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Question! How can a person ensure that after his death that their name is updated here.

Hi let's take me for an example. People who knows me personally outside Wikipedia, don't know that I am Wikipedia editor and its not like that I can leave a will, that my name should be updated here once I passed away. And the people who knows me in Wikipedia don't know me personally. But I would really like to have my name up there as its my legacy, to show that I have helped to pass the knowledge to another generation.

Don't freak out, it not like I am not planning to die any time soon, but who knows right!. I joined Wikipedia to share the knowledge and want that legacy to be kept.

I took a long break from Wikipedia an just came back but I found that some had placed a deletion tag on my page. Lucky for me some good Samaritan removed that. I don't want these to happen also.

Not sure if this is the right place to talk all these details, considering the people mentioned in the other page is no longer with us. But I writing this with full respect to them and they too might have wanted this and had help from someone. But there are lot people who don't.

Please remove if this section is in appropriate for this page and I would fully respect that.

Just checking!. Thanks. KAS^(talk) 19:16, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Kirananils possibly, tell people who know you IRL that you edit Wikipedia, and make that connection known on-wiki. This might require you WP:OUTING yourself, though. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 00:23, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Kirananils, you could add it to your will, namely that you're Wikipedia editor Kirananils, and would someone in your real life please contact (you would have to name an editor) to inform them in the event of anything unmentionable. And you could leave instructions for that editor to say X and Y on this page, depending on whether you want to be real-named at that point or not. SarahSV ^(talk) 05:05, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Elliot321 & SarahSV. Thanks for the suggestions. KAS^(talk) 16:50, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I'd appreciate input on this

Hello. I requested an edit on Template talk:Deceased Wikipedian#Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2021 and I was told to come here to have someone consider my request I made, with one backtrack I made in my last reply. Thank you. 2603:301D:22B2:4000:8C26:41A9:43ED:5BD3 (talk) 16:53, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

To avoid a discussion fork, allow me to suggest that the discussion be continued on the template's talk page rather than here. So please go to Template talk:Deceased Wikipedian#Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2021 to add your thoughts and ideas. Thank you very much! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 17:46, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Yoninah

I don't know if this is the appropriate venue to share this information, (Redacted) I, as I'm sure many people across Wikipedia will be, devastated to hear of her passing. She was huge part of why I've continued my editing here. May she rest in peace. ❯❯❯ Mccunicano☕️ 08:13, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing. I was afraid that this was the reason, but am still shocked to tears. We ran a project together to improve the Psalms articles, - any help with that will build her legacy. Best so far Psalm 84, about "The Pilgrim's Love and Longing for God and His House". Her contributions were a blessing for the project. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:56, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Indeed, such a blessing her contributions and guidance were! My soul longeth for the ability to write such a tidy and pleasant article as seen at Psalm 84. My knowledge of the topic you mention is quite limited, but I would be happy to help in whatever way I can after acquainting myself with the articles. ❯❯❯ Mccunicano☕️ 12:04, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

If true, this is devastating to many on Wikipedia, including myself. She was one of our most consistent pillars on Wikipedia, in particular WT:DYK. — Maile (talk) 12:23, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

@Mccunicano: did it occur to you that, without an on wiki self-identification or a relative posting, etc., then maybe there is no appropriate venue to share information that you have "researched" off-wiki? If someone hasn't self-identified as a Wikipedian off-wiki, then perhaps it's because they had private reasons for not doing so. ——Serial 12:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Linking to off-wiki information about an editor and their real-life identity is frowned upon, but such content does not need to be linked to be true. Primefac (talk) 15:50, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Very sad to hear this. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

An omnipresence on Wikipedia. This is very sad news. Ergo Sum 15:09, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Ptmccain

Ptmccain (talk · contribs · block log) made 1,300 edits over 5 months in 2006, 433 of which were to a single article (Martin Luther). As a result of persistent 3RR breaches on this article and, later, trolling on ANI, this user acquired an extensive block log, culminating in an indefinite block in 2006 which remains in place today. I am not sure how the project has handled such situations in the past (if it has even had to deal with them), but I would like to suggest that it may not be appropriate to list this user on this page - or, at the very least, to revise the note the explain that Ptmccain was not always a positive contributor to the encyclopedia. This, that and the other (talk) 00:12, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

• Isn't it 'Deceased Wikipedians', not 'Deceased Wikipedians We Consider In Good Standing'? I don't see how someone's block log should matter here. We have other editors listed here, such as John Patrick Bedell, who had less edits and committed criminal acts. So where should we draw the line? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alison (talk • contribs) 01:23, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
  • As I understand it, we list former editors here or at WP:MIA to document that they no longer edit. Any editor that was banned (or indefinitely blocked) isn't editing because of what they did, so there's no reason to note their apparent death. Besides that, this isn't an objective list of deceased Wikipedians; it's a hagiography designed to politically demarcate which behaviors we want to praise. Blocked/banned editors almost suffer damnatio and do not deserve listing here. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:31, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
  • It depends ultimately on how you define "Wikipedian". In any case, if Bedell is there I am willing to accept that Ptmccain should be too. His obituary will need some editing though. This, that and the other (talk) 01:35, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
    • I've rewritten the obituary. This, that and the other (talk) 03:08, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
• I agree that the circumstances of someone's contributions should be noted truthfully in an obituary, but making their recognition conditional on being in good standing seems rather distasteful to me. I think it is good to honor the dead. jp×g 09:06, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Jewel457

Joel Encinas (User:Jewel457) died last April 27, 2021. I don't know if he can be included in the list of deceased Wikipedians because he contributed only 212 edits here in the English Wikipedia. Anyway, he was a fellow Wikimedian and was active in participating in promoting Wikimedia projects in various places in the Philippines. Refer to the photos below for some of the activities that he participated. I hope that you can consider adding him or at least give me permission to add a memorial hatnote on his user page. Thanks. --Jojit (talk) 09:22, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

• 
  Me and Joel (right) during an Open Web Day event.
• 
  Joel discussing Wikipedia on a conference.

Jojit, I'm sorry that nobody noticed your question sooner. Assuming you are absolutely certain that the editor has died and have some way to demonstrate that, please leave a note at m:Steward requests/Miscellaneous, to get the account globally locked. After posting that request, you can follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians/Guidelines to edit the user page here. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:40, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Oji

RIP.

This is a potential test case, if ever, as discussed in WP-death and elsewhere.

A wikipedian, as well as (professionally) active at death's time, in sport(s). Bokoharamwatch (talk) 23:42, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Salvaging a deceased editor's work in progress

It is worthwhile to review a deceased editor's draft articles and other work in progress so that whatever additional work is needed on them can be done. Visit Special:Allpages/User:Example and Special:Contributions/Example. Restricting the contributions search to namespace Draft is a way to find draft articles that the editor was working on. Drafts seemingly abandoned by a deceased wikipedian may still be worth salvaging, or at least tagging as {{Promising draft}} so that they won't be deleted as abandoned. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 13:53, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

@Eastmain: Any draft is fair game => This is a wiki and drafts are drafts, though I would suggest moving it to the draft namespace. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:27, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Page protection for deceased editor

Are there admins here to whom one can request page protection for a deceased editor, or should a request be submitted at WP:RFPP? My only reservation for not going there first was not to draw attention to this before admin action occurred. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 13:01, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I see now that one leaves a request with a Steward. Will do. Goldsztajn (talk) 13:03, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

@Goldsztajn: I have fixed up the local user and user talk pages. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:25, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Billinghurst, thank you for your quick response. May I add Richard Meyers to the 2012 page? There are the notices I found about him: [1] [2]. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 20:59, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

@Goldsztajn: I am not really around that whole process, if you feel that it is relevant, then please make the edits. If it is protected then use {{editprotected}} on the talk page with the requisite text. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:02, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

User:JGHowes

See [3]. Rest in peace, Mr. Howes. :( Connormah (talk) 22:45, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Length guidelines

2015			55
2016			75
2017			130
2018			55
2019			85
2020			75
2021			465
Average number of words per entry in each year

Looking at how different Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians/2021, in style and especially the number of words, is from all the preceding years, I wonder whether it would be appropriate to add a brief suggestion about how to write entries to the guidelines page. Much of the length recently is due to duplicating Signpost articles and comments posted elsewhere. Maybe the advice should be "usually a few sentences" and "link to longer pieces"? WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:17, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Do we need a rule for everything? I don't see why it matters if a section is long (assuming it is the result of consensus between several established editors and not someone's excessive wording). Johnuniq (talk) 05:26, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

I am not sure if length is the only or most important parameter, but the chart reveals something that should be somehow addressed. History should be a guide, lest mistakes be repeated. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:14, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Looking at the 2021 page, I don't personally feel there's much of a problem. Remember that the available personal information varies greatly. We happen to have had the deaths of three very well-known users in the last 5 months, and only one essentially non-en:wp editor is listed so far. Looking at 2019, it would have been good to have more on some in particular (Angus McLellan and Brian Boulton for example). Some, like Paul Barlow in 2015, are much too short (but it links to an external obituary). Johnbod (talk) 03:21, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I think it would be better not to copy comments/contents from other pages on to this one. I think it would be better to simply link to those other pages (as was occasionally done in the past). Does anyone object? WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:57, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Since no one has objected during the last four months, I have removed the long sections of quotations from this page. This still leaves very long descriptions, relative to the previous 15 years' standard practice, but it reduces the redundancy. (I don't have a recommendation for the impossible situation.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:52, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

I did not know this proposal was occuring, but I agree with Johnuniq and Johnbod. This is completely unnecessary. It is not surprising that some of the most active Wikipedians of all time get more text. Nobody is being forced to read it. Crossroads ^-talk- 04:20, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't think that's what happened here. I think that the first entry for this year was written by people unfamiliar with the previous style, and that it got copied for some of the subsequent ones. If you look at other years, e.g., Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians/2019, there are also editors who have made hundreds of thousands of edits listed, and their passing is marked by a single paragraph, with no Shakespearean sonnets or lists of editors' personal comments quoted here in their honor. Is it really appropriate to include statements such as "Over 60 Wikipedians have left testimonials on her talk page"? How about "was also honored with the Precious award in 2017", when that award is really just a personal message that a single editor leaves on your talk page? WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:41, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

'Previous years' is an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. If a cemetery has differing-sized headstones for different people, is it the place of observers to argue that some headstones are too big in their opinion and to cut them down to size? No, that is obviously in bad taste. Again, nobody is being forced to read these. Cutting them down does not improve the encyclopedia at all. They were already decided on. There is no real problem here. Crossroads ^-talk- 05:19, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

The community's long-standing practice – the primary source of all of our policies – should not be dismissed as OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. If you are attached to it, then I think the last paragraph is the most relevant.

You say that "They were already decided on". Where were these decisions made, and who made them? WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:13, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

They were built by editing, same as articles, IIRC. I also think there was discussion on the talk page of that year's entries. Crossroads ^-talk- 05:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

If they were built by editing, same as articles, then shouldn't I be allowed to edit them, too? The comments on the talk page include complaints about needless and inappropriate duplication, including the quotations. I see that you opposed that editor's efforts to edit the page, too. It feels a little OWNish. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:31, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

But it's not an article. We put these together months ago, and now you want to chop them down. And this is all based on your personal opinion. This is in bad taste and not warranted. And I was not the only editor with my position at that talk page, or here. Not OWN. Crossroads ^-talk- 04:01, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

I think that what's written there now is in bad taste.

If you will check the timestamps above and on the talk page for 2021, you will see that someone raised concerns about this stylistic situation while you were actively writing it. You rejected her advice. I raised this issue here months ago, while editors were writing another one. Those were very much timely objections. We should not be stuck forever with whatever was written a few months ago. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:29, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

The quoted testimonials should be removed. This isn't Facebook. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 06:40, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

User:Roger Hui

[4] [5] (also the subject of Roger Hui) Connormah (talk) 17:01, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Connormah: I have protected the user page and added {{Deceased Wikipedian}} --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 17:19, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@AmandaNP: Can we get a lock? --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 17:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Connormah: For the record, was done by Amanda. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 05:36, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Patrick Rogel

Patrick Rogel (talk · contribs) seems to have passed August 2020 as shown in https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussion_utilisateur:Patrick_Rogel&diff=prev&oldid=185586953 and https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&type=revision&diff=600746135&oldid=600745337 but my french is not good enaugh to dig any deeper. Agathoclea (talk) 11:27, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

https://deces.matchid.io/id/Izc4ZKd17nS5 has been given as reference. Agathoclea (talk) 07:32, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@AmandaNP: Can we get a lock here by any chance? Blocked as deceased on Commons and frwiki. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 05:38, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I've tagged the user page and followed WP:RIP but would appreciate a second set of eyes. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 05:46, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

User:Stephensuleeman

I heard that the user above was deceased.. it says so on his user page and he was demoted from rollbacker due to it. Is it true? Race To Oblivion (ネザーへのハイウェイ) (talk) 18:09, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Race To Oblivion, sadly yes, per this post at WP:AN. I don't know if the two of you were acquainted, but if so, I'm sorry for your loss. AngryHarpy‍^talk 18:19, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

User:Ihcoyc

User:Ihcoyc has passed, on December 19th. There are links to his facebook obit on his talk page.. I don't know anything about the arrangements or when or if there will be an obit in a RS. I am not familiar with the policy regarding how to manage deceased wikipedians, or memorialize, just wanted to share the info so someone can take up the torch of the steps to preserve his account. Centerone (talk) 06:43, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

User:Possibly

The sad news that Possibly (formerly ThatMontrealIP) passed away was shared by a family member who posted a link to his memorial on his user page [6]. Netherzone (talk) 14:49, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

I just noticed this the other day when I saw Possibly's name crossed out in a page history and thought, "Why is this account blocked?" It was sad to find out why. They will be missed on Wikipedia. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:06, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

User:Sk8erPrince

User:Sk8erPrince appears to have died (Redacted).

However, as a result of abusive behavior both on and off-site (Redacted), he was indefinitely blocked by Arbcom in the midst of discussion about a topic ban. 9³ (talk) 04:40, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Personal information redacted and oversighted - please contact the oversight team -- TNT (talk • she/her) 07:21, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

My apologies. I will be more careful in the future. Thank you for confirming though. 9³ (talk) 22:51, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

As an ex-oversighter, let me say that oversight does not imply confirmation - Alison ^❤ 06:26, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

I was referring to the memorial templates placed on his pages. If you think they were in error they should be removed. 9³ (talk) 08:11, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Mareklug

pl:Wikipedia:Zmarli wikipedyści has listed Mareklug (talk · contribs) as deceased since July. They cite [7], and I found [8] as well, which, sadly, seems to match the photo on his userpage and the biographical information on the Flickr account linked from that photo's description. Should his passing be added to the 2020 page? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 08:50, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, sure. A user with over 10K edits definitely deserves to be added here.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:16, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

I have written a short entry for Mareklug on the 2020 page. It would be great if someone who knew him better could expand it. @Ymblanter: Would you mind taking the necessary administrative steps here? There's already a lock request pending at m:SRG (which is how I became aware of this). -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 03:31, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I've updated his user page and protected it. Thank you for caring about him - Alison ^❤ 04:11, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Alison. Should the account's user rights be modified as well? It seems WP:DWG is a bit ambiguous on this for the permissions in question. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 04:17, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't think there's anything there that could be disruptive if his account was compromised. Let's leave things be - Alison ^❤ 05:13, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Kittybrewster

Apparently Sir William Reierson Arbuthnot, 2nd Baronet of Kittybrewster, and son of Sir John Arbuthnot, 1st Baronet, aka user:Kittybrewster, died in October 2021. DS (talk) 01:23, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Adrian Lamo

I don't have a lot of time right now, but could someone add my old friend Adrian to the list of deceased editors? User:Adrian~enwiki is the account he used to edit under, real life article about them at Adrian Lamo. He died in 2018, and had about 5,000 edits on his account. — Moe Epsilon 00:29, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

• Sure thing. I put in an entry and a photo. Hope that's okay - Alison ^talk 05:02, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

• It is, thanks :) — Moe Epsilon 06:58, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Jwicklatz

I posted a query on that user's talk page. They have not edited here since July 2018, but I found a possibly related obituary notice from August 2018. Experienced editors here might like to take a look, at some point, and come to a view. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:36, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Moriori

Sadly, it appears administrator User:Moriori passed away, per Wikipedia talk:Administrators' newsletter#User Moriori and checkuser confirmation at Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard#Admin Account. May want to add them to the list. –Novem Linguae (talk) 03:57, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Eddaido

@Sammy D III: reports that User:Eddaido died peacefully on 15 June 2022. They were a prolific editor on vehicles and New Zealand geography.-gadfium 01:18, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

User:FDLeyda

User:FDLeyda appears to have passed on in September 2019 according to online obituaries. Could someone make he relevant notices etc? I've read the guidelines but I'm not sure how to do many of the things it suggests. Thank you! MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 11:13, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

"Edge case" question

Say that User:Example dies. User:Example's brother states that yes, Example is dead, but then says he now assumes responsibility of the User:Example account. What happens in this case? Is the account listed at Category:Deceased Wikipedians or is a note placed on the user page about the situation? 172.112.210.32 (talk) 03:33, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

That sounds like a compromised account. How do we even know Example is dead? Wikipedia accounts are meant to be one person each; no sharing or passing on a registered account. A block would be in order. Chris Troutman (talk) 10:52, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

@Chris troutman: In general a lock would be more desirable as it would prevent the account being used on any project by anyone. But I could be getting too "in the weeds" here. TheSandDoctor ^Talk 23:43, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Okay, might need to clarify. In this case User:Example's brother would ideally have already announced prior to User:Example's death that he and Example were related. Also, would it still be any different if Example's brother did not have an account, or if Example stated his Wikipedia account would be put into the hands of Example's brother in their will along with that? 172.112.210.32 (talk) 02:01, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

There is no "responsibility" for the account of another individual. If Example's brother wishes to edit Wikipedia, he can easily create his own account. We do not allow editors to trade on the reputation of their friends or family members. As WP:SHAREDACCOUNT makes clear, shared accounts can only exist with the permission of the WMF, and only for non-editing purposes. BD2412 T 02:10, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Emana

Emana left us 13 years ago in 2009. MMessine19 (talk) 10:15, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

I think you're right given the obituary that I have read on Wikipedia and the final edit relates to the skills of Japanese. Probably right to use the tag on the user page. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:01, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

But yesterday, Beeblebrox vandalized the page for Emana. LissajousCurve (talk) 08:56, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

And the evidence is right here LissajousCurve (talk) 23:08, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@LissajousCurve: That sounds like something you should talk to Beeblebrox about. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 01:31, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

@LissajousCurve and Beeblebrox: If what I can see is what I think it is, Beeblebrox removed editor posting on Emana's user page, that should have been on her talk page. The user page is generally only edited by that user, while the talk page is the place for all the notes anyone cares to leave. If that's what happened, Beeblebrox was more likely trying to protect the person's user page. — Maile (talk) 01:50, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

• See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Emana/Obituary. And @LissajousCurve:, maybe take the time to learn what vandalism is and try to assume good faith before leveling such accusations next time. --Beeblebrox (talk) 02:44, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Darxus

Darxus is no longer with us. I'm not really sure of the method of confirming this or how to deal with his account. I don't think his family put out an official obituary, but his father memorialized this on his facebook page in publicly viewable posts. https://www.facebook.com/jerry.barwell You can confirm this is him by cross-referencing with images of him on his webpage chaosreigns which is noted on his talk page via archive.org, it looks like his website finally went down. https://web.archive.org/web/20210623111419/http://www.chaosreigns.com/ Centerone (talk) 04:12, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Are you sure? The photo at https://twitter.com/DarxusC looks not dissimilar to the one on Barwell's Facebook, but his LiveJournal lists a different high school than the Facebook profile does, and also doesn't list the collegiate education mentioned on Facebook. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 04:39, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Oh I see, it's the father's Facebook. I'm still not sure if a photo-match only is enough, though. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 04:42, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Seems possible based on the comment on the post what I think Centerone was referring to and the picture on Twitter implys he could be the same person. Has anyone asked the owner of the linked profile though - that method was used to confirm that in April 2019 that Ronhjones suddenly passed away by a one-to-one chat with one of the Wikipedia users and Ron's Facebook friend. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 09:51, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

I've looked further. Sadly, I think Centerone is correct:

• There's a post here from screenname Darxus, using the surname Barwell.
• Nathan Barwell's LinkedIn, using a profile pic that was featured in the Facebook posts, gives location Pelham, New Hampshire, same as https://darxus.livejournal.com/profile
• "Rethinking OpenPGP PKI and OpenPGP Public Keyserver" lists "Nathan Barwell" as an author in its metadata (if that link is opened while logged-out to academia.edu, but not while logged-in... weird). The paper doesn't mention any Barwell but does cite Darxus' website.

I don't see a need to bother anyone grieving. I'll protect the userpage and notify the stewards. Can someone put together a brief entry? Per a Facebook comment, looks like he died in mid-Decemeber 2021. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 10:31, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Done - in the 2021 list of entries. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 10:46, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Well, y'all have already confirmed and taken care of it. Just for the record, for anybody curious or wanting to be more sure, I just found the following post here which confirms the stuff you guys were talking about and gives more details. Centerone (talk) 23:43, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Not listed in year

I just found out that Ahsoous isn’t listed in 2020 despite him having an English language user page LissajousCurve (talk) 18:35, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Anthony Appleyard

In December 2021, user:Anthony Appleyard posted that they had been in hospital. A person of this name died in Manchester on 28 February 2022. Anthony has not edited Wikipedia since 13 February 2022. As Anthony was especially diligent and steadfast, it seems sadly likely that they are deceased. Perhaps some experienced editor from that region such as user:Boing! said Zebedee can confirm or comment on this. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:58, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

It seems that his last edits on Wikipedia were also his last edits on any wiki. I have left a note on his talk page and sent an email, to be sure. I wonder if a Checkuser can confirm that he was located in Manchester. I seem to recall knowing that he was, but I don't see where he said this. BD2412 T 03:39, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

A loss if true. A CU will not be able to confirm as the information is stale, but I am sure there are individuals who know him personally who might be able to verify. That being said, as there is no direct connection in that link to our Anthony Appleyard, I have suppressed the URL and specific location until it can be verified (though if it cannot be definitively verified, the original post is still likely to be accurate, assuming AA used his own name to edit). Primefac (talk) 05:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Sad news indeed. If it's helpful, Primefac, Anthony Appleyard stated on-wiki a while back that he lived in Manchester. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:01, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I figured someone would know. I've kept the link hidden but re-added the original text. Primefac (talk) 06:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Absent a response to my queries, I think that gives us probable cause to assume the worst. BD2412 T 07:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

He attended the eighth Manchester meetup on 25th June 2011. – wbm1058 (talk) 11:46, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

A good time and interesting discussion was had by all. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 19:37, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Appears that the sixth Manchester meetup on 5 September 2009 was the first meetup he attended. RexxS posted a picture of three attendees. – wbm1058 (talk) 12:29, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

He also attended the seventh Manchester meetup on 24th April 2011. Interesting that he said he was teetotal; these early meetups don't seem to have been the alcohol-drenched affairs that later meetups in the area have a reputation for. – wbm1058 (talk) 13:09, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I am increasingly convinced that this post is accurate, so I have performed all of the necessary administrative steps (rights removal and userpage protection). Primefac (talk) 12:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Primefac Do you want to give it some more time or should we request the account be locked as per standard procedure? TheSandDoctor ^Talk 03:47, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

I think, given the information we learnt including the bit Graham87 pointed out and myself pointing out an Anthony Appleyard did pass away on 28 February with verification from The Gazette, it is very likely glock is needed as with Ronhjones et all. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 19:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

@Iggy the Swan: Ahem, "glock"? BD2412 T 19:58, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Globally locked is what I mean (same as "locked as per standard procedure". I'm sorry for any confusion especially as glock is something else! Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I thought you might have meant blocked. Perhaps we as a project should adopt g-lock as a usage for clarity. BD2412 T 21:14, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Agree. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:20, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

There was a link to The Gazette in my original post. This was oversighted by Primefac so I'm not sure if this is still supposed to be secret. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:42, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Direct links to private individuals are always more problematic than general statements. Primefac (talk) 11:09, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Oops, I have provided that link without realising that was the one which was surpressed. I can still see it on Anthony's talk page. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 11:18, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Condolences should be left at his talk page. --Izno (talk) 20:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I've added a cropped photo, derived from the Manchester meetup photos above. Suaimhneas síoraí air - Alison ^talk 21:59, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Speaking of RexxS: that person has not edited any Wikimedia sites since late February 2021 and on the talk page, there are people who hope he will come back to edit. There's no indication on if that user has retired or taken a wikibreak etc.. His real name can be found from Commons via a category where there is the photo where the cropped version is found here in this section. At present I can't seem to find any clues from external links as to what really happened to RexxS but I would think someone would have told the community if RexxS is currently a deceased Wikimedian, as in the case of PiZero. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 11:05, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Iggy the Swan - I don’t believe RexxS is remotely deceased - and I certainly hope not! But he has left Wikipedia, which is a very great shame. KJP1 (talk) 16:39, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it's my understanding that RexxS has left the project although whether this is permanent exit or temporary, we don't know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:44, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Seems like here may be the answer about RexxS and I do think he's still around. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 15:18, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Doug attended last year's online AGM for Wikimedia UK as an outgoing trustee but did not speak. That was on 10 July 2021. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:58, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

I recently spoke to Doug (aka RexxS) by email. He's well, and sends his condolences to Anthony's friends and family. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:31, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

"Wikipedia:LATE" listed at Redirects for discussion

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BeenAroundAWhile

User:BeenAroundAWhile made over 100,000 edits and earlier in the year Jimbo personally congratulated him on reaching this milestone. He passed away per edits by his family at his userpage. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 11:56, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Procedures for adding a deceased Wikipedian

Wikipedian Mary Urashima recently passed away, and I am trying to figure out what to do to protect her account and make sure people are aware if they try to contact her on her talk page. I've added her on Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians/2022, but it's not clear to me where to go from there. I know her and know she died, and there is a news article about her passing, but I'm not sure if I need to link that to anything. Any guidance would be helpful. Thanks, Bahooka (talk) 06:03, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

@Bahooka: This notice is sufficient - I will put in user page protection and a template. I am assuming these are links that can be included. Shyamal (talk) 10:53, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your assistance. Those are appropriate articles about her. Bahooka (talk) 15:31, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Notice removals

An active but now deceased Wikipedian is on my watchlist, and I've observed that notices of deletion discussions, involving articles etc. that she created, are commonly removed from the user's talk page. I wonder about the wisdom of this. This editor felt passionately about Wikipedia and I'd like to take a look at her creations when they are proposed for deletion, and weigh in if I so desire. Seems like a fitting thing to do in her memory. I'm sure she'd want people to do this. Coretheapple (talk) 19:45, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

@Coretheapple I agree with this 100%. A team of other editors and I have been improving articles, drafts and stubs left behind from a deceased wikipedia. One would imagine that the creator of these would be grateful, wherever they may be resting. It's an expression of gratitude to improve their work moving forward, and a tribute to their contributions during life. Pinging a couple others who helped with User:Possiblys work @CT55555 and @Star Mississippi for their thoughts on this. Thank you for bringing this to the attention of the community. Deceased Wikipedians don't disappear when they die, their work lives on within the community and in the online encyclopedia! Netherzone (talk) 21:48, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Well thank you, I really appreciate your response. I follow the talk page of the deceased User:SlimVirgin, who doggedly contributed to many articles as well as adding photographs on subjects ranging from animal welfare to the Holocaust. She also was outspoken on paid editing and other internal Wikipedia matters. In so doing she ran into pushback, and at times in the past I sought to weigh in. I'm sure she would be glad to know that her legacy of fine contributions won't be reversed due to her death, and that other editors are maintaining vigilance. Thanks again for your very kind comments. Coretheapple (talk) 00:36, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping @Netherzone and apologies for the delayed response. I absolutely agree with you and @Coretheapple as you know. I feel like the articles Possibly, SlimVirgin et al left unfinished are now our jobs to finish, if possible. Because especially with those two, they G7ed it if they didn't think there was possibility so there's a core of a good article there. I do occasionally clerk for things that are resolved, such as a PROD that had been addressed because it's not of use. The G13 alerts (@Firefly's bot, I think?) are hugely helpful as are @Liz's G13 notes because they backup the watchlist where I may have missed one. Star Mississippi 14:48, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

G13 alerts are indeed mine :) firefly ( t · c ) 14:50, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

• I would suggest adding a passage to the Guidelines, perhaps saying something like " Notifications of deletion discussions and other important notices stemming from the user's work should not be removed, as other users may wish to continue the work of the deceased editor." Something like that? Our user base is not geting any younger, and I imagine this will become more important as the years go on. By the way, I don't know what G13 alerts refer to. Coretheapple (talk) 19:12, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Could anyone add Вакуленко-К. Володимир in 2022

They are an established contributor on Ukrainian Wikipedia, murdered by Russian invaders.
You can read this https://blog.wikimedia.org.ua/2022/11/29/volodymyr-vakulenko/ for further information. Lemonaka (talk) 18:58, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

• Just added now - Alison ^talk 03:56, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

First death for 2023

The German wiki lost Pelz last month https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Pelz LissajousCurve (talk) 14:24, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Holger.Ellgaard

Swedish wikipedian Holger Ellgaard died 2 months ago LissajousCurve (talk) 18:04, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Clara C.

See User:Clara C., in pt-wiki. Her real name was Lucia Pilla. Thanks, and sorry my bad English. André Koehne (talk) 13:21, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

P.S.: Spirit Wiki analysis... She really loved this project... André Koehne (talk) 13:27, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Flyer22 Frozen

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(Reposting with information removed based on feedback at WP:BLPN.[9])

I am concerned that this edit is in violation of Wikipedia:Deceased_Wikipedians/Guidelines. The requirement is to make absolutely sure that the user in question has indeed died. We do not need to publicly make a statement either way, but surely we can all agree that the criteria for inclusion in the deceased list has not been met. The community is entitled to a discussion on this. Kolya Butternut (talk) 21:37, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Kolya, you've been told to stop. You have an unhealthy obsession with this issue, and for what? What does it matter? If she's alive, we're catching the socks. And if she's dead, and you claim she isn't, that is unbelievably disrespectful. The only actual effect of removing Flyer from this list is enabling the gravedancers at Wikipediocracy. Your continued quest on this issue is disruptive, and isn't actually building the encyclopedia. Please, drop the stick. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 23:18, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Please do not personalize this. I do not feel comfortable with unreliable information being present on Wikipedia, and there has not been a discussion about addressing this policy violation. Typically an RfC would have to take place before it could be established that the community has come to a consensus on what to do and the issue should be dropped. Kolya Butternut (talk) 23:27, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

I sent an RS to Alison, and I would like her to confirm that I may revert this edit based on it. Kolya Butternut (talk) 00:03, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

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BlazerKnight

Can this be added? I found only social media posts.

In April 2010, an IP (Felix S.) posted a couple of messages at User talk:BlazerKnight saying that BlazerKnight's name was Wesley, and that he had died suddenly on 22/03/2010.

In August, another IP (Reuben) posted a message at User:BlazerKnight saying that he is one of the user's friends from Australia, and that BlazerKnight's name was Wesley Phay. He too said that Wesley Phay had passed away on 22nd March 2010.

At BlazerKnight's wordpress blog, there are links to his different social accounts and the Wikipedia account links to BlazerKnight's Wikipedia user page. In the comments, there is a message from Felix S again, and posted around the same time as the Wikipedia post, and mentioning the cause of death. Another comment from 2021 says it has been 10 years since he passed.

The Steam profile has condolence messages from 2011 and 2012. The DeviantArt profile has a message from his cousin on the passing. In 2012, there was a comment from his father at The Real Singapore. Jay 💬 20:26, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, on the following page: Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians/2010, since it happened that year instead of 2023. I agree that the Wikipedian and the wordpress blog linking these accounts were the same person and checking his contributions, it does seem more certain than not your claim is correct. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 18:48, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

I have fully protected the userpage and applied the DW template to the talk page. Thanks! BusterD (talk) 00:16, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

discrepancy in the titles of entries?

I noticed that for 2020 and prior, the convention was to include, in the title of a listing, both the deceased Wikipedian’s username, and also their real-life name (if their username doesn’t reflect their real-life name).

This practice seemed to stop starting with the entries for 2021. Since then, all the entry titles have only included the usernames of the persons in question.

This seemed odd to me. It also feels like the people are being treated differently, although I don’t always have the best sense for propriety or social norms, so my assessment on that isn’t the most reliable.

Was this a deliberate change? If so, what was the rationale? If not, then do people think it would be worth it to make the titles for entries from 2021 up until now follow the same format as the titles from 2020 and prior? Mifield 22:47, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Dthomsen8

Earlier today, Wil540 art shared the news that fashion brand Vetements released a new line of clothes including a hoodie with the text "Wikipedia Editor". Pharos reminded us that that particular design was by Dthomsen8 years ago (see this story from 2013, for example). More recently, Annie of Depths of Wikipedia picked up the design (perhaps how it got on Vetements' radar).

In the course of that discussion, Jim.henderson found an obituary here that appears to be him, sadly. David wasn't shy about his offline identity, and I had the pleasure of meeting him at a couple Wikiconferences pre-pandemic. A great contributor (just shy of 500,000 edits!) and great advocate for our community. WMF wrote a story about him here, too. It would be good to get additional corroboration, but it seems worth sharing here. :/ — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 21:03, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Inoslav Bešker

There is a request at RPPI from Sebbog13 regarding Inoslav Bešker (talk · contribs). Would someone familiar with standard procedure please handle this or provide advice. Johnuniq (talk) 07:31, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

I've protected—the guideline is at Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians/Guidelines#On the user page. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:29, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Doncram

If someone has a moment to write up an entry for Doncram (talk · contribs) (obituary), it would be appreciated. Admin/steward side has been handled. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:43, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

• Could someone link to a non-GDPR protected version please? SN54129 20:33, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

• @Serial Number 54129 [10] Dr. Duh 🩺 (talk) 21:43, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

• Thanks Doctor Duh, that's very kind of you. Appreciated. SN54129 21:49, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

• Doncram was a wonderful contributor, if unconventional. He may be the foremost page creator of National Register of Historic Places sites. So sad to hear it. BusterD (talk) 22:17, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Davidkevin

David K. M. Klaus, User:Davidkevin, died July 27 according to Ansible [11]. —Tamfang (talk) 04:54, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Mmounties

[12] jp×g 20:45, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

I modified her foreign links and memorialized almost all of them LissajousCurve (talk) 19:33, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

User:Sarang

@ARK: Sarang (talk · contribs · global contribs · logs · block log), very experienced user on Commons, and part of the German Community, died on 20 September 2023. ZandDev (msg) 16:56, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

@ZandDev: A close friend of Sarang's has provided some biographical data, which Doc Taxon and I have written up into an obituary. ARK (talk) 16:30, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

User:AntonLogvynenko

Anton Logvynenko, User:AntonLogvynenko, talented Ukrainian artist, image colorizer and the person behind the now-defunct titanic-in-color website from 2010 to 2017 and the website history-in-color since 2017, killed in battle during the Russian invasion of Ukraine on 29th November 2023.

Announcements of his death: https://twitter.com/BoldlyBuilding2/status/1730039037337935906 https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=330636409674178

Here's a link to Anton's facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/historyincolorart/

Article about Anton's colorization from 2013. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2401724/Titanic-Colour-Photographer-colours-black-white-pictures-worlds-famous-ship-extraordinary-results.html 2606:8700:A:A:D1E:D67A:47B:6193 (talk) 17:41, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

This user has only contributed to Wikipedia once and Commons twice, I don't think that is enough for inclusion on the list of deceased users. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 18:55, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I am Kari glodt

Please stop with this life is changing for everyone the domino effect is going to happen. Please I have a child with autism who is getting bullied. Stop this. 2001:5B0:45C0:5AE8:2842:F03F:BAFB:239A (talk) 18:23, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Congratulations on your continuing existence, anon, and thanks for the information. But how can the English Wikipedia assist you, if you have no account or article? ——Serial 18:44, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Testimonials

Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians/2021 is unique among all the years for its inclusion of what its talk page calls "testimonials" for a couple of entries. I would like to copyedit the page to follow the usual format (e.g., to link to comments on their User_talk: pages, rather than copying selected comments to this page). Does anyone have concerns about that? WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:09, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

I see no need to remove those remarks, especially because they are not present on the users' talk pages. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:23, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Um, @Michael Bednarek, one of them says "Over 60 Wikipedians have left testimonials on her talk page, including:", and if you click the link in that sentence, you will find those 14 remarks right there in the linked section on her talk page. Why do you say that these remarks are not present on her talk page? WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:59, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I mistakenly used 'because' instead of 'if', and I was particularly concerned about Andrew Cooper/User:GuillaumeTell; there's only one overlap with User talk:GuillaumeTell. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:16, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm primarily concerned with the longer entries, but if we wanted to have a uniform "no testimonials" style, the contents could be copied to his User_talk: page and the facts re-written (e.g., "An alumnus of Oxford University who studied under Christopher Rick, he was valued on Wikipedia for his deep knowledge of architecture, for encouraging editors to create articles about the arts, and for supporting people through the FA process"). WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:10, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Not a good idea to edit personal comments left by grieving Wikipledians. Not even if similar comments are left on the deceased's user page. Yoninah's are as lengthy and wordy, because she touched so many Wikipedians during her years with us. Editing those comments would be the same as a passing reader going online to funeral home site, or some independent obituary site, and editing comments left by the bereaved. — Maile (talk) 23:36, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Also, if I get your drift above, you want something standard that limits what editors can say and how they say it. This is not a good idea when it comes to expressions of bereavement. Whether editors are feeling a loss, or just paying their personal respects, they should express it in their own way. — Maile (talk) 12:03, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

I think that if editors are paying their personal respects, they should do so on the User_talk: page of the individual. WP:OBIT is a collective, rather than personal, space, and I think that a moderate level of standardization promotes fairness. Imagine what this might look like to an outsider. We have one obit that is three sentences long, followed by another than has half a dozen paragraphs and 14 excerpts from another page. Was the first editor less valued than the second?

Looking at it more broadly, the obits for all the editors who died in 2019 and 2020 averaged 80 words each. The 2021 obits average 250 words each. The obits for 2022 and 2023 average 100 words each. Were the editors who died in 2021 two or three times more valued than the editors who died during other years? I think some friends and family members would get that impression from our differential handling.

Again, the obits in 2021 are the only ones that contain multiple quotations. Why should that one year be so different? In 2021, we note here that more than 60 people left messages of condolence on one editor's talk page, and excerpted a quarter of them to this page; in 2023, more than 200 people left messages on one deceased editor's talk page, and 168 on another's, but we quote none of them. Can you explain why this difference is important to preserve? WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:23, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Leave it alone. Very few people are going to worry about the lack of uniformity. Johnuniq (talk) 23:49, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. Johnbod (talk) 00:15, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

I also agree. As Maile said, with expressions of bereavement it's likely better to leave it alone. SouthernNights (talk) 12:30, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

+1. Copyediting / deleting just seems wrong here - Alison ^talk 23:16, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

User:Nosebagbear

Per ticket:2023090110003382, died 31 August 2023. Primefac (talk) 11:49, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

A photograph?

Since many people have said they were with him at Wikimania, does anyone have (or would anyone like to upload) a photograph? It is often hard to track one down for WP:DECEASED and Signpost obituaries. jp×g 01:09, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

@JPxG: In case you don't get a response on this, File:Meeting of the MCDC in Berlin, portrait Nosebagbear.jpg and File:Nbb Trout.jpg both are on Commons. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 01:24, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Ah, these are good. Thank you. jp×g 02:09, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

@JPxG: File:Wikipedians at Wikimania 2023 Learning Clinic.jpg Basak (talk) 07:58, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

I've created a Commons category for photos of him. Legoktm (talk) 10:01, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Late to the group

I had forgotten this page existed and have just noticed that I failed to recognise that several well-known names had disappeared from Talk pages. What a sad loss to the project this gentleman is. Deb (talk) 14:08, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Death of Anthony Bradbury

I have confirmed that Anthony Bradbury has died; here is my post at the bureaucrats' noticeboard about it. I'm not sure how I'd go about adding Tony here; it was upsetting enough removing his admin rights. Acalamari 12:17, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@Acalamari, thank you for your help with this situation. DreamRimmer has added him to the list. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:11, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

User:KFFOWLER

This user, who was confirmed to be Mr. Keith Fowler, is now apparently deceased. Should I go ahead and add his name to the list? Dronebogus (talk) 00:09, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Maybe not? The article needs to be updated, and the account should be glocked, but OBITs are usually written for editors who are relatively well known by other Wikipedia editors, and this particular editor doesn't seem to have forged very many ties within the community. Have you posted the news to m:Steward requests/Global#Requests for global (un)lock and (un)hiding yet? WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:36, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

The editor has several thousand edits over the course of a decade. They may not have been well-known, but they certainly did more than stop by for a peek. BD2412 T 01:36, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Here's my thinking: The editor mostly edited articles. A quarter of his ~2,600 edits are to the article about himself (which he started, and nearly all of which was written by him). He also wrote about people close to him. I think his mainspace edits represent a community, but it's not the Wikipedia community; it's the theater community in his region. As for his connection to this community, he averaged only about four edits per year to discussion namespaces. While some communication happens through edit summaries or other actions, a few comments a year is just not a lot of opportunity to get to know other editors.

What's your thinking? WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:29, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm a lawyer and most of the articles I have created (excluding disambiguation pages) have been about lawyers and judges. We all write what we know, and work within our communities within the space, and in this way the encyclopedia gets built. Granted, his editing about himself was a bit much, but if you exclude that, he was still productive. BD2412 T 03:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I'd say put him in - look at Theodor Otto Diener in 2023. Johnbod (talk) 04:18, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I might add Bamber Gascoigne, very famous in the UK, and a valuable public supporter of WP, but with only a trickle of edits himself. Johnbod (talk) 03:22, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Likewise. The top of Mr. Fowler's talk page is "Help, please, to improve objectivity", so he got ahead of any WP:COI issues, and local theater is definitely worthy of coverage. Vale! kencf0618 (talk) 13:27, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

You seem to be suggesting there’s some kind of minimum interaction/popularity standard for an obituary, or that doing something dubious (i.e. writing a glorified vanity page) excludes one from having an obituary. Granted, I don’t think every account owned by a deceased person, or users who have been profoundly censured by the community, deserves inclusion; but is creating a formal hierarchy of memorial worthiness really something we should be aiming for? Dronebogus (talk) 08:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I agree with User:Dronebogus it seems strange the user must be WORTHY by some criteria for inclusion for Deceased Wikipedian. I find it awkward (and interesting) that KFFOWLER operated for so long under such circumstances and didn't draw too much undue attention to himself. For my part, I saw the post of social media from somebody I knew 40 years ago who was confused about how to proceed. I asked them to contact me directly when the family was aware of any obituary, and send an email to checkusers to verify authenticity. And I asked Dronebogus to help, since these were unfamiliar waters. BusterD (talk) 11:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I suggest only that the guideline says listed users should have been active enough to be considered part of the community, and that I don't personally consider someone who has made only a couple of comments to other editors per year to be "part of the community". Each of us is entitled to our own way of understanding what it means to be part of the community, and if you feel like someone who rarely said a word to anyone else is part of your community, then that's 100% fine. I don't happen to feel that way myself, but I've no complaint with anyone who genuinely does. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

We also say that "generally a few hundred edits is considered reason enough" to include someone, for what it's worth. I think the goal should be to recognize people who have taken the time to improve the encyclopedia, and it's certainly possible to do that quietly. (One might say focusing on mainspace is more a virtue than a vice.) If someone wants to write up an entry for KFFOWLER, I say more power to them. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:30, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

With some irony it occurred to me that under the CC BY-SA 4.0 License and GFDL, linked below our edit window, the contributor's own words (written about himself in pagespace) might be used (with appropriate attribution). This case makes for an interesting discussion in BLP policy as well. Should a BLP/wikipedian's own description/depiction of themself have any impact on the the way we treat content, in the case of such a wikipedian's pagespace article? BusterD (talk) 19:29, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Why NOTOC?

Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians/Tab header specifies __NOTOC__. As a result, there is no table of contents on each year's list of individuals. I think it would be useful to have that TOC to help navigate the page or see at a glance who's there (if I'm trying to find someone but don't know the year). It seems like it has always been set up this way. Any objection to changing it? Pinging User:Titodutta who set that token. DMacks (talk) 06:11, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@DMacks Hello, please feel free to make necessary change(s). No objection at all. Sincerely, —Titodutta (talk) 06:59, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Enabled, and it seems to work both on the main page (TOC lists years) and each year's page (TOC lists individuals' names). DMacks (talk) 07:28, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

DMacks, Titodutta: The addition of the TOC really messed up the page's overall formatting by adding a TOC at the top, not only to the individual years. Since we already have a year header that allowed people to quickly get to the year they wanted, the TOC means we're listing the years twice at the top of the page. I understand that it'd be nice to have a TOC on each individual year, but we have to find a way to do that without messing other things up. I'm going to undo this change until we get consensus from people here that they want it.--SouthernNights (talk) 15:39, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like this might be skin- or browser-specific. No objection to undoing pending improving the portability. DMacks (talk) 17:17, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Absolutely no objection. Go for it. As I said, I liked the idea but the results I saw on the main page were my concern. SouthernNights (talk) 17:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@SouthernNights: did the change only mess up the main page, or also each year's page? DMacks (talk) 17:45, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, just the main page. Each year's page looked fine. SouthernNights (talk) 17:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Surely, Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians/Tab header can be coded that it emits __NOTOC__ only if it's invoked on Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:02, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

That's a lot of double-negativing. I put the NOTOC on the main page itself, since that's the specific one we seem not to want it. And I removed it from the header-template that's transcluded on both the main page and the year pages. That means the TOC now also appears on the Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians/Guidelines, Wikipedia talk:Deceased Wikipedians, and Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians/Members pages as well, which I think(?) is an advantage. DMacks (talk) 04:17, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Problem with user page for Frostly

Frostly is still active but the user page (ditto talk page) seems to indicate deceased. I believe it is a mistake resulting from the last edit, i.e. the template beginning with DISPLAYTITLE. I would appreciate assistance.--Ipigott (talk) 11:07, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

What makes you think that the user is being treated as deceased? The userpage has a message that means "In memory of User:Vami IV". It has not been tagged as {{Deceased Wikipedian}} or anything like that. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:27, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

User:Goertz

On :de we became aware only today, that User:Goertz has died already in 2011.[13] For his disclosed data see his entry in de:Wikipedia:Gedenkseite_für_verstorbene_Wikipedianer#2011. Eventually an admin here could block his :en-userpage etc. --Túrelio (talk) 17:28, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for letting us know, @Túrelio.

Vermont, I don't see a request for the Stewards to glock the account yet. Do you think Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians/Guidelines should link to m:Steward requests/Global? WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:45, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

I've made the lock. I don't think there's a need to explicitly point people to SRG. Vermont (🐿️—🏳️‍🌈) 18:29, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:20, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

@Vermont and WhatamIdoing: This user was somewhat active on enwiki back in 2007. Should we add them to the 2011 obituaries? QuicoleJR (talk) 15:04, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't recommend it. We add {{Deceased Wikipedian}} for nearly every identified death, but for this page, we usually include only people whom we remember as being "part of the community". During the six months he edited here, he edited 23 articles and made about five short comments on talk pages. These were mostly helpful contributions, but he does not seem to have made any wiki-friends, joined any groups, collaborated on any programs, or otherwise became "part of the community".

Perhaps a reasonable rule of thumb would be: We should add people whom at least one editor remembers and would like to have memorialized (and probably that editor should be the one to propose or start the entry). WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:12, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi protection?

Noticing the recent tasteless vandalism, I'm wondering if this is the sort of page that should be indefinitely semi-protected. Jclemens (talk) 20:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Yuri Lushchai

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yuri Lushchai. The Wikipedia page Yuri Lushchai is likely to be deleted. Is there a way this recently deceased Wikipedian can be added to this English language deaths? He was one of us. Please don't let his death go unmentioned. Thanks. — Maile (talk) 20:34, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

What was his user account name? Jay 💬 05:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Юрий Владимирович Л. (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Ymblanter (talk) 07:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedian yes, but it was 7 minor edits over 8 years. Jay 💬 07:50, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

His main activity was in the Russian Wikipedia. Ymblanter (talk) 08:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Special:CentralAuth/Юрий Владимирович Л. says 85K edits at ruwiki. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Also a former arb there. Ymblanter (talk) 20:49, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Suitable only for the ru Wikipedia, and the entry exists - ru:Википедия:Умершие участники#2024. Jay 💬 04:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Guidelines

Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati's death is tragic, but I'm curious why he's included here? It looks like his only edits were to create multiple accounts to write about himself. That doesn't strike me as being a "Wikipedian". Is there a typical threshold? If a notable person makes one promotional edit, do we include them? — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 21:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians/Guidelines says Criteria for placement on the Deceased Wikipedian page has not been discussed, although by common sense listed users should have been active enough to be considered part of the community. This is from the original creation of the page in 2009. More specific guidance is unlikely to be forthcoming.

I suspect that some editors find it distasteful to remove an entry, even if they think it shouldn't have been created in the first place, so once an entry has been created, there may be resistance to removing it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Agree with Rhododendrites. I went ahead and removed Bhati's entry. I read the to be considered part of the community as being part of the community in a constructive, not disruptive way. -- Deeday-UK (talk) 13:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Hanif Al Husaini

Hanif Al Husaini passed away on May 27th, 2024 (announcement). His account has been globally locked. dwadieff ✉ 03:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Confronting user pages of deceased Wikipedians

This is not really a question or a request per se. It is rather just me sharing something that hit me some melancholy kind of way. I was checking for double redirects after moving Mîna Urgan, and one of the links that came up was User:Nedim Ardoğa/Articles, who was responsible for the creation of this article, and I wanted to leave a message on their talk page, only to discover that their account was locked with a note saying (Deceased user). I will be honest, that hit me like a brick for no reason whatsoever.

And so, I shall be raising a glass to all past and passed individuals who have helped further and preserve human knowledge, whether on the WMF projects, or elsewhere. I hope you will join me in your own ways, and I am grateful that some type of memorialisation of each and every Wikipedian is being done. –Konanen (talk) 22:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, happens to me as well Jay 💬 02:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Abd

It has been reported that Abd has died. They were part of the community but later banned so I don't know whether they should be listed here or not. Thryduulf (talk) 20:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Regardless of the ban history, in terms of breakup, of the 14,000 edits (years 2007-2010), half of them were in the talk and user talk namespace, and 2,000 were in the article namespace. Jay 💬 10:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Not just site banned, Thryduulf, but the full English: topic bans, blocks, community ban, San Fran Ban, up to and including barred from the WMF's own floorspace! And he was in the middle of suing them when he died, IIRC. All pretty specialist; the guy clearly had resilience. More seriously, since his user page still wears those banned templates, would it be possible—as a matter of taste and goodwill—to remove and replace them with {{deceased Wikipedian}}? ——Serial Number 54129 12:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Taste and goodwill are almost never a bad idea. We, as a community, spend too much time not making amends. Jclemens (talk) 17:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not certain this is the right thing to do. It may be appropriate to add the usual template (it's full-protected, so it will require an admin), but it might also be appropriate to do exactly what the template says: "Their user page is preserved", rather than "We hid stuff that shows how many problems we had with him, and which someone might need to know to understand how this relationship worked out".

On further thought, maybe the quietest thing is also the most tasteful: Manually add Category:Deceased Wikipedians to the user page and leave the rest alone. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

I've added that category as it is factual and relevant. This is explicitly without prejudice to anything else. Separately, I'm going to ask ca@ whether they would have any objection to removing the global ban template if we decide to restore their userpage or something like that (I don't have a strong opinion whether we should or not). Thryduulf (talk) 09:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

I've just heard back from T&S who say We have no objection to whatever decision the community takes. Which means there is no barrier to us restoring their userpage and/or placing the deceased Wikipedian template if we wish to. Thryduulf (talk) 09:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

ThNks Thryduulf, good work. I've undone the talk page redirect and left the template, but the user page noties are the more important so I've left them for further discussion (if you think any is necessary now). Cheers, ——Serial Number 54129 09:49, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

“Category:Deceased Wikipedians” is not visible in mobile view (~60% of readers?) ...

P.S. Abd, I don’t know much about you, but yes, this world, especially this Wikipedia, is full of bullying and unfairness. I hope you can R.I.P. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 08:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

We'd need documentation, but Abd was certainly a Wikipedian. I don't think we have any guidelines in place about bans/blocks/kitchen sinks precluding admission to this list, and I'd argue we should include even some of the most notorious Wikipedians on the list. This isn't our Hall of Fame, and Abd is part of wikihistory. If nothing else it could provide some people a bit of closure. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 13:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Looks like someone updated Abd's RationalWiki entry with this. (for the avoidance of doubt, Abd disclosed his real name on his user page). — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 13:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@Rhododendrites: that obituary link is 404ing for me. – dudhhr ^talk_contribs^she_her 17:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Hmmm. Here's another. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 17:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

User:Iryna Harpy

was sick when last heard from, four years ago. I miss her. Jim.henderson (talk) 19:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Do you have any specific news? If not, then Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians would be more appropriate. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I had no idea it exists. Jim.henderson (talk) 20:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)