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Template:Timeline House of Alpin

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:33, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Single use template. Text can be included in House of Alpin, the only articles where it is used. The Banner talk 21:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Fourteenth Doctor stories

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2024 July 15. Izno (talk) 00:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Dick Schoof sidebar

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Dick Schoof. ✗plicit 23:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Dick Schoof sidebar with Template:Dick Schoof.
A navigation bar and a sidebar is duplication, in particular because there is not much to link yet Dajasj (talk) 19:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Module:Citation

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The 2018 TfD says that "a soft redirect in a module is not possible". That's not true anymore. require('Module:Module wikitext')._addText('{{soft redirect|Module:Citation/CS1}}') would do exactly that. I'm not saying the closer made a mistake; Module:Module wikitext was created two years after the TfD, but that doesn't mean we can't reevaluate the close since things have changed now. Nickps (talk) 15:31, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Trappist the monk since their comment on RfD brought the module to my attention. Nickps (talk) 15:34, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Umm, that require() doesn't work. I don't know why and I'm not going to take the time to figure it out. Currently, if Module:Citation is invoked you get:
{{#invoke:Citation|citation}}
Lua error in Module:Citation at line 1: This module is retained for historical and structural reasons; consider using Module:Citation/CS1..
I think that error message appropriate. Readers should never see it but editors will if they are doing something that they ought not do (and are paying attention ...).
If we want to 'soft redirect' Module:Citation can't we just add {{soft redirect|Module:Citation/CS1}} to someplace in Module:Citation/doc and be done?
—Trappist the monk (talk) 19:26, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That require doesn't work because it just redirects the page. If you add a second line that says return require [[Module:Citation/CS1]] under it, then the module will be functional too. Nickps (talk) 19:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've edited Module:Sandbox/Nickps to demonstrate. {{#invoke:Sandbox/Nickps|citation}} gives Lua error in Module:Citation/CS1 at line 4150: attempt to concatenate a nil value. which doesn't look too promising at first but it's the same error as {{#invoke:Citation/CS1|citation}}: Lua error in Module:Citation/CS1 at line 4150: attempt to concatenate a nil value. which means the redirect is working. Nickps (talk) 20:02, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I just pushed the change to Module:Citation directly as a proof of concept. It can always be reverted later. Nickps (talk) 20:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is it that I am not understanding? You get the Lua error in Module:Citation/CS1 at line 4150 error message because of line 2 at Module:Citation (permalink). It is not obvious that line 1 (permalink) is doing anything that we want. If, as WP:SOFTREDIR says, Soft redirects differ in that they leave the reader on the redirect page that isn't happening because line 2 is pretty much the equivalent of a hard redirect. So tell me, what it is that you are attempting to accomplish with your edit? That edit puts the soft redirect outside of the module documentation. Wouldn't it be better to add {{soft redirect}} to the ~/doc page?
Part of my misunderstanding was that I expected an invoke of Module:Citation to do nothing but put up a soft redirect annotation and halt as WP:SOFTREDIR sort of suggests that it should. The soft redirect annotation is for direct wikilinks ([[Module:Citation]] → Module:Citation). That being the case, I see no benefit to be gained by using the module to create the soft redirect annotation when the same can be accomplished by including {{soft redirect}} in the ~/doc page.
Just what am I missing?
—Trappist the monk (talk) 21:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now I'm confused. If you open Module:Citation you're left at the redirect page. So by the definition you provide, that's a soft redirect. I don't see how a redirect being soft or hard has anything to do with what it does when transcluded. Now, we could move the soft redirect template to the documentation page, although that would require changing the second line (then only line) to return require('Module:Citation/CS1') to avoid creating a hard redirect. Or, we could avoid this entire conversation and go with Pppery's suggestion of making a hard redirect. Nickps (talk) 22:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it must be a redirect, let it be a hard redirect or (my preference) leave it as it was and delete {{Citation/lua}} as unused/unnecessary. And then let us be done with this.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed on a hard redirect being better than a soft one. Nickps (talk) 15:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a link to the previous TfD. Nickps (talk) 17:19, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Holly Trolley (VTA)

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. ✗plicit 23:35, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 08:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Can I place this somewhere in VTA light rail? If so, I can do that. If not, you can delete that.
- SleepTrain456 (talk) 18:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SleepTrain456: Even there, it's still going to be just a few sentences. We don't need a dedicated RDT for an infrequent seasonal service that operates entirely over trackage shown in other RDTs. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
P.S., I've since added the template to VTA light rail, and failing that, to California Trolley and Railroad Corporation. If they belong to one of these, that's fine by me. If they belong to neither article, you're welcome to delete it.
- SleepTrain456 (talk) 23:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:26, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:They aren't

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2024 July 15. Izno (talk) 13:58, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:They use

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 13:58, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Subst and delete. Too specific. {{gender:Example|he uses|she uses|they use}} isn't too long and we can't create these for every verb ad infinitum. Nardog (talk) 13:04, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

go ahead, and tbf I kinda made template:they verb shortly afterwards to solve the issue of creating these for every verb ad infinitum by having one that would very obviously solve it for every possible verb 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 16:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:IPAc-is

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 13:57, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No transclusions. Created in 2019. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:46, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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User:UBX/Juve Merda

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The result of the discussion was Procedurally closed.. Wrong venue. User boxes are discussed at WP:MFD. Whpq (talk) 17:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Offensive against Juventus Football Club, "merda" in Italian is a vulgar word equivalent to "shit"Qwerty 9706 (talk) 11:35, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Australia squad 2019 World Women's Handball Championship

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 13:56, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the entries have been deleted as non notable. A navbox for 3 players (including 1 under AfD) is not useful. Also unusual to create a team template for a team that came last in a competition. LibStar (talk) 00:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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