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Usual procedure for removing editnotices

Hi there! What's the procedure for removing editnotices? I blanked one here after a request on the talk page, but are they usually deleted? Thanks so much! 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 17:46, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@EpicPupper: Hmm, good question. I'd ask at WT:Editnotice if there's nothing on that page about it. You might be breaking new ground if it hasn't been considered before. Beyond deletion or blanking, there's the third option of the expiry parameter of {{editnotice}}. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:44, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

How to get more activity on your RfC?

Hi, I started an RfC on an article about a popular female musician's album (not linking here so as to not canvass) but it hasn't received that much activity so far with only one reply. How may I induce more replies to the community discussion so as to achieve consensus? Thank you ^-^ shanghai.^{talk to me} 17:06, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@RogueShanghai: Hello Shanghai! You can post a neutrally worded message stating that there is an RfC going on for that subject to a related Wikiproject's talk page. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:08, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Would something like Wikiproject Music or Wikiproject Musicians work? and should i use a template to notify people on that wikiproject? thank you ^-^ shanghai.^{talk to me} 17:17, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@RogueShanghai: WIkiProject Musicians would probably be more appropriate. I think you could use {{Rfc notice}} in this case. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:33, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@RogueShanghai See WP:APPNOTE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:30, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Derek Mackay

Can someone review Derek Mackay here an IP editor has added comments about courses at Glasgow twice with out any sources, I have tried reverting but dont want to enter into an edit war. Regards --Devokewater ^(talk) 20:31, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

I found another source and reworded based upon the source. I hope that works for both of you.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:55, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks CaroleHenson (talk) I was a bit unsure wwhether or not it was vandalism, or a vendetta against him. Is their proof that Mackay actually attended Glasgow University? The BBC artcles etc seem to be based on what Mackay has told them. Devokewater ^(talk) 09:17, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Devokewater, We've got two sources that state that he attended the university. Had he actually graduated, I think it would be easier to confirm, though.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:58, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

CaroleHenson it would be interesting to see what he studied at Glasgow University assuming the IP editor was correct, + where he studied social work. --Devokewater ^(talk) 21:42, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Query regarding publication on main website

Last year in 2021, I created the draft article 'Draft:Sobhan Mukherjee' in the month of August but it was not published on the website despite six months being over. After that, it was deleted due to inactivity and I had to request for its undeletion. the article is about the 'Padman of Bengal' and is equally true, authentic, and inspiring. It needs to be known and read by many individuals across the globe. So, how do I request the authorities and make sure that the article gets published on the main website as soon as possible?

For reference - Draft name - 'Draft:Sobhan Mukherjee' ; Draft link - 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sobhan_Mukherjee' ; Anonymous Atronauch (talk) 12:02, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

The draft is at Draft:Sobhan Mukherjee. To submit it for review, add {{subst|submit}} to the top of the draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:12, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@Anonymous Atronauch, Welcome to the Teahouse! It seems you never submitted the article for review, this isn't done automatically.

Based on sources like [1][2] it seems that your subject meets the demands of WP:N. However, as currently written, there are some problems.

Many sections have no refs, and seem to be based on personal knowledge. These have to go, please read WP:BLP carefully. We don't mention details about family/activities without good WP:RS. Also read WP:Conflict of interest, if you are writing about yourself, family, friends, clients etc you should say so, on your userpage and on the article talkpage, see WP:AUTO. WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing may be of interest.

The article is supposed to be a summary of the WP:RS that can be found, anything else is mostly outside WP:s scope. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:34, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) In addition to the above, here are some concrete examples of the problems.

His was a typical bengali family, he carries on his social works gathering strength from his mother's memories, etc. are not objective facts about his life.

A lot of sentences are turned in a laudatory manner, as the struggle of one courageous hero and their close friends/relative against a hostile environment. That may well be true, but that is not how we write about it here. Have a look at the article for Mahatma Gandhi for inspiration, you will see that all the events are described in a down-to-earth manner. For instance, Gandhi was arrested on 10 March 1922, tried for sedition, and sentenced to six years' imprisonment., rather than The vicious British state apparatus decided to remove the inspiring hero from public life. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 14:24, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Dry, dusty and bland is often the right way. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:51, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

"Inspiring" is not a word that should be used to describe encyclopedic writing. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 00:03, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

re-direct for an artists page

Hello,

I am trying to change the name for RABI so it appears like - RABI (artist). How do I fix this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RABI

Romanstuff (talk) 00:17, 24 February 2022 (UTC) Romanstuff (talk) 00:17, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Romanstuff, welcome to the Teahouse!

I did the move for you, because it seemed reasonable due to all the confusable topics at Rabi (disambiguation). You need to be WP:AUTOCONFIRMed to move pages, which happens at 10 edits and at least 4 days since account creation. Note that the article has way too many External Links at the end, and I am making no comment on notability. casualdejekyll 00:32, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Draft: Gazeta e pavarur

I edited the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gazeta_e_pavarur. Please review and let me know if there is anything I need to revise. Thanks! Junuzsalihi99 (talk) 19:34, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@Junuzsalihi99: Hello Junuzsalihi99, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft is already waiting for review, so please be patient. Your article will need cleanup, like removing spaces in between citations. Your draft also needs more reliable sources to show that it is notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. It seems like your draft has been rejected 4 times, so please make sure that you have fixed all the problems and listened to what the reviewers have to say. --The Tips of Apmh 19:47, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@Junuzsalihi99 I looked at your three-sentence draft article, and then saw that all the information in that draft is found in your first reference. Unfortunately that reference is the "about page" of the newspaper you are writing about. Wikipedia doesn't want to know what Gazeta e pavarur has to say about itself, it wants to know what references that have no connection to Gazeta e pavarur have to say about the newspaper. Your first and last references are not useful for your article because they are both written by the newspaper itself.

These are the only references written in English and, since English is the only language I can read, I don't know what the other references have to say about Gazeta e pavarur. Do any of those references tell more about Gazeta e pavarur, such as when it was founded or how many people read it? Has it ever won an award? More information would help show it is notable.

Since this draft article has been declined four times I would suggest you continue to work on trying to improve the article before it is reviewed again. Show that you have read that past reviewers have stated that the references "do not show that the subject qualified for a Wikipedia article" and that you have done a lot of work to improve your draft, and you are showing why your references are showing that Gazeta e pavarur is worthy of a Wikipedia article.

There may not be many English Wikipedia reviewers that read multiple languages, so it may be helpful to find at least a couple of references written in English, but not anything written or published by Gazeta e pavarur, for Wikipedia wants to know what reliable source not connected to the newspaper have to say about it. Good luck on improving this article so that no other reviewer tells you the references "do not show that the subject qualified for a Wikipedia article." Karenthewriter (talk) 01:47, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Average Admin Edit Count

I'm just curious I'm reading a book on Wikipedia titled Wikipedia: The Missing Manual from 2018 and I am wondering what is the average, min, and max of admin edit counts? ScientistBuilder (talk) 03:31, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

No idea about the average (I'd guess somewhere in the 10k-100k range), but the lowest and highest edit counts that I am aware of are Lustiger seth (725) and Ser Amantio di Nicolao (4591220). —Kusma (talk) 03:41, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but this statistic is a bit misleading: Lustiger seth contributed 43,723 edits to DE Wikipedia. Using the same logic, one could note that administrator Lustiger seth has only 27 edits on RU Wikipedia. Anton.bersh (talk) 10:43, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Lustiger seth is not an administrator of RU Wikipedia, though. casualdejekyll 19:10, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Fair point. Where can I see whether person is admin or not on a particular Wiki? Anton.bersh (talk) 10:50, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@Anton.bersh I used XTools.. see how here "Is administrator" is ticked as yes, but here it's ticked as no casualdejekyll 00:29, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Special:CentralAuth/Lustiger seth gives a table of edit-count and admin-status on every WMF site. DMacks (talk) 02:21, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ScientistBuilder,

Edit counts are constantly changing and increasing. At what point in time do you want this data? Edit counts for individual editors can be seen by clicking on Edit Count at the bottom of an editor's contributions page but not every editor enables this feature. Editors in different user classes are not tracked for edits. Admin statistics can be found at User:JamesR/AdminStats and are updated on a daily basis but they don't include edit counts. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:44, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Edit count is not a meaningful measure of user's experience or contribution. I would recommend reading Wikipedia:Editcountitis (it's a humorous essay, but the points are valid). Most users with very high edit counts employ some level of automation. Anton.bersh (talk) 10:38, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

You can get a comparison of administrator admin actions (not edits) with this tool. You can get editing statistics for individual admins with this tool or this tool. The last one only has limited data if the user does not sign up to it. I don't know of any tool that compares all admin edits. SpinningSpark 11:32, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@ScientistBuilder: You could also look at Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits and focus on those users that have "Ad" in the "User groups" column. GoingBatty (talk) 16:23, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@Anton.bersh@Kusma@Casualdejekyll@Liz@Spinningspark@GoingBattyI'm just curious but is there anything like, "If you get 1000000 edits, you can apply to be an admin automatically or something" ScientistBuilder (talk) 22:34, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@ScientistBuilder: no, there is nothing like that. Becoming an admin is (ideally) a function of sound judgment and the community's trust in an editor, which cannot be guaranteed at any raw number of edits. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:38, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't want to become an admin by the way because you have to deal with vandalism. ScientistBuilder (talk) 22:46, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Is there something like an admin for a WikiProject? ScientistBuilder (talk) 22:46, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, @ScientistBuilder:! No, most WikiProjects are fairly informal: they serve more like a bulletin board where people can coordinate work on articles related to a topic. I personally use them mostly for content assessment tables when I want to find something to improve. Anton.bersh (talk) 10:49, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi ScientistBuilder, not all admins are needed to deal with vandalism, we have admins dealing with copyright violations, the DYK queue, spammers, AFC and several other places where you are unlikely to encounter vandalism. As for edit counts and adminship, it used to be said that if you haven't become an admin before your 10,000th edit you were unlikely to make admin. Nowadays I'd be as surprised at someone passing in their first three thousand edits as I would be if someone passed in their first 12 months of active editing. Oh and as for admins for Wikiprojects, MILHist elects some people, but I haven't heard of any other Wikiproject doing so, though whether this is a matter of MILHist scale or culture I wouldn't be sure. ϢereSpielChequers 00:48, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

I had a look with the API. Excluding 4 adminbots (Edit filter, ProcseeBot, ST47ProxyBot, TFA Protector Bot) and one 'rename' (Khaosworks101), you get this: Count: 1,050; Min: 725; Max: 4,598,060; Mean: 75,218; Median: 35,931 -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 16:51, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Is there a way to be an admin and mostly focus on editing well and less vandalism patrol, or is the role of an admin to enforce the pillars of Wikipedia? ScientistBuilder (talk) 20:48, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

This is a controversial point, actually. The thing about RfA is that it's a horrible, terrible, place. At least in my opinion. The thing about adminship is that it's kind of biased to those people who work behind the scenes - simply because it's much more useful to them. There's a reason they call it the mop, you know. Admin tools are mainly used for cleanup rather then actual writing, and if you just want to write, then there's very few uses you'd have for the toolset. (Not that everything admins do is vandalism patrol - there are many many many many other things admins do as well.) casualdejekyll 00:20, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

According to User:JamesR/AdminStats, in Wikipedia history more than half of all admins have never blocked a single person. But when asking for a toolset, people are going to ask, "why do you need that and what are you going to do with it?" -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 00:39, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

According to that same source there have been 4,257 admin accounts, about two thousand admins more than we think. Some of those are stewards, WMF staff and others with admin rights, but hundreds of the accounts with 1 or 2 admin actions allocated to them are non admin accounts with an admin action credited to them due to a bug. There are also an unkown number of admins from the early days who performed all their blocks before December 2004, but at least one admin action afterwards. Unless things have changed since I last looked into those stats and admin history, that bot has no access to admin logs from before Dec 2004. There may also be some accounts that got the mop to do something that we have since unbundled such as Rollback. I looked into this several years ago to check the myth that lots of people pass RFA and then never use the tools. As I remember it the myth was pretty much busted, and new admins who don't use the tools are very very rare. However, adminstats does make it look as if we have lots of never active admins. ϢereSpielChequers 19:03, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks WereSpielChequers. I had better look. Of current admins, 53 have made zero blocks, and only half have made more than 179 blocks. 61 have never protected anything. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 00:07, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

It should also be noted that there are also a lot of former admins, a number that has been growing much faster in recent years due to a change in policy where inactive accounts with the admin tools are de-adminned semi-automatically; we also have a number of former admins who have either voluntarily given up the tools, or had them taken from them. Furthermore, many of the things the admin bit allows are unlogged actions, especially for things like editing through protection and the like; there are likely several admins who "use" the toolset every day, in the sense that they couldn't complete their tasks without it, but who do not regularly block or protect or delete things. --Jayron32 17:40, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

The edit filter is a bot? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:47, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Not really, but the edit filter owns an account (User:Edit filter) which it can use to block and change user rights (theoretically, long story). It's described as an admin, sort of: Special:UserRights/Edit filter. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 00:57, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

i finished my page

i finished my page if you want me to change something let me know TzarN64 (talk) 17:05, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

The grammar needs improvement. Fijipedia (talk) 17:12, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

As does the tense used. This is a list of defunct/finished services, as far as I can see. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:45, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

I have to ask, is a list like this really needed? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:01, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

ofc its not needed. The same goes for the entire wikipedia. TzarN64 (talk) 18:07, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Does it fall under one of the things listed in WP:SALAT though and is it WP:N? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:10, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes it is notable and i made sure it had enough content to be an actual page. TzarN64 (talk) 18:15, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

I am not finding any other list like that here or here. Besides the guidelines already mentioned, this seems to be a WP:INDISCRIMINATE issue to me.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:08, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

I just noticed that there's an article and section that seems to have some of the same info at Wii#Third-party applications. Perhaps anything that isn't already in that section could be similarly summarized - and then the info would just be presented one time.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:50, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

I made my best article yet

I used your guys criticisms and i improved it! The page is List of streaming services for the Nintendo Wii. TzarN64 (talk) 00:57, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: List of streaming services for the Nintendo Wii  melecie  t - 01:40, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Not gonna comment on the value, since it's a topic that I know nothing about (because it really doesn't interest me), but I notice that in your "sortable" table, in the columns about dates, the sorting is alphabetical by name of the months, which is not really helpful. Also, does the column on references really need to be sortable? Uporządnicki (talk) 02:21, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

help publishing an article to Wikipedia

Hi. I am trying to post some short research I did on wikipedia and while it says that I have posted it I cannot seem to be able to search for it. Any ideas what I have done wrong? thanks.

Ali Aanowroozi (talk) 01:18, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Aanowroozi! Welcome to Wikipedia!

I'm confused as to what you mean.. your only other edit is creating your user page. Additionally, from what you describe, the thing you are trying to post may be original research, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a primary source, or even a secondary source. Wikipedia is a tertiary source, which means it compiles information from secondary sources into an encyclopedia article. casualdejekyll 01:26, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

I do not see anything relevant in your contributions at Special:Contributions/Aanowroozi. Here are few possibilities:

1. It is very unlikely (but possible) that the article was deleted already (without any prior warning on your Talk page at User talk:Aanowroozi). If the article was deleted, you would see a notification. If you did not get any notification, then probably it was not deleted.
2. Is it possible that you forgot to log in and edited as an IP user?
3. Is it possible that you forgot to save it?

Also, if you write about your own work you might have conflict of interest. Generally, educators are seen favorable by Wikipedia, but you still need to follow the proper process (writing drafts or making edit requests). I would recommend going through draft process and not posting it into main space just yet. Anton.bersh (talk) 01:33, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

As a new editor, important to understand that "Publish changes" means Save, not publish as an article. David notMD (talk) 10:37, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Aanowroozi: you have uploaded File:FINAL Some parameters of the Universe February 23 2022.pdf, but this is not how articles are created on Wikipedia. MKFI (talk) 11:16, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

How to handle databases?

I currently work on Zabbix and want to add details from the reputated | US Gov National Vulnerability Database since the article is self-promotional so far and I want to add critical and reputable sources. This database can be an important source for a lot of software articles to establish the security of software. In this case the database contains entries of research done by independent security researchers. But I struggle to find basic information how to handle this source even I read the obvious guidelines. I have the following questions:

1. How to handle information coming from databases on Wikipedia?
2. Are information coming from databases usually considered primary? Secondary? Tertiary?
3. How to trigger a discussion and inclusion to Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources and does it have any chance of success?
4. How to cite databases? Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Links_and_ID_numbers mentiones IDs but I don't know how I cite a NIST-NVD entry like 'CVE-2017-2824' via citing templates.

GavriilaDmitriev (talk) 02:06, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, GavriilaDmitriev. The external link you provided does not work for me, so I cannot comment on this specific database. Most databases are primary sources because they consist of a large number of entries in a highly structured and standardized format and rarely include the characteristics of a secondary source, which includes an author's analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources. You mention "entries of research done by independent security researchers". If these "entries" meet the standards mentioned above,then perhaps they are secondary sources. Unless this particular database is widely cited and debated on Wikipedia, then an entry in perennial sources is not justified. For citing it, I recommend Template:Cite web. Cullen328 (talk) 03:36, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Cullen328 and thank you for your reply. I've read it and appreciate it. I fixed the original link (formatting issue) and would like to provide a specific example here. You can consider this database as an index which leads to further links and details. In this example under References to Advisories, Solutions, and Tools which contains a link to https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts-announce/2020/11/msg00039.html you can find an independent entity which includes the characteristics you mentioned. That is my opinion though and I would love to hear your opinion about it in case I might misjudge it. That is the reason why I am posting here in the Teahouse to learn to differentiate those cases better.

You might reply why I don't use this example link not as original source then. It is because it backlinks to the database I mentioned and it's easier to start from the official ID. As I said this is specific to the topic Software Security but is still applicable to almost all articles of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Software/Free and open-source software task force

To your point widely cited and debated on wikipedia: I repeat that it is important for software related parts of wikipedia. The database already has a wikipedia article. What do yuou consider the best part to getting it's usage discussed/standardized/templated? I'm fine if the result is a no, but I would like to hear more input on how and why. GavriilaDmitriev (talk) 06:04, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

GavriilaDmitriev, my academic studies of software ended in the 1970s with a class on COBOL where I ran programs on Hollerith punched cards, and a class on Systems analysis where we were advised to always maintain a paper based backup system for any computer based business applications. In other words, I am not up to date on software matters except as a consumer. That being said, the things you have linked to look to me like primary sources. That is not a bad thing. Such sources can be useful but must be used properly. You seem to think that a positive listing on perennial sources is some kind of "stamp of approval" that a source must achieve. That is incorrect. That list is for an assessment of sources that editors have repeatedly disagreed about. Unless there is a history of ongoing disagreement, there is no reason to discuss this source there. If you believe that the source is reliable, feel free to use it until another editor objects. If you believe that the source is unreliable, then do not use it, and move on to something else. Cullen328 (talk) 07:18, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Right, while "Lulu Press" is on the list, you don't find, say, Oxford, Cambridge or Yale university press. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:33, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

• @GavriilaDmitriev: There is the template {{CVE}} to cite CVEs by number, which links to the CVE website.

CVEs are more than a raw database, as each entry has a summary description of the vulnerability. I would say those descriptions are usually reliable, but you can ask at WP:RSN if you have doubts. However, it is still a primary source, which aims (more or less) to be exhaustive. I would say that you should not mention all CVEs for a particular software without another (secondary) source to show it is due weight. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:29, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

❤️ Thank you so much. That was the primer I needed! GavriilaDmitriev (talk) 12:36, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Icosium article

 Courtesy link: Icosium

Hi, I think it is you that added sources in the Wikipedia article about ISOSIUM , especially "Diocese of Icosium". I am trying to translate this article in French and I think this source is now suppressed . Is it true ? Thank you for your answer. Sincerely yours.

--Joisy78 (talk) 11:26, 24 February 2022 (UTC)Joisy78--Joisy78 (talk) 11:26, 24 February 2022 (UTC) Joisy78 (talk) 11:26, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

• It is not very clear what question you have, Joisy78.

If you think a source was removed from the article (linguistic note: suppress/supprimer is a false friend, "suppressed" translates to censurée, for supprimée you want "removed" in this context), you can check out the history of that article.

If you want to contact a particular editor, you would usually ask on the talk page of the article (Talk:Icosium) or the talk page of that editor (but then you need their username). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:49, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Edit war

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I am currently facing a edit war and someone has removed basically alot of content and i would like this to be resolved

Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MobileDiff/1073697540&type=revision TzarN64 (talk) 03:18, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@TzarN64: Welcome to the Teahouse! After you read WP:OWN and WP:CIVIL, I suggest you start a discussion on Talk:List of streaming services for the Nintendo Wii with the other editor. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:46, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

For the preceding edit, TzarN64, you provided the summary "Stop ruining my article". No article here is yours (or mine): please read WP:OWN. As for your summary for this edit, it's very childish. Any more of the same kind of thing, and you're likely to be blocked. -- Hoary (talk) 13:29, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: This user has been generally doing confusing things for a few months now. I first met them at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Return YouTube Dislike, and they seem to keep popping up. casualdejekyll 13:47, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

TzarN64, The only way to have an edit war is for two editors or groups of editors to engage in it. Some very sage advice has already been offered. Telling any editor, much less one being bold and acting in good faith, to "F___ Off" is not the way to improve the collaborative effort and de-escalate a tense situation. A cool off period was an excellent suggestion and gives you a chance for self-evaluation which includes reading the above suggested policies before returning to the article in question and having a discussion with the other editor. When you do return, remain calm, explain your points and let it be what it is. This one article is not worth risking sanctions over. --ARoseWolf 13:55, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Casualdejekyll: I agree. Just look at the posts they made at WT:VG where they were clearly too impatient to wait for the merge discussion to end. I wonder if they just have a single goal here. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:00, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

See also this, which I raised as a concern on their talk page a while back. I'm honestly not sure where to take this. Calling it CIR isn't quite right - engaging in what could be construed as personal attacks makes us no better then anyone else. I've almost brought this to AN/I twice at this point, but this is the weirdest thing this editor has done yet. casualdejekyll 14:09, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

I definitely wouldn't call this single goal - the editor has multiple areas of interest (nintendo games and WWE) and seems to just be a normal person who hasn't quite got it. @Blaze Wolf casualdejekyll 14:11, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Casualdejekyll: If I didn't hate ANI I probably would take them to ANI. If an editor has made personal attacks and hasn't learned, then they need to be set straight. Whether that be with a block or a strong warning from admins. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:11, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

See, I'm in the exact same boat. I'm just a big fan of not going within 12 miles of the dramaboard, you know? casualdejekyll 14:13, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

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Primary sources

What are the rules on using United States military documents as sources? Would they be allowed as straight forward statements of promotions, transfers and awards received or would there be some kind of conflict of interest? In this case I am talking about this order here [3] regarding the subject of an article I am writing. Could I use this to confirm his transfer to the Invalid Corps? Thanks in advance, Gandalf the Groovy. Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 14:14, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Gandalf the Groovy, welcome to the Teahouse!

WP:PRIMARY is the relevant policy here. Hope this helps! If you have any more questions feel free to ask. casualdejekyll 14:18, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gandalf the Groovy Looks ok-ish to me (at least as a source that the order was given), but consider getting input at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:25, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Ooh, yes! Gandalf the Groovy WikiProject Military history is a group project of users who specialize in military history and wars; not only are they one of our most active projects, they're really good at what they do, too! You can ask them any military-specific questions and you're bound to get good and specific answers. Panini! • 🥪 14:53, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Help me with my TWA userboxes, Part 2

I'm doing basic structuring of my userpage. I'm quite happy with the current userboxes but I would like to fix the formatting of the TWA badges - I'm open for design suggestions. I know the badges aren't meant for the userbox although I think this may be the best place for them. Any ideas of improvents? Feel free to change it on my userpage directly first and then discuss with me here. I posted this already here in Teahouse but received no help GavriilaDmitriev (talk) 05:55, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you @FormalDude for improving my issue with those boxes. Is it maybe possible to have the column in the same width as the userboxes? Because then it's exactly how I imagined it to be. Currently it's still exploding the layout. GavriilaDmitriev (talk) 10:15, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't think that's possible. Another option would be a collapsible table in the body of your userpage. ––FormalDude talk 10:23, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

GavriilaDmitriev, I have no idea how I acheived this and I cannot relay this information to you (tables are confusing!), but I've organized your badges into a collapsed table and crammed it into your infobox, under your userboxes. Please let me know if you're still envisioning something else, and I'll do some further head-scratching to get it to work. Panini! • 🥪 14:36, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Panini! Thank you for the edit! But I have to admit that my initial intention was to keep the two columns and to have it shown at all times. So the previous state was more near to what I had imagined 😀 GavriilaDmitriev (talk • they/them) 14:41, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@GavriilaDmitriev: I know Vukky actually has a single userbox that says that you have all of the TWA badges which not only is more in the same style as most other userboxes, but should help reduce the amount of userboxes you have. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

GavriilaDmitriev, I took another crack at your idea. Is this what you mean by being the same width as the userboxes? The word "Communicator" is messing with the table shape due to its length, but it roughly matches the infoox size. I also aligned it on the right. Panini! • 🥪 15:12, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Since there's an odd numer of badges, I had to get creatiev with the "TWA Badges" title as well. Panini! • 🥪 15:13, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

That is great! Thank you ❤️

Good thinking of you GavriilaDmitriev (talk • they/them) 15:16, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library link error

Hello i made a edit [[4]] and used a worldcat.org link for Andrew McGregor source, military history, instead of a wiki library link that contains the info, question how do you use the library link for the article? When i tried using it, an error came up (supposedly because of ebsco). Thanks Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 00:47, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Your reference looks good to me and you do not need to include a link to the source at all. References do not need to be accessible online. People should be able to find it (if they are allowed access). I managed without the link by searching The Wikipedia Library. However, if I try linking to the url from which I got access but from a Wikipedia reference I don't get a result either. It is probably to prevent unauthorised access. Thincat (talk) 19:14, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Disambiguation question

I just added a Cast section to the stub article Paradise Alley (1962 film). On my User contribution page there's a note after the edit summary that says "(Tag: Disambiguation links added)." I clicked on the link, and it took me to the "Links to disambiguation pages" section in Wikipedia:Disambiguation, which I really didn't understand. Does anything else need to be done? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 07:34, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello Pete Best Beatles, and welcome to the Teahouse. You added a link Margaret Hamilton, which is a disambiguation link. The correct link to add would be Margaret Hamilton (actress). Same for William Forrest (which should be William Forrest (actor) Kpddg ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:17, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

I have now fixed it in this edit. Kpddg ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:19, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kpddg Thanks. To figure it out, should I have just checked each link until I found ones that didn't link to regular pages? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 16:30, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Most often it's people's names (multiple people with same name), but there are surprises. For example, Egg is one thing, but Egg as food is another. David notMD (talk) 17:42, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Pete Best Beatles: Under "Appearance" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets you'll see an option to "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange". --David Biddulph (talk) 19:31, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Uploading possible image for Claremont Fan Court School.

Hello, I've been doing research to attempt to get another image that could be used, if needed, for the Claremont Fan Court School page. I've been in touch with the owner of the image and he had a few questions: 1. "Can you make sure it’s marked so it says the copyright belongs to me, and that it can’t be used by anyone without prior consent from myself?" 2. "Or do all Wiki images have to be in the public domain?"

He has given me the image to upload if I want. What would be a good way of uploading it with the correct permissions? Thanks Archivingperson (talk) 23:48, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

As a rule, images do not have to be in the public domain (which has a more specific meaning than many people realise) but they do neet to be licensed in a way that they may be copied freely - usually under CC-BY-SA. So, no, permission from the owner to use an image on Wikipedia is not adequate, and in fact is always irrelevant. (If certain conditions are met, we can use non-free media, but one of those conditions is that there could be a free version, so pictures of currently-existing buildings almost never meet them). Usually the easiest thing is to take a picture yourself, or find somebody who is able and willing to take a picture and then upload it and donate it to Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 00:13, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Archivingperson, no, it is not necessary that images used on Wikipedia must be in the public domain, and I feel confident in saying that the majority of images on this encyclopedia are not in the public domain. Copyrighted images can be used if the copyright holder has chosen to release the image under an acceptable free license. Free licenses do not wipe away the copyright. Instead, they authorize anyone to reuse the image for any purpose without asking permission or paying a fee, with the main restriction being (usually), that the image must be attributed to the creator. So, a statement such as Can you make sure it’s marked so it says the copyright belongs to me, and that it can’t be used by anyone without prior consent from myself? is exactly the opposite of free licensing and is never acceptable. On the other hand, certain images, such as movie posters, book and album covers, highly historic photographs, photos of dead people and so on, can be used in low resolution in one article on English Wikipedia only, under the very restrictive terms of WP:NFCI. All of the terms and conditions must be followed precisely. Cullen328 (talk) 05:42, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine: and @Cullen328: Thank you for your response. I've reached out to the copyright holder of this image and he's willing to donate the image to Wikipedia. However, I don't think he has any knowledge of how to upload the image himself to Wikipedia. Is there any way that I can do this on his behalf and supply you with any relevant information needed? If so, I've done some reading and is the first step for me to upload the image and secondly, what initial license should I apply to it? Thanks Archivingperson (talk) 12:36, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

See WP:Donating copyrighted materials. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:05, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@David Biddulph This is my first time uploading an image on behalf of the person who owns the copyright. The image can be found at this website: https://www.horizonimaging.co.uk/blog/new-schools-case-study-added-to-website/. However the image itself is a lower resolution image without the trademark signs on the bottom of the picture. In regular emails he has given me permission to upload the image on Wikipedia and freely shared on his behalf. 1. Does Wikipedia need another email of written consent or could I upload the image as if "I represent the copyright holder"? 2. Would I just do my best and then at the end, if I went through the process incorrectly, I could delete the image and start over? Thanks Archivingperson (talk) 15:24, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Archivingperson, the only person who can freely license a copyrighted image is the copyright holder. A casual email is not enough to give you the authority to do it because you are not the copyright holder. You can assist that person but in the end, they must go through the legal formalities. Please read Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission and follow those instructions carefully. You cannot cut any corners. Cullen328 (talk) 18:03, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Thanks for the information. I have just uploaded this image (Claremont Fan Court School from the air.jpg) with a category for the Claremont Fan Court School page to Wikipedia Commons. My next step is to get full permission from the copyright holder (which I have, but I understand it needs to come from him). 1. If he is computer savvy, would the quickest way be for him to go through the process on this page:: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikimedia_VRT_release_generator? However, does he need to have a Wikipedia account set up for that? 2. I'm trying to make the process seamless for him, is there a way I can go through the process on my own with a dummy picture so I would know all the steps involved? Thanks Archivingperson (talk) 00:06, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Archivingperson, yes, the copyright holder can deal with it on Wikimedia Commmons and that requires an account, but it is very easy to set up an account. If you want to freely license an image that you have created, and upload it for practice, that is fine. But do not upload something that is inappropriate. It could be a photo of an historic building near you, for example. Cullen328 (talk) 00:42, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 The copyright holder has sent in "Wikimedia OTRS release" and received an email back saying the process could take 36 days. In the "Licensing" section of the File:Claremont Fan Court School from the air.jpg I added a {{OTRS pending}} Is that the correct thing to do right now? Also it looks like a deletion notice was applied by a Anticompositebot. Is that normal? Thanks Archivingperson (talk) 11:11, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Archivingperson. If the copyright holder has sent a consent email to Wikimedia VRT ("OTRS" is VRT's former name), then adding the "OTRS pending" template is fine. The copyright holder should receive an automated reply containing a VRT ticket number. This means their email has been received and they should keep a record of this number because it's sort of like a case number. Eventually a VRT volunteer will get to the email and assess it. If the VRT volunteer verifies the email, they will add the template c:Template:PermissionTicket to the email. This will make it known on the file's page that the licensing and copyright holder's consent has been verified. If, on the other hand, there's a problem with the email, the VRT volunteer will likely add c:Template:Permission received to let others know that an email has been received but there was a problems with it. The VRT volunteer will most likely also email the copyright holder and let them know what the problem is and what needs to be done to fix things. Sometimes the VRT process can take some time, so the copyright holder needs to be patient. If things seem to be dragging on to long, they can seek assistance at c:Commons:VRT/Noticeboard. They can use their VRT ticket number for reference. Now, it's important to understand that VRT volunteers aren't allowed to publicly discuss specific details about the emails they are privy to and they will only discuss such thing with the copyright holders who email them. They might be able to answer general questions asked by others on Wikipedia or Commons pages, but they won't go into specifics. They can't because they've signed an agreement not to do such things. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:57, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly and @Cullen328 I've added the "OTRS pending" license to the File:Claremont Fan Court School in the air.jpg because the copyright holder told me he received a email confirming that he had sent in a "Wikimedia OTRS release". I also noticed that there is a Anticompositebot warning on the image saying the image will be removed in seven days. Is that something that I need to remove on my own? Thanks Archivingperson (talk) 12:19, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Files tagged with a speedy deletion template like the one added by the bot are going to be ultimately reviewed by a Commons administrator. That administrator should see when such a file has been subsequently tagged with c:Template:Permission pending, and take that into consideration when assessing the file. Most likely, they will assume good faith and not delete the file until a VRT volunteer has completed the verification process. They might also remove the template the bot added and the file will remain in sort of a limbo state until a VRT volunteer steps in. If, by chance, the file does end up being deleted before then, it's likely that the VRT volunteer reviewing the file will request that it be restored if the email that was sent in was OK. If the file ends up being deleted for other reasons (i.e. non-related to a lack of copyright holder's permission or the email that was sent in), however, the file's deletion may need to be reviewed per c:Commons:Deletion review in order to get it restored. Generally, adding a "Permission pending" template to a file tagged with c:Template:No permission since extends the deadline for verification from seven days to thirty-six days before the file is eligible for speedy deletion. If thirty-six days pass and the file has still not been verified, then the file can be speedily deleted by an administrator. If you want to use the file in a Wikipedia article now, you may. If the file ends up deleted, it will probably be automatically removed by a bot. A notification that the file has been nominated for deletion on Commons may also be added to the article's talk page by another bot. One thing to remember, though, is that file use in Wikipedia articles isn't always solely based on copyright status as explained in WP:IUP#Adding images to articles; in other words, a file released under a perfectly acceptable copyright license could be removed by someone from an article for other (perhaps encyclopedic) reasons. In a case like that, you may have to establish a consensus to re-add the file through discussion on the relevant article's talk page. Sometimes it's not only a question of whether a file can be used, but also whether it should be used. It's the latter one that's sometimes a bit hard to sort out when people are of differing opinions. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:55, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly Thank you for all the information. I appreciate it! Archivingperson (talk) 22:26, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Help with citations etc on a draft?

Hey Guys,

I had a whole thing with my only article being deleted, but it did give me a kick to get back into editing, so alls well that ends well... :) I've reworked the draft, and I was wondering if any of you would be so good as to look at my citations for me to see if they're okay?

I added most of them as cite web, because I wasn't 100% on how I should do them. I think a couple of them should maybe be news instead, and there's one which is an exhibition catalogue, which I couldn't find a template for.

In the process of the deletion, there was also a flag of it being a COI, because my username is similar to the article subject's husband, and it was my only article. I did contest it, but didn't want to get dragged into a whole thing... Anyway - In the course of that, I did email the artist looking for extra info, so now apparently I am a COI! Is there anything extra I should do due to this before moving it to the main space? The only extra update I need to make is to go take some photos of my own so I can legitimately upload them.

Thanks so much for all your help, you guys have been mega so far! Wil57 (talk) 23:46, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh - this is the article Draft:BerriBlue Wil57 (talk) 23:47, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

• • Wil57, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, whilst I haven’t looked at the draft article, here’s a few things, for referencing properly please see WP:REFB & WP:CITE. Considering COI, please see WP:COI, Furthermore I believe it is my duty as a host to tell you your rights, whilst a COI is frowned upon, you are strongly advised not to create an article but you may choose to do so insofar as you have followed WP:COIDISCLOSE, you are however need to be quite careful, if it is determined that your sole presence on Wikipedia is to promote a subject of an article you may face sanctions, please see WP:SPA, WP:ADVERT, WP:ADMASQ and what Wikipedia is WP:NOT. Feel free to ask as many questions as you want to, a host is always readily available to attend to you. Celestina007 (talk) 00:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

How to get emails on Wikipedia election notifications?

 LostCitrationHunter (talk) 17:07, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@LostCitrationHunter: This isn't the appropriate place to ask a question like this (Unless you're referring to arb com elections or something). Do you have a question about actually editing Wikipedia? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:57, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

I think it's safe to assume he means ArbCom elections. (And possibly RfA's/RfB's, which are not elections but are close to elections.) @LostCitrationHunter - [5] is probably what you want, and additionally I would add watchlisting Template:Centralized_discussion to the list of "things you should do" if you want to recieve notification about wiki-wide important discussions casualdejekyll 19:24, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes i meant exactly that, thanks. so any relevant updates comes in the page you shared? (also i have updated the title to better reflect my intentions)--LostCitrationHunter (talk) 11:58, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

appropriate use of flags

where is the use of country/territory flags appropriate? is it appropriate to use them in locations on infoboxes or no? please let me know as much as you can about the use of flags, thank you very much in advance :) ExtremelyUniqueUsername (talk) 11:03, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi ExtremelyUniqueUsername,

We have a written guideline about it in the Manual of Style: MOS:FLAGS. For inforboxes, the answer from there is "virtually never, except in military conflicts or sports competitions". DMacks (talk) 12:40, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Can anyone help me creating an article

 116.72.128.97 (talk) 05:15, 24 February 2022 (UTC) I know how to edit but I don't know how to create an article so can anyone please help me

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! This article will be of great help Help:Your first article. Please be aware that creating an article is a huge effort for unexperienced editors and that you should get experience first with smaller tasks before. GavriilaDmitriev (talk) 05:57, 24 February 2022 (UTC). Ok I understood thanks for telling me — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.72.128.97 (talk • contribs)

Since you are an anonymous user, you cannot create new articles directly, due to some technical restrictions. However, you are still able to create articles via the Articles for Creation process. If you don’t want to go through the hassle of that, you can simply create an account, make 10 constructive edits, wait 4 days, and then you can create an article. Also, I would highly suggest that you read H:YFA. Hopefully this helps. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 15:11, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Reviewing Draft

Hello, can an editor possibly review my draft, making suggestions as appropriate? Draft:New_Forest_Pride --Shickman98 (talk) 14:09, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Shickman98: I doesn't seem notable yet (WP:N + WP:ORG). Based on the draft, the organization is (or rather: should be?) known by the single event only. What's worse, the event which didn't even happen yet (WP:CRYSTAL).

I'm afraid it's a lot of work to be done (mainly by the organization itself, only then by Wikipedia editors) before the draft becomes acceptable to the main space.

But I do not review drafts for promotion to articles. Let's wait and hear opinions from potential reviewers. --CiaPan (talk) 15:16, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I do. I did. I see WP:TOOSOON. May it grow and become notable. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 15:24, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

running

Can someone come and look at Draft:List of longest running film series and franchise it was submission 7 weeks ago 92.236.253.249 (talk) 14:36, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP! I looked at your Draft and it seems fine, however the Teahouse is not here to help you jump the queue for AFC. Remember, there is no deadline. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:46, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft is already waiting for review, so please be patient. If you need any help with your draft, you are welcome to ask.

--The Tips of Apmh 14:48, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! While you are waiting for a review, you could add italics for the film titles, fix the red cite errors, and convert the bare URLs to full citations. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:19, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

I think the Draft will pass muster but I suggest you upgrade the references that currently say things like "Archived copy. Archived from the original" to show the original title. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:10, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

How do you make good refs?

How do you make properly cited refs? Is there a Wikipedia tool that does it automatically, or do most editors do it manually? --Sorry sir, that's classified information (talk) 22:10, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Sorry sir, that's classified information, welcome to the Teahouse!

I don't really know whether most editors do it manually or automatically, but you should check out Referencing for beginners, a page that introduces refs and talks about some common templates, as well as RefToolbar, a feature of the editor that can help making refs. casualdejekyll 22:17, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

HI @Sorry sir, that's classified information. See the referencing sections at Help:Introduction, the Wikipedia tutorial. You can find out how to do it whether using the Visual Editor or the source editor. StarryGrandma (talk) 00:47, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Sorry sir, that's classified information If you are going to do a lot of editing using journal articles as sources, I recommend activating the Wikipedia:Citation expander, which creates citations from doi, isbn and URL. Hence you can avoid articles having, even temporarily, poor citations like this one you added until it was changed in this diff. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:30, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Account question

Hello just wondering wikipedians Hosters i was wondering for my account back, also can I publish my own alternative world? --Cluster Lyn (talk) 11:51, 25 February 2022 (UTC) Cluster Lyn (talk) 11:51, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Cluster Lyn: I am not sure if I understand your question right. If you mean how to log in to what appears to be your original account Cluster Lynn (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), it does not seem to have specified an email adress in its preferences (or it wasn't confirmed), so if you don't remember the password, there is no way to recover it. In that case I strongely reccomend that you set an email for this account and confirm it, so that this doesn't happen again. If you still remember the password of the original account, please log out of this account and then log into the old one. The tip of adding an email adress still applies. If you don't want to get emails from other users, simply turn that option off after specifiying an email adress.

As far as publishing your alternate world, Wikipedia is not the correct place for this. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:27, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Victor I have another thing.Cluster Lyn (talk) 12:47, 25 February 2022 (UTC) of you.Cluster Lyn (talk) 12:48, 25 February 2022 (UTC) please check this page Draft:worldbox (God Simulation game) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cluster Lyn (talk • contribs) 12:50, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Cluster Lyn: It seems as if that page does not exist because the link you provided is red. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:53, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:WorldBox_(God_Simulation_game) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cluster Lyn (talk • contribs) 12:53, 25 February 2022 (UTC) Cluster Lyn (talk) 12:58, 25 February 2022 (UTC)is it good?Cluster Lyn (talk) 12:58, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Cluster Lyn: It looks like a lot of the sources in there are either unreliable or primary sources. Things must be back with independent reliable sources so that an article can pass WP:GNG and be considered notable. Also please don’t forget to sign of your messages with your signature by putting 4 tildes waves at the end of your message like this ~~~~ ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:58, 25 February 2022 (UTCe)

Cluster Lyn, what's the meaning of "high wealthy areas"? Who says it's "interesting"? What do you mean by "Very Popular"? Etc. -- Hoary (talk) 13:01, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

in the steam it has a lot of good comments.Cluster Lyn (talk) 13:03, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

SITUATION: User:Cluster Lynn created on 24 Feb, 7 article edits and a one-sentence draft, not submitted. User:Cluster Lyn created 25 Feb, one draft (Draft:WorldBox (God Simulation game)), not submitted, and this Teahouse query. The game draft could have potential as an article only if there are people independent of you (the game creator?) who have published articles with lenghty content about the game. Favorable user comment at Steam (service) have no value whatsoever as references. My own opinion is that this is WP:TOOSOON.— Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 17:20, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Why do the articles for Belarus and the Ukraine have Extended Confirmed Protection on them?

Why shouldn't those articles be Semi-Protected? Though it is a good idea to place Semi-Protection on nations/countries, as they could easily be targeted by Vandalism on Wikipedia, and they also have long and troublesome demographics (and history), and to give Extended Confirmed Protection to to nations like the Arab world, India, and Turkey seems correct, as those nations all have a more familiar and acknowledged History, Culture, and Demographics, unlike these two nations, which are both are not as power nor great as Russia, one of the three East Slavic nations. Additionally, wouldn't it be better if Russia had Extended confirmed protection? IDunno0things (talk) 20:04, 24 February 2022

@IDunno0things - Welcome to the Teahouse! - the EC protection is because of vandalism related to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Protection has nothing to do with level of "familiar and acknowledged History", but instead everything to do with level of vandalism. An admin found that Semi-protection did not dissuade vandals on these articles,, and put EC protection on it. casualdejekyll 20:15, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@casualdejekyll, another thing I'd like to know that i wasn't really answered was, may you please tell me why Belarus has Extended confirmed Protection? Thank you for telling me. IDunno0things (talk) 17:48, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Casualdejekyll: Actually they were protected per WP:ARBEE ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:16, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@IDunno0things: The topic area has been a powderkeg for well over a decade at this point, and semi-protection generally doesn't work in a topic area where partisans won't shut up and can't change the subject. Palestine/Israel is the same way. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 20:21, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

You can use Special:Log to check why any particular article is protected. Here is the entry for Belarus: [6], which has been protected since 2018 RudolfRed (talk) 20:23, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

fixing ping to @IDunno0things: RudolfRed (talk) 20:30, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

entry for a scholarly journal - issue with sources

PAGE BEING DENIED FOR SOURCES, BUT THERE ARE NO SOURCES Pacothesheepdog (talk) 14:24, 25 February 2022 (UTC) Hello, I am writing because I am working on the page for a scholarly journal, Atlantic Studies: Global Currents. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Atlantic_Studies:_Global_Currents Editors are saying the page needs verifiable sources. Unfortunately, that's not possible because a scholarly journal IS a source. Scholars publish their work IN it, they do not write ABOUT it. What can I do to get the page live? Thank you so much.

Hello Pacothesheepdog and welcome to the Teahouse, you can still site journals using Template:Cite journal. I would suggest reading Help:Referencing for beginners. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 14:39, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Pacothesheepdog Wikipedia has to set limits on what subjects can have articles, since otherwise everyone on the planet and every company and every newspaper and journal could have an article and the encyclopaedia would be swamped. Hence it sets out a threshold called notability to define what can be accepted. If no-one is writing about the journal then it is unlikely to meet the specific guidelines for acceptance detailed at WP:NJOURNAL. Read that carefully to see if you can meet the criteria. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:34, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Content has to be referenced with in-line refs (embedded in the text, which automatically creates the references undr References). If there are no articles about the journal, no article. David notMD (talk) 18:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Polite query for someone in the women in red project group to read and advise on a draft page on US environmentalist

I have created a page in VisualEditor in my sandbox for the red linked Carol Van Strom. I am a beginner and so although I have done my best to do citations, reference list, internal and external links and categories, I am sure I have made a lot of mistakes. If someone had the patience to help me improve my draft, I would be grateful. Balance person (talk) 11:15, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Balance person, welcome! Did you consider asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:17, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa SångThanks I think I may have found someone but if not, I will follow your kind suggestion!Balance person (talk) 12:21, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Balance person: Looks like Carol Van Strum has been accepted and rated as "C" class, which is a very impressive achievement for a new editor. You might now like to nominate it for a DYK on the Main Page, which would raise its profile. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:19, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Mike Turnbull (talk) Thank you for your very positive comment about the CVS article. I am at a low skill level as yet so although I have read the DYK page now, it is still a bit beyond me. But thank you for the suggestion! Balance person (talk) 18:23, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Fictional character (junior and senior)

I have recently created an article of Kanan Stark, a fictional character from the crime television series Power (and spin-off & sequel Power Book II: Ghost), the article is mainly focused on the senior version of the character as it is already done (killed off) in series, and senior's storyline has just began on the second spin-off and prequel Power Book III: Raising Kanan and still developing. My question is, should there be two separate articles of the character which will then later be merged when the story of junior Kanan is done or has developed enough? Neo the Twin (talk) 04:02, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Neo the Twin: I would say no. For example we have the article Darth Vader, but we do not have a separate article for Anakin Skywalker. They are in the same article as they are the same person. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:43, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Neo the Twin: in the article you created it looks like their are a lot of unreliable sources in it. Make sure your information is backed with independent reliable sources like you have with Insider and entertainment weekly. I would also look at Help:YFA. Happy editing! ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:47, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Kaleeb18, seems like I've always blundered when coming to reliable sources, I have a problem with that and choosing the right ones, I have gone through the First Article guidelines but I seem to just can't get it right, I'd appreciate it if you help with that. Neo the Twin (talk) 12:57, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Neo the Twin, please bear in mind that for many imaginable article subjects, substantive, reliable sources simply do not exist. -- Hoary (talk) 13:13, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Hoary, thanks, I'll keep improving the article. Neo the Twin (talk) 13:36, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Neo the Twin: Yes Hoary is right, but we still must use reliable sources. To know if a sources is reliable or not actually becomes quite simple once you’ve learned a few things. A blog or anything like a blog is most all the time unreliable. primary sources are usually unacceptable except under a few circumstances. There is a list of commonly brought up websites and their reliability at WP:RSP. You can also ask about the reliability of a website at WP:RSN unless it is most obviously unreliable (like a blog). ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 13:37, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Kaleeb18, I know better than to cite blogs and primary sources (beside official websites and only under certain circumstances), I've been around for quite some time to know that for every subject at least three independent reliable sources MUST be cited to verify the notability of the subject (of which you earlier mentioned in your first reply). Neo the Twin (talk) 13:48, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Neo the Twin: If you're referring to WP:THREE, it is an essay and by no means a policy or a guideline. It is strongly recommended to make reviewers' lives easier, but it isn't required. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:25, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Charlie Lee

Yes I am editing Charlie Lee (Computer Scientist) with what HE posted on Twitter saying he has a "Hazy Memory" and I was just sayin he wants to go see a doctor I am sure he will know what I mean and approve it 86.24.226.37 (talk) 19:29, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

You're adding personal commentary to the article. That is not acceptable. And that is why you keep being reverted. Keep that up and you'll likely be blocked. Just stick to objective facts that are encyclopedically relevant, preferably cited to secondary source coverage, not cited to the subject himself. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:50, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Question

How do you make a subscript? Reckitdor (talk) 19:23, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Reckitdor: Use the html <sub> tag. See https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_sub.asp for guidance. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:52, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Why Wikipedia the biggest Encyclopedia doesn't have Trivia?

Moved from Talk:Wikipedia § Why Wikipedia the biggest Encyclopedia doesn't have Trivia?

Why does Wikipedia the biggest Encyclopedia doesn't have Trivia? 😥😥 (Kinda rhymes isn't it?). I'm kinda used to Fandom and Fandom has trivia, and my favorite part of Fandom's page is Trivia. 210.185.171.187 (talk) 13:28, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Fandom is not Wikipedia. Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia. Fandom is a wiki-farm. and Fandom wikis can have whatever they want. Extensive trivia is considered unencyclopedic - see Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. casualdejekyll 13:45, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

As a Fandom editor, the issue with most Wiki's on Fandom is they have no sources whatsoever, and that includes the Trivia sections. Here on Wikipedia, the trivia that would be included on Fandom Wiki isn't usually notable enough to deserve a mention. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:14, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

And what trivia is sourced would probably be better presented as a normal part of the article. I can't tell you how many times I've read a Fandom wiki article with a trivia section that just repeats points already made clear by the article itself. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 10:45, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Also see WP:TRIVIA for guidance.

And trivia generally doesn't belong in the Fandom wikis either, for the same reason it doesn't belong here. The Minecraft Wiki, for example, has trivia guidelines too, and I often remove trivia from articles to be compliant with that guideline. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:01, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I mean, that might be because the Minecraft Wiki used to be the official Minecraft Wiki before Microsoft decided to make it unofficial, but that's besides the point. Actually I would say that depends on the Wiki you are looking at. Some Wikis have very lax rules, while others are more strict. That's merely the nature of Fandom. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:42, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Help

I cannot remove the tag that says </includeonly> From my userpage please help FelixAnon (talk) 20:37, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello @FelixAnon: I think I have fixed the problem. I do not even think you need the noinclude or include. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 21:10, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

how come my linked text won't show up as blue?

 MCB2022 (talk) 20:36, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse MCB2022, the link that you made appears as red because there is not article on the text you linked it to. There can be several reasons why there is a need to use red links and other reasons why not to so see WP:REDLINK. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 21:13, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

because the page has not been created — Preceding unsigned comment added by FelixAnon (talk • contribs) 20:38, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Looking for articles to improve related to Fiddle faddle

Hello wikipedians , i am a editor looking for any articles needing improving regarding Fiddle faddle , and other Adminastrators i would like to edit and help articles daily or more then Normal 1,099 Articles published each day. --Fbhnhernhf (talk) 16:11, 24 February 2022 (UTC) Fbhnhernhf (talk) 16:11, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Fbhnhernhf: Welcome to the Teahouse! Are you referring to the popcorn Fiddle Faddle or Fiddle Faddle (musical composition) or User:Fiddle Faddle or something else? GoingBatty (talk) 16:22, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

The User Fiddle faddle or meant as another person on the wiki. --Fbhnhernhf (talk) 16:24, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Why would you need to improve articles related to Timtrent's alt account? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:25, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

i wanted to ask fiddle faddle for articles for improvements Blazewolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} Fbhnhernhf (talk) 16:29, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Ah ok. You can do so at User talk:Timtrent (since Fiddle Faddle is their alt). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:30, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Also, for simplicity, when replying to me just use {{ping|Blaze Wolf}} instead of attempting to copy my name from my signature.― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:31, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

also why do you need to do your name Fancy? Fbhnhernhf (talk) 16:33, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

It's my signature. I don't need to, it just looks nice. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:33, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

like also you and like all teahouse and Adminastrators on the wikipedia do the fancy thingy Fbhnhernhf (talk) 16:34, 24 February 2022 (UTC) Even Panini and Fiddle faddle and others.

I'd like for you to read WP:VALIDALT since you have stated on your userpage that User:DemonymsPlayer is your main account. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:37, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

so you read my user page ey mate? Fbhnhernhf (talk) 16:38, 24 February 2022 (UTC) i have also can you do a clean start for my user? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fbhnhernhf (talk • contribs) 16:40, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes because i was seeing if you're from another country that isn't english speaking because your English isn't really the best (no offense to you, just makes it a little hard to understand you). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:42, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

im doing a math test i'll talk to you at 3:00AM UTC-3 flordia. Fbhnhernhf (talk) 16:44, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't think Florida is in UTC -3 but ok ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:45, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

UTC-3 is pretty much the Atlantic ocean and bits of Brazil. Florida is -5 right now, and -4 during the summer. casualdejekyll 17:40, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure part of Florida is in UTC -6, -5 in the summer, but that's irrelevant. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:56, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Ok.. so, something's off here.
1. This person claims to be an elementary school student and therefore should read Wikipedia:Advice for younger editors. There's nothing wrong with that, but still.
2. They say Timtrent is "and other administrators". Timtrent actually has a very long and thorough explanation of the fact they are not an administrator on their userpage. ("this short set of thoughts", yeah, sure buddy)
3. Florida is not in UTC 3, and even if it was 3 AM seems to be a very inconvenient time for someone who is less then 12 years old.

I, uh, what? casualdejekyll 18:21, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Does anyone mind if I express a generic WTF? They could write a draft article about me if they wish, but I fail WP:BIO by a country mile. If they want a list of stuff to do, way back when I was an amoeba there was a way of getting prompts about stuff to do ion their user talk page. The edit summary when this editor created their user page seems to link them to DemonymsPlayer whose talk page I have posted on. I declined Draft:Center Lake Park at AFC. Might they be seeking to learn how to improve a draft? Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 18:33, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Timtrent - The English is borderline incomprehensible, but as far as I can tell they quite literally wanted to write 1099 articles about you. I mean, if I were you I'd be flattered, but as you said, not close to WP:BIO standards at all. casualdejekyll 19:18, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Casualdejekyll maybe I'll get some sales of my self published book, out of it! I sell a couple a month now, so I'll soon know! I shall feel quietly flattered, I guess. It all seems rather bizarre, though. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 19:30, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

• @Fbhnhernhf: Is there a reason why you aren't using your first account, User:DemonymsPlayer? --Jayron32 18:30, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

hello I'm back DemonymsPlayer (talk) 20:26, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@DemonymsPlayer, @Fbhnhernhf, please tell me, since you refer to me, what this is all about. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 15:25, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Timtrent: Maybe the proposal is to create articles about each Administrator (hence the 1,099)? Which is a total non-starter. David notMD (talk) 18:22, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD Well, since I'm not one, that has to mean 1098. How many admins do we have, though? And every day? Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 19:29, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

It's worth noting that despite the fact the user claimed they would be back at 3 AM, they responded at what is presumably 3 PM their timezone, since they claim to live in Florida and posted their elementary school in a since-oversighted edit. casualdejekyll 20:03, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Timtrent According to Wikipedia:List of administrators, count is 1055, of which a bit fewer than half are quite active. This who do not participate in more than a year are delisted. David notMD (talk) 20:12, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

That is a very tiny number for the work that has to be done. Why did folk make RfA so huge a process? Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 22:35, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Uh.. because being an admin is a big responsibility? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 22:37, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Being an admin is Wikipedia:NOBIGDEAL. casualdejekyll 22:42, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not saying that. I know it's not a big deal. But RFA is a huge process so that only those who are actually worthy of being an admin (as in they can be trusted with the tools) can become one. If people who aren't completely ready (but aren't necessarily people who have bad interests) to be an admin become one that can lead to some messes that will require cleaning up (yes I know even admins make mistakes sometimes, but probably fewer mistakes than if they weren't ready to be an admin). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 22:46, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Archbishop Tenisons school

Hello I have tried to add a notable ex pupil of Archbishop Tenisons Grammar School. Keith Harris attended Archbishop Tenisons Grammar School from 1966-1971 He won the Hairdressers Journal Avant Garde Hairdresser of the year 3 times and therefore was added to their Hall of fame in 1997 - This can be backed up with The wikipedia page on The Hairdressers Journal. He was a magnificent hairdresser and dressed the hair of multiple celebrities of the time. He is more than worthy to be on this page and feel that the page would be much the better for his addition.---- Completeterry (talk) 17:20, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Completeterry: do you have a reliable sources to back this up, because other Wikipedia pages are not sources. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 17:54, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

[Edit Conflict] Hello Completeterry from someone else named Terry! You may notice that every entry (bar one*) in that list is a blue link to a Wikipedia article about the named person. Articles exist about those people because they have been assessed as "Notable" in the special Wikipedia meaning of that term, and by definition therefore are sufficiently notable as to be included in the list. This is usual for all similar lists in Wikipedia articles.

The best way to get Keith Harris accepted on the list is to first create an article about him (which will have to demonstrate his notability with references to suitable WP:Reliable sources), and then add his name linked to that article. Please understand that "worthiness" (or any other quality, good or bad) is not a criterion for whether someone (or something) qualifies for a Wikipedia article, the only criterion is their "notability", which really means "enough has been written about them, independently of them, and published in Reliable sources, on which to base an article." Be aware that Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source.

* There was one name not blue-linked in the list. I have changed it to a red link (i.e. 'linked' to an as-yet nonexistent article) because the person is already mentioned in several other Wikipedia articles, which suggests they may be notable enough for an article to be written about them. Red links are understood as a signal of this, and if such an article is created they will automatically become blue links. You could re-add Keith Harris and red link the name, but at right now you probably know more (and care more) about Keith Harris than any other Wikipedia editor, so you would be the best person to create the article. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.209.121.1 (talk) 18:09, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Keith Harris is listed for 1997 at Hairdressers Journal International, but a wikipedia article cannot be a reference. Note: only one of the names in that list is blue, i.e., an existing article, and the list itself is not referenced. David notMD (talk) 18:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

moved from my talk page ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 18:28, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Keith Harris' fame and stature can be seen in this one man show put on by Wella in 2019 - https://respectyou.me/portfolio-item/keith-harris-presents-at-wella-world-studio/ Also. https://www.hji.co.uk/inspiration/life-through-lens-keith-harris/ Please look at this for proof of Hairdressing Hall of Fame - 1997. https://www.hji.co.uk/british-hairdressing-awards/british-hairdressing-awards-hall-of-fame/ Keith Harris appearance on this page is long overdue. He was a and still is an iconic fantastic hairdresser from the most humble of beginnings.---- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Completeterry (talk • contribs) 18:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Completeterry Order of work: Only after a draft about Keith Harris is written and accepted can his name be in blue at the hairdressers' hall of fame and at Archbishop Tenison's school as notable. David notMD (talk) 19:24, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn't completely agree with that. Providing that one or more citations to one or more reliable source(s) shows this person might be notable because of how those sources cover that person, then a redlink in 'Notable alumni' section is fine by me. But no good sources; no entry. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:19, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Tilde Script

Hey, just wondering, could you alter the script of the four tildes to make it so that it could change to a different style?

For example, like this : WellThisIsTheReaper.

If so, could you kindly instruct me how to do so?

Cheers, --WellThisIsTheReaper 23:53, 24 February 2022

@WellThisIsTheReaper: Click on preferences, scroll down to your signature, copy and paste the code for your signature (including the link to your talk page please), click the check box that says "Treat the above as wiki markup" and then save. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:57, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: Alright, thanks! --WellThisIsTheReaper 00:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@WellThisIsTheReaper: No problem! Glad I Could help! ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:09, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Also, please don't remove Celestina's response for no reason. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:10, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

• • • WellThisIsTheReaper, Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, if you need more information on signature customization, you may find WP:CUSTOMSIG helpful. Celestina007 (talk) 00:05, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:FANCYSIG, actually. There's been some confusion about this before: see Wikipedia_talk:Teahouse#Discussion_at_WP:Signatures casualdejekyll 00:09, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Casualdejekyll, same difference, generally WP:FANCYSIG falls under WP:CUSTOMSIG. Celestina007 (talk) 00:46, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Oops, that was a response to comment that got deleted. Disregard casualdejekyll 00:11, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

THe user who answered the question removed the comment, which they shouldn't have done― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:12, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Blaze Wolf, “THe user who answered the question removed the comment. I answered the question and I definitely did not remove any comment . Apparently someone else (they), WP:REFACTOR'ed and did. so. Celestina007 (talk) 00:26, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Celestina007: Whoops I meant the user who asked the question not answered. My bad. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:38, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

No worries, that was a rather odd edit on their part. perhaps an error, I have permanently added them to my watchlist to check for potential problematic edits. Celestina007 (talk) 00:42, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Celestina007 - Crucially, they link to different parts of the same section, and while WP:CUSTOMSIG links to the section as a whole, WP:FANCYSIG links to the part specifically about making your signature colorful for everyone, where as CUSTOMSIG links to the top of the section, to the part about changing your .css/.js to display your username differently just for you (which IMHO has been completely superseded by things like Wikipedia:Convenient Discussions and should probably be listed after the part about changing your sig, and also the two links should be at the same place.) It's all very confusing and it really should be changed. Actually, screw it. I'm doing it myself. Boom, WP:FANCYSIG is now above the part about just for you. casualdejekyll 00:49, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

casualdejekyll, my thinking is, arguing lexical ambiguity now is rather moot. It is my thinking that we have answered the question asked by the user, thus our duty here is done, which is what is paramount, Semantics and modulations can be done in a different avenue. Peace Profound. Celestina007 (talk) 00:59, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Celestina007: Hey, check my talk page for my explanation. Thanks, --WellThisIsTheReaper 23:28, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Joined today | Need suggestions

I was considering joining Wikipedia. I finally joined today. I am a traveller (and am fortunate to have my own travel agency 😊🙏). Please let me know how I can I contribute here. I've genuine data of so many places. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveVOo0y (talk • contribs) 13:39, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Ok, four tildes😊! Noted with thanks. LoveVOo0y (talk) 13:42, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Well, welcome to Wikipedia LoveVOo0y! One thing you must know that new users don’t really know is that on Wikipedia we try to back all the info we put in articles with reliables sources and not just any random blog. Also, Wikipedia does not accept any original research. If you are looking to create an article I would suggest waiting until you get some more experience as an editor. Happy editing! ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 13:44, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Traveling allows me to expand my knowledge. I have a history degree. Those are definitely something I'll pay attention to. Could you kindly help me in understanding your internal policies? In any case, I'm looking for what. I am a quick learned but don't want to do mistakes in a new platform. LoveVOo0y (talk) 13:51, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, LoveVOo0y, welcome to the community! If you need some introduction, I'd suggest to start from:

• Wikipedia:Five pillars to quickly grasp what Wikipedia is;
• Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not – obvious; and then
• Wikipedia:Core content policies – what we need to do (or not do) to keep us on the IS side and not to deviate toward IS NOT.

Happy editing! --CiaPan (talk) 14:11, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Are you interested in photography? There are lots of articles about places and things that could benefit from high-quality pictures. There are some lists of pages that others have tagged specifically requesting pictures, but new and novel images are generally welcome (though we try not to overload articles with them). DMacks (talk) 14:11, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Photographs need to be what you yourself have taken, not downloaded from websites, as that infringes copyright.

LoveVOo0y A suggestion: start by looking at articles about locations you know well. Scan for wrong or outdated content. Fix or add stuff, always using reliable source references. (Hint: Use your own Sandbox to learn how to reference properly before attempting to add references directly to articles.) Looking at Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle will be helpful, as will looking at the Talk pages of location articles to get an understanding of previous discussions. David notMD (talk) 17:29, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

LoveVOo0y If you are lucky enough to travel to places and want to know if there are Wikipedia articles about interesting features nearby, and whether or not they have photos in them already (and whether you have some you could usefully upload), then there is a wonderful tool called Copernix which maps the locations of Wikipedia articles. So, imagining that you were a deranged Russian leader who had planned to visit Kyiv and wanted to find out what interesting Wikipedia articles there were about that magnificent, and now tragic, city you could click here to learn more. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:31, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Requesting assistance with updates to law firm page

Hi, I'm in marketing with Thompson Coburn LLP. I just created a new Talk section requesting outdated information to be removed. If an editor could assist, that would be great, thanks! Spencecomms (talk) 23:32, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Spencecomms: hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I'm sorry to say that if a reliable sources is backing up the information we cannot just simply remove old news just because it's old. Also since you are related to the company I would suggest that you don't edit the article as you have a conflict of interest (COI) with the company, but you have done the right thing by asking here. Happy editing! ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 23:45, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Central American Mint (C.A.M.) Article

Proposed C.A.M. Article: I plan to write a short article about the Central American Mint, a coin production facility that existed in San Salvador, El Salvador from 1892 to 1896. After 1896, coins with the "C.A.M." mint mark were produced by foreign mints under contract by El Salvador until 1914. Wikipedia articles exist for the Salvadoran peso, Salvadoran colón, and several worldwide mints - as well as all of the mints that produced coins for El Salvador. I wish to complete this set. Will this article pass Wikipedia's notability criteria? Arthur6Morgan (talk) 21:58, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Arthur6Morgan, and welcome to the Teahouse. The only way to determine whether a subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability or not is to search for independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the subject. Since you are the one who wishes to write an article on the CAM, it is up to you to find these sources. If you cite your three or four best sources here, people may be willing to look at them and say whether or not they think they are adequate; but it is not likely that any Teahouse hosts will be willing to go searching for the sources. --ColinFine (talk) 22:53, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Colin. My primary reference will be Numismatic History of El Salvador in the Nineteenth Century Vol II by Roberto Jovel. He dedicates a chapter to the C.A.M. He also compiled coin production data in a separate paper titled GUIDE TO IDENTIFY COINS SALVADOREAN CIRCULATION 1889 TO 2000, which is available online. Needless to say, this subject is very esoteric. Roberto Jovel seems to be the most knowledgeable person on this subject. Other works are available, but they are all derived from Roberto Jovel's work. Bottom line, I will not be able to cite three or four independent sources. I reviewed Roberto Jovel's bibliography. He cites publications written by himself. There is no information about the C.A.M. on Wikipedia. Perhaps I should just augment the existing article on the Salvadoran colón? Would that be a better approach? Arthur6Morgan (talk) 05:34, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Arthur6Morgan, based on [7], Lambert Academic Publishing and WP:SPS that book is not the best of sources. Consider checking some of the hits at [8]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:59, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

[9] should count for a WP:GNG-point. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:09, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Gråbergssång. I didn't know about LAP's reputation, although I did pay over a 100 bucks for Mr. Jovel's "book"! I'm working with a gentleman in San Salvador who represents a numismatic society focused on the C.A.M. I hope he comes back with other reference sources, such as local newspapers and magazines. Unfortunately, Mr. Jovel is quite the scholar and a wealth of information on an obscure topic. - Arthur6Morgan (talk) 20:32, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Arthur6Morgan I get the impression from the books listed here [10] that he has published on the topic in reliable sources, which would make him ok per WP:SPS. I don't think there'll be loud protests if you use his book. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:08, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång: I will avoid using the LAP book and go directly to references in Mr. Jovel's bibliography. LAP has a really nasty reputation. Thanks so much for your guidance! -Arthur6Morgan (talk) 23:49, 25 February 2022 (UTC).

DYK nominations

Can we add Featured Articles without 5x increase for Did you know nominations? MynameisShaun (talk) 02:23, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@MynameisShaun: Hello and welcome to the Teahpuse, according to WP:DYKRULES it looks like you cannot. Also please make sure to make a section header next time you ask a question. Happy editing! ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 02:28, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks MynameisShaun (talk) 02:34, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@MynameisShaun: No problem, us Teahouse host are always here to answer your questions. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 03:08, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

MynameisShaun My understanding is that Featured Articles don't go into the DYK section of the Main Page but have their own section on that page at top left. You can request that a FA be included in the queue to be displayed by going to WP:TFAR. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:51, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I will try it here MynameisShaun (talk) 00:24, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Protecting an Image

How do I protect an Image in the source editing? I couldn't find the option. MynameisShaun (talk) 00:51, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@MynameisShaun - What do you mean by protecting an image? casualdejekyll 00:53, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@MynameisShaun - Can you please elaborate? As far as I know, there's no feature of the software called protecting an image, so can you describe what you want to do? casualdejekyll 00:57, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@MynameisShaun: Hello Shaun and welcome to the Teahouse! You cannot protect pages yourself, you can only request an admin to do so at WP:RFPP. Even then, images rarely ever require protection since they are usually low traffic pages so vandals don't usually come across them. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:57, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Attention Please be careful when editing the today's featured article section. Do not add images unless you have personally vetted them for appropriateness and copyright concerns, and if you are adding an image to a protected template, remember to protect the image before saving the template. Minor text amendments are fine, but remember that the main page defers to the articles – information not supported by the article should not be added. If a change is likely to be controversial, defer on it until consensus can be established.

This is from the Featured article requests. MynameisShaun (talk) 00:56, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh! This is about editing the Main Page. Why do you want to do that, @MynameisShaun? casualdejekyll 00:58, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Just wanted to see my article coming to the front page. MynameisShaun (talk) 01:00, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Er, for one, read WP:OWN, and for two, what article? casualdejekyll 01:01, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Ok, so, the only article you've created I can find is Draft:Dean Whitestone. This article is a stub with no images, so not only is it nowhere near featured article standards, it doesn't even have an image, so why would one need to protect it? You also are not adding it to a protected template, and regardless, protection can only be done by admins, and is not done in the source editor. @MynameisShaun casualdejekyll 01:04, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay I will do it after creating more articles. Thanks for your help. MynameisShaun (talk) 01:12, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Quality, not quantity, is the ideal. casualdejekyll 01:16, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Sure, I will make a better article 😀. MynameisShaun (talk) 01:18, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Good luck! casualdejekyll 01:22, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks MynameisShaun (talk) 01:24, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Creditable source tells me name is mispelled in article title

I've determined that a person's name in an existing article title is mispelled, due to an "internet error" based on checking in with a more reliable source on the correct spelling. How should I go about correcting it? The article title is "Beverly Loraine Greene" but I am assured it should be "Lorraine." I received the following reply when I checked up on it "The spelling of Lorraine for Beverly Lorraine Greene should definitely be with two "r"'s. The spelling in our profile is intentional. Roberta Washington, who was the author of the profile, explained to me the source of the original error. I'm copying her as well, should you need a fuller explanation." Fothergilla (talk) 21:50, 22 February 2022 (UTC) Fothergilla (talk) 21:50, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@Fothergilla: Welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at the Beverly Loraine Greene article, I some sources use "Loraine" and others use "Lorraine". I suggest you discuss this at the article's talk page: Talk:Beverly Loraine Greene. Be sure to provide reliable published sources, and more details on the profile you mentioned above. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:34, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@Fothergilla: I also see that Beverly Lorraine Greene and Beverly L. Greene are redirects to the article, so people searching by those variations will find the article. GoingBatty (talk) 22:37, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @GoingBatty. I have put comment out on Talk and hope to hear some people weigh in. My sources sent me a picture in the subject's own handwriting from the registrar at Columbia and these folks have really done a deep dive in reserching for the new article in Pioneering Women in Archecture, so I trust them. From a process perspective, what happens if no one replies, e.g., for a month. Can I unilaterally start on fixing it? Still need to understand the mechanics as I assume a page move would be required Fothergilla (talk) 22:47, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@Fothergilla: The research sent to you by your sources cannot be used as a reference, but their article published in Pioneering Women of American Architecture can be used, because it meets Wikipedia's standards for verifiability. If no one replies to your talk page post, e.g., for a month, you can submit a request to WP:Requested moves. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:58, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

The page has since been moved by Rosiestep (correctly in my view due the Pioneering Women... source).

GoingBatty, I do not think a talk page post would really have been productive in that case. It is likely that few people watch the page, and among those who do, it is unlikely that any would object. Therefore, once reliable sources are found, a bold move can be performed without waiting for confirmation; if (and only if) someone reverts/objects, then a talk page discussion could be started. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:09, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, everybody (I mean: Fothergilla, GoingBatty, Tigraan and Rosiestep)!

Once the article has been moved, can anybody swap or merge talk pages (keeping their history)?

• Talk:Beverly Lorraine Greene
• Talk:Beverly Loraine Greene

CiaPan (talk) 15:28, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@CiaPan: A user must be autoconfirmed to move a page. Only administrators can merge page histories. GoingBatty (talk) 16:12, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, GoingBatty. I've just added appropriate Merge-to/from templates to both talk pages. --CiaPan (talk) 16:24, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

The deed has been done! ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:42, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikidata standardised templates

Wikidata standardised templates Hi all. I'm not new around here, and this question maybe belongs over on Meta. I'm an admin and 'crat over on the Irish Wikipedia. We're using WikiData templates on article stubs, which allows us to instantly provide a lot of detail on biographical subjects - w:ga:Karin Boye, as a typical example.

The problems I'm having is that some of the sub-templates we pull in are elusive to me. For example, w:ga:Stuart Olding. You can see here that {{Teimpléad:WD Bosca Sonraí Duine/sport/rugbaí}} isn't being transcluded correctly, and will need to be scratch-built, including having the correct fields built out in the localized language with the right WikiData records. This is a bit above my pay grade (€0 - ha!), and I could really use some deep technical advice on getting this stuff going for our wiki. I suspect this is a common issue across Wikis of other languages.

Can anyone help, or maybe point me in the generally correct direction? Alison ^❤ 19:22, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Alison This page is only for the English Wikipedia, sorry. I don't speak Irish and there doesn't appear to be an Irish teahouse. casualdejekyll 19:32, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Maybe m:help:Template will be of use? casualdejekyll 19:34, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! It's not so much a language issue as a Wiki technical issue that applies everywhere. I'm hoping someone here can point me to maybe an example on enwiki that works correctly, or someone somewhere can provide guidance in English. I'm bilingual, so can do the implementation part :) - Alison ^❤ 19:35, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Uh.. Template:Infobox_rugby_biography is the English equivalent, I think.. Sorry I can't be of more help, the language barrier really throws me for a loop casualdejekyll 19:42, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Sadly, that template doesn't tie into WikiData. Thanks for trying, though :) - Alison ^❤ 21:38, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Alison: Among many editors on enwiki there is a reluctance to rely too much on Wikidata to provide article content. This reluctance derives from cases where erroneous data has been included in Wikidata, so the general preference is to keep the data for enwiki articles under enwiki control. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:50, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I can totally understand that, too, and many editors aren't experienced in WikiData management, nor does it get nearly as many eyes. For us minority languages, it's more of a realistic choice as we've so few editors and it's a good way to get content coverage in our native language - Alison ^❤ 03:55, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@Smirkybec: - anyone in your contacts that could maybe help? - Alison ^❤ 04:21, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Alison: hey! It was @Dowlinme: who had been trialling Wikidata infoboxes on Vicipéid with the help of some Welsh Wikimedians (including @Llywelyn2000:). I can see if I can resurrect some support there? @Eolaíocht: and @Ériugena: would also be interested, I think! Smirkybec (talk) 11:08, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Smirky - I spent a good 4 hours yesterday, muddling through it all and - presto!! I got almost all of them working again, with a little help cogging from the Basque Wikipedia, who went through a similar battle :) - Alison ^❤ 03:55, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

community

Need the help of community in improving this draft. I have referred from only reputable news papers and took a neutral tone as far as I understand. But, feel free to make the corrections or suggest me how the draft can be improved. Thank you in advance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Qentelli MaruthiSharma1234 (talk) 10:30, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Some of the refs at Draft:Qentelli, for example #4 and #5, barely mention Qentelli. Description of what the company does, in the lede, is not elaborated upon in the body of the draft. David notMD (talk) 11:04, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, MaruthiSharma1234. Apart from meaningless marketing buzzwords like "solutions", the problem with the draft - and the reason it has been declined as reading more like an advert - is that it is clearly saying what the company wants its customers and potential customers to know. But Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. For every statement you went to put in the article, ask "where has a wholly independent source said this about the company?" If the answer is "nowhere", then it doesn't belong in the article. (And statements by partners, or based on press releases, are not "wholly independent). ColinFine (talk) 11:44, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

"Danish withdrawal from the European Union" to "Dansk udtræden af Den Europæiske Union"

I wrote it twice in Danish on wikipedia.da and this was quickly deleted, although it is correctly written in Danish with citations. These articles already exist in English and German. Is there a way with which the article exists, remains and is updated as normal on Wikipedia.da? Wname1 (talk) 10:27, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Wname1. Every edition of Wikipedia is entirely independent of every other edition, and often has different policies and standards from other editions. If you are writing an article in da-wiki, it must meet da-wiki's standards, irrespective of whether it is a translation from another Wikipedia. You'll need to ask at da:Hjælp:Nybegynderforum: it's unlikely anybody here can help you. ColinFine (talk) 10:36, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

It's possible that Danish withdrawal from the European Union wouldn't survive an AFD either (Danish AFD at [11]), but that's my speculation. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:47, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, I will go to https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hj%C3%A6lp:Nybegynderforum. Wname1 (talk) 12:08, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia the President of Russia is not part of the government. Is this not nonsense?

1. Wikipedia article "President of Russia" states: "According to the current 1993 Constitution of Russia, the president of Russia is not a part of the Government of Russia, which exercises executive power."

2. This is, according to my short research, untrue.

3. It is also improper English, as the prepositional phrase, "which exercises executive power" has no object.

4. Would it not be true that, "According to the current 1993 Constitution of Russia, the president of Russia is a part of the Government of Russia, whose office exercises executive power."? Truthhurts34 (talk) 04:50, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: President of Russia  melecie  t - 05:14, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@Truthhurts34, there's a citation to what looks to be a book, Constitutional Law of Russia, after the statement. What source did you find in your research stating otherwise? If you're confident enough in your finding, you can try editing directly, citing your own reference. You could also open a discussion on the article's talk page. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:13, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

1) The "Government of Russia" is a defined body, consisting of the Prime Minister, the deputy prime ministers, and the federal ministers. Since the president is not one of those people, he is obviously not part of the Government of Russia. 2) The phrase "which exercises executive power" has as its object "the Government of Russia". 3) I think you may be confused by the different possible meanings of the word "government", particularly between American English and British English. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 12:55, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Changing name of image I created

I uploaded this image to Wikimedia commons File:2022_Russian_Invation_of_Ukraine_animated.gif but I accidentally misspelled the filename and it should be "2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine animated" not "2022 Russian Invation of Ukraine animated". How do I get it renamed and will that mess with it being embedded on other Wikipedias? It is currently used on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine and https://my.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%80%9B%E1%80%AF%E1%80%9B%E1%80%BE%E1%80%AC%E1%80%B8%E1%80%94%E1%80%AD%E1%80%AF%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA%E1%80%84%E1%80%B6%E1%80%99%E1%80%BE_%E1%80%9A%E1%80%B0%E1%80%80%E1%80%9B%E1%80%AD%E1%80%94%E1%80%BA%E1%80%B8%E1%80%94%E1%80%AD%E1%80%AF%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA%E1%80%84%E1%80%B6%E1%80%A1%E1%80%AC%E1%80%B8_%E1%80%80%E1%80%BB%E1%80%B0%E1%80%B8%E1%80%80%E1%80%BB%E1%80%B1%E1%80%AC%E1%80%BA%E1%80%81%E1%80%BC%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA%E1%80%B8_(%E1%81%82%E1%81%80%E1%81%82%E1%81%82_%E1%80%81%E1%80%AF%E1%80%94%E1%80%BE%E1%80%85%E1%80%BA) and may be used on more pages by the time we rename it MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 06:33, 26 February 2022 (UTC) MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 06:33, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

MaitreyaVaruna, hi! I have helped you and made a move request. In Commons only admins and file movers can move the pages. If you want to make requests in the future, if you're on desktop, look for the tab that says "More", then click move. GeraldWL 06:37, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@MaitreyaVaruna I have requested to rename the file. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 06:38, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done --Mosbatho (talk) 12:18, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@MaitreyaVaruna The big problem I see with that image is the unehlpful date heading. 24 February 2022 - present makes perfect sense today. But tomorrow it will be out of date, and next year it will be totally meaningless and useless to anyone. I suggest you change it to 24 February - 26th February 2022, as appropriate Nick Moyes (talk) 14:42, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

I cannot edit wrong contents because I am not autoconfirmed.

In pudendal nerve entrapment#Anatomy, there is a link like 'perineal branch'. However pudendal nerve branches off perineal nerve, so 'perineal branch' should be directed to perineal nerve. I think somebody mistaked. Can anybody edit instead of me? LR0725 (talk) 09:08, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, LR07235. Articles that you cannot edit because you are unconfirmed have been protected or semi-protected, usually because of persistent vandalism. What you can do instead is to make an edit request (see that link for details) at the article's talk page, in this case Talk:Pudendal nerve entrapment. ColinFine (talk) 10:34, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. By the way I think you mistaked my user name. --LR0725 (talk) 14:46, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Redrafted article

 Courtesy link: Draft:Brindisa

I've redrafted an article "Brindisa" which was rejected for using insufficiently independent sourcing for reference, as well as reading as if it was not independently produced (it was). The newly completed article has been complete for a couple of days but I'm not sure what happens next. During the redraft I may have made mistakes and I apologise if I've managed to delete any essential information. Derekguthrie (talk) 15:06, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

You deleted the feedback, where it said "Do not remove this line". In doing so, you deleted the resubmit button. I have reinstated it. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:16, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@Derekguthrie I just want to mention that you're not quite formatting your references properly. When you read through a draft, or an article, you should just see the bracketed blue reference number [1] and not <<ref[1]>>. At the beginning of each reference you should remove <<ref, and at the end you should remove the last two >>. Leave the rest just as it is now, and that will correct your reference formatting. Best wishes on your Wikipedia projects. Karenthewriter (talk) 16:43, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

the sky is blue

Hi, how do I disable this wonderful and extremely useful new "feature" that demands my attention at the top right hand of my screen to let me know that I've made an edit when I've made an edit? Thank you. Dr. Vogel (talk) 16:27, 26 February 2022 (UTC) Dr. Vogel (talk) 16:27, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Welcome to the Teahouse. Do you mean the message that displays "Your changes have been published", or it's something else? Lightbluerain❄ (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 16:56, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for welcoming me here, and yes, that one. Or the one that says "your edit has been saved", and all other unbelievable useful features that grab my attention for no good reason. Dr. Vogel (talk) 16:59, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@DrVogel: Then, as far as I know, I don't think that's avoidable. But, maybe WP:Village pump (Technical) can tell you better on this. Regards. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 17:25, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Dr. Vogel (talk) 17:28, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Draft: John R. Falck

I submitted a revised version of Draft:John R Falck on 02/12/2022 and I would like to find out what happened with it, whether I can continue to work on it, and how and where to find it. Thanks Jmcapdevj. Jmcapdevj (talk) 20:13, 25 February 2022 (UTC) Jmcapdevj (talk) 20:13, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Jmcapdevi Now accepted article John R. Falck. Needs work!!! A Wikipedia article is not a regurgitation of a CV. Change Publications to Selected publications, and reduce the list to 10 or fewer. Delete all the superscripts you created in the text. And so much more. David notMD (talk) 20:16, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

David notMD If he had all those subscripts its most likely a stolen article. Reckitdor (talk) 20:24, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

My guess is copied from a CV. The university website page about Falck as faculty member lists only eight "Featured publications", so apparently not copied from there. David notMD (talk) 21:17, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Jmcapdevi - What is the nature of your connection of Falck? From your history of contributions, your only contribution was this draft, back in July 2021. And perhaps some editing while not logged into your account. David notMD (talk) 21:21, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Found the source. Its on Commons and almost certainly a copy-vio there and in the article. CV was uploaded by same user at commons:File:John R Falck 01.pdf and commons:File:John R Falck.pdfSlywriter (talk) 21:38, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Slywriter nominated for speedy deletion on Commons, with the editor there warned against copyright abuse. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 23:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

OY! This just got messy. Jmcapdevi: You put content at Commons that you claimed as your "own work", a PDF. Where is that document from? At this point I expect the entire article to be quickly deleted as a copyright violation. [Speedy deletion filed] After that happens, you can start all over again, copying nothing. Basically, Falck is notable, but the article is fatally flawed. David notMD (talk) 22:53, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Jmcapdevj All are now gone, Please do not violate other peoples copyright again. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 20:24, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Since my original Draft:John R.Falck (commons:File:John R falck 01.pdf) was deleted due to copyright violations, could I submit a revised version of it in which I try to address as a new dratf?

Thanks Jmcapdevj Jmcapdevj (talk) 18:46, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Making possesives with Arabic names

Hello!

I am working on an article that includes Arabic names, and one of these is Badíʻ. There are a few situations where it is completely necessary to put an apostrophe S after the name; how should I do this, when the name ends in a kind of apostrophe, even if it's a modifier letter apostrophe?

Thanks!

Leejordan9 ^talk
_sandbox 19:44, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@Leejordan9: Seeing as it's more than 20 minutes ago you asked this, and still it doesn't seem to have got answered, I'll try to answer even though I don't think I've had that situation on Wikipedia before:

• If Badíʻ is a man, I might mention him in one sentence and then put "his" in the next sentence.
• If Badíʻ is a woman, I'd do the same, but with "her" instead of "his".
• If I don't know, or if Badíʻ isn't a person, I'd probably use the phrase "of Badíʻ".

I hope that helps. Pretended leer {talk} 20:14, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! There are a couple of situations in what I'm writing that won't fully work in this way, but thanks for the response! Leejordan9 ^talk
_sandbox 20:27, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Reliable Sources

Are foreign wikis a reliable source? JamesSchovilleD. (talk) 17:17, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@JamesSchovilleD: generally not, see WP:UGC. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:22, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@JamesSchovilleD. Welcome to the Teahouse. Absolutely not! We never, ever cite other Wikipedias, nor expect them to cite English Wikipedia. What they are really useful for is giving you an initial pointer towards sources and images that might be useful. But never simply attempt to translate an article from one language to another. Translate the sources you find there by all means, then go looking for further ones, too. You are, however, permitted to link to a wikipedia page in another language which does not exist yet in this one. We call this an 'inter-langauge link, and use the template {{ill}} for this purpose. Ask if you need further advice on that, please. Right now, Draft:Chōsokabe Kanetsugu only cites other Wikipedias, so you will need to go back to source articles, translate those, and write content based upon those. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:06, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

I think this could be extended to any wiki, not just the Wikipedia projects themselves.

@JamesSchovilleD.: As Victor Schmidt pointed out, wikis rarely (if ever) make reliable sources, as their contents are generally user-generated. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:19, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

(Vaguely related sidenote: Most people seem to agree that The Signpost is not reliable, but I personally think it is. I wouldn't use it regardless because of the consensus.) casualdejekyll 22:06, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Small text on talk page

Hello, I was recently looking at Talk:Open-source intelligence, and noticed the text started to become very small about halfway down the page. I couldn't figure out how to fix it. Anyone know how? Endwise (talk) 01:10, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Endwise: there was an unclosed small tag. I add the closing tag and it is looking better now. RudolfRed (talk) 02:02, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Steam VAT Battery

Please add this website URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_battery anywhere in this Steam VAT Battery article that you guys recently rejected. I am too tired to complete it and I don't have all the answers. If it was opinion based, I would not have provided two technologies (VAT storage in the CSP plants) and the DG8 steam wagon, both are tested technologies. I am trying to be nice here but it is you that is lying to me, claiming that my article is opinion based, solely because, for example, I used a Youtube URL. These are things you can easily correct to help make this into an encyclopedic article. Please add this URL to where-ever applicable and remove the Youtube video URLSL. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_battery

Thanks for helping to help humanity and keeping it real because you and I know, it was only because of protocol that you rejected this article and not because it is invalid in any way. You do not need to be a scientists to see the obvious, that this is a valid novel type of battery. I am an inventor by the way: USPTO application number: 16/890,358 Patent number: US 11,218,788 B2. I have nowhere near the money to prototype what I am sharing here, and that is why, I do not have all the answers. I am relying on a leap of faith that Masdar.ae will pursue this. The only difference between what is currently within the Dg8 steam tractor and what I am sharing, is a VAT that contains (salt or another substance) and heating elements as the battery charging source. This is all very simple to understand. I hope you will help with it, it is very important! 72.142.115.6 (talk) 01:35, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. This seems to be about Draft:Steam VAT Battery. It is unlikely that another editor will take an interest in this draft and improve it. One Wikipedia article is never acceptable as a reference in another Wikipedia article. A large majority of YouTube videos are not acceptable as references. Accusing reviewers of lying is counterproductive. They are volunteers and why would a volunteer get involved with something where they are likely to get attacked personally? You have ten references in your draft and not a single one of those references discuss the topic of a steam VAT Battery. So, read Your first article and do your best to improve the draft. References to reliable sources discussing the steam VAT battery in detail are essential. Cullen328 (talk) 02:08, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

You being the inventor also means you have a conflict of interest with regards to this topic (You want to spread the word, we want a neutrally-written and well-sourced encyclopaedia article). As I said on AfC Help Desk, we don't exist to document novel concepts; they must have already been seriously discussed whether in the media or in scientific literature. And money is irrelevant - we routinely block people who operate on the assumption money means a Wikipedia article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 02:58, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

A couple of quick questions on my Wikipedia Article - Adam J. Bass

Writing about a man who was at the heart of two of the biggest scandals of our current time: The college bribery scandal and Ameriquest's contribution to the near collapse of the US Banking system. Very elusive, I did get a few good sources I think. Really appreciate your help!!!

Hi! I am fixing a draft of a wikipedia I did that didn't have enough high level references..HERE IS THE LINK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Adam_J._Bass. I have Two Questions: ONE: Should I cite the same source I did earlier in the draft again if I want to make sure people realize the second statement is from a previously mentoned credible source? I did this, but it seems weird to see the citation iisted more than once in the same Wiki.... TWO. Do these seem like acceptable sources? 1. Vanity Fair Magazine 2. Reuters 3. Wall St Journal 4. https://www.cbs17.com 5. www.Inquirer.com (the Philadephia Inquirer). Thanks so much!!! TruthLover123 (talk) 21:23, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

According the references cited (numbered 4, 5, and 6, 4 and 5 being to the same article), Bass was just one of Singer's customers, he wasn't "at the heart of" the scandal. Maproom (talk) 21:46, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

• • TruthLover123, Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, do you make use of the named sources? I haven’t taken a look so I’m unable to tell but yes the aforementioned sources are indeed reliable, the rationale given by the declining afc reviewer Slywriter is that that the article read like a resumé as opposed to an encyclopedic article, theoretically speaking, notability alone can not determine nor guarantee that your article would be accepted, there are a plethora of other deciding factors, for example if an article on a notable individual is created but it is written in a very irredeemable promotional manner, the article could be speedy deleted. Furthermore being at the heart of a scandal doesn’t make one notable, at least not by any yardstick used in ascertaining or accessing notability. Please see WP:GNG. Celestina007 (talk) 21:50, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, TruthLover123. You can use the coding technique described at WP:REFNAME to define a reference just once but use it repeatedly within an article. Your claim that this man was "at the heart of two of the biggest scandals of our current time" is an extraordinary claim the requires very solid references. The references now in the article do not support that claim, and frankly, I doubt that this person is notable based on these references. Cullen328 (talk) 21:56, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Quote: Eliza’s father, Adam Bass, finally admitted he had hired Rick Singer, the now infamous perpetrator of the "College Admissions Scandal" which ended up seeing 50 or more parent, college staff and testing facilities, including famous actresses such as Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman. (1) Seeing them what? (2) No reference is provided. (3) "Actress" is now a dated term. (4) Pointing out that people are "infamous" or "famous" (or "notorious") is probably just editorializing and for this reason alone should be cut; but is also superfluous, as the fame/infamy of the genuinely famous/infamous will have spread to the reader, who won't need to be told what they already know. (FWIW, the [asserted] fame of Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman hasn't reached me; so perhaps neither is famous.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:08, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Additionally: An entire section of this draft is devoted to a "scandal", at the end of whose description we read: Bass is one of the only involved parties that was never charged. (1) If he was never charged, why bother with any of this? (2) The description of the allegation comes with what at first appear to be three references. One is to a Vanity Fair article. The other is to the very same Vanity Fair article. The third isn't the same, but appears to depend on it for this allegation. So in effect the section cites just one source. -- Hoary (talk) 03:23, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Who is the builder of Amer Fort?

 Courtesy link: Amber Fort

Amber Fort built by Meena dynasty. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 17:15, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@Karsan Chanda, welcome to the Teahouse. You may, then, discuss it on the talk page of the article. Regards. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 17:33, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

References

You appear to have answered your own question. Do you have another question? David notMD (talk) 17:31, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD Isn't this a reliable source? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 02:01, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Not me area of knowledge/ David notMD (talk) 04:24, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Statement in parentheses before or after full stop?

Resolved

On July 19 2021, he released his first single, פחדן (IPA: [paχˈdan]; lit. 'Coward').

or

On July 19 2021, he released his first single, פחדן. (IPA: [paχˈdan]; lit. 'Coward')

 QuickQuokka ^[talk]

The first. Not the second. Danidamiobi (talk) 07:39, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Danidamiobi: Thanks! QuickQuokka ^[talk] 07:55, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Danexit 11.162 Member

Is there a possibility that on Facebook with the name "Danexit" with about 11,000 members find the withdrawal from the European Union good to show on the (English) "Danish withdrawal from the European Union" wikipedia page? Wname1 (talk) 08:00, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

See Talk:Danish_withdrawal_from_the_European_Union#Facebook_group. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:16, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Citations 12 and 15 have glitched text.

I know RtL and LtR text together is super annoying and buggy, but can someone please help me fix citations #12 and #15?

I've opened it in Chromium, and the glitch isn't there. QuickQuokka ^[talk] 08:48, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello QuickQuokka! In citation 12 & 15 change website=אידיבי from the Hebrew text to website=www.edb.co.il & the citations will render properly. Hope this is of help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 09:32, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@LooksGreatInATurtleNeck: Thanks so much! I'll go try it out! QuickQuokka ^[talk] 09:35, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Well referenced draft 'Filastine' rejected for notability, despite being highly notable

As an experienced editor, I would have simply created the article for Draft:Filastine, but chose to go through the AfC process this time. Unfortunately, it was quickly [declined] by user User:HitroMilanese claiming lack of notability. I wonder if Hitro actually read the draft? Filastine exceeds the criteria at WP:NMUSICIAN, with the exception of chart positions, as it is not pop music. Filastine as a musician has a 25-year career, a dozen releases on multiple record labels, cultural significance in relation to the 1999 Seattle WTO protests, multiple international tours, and a large amount of independent press coverage from XLR8R, Vice, Pitchfork, New Internationalist, NPR and the BBC. Two of Filastine older projects even have articles already (¡Tchkung! and Infernal Noise Brigade). Furthermore, Filastine is not simply a musician, but also notable as an activist and video artist, all of which is well-supported by quality references. He is also "one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style", in this case Industrial hip hop, in which he has been mentioned for many years. This is far, far in excess of the WP:MUSICIAN criteria.

I could simply ignore Hitro and create the article myself, but in the interest of community process, I'd appreciate hearing from other experienced editors first. Ben (talk) 20:29, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@Bdiscoe:, I don't understand what you meant by highly notable and exceeding the notability criteria of musicians. If you believe that the subject is meeting any of the criteria of WP:NMUSICIAN then simply state the number of that criterion. Hitro talk 21:01, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

THAT criteriON, or THOSE criteriA. Uporządnicki (talk) 21:03, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Grammar Police.:p Hitro talk 21:12, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

At a practical level, which three (or more) references do you identify as reliable source and about Filastine at some length, not just a short name mention? And the draft was Declined, not Rejected, which is more severe. Work on it and resubmit. Skipping AfC still means that all new articles get looked at by New Pages Patrol people, who could accept, kick back to draft, or even start an AfD. David notMD (talk) 21:13, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Refs 2, 9 and 10 look good. Third paragraph of career has a lot of event name dropping, but none of that is referenced. David notMD (talk) 21:25, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

2, 9 and 10 don't look good to me. They are all based on what Filastine has said to the journalist, and so not independent. Bdiscoe, to get this article accepted (or not deleted if you choose to move it to article space yourself), you're going to need to find several reliable independent published sources with extensive discussion of him. Writing here about what a great guy you think he is will do nothing to help. I'm not saying he isn't notable, in Wikipedia's sense; just that you're going to need to prove it. Maproom (talk) 23:03, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

• Generally (speaking) I’d like to add that WP:MUSICBIO is not a criteria per se in the sense most editors think it is, MUSICBIO serves as a (pointer) in the sense that meeting a criterion there is an indication of notability, and not that meeting any criterion there means automatic notability. Celestina007 (talk) 22:00, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Parts of refs 2, 9 an 10 are interview content and parts not. David notMD (talk) 04:35, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

• Hitro asked me to "state the number of that criterion" from WP:NMUSICIAN, which I thought was already clear as I quoted from it, but here goes, in bullet point form.

• 1. "subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works", this is well covered by prominent news coverage, which as pointed out, are more than just interviews.
• 4. "non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour", many of the refs concern Arka Kinari, which is exactly an international concert tour.
• 5. "two or more albums on a major [] or on one of the more important indie labels", discogs cited for these facts.
• 6. "reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles", as noted, both ¡Tchkung! and Infernal Noise Brigade are notable enough to be wiki articles.
• 7. "Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style", as noted above, Industrial hip hop over the course of 15 years.
• 10. "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable", the draft includes 5 works, one of which is notable enough to have a wiki article at ca:Idrissa. Crònica d'una mort qualsevol.

That's *six* points of criteria from the list which says "may be notable if they meet at least one". Furthermore, I'd like to point out again, which people seem to be missing, is that this isn't just a musician, as supported by the fact that only some of the references bother to talk about his music at all. This is an activist / video-multimedia artist, who is also a musician; his notability may cumulatively include music, but is not limited to it. I mean, his projects have won awards including from the bloody United Nations, already. I am open to any ways the article could be improved, but notability is clearly not the issue.

Frankly speaking, except criterion #1 which is highly debatable in this case, the subject does not appear to meet any of the listed criteria. The labels are not major. I am not sure whether ¡Tchkung! or Infernal Noise Brigade will survive an AfD. ¡Tchkung! is already tagged for notability concerns. Prominent representative of a notable style is not proven within the article. None of their works has received reviews. Since, you claim that you are an experienced editor, you must know that an article on Catalan Wikipedia does not make something automatic notable.

They were stranded in mid-pacific which has received coverage from Pitchfork and BBC. Now, these coverage make them notable then you should resubmit the draft and wait for a fresh pair of eyes to review it. Large portion of the draft is talking about their music career so they will be treated as a musician. However, I am still not convinced that this meets notability guidelines. Hitro talk 08:05, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

I did some Google searches about the award that Filastine has received from the bloody United Nations, I found nothing reliable. To be frank, I found nothing at all. You have not cited the claims either.Hitro talk 09:14, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

What I recommend at this point in time is to work on improving the draft, and then resubmit. Reviewers rarely review the same draft a second time, and given the strong statements made here by hitroMilanese - the declining Reviewer - I suggest that HitoMilanese not review again. The next reviewer may accept the draft. That does not make the resulting article bulletproof. hitroMilanese or other editors with experience with music-related articles might initiate the Articles for Deletion process. There, after 7-10 days of comments, an Administrator makes a decision to keep, delete or kick back to draft. David notMD (talk)

I totally agree with the measures suggested by David notMD. Hitro talk 14:48, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

relevance of sibling names and details

I came across about 50 biographies which an editor had added names and minor details of the subject's siblings, who were generally not notable themselves. In some cases, there were other comments about the relationship (e.g. got along with the sibling or didn't). Here's an example: Walter Mirisch revision of 11 February 2022. Is it appropriate to revert such changes (retaining any actual improvements to the article)? Fabrickator (talk) 01:33, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@Fabrickator Non-notable relatives are not named, their exitence may be noted if relevant... "<Subject> has a brother and two sisters." More than that will need to be justified. The example you pointed out is ok because the brothers are themselves notable. If there are no article about the siblings remove their names and any other irrelevant details.

BTW the referencing in that article is a mess. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 01:54, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Spouse(s) named, but children not named unless articles about them exist. David notMD (talk) 09:26, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

For policy reference when the article is about a living or recently-deceased person, see WP:BLPNAME. DMacks (talk) 15:59, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Zip file question

I have a question about citing a document that you have to download and extract as a zip file. ScientistBuilder (talk) 03:26, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@ScientistBuilder, that's not ideal, but if you have a URL you downloaded the file from, then cite it. If you got the file from somewhere that isn't public, it might be original research, which is not allowed. Do you have a more specific question? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 04:19, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@ScientistBuilder I think the statement above about OR misses the point, or is at least confusing. Maybe it depends on what you mean by public ... it can be behind a paywall, it cam be restricted to subscribers, etc. But as described, the file was downloaded, the issue would be downloaded from where. If it actually can be downloaded from the public net without any special credentials, then it's surely public. That it's in a recognizable format, preferably with some readily available application to decode it, that's not a problem, though we could perhaps ask about the provenance of the zip file.

Did somebody take a legitimate source file, modify it, then zip it up so it's actually a counterfeit of the original, of course that's not valid. But a source does not become invalid because the sole copy is sitting in some "personal collection" in a university library with restricted access. The fact that you traveled to that library doesn't turn your source into OR. Fabrickator (talk) 08:57, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

The file is available to the public. ScientistBuilder (talk) 15:07, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

I agree with others that being a compressed or archive filetype does not itself affect its potential usability, neither in terms of reliability nor citeability. If it's an archive that contains multiple files, the |at= field of {{cite web}} could be useful for noting the specific filename. If you'd like to tell us the specific link in question, you might get some more-specific feedback about reliability, citing-style, or alternate sources of it. DMacks (talk) 16:07, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

How to add Twinkle feature on my phone - (Chrome browser) or on Wikipedia app

Hello fellow wikipedians,

I usually edit articles using my smartphone. In addition, I would like to fight vandalism using Twinkle and I'm aware there is an article on it. However the article uses a lot of technical terms and it's a bit difficult to get the process. Can someone advise if it's possible to install it on my browser or Wikipedia app and what is the way to go around it in a less technical manner? Thank you Volten0001 (talk) 11:49, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Volten0001: welcome to Wikipedia! Unfortunately, it is not possible to use Twinkle on the mobile app or the mobile web interface. However, it can be used on the Desktop interface. To install Twinkle, go to the Gadgets section of your preferences, go to the "Browsing" section (which is at the top) and click on the box next to "Twinkle". Then click on "Save". JavaHurricane 14:11, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Volten0001 Just to say that I use Twinkle on my tiny iPhone. As JavaHurricane says, it's one simple click in Preferences to enable it nowadays. I simply use Safari and open Wikipedia in 'desktop' view via the very small link at the very bottom of every page. I do, however, find it moderately awkward to access the Twinkle window on a small screen. For that reason, I do most vandal fighting and warning on a laptop or PC, not my mobile. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:54, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@JavaHurricane:

@Nick Moyes:

Thanks a lot for the insight and advice. I managed to modify my preferences and enable Twinkle. I guess since I have a laptop I will utilize it when trying to combat vandalism. Thanks again. Volten0001 (talk) 16:35, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Blacklist

Could I please be blacklisted? I want nothing to do with this group because you asshats deleted my article for no reason. SonicNASCARfan9 (talk) 16:41, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Always happy to oblige. Indeffed for unacceptable language used towards others. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:05, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Dealt with by Nick Moyes. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:06, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

I need help with this

I have been editing from time to time and I have been working on one particular topic about music artist Qeuyl however every time I write about him I am being deleted over and over again, please help me write about Qeuyl. Fnf1044 (talk) 16:20, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Fnf1044 Welcome! Per WP:BASIC, what are the 3-5 best sources you know that are at the same time reliably published (WP:RS), independent of the topic and about the topic in some detail? As you can see at User_talk:Fnf1044#Concern_regarding_Draft:Qeuyl, that draft was deleted because you didn't do anything with it for 6 months. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:05, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång yes I have found 3-5 sources from blogs, magazines and news interviews as well as mentions in other wiki articles is this sufficient? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fnf1044 (talk • contribs) 17:21, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Fnf1044, blogs are almost never reliable sources, and interviews are not independent sources. Therefore, such sources do not help establish the notability of the topic. Cullen328 (talk) 17:33, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Fnf1044 For WP:BASIC, blogs are no good, see WP:BLOG, wikis are no good, see WP:USERG, interviews can be problematic, see WP:Interviews. I can't have an opinion on if a source helps with WP:BASIC if I haven't seen it. Assuming Qeuyl is a living person, you should also take the time to read WP:Biographies of living persons, the "rules" here are quite strict. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:46, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Based on [12] it doesn't look hopeful, but of course google doesn't know all. This may be a case of WP:TOOSOON. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:51, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

What is browse history interactively?

In a article, click “view history”, click “prev” on someone’s edit, and at the top of the page, it says “browse history interactively”. I don’t know what that means. Can someone help? 2603:8000:F400:FCEA:1C42:EDB0:EA70:1511 (talk) 17:48, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

If you click on those words, you get to see a timeline, which you can hover on and see info on past edits. Hope this helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:56, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Question about my child editing Wikipedia

Asking as a parent, is editing in Wikipedia safe for my 14 yrs old child? Is it beneficial or harmful for him? 202.142.81.21 (talk) 10:03, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

All users, including children, are permitted to edit Wikipedia anonymously and without creating an account. All users are also permitted (and encouraged) to edit Wikipedia without disclosing or adding any kind of personal or identifying information about themselves anywhere on the project. For some more relevant information, please see Wikipedia:Protecting children's privacy.

Wikipedia is not censored, which in practice means that in relevant areas throughout the site, you will find possibly distressing or offensive content and pictures showing subjects like violence, nudity, sexual activity or controversial topics. Such material is present in a small percentage of articles. Editors range widely both in age and in cultural background, and as such, profanity is also prevalent in some areas of content and discussions. See Wikipedia:Uncensored and Wikipedia:Offensive material for more information.

It is possible to configure Wikipedia to not display images if you would like to – there are many ways to do so. However, written content cannot be hidden with conventional software. Wikipedia:Advice for parents is a helpful guide. ––FormalDude talk 10:16, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@FormalDude: Correction: I would not say IP contributions are "anonymous", as they reveal your IP address publicly. QuickQuokka ^[talk] 12:45, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

It is a continuing source of bafflement to me that some people think that editing without an account is somehow more anonymous and/or secure than using an account. It is quite the reverse. Editing without an account exposes your IP address, which allows anyone to easily discover your geographic location, possibly connect your identity to activity on other websites besides Wikipedia, and even access your computer directly, if you are using a faulty firewall (although nowadays the latter is not likely). A minor should absolutely create an account, as should anyone who is the least bit concerned about anonymity. CodeTalker (talk) 19:05, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello 202, and welcome to the Teahouse! I recommend reading Wikipedia:Advice for parents and Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors. Hope this helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:17, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

The best bit of advice I can give is for him to never reveal his age or even mention that he is a minor. Wikipedians reputations are entirely based on their behaviour and the contribution they add to the site, nothing else matters. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:12, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Question about two images

Hello, 1. For this image: File:Claremont Fan Court School from the air.jpg, now that it has permission and a license, is it my responsibility to remove the AntiCompositeBot tag or is it an administrators task? 2. I added File:Captain's chair green test.jpg as a dummy file to test how the process works of uploading an image. I can delete it right away. Is that something that I'm responsible for or will a computer bot do that for me? Thanks! Archivingperson (talk) 19:06, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Archivingperson: For 1, You can remove the tag if it truly isnt copyrighted anymore. For 2, A bot can delete it but it does not look like it says it will be deleted. You cannot delete it as only administrators can delete pages on Wikipedia. Hope this helps. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:12, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Archivingperson: (edit conflict) I have taken the liberty of removing it for you and pinging the Commons Volunteer Response Team editor who approved the licence. I think they simply forgot. Regarding the latter image, as you didn't specify a licence for the test chair, you could simply leave it there for a week and after that time it will be deleted. Alternatively, you could click the 'Nominate for Deletion' link on the left side of the page and recommend it's deletion, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort for you. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:17, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Philipp_Hochmair - Reliable Sources

 Courtesy link: Draft:Philipp Hochmair

Hello I have made the necessary changes and added sources in "Early life". Does this now comply with Wikipedia guidelines? Thank you for the support and best regardsEmmy1707 (talk) 14:45, 27 February 2022 (UTC) Emmy1707 (talk) 14:45, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Emmy1707: I would unfortunately say no, because the references are not reliable sources. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:20, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

How to change your username color on talk pages?

Hello, How to change your color of the username on the talk pages? LockzZ (talk) 20:00, 27 February 2022 (UTC) LockzZ (talk) 20:00, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@NanoLock66 WP:CUSTOMSIG may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:19, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

How do you know when to remove the stub template from an article?

Hi! I had an assignment to write an article on here for a class last semester, and it was a stub when I started on it. I worked on it for several months, and am pretty sure it is no longer a stub, but am still new here so want to ask. The article is Echinothrips americanus Pteridaceae (talk) 20:33, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Pteridaceae: take a look at WP:ASSESS. This lists various different levels of quality standards. WP:STUBDEF takes a look at the "stub" rating specifically, and gives a few length thresholds that work as a rule of thumb. But in general, determining which rating matches an article best is more art than science, and different editors have slightly different opinions. I'm no subject matter expert so someone could correct me, but the article looks at least C-class to me (could be B-class), so I've re-rated it as that and removed the stub tag. In future cases feel free to do these types of things yourself, as there are generally no objections to a person re-assessing an article that they created or have recently worked on. — Bilorv (talk) 21:43, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Confusing attribution

I'm just going to get straight to the point: I'm editing Nicki Minaj, and I'm quite confused as to who to attribute this source to.

Source: https://www.npr.org/2018/10/03/651761719/nicki-minaj-is-the-21st-centurys-insatiable-hip-hop-monarch

Should this source be attributed to NPR Music or NPR in the citation/reference? I really don't know where else to ask this so some comments would be useful. Thank you! shanghai.^{talk to me} 18:52, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

I would think just NPR as the external link on the NPR Music article just takes you to NPR.com when you click on official site. I am just confused as to why these are two separate articles that are not just under the article NPR ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:16, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

I would say either is fine. Here's the case for NPR Music: the article is published under the logo "NPR Music" and in the "music" tab of the website, having been produced by the music division of the company. And for NPR: it's unambiguous and makes the publisher clear. The external links section of NPR Music needs a bit of cleaning up, but that's neither here nor there. — Bilorv (talk) 21:47, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Why the orphan notice? (Also 1 category link not working)

On a page at "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuwa-chan" that I created recently, the following notice appeared:

"This article is an orphan, as no other articles link to it. Please introduce links to this page from related articles;"

I do not understand why the orphan notice is there. I have linked this English page to the Japanese page. What am I missing? One category link that does not see to be working correctly is the "Births in Hachiōji" catagory link. I am attempting to link to this URL:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Births_in_Births_in_Hachiōji

However, when I click on the link from the "../wiki/Fuwa-chan" article, it does not work. (How can I make a category link from "en.wikipedia.org" "commons.wikimedia.org"? The root directories differ.)

TNewfields (talk) 05:32, 27 February 2022 (UTC)TNewfields TNewfields (talk) 05:32, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

The orphan notice is because there are no links to this articles from other English Wikipedia articles. Links from other projects are not considered. Category links are for categories in the English Wikipedia. Category:Births in Hachiōji does not exist here, so it is a redlink and should be removed. MB 07:12, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@TNewfields An article is an orphan when when no other article in the English Wikipedia links to it.

Commons categories are used only for media files that are in Commons. The Category: Births in Hachiōji simply does not exist. It is quite unusual to categorize birthplace all the way down to suburb level so rather use the city category. Hope this helps Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:24, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@TNewfields Use Category:People from Hachiōji, Tokyo instead. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:01, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@TNewfields: I deorphaned the article and fixed the category. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:04, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Need help updating The Northern Kentucky Brotherhood Singers page

My name is Stace Darden and I'm the Director of Communications and a singer for the group so I do have "a close connection with the subject". I thought we at least met #9 of the notability criteria at WP:NBAND. (which is: Has won first, second or third place in a major music competition) when we won the Chicago Harmony A Capella Sweepstakes in 2011. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong or leaving out so that the WIKI would be approved but I would love to have some help. I apologize for resubmitting so quickly after the last modifications I made (which were to remove hyperlinks from the body of the message and add References). We are an Independent group that has been singing for over 34 years with 5 CD's. Page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Northern_Kentucky_Brotherhood_Singers

Thank you,

Stace Darden Nkybrotherhood (talk) 20:43, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Nkybrotherhood: I would be surprised if a specialised competition in a U.S. state is sufficient for WP:NBAND#9, but moreover this guideline attempts to communicate when a group are likely to be notable rather than when they are. In my opinion, and apparently those of several reviewers, the sources in the draft do not show notability.

If the band is not notable, then you are not doing anything wrong—nobody could write a draft on this topic that would be accepted, as only notable topics are accepted. Being "notable" is not the same as being important or having achieved great things. It is jargon for "within the scope of Wikipedia", and we determine our scope based on a number of pragmatic factors, such as having an encyclopedia small enough for our core volunteer community to maintain at least a bare minimum of quality standards on. — Bilorv (talk) 21:39, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Nkybrotherhood. The Chicago version of Harmony Sweepstakes A Cappella Festival is one of seven regional events leading up to the national event in San Rafael, California, so I do not think that regional event is a "major music competition". However, the biggest problem is the lack of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. The Richmond Folk Festival source is not independent because it is promoting a performance. Same for the Chicago Harmony source - it is promoting the competition. The Russia Tour source includes just two sentences about your group, which is buried very deep. That is not significant coverage. The Kentucky Governor source just announces an award, and has no discussion of your group. In conclusion, none of your references meets the required standard of significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Cullen328 (talk) 21:48, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you all for your comments. Independent Reliable sources....would something like this fit? https://www.nkytribune.com/2022/02/governor-honors-recipients-of-award-in-the-arts-includes-northern-kentucky-brotherhood-singers/#:~:text=The%20Northern%20Kentucky%20Brotherhood%20Singers%20are%20champions.%20It,Award.%E2%80%9D%20And%20you%20might%20call%20this%20a%20re-peat. ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nkybrotherhood (talk • contribs) 21:59, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Nkybrotherhood, that source is not independent because the substantive content comes from Stace Darden, namely you. Cullen328 (talk) 23:04, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

PSL Template

Hi, I’m editing Template:WikiProject Pakistan Super League and I’m trying to make the Quetta taskforce visible but it’s not working. How can I fix this?  Hamza Ali Shah  ^Talk 08:39, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Hamza Ali Shah: Template:WPBannerMeta#Task forces states "WPBannerMeta can accommodate up to five task forces, each with its own image, links and importance scale, if desired. (More than five task forces can be supported through the use of hooks.)" GoingBatty (talk) 23:08, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Hamza Ali Shah: Please check my edit to Template:WikiProject Pakistan Super League/sandbox. GoingBatty (talk) 23:12, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Pageview Analysis

Pageview Analysis I have recently been getting a strange page with I check pageviews on any page when using FireFox browser. I have check the same pages with Google Chrome and I get the old analysis that I was expecting. Is this a problem that Wikipedia could correct or should I report it to Firefox? BuffaloBob (talk) 00:30, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@BuffaloBob: You're not the only one - see meta:Talk:Pageviews_Analysis#Not_working. GoingBatty (talk) 00:41, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, that appears to be the problem BuffaloBob (talk) 01:11, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Fixing redirect and disambigutation

Hi there, I need help with something. I recently created the page Černí baroni (TV series). There is also the book and the film. Currently, the default (undisambiguated) title is the film, and "Černí baroni (film)" simply redirects there. I feel that, since the book precedes both the film and the series, it should hold the default title, and the film should be disambiguated. I don't know how to do this, however. Thanks! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:32, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku: Welcome to the Teahouse! First, you'd have to determine if one of these works is the primary topic - see WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. If there is no primary topic, then Černí baroni could move to Černí baroni (film), and Černí baroni would be a dismabiguation page. However, it seems you're suggesting moving Černí baroni → Černí baroni (film) and Černí baroni (book) → Černí baroni. If that's how you want to proceed, I suggest following the instructions at WP:RMPM and post the requested move template on Talk:Černí baroni. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:11, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

HELP NEEDED WITH CITATIONS

Hello, I am working on the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sukhvir_Sanghal Please assist me with the citations, do the citations look OK now?

Thanks. Priyamchandra (talk) 07:48, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't think so, Priyamchandra, because a number of the references are to sukhvirsanghal.com, which isn't a disinterested source as it sells Sukhvir Sanghal's works. Additionally, it's clear that you have a conflict of interest; please state this on Draft talk:Sukhvir Sanghal. -- Hoary (talk) 08:08, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Source ICOSIUM

 Courtesy link: Icosium

I ask my previous question differently : do you think the 14 th Source "Diocese of Icosium" in the Icosium article is correct ? There is the word "Suppressed" on the web page. Thank you to verify.

--Joisy78 (talk) 21:16, 27 February 2022 (UTC)Joisy78--Joisy78 (talk) 21:16, 27 February 2022 (UTC) Joisy78 (talk) 21:16, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Joisy78: The source says the diocese was suppressed. See also Icosium#Religion. The source itself is not suppressed and appears to be valid. 108.52.196.8 (talk) 22:20, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

The source may be valid, but it does not support the statement about bishops of Iconium in Roman times. It's about a diocese that was established in the 18th century and suppressed in 1838. I have removed it the reference. Maproom (talk) 09:04, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much.

Sincerely yours. Joisy78 (talk) 19:41, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

The Batman (film)

The movie is scheduled to release on March 4, 2022 in US, and on 3 March 2022 in Bangladesh's Star Cineplex, 1 day before US. If I add the Bangladesh release date to the article's infobox and release section, will it be disruptive editing? Cottonseed (talk) 10:25, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Cottonseed Providing you do not get into an edit war with other users, and that you can cite a reliable source to show that its release date is one day earlier, then I would not interpret that sort of contribution as disruptive. If in doubt, discuss your source on the article's talk page. Thank you for your question. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:42, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: kindly see my edit. Are the sources reliable? Cottonseed (talk) 11:06, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Cottonseed Yes, the sources seem quite reliable. But that is not really the point. Yes, they support your edit which stated that a film will be released on day earlier, not across an entire country, but within one chain in one individual city. That is not relevant to the article, which has a world-wide scope. As such, I agree with Rupturestriker, who reverted it.

So, my answer to your original question is that your initial edit was not at all disruptive when you made it, but I really do not see it is relevant to the Release section of the article, and adding it again without proper discussion would then start to become disruptive. I don't see that discussion siding with your point of view unless you can show that release across an entire country or continent is different to the worldwide date. I'm sorry that's not what you wanted to hear from me, but that is my interpretation of your good faith edit. So thank you for wanting to improve the article even if maybe it was not exactly what's needed. I would have said the same had you wanted to show that one cinema chain in one city in the US was releasing it a day earlier, too. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:45, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Cottonseed Bangladesh is not the only country where the film is releasing on March 3, there are many more regions in SEA, and Australia included, where the film will release. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rupturestriker (talk • contribs) 11:59, February 28, 2022 (UTC)

Editing in IPad

Browser or Wikipedia apple app?

I am an IPad OS user, currently using Safari for Editing. The Wikipedia app is in my IPad. I wanted to know whether the app would allow me editing? Waiting for a response from experienced here. --Nang Nandini (talk) 06:23, 26 February 2022 (UTC) Nang Nandini (talk) 06:23, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

hi Nang Nandini and welcome to the teahouse! I believe the app allows you to edit pages just as they can in desktop or mobile safari, although some templates may not display due to the app supporting them like navboxes. happy editing!  melecie  t - 06:29, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt reply. I can try the app. --Nang Nandini (talk) 06:31, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Nang Nandini: I use exactly what you do. I tried out the Wikipedia app for editing, but I ended up disliking it because I think it makes it harder to edit. I found the most helpful view of Wikipedia on an iPad to be the desktop view, which you can get by scrolling down and clicking on desktop view at the bottom of any wiki page or by removing the m in the url. Hope this helps! ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 13:06, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@Nang Nandini I totally agree with @Kaleeb18. I have a small iPhone and a while back I installed the Wikipedia app out pof interest, but soon abandoned it. It's fine for viewing articles, but absolutely rubbish for editing them. I also believe there are still issues that if another user tries to notify you of something - even issuing warnings - you simply don't see them. Then one day you wake up blocked because you appeared to be ignoring communications , when, in reality, you didn't see them in the first instance. With Safari or Chrome as your browser in iOs, you can choose mobile view for easy reading and very short edits, of use the tiny link right at the bottom of the page to switch to desktop view, where you get full editing functionality. Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:51, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@Nang Nandini - be aware of WP:THEYCANTHEARYOU casualdejekyll 22:08, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh hell, I am really getting issues with editing in IPad as the browser needs tabs and the Apple’s app created a mess. I must consider installing other browser than Safari. --Nang Nandini (talk) 08:39, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Nang Nandini: I use Safari and it work just fine to me, but that might be because I use the desktop view. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:36, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: I am in stack with my iPad. I need to open/back/reopen for citation editing. --Nang Nandini (talk) 12:44, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Nang Nandini: Ahh yes, adding citations on an iPad is a pain as it is hard to copy and paste the title and url usually and sometimes while I’m copying the title from an article Wikipedia refreshes and I have to start all over with my edit. That is why I add in citations using a laptop. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:48, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Nguyễn Viết Thanh

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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 TCNGUYEN1007 (talk) 01:14, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @TCNGUYEN1007! Welcome!

Do you have a question about editing or using Wikipedia? casualdejekyll 01:25, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I tried to add to the article the complete military career of General Thanh by inserting my rough translation of the article about General Thanh in Vietnamese. I did provide the following for my edits (The complete General Thanh military career is added with reference provided based on the book Lược sử Quân lực Việt Nam Cộng hòa written by Trần Ngọc Thống, Hồ Đắc Huân, Lê Đình Thụy ISBN 0985218207, 9780985218201). However, my contribution was removed repeatedly with the following comments: " you do not seem to be able to write to the standards required of this project. Your additions are poorly written, indicating that you are a non-native English speaker, emotionally-loaded which fails WP:NPOV and you clearly do not know how to provide inline citations. Until you have improved your competence level, your additions to this page are a net negative to the project"

On top of my edit, I have this comment: (The following Biography and Military Career is a rough translation from the Nguyễn Viết Thanh – Wikipedia tiếng Việt)

How do I resolve the objections? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TCNGUYEN1007 (talk • contribs) 01:52, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Talk to the editor in question to see where they are coming from. Tagging @Mztourist - however, they are being quite aggressive and should knock it off. Both of you, be WP:CIVIL, and don't accuse people of incompetence. Remember: Competence is acquired. casualdejekyll 02:09, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I am going to say this, that page is currently in terrible condition. IT looks like there was an attempt to create sections years ago but clearly they aren't sections. I've tagged the page with a few maintenance tags. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:11, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, TCNGUYEN1007. Each language version of Wikipedia establishes its own policies and guidelines. When article content is translated from another Wikipedia to the English Wikipedia, it must comply with the standards here. One of the core content policies here is the Neutral point of view. Read it, please. Your edit included He was a talented, virtuous commander, beloved and admired by his subordinates. He was also one of the four generals of the Republic of Vietnam who were considered to be talented, integrity and uncorrupted. That language violates the neutral point of view and cannot be stated in Wikipedia's voice. Similarly, on English Wikipedia, we have a core content policy of Verifiability, and that policy is met by inline citations of reliable sources. You have not done so. Please read Referencing for beginners to learn how to do this. I disagree with the accusations that your English language skills are inadequate because you are not a native speaker. You write clearly and any minor errors are easy to correct. Cullen328 (talk) 02:22, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I made sections. Much of what you recently added was deleted because it had no references. Consider working on content in your Sandbox, adding references, and only then paste into the article. David notMD (talk) 02:28, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

User:Cullen328 thank you for your concise words which confirm my previous advice to User:TCNGUYEN1007. User:Casualdejekyll before you accuse me of being aggressive and telling me to "knock it off" why don't you read what TCNGUYEN1007 actually wrote and then see where the competence issues lie. Mztourist (talk) 02:54, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

No, @Mztourist. As far as I can tell, most of the addition is in perfect English. The only issues are the NPOV and the citations. While I do think a revert was definitely the right course of action, calling him incompetent and a net negative is ridiculous and a personal attack. I think I was well within my right of telling you to knock it off. The competence issues lie.. nowhere. Nobody here is incompetent. Nobody here is inadequate. To quote Cullen's concise words which I also agree with, You [TCNGUYEN1007] write clearly and any minor errors are easy to correct. casualdejekyll 03:02, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

User:Casualdejekyll "Perfect English"? Read the first paragraph that TCNGUYEN1007 added: "Nguyễn Viết Thanh (1931-1970) was a former Major General of the Army of the Republic of Vietnam. He graduated the 1951 Class which was named Lý Thường Kiệt (Fourth Class) at the Viet Nam Military Academy in the Central Highlands of Vietnam. After graduation, he began his military career as a platoon and ascended through the chain of command to be come a commander of The IV Military Zone of Viet Nam. He was a talented, virtuous commander, beloved and admired by his subordinates. He was also one of the four generals of the Republic of Vietnam who were considered to be talented, integrity and uncorrupted. Praised widely by the military at the time as: First Thắng, Second Chinh, Third Thanh, Fourth Trưởng (Nhất Thắng, Nhì Chinh, Tam Thanh, Tứ Trưởng). In 1970, as the commander of the IV Corps and the 4th Military Region, he directed the offensive operation from the air into Cambodia and he was killed by a helicopter collision while on the battlefield. Afterward, he was promoted to Lieutenant General." You think that's "perfect English"? Given the amount of cleanup that would be required to make that comprehensible and useful, assuming that RS could be found these are not "minor errors" and that is not a positive contribution to the project but a net negative as I said. Mztourist (talk) 03:36, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Mztourist, I do not have a dog in this fight, but speaking as a former professional editor of English-language Science textbooks, I would judge the extract you quote above to be written in good and comprehensible English, with only three or four minor and easily correctable grammatical errors. It may or may not be factually accurate, and it is certainly non-neutral and stuffed with peacock prose, but is in no way 'incompetent' and requiring of unusual amounts of 'cleanup'. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.209.121.1 (talk) 18:32, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/90.209.121.1 firstly why don't you have an account? Secondly as an ESL qualified teacher myself the extract is not "written in good and comprehensible English, with only three or four minor and easily correctable grammatical errors". Mztourist (talk) 03:11, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate all of your comments and suggestions. I have stated at the beginning that my edit is a rough translation of the article in Vietnamese. I tried to translate as close to the source as possible. I do not provide my own opinion, and I have not attempted to provide inline citations because the source is the book published In Vietnamese ( Lược Sử Quân Lực Việt Nam Cộng Hòa written by Trần Ngọc Thống, Hồ Đắc Huân, Lê Đình Thụy ISBN 0985218207, 9780985218201)

I will abandon my effort to add more information to the article. They are already publicly available in Vietnamese anyway. TCNGUYEN1007 (talk) 03:34, 25 February 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TCNGUYEN1007 (talk • contribs) 03:31, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh boy. Well, @Mztourist, congratulations, you have bitten a newbie. casualdejekyll 19:25, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

User:Casualdejekyll if it stops creating unnecessary cleanup work for experienced Users then that's good. That's exactly what WP:COMPETENCE is meant to address, I suggest that you read the first two bullets of What is meant by "Competence is required"?​ Mztourist (talk) 03:11, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I have read that many times. I suggest YOU read WP:CIRNOT. casualdejekyll 12:39, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Be nice to each other please. If you must argue with each other do it on one of your talk pages and not the Teahouse. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:51, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@TCNGUYEN1007: Do you actually know Vietnamese? If not then you really shouldn't be attempting to translate. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:35, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

There might be too much "talking across each other" here. @TCNGUYEN1007, you said that your additions were a rough translation of the article in Vietnamese. I believe you. Other editors mentioned Neutral point of view. They are correct also.

To meet in the middle: when the Vietnamese article "praises" the subject, you need to edit the rough translation to remove that praise. The English Wikipedia does not praise the people the article is about.

There was some discussion about the quality of the prose. In my opinion, it's not bad. A few issues:

• "he began his military career as a platoon" ... A person can't be a platoon.
• "who were considered to be talented, integrity and uncorrupted" ... There's a grammatical error here, but this sentence needs to be removed anyway for the praise or "puffery".
• "He graduated the 1951 Class" ... needs "in" or "with" after "graduated".
• "to be come a commander" ... "be come" should be one word "become".

I don't see much else wrong. It's maybe not "perfect" English, but I agree that it won't require a lot of cleanup. Don't let the criticism scare you away. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:29, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguy%E1%BB%85n_Vi%E1%BA%BFt_Thanh is a long article, so I used machine translation in the first pass. Then, I spent a lot of time researching comparable English terms for many organizations or military branches. Finally, I used Microsoft Word to catch misspelled words and grammar errors. That is why I stated that my contribution is a rough translation of the original article in Vietnamese. I know I have to include inline citations, but the information is from a Vietnamese book (Lược Sử Quân Lực Việt Nam Cộng Hòa written by Trần Ngọc Thống, Hồ Đắc Huân, Lê Đình Thụy ISBN 0985218207, 9780985218201). How many people can read Vietnamese to verify the information? That is why I did not bother to include inline citations. At least, I disclosed that the information is from the Lược Sử Quân Lực Việt Nam Cộng Hòa book and my contribution is a rough translation from https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguy%E1%BB%85n_Vi%E1%BA%BFt_Thanh . I was so focused on getting appropriate comparable English terms and vocabulary for my translation. So, I did not catch all of the basic English errors. Lastly, I did not know that I have to maintain NPOV here. All I want to do is add more information to the article by accurately translating a Vietnamese Wikipedia article. Being a newbie did not help either. This is my first time editing an article, so I have to figure out how to navigate the systems. Thanks again for your comments and suggestions. TCNGUYEN1007 (talk) 02:47, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This has turned into me and Mztourist arguing, which is not even remotely productive. My recommendation is that any discussion continues on Talk:Nguyễn_Viết_Thanh, and that everyone remembers to WP:AGF and comment on content, not on contributors. casualdejekyll 14:34, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Roles/Permissions

How do I check if I have autoconfirmed role yet? Mazzua24 (talk) 13:47, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

You are confirmed.You are not confirmed. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 14:05, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Your account is less than 4 days old, so you are not autoconfirmed. You can check at Special:UserRights. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:11, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mazzua24: Welcome to the Teahouse! You can access Special:UserRights by going to your user page and clicking "View user groups" in the toolbar on the left side of the screen. GoingBatty (talk) 14:35, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Are "Bohemian Matrices" notable enough?

Full disclosure: I have a stake in this question. I have published several papers and now a Jupyter Book that talk about "Bohemian Matrices". There are also at least three papers by people not in my research group that have been published. There have been workshops at various places, and minisymposia at major meetings (SIAM and ICIAM) on the subject, with famous (well, math/CS-famous) speakers. I will give some links below.

A "Bohemian matrix family" is a family of matrices all of whose entries are drawn from a finite population, usually integers. The name comes from "BOunded HEight Matrix of Integers" but has been extended to other quantities (Gaussian integers, for instance).

The idea makes sense: it is a specialization in the sense of Polya, and the notion has already been productive. See www.bohemianmatrices.com for more. In particular, the eigenvalues make fabulous pictures. I made a calendar for this year (you can find it at my website rcorless.github.io) and this will be discussed in the upcoming MAA Focus Newsletter.

So *I* think the subject is notable enough for an article. Any seconders?

Here is a list of some external sources:

https://computational-discovery-on-jupyter.github.io/Computational-Discovery-on-Jupyter/index.html (see Chapter 4)

A search by Google Scholar brings up several papers (mostly by me and my co-authors, and many on the arXiv still, it's true). But for instance

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.laa.2020.03.037

is a paper in the very well-regarded journal Linear Algebra and its Applications. There are several others, and at least two PhD theses (by Steven Thornton and by Eunice Chan).

As for workshops, the first was the 2018 workshop in Manchester, organized by Nick Higham (FRS) and me; the second was the ICIAM minisymposium at Valencia in 2019 (Cleve Moler was a speaker at that minisymposium); the third at SIAM Annual Meeting 2021 (Gil Strang was a speaker at that minisymposium).

Nick Higham's column in SIAM News (his last one as SIAM president) was on the topic.

https://sinews.siam.org/Details-Page/rhapsodizing-about-bohemian-matrices

So I'm pretty sure that the topic *does* meet the normal standards for notability. But as I said I have a stake in this and so it might be better if someone would volunteer to write the article for me (I'm a total newbie here on Wikipedia anyway; just made my tenth edit today, whee!)

But if no-one else wants to do it, but at least one person other than me thinks this meets the criteria for notability, I am happy to invoke the Article Wizard and have a go.

Comments anyone? Rob.Corless (talk) 01:45, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Rob.Corless,

Welcome to the Teahouse! This is a noticeboard for general questions about editing on Wikipedia. So, your explanation of your sources goes beyond what most of us can evaluate. My suggestion to you is that we have WikiProjects where editors with specific interests can collaborate together. You are more likely to find like-minded people who could make sense of the sources you describe than the experienced editors who help out at the Teahouse. I'm so in the dark about what you are describing that I'm not sure which WikiProject this would fall under...maybe WikiProject Mathematics? But that's just a guess. You might browse through Category:Active WikiProjects and see if there is a more appropriate WikiProject that is listed as being active. Good luck! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:33, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Liz! I shall go lurk on the Mathematics Project for a bit to see if that's the right place (I suspect that it is; that's the way I think of it, although there are some people who think of it more as Mathematics and Art). Rob.Corless (talk) 15:03, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Declined Draft and Name Change

have a draft which was recently declined and needed help reviewing it, also i would like to change the draft title if its possible https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Babayo_Ardo from Babayo Ardo - to Babayo Ardo Kumo Kabirbapson (talk) 13:30, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kabirbapson:  Done! GoingBatty (talk) 14:32, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Declining reviewers of Draft:Babayo Ardo Kumo state that needs references to support text. It is also possible that even with more references, his government roles as appointed (not elected) may not justify an article. David notMD (talk) 15:26, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Transferring a foreign article

There is a German Wikipedia article on the painter Christian Sell ( https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Sell ) which can be translated into English ( https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Christian_Sell?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc). The artist seems to pass the notability test and many of his paintings are on Wikimedia Commons. Is it possible to move the translation onto the English vesion of Wikipedia where editing can be more easily be done by non-German speakers? BFP1 (talk) 14:34, 28 February 2022 (UTC) BFP1 (talk) 14:34, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@BFP1: Welcome to the Teahouse! You can find some helpful information at Help:Translation. GoingBatty (talk) 14:39, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

hi BFP1! there also seems to be an essay dedicated to translations from the German Wikipedia specifically which you may also want to read. happy editing!  melecie  t - 14:43, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both. As there is no English Wikipedia article on this subject, it will have to be submitted as a new article whilst crediting the source article. Another complication is that although the photos are on Wikimedia Commons, the titles are in German. These would have to be changed in the English version. I won't rush into this! BFP1 (talk) 16:12, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Huffman, Texas

In the first paragraph there seems to be an error. For services rendered, Huffman received $24 and 324 acres (1.31 km2) of land in 1838. Along with his father Abe, Huffman and a group from Louisiana settled in the area north of FM 1960 and east of FM 2100 in 1840. Location: Lakewood Heights, FM 1960, 734 Fall Creek Drive Huffman Texas 77336 settled in the area north of FM 1960 and east of FM2100, but the Location: 734 Fall Creek Drive is west of 2100. Jadusa (talk) 14:50, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Jadusa Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may want to raise this at the talk page associated with that article, Talk:Huffman, Texas, so that editors that follow that article will see it. 331dot (talk) 14:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Or just fix it. The article gets only 20 views per day, and Page views states that the number of Watchers is Unknown. Making a note of what you did on the Talk page is a good idea. David notMD (talk) 16:15, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I just removed the information. It had no source, and when I checked the sources already cited in the article, I could find nothing to confirm the information. Unreferenced information of this kind, which is already of questionable veracity, can safely be removed from articles without further discussion, unless sources are provided. --Jayron32 17:51, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Загрузка фотографий на викисклад

Всем доброго времени суток! Подскажите пожалуйста, при оформлении статьи возникла такая проблема, фотографии без авторских прав (ну точнее на них никто не заявлял, фото сделанные коллегой) были выложены на викисклад и успешно использованы в статье. Через две недели фото были удалены, по причине авторских прав и недостаточности аргументов, что их можно использовать, в итоге статья "облысела". Как можно исправить этот конфуз и загрузить фото на викисклад правильно 31.173.86.126 (talk) 16:14, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse on the English Wikipedia, where we would like conversations to be in the English language. Pasting your post into Google Translate, I see you have a question about images uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. Your colleague can donate photos by following the steps at commons:Commons:First steps/Uploading files/ru. If you need further assistance with Commons, please see commons:Help:Contents/ru. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:33, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Rough Russian translation of GoingBatty's message for the IP who does not appear to understand English: Добро пожаловать в Чайхану на английской Википедии, где мы хотели бы, чтобы разговоры велись на английском языке. Вставив свой пост в Google Translate, я вижу, у вас есть вопрос об изображениях, загруженных на Викисклад. Ваш коллега может пожертвовать фотографии, выполнив действия, описанные в commons:Commons:First steps/Uploading files/ru. Если вам нужна дополнительная помощь с Commons, см commons:Help:Contents/ru. Translated into Russian with Google Translate ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:55, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Deleted edits

Hi, can an admin please tell me who proposed for deletion the article List of largest California cities by land area. The information is needed for a sockpuppet investigation where the suspected sockpuppet's first edit was to template the article creator with a prod notification, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 19:26, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Muboshgu: Pinging the deleting admin. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:32, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Atlantic306, Sikonmina (talk · contribs) nominated for PROD. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:36, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

thanks for your help, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 19:38, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Raye Montague bio

According to the article that was posted on your platform, Raye Montague viewed the inside of a captured German U Boat. This information is incorrect. It was a captured Japanese Midget Submarine from the attack on Pearl Harbor on 12/07/1941, that was toured around the country. It was the same vessel that Raye Montague paid one dollar to gain entrance and peaked her interest in becoming an engineer. 76.79.124.106 (talk) 19:40, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Raye Montague

Hello IP! Do you have a reliable source supporting this claim? If so you should suggest this change on the article's talk page. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:41, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

(ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please raise this on the article talk page, Talk:Raye Montague, so that the editors that follow that article will see it. Please also offer any independent reliable sources you have to support that claim, for verification purposes; unfortunately we can't just take your word for it. 331dot (talk) 19:42, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Actually, looking at the article, it says nothing about Raye viewing the inside of a captured U-Boat or viewing the inside of anything. Did you possibly get the wrong person? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:43, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

In fact, it only says this: "after seeing a German submarine that had been captured by the Americans". It says nothing about her viewing the inside of the sub. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:45, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Wondering how to properly format an image

So, there's this article (Byrd Dickens) but the inserted photo shows up as a thumbnail. When I remove the thumb formatting, the image becomes giant and takes up half the page! 😱😱😱 I've seen other articles on notable figures, and they never have a thumbnail picture. It's always properly formatted. I was just wondering if any more experienced editors know how to properly format this image. Any help would be really great. PetSematary182 (talk) 20:48, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@PetSematary182: Hello PetSematary! I've added a size parameter (250px short for pixels) to the image and removed the thumb param. I'm fairly sure the infobox should automatically adjust the size of the image but I could be wrong. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:53, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Blaze Wolf! I really appreciate the assistance. PetSematary182 (talk) 20:55, 28 February 2022 (UTC)PetSematary182

@PetSematary182: No problem! Technically the thumbnail adjusts the size to a thumbnail (-ish) size automatically, however it adds a border around the image and is usually meant to be used outside of an infobox. Edit: While typing this I think what's causing it is that it's a link to the actual file. Infoboxes automatically add the file when you type the name of the file without brackets or the File: part. I'll make the adjustment when I finish this reply. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:57, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Edit did not get approved

I added information regarding the acquisition of a company (Teach Away) along with a couple of sources. The sources were external. Yet my edits were declined and now the page has been put into review for deletion. Can someone please let me know what did I miss? Also, if the person who recommended the deletion can let me know where I went wrong that would be helpful. I am new to wikipedia editing but my understanding was to include as many external sources as possible.  Starkbruce574 (talk) 20:46, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Starkbruce574: Third-party sources with editorial oversight and identifiable authors that aren't just routine news and have no connexion to the company, its officers, or its surrogates. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:37, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Starkbruce574, Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 23:00, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

You added content sourced to the Teach Away website and content with hyperlinks to the company that acquired Teach Away (and its website). Thus, NOT external. If you remove the hyperlinks and finds indepdendent refs, the article may survive the AfD. If not, not. David notMD (talk) 23:22, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Help linking article

Hello, I have a question. I just finished the article John M. Whitehead (soldier) and I would like to link it to his section of List of American Civil War Medal of Honor recipients: T–Z. The link redirects to the wrong person so I would like to replace with a link to the correct article mentioned above. I cannot figure out how to do this so any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance. Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 23:26, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gandalf the Groovy: Like this? ––FormalDude talk 23:34, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@FormalDude talk Exactly like that, thank you!

How do you get good sources for companies

Hey guys, I am writing for a company based out of Toronto that has had media coverage. How do I come up with more sources or find those existing sources credible for my article. This company has a long list of reputable work. 207.148.176.143 (talk) 23:21, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

You have a conflict of interest and per the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use, you need to disclose it. As for finding reliable sources, take a look at WP:Finding sources. ––FormalDude talk 23:37, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

See also WP:NCORP. The requirements for companies and corporations are stricter then the usual requirements. casualdejekyll 23:43, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Citation Error

Hi, I recently edited the article Chapin School (New Jersey) and a citation error for the enrollment error appeared. It says Cite error: The named reference https://www.univstats.com/k-12/new-jersey/princeton/chapin-school was invoked but never defined (see the help page). Can anybody help? (I'm a new Wikipedian, this is literally my first edit. Mr Reading Turtle (talk) 22:55, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Mr Reading Turtle, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I'm afraid you have misunderstood how references work. The "name=" part, which is optional, is for naming a reference in case there should be more than one citation of the same reference in an article. The content of a reference goes between <ref> and </ref> (the short form you used <ref name="..." /> is for when you're providing no content specifically because you're citing an already-named reference again). The content could be just a URL, but there is a strong preference for a formatted reference that separates out the important bibliographic information such as the title, date, author and publisher. This is most easily done by a template such as {{cite web}}. Please see referencing for beginners. ColinFine (talk) 23:10, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mr Reading Turtle I changed the reference formatting. I hope this helps. Karenthewriter (talk) 23:24, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Mr Reading Turtle (talk) 00:15, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I read the article. Mr Reading Turtle (talk) 00:15, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

consensus on low-traffic article

If we have disagreement with other editor, how can we have consensus to get dispute resolution, esp. when the disputed content is in low-traffic article as almost no-one notice discussion on it's talk page. Ckfasdf (talk) 03:16, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Hey! Have you taken a look at Third opinion? Seems like exactly what you're after here. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 03:26, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I have tried that but rarely result to consensus, RfC works better. but again barely anyone put comment. Ckfasdf (talk) 03:32, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

With just three people I'd assume you'd rarely get a definitive consensus, but from what I've seen RFCs are usually pretty active. If those don't work you could head to the dispute resolution noticeboard. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 03:48, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

You can also try putting a neutral notice pointing to the discussion on any relevant wikiproject talk pages. (Like this notice, for instance). You can find relevant wikiprojects by looking at what WikiProject banners are at the top of the article's talkpage. Note that some projects are more active than others, so this may be more or less effective depending on the topic. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 11:04, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ckfasdf: I assume this is about  Courtesy link: Polish Air Force. For your benefit (and for others that advise new editors here) apparently there's a certain threshold of dispute that has to be met before an RfC should be opened. I was summoned by the feedback response service bot to Talk:A Discovery of Witches (TV series)#RFC and commented, thinking nothing of it, and the initiator was subsequently scolded for starting the RfC prematurely. Apparently going to a Wikiproject page and asking for help first is the preferred path. I see you started a discussion over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#List of equipment of the Polish Land Forces and got some help there, so that's good. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:45, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: Actually, it was not on that page ☺. If we really need to be specific it was on Talk:Belize Defence Force#RFC on usage of image2 parameter on infobox. I did ask related wikiproject first, but still no comments and then open RfC and notify related wikiproject. Ckfasdf (talk) 01:00, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Is Wordpress reliable?

I am wondering, as I added a Wordpress source that is the official Survivalcraft WordPress and wondering if that is reliable. 2601:CE:4002:A0A0:A029:C9A9:B866:298B (talk) 02:30, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP! No it is not a reliable source as it is a blog. See Wordpress' entry at WP:RSP. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:40, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Wordpress is an example of a website building utility used by (often enthusiastic) amateurs to produce their own personal websites (WP:SPS); some of these look very convincing, but will have an annotation footer, something like 'Powered by Wordpress'.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 03:05, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

default order

Hello, I'd like to default order a list I've made but don't know how. Where can I find that info? Dutchy45 (talk) 03:18, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Dutchy45! Currently, the only way to set a default order for a table is to list out the items in the order you want in the wikitext. For more general help on sorting, see Help:Sorting. If you tell us which page you're working on and which sort order you want, we might be able to help further. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:21, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Sdkb, I made this list over a year ago and just looked at the talk page and saw User:SuperJew comment. I remember wanting to fix it back then, but real life got in the way and I just forgot about it.--Dutchy45 (talk) 03:29, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@Dutchy45 It looks like you're using {{Sortname}} for the names, which is excellent. If sorting for other columns isn't working as expected, you may want to specify the sort data type (see Help:Sorting again). Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:36, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@Sdkb Ok, thanks for your help. Dutchy45 (talk) 03:40, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Editor's note after conviction

I have asked this question twice and didn't get any proper reply. So, I am here.

Rana Ayyub wrote this in March 2015.-Nun rape and church vandalism: The fringe is now mainstream

Her article ends, stating that Bangladeshis were not responsible and the accused are local demons(possibly implying local criminals belonging to ruling party). After the arrests of the Bangladeshi accused, who were convicted by the local court, an editor's note was added at the end, that the article was written before the arrest.

The editor's note was added after the conviction, initially, it was not there.

Contrary to what she wrote, actually, most accused were Bangladeshis. That was the reason, why the editor had to leave a note at the end of the article, after the conviction of real rapists.

She promoted her article twice through her Twitter account and did not delete or gave any updates, in spite of the court verdict.

https://twitter.com/ranaayyub/status/577862190906011648

https://twitter.com/ranaayyub/status/577805661460795392

Can this be inserted in the controversy section of Rana Ayyub, as she gave wrong information and didn't clarify afterward, in spite of the editor adding a note at the end of the article? Knight Skywalker (talk) 05:53, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Knight Skywalker, if you'd like to make a suggestion for the article Rana Ayyub, please do so on Talk:Rana Ayyub. (If possible, make a precise suggestion, as a "semi-protected edit request".) -- Hoary (talk) 07:30, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Is there a plan to do another backlog drive in AFC?

Its at 2900+ for a couple of days now and doesn't seem to be decreasing. WillsEdtior777 (talk) 03:20, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @WillsEdtior777! There are no backlog drives currently scheduled, but they appear to happen regularly, so you could ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation. I know the backlog in that area is chronically long; there's just a lot of pages to go through. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:24, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hey! FYI, these backlog drives don't happen very often at all, and the most recent one started with over 4,000 pending submissions. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 03:25, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

WillsEdtior777 Normally the backlog is double of the above number indicated and there is no first come first serve basic for AfC for reviewers would choose the articles which they are comfortable or familiar with the subject to review at their own time for all of them are volunteers. Backlog drive will only done from time to time basic when the backlog volume is extremely high. Kindly be patient if your articles have yet to be reviewed. If you have any question regarding your draft article, you can post your questions at WP:AFCHD. Be safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 03:29, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I see,thanks everyone. WillsEdtior777 (talk)

Last drive was July 2021. It reduced the number from over 4,000 to zero. Three of the Reviewers were responsible for 3,000 reviews!!! David notMD (talk) 08:42, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Problems with reliable sources

Hello Teahouse-visitors, My article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Caspar_Berger was rejected again because it is not supported by reliable sources. This seems strange to me, because it is a 1:1 translation of an existing Dutch article on this sculptor with the same references. - Are English editors more strict (nothing wrong with that)? - What can I do when there are no reliable sources to be found on the internet? Some pages with information about past exhibitions are no longer online and also references to his teachers are hard to find. - Is it OK to link to the website of Casper Berger himself? BregtjeV (talk) 10:05, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@BregtjeV: Each Wikipedia language edition is a seperate project with seperate, albeit similar, rules and policies and mostly different editors, which means that what is acceptable on one project is not nessesarely acceptable on a different project. Historically, the english Wikipedia is one of the more strict projects. Sources do not need to be online. The subject's homepage is sometimes acceptable, and sometimes not. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:11, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Isaiah Brown Wikipedia Page

Create Page for Isaiah Brown Music/Musician Can we please create a page for artist 'Isaiah Brown?' His music is found on all platforms and the story behind his music will inspire millions, especially during these crazy times. There is lots of press available to read by searching on google: "Isaiah Brown Musician," and it is time for his art to be recognized by this community so his listeners can find more info on him seamlessly.

Thank you kindly for your time. IsaiahBrownMusic (talk) 06:01, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

With a username like that, you'll find it difficult to be taken seriously doktorb _words^deeds 06:03, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

IsaiahBrownMusic, if Isaiah Brown would like "his listeners [to be able to] find more info on him seamlessly", he can alter and augment his website accordingly. -- Hoary (talk) 07:41, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@IsaiahBrownMusic: Wikipedia is not for the up-and-coming; they must have already "arrived". And telling us to look at Google is like giving us a magnet and telling us to look for a bone needle in a barn stuffed to the gills with hay. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 08:06, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

You are on the steep end of the learning curve. Your User name is not allowed, as it suggests a business rather than an individual. Stop using this account and start a new one, or else use the name change process. You attempted to create an article on your User page, which is forbidden, so deleted. You attempted to create a draft in your Sandbox by copy-pasting copyright protected content, so it was deleted. Last, Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not author drafts. David notMD (talk) 08:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IsaiahBrownMusic. I'm afraid that you have a (very common) misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is: Wikipedia has nothing whatever to do with promotion of any kind. If you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability (and only if you do), then there could be an article about you - you are discouraged from trying to create it yourself, but not forbidden. Whoever created it, the article would not belong to you, would not be controlled by you, would not be for your benefit except incidentally, would not necessarily say what you wanted it to say, and should be based almost 100% onwhat people unconnected with you had published about you, not on what you or your associates say or want to say. ColinFine (talk) 10:28, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Edit summary

What is edit summary for every single editor? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:CDB1:E760:9B90:B9E9 (talk) 10:34, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

You can read about edit summaries at WP:ES, hope that helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

The Walking Zombie 2

Hi, I am Billapartygang123, a new user on Wikipedia. For a few days, I have been trying to get permission for approval of my draft 'The Walking Zombie 2' but earlier It wasn't meeting Wikipedia's rules but now I have done extensive changes to it but now no one is even seeing it. Please see and approve my draft. Billapartygang123 (talk) 11:06, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Billapartygang123. I'm afraid you have done a common thing, and plunged straight into the most difficult task there is in editing Wikipedia. It's not that writing an article is particularly difficult: it's that by far the most important, and often the most challenging, part of creating an article is assembling the reliable independent sources on which every article should be based. It's like saying "I want to build a house: I can see what houses look like, and I'll make something that looks like them" without surveying the land to check it is stable, or inquiring into local building laws. Draft:The Walking Zombie 2 was declined by three different reviewers, and then finally rejected by Liance on 25th. Liance has said explicitly This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. In order to have any chance of getting a draft on this subject accepted, you will need to persuade a reviewer that there are sufficient sources of sufficient quality to establish that it is indeed notable in Wikipedia's sense. ColinFine (talk) 11:27, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

How long do draft re-reviews usually take?

Hi there! I'm asking because I re-submitted my draft 2 days ago, and I want to know how long the average wait time is.

I don't mean to be impatient, or rush. QuickQuokka ^[talk] 19:45, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: Hello Quokka! If you looked at the review template, it says this, "This may take 3 months or more". AfC can take a few days, or many months or years (I wouldn't know since I haven't created any drafts and submitted them via AFC) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:48, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: Hi! I noticed that, but I want to know, usually, about how much time it takes. Up to isn't what it usually is. QuickQuokka ^[talk] 19:52, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: I'm not sure if that's a question that can be answered since there's a huge variation in how long it can take. However if it is able to be answered I wouldn't be able to since I've only ever created 1 article, and that wasn't even through AFC. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:55, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: There really isn't a way to give you a definite answer. The category of drafts awaiting review is not a queue- reviewers choose what to review, when they have time to conduct one. It could be reviewed in the next five minutes, or six months from now if it slipped through the cracks. Typically, it will be what the message on your draft says or less. Do you have a particular need for a speedy review? 331dot (talk) 19:58, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@331dot: No, just wondering. QuickQuokka ^[talk] 20:02, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: I just took a look at the draft and you don't have enough sourcing to demonstrate notability. I looked at all the sources but didn't translate them all. Most of them look like simple cast directories, where the subject's name is just listed. Only 2 seem to be articles about the subject. I did translate those, and there's not very much info in them. This may be a case of WP:TOOSOON. See WP:NACTOR to read about the notability standard for actor articles, particularly the info about having multiple, significant roles.. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:33, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: Well, I translated it from the Hebrew aticle. It originally only had 3 sources. I plan on adding more content and sources. QuickQuokka ^[talk] 20:41, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Don't worry about content until you have found reliable sources: before that point, there is literally nothing that you can legitimately put into the draft, and if you don't find adequate sources then all your work will be wasted. ColinFine (talk) 22:58, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

QuickQuokka, here's what seems to be a widely shared notion about Wikipedia: I've found an article in the XYZ-language Wikipedia that looks worthwhile. There's no matching article in English-language Wikipedia. Because the original article doesn't carry any major warning template or similar, it has clearly been judged suitable for Wikipedia. So if I do a decent job of translating it into English, the result will obviously merit inclusion in English-language Wikipedia. This is at least doubly false. First, inclusion of an article in XYZ-language Wikipedia doesn't mean it merits inclusion there. (It might remain there because nobody has got around to radical revision, or deletion.) Secondly, even if an article does merit inclusion in the Wikipedia of one language, this doesn't necessarily mean that an article on the same subject merits inclusion in the Wikipedia of another language, let alone that a translation (even a good one) does. (There are additional problems, e.g. the naive belief among some "translators" that Google Translate and the like can substitute for proficiency in both languages.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:46, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: Oh, I apologize! I genuinely meant to make Wikipedia better, I didn't mean it like that. Also, I didn't use Google Translate/any other machine translation service. QuickQuokka ^[talk] 04:26, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Expect around a month. Dege31 (talk) 20:40, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

A few wrong answers here. What is correct is that the backlog is not a queue, so could be hours, days, weeks, months. Reviewers pick what they want to review (with a bit of an extra look at the oldest drafts). Teahouse hosts may also be reviewers, but asking at Teahouse does not prioritize. David notMD (talk) 23:15, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

There is no analysis posted at AfC as to whether previously declined drafts get a faster or slower review when resubmitted. David notMD (talk) 11:49, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Chat

Daviddayag (talk) 11:46, 1 March 2022 (UTC) can we have a chat-like ux here so people can actually be notified when someone answers them? i've asked / replied many times and those just got lost. Daviddayag (talk) 11:46, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@Daviddayag, welcome! For discussions on WP-talkpages, try this. Go here: Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures. Activate "Discussion tools". Now you will see a "reply" link at the end of every comment, and the reply-field has a button (little guy with a +) that makes it easy to WP:PING people. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:55, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

thank you!

Can I ask another question?

I keep getting "you have to have consensus to edit this" when I try to add a video to the Sun page. Do you know what this means?

BTW at first I got "you have to have copyrights to the video to post it" but it's my video, I have full copyrights to it. Daviddayag (talk) 11:58, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@Daviddayag I'll reply at your talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:15, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@Daviddayag - You should check out Wikipedia:Convenient Discussions! casualdejekyll 12:38, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Publication Date Inconsistency Between Websites for (Comic) Books

Hi all! Recently I've been editing collected edition books into pages on comic book characters or a specific series, and I have noticed there is an inconsistency in publication date. For example, all of my current edits I've used the publisher of the books as the only reference, but I have noticed other websites (Amazon, Goodreads, Open Library, Booktopia, etc) have a different date, or worse several dates across these same websites. I've noticed from several books no third-party website has had the same date as the publishers' website, from what I've seen at least, which is really obscure to me. So far its only been off by a few days to a week, but that's significant when using the day/month/year dating system. Should I just stick to the publisher as the one reliable source? I don't really know if this is even worth getting worked up over. RadiganSupreme (talk) 12:59, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@RadiganSupreme Welcome to the Teahouse. You're right that it probably isn't worth getting too worked up about. However, my view would be to use the publisher's own website. All the other sites have probably accessed some third part book database which contains errors. I can't comment about comics, but I note that many monthly magazine are physically printed and on the bookshelves with a month one ahead of the one we're in. That could be the same with comics, albeit on a weekly basis - I honestly don't know. Perhaps you could ask at WP:WikiProject Comics. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:05, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, RadiganSupreme! As a former bookseller and editor I concur with Nick Moyes. Because of the logistics of distribution, physical books, comics etc. are (or were) routinely delivered to retailers up to several weeks before the official publication date, and some unscrupulous or uncaring retailers sell copies early, leading buyers to think the work is already "published."

Moreover, the same works, even when printed in one location and distributed internationally, are routinely released on different publication dates in different countries. There are also "international editions", typically sold in airport departure malls of a country before the work is officially published in that country.

Finally, intended publications can be postponed by various legal or other factors even after distribution. Reputable review journals are sent review copies, sometimes as bound uncorrected proofs, many months before intended publication so that reviewers can read and write articles about the work that will appear shortly before or after publication, and the journal may then print the intended date before some delay occurs.

As Nick observes, monthly magazines did and do usually go on sale before the month printed on them: in some markets, the first of that month is or was intended as when that issue should be taken off the shelves to make room for other publications and for that one's next issue. A more recent phenomenon is monthly magazines printing 13 issues a year, twelve named plus a "Winter" or "Christmas" issue: to spread their appearances evenly, the month-dated issues progressively have to appear earlier and earlier in the previous months.

Thus, third parties can be honestly misled about publication dates, or be unwittingly talking about different releases. The most nearly reliable publication dates are statements by the publishers themselves made after publication, or by other industry professionals such as an author's agent. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.209.121.1 (talk) 19:14, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for responding Nick Moyes and 90.209. Your responses have been so helpful I've screenshotted them for future reference just in case I forget. I particularly appreciate the detailed response 90.209, as you've explained why the publisher of a particular book is objectively the most reliable source and that resolves any doubt in my head. Thank you again to both of you so much! RadiganSupreme (talk) 14:03, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

How do you edit the title of an article?

The Constitution of the United States: is it pro-slavery or anti-slavery refers to a speech by Frederick Douglass, not to the question it asks. The title of the speech has a question mark (as indicated in the first line of the entry) and should be in quotation marks. But "edit source" does not appear to include the title of the article. Maurice Magnus (talk) 14:34, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Speech names in article titles aren't supposed to be in quotations (I Have a Dream, for instance). To fix the issue with the question mark, you would have to submit a move request (see WP:RM). ― Tuna ^No_SurprisesPlease 14:39, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

African American Federal Judges

Can someone please add Judge Scovel Richardson (appointed by Dwight D. Eisenhower) in the list of "other courts" for African American Federal Judges. Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scovel_Richardson Thank You. 68.132.199.37 (talk) 13:58, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Done. Ruslik_Zero 14:40, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

How do you get website names for references/citations changed permanently?

One of the sources I use a lot and was going to request be updated a few months ago, I noticed was updated a month or two ago with it's new name which changed early last year, albeit the link for the website itself is still the same as it's always been, so still contains the name for the old website.

Here's a few that I want to get changed:

• - Rename collections-search.bfi.org.uk for this website to BFI Collections Search
• - Rename to old.bfi.org.uk for this website to Old BFI Sight & Sound or Old BFI Sight and Sound as there's a new version which doesn't contain the same stuff as the old version
• - Rename BFI for this website to BFI Sight & Sound or BFI Sight and Sound
• - Rename filmography.bfi.org.uk. for this website to BFI Filmography
• - Rename player.bfi.org.uk for this website to BFI Player
• - Rename www.screenonline.org.uk. for this website to BFI Screen Online or BFI Screenonline or even better BFI ScreenOnline Danstarr69 (talk) 04:01, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I assume you're asking for citations using those sites to be updated throughout Wikipedia, yes? I think bot requests might be the way to go. By the way, please don't use bold in that way: it screams "look at me! I'm important!" with no justification. ColinFine (talk) 10:22, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

References

Danstarr69 And if you are asking about the sources for a specific article (it's not at all clear to me what you are asking) then the best place to make a suggestion would be on that article's talk page.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:31, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ohconfucius: Could you please consider adding these changes to your Fix SOURCES script? GoingBatty (talk) 16:44, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

References

How do I add a reference with a link? Jadusa (talk) 17:39, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Jadusa. Please read Referencing for beginners. Cullen328 (talk) 18:05, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

The Weekly Mail

the weekly mail has also been an Indian newspaper. Therefore, do not try to connect it to any one place. Also, keeping in mind its current perspective, play a role in its contribution. Source : Library of congress https://www.loc.gov/item/sn88063725/ 2409:4052:4E93:2704:0:0:96CB:E408 (talk) 18:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! While the Wikipedia article called The Weekly Mail is about a newspaper in Wales, there have been other newspapers with the same name. Editors should be careful to only add links when the text is referencing the Wales newspaper. If articles are created about other newspapers with the same name, then we'll have to consider which (if any) would be the primary topic and potentially create a disambiguation page. GoingBatty (talk) 18:58, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I confirmed that the seven articles that link to The Weekly Mail article are all referring to the Welsh newspaper. GoingBatty (talk) 19:02, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

There is a note on Talk:The Weekly Mail telling the OP how to request a new article. The OP has chosen to ignore it. DuncanHill (talk) 19:05, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Peter Criss

I represent Peter Criss and am the webmaster of petercriss.net. I have been trying to make authorized changes, IE correcting his name and removing a photo but my changes keep being undone. Please help. Andrew sgambati (talk) 19:50, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

DISCLOSE FIRST, then we'll talk. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 19:54, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Andrew sgambati! Take the time to read these pages: WP:OWN, WP:COI and WP:BLP. Then you are welcome to make suggestions to improve the article at Talk:Peter Criss. You (or he) don't control the article, but it's possible you can have influence. If you are interested in giving WP access more usable pics of Peter Criss (we are really strict about copyright), check this link. And please tell him I liked his book. And music, I still have LP:s somewhere. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:04, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Merseburg Concentration Camp

How do I add written text to the article entitled Hammelberg Bavaria a large German training camp established 1893 and a section used as a POW camp called Merseburg 1916 named Stalag x111-c Alliston39 (talk) 19:28, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Alliston39, I can't tell what article you're referring to. Can you link to the article, with the name of the article title in double brackets, [[Like this?]] casualdejekyll 19:41, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm guessing it's Hammelburg, which is badly lacking in sources. Princess Persnickety (talk) 20:41, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello

How do I change the color of my user name FelixAnon (talk) 21:52, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@FelixAnon Try Wikipedia:Signature tutorial. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:27, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Texas Tech University Libraries (TTU)

Hello, I just created a main page for the Texas Tech University Libraries. However, either due to the category system or some other thing, it is still hidden in the search engines. I just want to clean up the category page for Texas Tech and have the library page easily seen for people searching for the page. TTULibrary (talk) 21:02, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@TTULibrary, indexing is covered at WP:Search engine indexing, but your article was draftified and is now at Draft:Texas Tech University Libraries (TTU). As a paid editor, you shouldn't have created it directly in mainspace in the firstplace, and your username is in violation of our policies as well. Please review WP:Conflict of interest. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:38, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

DYK hook

Courtesy link: Template:Did you know nominations/Sallie House

I know I'm not a newcomer to Wikipedia, but I am to the DYK process. Last Monday I nominated an article for DYK and it was accepted two days later. However, I noticed that when a DYK is accepted, the hook is moved to a prep area shortly afterwards (e.g. Template:Did you know nominations/Catatos). Mine was not. My question has two parts: 1) How long does it normally take for the hook to be moved to a prep area? 2) It's been eight days since I created the article. Is the accepted hook still eligible to be promoted (since it was accepted when the article was under a week old)? Thanks, Helen(💬📖) 23:39, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi HelenDegenerate, it's all good. Your DYK nomination has been moved to the list of approved nominations, and it will be promoted by a prep builder at some point. This can take a few days or a few weeks – the prep builders need to ensure a diversity of hooks within a given prep set so it just depends. Your hook has already been reviewed for eligibility, which is calculated based on the time of nomination, so the amount of time it takes to be promoted doesn't matter. DanCherek (talk) 00:00, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

CC BY-SA 3.0 but not CC BY-SA 4.0? Really?

I incorporated some CC BY-SA 4.0 text into an article, and someone just chewed me out saying that CC BY-SA 4.0 wasn't an allowed license for source material. I just read everything I could find, and nearly all of the references say CC BY-SA is the correct license, and a very few mention 3.0 as being ok specifically, but I can't find any mention at all of 4.0. Is there something toxic about 4.0? Is there a reference to that somewhere, so I can understand the issue? Thanks. BurritoTunnelMaintenance (talk) 23:26, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Found it with a bit more searching.BurritoTunnelMaintenance (talk) 23:29, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

This lists the difference between the two, although as far as I can see these are more differences in explicit wording than in intended meaning. The "human readable" versions provided are the same (word for word) for both 3.0 and 4.0. What the differences in the legalese are, and what exactly the ever so transparent WMF legal team thinks makes the newer version is more restrictive than the earlier (although, supposedly, the only thing it does make some more explicit waivers and definitions) is beyond me. Somebody on the legal team) might be able to clarify, although you should probably contact them directly via email and ask them to provide a clarification somewhere on Wiki. Attempt: @AKeton (WMF): in case somebody on the legal team wishes to elucidate here. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@BurritoTunnelMaintenance, the issue with CC BY-SA 4.0 for Wikipedia is not with the copyright parts. 4.0 adds sui generis database rights, something which Europeans have but Americans don't, to the license. This would affect reusing facts from Wikipedia in some ways. (Facts themselves are not covered by copyright in the US). WMF proposed switching to 4.0 with a waiver of database rights, but Creative Commons said that was not possible. CC BY 4.0 is fine even with database rights because it doesn't have the share-alike clause for downstream use. CC BY-SA 4.0 is fine for images. This is original research on my part. As far as I know there isn't a WMF explanation available to serve as a reference for this. StarryGrandma (talk) 00:37, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

That link there isn't right - you're meaning to type Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources, not Copying text from other sources. See the page WP:Namespace for a technical explanation why.. casualdejekyll 23:52, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

It looks like 4.0 is fixes to this problem. "Everywhere CC licensed works are hosted, the pre-4.0 versions of the Creative Commons licenses — the ones without the “cure” provision — should be disfavored." BurritoTunnelMaintenance (talk) 23:56, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

IANAL, but to me it looks like 4.0 is explicitly not compatible with 3.0 and before to try to motivate people to switch to 4.0. Somebody at the WMF got the exact opposite effect. casualdejekyll 00:20, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

History of Film Article Help?

Hello Teahouse! I am trying to edit the history of film article up to at least Good Article standards due to its status as a vital article but I've recently been struggling with tying a cohesive encyclopedic format to the structure of such a broad topic. It seems some time ago the page was split into the history of film Does anyone have any experience editing on such broad overviews of wide spans of historical information that could offer any tips? Thank you so much for your help in advance! Windyshadow32 (talk) 21:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@Windyshadow32, getting an article like History of film to GA will definitely be a challenge. WP:BROADCONCEPT has some general information about big articles like that. Regarding structure, I'd look at the tables of contents for history textbooks on film—see how they structure themselves, and then build your article sectioning based on that. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:43, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@Sdkb Thank you! Windyshadow32 (talk) 00:46, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

There is SO MUCH content without references. You may need to be brutal to remove content that is true but not moving the article forward in a significant way. David notMD (talk) 01:49, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Minor edit spams

Hello, I was just recently editing [States] and then some of the original details got deleted. Because of that, I went and redid it. However, I realised that something was missing. So, I had to go back and add the missing parts. Because of this, I felt like I was Doing some type of vandalism, and that's why some articles have Semi-Protection, to prevent vandalism on popular articles. If there is something I could to to prevent "spam editing", please tell me. Thank you. Mod creator (talk) 01:51, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mod creator: Hello Mod creator! Please read WP:BRD. If someone reverts your edit, discuss it with them instead of just redoing your edit. This can help prevent "spam editing". ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Who is the builder of Amer Fort?

@Muninnbot: Ji. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 01:50, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Karsan Chanda: Hello Karsan! This isn't an appropriate question for the Teahouse. Amer Fort has your answer. Also, you pinged Muninnbot, however you notified no one since that is a robot operated by a computer. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:51, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

One thing strikes me more on Wikipedia! If one has the psalms of a wrong idea, then the wrong can also be considered right. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 02:18, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

I- ok...? Please remember that Wikipedia and it's talk pages (including the Teahouse) are not forums. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:19, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Visual Editor

What is Visual Editor? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:B0C7:33DA:F24:29E0 (talk) 01:06, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

It's the WYSIWYG option for editing; see WP:VisualEditor for more details. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 01:32, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia, Visual editor is when you edit an article normally and not in source code like this Wikipedia. Hope this helps 2603:8000:F400:FCEA:941:D958:336A:B896 (talk) 01:07, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

For many editors, clicking the "Edit source" tab and using the source editor is normal - like we do on this Teahouse page. Other editors enjoy clicking the "Edit" tab to use the VisualEditor. GoingBatty (talk) 04:07, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Inprove this article

Hello i am new wikipedian. I trying to improve this article Tanjib Sarowar. Its now deletion mod Mksabbir (talk) 03:22, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mksabbir: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia, to improve the article you must look for independent reliable sources to back up the text in the article so that it can pass the notability guideline and not be deleted. Sadly if you cannot find an reliable sources the article will most likely get deleted. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 04:11, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Mksabbir: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest you review WP:MUSICBIO, determine if Sarowar meets any of the criteria, and then post your thoughts on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tanjib Sarowar (2nd nomination). If you can find any additional published reliable sources that provide significant coverage of Sarowar, please provide those as well. GoingBatty (talk) 04:14, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

"This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments..."

Why is my draft [[13]] marked as "This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view."? I'm not working for the company or far anyone related to them. It's my first full draft and I'm trying to do something clean and neutral. ReneRam63 (talk) 08:03, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Theroadislong, You added it [14], do you have a comment? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:14, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

It appeared rather unusual, in that User:Jsorrentino1972 started the draft and then ReneRam63 took over for their very first edits on Wikipedia, if there is no conflict of interest then the warning can be removed. Theroadislong (talk) 08:35, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

At the bottom of your Talk page there is a query as to whether your relationship to Consap is paid or other wise compensated (PAID), or if you have any personal connection to th company (COI). This is often posted when a new-to-Wikipedia editor appears who is working on only one draft about either a company or a person, such as an actor or musician. If not, reply there, confirming no connection. David notMD (talk) 09:42, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

User pages in other languages

Resolved

Hello, I was taught how to add a newly translated page to the Wikimedia topic so as to easily find it in other languages (hoping the terms I'm using are specific enough...).
My question is: is it acceptable to do so with my user page, as I have it in multiple languages? Or should I just leave the links leading to the foreign ones in the section where they already are?
Thanks
Llaaww (talk) 14:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Llaaww! You may have success at your userpage at Metawiki, which is used as your userpage for any wikimedia site without an already-existing userpage. I don't know if adding inter-language links works on languages, so it may be worth a try! I don't think there is anything prohibiting you either way :) Sennecaster (Chat) 18:13, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

You cannot link user pages using Wikidata (see d:Help:Items#Notable items) but WP:ILL#Local links explicitly mentions using local links for user pages. ColinFine (talk) 18:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks to both! I'll see what I can do!

Llaaww (talk•contribs) 21:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

ColinFine, thank you! I managed exactly how you suggested! Llaaww (talk•contribs) 09:44, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

The Eyes of Tammy Faye (2021 film) - wrong preview of BAFTA

The Eyes of Tammy Faye (2021 film) - wrong preview of BAFTA I was reading the The Eyes of Tammy Faye (2021 film) page , and found that if you go to the awards section the preview of British Academy Film Awards is a text on Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie--clearly a troll post. The link itself is fine, I have no idea how to change that preview. Thanks. 181.65.25.237 (talk) 20:28, 1 March 2022 (UTC). 181.65.25.237 (talk) 20:28, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello 181.65.25.237! Thanks for reporting the issue, it appears that the British Academy Film Awards article was briefly vandalised earlier today (looking at the History). Though it was very quickly corrected, it appears that the previews for the page have yet to return to normal. Currently any preview for that page shows the vandalism instead. Probably takes a little while for the changes to filter down through the database. Take care, LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 21:00, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

For anyone interested, the preview for British Academy Film Awards remained showing the vandalised version when I checked today. So I edited the lead to add the word "Test", this fixed the preview showing the vandal nonsense text. I then removed my "Test" word & it all appears back to normal. Seems like the preview does not update until something is added again? Anyway all is fine with it now. :) Hope this is of use! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 09:47, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Consent or approval from volunteers to editing a page?

Do I need approval from volunteers to edit a page? As I want to update a page that contained template messages, I studied the explanation article that even I update the citation needed, I could not remove the tags by myself? And the COI issue, is someone else (not related and neutral) editing the page afterwards, the volunteers will remove the tags, or he/she can remove by themselves? Patriziatan (talk) 08:20, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Patriziatan Hello and welcome. If you have a conflict of interest, you should not directly edit any articles related to your conflict of interest, but you may make edit requests(click for instructions) on the article talk page(in this case, Talk:Tong Bing Yu) detailing changes you feel are needed. Please understand that Wikipedia articles primarily summarize what independent reliable sources state about a topic. Once independent editors have examined the article, they will remove any tags if they feel those issues are addressed. 331dot (talk) 08:24, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Patriziatan Theere is the concept of Wikipedia:Consensus which is always present. Unless you are a WP:PAID editor or have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest there is no obstacle to your making any edits to any article (not page, article). If you make an edit where consensus goes against you then do not seek to force your will own the community. See Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle.

So you neither need consent, nor do you need approval. What you must do is to behave within the community's requirements. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 08:25, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Patriziatan That was a general answer. However, I see you have gone against community consensus with your edits to Tong Bing Yu. This is an error, the more so since it appears you have been advised against your actions. Time to stop away form editing the article (you also appear to have a COI) and to seek to build consensus for what you believe should happen on Talk:Tong Bing Yu. If you fail, step away with good grace. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 08:33, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies, I have one more thing to confirm, is it forbidden to translate wikipedia page to another language? As I was told not to translate article/page from ZH wiki to EN wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriziatan (talk • contribs)

It is not forbidden, but it has to be done right. If you want to translate a zh-WP article to en-WP, first, determine if the article you want to translate meets the demands of en-WP:s WP:GNG. If it doesn't, stop. If it does, follow the guidance at Help:Translation. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:05, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Can someone help simplify my signature?

I want it to be <span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 7px;background:#414548">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color: #00C3E3">Quick</span><span style="color: #FF4554">Quokka</span>]]</span> <sup>{{bracket}}[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]</sup>, which looks like QuickQuokka ^{[talk • contribs]}, however it is too long. Does anyone have ideas to simplify? QuickQuokka ^[talk] 18:30, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@Levi OP: Pinging since i know he would know how to fix it. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:37, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

First, the spaces in css, you don't need. Second, hex colors can be approximated and shortened using the first hexidecimal digit of the red, green, and blue (e.g. #414548   –> #444   they look very similar). Third, open and close brackets can be escaped using HTML codes ([ –> [). The last thing you can do is to use the css unit q instead of pixels (px). These are about the same size, and might look a little different, so you might have to mess around with their values. Combining these tactics results in code like this:

<span style="border-radius:9q;padding:0 7q;background:#444">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color:#0CE">Quick</span><span style="color:#F45">Quokka</span>]]</span> <sup>&#91;[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]</sup>

Which looks like this:

QuickQuokka ^{[talk • contribs]}

Luckily for you, this puts you right at the 255 character limit. If you have any questions, let me know. Thanks, ― Levi_OP^Talk 19:41, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@Levi OP: Damn, that's crazy. Thanks! QuickQuokka ^[talk] 19:47, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@Levi OP: It's not just crazy, it's art! BurritoTunnelMaintenance (talk) 00:04, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Levi OP: Nice work. Sorry to be a curmudgeon but unmatched source brackets can cause confusion, and we get bracket matching in two weeks. Maybe change &#91; to a normal bracket followed by a non-displayed character. That would also save three characters. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:34, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks for letting me know about bracket matching, I had no clue! (Finally!) I hadn't really thought about the problem very much and just used the first solution that came to mind. One thing though, is there a non-displayed character that is kind of "standard" that should be used? ― Levi_OP^Talk 03:41, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Levi OP: We usually avoid non-displayed characters, and for code separation we usually use nowiki or comments which are too long here, so we have no applicable standard. https://invisible-characters.com has some possibilities, e.g. word joiner. I don't know whether some tools or user scripts may replace it with an encoding but it would merely mean the signature becomes a few characters longer. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:40, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

I think I'll go with the word joiner, as it would probably cause the least problems when it comes to things like screen readers for the visually impaired, because would kind of be used the way it's intended. Taking that into consideration, @QuickQuokka, here is some new and improved code that will be future proofed, and four characters less:

<span style="border-radius:9q;padding:0 7q;background:#444">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color:#0CE">Quick</span><span style="color:#F45">Quokka</span>]]</span> <sup>[⁠[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]</sup>

Which appears like this (shouldn't be any different):

QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]}

The code you're copying might not appear any different, but there is now an invisible character in-between the first and second brackets that will stop it becoming a wikilink. ― Levi_OP^Talk 13:50, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

THX!!! QuickQuokka ^{[talk • contribs]} 13:51, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Review a draft

Hi, I hope you are having a great day. I was wondering what in this draft is wrongly written. Can you please help me to improve the content? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:VCX_Forum

Best regards, Benjamin Pak (talk) 11:55, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Where have independent sources (not connected with VCX-Forum, or with any of its members, written extensively about the forum? If the answer is "nowhere", then it does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Your sources all appear to be either from the forum, or about issues with which the foirum is concerned, but not about the forum. (I have not looked at the sources: I'm assuming from their titles, so it is possible that I am wrong). ColinFine (talk) 12:11, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

In the feedback which you have received, the words in blue are wikilinks to further advice. Those are what you need to read. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:15, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment, ColinFine, All the references below are independent sources, not produced/conducted by the Forum.

Bucher, François-Xavier; Park, Jaeyoung; Partinen, Ari (13 January 2019). "Issues reproducing handshake on mobile phone cameras". Society for Imaging Science and Technology. doi:10.2352/ISSN.2470-1173.2019.4.PMII-586.
Jonathan B., Phillips & Henrik, Eliasson (January 1, 2001) [1st pub. November 17, 2017]. "Chapter 9.4.3". Camera 
Image Quality Benchmarking. Wiley. ISBN 978-1-119-05449-8.
Sebastian, Sonntag (June 2020). "Smartphone Kameras im test - Smarte Kameras". p. 22-29.

Would it be okay?--Benjamin Pak (talk) 13:36, 2 March 2022 (CET)

Hello again, Benjamin Pak. Yes, those articles appear from the information you've given to be independent of VCX-Forum. But they also appear to be about subjects which aren't VCX-Forum. Do any of them contain a significant discussion of the forum, or is it just mentioned in passing? I don't understand your last comment at all: a title is a title. --ColinFine (talk) 13:57, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your prompt comment, ColinFine. The following articles contain a significant discussion of the VCX Forum standard:

1) Jonathan B., Phillips & Henrik, Eliasson (January 1, 2001) [1st pub. November 17, 2017]. "Chapter 9.4.3". Camera Image Quality Benchmarking. Wiley. ISBN 978-1-119-05449-8. 

Chapter 9, describes the benchmarks and A number of camera benchmark examples (including the VCX-Forum standards) are provided. Also detailed is the possible evolution to move even closer to the ideal benchmark and highlight the technologies that remain to be developed to achieve this goal.

2) Sebastian, Sonntag (June 2020). "Smartphone Kameras im test - Smarte Kameras". p. 22-29.

The article, in one set of eight pages, includes a comparative analysis of the VCX assessment standards with the magazine group's tests.Benjamin Pak (talk) 15:48, 2 March 2022 (CET)

Benjamin Pak, your draft is about the organisation VCX-Forum, not about its standards. Which are the reliable independent sources that contain significant material about the organisation?

I don't intend to engage further in this discussion, (which should in any case be on Draft talk:VCX Forum, not here). --ColinFine (talk) 15:23, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Can I delete bad websites of other people

 Buckaroo36 (talk) 14:08, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Buckaroo36: Hello Buckaroo! I'm not sure what you mean by "bad websites of other people". Would you mind elaborating? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:09, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Thankfully, no one can easily delete other people's websites. You might be interested to read our article on Security hacker.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:07, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Buckaroo36. If you mean, can you nominate for deletion Wikipedia articles that do not meet Wikipedia's standards, the answer is Yes. But you need to do some work to ensure that the article is not salvageable, or your deletion will be rejected, and if you make too many deletion nominations without doing this work, that is likely to be regarded as disrupvie: see WP:BEFORE. ColinFine (talk) 15:28, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Any help/advice appreciated on the Rankin(Photographer) page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankin_(photographer) Hi, I work mostly in Visual Editor at the moment. I noticed a while ago that this page was inaccurate (wrong birthplace) and seemed quite short and clunky, although a lot of articles appear online which describe biographical details, these were not reflected on the page. There were lists of music videos and books published by the artist on there at that time. I made additions to the bio, and I think as I was a new user and still learning to use Wikipedia, I made too many tiny edits, usually just a comma here or there.

I noticed that this was attracting attention to the page, as other edits started popping up, including a list of commercials directed and a list of exhibitions. After that, not only were the new lists deleted, the old lists of his work were, too.

The biography has been stripped back to a bare minimum despite citations for all the additions. Attempts to replace the artists work have been questioned as they were not "notable" enough, although publishing books and directing videos seems valid enough to me? The Talk page has become contentious, with a lot of emotionally charged and quite rude comments.

I have asked for help on there, and have been ignored or dismissed. Apart from trying to fix a couple of citations which I have done, I am afraid to do anything else as it seems the editors who control the page will not just delete anything I try to do now, but delete still more of the bio "while they are in there" - it looks to me at the moment completely slashed and much clunkier than when I first tried to "improve" it!

I feel really guilty that all mention of the artists work has been deleted, and the page ruined. All the collaborators who used to be named in the projects which were listed would feel pretty bad if they saw their contribution was wiped, I'm sure - I pointed this out, and was immediately accused of being affiliated with them in some way. I was trying to bring it into line with pages like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb_Ritts or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bailey, who both have extensive biographical sections and lists of their work.

Does anyone have any suggestions? the birthdate was removed. His studying accountancy was removed. His starting a student magazine was removed. The box stating issues with the citations in the opening paragraph has been in place for some time, despite my efforts to remove it - it doesn't seem to have any validity now, but it remains there.I'd appreciate any help, just to get it into decent shape::--CujoJnr (talk) 20:09, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I have added the year of birth with a source, the citation template was removed yesterday. If you think that creating a student magazine is notable enough to mention, you are free to add that, with a reliable source. Theroadislong (talk) 20:31, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Please don't feel guilty for starting a process whereby a Wikipedia article has been improved. CujoJnr. I get that you don't think it has been improved, because you have the (common) misapprehensionn that a Wikipedia is in some way for the benefit of its subject, or of other people mentioned in it: this is not the case, except incidentally. A Wikipedia article should be a neutrally written summary of what independent reliable sources say about the subject, nothing more. An article which contains a lot of unsourced or badly sourced material is a bad article, and should be improved. ColinFine (talk) 23:22, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

thank you for replying to me. I am trying to improve the article, and to reply to Theroadislong , no, I do not think that starting a student magazine is a notable act in itself. I have included Justlettersandnumbers and MBhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MB here as they are active on the page.

The very basic and fully citated biographic details I added were simply to show which 3 colleges he attended, and that he met a future colleague at the last one, that they then started a college magazine together, all of which is factual and verifiable - and was mentioned by me because he and the colleague shortly afterwards started a magazine which would become very successful.

It seems viable to mention this as the subject is one of the leading photographers in the country according to independent sources, and has since published a number of magazines. Showing how he got to a place where he was able to launch his own non-student magazines seems to me to be worthy of inclusion.

For young people who would like to become photographers, this article may be a valuable source of basic information, as they too can attend college and start student magazines, and to remove these details from the already extremely short early life/bio section seems unnecessary.

If I will be allowed to restore this line of information to his bio without it immediately having my edit deleted, please let me know, and I will try again::CujoJnr (talk) 09:07, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

ColinFine (talk) 23:22, 1 March 2022 (UTC) thank you for getting back to me - I agree the article needs improving, which was my original intention, and I may not have done a good job, as I am learning as I go. Are books published by a subject, for instance, not usually included on their Wiki articles? - if I tried to restore the list of books with publishers details and ISBN numbers as verifiable proof that they were actually published, would that be appropriate, do you think?::CujoJnr (talk) 09:07, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi again CujoJnr. (I haven't looked at the article: I'm just answering your questions as posed). A selected list of a subject's works is appropriate, but not an indiscriminate list: as with anything else in Wikipedia proof of existence is not enough. Preference should be given to works which have been discussed independently. It is not usually appropriate to give a citation for an author's works; ideally, the mention will be based on an independent review or discussion, which can be cited; or if there is a comprehensive bibliography available, that may be cited in a "Further information" section. If a book is hard to locate, it might be appropriate to give an ISBN or WorldCat identifier; but we do not accept links to commercial sites such as Amazon. By the way, your reply has come out in a courier font because you began it with a space. If you want to indent a reply, begin it with one or more colons ColinFine (talk) 11:00, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

like this? (talk)- so I'm a bit confused by your answer, I understand it's better if it's been discussed elsewhere, but that seems to contradict itself if citations aren't usual - is a list of say, selected books published, with ISBN numbers & publishers details, appropriate to add?::CujoJnr (talk) 16:02, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Requesting assistance with updates to law firm page

Hello! I'm in Marketing with Thompson Coburn LLP. See the Talk section on the page about our New York office. Could a sentence like this one be added to the end of the "History" section on the page to mention New York? "In July 2021, Thompson Coburn combined with Hahn & Hessen and opened a new office in New York."

Also, I previously asked in the Teahouse if the "Notable Cases" and "Recognitions" sections could be removed because they contain outdated information. I understand old information can't be removed, but if it's no longer correct, is there any other avenue to have the information removed? Many thanks! Spencecomms (talk) 15:50, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Spencecomms: Hi there! The place to suggest improvements to the article is Talk:Thompson Coburn, not here. In the Removing old information section, I suggest you add the {{edit request}} template to get people to notice your request. You can also open a new request for the History section, or reopen the request in the New office in New York section and add the request about the History section. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 16:55, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Confusion Regarding Username Colors.

How do you differentiate between someone with a red username font and someone with no account page? is there an easier way to do this? PerryPerryD (talk) 16:16, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

I would just avoid putting red in a signature at all. I think doing so is a bad idea for accessibility reasons. I'm unfortunately not aware of any way that doesn't involve clicking on the username and seeing if the page exists. casualdejekyll 16:18, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

I see, I've seen this happen around wikipedia so thanks for letting me know. Have a good day. PerryPerryD (talk) 16:19, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@PerryPerryD, there is a way if you're on desktop. If you hover your mouse over a redlinked userpage (or any other redlink, for that matter), it should say (page does not exist) in the tooltip if the page actually doesn't exist. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:36, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Useful! thank you! PerryPerryD (talk) 16:38, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@PerryPerryD: If you mean a user name displayed in a standard signature and you use a desktop computer web browser, then you can hover the pointer (mouse cursor) over the name and see the 'tooltip' popping up, as well as (usually) the pointed link contents in the window's status bar. If the user page exists, like User:Example in red, the tooltip shows just the destination page name and the link is a standard URL to the page. OTOH, when the page does not exist, like User:NoSuchUserPage, the tooltip contains an information '(page does not exist)', just like for any non-existent wiki page, and the URL contains action=edit command and redlink=1 information.
If you use a mobile device, however, there is no hovering pointer and I'm afraid you can't test a link without clicking (i.e., touching) it. --CiaPan (talk) 16:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help! PerryPerryD (talk) 16:59, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Help with COI editor

Could I get some help handling a COI editor?

I conducted some rewrites over at Christianbook which got reverted, and I've left a comment over on that user's talk page about COI editing, the proper steps, and how to go about disclosure. I got a response, but honestly, I'm too tired and busy to have the proper discussion this deserves; I've also not really handled COI editors outside the realm of 'obstinately not going to change' before.

I'd really appreciate someone else's help; I hope this doesn't sound lazy(!). Thank you! --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 19:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ineffablebookkeeper: Hello Ineffable! I left them a warning on their talk page for undisclosed paid editing because they have stated in an edit summary that they are affiliated with the company which means they are being paid (in some way) by the company. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:01, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: - Thank you! I really appreciate it.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 21:06, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ineffablebookkeeper: No problem! They seem to be cooperating so I've told them to read WP:BRD. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:09, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: In the meantime, what should I do about the article? I'm not sure if I should reinstate my edits or wait until they've responded to take action.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 22:12, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

I clicked on a single reference (from 2012) and found the way it was cited highly misleading. Here's my fix to that. (The source, incidentally, does not impress me.) Elsewhere in the article: "Christian Book Distributors was started in 1978 by Stephen Hendrickson, 19 years old and a sophomore at Central Bible College in Springfield, Missouri, out of his parents’ home in Lynn, Massachusetts", flagged "non-primary source needed". But the 2012 source I mentioned previously, says that "Christian Book Distributors was started in 1978 by two brothers who were 19 and 14 years old at the time out of their parent's [sic] home in Lynn, MA" (my emphasis). My quick impression from what I see here is that the sourcing is shaky, and perhaps that the company just doesn't meet WP's standard for notability. -- Hoary (talk) 23:02, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Question from Gekkotan

Hello Wikipedia teahouse members it is my pleasure to meet you I need insistence in a page that I have Reliable Sources for the Journal of Astrophysics Journal Letters 956 page , except that there is a "No need unaccepted reliable" source is it ok or not thank you! --Gekkotan (talk) 11:31, 2 March 2022 (UTC) Gekkotan (talk) 11:31, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Gekkotan, I have read this three times, but I still don't understand it. (For one thing, by "insistence", do you perhaps mean "assistance"? And if so, then what kind of assistance?) I imagine that it's related to Draft:PKS 2131-021; but how, I know not. -- Hoary (talk) 11:54, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

I am talking about kindly that if I published it as an Article even though there is a half - cut reliable source? Gekkotan (talk) 11:57, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

If I understand your question correctly: no, a single source is rarely enough to establish notability. Furthermore, where the source is a scholarly paper, it is often an idea or a hypothesis advanced by the writer of that paper, so it is not an independent source. ColinFine (talk) 12:07, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

I made a (failed) attempt to turn all of the run-on sentence of Draft:PKS 2131-021 into sense. Needs work on the English and the referencing before submitting. David notMD (talk) 14:09, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Wondering

FYI

 – Added section header. GoingBatty (talk) 22:51, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

FYI

 – Combined sections. GoingBatty (talk) 23:30, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

I was wondering about my recent article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:PKS_2131-021 or PKS 2131 - 021. Gekkotan (talk) 22:39, 2 March 2022 (UTC) Gekkotan (talk) 22:39, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gekkotan: Welcome to the Teahouse! What are you wondering? While you're patiently waiting for your draft to be reviewed, please consider fixing the third sentence, which I don't know how to fix: "according to astrophysical journals published an article about the blackhole, currently no hypothesis supports that these colossal black holes will collide, the twin quasars would ripplespace time and change brightness on occasional years, Later Aalto University spots movement in stars considering them a 'black hole' soon after teams of scientist later see if it is a black hole, New York LIGO detected it an astrophysicist named Chiara Mingarelli." Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:58, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Gekkotan, you asked about this only a little earlier, at "Question from Gekkotan", above. Frankly, I don't understand your writing, and I don't think that other editors do either. Additionally, responsible editors avoid subjects that they don't understand; and, like the great majority of people frequenting this page, I have no understanding of astrophysics. (You might get help if you asked at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomy.) Wherever you ask, first make sure that the sentences constituting your draft can be parsed. -- Hoary (talk) 23:12, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Pending changes

What is pending changes? 2603:8000:F400:FCEA:896C:F18A:C3F7:CFE5 (talk) 23:40, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Welcome to the Teahouse. Pending changes protection is a tool used to suppress vandalism and certain other recurrent nuisances on Wikipedia while allowing a good-faith user to submit an edit for review. Intended for infrequently edited articles that are experiencing high levels of such troublesome edits from new or unregistered users, pending changes protection can be used as an alternative to semi-protection and full protection to allow unregistered and new users to edit pages while keeping the edits hidden to most readers until they are accepted by a pending changes reviewer (also called a "reviewer"). There are relatively few articles on Wikipedia with this type of protection.

You can learn more about it here. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:43, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Help with article

Hi, can someone please help me with my article? SteveJClay (talk) 18:49, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:SteveJClay/sandbox ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:26, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@SteveJClay The key for having an article accepted is that the subject must meet our notability criteria. In this case, WP:NMUSIC. Please read that and come back with just three (no more) of the best references that demonstrate he meets those criteria. If they cannot, then there is no chance for an article.

In addition, you have broken one of our key rules, int hat you have stolen copyrighted text from another source and unlawfully claimed you have the right to release it as your own. (see here). I will now delete the offending content, and you must never do that again, or you will face being blocked from editing. You must always write content in your own words, and not be lazy and copy/paste highly promotional text from other sites. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:52, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Punctution regarding inline citations

Hello I was wondering about punctuation after inline citations; do I put a period before the citation(s) or after? I looked in the MOS but I couldn't find anything (maybe I didn't look hard enough though)

Thanks! Champ9642358 (talk) 23:48, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey, Champ9642358! Punctuation should always be before citations, per MOS:CITEPUNCT. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 00:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Champ9642358 Welcome to the Teahouse. Place inline citations immediately after the punctuation, and do not include a space between them. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:07, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, both of you; this really helps me out. Champ9642358 (talk) 00:38, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

No problem! Feel free to come back here if you ever have any other questions. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 00:43, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

BWI Airport cleanup

BWI Airport cleanup Hello. Attempting to update the BWI Airport and update the inbox data, I messed up the opening text of the article. Please clean up and tell me how to correct in the future. Thank you.Theairportman33531 (talk) 01:52, 3 March 2022 (UTC) Theairportman33531 (talk) 01:52, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

DONE. Your edit removed the }} from the end of the infobox of the article Baltimore/Washington International Airport David notMD (talk) 02:20, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the help and advice.Theairportman33531 (talk) 02:44, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

This IP address range has been globally blocked.

I just tried to edit in en wikipedia using my account, but got a message saying there was a global lock on my IP address. "The IP address or range 58.152.200.242 has been globally blocked (disabled) by Green Giant for the following reason(s):"

It only seems to happen when I log in through my WiFi(I am currently logged in through a mobile hotspot, and see no issues editing)

I have never edited as an IP myself(only with my account, and even then, quite rarely).

Can you kindly advice what I should do in this case? I would ideally prefer not to have to always use my mobile internet account when i want to edit. Assassin (talk) 06:26, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Assassinx.x! it seems like the ip address assigned to your wifi has been hit by an ip block. it doesn't mean you have done anything wrong, don't worry. you can request an exemption to this through the unblock ticket request system. happy editing!  melecie  t - 07:05, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for that comment. I went to the page you linked and hit "Submit an unblock request", however the only options there are "If you have a user account" - Appeal My Block and "If you DO NOT have a user account" - Appeal my IP Block.

In this case, I have an account, but I want to appeal/get an exemption on an IP Block...so neither seems the correct option? Assassin (talk) 07:20, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Please see meta:Global blocks for more information about these types of blocks. Usally, global IP blocks don't mean that you did something wrong. The (global) user right to edit through a gblocked IP is called "global IP-Block excempt" and can only be assigned by Stewards. You can request it at Steward requests/Global permissions#Requests for global IP block exemption on meta (Global IP Blocks don't affect meta) Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:32, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for this. I have made a request at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steward_requests/Global_permissions&diff=prev&oldid=22923860

FYI I had to use my mobile hotspot to create a report at meta. It wouldn't let me create a report with the blocked IP. Assassin (talk) 07:52, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

(from m:SRGP) That means your IP was also locally blocked at Meta. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 08:00, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

How to order different offices held by a politican

Hi! I was editing a politician's infobox and wanted help regarding the ordering of the offices he held. Should the most important office be inserted first (top-most) followed by offices in descending order of importance, or should I insert them in reverse chronological order? Or is there a third way? Toofllab (talk) 19:20, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, it seems that the order should be chronological, so whatever their most recent held office is should be at the top. I'm not sure if there is an official ruling on this, but it seems that every politician article lists them chronologically. ― Tuna ^No_SurprisesPlease 21:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tunakanski what you describe is commonly called "reverse chronological order"; most recent at the top. This order is used in the infobox, but in the article text events are reported in proper chronological order; birth to death. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:11, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Not sure what the standard approach is, but William Howard Taft seems to be ordered by most notable (given that it goes President, SC Chief Justice, etc etc), despite Taft having served as President before being on the SC. Jakoats02 (talk) 10:30, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Clarification on edit warring

I had made one revert here, as an editor had removed a "who" notice without making any changes. The concerned editor warned me on my talk page to not edit war, and to start a talk page discussion (He had posted the warning while I was in the process of writing the talk page message). I wanted to know if the revert does count as edit warring. Thanks, Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 08:26, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

• @CapnJackSp: This edit was the second time Venkat TL removed the {{who}} template. Possibly they thought it had been reinstated by the same editor who put it in the first place.

More generally, the red line for edit-warring is WP:3RR, although reverts at a lower frequency can still qualify. One or two reverts in five days with useful edit summaries (so far) does not qualify in my book. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:50, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 10:54, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Responding to ping. @Tigraan is right in his assumption. The tag was added without any talk page thread elaborating the problem. It was re-added again without starting any talk page thread. Next time start a talk page thread first. Discuss and add the tag only after making clear that the tag is justified. This will prevent future edit war. A single revert without discussing first is indeed edit warring. Please read WP:EDITWAR and WP:BRD for details. Venkat TL (talk) 10:01, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Venkat, I think you need to re read the message to get what the editor said.Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 10:54, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

If you want to make it clear that you are edit-warring, leave messages like this edit of 07:41, 3 March 2022, falsely accusing the other editor of leaving misleading edit summaries.-- Toddy1 (talk) 13:19, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

There are times when it's best just to forget it and move on. I would normally reckon that Venkat TL was swimming against the tide of consensus by insisting on removing the tag when two separate editors had, independently, reverted it back in. Venkat's edit summary was definitely not correct. But the mistake was innocent, it's easy to assume that the same person has reverted twice. Further, Venkat's removal of the "who" tag is clearly correct. The person is referred to as a disgruntled ex-employee turned whistle-blower, so it's blatantly obvious what role they fulfil and that they're almost certainly anonymous. This description is also supported by the source; there's nothing more to be said. Being accused of edit-warring hurts, but it doesn't have any consequences; no one gets in trouble for being accused, only for being guilty! This is the rich pageant of life... Elemimele (talk) 14:19, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

PICKWOOD MAGAZINE

Please kindly help me check out this article. Does it looks promotional?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Pickwood_Magazine — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maybreed09 (talk • contribs) 12:17, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Maybreed09, I do not think the article is promotional, but instead you should be looking at the references. Information on Wikipedia must be backed with independent, reliable sources. It seems as though the article is not backed with reliable sources making it not notable. I suggest reading WP:GNG to see if your article is notable or not. Also there are some minor grammar problems. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 13:47, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

WP:TOOSOON in my opinion. Magazine has been in operation less than three months. David notMD (talk) 14:28, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Situationism and disambiguation

I wanted to see the Wikipedia article on the the avant-garde arts group the Situationists, and I punched "Situationism" into my search engine. It came up with a blurb about a psychological theory above a Wikipedia link, with a heading of "Situationism" and a subheading of "Psychology." Clicking on the link leads to the Wikipedia article entitled "Situationism (psychology)." Under the title it says "for other uses, see Situationism (disambiguation)." Clicking on that leads to the disambiguation page, where one of the choices IS "A term incorrectly applied to the ideas of the Situationist International..." with "Situationist International" highlighted in blue. Clicking on that gave me the page I was looking for. I've never heard of a "controversy" over the word, and I'm sure "Situationism" is the word in common usage, and I'm sure that's what people search on. I don't think your average punter knows of disambiguation, and I don't think they'd stick around when the only thing that comes up in their seArch refers only to Psychology. I don't understand the intricacies of disambiguation or article movement, but is there a more efficient and logical way to access the arts group page while using "Situationsism" as the search term? Pete Best Beatles (talk) 06:00, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Pete Best Beatles: Hi there! Here on Wikipedia, if you search for "Situationism" or "Situationists", you are redirected to Situationist International. Unfortunately, we can't control how search engines present Wikipedia data. However, if you'd like to change the hatnote on Situationism (psychology) so people coming from the search engine see a link to Situationist International, then be bold and do so. Another option is to post your concerns or suggestions on one of the article's talk pages. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 06:23, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: I guess I want to know if there's a way to bypass the "Situationist (psychology)" page altogether by either 1) adding "Situationist International" to the clickable list People also search for that appears below the initial Wikipedia link, 2) adding something like "Situationism - art's group"" to that list and link to the "Situationist International" article, or 3) retitle the "Situation International" article based on common usage despite the controversy over the name. (My guess is you'll say choices 1 and 2 are parts you say we can't control). -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 11:42, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Pete Best Beatles - we simply don't own Google, and can't change what they say. As for 3, that sounds like something to bring up on Talk:Situationist International. casualdejekyll 12:37, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Casualdejekyll:Thanks, I think that's what I need to know. (I guess I'll think about changing the hatnote, but that's not really the issue.} -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 14:25, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Pete Best Beatles: We can't change search engines, but you can choose to change your behavior. The next time you want to see the Wikipedia article on the the avant-garde arts group the Situationists, go to Wikipedia (not your search engine) and search for "Situationism" or "Situationists". GoingBatty (talk) 14:56, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Changing inaccurate information with no reference

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Teahouse § Changing inaccurate information with no reference

 – —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:05, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

If some inaccurate information is reported as true and then it can find its way onto Wikipedia and then reported as truth in secondary sources even though it is not the case. How can these be corrected?

For example, a person was announced to be on the board of a certain, however this was never the case. There are no sources to say they have left the board as they never joined it in the first place. The absence of them from the board list on their own website isn't enough to overturn the existing information in Wikipedia. How is is possible to get these types of situations corrected? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Occasionalpedestrian (talk • contribs) 11:40, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Occasionalpedestrian This is the talk page for the Teahouse, not the Teahouse itself. Questions should be posted to the main Teahouse page(Wikipedia:Teahouse). That said, if the sources in an article are summarized accurately, but the sources are incorrect, you must either contact those sources directly and request a correction, or offer more current independent reliable sources that have more current information. If the sources are not being summarized accurately, please describe the nature of the corrections needed to more accurately summarize them on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 11:44, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

My mistake, thanks 331dot this makes more sense now Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 12:18, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Occasionalpedestrian: If this is a COI edit for another company via the organization that you work for - like the Heineken COI declaration - you need to follow WP:DISCLOSE again for each company. - X201 (talk) 12:42, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Request help removing "biographical" and "extensively edited" tags

 Courtesy link: Gibson C. Armstrong

Dear Wikipedia, The page on myself, Gibson C. Armstrong had "This biographical article is written like a résumé. Please help improve it by revising it to be neutral and encyclopedic" posted at the top. So I removed content that I thought might seem biased and added some sources. Instead of removing the tag, it added another: "This article is an autobiography or has been extensively edited by the subject or by someone connected to the subject. It may need editing to conform to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. There may be relevant discussion on the talk page. (February 2022) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)" I think the content is neutral and, again, I added sources. Could someone therefore remove the tags, or let me know what more I need to do? Thank you for your help. Gib/Gibson Armstrong GibsonArmstrong (talk) 12:44, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@GibsonArmstrong: Welcome to the Teahouse! here is the problem, since the article is about you that is considered COI (conflict of interest) editing. It is highly suggested that you do not edit articles of yourself or someone you know. I suggest following the steps at WP:COIEDIT. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 13:37, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@GibsonArmstrong: Hello Gibson! In addition to the above, since you are the subject of the article (which has been confirmed according to your userpage) it's highly recommended that you don't edit the article directly yourself, but instead request changes be made to the article by submitting an edit request. That way you can still contribute to the encyclopedia while not having any issues with a COI. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:26, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@GibsonArmstrong: Maybe you could suggest a change to the "Political career" section, which states "Armstrong was elected to the Pennsylvania House of Representatives in 2006, defeating John Barley. When Barley resigned, he was elected in a special election on July 16, 2002." You were elected in 2006, and served until November 30, 2006? It would be better for this section to be in chronological order. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:08, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Edit in Visual Editor

I have completed my draft and I now need to add my references. It was rejected due to there being no references. I want to edit the page in Visual Editor. How do I call up my Draft in Visual Editor, as it currently sits in Source Editor? Mysky2blue1 (talk) 14:54, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mysky2blue1: are you from a mobile device or from the app?

If you are using the app, the Visual Editor is not available. I suggest you scroll down to the very bottom of the page and click on "view on browser" or similar.

Otherwise, if you are not editing from the app, in the top right corner of the source editor, you should see the pencil symbol; by clicking on it you will call up a menu which will permit you to use said editor.

--Llaaww (💬|📝) 15:16, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mysky2blue1: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you are unable to use the visual editor, ensure that Preferences → Editing → Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta is unchecked. I would suggest changing Editing mode beneath that to Show me both editor tabs, so that when you're at the top of an article, you can click on Edit this page (which is right next to Edit source) to open the visual editor. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:17, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mysky2blue1: See also WP:VISUALEDITOR, and if you need help on on how to add references see WP:REFB. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 15:20, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mysky2blue1: Drafts and articles do not "sit" in the source editor or VisualEditor. The editor you choose depends upon your device and the preferences you set in Wikipedia. In the browser, there are "Edit" and "Edit source" tabs, so you can choose which editor to use for each edit. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:24, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

My page keeps being declined

Why does my page keep being declined. It is supported by Wikipedia Information. I tried citing it but it appears as a red link Theavengerssalacia (talk) 17:50, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

The content is already here on Wikipedia at Elizabeth_II#Issue you are welcome to add to it. Theroadislong (talk) 17:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

how to "pipe" the name of a section link?

I am trying to link to a concept described in a section of a longer article. How do you link to a section without using the exact name of the section and the section link symbol? Jaireeodell (talk) 18:42, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jaireeodell. if I understand you correctly, examples

• [[Wikipedia:Teahouse#how_to_"pipe"_the_name_of_a_section_link?|This thread]] =This thread
• [[Wikipedia:Teahouse#how to "pipe" the name of a section link?|This thread]] =This thread

The first is copypasted from the url. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa SångThanks! That worked. I was overthinking it and using a section link template. Jaireeodell (talk) 19:34, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Golden Hours magazine has wrong content, am I taking the right steps to change it?

I am researching a future article, and wanted to see if there was an article about the children's religious magazine Golden Hours. I found Golden Hours (magazine) which seems to contain information about the children's magazine The Golden Argosy, which later became the adult periodical Argosy (magazine). My main source of reference for the magazine contents is the respected reference book Children's Periodicals of the United States by R. Gordon Kelly, published by Greenwood Press. I also have other reference sources. My plan is to move the current contents of the Golden Hours (magazine) to Argosy (magazine) and revise Golden Hours (magazine) to show the actual contents of the periodical. I checked the Golden Hour history and wrote the creator on his Talk page, asking if he had any objections to this. I also wrote on the Golden Hours (magazine) Talk page to let anyone following this article know that I plan to radically change it. I will wait a couple of weeks to see if there is any objections, and then make sure I have at least three good references for the revised article. Is there anything else I need to do before totally deleting a current article, and rewriting it? Karenthewriter (talk) 18:37, 2 March 2022 (UTC) Karenthewriter (talk) 18:37, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

P.S. – I wasn't planning on working on this magazine, but I am researching an old book series, written by someone who was once on the staff of Golden Hours. That's when I fell down the rabbit hole of wanting to fix an inaccurate article, so I can have good links for my new article. Karenthewriter (talk) 18:42, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Karenthewriter. I see no evidence either in Golden Hours (magazine) or in the sources it cites that it is the same magazine as The Golden Argosy. Ashley mentions Golden Hours in a footnote to the section about Golden Argosy, talking about the way that "golden" became fashionable - if Golden Argosy had been the same magazine as Golden Hours, surely he would have said so? ColinFine (talk) 19:21, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Whatever happens, you should add a WP:HATNOTE in the article The Golden Argosy (an unrelated book). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:57, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine I apologize for posting here, I messed up big time. The opening line of the article is "Golden Hours was first published in January 1888." The reference, The History of the Science Fiction Magazine, states "he began publication of a children’s weekly story-paper, The Golden Argosy, first issue dated 9 December 1882 .... He decided to shift towards an adult audience, and his first move was to disassociate The Golden Argosy from the 'golden' name, shortening its title to The Argosy... That made me believe that the two magazines were being confused. But I now see that there is a footnote mentioning Golden Hours, and the date of its first issue. I didn’t take the time to read the footnote – I thought that the main body of the page was being referenced.

I learned a hard lesson – read every line of a reference before assuming there's a problem. Karenthewriter (talk) 16:31, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, Karenthewriter. We all make mistakes, and I've certainly been guilty of not reading something carefully enough when responding to it. ColinFine (talk) 19:42, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

username change

Hello, i was wondering if there was any way to get a new username that doesnt require logging out? i like Xephrax but i want my username to be Slice565. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xephrax (talk • contribs) 18:58, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Xephrax: Please see WP:CHUS, however, since you only have 4 edits gobally, it might just be better to log off and create a new account with the new username, since changing the name is almost not worth the effort. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:02, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Xephrax I agree with what @Victor Schmidt says. Simply forget the username of your current account, never use it again, and simply create a new account with the name of your choice. Far less work for everyone. Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:42, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

makimg articles

Hello I need help with making articles and by the way my username is Xephrax. I have attempted getting ideas but everything I can think of already exists. Should i help edit articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xephrax (talk • contribs) 17:24, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Xephrax Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for your enthusiasm. It's not required that you create new articles- which is extremely challenging without experience and knowledge. Many editors do lots of work here without creating a single new article. There are over 6 million articles to maintain here. Please contribute to those that interest you. You may want to use the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 17:40, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Xephrax, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I remember when I started editing Wikipedia, I was desperately trying to find something I could make an article on. More than fifteen years later, with 20 thousand edits, I've only ever created about a dozen articles. If you try to create an article before you have understood how Wikipedia works - most particularly, how we require that a subject meet our definition of notable - you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing time. You can add much much much much more value to Wikipedia by making small improvements (especially finding and citing sources) to many existing articles than by trying to create a new article before you are ready. ColinFine (talk) 20:12, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Help creating page

I've been studying at berklee college of music for three years, at the end of december my single is on the market and I still can't create my wikipedia page, can you please help me to create my personal wikipedia page? Dilara Ç. Tanır (talk) 21:24, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Dilara Ç. Tanır, unfortunately it is highley suggest that you do know create an article about your self as that would be considered a conflict of interest (COI). Secondly you would need to be considered notable and have independent, reliable sources covering you to pass the general notability guideline. Im sorry to say, but please do not create an article on yourself. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 21:36, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Dilara. I'm afraid that, like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. Promotion of any kind is forbidden in Wikipedia. If at some point you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then somebody (preferably not you) could create an encyclopaedia article about you. This article would not belong to you, would not be under your control, would not be for your benefit except incidentally, would not necessarily say what you wanted to say, and should be based nearly 100% on what people unconnected with you had published about you in reliable places, not on what you or your associates say or want to say. ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

No references = no article David notMD (talk) 22:29, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Gun

Disregard

 – User indefinitely blocked

Please add Dmam6 to the article list. --RandomGiratto127 (talk) 22:40, 3 March 2022 (UTC) RandomGiratto127 (talk) 22:40, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

RandomGiratto127 Hello. Could you please clarify your request? Holduptheredawg (talk) 22:43, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Don't worry - user since blocked for disruptive editing. Nothing to see here... Nick Moyes (talk) 23:10, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Bulk update of deprecated links

I represent an academic journal publisher that has legacy URLs appearing as external links on at least 80,000 Wikipedia pages. Due to a change in both domain name and URL structure, all of these URLs are now deprecated but the citation is still valid and the content is still available. Most URLs result in a 301 or 302 redirect to the correct page. However, redirects are not a permanent solution and may fail in the future.

The affected pages include the most trafficked and most influential pages on Wikipedia including, for example:

• Artificial intelligence - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence
• Africa - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa
• Cororonavirus - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus
• Internet - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
• Vietnam War - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

What is the best way to inventory and update these external links en masse? SibeliusHicks (talk) 20:08, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, SibeliusHicks. You can request they be updated at WP:URLREQ. ColinFine (talk) 20:18, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, ColinFine. SibeliusHicks (talk) 23:25, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

I can't log in or create an account

I can't afford to log in or create an account, because it's the password thing. I tried every password I can find, but it does not work. I might stay unregistered forever. Someone help me. 2603:8000:F400:FCEA:6CF5:AACE:D8CC:C5CB (talk) 00:23, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP! What is the specific issue you're having? Tell us any error messages you're receiving if you can. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:26, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

I sent you a welcome notice on your talk page that has a button called create an account if that helps you. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 00:42, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Resolving "Multiple Issues" on a page when I have a close connection/COI

Hi, I'm in Marketing with Thompson Coburn LLP. We have "multiple issues" flags at the top of our page from years ago when we were less knowledgeable about how to request outside help with edits to our page. We've since shifted to addressing requested edits on the Talk page. Could someone provide me some actionable tips for how to move toward having those those flags removed from our page? Anything else we can do to address/improve those issues? Many thanks! Spencecomms (talk) 22:27, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Spencecomms Welcome. I have copy-edited the article and removed a load of trivia, uncited material and other content sourced to the company's own press releases. As a result, I think it's OK for me to have also removed the templated messages about "multiple issues" you refer to. I hope this meets your wish to see a properly encyclopaedic and non-promotional article. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:12, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Importing CSS from another wiki into my Common.css page

Hi! I was wondering if there is a way to import CSS from a Common.css page in another language Wikipedia or wiki into my own common.css page. Is there any code for me to write in my CSS page?

Thanks!

Leejordan9 ^talk
_sandbox 01:28, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

You could just copy it. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 02:17, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Leejordan9. Please be specific in questions, e.g. linking a page you want to import. You can import a CSS page with code like this:

@import url("https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:SMcCandlish/codefont.css?action=raw&ctype=text/css");

PrimeHunter (talk) 04:55, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry! Here is my situation:

Since I work on various different wikis and languages, I would like my Common.css pages on all the wikis to import the CSS from my main English Wikipedia Common.css, so that when I update this one page the changes are reflected throughout all the wikis. Currently, my Common.css pages are all slightly different and are not all up to date, but it would be ideal if I could just write a line of code that would link the CSS page to my English Wikipedia one.

Thanks for your response! Judging by these details, would the line of code you wrote still work for this situation?

Thanks! — Leejordan9 ^talk
_sandbox 15:42, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

I actually just tried this, and seemed to have worked on the French Wikipedia!

Thanks! — Leejordan9 ^talk
_sandbox 15:47, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Leejordan9: This is a great example of why it's best to be specific. If your real goal is to make CSS run at all wikis then you can just use "Shared CSS/JavaScript for all wikis" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:12, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

When a user won't talk to you

Hello! I am curious to know if any of you have had an experience in which you have tried to talk to somebody, but they won't respond. A user on this site constantly reverts my edits across various articles but will never talk in human terms on any talk page, whether it be mine, theirs, or the article's. I have made a desperate plea for conversation on this user's talk page. After I added this section to their page, I still have gotten edits reversed and copy and paste things on my talk page, but no response on their talk page. I feel targeted, and I am extremely frustrated that conversation is not happening and human justification is not present, just copied and pasted tidbits about policy without any explanation. I don't want to request a block, if that sort of thing is even possible, but I just feel hopeless in that nothing will improve. These experiences with this one user have been occurring since I joined Wikipedia last year.I want to know if any of you fine people out there would be willing to give me advice on your experiences or how to deal with someone who just won't start a dialogue on a talk page. GeorgeBailey (talk) 03:40, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

I just checked my contributions page and see that this user has reverted a dozen more of my edits in the past couple of hours. All I did was put newer photos of members of the New York State Senate. What about that calls for reversions across dozens of articles? I can't improve the website with the user essentially stalking me around. The most basic things that I do get reverted. I feel extremely disheartened, frustrated, and targeted. If there can be an end to this that isn't me leaving this website, I would love to hear it. GeorgeBailey (talk) 03:55, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@GeorgeBailey: I notice that the user (BlueboyLINY) has been citing WP:FAIRUSE for some of the reverts, suggesting the images aren't public domain. Not sure how true this is though (i'm currently too exhausted to look into this too much). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 03:58, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

All images that I use for the state senators come from the same source. Most of my edits are either put as vandalism, non-constructive, or disruptive editing. GeorgeBailey (talk) 04:01, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@GeorgeBailey: What is this source that you say is public domain? I'm only asking so I could possibly see if it is actually public domain or not. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 04:02, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

All the photos come from the Flickr page NY Senate photo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/182869894@N06/with/51912788929/), and they publish all of their photos under the Attribution 2.0 Generic (CC BY 2.0) license. I shouldn't say public domain, I mean the type of license allowed on this website. GeorgeBailey (talk) 04:07, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@GeorgeBailey: I'm not a copyright expert so I"m not sure if that is actually allowed here on Wikipedia or not. I wish I could help you further but my only advice would be to report the user to WP:ANI, and i"m not actually sure if that's correct. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 04:10, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: Please note that GeorgeBailey is not uploading the images "here on Wikipedia", but to Wikimedia Commons - see his contributions there. Some of them (e.g. commons:File:(01-20-22)_NYS_Senate_Finance_Chair_Liz_Krueger.jpg, which is on Liz Krueger) have a note stating the image "was confirmed to be licensed under the terms of the cc-by-2.0." GoingBatty (talk) 04:15, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

I have asked. -- Hoary (talk) 05:11, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@GeorgeBailey: While BlueboyLINY ought to respond to you, I don't disagree with all of their actions. You're very often replacing existing photos of politicians with photos in which they are wearing masks. While these may be slightly more up to date photos of the same politicians, I'm of the opinion that bemasked photos are of significantly less use in an encyclopedia, since they show only a small portion portion of the subject's face, making them harder to identify. Thus the claim of 'disruptive editing', while slightly combative, is not exactly wrong. Of course, if this is what BlueboyLINY thought about your edits, they ought to have explained themselves to you. I also think that BlueboyLINY's apparent stalking of your revision history is disruptive in itself. This could all be easily resolved if BlueboyLINY were to make a comment here. — JThistle38 (talk) 09:46, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

I've gotten a response! Not to my thing on their talk page, but they have once again claimed disruptive editing on my talk page, except this time there was some good reasoning that I didn't understand before! I'm pretty happy with this simple explanation that has cleared my confusion. GeorgeBailey (talk) 13:20, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@GeorgeBailey:, there is a standing question about your own conflicts of interest regarding New York State politics, particularly Lee Zeldin and the New York Federation of College Republicans, that you have not answered. You also seem to have personal opinions about mask mandates that are influencing your edits. It is disingenuous to complain that other users aren't answering your queries when you yourself have failed to answer this question. A plain and honest answer would help your relations with other users. -Apocheir (talk) 01:14, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Apocheir, would that be this question (raised by Snooganssnoogans)? I note that GeorgeBailey's next edit to his talk page was to delete the question (and much else). -- Hoary (talk) 02:40, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@Apocheir: I already clarified recently on my own talk page that I don't have any COI to affect my editing, which I should have done previously. I deleted my talk page all at once because it was getting too long. I did think the COI inquiry was more of an gotcha moment than an actual question at first, and I can see now that getting a clean slate could be misinterpreted. When you mention a "personal opinion", if you are referring to you reverting many edits about a mask mandate vote, calling it undue, I would not say that "In 2022, ______ voted with all Senate Democrats against getting rid of school mask mandates" is any personal opinion. It's an important vote that should be included in an article (but unfortunately, not a lot of votes from NY state senate and assembly have been covered over the years). In that kind of situation, I would have wanted to collaborate and discuss better wording for that phrase, or how to cover the vote better on an individual's page. What would be your fix? Should individual votes on legislation be on an individual's article? I would love to talk more about this, and I appreciate you reaching out! GeorgeBailey (talk) 03:16, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

How can I start a merge request?

I want to start a merge request for COVID-19 recession and Economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic. I don't know how to start one though. Thanks! Jishiboka1 (talk) 04:20, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

For information about merging, see WP:Merging. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:56, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Help meeting standards for references

Hi! I prepared a draught submission about a local airline, Draft:Renegade Air, and it was declined for notability. I've since added independent references, and added a few details to the (admittedly sparse) article. See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Renegade_Air&diff=1075179685&oldid=1075170470 for the diffs since the rejection.

Is this enough for resubmission? I don't want to waste anyone's time, but I think I've cleared up the problem. Thoughts? Advice? NdotoYaKenya (talk) 10:35, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@NdotoYaKenya: Any substantial change is enough for resubmission, and you did bring it closer to meeting WP:Notability (transportation)#Airlines. ––FormalDude talk 12:04, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Inquiry of account usage

Dear Wikipedia users, I would like to get your advice for two pieces of inquiries below.

1. If the several controversial photos registered to Wilkimedia were uploaded by the different accounts, but they are for a specific political purpose, and were uploaded in the same region with the same mobile phone model, can we ask Administrators to investigate whether this is a puppet account?

2. Is there an expiration date for circumstantial evidence of using someone's Puppet account? (I,e, only evidence from within 3 or 5 years ago can be investigated) Goodtiming8871 (talk) 01:11, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

When you speak of "controversial photos", do you mean that there is a controversy (that several users are arguing over them), or just that they might be controversial? When you say that they're "for a specific political purpose", do you mean that a consensus has determined this, or merely that this has been alleged, or just that they'd be compatible with this purpose? If there genuinely is a controversy, and it's widely believed that the uploads were for a political purpose, then you might proceed. Were the photos first uploaded to Wikipedia, or to Commons? If Wikipedia, then you should go to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations; if Commons, then commons:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard. Either way, be clear and concise. Evidence from three years previously is unlikely to be of interest. -- Hoary (talk) 02:56, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Dear Hoary,

Thank you for your kind and professional response to my inquiries. From my understanding, there was a controversy (that several users are arguing over them). However, the issues were not managed properly concerning other factors Goodtiming8871 (talk) 05:58, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Goodtiming8871, it's an unfortunate fact about Wikipedia that all sorts of issues aren't handled properly. If there is, now, a controversy over the value of a set of photographs, and if one side in this controversy (e.g. those who uploaded them in the first place) has been pushed by multiple user accounts and you have good reason to believe that these have been created and used to give a false impression that multiple people have the same point of view, then you're welcome to bring up the matter. But please read the explanation and instructions on whichever page of the pair of pages (Wikipedia or Commons) I link to above, make sure that bringing up the problem there would be appropriate (possibly it would be better to propose deletion of the photographs, and there may be other paths besides), and try hard to follow the (perhaps tedious) directions. This isn't just a matter of etiquette: the people you're hoping will take action are likely to be overworked and will be much more likely to click on the links you provide to specifics than they'd be to invest time in trying to find what you seem to be referring to. Good luck! -- Hoary (talk) 06:25, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Dear Hoary, Thank you for the insight that you have learned over a long period of time. If I request that the photo file to be deleted, and if it is deleted, can I still request an investigation against the user according to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations if necessary? Concerning the allegation of the user, It seems that the user has uploaded the several "controversial photos" using three additional user accounts. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 10:05, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Goodtiming8871, it seems to me that if the only problematic thing a particular user ID has done is to upload a file, and this file has been deleted, then there's not much point in a sockpuppet investigation. -- Hoary (talk) 12:41, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt response Hoary, I am planning to request the review of Sockpuppet accounts issues via Administrators' noticeboard of Commons. As it is more serious problematic thing that the user's other malicious behaviors in other wikipedia spaces. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 13:44, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Article review

Hi I just adjusted the suggestion about my article how long to get the approval? Thank you 🙏🏻 Aftdo (talk) 05:31, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Aftdo, a notice at the top of Draft:Tony Garcia (racing driver) tells you: This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. This means what it says. Incidentally, I notice that the draft reads: At the end of his career, Tony had raced more than eighty professional races; but NB for our purposes he's not "Tony" but instead "Garcia". -- Hoary (talk) 06:12, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@Aftdo: I just declined the draft again because of incomplete references. Also, I see you uploaded the photos as your "Own work". Did you take these photos yourself? If you have a conflict of interest, you must declare it on your user page. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:00, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

All five of the images you posted to Commons as your "Own work" are nominated for deletion as suspected copyright violations. Expect those to vanish from the draft. The presence of images improves articles, but arenot a factor in a draft being accepted - that rests of references and notability. David notMD (talk) 16:04, 4 March 2022 (UTC)