Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airlines/Defunct airlines task force/Archive 1

Archive 1

Greetings!

Greetings! I saw your message on the WikiProject Airports project talk page. This project seems like a good idea, if you can get enough participants to stay active anyway. The only thing I was thinking is that you might be more successful as a subproject, task force, or whatever you prefer to call it, working underneath WikiProject Airlines. This would be similar to how WikiProject Adelaide is now under WikiProject Australia. Good luck! thadius856_{talk|airports|neutrality} 18:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your input, Thadius! If enough people want me to turn this into a subproject of WikiProject Airlines I would totally have no problem with that. Thanks so much for your support, and I am always interested if you have any other suggestions or comments! -Jondude11 01:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Interested in Joining

I am interested in joining this project. If you need the help feel free to contact me via my talk page. Marcusmax 20:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm offering my help. I've been expanding a few defunct airline articles when I have the time. The one I've added the most to is Pacific Air Lines. I live in California, and I'm pushing 50, so I've been specializing in defunct Western U.S. regional airlines from the 1940s to 1960s. I also try to expand existing articles on airliner crashes, and have some crashes that aren't represented at all yet that I'm hoping to start articles for, eventually. My main frustration is finding photographs or artwork that I can use to add some visual appeal to civilian aviation articles that are either public domain or fall under Fair Use. The folks doing U.S. military articles have it easy, since the Dept of Defense photographs are public domain. - Itsfullofstars 22:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Aviation proposal

There is currently a proposal to create an Aviation WikiProject, which would serve to clarify how all the aviation related projects relate, and help with interproject editing. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aircraft#Proposal_Recap for how the projects hierarchy. Part of the reorganization proposes that WikiProject Defunct Airlines become a task force of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Airlines (or perhaps the Aviation Project itself). For an idea of how task forces work, take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history. They have a number of task forces, listed here. As described by them, "task forces are informal groups of editors gathered for collaborative work on a particular topic within the field of military history; all project members are encouraged to participate in any that interest them." The benefit of such a system it that the sub-topics have all the resources of the overall project at their disposal. For instance, the Military history project banner, is placed on every military history page, and the related task forces are listed at the bottom of it. All military history related articles are thereby joined under one roof. I just happened to stumble upon your project, and had until now never realized it existed. By joining forces with another project you will benefit from increased exposure. If you have any ideas or comments, please join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 20:55, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Coordination for improved productivity

Could everyone have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Aviation Project Coordinator Proposal, and make any comments there. This is an idea that the Military History project uses, and their production of high quality articles far exceeds ours. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 23:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Cool Project!

I came across this project, and cannot resist contributing! I have started a trio of articles on Air New Orleans, L'Express Airlines, and Tennessee Airways. Look forward to adding more in the future. Patriarca12 02:32, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Project Maintenance

There is now a new page, Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Maintenance, that lists backlogged areas needing work, articles not covered under the assessment, etc. It is automatically updated by a bot daily. If your looking for something to do, check it out. If there is anything that you would like to see covered, let me know. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 23:58, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme

As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.

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Please leave a message with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Wikipedia 1.0 scheme! For the 1.0 Editorial Team, §hepBot (Disable) 21:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation#New C-class rating and another update to the project banner for our projects changes with the new class. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 22:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Article creation assistance

There's a new template Template:WPAVIATION creator that can be used to assist in creating new articles. It will start things off by creating a page with all the standard information/headers/infoboxes, etc. You just have to fill in the blanks and save. It's still in the early design stages, so check it out and let me know how it can be improved. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 22:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

3000 photos now available

For sometime there have been available some 3000 photos from a photographer in Switzerland who has a wealth of photos, especially from the 1970s-1980s of aviation in Europe and the US (and elsewhere). He has licenced them all under GFDL. I have uploaded several dozen over time, and they can be found at Commons:Category:Photos by Eduard Marmet. All available photos can be found at http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?photographersearch=Eduard%20Marmet. Only Eduard Marmet's photos are able to be uploaded. If uploading, do so to Commons only and use this template Commons:Template:EduardMarmet. Using this template will add the necessary OTRS permissions and will also place the photos in Eduards commons category. If uploading, be sure to remove the airliners.net banner from the bottom, etc also. Bookmark those link, and make use of them, as they are available and there is a wealth of photos there for all aviation topics. Any questions, contact me on my talk page as I may not see discussion here. --Russavia ^Dialogue 13:55, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Milestone Announcements

All WikiProjects are invited to have their "milestone-reached" announcements automatically placed onto Wikipedia's announcements page. Milestones could include the number of FAs, GAs or articles covered by the project. No work need be done by the project themselves; they just need to provide some details when they sign up. A bot will do all of the hard work. Click here for more information or to sign your project up.

I thought this WikiProject might be interested. Ping me with any specific queries or leave them on the page linked to above. Thanks! - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 21:48, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Pan American World Airways, a featured article, needs more refs

Pan American World Airways was promoted as a featured article in 2005. Now, it needs more references. Otherwise it could lose its FA status. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:23, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Duplicate cats?

Is there a reason for both Category:Defunct Airlines articles by quality and Category:Defunct airlines articles by quality to exist? --Pascal⁶⁶⁶ 19:03, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Project participation

There is a discussion and poll about project participation going on here. Please take a look and share your opinions. - Trevor MacInnis ^contribs 22:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Aviation contest

As many of you are aware from the invitations I sent out, there is a new contest starting in the Aviation project. If I somehow missed you, check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Contest. I created this contest for, what is provisionally titled The Peter M. Bowers International Award For Meritorious Service in the Pursuit of Aviation Knowledge or PeMBoInAwMeSPAK, with the aim to motivate increased quality in aviation articles and improve participation in the Aviation WikiProject by offering a form of friendly competition for project members. We already have 20 members signed up, if you would like to take part you can sign up here, read up on the rules here, and discuss the contest here. The first round of the competition will start soon; if you can't take part, come out and help the competitors by assisting in their peer reviews, article promotions, etc. Hope to see you there! - Trevor MacInnis ^contribs 19:01, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot announcement

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Don Kendell

I've added Don Kendell, the former chairman of Kendell Airlines as an article you may be interested in. Hope that helps! Wikiwoohoo (talk) 21:07, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Air Fecteau tagged for notability

Article is in poor shape and may be nominated for deletion. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:21, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Air Brasd'or (small Canadian regional airline from the 1980s)

The Air Bras d'or article has been nominated for deletion. As a defunct small airline from pre-Internet days, there's not much about the airline on the web. If anyone has any reliable sources for the article, that would be great.

Your comments (pro or con) at the Afd are invited. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:25, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Help needed: still more endangered articles on small airlines in Canada and elsewhere

It all started with a new entry on the WikiProject Deletion sorting/Canada list, Articles for deletion/Air Brasd'or. I started digging into figuring out if it could be saved and noticed some patterns common to it and some other aviation articles such as Air Fecteau

I think the same person with weak English skills and an interest in the airline industry has been trying to create articles on defunct, small North American carriers using several accounts. I don't think this person understands our rules on things like verifiability, notability and, of course, sock-puppetry. At the same time, I think this person is well-intended and these little carriers are notable but hard to verify (because they went under before the advent of the Internet so media articles are not available on the Internet). I think with further work finding sources plus some coaching for the editor, some of these articles have potential, as does the editor. For more info, see:

• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airlines/Archive 5#Large amount of hoax edits on small/defunct airlines
• Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Floribert Piña
• User talk:ClobberDogy#Welcome

Normally I look askance at things like sockpuppetry, but from reading the communications, I think this person has been genuinely befuddled by our processes. (For instance, deletions: do remove the tag to dispute a "PROD" but never, ever remove the tag to dispute an "AfD" or a "CSD". For a brand new editor getting multiple articles deleted using multiple processes, this protocol must seem pretty obscure, especially when your English is weak.)

Current AfDs underway:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Estrellas del Aire
  • Estrellas del Aire
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alcon Servicios Aereos, S.A. de C.V.
  • Alcon Servicios Aereos, S.A. de C.V.
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Air Brasd'or
  • Air Bras d'or (note the difference in spelling from that of the AfD

If you can find references to allow saving these articles, please do so. In any event, please comment as to which one you think should be saved or deleted.

I recovered the following deleted articles and put them in their respective users' user space:

• User:Brandon Steven Piña Sanchez/GATSA
• User:Brandon Steven Piña Sanchez/GPM Aeroservicio
• User:ClobberDogy/Bancjet Systems
• User:ClobberDogy/Vacationair
• User:Floribert Piña/Astoria (airline)
• User:Floribert Piña/Facts Air
• User:Floribert Piña/Hawk De Mexico
• User:Floribert Piña/Holidair
• User:Floribert Piña/Regal Air

Feel free to edit and improve these.

Other articles needing help with notability (some were created by others):

• Air Fecteau
• Connect Air
• Air Gaspé
• First Nations Transportation
• 611897 Alberta Limited

I believe even the smallest carriers are inevitably notable if you dig hard enough for reliable sources, however it takes more than my opinion to make an article eligible for inclusion here. Is there aviation industry stuff you use that's out there that I'm overlooking (I rely primarily on Google web and News Archive searches)? Is there print material I'm likely to find at my library? --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:53, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Defunct Airlines articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release

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We would like to ask you to review the Defunct Airlines articles and revisionIDs we have chosen. Selected articles are marked with a diamond symbol (♦) to the right of each article, and this symbol links to the selected version of each article. If you believe we have included or excluded articles inappropriately, please contact us at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8 with the details. You may wish to look at your WikiProject's articles with cleanup tags and try to improve any that need work; if you do, please give us the new revisionID at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8. We would like to complete this consultation period by midnight UTC on Monday, October 11th.

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Invitation to participate!

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Commons Aviation Wikiproject

Several editors have decided to start a Commons Aviation WikiProject which is going to be devoted to aviation-related content on Commons; Commons:Commons:WikiProject_Aviation. Some of the main tasks for the project include maintaining and sorting aviation content, as well as working on obtaining permission from photographers to upload their photos to Commons, in addition to working on introducing photographers to Commons to get them to upload photos directly to Commons. There is a discussion at Commons:Commons_talk:WikiProject_Aviation at which we are trying to ascertain what the needs of the community-at-large are, so please feel free to join in the discussion. Also, if there are any project members who are willing to do some translation work for us that would be great. See Commons:Commons_talk:WikiProject_Aviation#Translations for more info. Also, anyone with scripting knowledge would be welcome, as there are some ideas which would require such expertise. Look forward to hearing from project members over on Commons with any ideas, etc. Please feel free to translate this message as needed. Cheers, Y u no be Russavia ^{ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)} 14:21, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Convert this project to a task force?

Hello, I would like to convert this project to a task force of the Airlines WikiProject in order to better encourage participation in this project. Getting rid of this project entirely and merging with the Airlines WikiProject isn't really something that we would want to do. Since this is already a child project of WP:Airlines, it only makes sense to convert it to a task force. Thoughts? —Compdude¹²³ 20:56, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Agree, it would get better visability as part of an active project. MilborneOne (talk) 21:20, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with this change. It seems somewhat minor to me. Would the name need to changed or modified for it to be a task force? (I doubt, bu am asking to be sure.) -Fnlayson (talk) 23:42, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes the name would be need to changed. The engines task force is actually a subpage of its parent project WikiProject Aircraft, so this would follow suit. There is an instruction page on how to convert projects to task forces. —Compdude¹²³ 01:02, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I think that shifting it across to being a taskforce is justified; it is already a child project so it won't be an earthshattering change. Kyteto (talk) 00:38, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm for the change.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 23:32, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

• Since there's consensus so far, I am going to go ahead with the change. —Compdude¹²³ 19:06, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

PROD Robertson Air Service as misnaming of Robertson Aircraft Corporation.

I have proposed Robertson Air Service for deletion, because it appears to be a misnaming of Robertson Aircraft Corporation (RAC). RAC did provide airline service between the listed cities during the claimed time period, but this is already covered in its article. I can't find any evidence that Robertson ever flew any operations under the name "Robertson Air Service". The only matches I get on that name for this area and time frame all originate from the Robertson Air Service article. --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 21:20, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Why not simply moving the page better creating a redirect instead of PRODing?--Jetstreamer ^Talk 23:59, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I thought about a redirect, but when the name in question hasn't ever actually been used for the entity by any writer (discounting our own goof), it seems like a bad idea. (The closest I can find is this, but since that's from 1938, it seems to refer to the slightly later Robertson Air Lines, not the company described here, which had already disappeared within American Airlines by this time. Also note that several book hits for "Robertson Air Service" actually come from the Wikipedia article, thanks to recent books automatically generated from Wikipedia articles.) Furthermore, there was a fairly important aerial topdressing company named Robertson Air Service in New Zealand, so I think the name should be reserved for that. (The name is also currently being used by an air conditioning service company in North Carolina.) --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 17:16, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Expert attention

This is a notice about Category:Defunct Airlines articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock (talk) 16:26, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

multiple lists of defunct US airlines

Consider:

• There is long-standing list-article, List of defunct airlines of the United States, created 27 June 2008.
• There is List of defunct airlines of United States created 19 August 2015. This is in tabular form, which adds value. There is some merit to this. But shouldn't this be composed in draft-space and then be proposed as a replacement to copy into the other one? It seems wrong for both of them to be in mainspace.
• Now there is brand new List of defunct airlines of the United States Of America, a copy?, created 19 September 2015. What is going on?

Pinging several editors who have edited at one or more of these: ONUnicorn, Alvorado, Tassedethe, Northamerica1000, RadioKAOS.

Editor Alvorado, especially, can you please explain what is going on? Wikipedia cannot have multiple articles about the same topic. --doncram 04:47, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Popular pages report

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• The pageview data includes both desktop and mobile data.
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We're grateful to Mr.Z-man for his original Mr.Z-bot, and we wish his bot a happy robot retirement. Just as before, we hope the popular pages reports will aid you in understanding the reach of WikiProject Airlines, and what articles may be deserving of more attention. If you have any questions or concerns please contact us at m:User talk:Community Tech bot.

Warm regards, the Community Tech Team 17:15, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Defunct airlines AFDs

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AB Aerotransport
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greenair
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Venus Airlines
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quikjet Airlines
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Finnaviation

--Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 19:40, 11 February 2019 (UTC)