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List of Kresy born Poles - declined

Hello everybody, I never realised how complicated it would be to transfer a very long list of notable people in one article and put it on a separate page for ease of consultation which I have read in relation to other subjects. I put in all the relevant links to the "parent article". I was told the new page was shifted into a draft space because it contained no sources for verifiability. In fact, when it was an article section, it had no sources either. I have provided sources for each person and submitted it for review and now I find a new hurdle about which I had not been warned, so it has been declined. My question is this, what do I need to do for the page to be acceptable on Wikipedia?

The historical background concerns the state of Poland which was partitioned and taken off the map 4 times since 1772, the last time being 1939. The list of people (all with a wiki entry) I transferred onto a new page was mostly compiled by others. I have now added a credible source for each one on the list. The reason this is important is that half the state of Poland was swallowed by the Soviet Union in 1945 and redistributed among 4 Soviet republics. When the Soviet Union broke up c.1991, the distributed former parts of Poland stayed in the newly independent republics. The parent article of the list called Kresy describes what happened to the landmass that was taken over several times, not only by Russia, but also, by Austria-Hungary and Prussia. It happens to be a landmass that is co-terminous with the Pale of Settlement to which Jews were confined during the Russian Empire. The largest single population group in the region were the Poles, who like the Jews were severely ill-treated by the authorities and like the Jews were obliged to leave unless they toed the line. After WW2 millions of them were deported (ethnically cleansed) to the vacated eastern parts of Germany that it lost as a punishment for the war. The Poles on the declined list are people who distinguished themselves in science, the arts etc. and whose homeland has been disappeared in subsequent geopolitical manoeuvres. The point is that they were Poles when they were born and in some cases, died. In other cases they became stateless or were forced into exile. Many died for their county's independence or were simply massacred.

It's just a list from a pre-existing explanatory article. --Po Mieczu (talk) 18:57, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Po Mieczu While your intentions may undoubtedly be good, I will reiterate what another editor suggested - that you should discuss this content fork at Talk:Kresy#People from Kresy article title. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:07, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Would love advice on referencing & content!

Project Access Hong Kong, 昇普計劃 (PAHK) is a non-profit organization aimed to bridge the education gap in Hong Kong, especially in Oxford and Cambridge (‘Oxbridge’) as well as UK universities admissions. By offering a subject-specific and a scholarship mentorship from current Oxbridge students, PAHK strives to break down the cultural, informational and financial barriers that prevent deserving talented Hong Kong students from gaining a world-class education overseas. It was founded in 2016 by University of Oxford graduate Antonia Heng (幸沛怡), who is one of the advisory board members of PAHK Project Access Hong Kong has extended its reach to over 50+ local Hong Kong secondary schools and 8 partnering institutions, with over 150+ Oxbridge mentors from Hong Kong.

Program Details

PAHK's Program is split into four different areas:

Admissions

PAHK has a pool of Oxbridge mentors provide 1-on-1 sessions to prepare, guide students through the complicated process for UK university application. By doing so, PAHK aims to help their mentees find their inspiring intellectual voice and inspire their academic curiosity.

Scholarships

PAHK mentors who were awarded fully-funded scholarships hold 1-on-1 sessions to help their mentees navigate through scholarship applications, making their pursuit of higher education overseas possible.

Holistic development

Through personal branding and presentation workshops, PAHK aims to aid their student’s holistic personal development, emphasizing not only on academic aspirations but also on individual development.

Bootcamp

PAHK's annual bootcamp takes place over the summer. All of PAHK's mentees gather for a 4-day program where volunteer mentors offer workshops and seminars on personal development and the Oxbridge application progress, and encourage students to think bigger about their futures and how they can contribute to Hong Kong at large.

• • Would love advice on referencing and content!

Mishelle12389 (talk) 21:12, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

@Mishelle12389: In order to write an article, you need to first identify reliable sources, and then extract information to build the article. Trying to write the article and then source it is backwards. More importantly, if you are an insider with the organization, you are discouraged from writing the article yourself. See WP:COI. You're better off going to Wikipedia:Requested articles to request the article. But you'll need sufficient sourcing first to convince anyone that the organization deserves an article. See WP:RS. Here's one I found that seems OK. [[1]] If you're not an insider, see WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE Good luck. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:51, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

References

Création of a page

Hi I’ve created a Wikipedia page in France that has been deleted because it was written in English. Now I would like to create a page on Wikipedia in English but I don’t know how to do it. I’ve created an account Laïkaandtheunit. You will find below a link of a Wikipedia page for a recording with musicians names that have already a personal Wikipedia page (Peter Martin, Joshua Redman and Brian Blade). The Wikipedia page I would like to create is the one of Christopher James Thomas. Could you please help me to do it ? Thank you very much Laïka

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_of_the_Moment_–_Live_at_the_Village_Vanguard — Preceding unsigned comment added by Citina1970 (talk • contribs) 21:48, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

@Citina1970: there's insufficient sourcing for an article. You can try going to Wikipedia:Requested articles to request an article but you will need to show media coverage in reliable sources. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:02, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Fixing gaps in talk page archives

Hi, I noticed that the archives of Talk:Sustainable energy are missing quite a few posts, e.g. from 2009. Is there a way to set up a bot to re-generate the archives so that nothing is missed? Cheers and thanks, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 23:34, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

The material had been archived by the bot, but there was an unterminated ref tag in Talk:Sustainable energy/Archive 1 which prevented display of much of the subsequent text. I've removed the unterminated tag in question. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:02, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

David Biddulph, Amazing catch. Thanks so much! Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 00:04, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

A radio host article: are the sources non-reliable?

Hello, I'm also having this same issue on a page I submitted for a known, internationally-syndicated radio host from my local station out of personal interest. I linked to a ton of news articles, and the review said basically "this isn't an encyclopedia because all citations are his personal website". Not true. There was 1 link to personal website talking about his volunteer work building drinking water wells in Africa. I included numerous news organizations citations, so where do I go from here? I'm a bit confused by the reviewer's response that I supposedly didn't include citations. I copied the format of numerous other radio personalities on Wikipedia. Thanks!Smithryanallen (talk) 19:46, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, @Smithryanallen: great you decided to write here, and please accept that I made your own thread; hope people would find it easier to answer to your question, and there won't be any mix up with the other question you were encouraged to ask help. I've read your draft and added citation details to sources you have included (sorted out citations used more than once). I guess some are the information source while others are using those without mentioning the citation.

Wish others will come in and grant advise. Anyway, enjoy writing. Cheers, --Omotecho (talk) 17:25, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

You can shorten this article and remove information that cannot be sourced. You can do this, for instance, in the Career section. Avoid descriptive words and figures of speech as much as possible because these make the tone very promotional and more like a narrative. Writing that your subject fell in love with music is not encyclopedic at all. I suggest that you also devote some content to his charity since it has attracted some coverage. Regards, Darwin Naz (talk) 02:05, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Bulleted Discography

I can't find correct formatting to make bullets for a correctly formatted discography. Seems so basic, yet I can't locate bullets information. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElsieEmma (talk • contribs) 02:07, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi ElsieEmma. Have you tried looking at MOS:BULLET or the more general MOS:LISTS? It can also sometimes be helpful to look a some other articles with discographies and see how they use bullet points. When you find a style you think might work, just go into edit mode and look for the syntax used to create the list. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:42, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Height, Religion, Caste

Unable to 5.5 feet (1.7 m) Religion in Infobox_person?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ABHINAVKUMARSAHAI (talk • contribs) 03:10, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi ABHINAVKUMARSAHAI. Infobox templates will only work properly with the parameters listed on the template's documentation page. If you look at the very top of Template:Infobox person, you'll see a note stating that the parameters "ethnicity" and "religion" have been deprecated and will no longer be recognized by the template. The "height" parameter still can be used, but it needs to be added as per the template documentation; otherwise, it won't work. Trying taking a look at Template:Infobox person#TemplateData and check whether you've formatted the parameter correctly.

Some other things about infoboxes of this type is that they often have lots of optional parameters just so that they can be used in a variety of different articles. The "height" parameter might be something relevant to an article about a professional athlete or someone who known for being so tall or so short; for most people, however, such information is not really encyclopedically relevant to the reader and not needed in the article. The infobox should also generally reflect content find in the article itself; so, if the article has sourced commentary on how tall a person is, then maybe it's OK to add that information to the infobox. At the same time, if the article makes no mention of a person's height, then it might not be necessary to add such information to infobx or you may have to add a citation to the infobox for verification purposes. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:28, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

I need some help using Article Templates

Hi. I wrote a draft on the novel Urchin Of The Riding Stars by M. I. McAllister. I wanted to use the 'Prose' article template, but I can't figure out how to use it. Any help?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Polymeric Organism (talk • contribs) 05:10, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Polymeric Organism. It's not clear what you mean by 'Prose' article template. Do you mean use Template:Prose or do you mean use a template found in the Wikipedia article Prose? Perhaps what you're trying to figure out is how to add a MOS:INFOBOX to Draft:Urchin Of The Riding Stars? -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:59, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Sorry about the amibguity. What I want to know is how to use this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Article_templates/Prose

as a template around which to build the article I'm writing. Thanks for your response! Polymeric Organism 05:31 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi again Polymeric Organism. Please try to remember to sign your posts according to Wikipedia:Signature. The easiest way to do this is per WP:TILDE. Trying to manually add your signature or copy-and-paste your signature from one post to another can be tricky because the software might add an incorrect time stamp or forget to provide a link if you don't format things correctly.

As for Template:Article templates/Prose, you should be able to see how that page is formatted by clicking on "Edit". You can then copy-and-paste the part of the page that you want to use into your sandbox or draft. When you copy the content from the template's page, however, please makes sure to hit the "Cancel" button and not the "Publish changes" button; both will close the editing window, but "Cancel" will not save any changes you might've accidentally made to the template's page. You might also want to take a look at Help:Wikitext because it explains how articles are typically formatted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:44, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

help me

Hi, I hope you are doing well.

I would like to know, how should I contribute and what resources should I provide for the proper citation of an article.

As I am trying to create a page for EduGorilla, why is the page always gets nominated for speedy deletion and how I should create and what tags should I use while creating a page from the beginning.

Please help me.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumiteg (talk • contribs) 06:19, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sumiteg. If you're referring to User:Sumiteg/sandbox, then that page was deleted by a Wikipedia administrator named Fastily per speedy deletion criterion #5. I'm not an administrator and am unable to see the deleted page, but this kind of deletion usually occurs when the content on the page is deemed unsuitable for Wikipedia for the one of the reasons given in WP:NOTWEBHOST. If you would like more specific information, you can ask Fastily at User talk: Fastily.

You can find out some general information about what types of subjects are typically considered acceptable for Wikipedia at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything and Wikipedia:Why was the page I created deleted?, but you might want to try the Wikipedia:Adventure as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:43, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi there, Thanks for the response.

Can you please tell me how I should begin with the creation of an article that has been previously deleted/rejected by administrators or Wikipedia moderators? What tag I should use while I am creating an article and what links I should use for citations?

And how I should begin with the topics that are previously deleted on Wikipedia?

Hope to hear soon from you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumiteg (talk • contribs) 07:09, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Sumiteg: if you are here to help improve Wikipedia, please be aware that creating a new article can be very difficult; and if an article on the same subject has already been declined, it will have been for a good reason. You should choose some other, easier, task.

If however you are here to promote something, please be aware that Wikipedia is not intended for promotion. You should instead use some other site, such as Facebook, where promotion is allowed. Maproom (talk) 08:27, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

(ec) Hi, Sumiteg. You've received a quite detailed message at your Talk page in the section User talk:Sumiteg#Speedy deletion nomination of User:Sumiteg/sandbox. It says that the sandbox page nominated for deletion

• seemed ‘to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic,’ which is criterion G11 of speedy deletion,
• as well as it appeared ‘to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals’, which is criterion U5.

So the problem is not just in lacking referencing to establish notability of the subject. It looks like the page you created was inappropriate for Wikipedia both because of its contents and for its tone (style of presenting the subject). You rather need to create the page from scratch in a completely new form. First, of course, find appropriate WP:Sources to prove WP:Notability of the subject. They should be reliable and of course independent from the subject. Then find more sources to guarantee WP:Verifiability of the article. Finally see and follow Wikipedia:Your first article guideline, so that the time you're going to invest in the arcticle creation is not wasted again (some ways to waste your time are pointed out at WP:WWIN).

Please remember, creating a brand new article is one of the most difficult tasks at Wikipedia, especially for new editors. Read other articles to see how it should look like (e.g., with respect to topical info organization, the tone, Point of View Neutrality, text layout, etc.), read Wikipedia policies and guidelines (some linked above, but also WP:MOS, WP:CoI and others.)

Whenever something seems incomprehensible – ask. You'll find lots of helpful people here, just give them a chance to help you. And take it easy – there is WP:NORUSH! Happy editing! --CiaPan (talk) 09:11, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Suggestion: Show number of changed bytes in difference view.

Suggestions: Differences should also show the numbers of added or removed, just like the version history. ––Chanc20190325 (talk) 16:30, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Sounds like a request for the mediawiki software, not a teahouse question. WelpThatWorked (talk) 16:32, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Citing medical journal articles, pubmed or full text pdf?

Hi community!

I'm trying to cite a medical journal article, and I can either use a link to pubmed - which seems to be the most reputable repository for medical articles, but doesn't have the full text - or use a link to Semantic Scholar - which has the full pdf but doesn't have the track record of pubmed.

The page I edited is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cephalohematoma and the links are: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17003628 (currently used this one) -or- https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/18b2/2faeff592c6d99d9ad4a8cc5611c16f2af77.pdf (might be more useful for readers who want to click through and read the whole study.

Thanks!

Max — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crljenak (talk • contribs) 14:04, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Personally, I always link to PubMed. Consider the abstracts sufficient for a ref. By the way, for your example, clicking on the journal hyperlink did allow access to PDF. David notMD (talk) 16:40, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

I edited the article and added several "citation needed" tags. If this is an area of your expertise, please continue to improve the article. David notMD (talk) 17:15, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Creating an Article

I created a draft of an article but I want to know how to make it an actual Wikipedia article (62.64.196.116 (talk) 17:08, 6 June 2019 (UTC))

You'll need to submit it through Articles for Creation. Stick the code {{subst:submit}} (minus the markup in the editing window) and eventually an experienced editor with AfC reviewer rights will deem it worthy (or unworthy) of inclusion. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 17:35, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Why?

Why can't I edit the page for Pokémon Sword and Shield? There's some information the last user left out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueblur1991 (talk • contribs) 18:32, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Blueblur1991, The article is currently semi-protected, witch means your account needs to have 10 edits and be 4 days old before you can edit it. This is because it is a commonly vandalized article, and protection can keep some of these vandals out. You can still submit an WP:Edit Requests. Good luck! WelpThatWorked (talk) 18:38, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Music genres

Hi, I have, I belief, a new genre of music that I am about to present with the help of a book that is in the hands of a publishing company's editing department. I have been a musician for 30+ years, and the genre has some "cousins". The genre I want to build is Caribbean Rock, not to be confused with Reggae Rock, or a few other genres that might sound the same. The sound is not Jimmie Buffet or Beach Boys, it is a harder sound, like throwing together Van Halen and Bob Marley. I have heard just a few tunes that can fit, I have a few more to help build "Caribrock" My question, Would this be visible and worthwhile to start?

Thank you for your time, J.R. Weldon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.163.73 (talk) 18:21, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello J.R.Welldon!- welcome to the Teahouse. There is nothing to stop you being innovative and creating or naming a new genre of music. That's totally your prerogative. But until the world has taken notice of it, and independent people have written about it in detail, I'm afraid there is no place on Wikipedia to promote your creation or your new genre definition. Wikipedia only accepts articles about notable topics that the world has already taken notice of. It cannot help you to promote your own new musical ideas. I'm very sorry to disappoint you. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:05, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Just to followup on Nick's post J.R. please see WP:NOTFORUM where it points out that Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. Wikipedia depends on WP:SECONDARY sourcing for its articles. You can take advantage of other places on the web like blogs or facebook to put forth your ideas. If they catch on and research is done on them by others over the years they might wind up here one day. Best of luck on your endeavors. MarnetteD|Talk 19:53, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Flickr Commons licensing

Hello and good day, I would like to include this pic in the ibx of the new article Aziz Abu Sarah, but I've never uploaded from this site before, and I don't understand the procedure nor the propriety of same based on the existing licensing this pic has? Havradim (talk) 20:45, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Havradim. Flikr offers a variety of licenses to its users, and that particular photo uses a license that restricts commercial re-use. Therefore, that photo cannot be used on Wikipedia because our licensing allows commercial re-use. Please see Wikipedia:Upload/Flickr for more detailed information about the acceptable licensing. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:58, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Anyone willing to help??

Hello WikiWorld. I am a brand new editor and I am asking for a "mentor". Someone to take me under their wing and guide me. I have a subject matter that does not come up on Wikipedia. I would like to add it. Thanks in advance. Any takers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GindyLacey (talk • contribs) 16:42, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@GindyLacey: How long are you planning on sticking around? If you are planning to stay for a while, this program may be for you, but if not, this article is a handy read on how to make your article stick around a bit. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 16:54, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@GindyLacey: If your subject matter doesn't come up on Wikipedia, it could be that it's not regarded as relevant to this encyclopaedia, or fails to meet our Notability criteria. We have different critieria for different subject areas, so it might have helped had you actually said what that subject matter was. To be frank, the Teahouse is a far better place for a brand new user like you to get support than the Adopt-a-User scheme. My own opinion of recently getting involved with that scheme is that nowadays it is best suited to relatively inexperienced editors, but to those who do already have a proven record of serious commitment to Wikipedia, rather than to totally brand new users like yourself with no edits yet to your name. Not that there's anything wrong in being a new user - we all have to start somewhere! But adoption requires a huge commitment from both sides, and in the past, too many people have used it just to get one article written, only then to clear off and never be seen again. Thus a bad investment for us adopters to make. Nowadays, we can probably help you better in the short term here and at our other help fora, and also at Articles for Creation, provided you explain what help you need, and can demonstrate a few sources that show the subject matter is noteworthy enough. For someone to adopt you I do think you need to have created a simple userpage which explains a little about you and your editing interests here. Without that, and with no edits to your name, how can a potential adopter see whether you would suit one another? So please don't be put off if your approach to Denver20 is not successful. I will however pop by in a moment and leave a welcome message full of other helpful links. BTW: You can also gain an understanding of how things work here by having a go at The Wikipedia Adventure - an interactive self-guided tour. Regards, and do pop back and tell us more about what you'd like to achieve here, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:54, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes thank you for your helpful insight. I am completely green at this whole process. I don't even know how to make a simple userpage. I guess I should start with that as my first "tutoring assignment". So if you have the time maybe a quick step by step on the userpage area?? GindyLacey (talk) 16:46, 4 June 2019 (UTC)Gindy Lacey 4 June 2019

@GindyLacey: Sorry I missed your request - you didn't quite get the mechanism right for sending me an automatic notification, but not to worry at this point. (You can check the wikimarkup I used when - which includes two sets of curly brackets. Providing you use that and sign your post at the same time, I get notified). Now, to create your userpage simply follow this red link: User:GindyLacey (or click the tab at the top left in desktop view) . It's a red link becasue the page doesn't exist yet, so it'll say 'Creating User:GindyLacey'. Now simply type something like "Hello this is my userpage" and then look for the big blue 'Publish' button. It's at the bottom of the page in desktop view (i.e. non-mobile view). Click that and your edit will be saved and published as your userpage. You can use this page to say a litle about yourself and your interests in editing Wikipedia. You simply change the contents by clicking either the Tab at the top of the page, which is labelled either 'Edit' or 'Edit source'. To find out more about what is and what isn't acceptable on this page, see this shortcut: Wikipedia:User pages. Hope this all makes sense, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:50, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Fenn Treasure

I have a concern about a page that has surfaced called Fenn Treasure. Located here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenn_treasure

On it the author claims that he has found the location of the treasure and has slanted the page to try to give readers a negative image of the Forrest Fenn, the originator of the chase. In fact, there is no evidence in the author's writing that the treasure was ever at the location described. It appears that this author is simply upset because he cannot find the treasure and has decided to create a page claiming that the treasure's location was found but the treasure was not there.

The page contains no proof of it's main claim...that the author has found the location of the chest... Keeping this page up in its original form is misleading. I have exchanged email with the author who claims the photo on the page is evidence that this is where the chest should be found...but his evidence proves nothing of the kind.

I don't believe this authors claim is substantiated. When I edit the page to remove the claim the author simply retires the page back to it's original form. Is there some way to resolve this issue? Can an author make an unfounded claim with no substantial evidence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lummifilm (talk • contribs) 17:41, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

I believe you were right to remove it. The contentious material violates Wikipedia's policy on original research. Maproom (talk) 18:27, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Lummifilm! I left a message with some more information and links on your talk page that hope will help. Orville1974 (talk) 18:57, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Oroville1974. Now that the page has been protected from editing what should I do next to follow up with my concerns about the claims made on the page and also about the bio?Lummifilm (talk) 21:25, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

I see you're using the talk page now to discuss it. That's the best place to work out content issues with other editors. Orville1974 (talk) 23:15, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Darryl K. Williams

There is a Darryl K. Williams of Roxbury then Milton, Massachusetts who was paralyzed by a random gunshot in Charlestown, Massachusetts in 1979 as a teenager during a football game he was playing in. Darryl was an example of forgiveness and social activism in a time of racial tensions and was written about by sports editors. He has two unpublished works, according to his mother. Is he worth an article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GreekChanter (talk • contribs) 00:02, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

@GreekChanter: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Unpublished works would not merit one an article, as they are not publicly available. If there is significant coverage about this person in independent reliable sources,(be it on or offline) he may merit an article. Please see the biography notability guidelines for more information, as well as Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 00:11, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Found this without a section

Why is Jerryism or the Classroom Religions Universe not constructive enough? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boyperson38 (talk • contribs) 16:50, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Boyperson38, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid your question doesn't make any sense to me. I can find no such articles so, if you have concerns over them, could you supply a link to the relevant page, please? Whilst I'm here, please don't add what appears to be made-up content to articles, as you appear to have done here and here. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:17, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

how do you add referances?

i am not sure of how i can add references? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karentookmykids (talk • contribs) 02:13, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Karentookmykids. There are couple of different ways to add citations to articles. Try taking a look at Help:Referencing for beginners for some general information. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:18, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

how do you add new paragraphs

how? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karentookmykids (talk • contribs) 02:36, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

First, please 'sign' your comments here by typing four of ~ at the end. Second, if you mean paragraphs within an article section, use the ENTER key to create a blank line between the existing paragraph and the new one. David notMD (talk) 03:11, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Was this a real question? Eschoryii (talk) 03:34, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Some people might be used to word processor–style (i.e., print-style) paragraphs, a newline and a tab, instead of a double newline. Eman235/talk 03:42, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Perception of Swiss Standard German

Hello. How do other native speakers of German (particularly those from the north) perceive the Swiss accent in German? Is it perhaps subject to mockery, especially with their [ər] for the low schwa [ɐ] and Italian-style geminates (as in immer)? I'm asking this because I'm trying to figure out what's the point of including SSG (and Austrian SG as well) in Help:IPA/Standard German.

See this discussion if you're interested. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 01:50, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

• That question may be a better fit for WP:RD/L (or a German-speaking forum...). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 08:37, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
  • @Tigraan: I've moved it there, thanks. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 08:41, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

vandalism

would adding "use in popular culture" be considered vandalism if i added it to the page for the name karen, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karentookmykids (talk • contribs) 02:35, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

If you mean to create a new section for the article Karen I suggest don't. David notMD (talk) 03:08, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Karen is a disambiguation page. That means it should only be used to refer readers to related Wikipedia articles. See WP:disambiguation. However, you can add sections to Karen (name) if your topics are notable and you can provide reliable sources to support their inclusion.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:43, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

And to answer the other part of your question, Karentookmykids, vandalism in Wikipedia is defined as deliberately intended to obstruct or defeat the project's purpose. Edits intended to improve Wikipedia as an encyclopaedia in good faith are not vandalism, even if in the end they are decided not to be helpful and get removed. --ColinFine (talk) 09:17, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

I need information how to create my company wiki page

hello mate i just wanted to know how to create company page in wikipedia as i saw many of company created their live page here so i want to become a contributor. please guide me the whole process how is this possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billdigi (talk • contribs) 08:35, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Billdigi and welcome to the Teahouse. It sounds as if you have a WP:Conflict of interest and posibly WP:Paid status in creating an article about "your" company, so it would be better if you didn't try. Please note that Wikipedia is written in formal standard English, and requires WP:Reliable references for all additions. You might like to try WP:The Wikipedia Adventure. Dbfirs 09:04, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

@Billdigi: I would also add that a lot of people wrongly assume Wikipedia can help them promote their company. We don't. If any person, company, band, sportsperson or even a new variety of cheese fails to meet our described criteria for 'Notability' it would be a waste of anyone's time trying. If however, that subject has been written about in detail and in depth by independent third party sources (and I don't just mean stuff copied from a PR notice and pasted into insider business newspapers, such as 'Cheese News'), then there may be a chance. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) to help you determine whether your company merits someone else writing about it. If it does, then someone surely will. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:22, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

James Best-Actor

He also appeared in a 1955 episode of The Lone Ranger. The episode wasn't named, only stating the show first aired in 1947 but the copyright in the credits was for 1955. 1947 must have been when the series started? I only looked him up here because I just saw the episode on tv. I don't know how to edit. Just thought you might like to know about the omission? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.243.7.147 (talk) 20:35, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. The article Lone Ranger has a Talk page that you can access via the tab at the top left of the page. To post your concerns, click the tab for "New section" at the top of the Talk page. Don't spare any details, and try to be clear and unambiguous. I left a note on your Talk page about how to sign posts. Please read it.--Quisqualis (talk) 09:52, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Use of Google Search Statistics

Hi, I am writing an article for a Sri Lankan automobile company as part of my university assignment. Under a section about the company's notable appearances on global news, I want to relate it to how the name of the company became searched up more than before.

Would this count as original research? The data is publicly available through Google trends and I am just gathering it. Just wanted to make sure there won't be any repercussions? LullabyPie (talk) 08:21, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, LullabyPie. This probably falls well into the realms of Original Research unless, that is, other news media and independant analyists have written at length on how that company has come to prominence by taking some unusual SEO strategy. Your question suggests you already understand that this is an encyclopaedia, not a place to promote or go into great detail into the minutiae of a company. Sometimes less is more, and only if a thrid party has written about how Google Trend data shows something significant about that company should you include that in an article. (NOTE: This question has been moved over from the Teahouse Talk page which is used only for issues relating to managing and operating the Teahouse, and not for seeking help or advice on editing Wikipedia.) Nick Moyes (talk) 08:57, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi LullabyPie and welcome to the Teahouse. You seem to have confused range with top speed in your draft. Since this is a university assignment, I'll leave it to you to put right. Dbfirs 10:35, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Article about Attestation

Hi,

i want to make a article based on attestation and its process for a attestation service provider. How can i get notable sources on attestation? Will the article stay on wikipedia if it doesn't have a notable source? can i write the article with the company website as a source? By attestation, it means certificate or document attestation for travelling abroad from your home country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.191.66.130 (talk) 05:50, 7 June 2019 (UTC) 202.191.66.130 (talk) 06:27, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi 202.191.66.130 and welcome to the Teahouse. No, the subject's website is not an independent source. You need to find WP:Reliable sources in which the company has ben written about at length, and the article should summarise what these sources say. Are you connected with the company? If so, you have a WP:Conflict of interest and possibly WP:Paid status which needs to be declared. Dbfirs 08:18, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for reply. i didn't understand what do you mean by reliable sources? does that mean articles about attestation in blogs, sites etc. I am not planning to write about the company profile. I am trying to write about attestation in general and the other attestation related services? So can i write an article about that in Wikipedia. [HRD Attestation, MEA Attestation, Embassy Attestation, MOFA Attestation.] Are you referring to the reference section in wikipedia when you mean notability.

202.191.66.130 (talk) 11:12, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/attestation

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/attestation

http://www.norkaroots.net/certificateattestation.aspx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attestation

202.191.66.130 (talk) 11:28, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

The words “WP:Reliable sources” in Dbfirs' reply above make a hyperlink – please click it and read the linked page, it describes what the ‘reliable source’ is for Wikipedia.
What concerns the meaning of ‘notability’ in Wikipedia, you can follow the WP:Notability link to find out. --CiaPan (talk) 11:29, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello help

Hello am trying to post an article about someone but am finding it difficult what do I do — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilijmae (talk • contribs) 09:25, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Ilijmae. Articles on Wikipedia are not "posted"; instead, they are written as encyclopedia articles and then reviewed by other Wikipedia editors. If your article has previously been rejected, you should make note of the reasons given, and deal with the issues raised. If you want to write an article and don't know how, please read wp:Your first article, wp:Referencing for beginners and proceed slowly and carefully. Article -writing on Wikipedia is not an easy task. Good luck!--Quisqualis (talk) 10:02, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

@Quisqualis: As far as the User's talk page shows, it's about Jayne Cobain, and one of attempts (in a rough, initial version) is in the sandbox.
Best regards. --CiaPan (talk) 10:51, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
P.S. Please use {{Reply to}} or a shortcut {{Re}} when answering, especially when answering to new users, which may not know how to watch their threads in the teahouse. CiaPan (talk)

Comments on your Talk page explain in detail why you are having problems (Speedy deletion, etc.). Briefly, Jayne Cobain may not yet be notable by Wikipedia criteria, meaning that there is not independently written stuff about her that can be considered reliable sources. What she says about herself (blog, social media, interviews...) does not count. Secondly, you tried pasting in copyrighted material and that is a big no-no. Thirdly, as a friend, you should declare a conflict of interest (see WP:COI). David notMD (talk) 12:23, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Missing/conflicting information - with someone is already editing

Hello all. I have a page that seems to be in conflict with another page. I see under edit history there is a user already working on correcting the page in question; as there seems to be a preview of the coming changes. But I do not see an edit for the particular issue. Is their talk page appropriate to mention something to them, or what is the best way to see if this person is researching the issue or is even aware of it - in their process of fixing the page. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Codecharmer (talk • contribs) 14:11, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Need help adding info to an article

Hello!

My name is Simone and I would like to add info to Simon Chang's (designer) bio. I am his assistant. I was told I needed to advise of my COI.

I edited the article previously without citations. I now have citations and I need to post it to a "talk" board of something of a sort for a 3rd party to review and post. I'm not sure how to do this.

Thanks for your help.

Simone SimoneNoble (talk) 14:22, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

@SumoneNoble: hi - the talk page can be found at the top tab when on the page. Here’s a direct link Talk:Simon Chang (designer). You can add the edit request code - see Wikipedia:Edit requests for more info. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:35, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Editing and Sharing a new Page

Hello! I would need help cause I created an account and I need to create a page. Is it just necessary to write what I want to publish in the sandbox and make it publish afterwards? What about the layout of the page? Does is come in automatic once shared it?

Furthermore, I just requested to edit a page (without following the normal criteria, i.e "Change X with Y" "because..", just because I need another information to be added in the page). This was my first editing request so I have two questions: 1. Is it possible that my request will be rejected? 2. By when I will get an answer about my editing request? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Consules MUN (talk • contribs) 14:17, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Because the article in question is semi-protected you did the right thing by submitting an edit request at the Talk of the page. Sooner or later someone will act on your request. As to creating an article, this borrowed from ColinFine: "Welcome to the Teahouse and Wikipedia. Anybody may create new articles, but very new editors can't do so directly. Writing articles (I strongly recommend you think of this phrase rather than "creating pages") is one of the most difficult tasks on Wikipedia, and I always advise new users to spend a few weeks or months editing and improving existing articles before they try it. (We have millions of articles that would benefit from this!). But when you want to try it, please study Your first article, which among other things tells you how to use the articles for creation process, that even new editors have permission to use." Lastly, 'sign' your comments here by typing four of ~ at the end. David notMD (talk) 15:12, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Attribution

Lets say I create an article, but roughly two thirds of its content derives from a page in draft-space; do I have to give attribution to the draft page or to its contributors? 92.10.235.192 (talk) 16:12, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes. John from Idegon (talk) 16:21, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Would like to help wikipedia with the facts however I am (intimately) connected to the subject

Not sure what you may want to do with my personal experience with the design and development of Microsoft Windows. Because I am also a victim/witness (ei connected to the subject ) I am not sure about Wikipedia rules.

There is a lot more to add than merely the document management API origin material.

I was creating office automation software using the (below) document management API in 1992.

here is some basic material

I used a document management object properties form ( nearly identical with MS Windows snapshot )

I was asked to attend Top Guns of Imaging by personal friend of Bill Gates.

File:Top Guns of Imaging T-Shirt-clip.001.jpg - Top Guns of Imaging, A Microsoft sponsored event of 1993

@Mawcowboybillsbrick7: Welcome back after a nearly seven year absence, but I confess that I have no idea what you are asking. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.). TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:58, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, TimTempleton

I am asking how to contribute however Wikipedia rules prohibit me from contributing, for example contraversial facts involving the design and development of Microsoft Windows.

regards, maw Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 22:15, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Mawcowboybillsbrick7. Thank you for wanting to help improve Wikipedia. However, it is a fundamental policy of Wikipedia that everything in an article must be sourced from a reliable published source. Personal knowledge, unless it has been reliably published somewhere, is never acceptable. Sorry. See Verifiability and Original research. --ColinFine (talk) 22:35, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, ColinFine (talk So basically what your saying is that factual events like Top Guns of Imaging don't really exist to Wikipedia. ( Or the software I developed in the 90's, although I can upload material evidence )

My development environment has been resold many times, and it's modified API is currently owned by IBM.

It may be possible to create a Wikipedia article where everything is sourced from a reliable published source however I understand that I can not personally approve modifications to Micosoft Windows history articles, as presented here on Wikipedia ( but are factually misleading )

What I am saying is that I may be able to 'point the way' toward reliable published sources of fact on the Internet but, as you say, I must avoid personal knowledge?

Does this make sense? Wikipedia's Microsoft story is misleading and may be proven using reliable published sources.

For example, Document management imaging software was factually distributed by Microsoft.

Imaging for Microsoft Document Management Desktop

Global 360 Imaging for Windows replaces, and is compatible with, the Wang Imaging for Windows (wangimg.exe) included in Windows 95 and NT and the Kodak Imaging for Windows (kodakimg.exe) and Imaging Preview (kodakprv.exe) in Microsoft Windows 98 and 2000 (sometimes known as Microsoft Windows Imaging).

regards, maw Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 23:24, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Mawcowboybillsbrick7 - a better approach would be to post your comments, with sourcing, on article talk pages. You will be more likely to find other editors who share your deep interest in Windows and related topics. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:33, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 21:42, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

I have no idea what you are asking.......however, an encyclopedia article is a collection of material paraphrased from reliable sources about a given subject. No more, no less. John from Idegon (talk) 17:06, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Replacement of existing image with a brand-new image of Chef Khalid Dahbi

I have replaced the existing image of Khalid Dahbi with a brand new one. This image is taken by Dahbi using a photographer and this image is not used anywhere else in print or web. Earlier I used an image provided by him not knowing that the image is already used in facebook. I have pasted the links (in 3 different places) suggested by wiki to indicate this edit. I have also inidcated that I'm not the owner of this image but indicated that Khalid is the owner. May I know how long it takes to get this image approved? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sksigworth (talk • contribs) 17:19, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

The photo at Commons has been nominated for deletion 7 June. Possible problems here: A) You have loaded to Commons a photo of KD, but the article is still in draft, B)You tried to put the photo in the draft, but used the wrong format, C) Photographers are usually the owners of photos. In this instance you are saying that Khalid is the owner. See Commons:Deletion requests/File:Khalid New IMG-20190603-WA0002.jpg for deletion discussion. Lastly, you wrote that you are Dahbi's assistant authorized by him to use it, which means you have to declare a paid relationship (See WP:PAID).

Editing etiquette

If I wanted to make several changes to the same article at the same time (e.g. remove unnecessary content from one section, fix spelling and in grammar another section, and add new information to a section), should these changes be done in one edit or split up into multiple edits? I feel like some users might find splitting the edits up frustrating as it can clog up the edit history, but on the other hand, I think it makes it easier to see what changes have been made and to revert edits if there are problems with them. Is there an etiquette guideline on this? Thanks, SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 17:16, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Personally, I prefer seeing section by section edits as stand-alones. That way, if I believe the edits were not an improvement, or were errors, or were not referenced. I can edit section by section. For extreme example, see Vitamin deficiency where I made >100 edits over a one week period. David notMD (talk) 18:11, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking, but I wanted to get confirmation. Thanks so much for your reply. :) SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 19:38, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

The Cause For Joseph Immaculate Article

I have just written a new article called "The Cause For Joseph Immaculate" and I have had a problem with regard to a quote from a website and my article is soon to be deleted. I have got the information necessary for Wikipedia to contact the website which is called "Compelling Truth" as it has an emergency email on the website in order to ask permission to use the article from this website on my Wikipedia page. I have left a message for Cassiopia on my talk page but I am wondering if it will be read in time before my page is permanently deleted. Could you tell me the best way to get this information to the right people so that my page on Wikipedia is not deleted? I would really appreciate your assistance in this matter. Yours Sincerely. June Brown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FJBrown (talk • contribs) 15:17, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

No, too late. Draft:The Cause For Joseph Immaculate has been speedy deleted as a copyvio. (And the name of the admin is CASSIOPEIA, with an E.)   Maproom (talk) 16:21, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

FJBrown, consider also that, even if not copypasted, "Compelling Truth" is unlikely to be considered a WP:Reliable source. Per their "about" page: The purpose statement of CompellingTruth.org is: "Presenting the truth of the Christian faith in a compelling, relevant, and practical way.". That is not WP:s purpose. For a topic like this, try to find university-published books on the topic, and summarize what they say. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:05, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia entry on "Geophysical survey (archaeology)"

Hi, The Wikipedia entry on Geophysical survey (archaeology) should be renamed to "Geophysical archaeological prospection" or "Geophysical prospection (archaeology)", since these are the commonly used terms. The expression "Geophysical survey" in regard to "geophysical archaeological prospection" is rather uncommon. How would one go about this? Thank you for any advice! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itrinks (talk • contribs) 2019-06-07T22:00:59 (UTC)

Hi, Itrinks. The best thing to do is to suggest this on the article's talk page. If after a week or so nobody has objected, you can move the page to the new title. --ColinFine (talk) 00:03, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Notability

I'm thinking of attempting to create a page called 'UEFA Euro 2020 qualifying goalscorers'. Would this be a notable topic? Or are there any other reasons not to write it? Barmanitan (talk) 21:44, 7 June 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barmanitan (talk • contribs) 21:40, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Barmanitan. The topic is notable if you can find several reliable publications which discuss the issue. It is not enough that you can find a list of the goalscorers: you would need to find places where people have actually written about the goalscorers specifically (not just listed them, but actually a significant amount of prose). I rather doubt whether this is a notable topic, but you can look. See GNG. --ColinFine (talk) 00:08, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Revision history

Is it permissible to revert an article to a version last edited by a banned editor if you feel this version is the most accurate revision? 92.10.235.192 (talk) 22:45, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

If the article is controversial, it might be better to discuss on the talk page first. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:15, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Found two nearly identical articles on major topic

Hi, I am still new to wikipedia (I still havent registred an account) so I dont know how stuff works here, but I found two articles that are nearly identical, both on an arguably important topic. I know sometimes articles here get merged. Perhaps someone could merge these two (or start a discussion on the matter)? Thanks.

Articles in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Legend , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_legend_(Spain)

5.44.170.9 (talk) 22:35, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Good catch, but I think that's deliberate. If you look at the Distinction between "black legend" and "The black legend" discussion on the talk page, you'll see some of the history in the split of the two articles. At a brief glance, it looks like the Black Legend article is intended to cover the wider concept, and Black legend (Spain) covers the details about the most prevalent use of the term. After reading through a bit of the history, if you still believe they should be merged, you can start a discussion on the talk page to get input from other editors. Schazjmd (talk) 00:17, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Becoming an editor

How can I request to become an editor? Are there any other programs I can take part in Wikipedia. I want to help as much as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imperial Numismatics (talk • contribs) 22:14, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

You ARE an editor, in that you have already been editing articles and creating a draft article. You might like to try WP:The Wikipedia Adventure. David notMD (talk) 01:52, 8 June 2019 (UTC)