required to go through all the warning levels, or even in rare, extreme cases, use warnings at all, if it is warranted. 331dot (talk) 23:12, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it's true, but you should try to think about whether it's actually helpful to use a higher-level warning. Sometimes someone vandalises an article in a joke they regret, someone was doing a test and didn't realise they changed how the page looks for everyone, someone is a troll looking to get a rise out of a volunteer etc. It's often helpful for someone to be blocked without all the levels having been used, but I don't often find it useful to jump a level when giving a warning. Lower-level warnings are often more effective in that if you use the harsher wording, the user is more likely to reply "well f*** you then" rather than to think, "actually maybe I'm not too proud of the edit I made". I make an exception when I see something and think, "no person can have done this in good faith, and there is no reconciliation to be had with someone who writes this". — Bilorv (talk) 01:08, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

How to change my signature??

I don't like the classic default signature. How do I change it? AwesomeHurricaneBoss (talk) 14:39, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Signatures § Customizing your signature. Kleinpecan (talk) 14:41, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Make sure to keep it simple and readable though βӪᑸᙥӴ • Talk • Contribs 15:09, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@AwesomeHurricaneBoss: But don't make it look like Bop34's though! - oh the irony - theirs is one of the most illegible signatures you'll find on the Teahouse at the moment (and I keep thinking of asking them to consider changing it, but have never got around to it until now.) Nick Moyes (talk) 21:31, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Actually I had been wanting to change it but I was too lazy. I have a better one now. Sorry! bop34 • talk • contribs 22:10, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes is the shadow too much? bop34 • talk • contribs 00:40, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

@Bop34: It's certainly easier to read with normal characters, though I do find the shadow still makes it a bit hard to read, and especially so on a small mobile phone screen where it makes me think I'm wearing the wrong glasses! Nick Moyes (talk) 01:17, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

... Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:37, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Ok but how do I change the signature like make it visible to other editors? AwesomeHurricaneBoss (talk) 21:54, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

See the link that Kleinpecan sent in the original comment. bop34 • talk • contribs 22:20, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

How does someone make a team?

So something like a Typo Team or a Guild or whatever.

Kind of want to make one :) xdude (talk) 14:34, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Xdude gamer Hello and welcome to the teahouse. Do you have an idea of what you would make a guild for Starman2377 (talk) 14:43, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I would advise against this so early on in your Wikipedia editing. It takes a huge amount of knowledge of the existing community to work out what doesn't exist but should, and how that gap can best be filled and organised. I'd stick to joining projects and drives for now. — Bilorv (talk) 01:49, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

How and what do I exactly do when you nominate an article for ITN?

I'm trying to nominate 2021 Boulder shooting for ITN, but I don't exactly know how to nominate it. 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 14:16, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

LightningComplexFire, The procedure is outlined at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates. Thank you! ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 14:22, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

In this case, however, you'll see that the request was already made and discussed a lot at the section #(Closed) 2021 Boulder shooting, with no consensus to add it. — Bilorv (talk) 01:50, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Question on editing

Hello,

It is not easy to figure out how to edit a section.

I read the wikiedit help page but it was not helpful.

I want to insert this paragraph under Hope Hicks’ personal life and cite the Boston Globe.

(Redacted)

            -By Mark Shanahan Boston Globe Staff ,January 4, 2018, 9:54 a.m.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/names/2018/01/04/book-claims-trump-made-crude-remark-about-hope-hicks/Ho3SETyiS6xWS2j2FVRhYJ/story.html

Apparently, Hicks is paying someone to monitor and censor her Wikipedia page. Roysox65 (talk) 23:37, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Care to take a mulligan on the topic area you want to edit? —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 23:49, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@Roysox65: it looks like six minutes after you wrote this, you found out how to add it. (This is the only edit to the page that you made.) I've edited it to improve the formatting. What do you mean by the last sentence, Apparently, Hicks is paying someone to monitor and censor her Wikipedia page? — Bilorv (talk) 01:41, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

[EC] Aside from the (important) matter of discretionary sanctions, if I understand correctly you, Roysox65, want to paste a paragraph copied from the Boston Globe. (I don't know if it comes directly from there, as I can't be bothered to jump the hoops set by the Globe in order to read the original.) If this is indeed what you want to do, don't attempt it. Don't quote, summarize. Another problem with the paragraph (whether it's by Shanahan or by you) is that it's as much about Trump as about Hicks; and stuff about Trump, if encyclopedic, should go in one of the articles about Trump. Yet another is the allegation of Wikipedia-laundering. I wouldn't be surprised if a large number of well-financed US political people did indeed pay for this; but I also wouldn't be surprised if they had so many dedicated [conventional] supporters who'd do the job for free that payment would be unnecessary. If you can present convincing evidence for an allegation that this or that user is paid to whitewash one or more articles and hasn't come clean about the payment, then go ahead and allege it (though the Teahouse is not the place); if not, say nothing about it. And certainly don't preface a suspicion with an airy "apparently" and no evidence. Now, if you still want to make a suggestion for the article Hope Hicks, go ahead and make it, on Talk:Hope Hicks. -- Hoary (talk) 01:54, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Someone please help me with my page

Hi :) I really need help. I'm in college and I was assigned to write about a person of my choice and I get major extra credit for contributing to wikipedia page for that person, but my teacher said she'd give me more if I created this page for an artist who I believe is established but he's not mainstream. Anyways, I went about this the totally wrong way. I thought it would help to make the artist's name my user name and even created a gmail so I can show my teacher the steps I took. I was overthinking everything. Anyways - my page keeps getting declined. I've come this far on research on this music artist and I could really use that extra credit.

I've made edits to the page, viewable here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lydell_Birch

I've made sure to only use publications from interviews I could find on the web, and took out any links to his website that I used as sources. I believe it's set and ready. I've already ready resubmitted it today.

Can anyone give me any feedback on how it currently is...Should I start over with a new account maybe? I'm so lost and I need to have this finished before my semester ends and I could just cry. Any advice is truly appreciated. Please and thank you ~ Meagan Beamer.Backdrop (talk) 23:08, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Beamer.Backdrop Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Interviews are considered primary sources and do not establish notability. To merit a Wikipedia article, this musician must receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources that have chosen on their own to write about them, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable musician. The draft currently just tells about the person. Which of the notability criteria do you assert that this musician meets?

It's kinda unfair to you as a student to ask you to write a new Wikipedia article as part of your grade, as you have little control over the process and are under pressure to deliver. Is the professor aware of the education program materials? 331dot (talk) 23:20, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

+1 on the last paragraph—even if the draft was spotless, it could take up to months to be reviewed because we have so few people working the very long queue. And if the person is not notable then that is not your fault and there is nothing you can do to change that. It's tough advice to give but I would advise you to work under the assumption that you will not be receiving the extra credit for contributing to Wikipedia, and to plan your other college work and target grades in accordance with this. An alternative might be to make your professor aware of the draft you have made and see if any extra credit can be awarded on the basis of that, unconditional over whether it is accepted (you can point them to my talk page if they want someone to talk this over with).

A small point on the image you uploaded, File:Lydell-birch.jpg. If you took this somewhere from the internet then it's (almost certainly) copyrighted and we can't host it on Wikimedia Commons. We have very, very restrictive policies on using images in order to maintain the "free" part of "free encyclopedia that anyone can edit" as much as possible. Let me know if so and I'll nominate it for deletion. — Bilorv (talk) 01:23, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I see the image is from a magazine cited in the article. Nominated for deletion because regrettably we can't use it. — Bilorv (talk) 01:34, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Robert McClenon added the autobiography template on 6 February; I wonder if he still believes the template is appropriate. -- Hoary (talk) 00:04, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

The poster says that they used the artist's name as their user account name. That was a mistake on their part, and I also see that they have since then renamed their account. I added the autobiography template because the draft name and the account name matched. The autobiography template can be removed. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I removed the autobio tag. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:13, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

We (the Wikipedia community) have a problem with professors who grade based on getting an article into Wikipedia. Assigning extra credit for getting an article into Wikipedia is "not as unfair" as requiring a student to get an article into Wikipedia. Giving extra credit for making a reasonable effort to get an article into Wikipedia is another matter. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Article Design Help: Living person bio article design

Hello,

I am trying to understand if content related to both a living person and the organization they are part of should be placed on both articles.

In particular, I've made quite a few edits to Max Schrems. Over time I began to realize that most of my edits might be better suited under NOYB, as they are related to court cases through NOYB (Schrems co founded NOYB). However, when the public hears about these cases, they hear about Schrems first, which is why I originally placed all the case related info on Schrems' bio, and its also work he takes part in. My intuition says that the Schrems page should have a brief summarization of the work NOYB does, but not the somewhat in depth examination of the court cases (that my edits and other edits have added); the in depth examination might be best suited for noyb, as Schrems and others directly take part in the court cases through noyb.

Insight is greatly appreciated. MrSirGuyFriendBuddyOlPal (talk) 05:21, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

@MrSirGuyFriendBuddyOlPal: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest you post your question on Talk:NOYB, and also post a link from Talk:Max Schrems to the discussion on Talk:NOYB. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:33, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

How active are wikiprojects?

I have been looking at some interesting Wikiprojects, but they do not seem very active (eg, a couple of days between replies on the talk page). Is this normal? Thanks. Cobbunt (talk) 04:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

@Cobbunt: Welcome to the Teahouse! Some are more active than others, and that is normal. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:27, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: ah, thank you! I was wondering if anyone else was actually around :P Cobbunt (talk) 05:35, 25 March 2021 (UTC)