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Truce terms

Hi. I'm trying to write an article on this subject (words used by children to get a temporary respite in a game) and would be very obliged for any information from Ireland on this. Personal memories are a starting point but sources would be even better! Many thanks. Fainites ^barleyscribs 13:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

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Portadown

Make Portadown the Capital of Northern Ireland. And Make James Trouton the 1st Minister

James Trouton was ere! xD —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.96.5 (talk) 16:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Political Colours

SDLP	S.F.

With an election coming, is it worth looking at party colours. In tables SF are dark green and SDLP are light green, is this a subjective commentary by the WP community on the greeness of the policies of the parties? Fasach Nua (talk) 17:42, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

"Northen Irish" vs "Northern Ireland" vs "from Northern Ireland"

A question came up at Wikipedia:Peer review/James Nesbitt/archive2 about whether a person should be referred to "a Northern Irish [person]" in the lead. My own personal choice is to adopt whatever description the subject of the article gives to themself and reserve "from Northern Ireland" for articles where it isn't clear whether the person considers themself Northern Irish, Irish or British. However, I have seen some sources (books, newspapers, etc) refer to people as "a Northern Ireland [person]". Does this Wikiproject have a clear line on this matter or is it as hazy as it is offline? :-) Thanks. Bradley0110 (talk) 15:03, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I tend to go down the line of "from Northern Ireland".--Vintagekits (talk) 15:25, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I believe "from Northern Ireland]] to be best. Northern Irish isn't really a nationality, and putting in British or Irish is usually putting an opinion on it except where there is a definitive source for it (which is very rare actually.) Canterbury Tail talk 15:40, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

IMHO, they should be called British. Anyways, I think it's left up to the Northern Ireland resident individual. I know Northen Irish is a no-go. GoodDay (talk) 15:47, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Eleventh night article

Recently started this article. Any help from anyone who knows about the history of the night, can provide more, reliable sources, etc., would be appreciated.

Thanks --Recipe For Hate (talk) 00:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Poll on Ireland article names

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The Troubles in Pomeroy

I stay away from ethic conflict articles because of all the nutters, however this popped up before my eyes as being created this morning - we don't have those individuals articles like this do we? --Cameron Scott (talk) 11:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

If you mean "Troubles in..." articles, my word yes. Category:The Troubles in County Tyrone for just a few! WP:MEMORIAL comes to mind. Fribbler (talk) 11:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

You originally merged the article to the town article, which seems the most prudent course of action when only two incidents qualify for inclusion. O Fenian (talk) 16:20, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:List of UNESCO World Heritage Sites in the United Kingdom#Lead image

I'm currently expanding the article on List of UNESCO World Heritage Sites in the United Kingdom and am pondering what should be used as the lead image(s). It's not the most important issue in developing the article, but I thought that as the list includes Northern Ireland that editors here may be interested (Northern Ireland's sole WHS is Giant's Causeway although Mount Stewart has been proposed). I've left a note at the England and Scotland wikiprojects and the Welsh wikipedians' noticeboard to see if the discussion goes anywhere. Please leave any comments on the article talk page. Thanks, Nev1 (talk) 23:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

WP:MEMORIAL and victims of Troubles atrocities

Any input to this discussion would be helpful. There appears to be an inconsistency in that the names of victims of some atrocities are being removed form articles under the guise of WP:MEMORIAL, but not others. Consistency and clarity about the scope of WP:Memorial would be desirable. Mooretwin (talk) 09:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

For the third time this week I think you need to read WP:CANVASS. I have no problem with you leaving a messege here for the good folk to read - but the tone and language of the messege is biased and breaches the above policy. Thats three times this week now!--Vintagekits (talk) 09:25, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Well at least it an all Ireland canvass. --Domer48_'fenian' 19:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Place for a picture?

Could anyone suggest an article which would benefit from this photograph? It is from my family photo album and is from the summer of 1970, featuring a street off the Shankill Road. A nice historical piece. Fribbler (talk) 19:49, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Use of ROI national flag to represent Provisional IRA

Discussion here. Mooretwin (talk) 20:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

NI articles missing geographical coordinates

332 articles about geographically locatable subjects in Northern Ireland are missing geographical coordinates. Finding the latitude and longitude of locations, and entering coordinates into articles is straightforwards, and explained at Wikipedia:How to add geocodes to articles. Having coordinates on articles using the {{coord}} template provides a link to the article's subject on a wide range of maps, and that links to the articles are provided in GoogleMaps, MultiMap and other such places which use wikipedia data. A breakdown of articles needing coordinates by region and in some cases local authority area is found at Category talk:Northern Ireland articles missing geocoordinate data. All help in geo-coording them is welcome/urged/implored. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Ulster Defence Regiment - RfC

There is a request for comments on Talk:Ulster Defence Regiment following a dispute about the "Background" paragraph. Additional input is requested. Thank you. Mooretwin (talk) 23:06, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Opening of discussion for a possible semi-protection of Derry and County Londonderry

Join the discussion at Talk:Derry#Opening of discussion for semi-protection of both city and county page. --Footyfanatic3000 ^{(talk  · contribs)} 19:17, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

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Martin McGuinness dispute

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Succession of Assembly seats

On a lot (potentially all) MLAs and ex-MLAs pages, there is a box indicating who they were preceded by or succeeded by, in those instances whereby multiple seats in the same constituency become vacant, how do you tell which seat passed to/from whom? Fasach Nua (talk) 14:34, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Infobox UK place: distances

I would like to draw the attention of the WikiProject to the ongoing discussion at Template talk:Infobox UK place#Dublin. In summary: {{Infobox UK place}} has the following four fields - |dublin_distance=, |dublin_distance_mi=, |dublin_distance_km=, and |dublin_direction= - should these be kept, or removed? --Redrose64 (talk) 14:32, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Info box on NI towns - revert to previous info box/new UK and Ireland one?

There is discussion taking place at {{infobox UK place}} concerning a "distance to Dublin" field that was added last year to that template. While "distance to Dublin" is quite a silly issue, it has brought to a head some questions around that template. Some participants have suggested that a single Ireland template would be more suitable for towns in Northern Ireland.

As a backgrounder, settlements on the island of Ireland originally had a single infobox ({{Infobox Irish Place}}). The UK info box was developed in 2007 and began replacing the Irish place names info box on articles in mid 2007. Issues were raised then concerning the template. Specifically its visual appearance, over complexity and redundancy on some issues with respect to towns in Northern Ireland. It has also been criticised for focusing too greatly on local/national government administration and services to the detriment of other more "humane" issues.

Is there support to revert to the original template for Northern Ireland articles? In my opinion it better serves the needs of articles the towns in question. For a comparison see: Strabane and Letterkenny for example.

(The template still contains the relevent Northern Ireland specific fields.)

Another suggestion which has been made is to have a single UK and Ireland info box (which I also support, if there was substantial reworking of the current UK one). --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid (coṁrá) 13:18, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

I must admit that I've always preferred the look of the UK box, but that's just personal aesthetic preference. I think perhaps one of the main reasons is that it encourages the inclusion of an image of the settlement, though I also think the maps are more helpful. In any case, if the two were to be merged (which I do think is a good idea), it should be just that, a merger, not one supplanting the other. There would be many difficulties (the population field comes to mind, where the Irish census has populations for environs, but the UK census has statistical areas that are pretty much unintelligible and often exclude parts of what most of us would consider the town, whilst including other locations that are outside), but with a bit of work we should be able to overcome those difficulties. Skinsmoke (talk) 14:07, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

BTW, the {{Infobox Place Ireland}} (correct title without redirect) now contains a "static_image" feature, added recently. ww2censor (talk) 14:15, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Ran through a list of the changes necessary to do to have a single infobox. I take Skinsmoke's comments on board but I think now it would be effectively very little. An agree look and feel, I think, would be more of a sticking point. Someone commented on the UK infbox talk about having a nice feel like on the French wiki (compare fr:Strabane and fr:Letterkenny). Maybe a whole new look for both would make for a good fresh start? --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid (coṁrá) 15:10, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Lurgan GA nominee

Hi. I've nominated Lurgan for Good Article. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 01:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Strabane

Just a heads up, we seem to be having an IP effort to remove the town of Strabane from Northern Ireland and remove detail from the lead. It seems some editors have decided to continually remove references to the country the town is in from the article lead, and replace them all with just north-west Ireland (as in the island.) Just a heads up so some people can keep a watch on it. Canterbury Tail talk 13:11, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I suggest root of the problem lies in the choice of the word "country" in the infobox, which may be suitable for ENG/SCO/WAL but not for NI.

Strabane is verifiably in Ireland. Indeed, reliable sources will even inform you that it is in the country of Ireland. --RA (talk) 08:19, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

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Councils vs Places

UK Local Authorities are inherently notable. Yet many council names are currently redirects to articles about places; which are not the same thing at all. I feel we should do the same for all authorities which don't at the moment have their own articles. For example, I recently split Walsall Metropolitan Borough Council out from Metropolitan Borough of Walsall. I started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom#Councils vs Places; what are your thoughts? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 11:47, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles in need of grading and assessment

I've recently rewritten and upgraded the entire Larne gun-running article which had failed many Wiki guidelines and would like someone to independantly assess and class the article please. The article i believe meets many Wiki guidelines though does still have a issue as stated by me on its discussion page. Northern Star ^(talk) 00:02, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

I've also created the following article Kilcronaghan and would like it assessed please? I think it may deserve a B rating on quality though undoubtedly a low-rating in importance. I would request these in the assessment area but it seems to be dead with nothing new for years. Mabuska ^(talk) 17:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

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I've proposed this article for deletion and would like input as the article is part of this project. Mabuska ^(talk) 14:21, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Northern Irish Placenames proposal

I've recently put forward a proposal on the use of Irish in the ledes of Northern Ireland settlements to address a few issues. It can be found here. Please read and vote/discuss on what you believe should be done. Mabuska ^(talk) 23:11, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Northern Ireland County Navboxes

A discussion on the navboxes for Northern Ireland counties is taking place here. Mabuska ^(talk) 20:37, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

How to list buildings in Northern Ireland?

I am working on a series of lists of Grade A listed buildings in Northern Ireland, which will stand alongside similar lists for England and Wales and ongoing work for Scotland (example). I have pulled the data off the NIEA "Northern Ireland Buildings Database" [1] and compiled some draft lists, see here. The Database lists buildings by local authority, and usually gives the County. However, Wikipedia pages are categorised by County; the parent category for these lists would be Category:Buildings and structures in Northern Ireland, which is subdivided principally by County. Listing by local authority would result in a large number of very short lists (<5 entries in many cases), and potential local government reorganisation would make lists on that basis obsolete. The other option is one big list, but with around 200 entries it would be almost unmanageable.

Assuming then that Counties are the best subdivision, what to do with Belfast? I understand that the majority of Belfast is in County Antrim, but some is in County Down. Going down to the level of individual buildings, where does one draw the line between the two counties? Is it the River Lagan? Or, should Belfast be an exception, and have its own separate list based on the Belfast City Council boundary? The draft "Belfast" list is here. Some are obviously one or the other, but further guidance would be appreciated. Many thanks, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 11:37, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, I looked out an old map and worked it out, I think. The list pages are now complete: List of Grade A listed buildings in County Antrim, see navbox for the others. Regards, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 16:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Infobox Place Ireland adjustments - adding the country a county is in

A discussion has been opened here about adding the country a county belongs to into the infobox. This discussion can be found here. Mabuska ^(talk) 11:02, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Tiger's Bay expert verification requested

Could someone take a look at this article? There is an editor who has made numerous edits to it, and was requested to keep from adding their personal opinions. The article also has no references, and has pov issues. Thanks, --Funandtrvl (talk) 01:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Meet up planned: 25th September

Hey all -

A meet up of Irish Wikipedians is planned for the 25th of September. Everyone is invited. More details here...

--RA (talk) 21:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Merging Belfast wards into one article

I've just been looking at Category:Electoral wards of Belfast and most of the relevant articles seem destined to remain permastubs. Unlike in other places, say Great Britain for example where wards are electoral units in their own right, Northern Ireland wards themselves aren't used for anything other than the census. Some of the wards themselves don't really exist as areas in their own right - no one from Belfast really speaks about the "Castleview" or "Shaftesbury" areas for example, those wards being collections of smaller areas, so its difficult to see what can be written about them. Some of them seem doomed to go no further than "X is a ward in Belfast."

Conversely there are already articles about locations like Ardoyne, so it seems pointless writing a seperate article about the ward. This also applies to situations like Falls, Belfast or Shankill, Belfast which currently redirect to articles about the areas, even though the wards only contain a small portion of those areas.

The articles were all created in good faith but the original creator Tsumo9 hasn't edited since 2007. In the meantime, many articles are often targets for vandalism which can go unnoticed for months.

Many of the wards will in any event be replaced next year, further reducing the scope for expansion.

Given all this, I'd propose to merge them all together into a new Electoral wards of Belfast article. Defunct wards could be included in this or have their own article. Where areas are notable in their own right, say Andersonstown or Cherryvalley they can retain their own articles. This would allow clarification that Victoria is not a ward but a collection of wards. (Victoria, Belfast and the other district electoral areas could redirect to that.) This would allow data about the wards to be grouped together in one place allowing for easier comparison. Census data could be added as appropriate. A rough example is in my sandbox. I'd appreciate comments on this. Valenciano (talk) 20:53, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

• Agree ~Asarlaí 21:17, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

• Sounds like a reasonable proposition, which I support. Mooretwin (talk) 22:25, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

• Agree - Wards are also used for local council elections here like in the rest of the UK, for example Magherafelt District for example is divided into three regions which each contain several electoral wards - however their actual use/purpose is very vague. Wards i think should be included in the relevant local district council article etc. for posterity and any significance noted there unless they do desire their own article. Mabuska ^(talk) 23:25, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Wards in NI actually have no use or purpose. The only reason they exist is because in the early 70s when the current 26 councils were created they were intially supposed to elect councillors by first past the post and so single member wards were created with that in mind - one ward electing one councillor. However after the suspension of Stormont the UK government then decided to reintroduce single transferable vote. Rather than go through the whole process of creating new multi-member wards from scratch, they decided to use the existing wards as building blocks. That was understandable then but made no sense in 1982-1984 or 1991-1992 when they updated the ward boundaries even though the wards had no function any more. In Belfast terms, the census output areas provide all the demographic info necessary and have the advantage of usually being based on smaller, natural communities, while district electoral areas are the units for local councils. Belfast has 51 wards (soon to be 60) whereas Birmingham with four times the population only has 40. This is another reason for merging them - too many of them and a nightmare to watchlist them all. Once I've done the article and found some sources I'll start the process of redirecting them all if no one objects in the next week. Valenciano (talk) 17:01, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Cool, never knew that now. Mabuska ^(talk) 23:11, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

It's been three months, what's the craic? I fully support re-directing all these ward articles to one place, but should that place be Belfast City Council, Subdivisions of Belfast or "Electoral wards of Belfast"? ~Asarlaí 03:28, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Are they wards of Belfast City Council? "Electoral wards of Belfast" might be better as Subdivisions of Belfast can be too vague as to the kind of subdivision. Mabuska ^(talk) 22:40, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I made a start on that in my sandbox but was on holiday for a month. I'll work on it a bit more this week as I received the 1981 census figures by email. Valenciano (talk) 07:20, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I've created the article, it still needs a fair bit of work but the bare bones are there. Help expanding it would be appreciated. Valenciano (talk) 09:19, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

I've redirected the bulk of the articles to the new article. There are a few loose ends to tie up which I'm not sure where to go with. The template for the wards now seems a bit pointless and the category itself is questionable: areas of Belfast would be a better one now. Also while doing it I came across Camowen (Electoral Ward) and Colin Glen which are sure fire candidates for deletion/redirection. Valenciano (talk) 19:06, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Good work on the article. I think it would be best just to delete the category and the template. The question now is how to deal with the other non-notable stubs about wards, housing estates and/or inner-city areas of NI. I found 54 of them and I've tagged 49 for notability, as you can see in my edit history. About 35 of them are electoral wards and have been added to Category:Wards of Northern Ireland.

Thoughts? ~Asarlaí 04:15, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Proposed reform of local government in Northern Ireland cancelled, articles redundant

With the review being shelved, all articles in the Category:Proposed districts of Northern Ireland are now redundant. There'll be nothing more that can be written about them and therefore they should be merged/redirected to the main article. Anyone disagree? Valenciano (talk) 09:33, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Makes sense. There's not a lot of content in the individual district articles that isn't in the main one.Lozleader (talk) 17:12, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Agree. They should all be redirected to the main article. The table on the main article should simply note what each proposed district would have included (example: North Down and Ards = North Down plus Ards minus part of Holywood). ~Asarlaí 04:29, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

All now merged. Template:Proposed districts of Northern Ireland and Category:Proposed districts of Northern Ireland are now unnecessary. Valenciano (talk) 15:50, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Troubles in ....... Articles

I wonder if there is a need for quite so many articles giving details of The Troubles in..... in such small areas – I saw a figure of 97 such pages somewhere. Perhaps these could be merged together, for example into current council areas - 26 in total - counties – 6- or maybe a new division into areas somewhere between these sizes – eg East Tyone, South Armagh, North Armagh. As it is, Troubles in.... articles already apply to wider areas than they claim to in their titles, as the lists of deaths have been found by searching for the placenames, eg Dungannon, in each year of the Sutton register, and this results in the inclusion of incidents listed “near” Dungannon (surely quite a subjective label) , including those quite some distance away (I saw some that were 3-5 miles off the town with which they were linked

I think a summary of all the deaths noted in the Sutton register should be included – it seems to be an easy way to prevent any accusations of bias by omission being levelled at any of the articles.

In the previous discussion, it is argued that a “multiple fatalities only” rule results in Republicans being shown in a bad light. I appear to have independently formed an opposing opinion, as I saw the “Troubles in Coalisland” article only mentioned the killing of 6 (out of 7) IRA members by the British Army, failing to mention any of the 11 murders by the IRA in the area. After adding a summary of all of these on the page, I noticed something similar in the Dungannon page - see Discussion there for all my stats – and, alarmingly, only 18% of Protestant deaths are mentioned, whereas 86% of Catholic deaths are. This is in total 44 killings – similar number to those in Portadown and therefore arguably a similar reliability of these statistics. I know that this argument could continue with each of the 97 other areas, but I would rather it didn't – it took quite enough time to get those statistics for two towns!

My point is that a combination of small areas (resulting in a smaller field of data in each article), and the filtering of this data to an arbitrary threshold create articles which give the wrong impression of the conflict, with bias possible in either direction.

I tthink merging needs to take place here. “The Troubles in Tyrone” could include summary statistics, before a list of incidents, arranged by location., eg Incidents in Coalisland, Incidents in Dungannon – as to maintain some degree of local detail, and so that these sections can be accessed by links from their respective town articles. I'm sorry that this discussion must be started again, but I believe a change is needed here, and that a certain degree of work is needed on these pages. I am willing to do a lot of work myself, if a consensus can be reached on how to move forward from the current policies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdilworth771 (talk • contribs) 08:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Agree. I honestly don't see the value in articles like The Troubles in Kesh and The Troubles in Keady, it violates the spirit of WP:ONEEVENT if not the letter. Such articles should be merged to larger articles, possibly broken down by county, with Belfast having its own article. Valenciano (talk) 12:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

British Isles Meitheal

Hi all —

A while back the British Isles article underwent a peer review. Most of the suggestions coming out of it have been implemented and IMO the article is approaching GA standard. This is an article that had been dogged by POV issues and in-fighting amongst its editors so the achievement of getting it to the standard it is in admirable for all involved. However, one major sticking point is referencing, which are appallingly sparse. There is no way the article could achieve GA as it stands on account of the state of referencing.

The task of fixing it up isn't impossible. There are about 30 paragraphs that need referencing. With enough editors, we would only need to take two or thee paragraphs each to get the job done. To that end, I've set up a "meitheal" page. The idea is for anyone who is willing to help out to take a paragraph at a time and to references just that paragraph. If you can do more than one then great. Just come back and take another one.

The meitheal page is here: Talk:British Isles/Meitheal. If you're willing to help out, just dig in.

Thanks, --RA (talk) 17:34, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Reminder: Irish Wikipedian's Meet-up

Hey all -

Just a quick reminder that a meet-up of Irish Wikipedians will take place this Saturday at the Kingston Hotel in Dún Laoghaire.

More info is here. Hope to see you all there!

--— RA (talk) 07:47, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

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Fermanagh Ireland pioneers in Gold Country, California

A graveyard on a hillside at the edge of Chinese Camp california contains at least two stones memorializing former citizens of County Fermanagh, Ireland.

In gold-rush and western pioneer history, people often left families and friends far away as they headed off to make their fortunes. When they died from the extreme hardships of travel in the 1800's, or succumbed to disease, natives, outlaws, falling off a mountain or other myriad cause, folks back home certainly never got a phone call, and probably never knew of the fates of these intrepid travelers.

One marker lists at least 3 names, all of whom appear to be from the Slane family. Other details are difficult to read, but someone with even basic graphic skills could make out more. This pic is available for this page, but this editor is unaware how.

Pioneers in more primitive times were bold enough to cross seas and continents to seek a better life: why did they do it, and how, and how did they fare? This occasionally left both ends of the family tree pruned, so that one's ancestors' provenance could be in dispute. Are we from Wales or Ireland? Either way, the pioneering spirit is strong in the Celtic, and should be well celebrated.

I apologize in advance if I am violating any terms. It is only my intent to share this photo of history. File:Chinese camp grave slane family county fermagh ireland —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.144.45 (talk) 16:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Blueswoman (talk) 16:50, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Aughnacloy, County Down

Hello, my friends: A group of us are working on clearing the backlog at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources_from_October_2006. The article in the above header has been without sources for the past four years and may be removed if none are added. I wonder if you can help do so. Sincerely, and all the best to you, GeorgeLouis (talk) 18:01, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Don't know if this article meets notability criteria at the moment, however for i can provide references for it and have added them in. Mabuska ^(talk) 21:49, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposal: List of settlements by population

I've made a proposal here to change List of settlements in Northern Ireland into a table of settlements by population, similar to List of towns in the Republic of Ireland by population. Any input would be welcome.
Thanks. ~Asarlaí 14:58, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

It's been more than ten days. If there are no replies soon I'll go ahead with the change. ~Asarlaí 23:17, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Advert

Wow whoever invented that is class. Mabuska ^(talk) 21:29, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Belfast West

Hey. Just a heads up, I'm going to put this Wikiproject tag at the talk page of the newly created Belfast West by-election, 2011

Cheers, doktorb _words^deeds 21:14, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Parliamentary constituencies in Northern Ireland

Category:Parliamentary constituencies in Northern Ireland, which is under the purview of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:11, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Cookstown

This article has been tagged since March 2008 as needing additional sources.--Kudpung (talk) 00:51, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

RfM Boundary Commission

Talk:Boundary Commission (Ireland)#Requested move-->Irish Boundary Commission jnestorius^(talk) 11:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

RfM Boundary Commission

Talk:Boundary Commission (Ireland)#Requested move-->Irish Boundary Commission jnestorius^(talk) 11:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

First Minister bio infoboxes

I've deleted Elizabeth II from these infoboxes, as she's not Monarch of Northern Ireland. What's the view here, concerning my deletions? GoodDay (talk) 01:18, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

My view is that you're wrong, but for convenience, please let's everyone concentrate the discussion here.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 01:31, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Wrong, discussion ongoing on project Scotland without consensus so doubly wrong to make mass changes on information boxes for Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Pretty much par for the course for this editor however. --Snowded ^TALK 07:23, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

2011?

Please join the discussion at Talk:The Troubles in Omagh#2011? --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:55, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

AfD nomination of MV Portaferry II

The MV Portaferry II article has been nominated for deletion. Mjroots (talk) 13:54, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

RFC - Use of the Ulster Banner in Darts articles

Should Darts articles use the Ulster Banner to represent players from Northern Ireland? Discussion can be found here.

In addition to this there is a general discussion about the use of flags at the MOS which may be of interest. Find it here.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bjmullan (talk • contribs) 16:03, 19 June 2011‎ (UTC)

Feedback on "Fermanagh Orangeism"

Can anyone with some spare time leave some feedback on Fermanagh Orangeism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)? I've been kind of nudging the contributors to add more sources and that sort of thing, but it would be great if someone could leave some more detailed feedback on the current content. Larry V (talk | email) 23:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Murder of Ronan Kerr

Hello. I was looking for information on the murder of PC Ronan Kerr earlier this year and was surprised to find that there was not an article on the event (and the substantial reaction to the killing) on the Wiki. I've therefore gone and started one: Murder of Ronan Kerr. It is currently a stub - I bring it to the WikiProject's attention for potential expansion. LukeSurl ^{t c} 13:42, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Diplock courts

Would anyone interested and with time on their hands like to have a look at what might be done to the entry for Diplock Courts? I've tried to get discussion going, but no takers. It is below standard as it now is.Oxford Menace (talk) 23:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Bonfire Night (disambiguation)#Requested move

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Bonfire Night (disambiguation)#Requested move. Trevj (talk) 23:33, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Bonfire Night#Requested move

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Bonfire Night#Requested move. Trevj (talk) 23:33, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Northern Ireland boxers nationality issue

A discussion has started over the issue of nationality in regards to Northern Irish boxers. A proposal has been made and all thoughts and opinions are sought. Mabuska ^(talk) 11:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Cfd relating to renaming of subcategories of Category:Former pupils by school in Northern Ireland

There is currently a discussion, started on August 17, in Cfd relating to the renaming of categories for Northern Ireland alumni, subcategories of Category:Former pupils by school in Northern Ireland. Any contributions to the discussion would be appreciated.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjc13 (talk • contribs) 11:14, 18 August 2011‎ (UTC)

Article alerts

Wikipedia:WikiProject Northern Ireland/Article alerts has been created; generating Article alerts for this WikiProject. Timrollpickering (talk) 20:20, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Open Ireland page move discussion

After a two-year ban imposed by Arbcom, a page move discussion for the Republic of Ireland can be entertained.

• (Discuss)–Republic of Ireland →Ireland (republic) Kauffner (talk) 08:18, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Fermanagh Orangeism

It was proposed the above page should be merged with the main Orange Order page, however since this proposal in June much has been done to the page and I feel it should be allowed to remain. Can this tag be removed? Ni fact finder (talk) 22:24, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

New infobox

See here. Mabuska ^(talk) 13:14, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Northern Ireland will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in Northern Ireland's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 22:03, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Proposal to rescind Troubles restrictions

A proposal to rescind Troubles-realated restrictions has been made here. --RA (talk) 21:57, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

volunteer or terrorist

there has been a debate on calling an IRA volunteer as a Terrorist on a Volunteer here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Troubles_in_Rosslea . As i am not from the region and lack knowledge aboutt he subject , i thought of informing you here. Please check, thanks -- ÐℬigXЯaɣ 05:59, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Establishments in Northern Ireland by year

There is a proposal at Categories for Discussion to rename Category:558 establishments in Northern Ireland and Category:1856 establishments in Northern Ireland. Comments are welcome on the discussion page at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 June 2#Establishments_in_Northern_Ireland_by_year. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:58, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

split proposal

Your input welcome here: Talk:Demography_and_politics_of_Northern_Ireland#Split_proposal --KarlB (talk) 19:50, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Demography_and_politics_of_Northern_Ireland#Requested_move

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Demography_and_politics_of_Northern_Ireland#Requested_move. KarlB (talk) 19:05, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Railway station coordinates

Hello! There's a big backlog of articles about disused railway stations in Northern Ireland that need tagging with geographical coordinates, at User:The Anome/Disused and heritage UK railway stations still lacking coordinates. If anyone wants to fill these in, I'd be very grateful. There's more documentation at WP:COORD about how to do this, and the participants in that WikiProject are very helpful if you need more guidance. -- The Anome (talk) 15:21, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Amendment requested for 'The Troubles' Arbitration remedies; input welcome

Hi all,

Interested editors are invited to review and comment on a request for amendment to the discretionary sanctions remedy (R5) of the The Troubles Arbitration case.

Regards,
Daniel (talk) 04:15, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Photos of murals not allowed on Commons

Seemingly, due to some ridiculous copyright rule, photos of murals arn't allowed on the Commons. The Commons has almost 300 photos of Northern Ireland's famous murals and they appear on many Wikipedia articles. I think it would be a real loss for Wikipedia if theze wer' to be deleted.
What can we do about this? ~Asarlaí 21:30, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

If you can find murals where the painter(s) have been dead for 70 years, then we won't be infringing their copyright at least in most places. Dead for 100 years in almost all places. While there may be copyright in the photo of a mural, the copyright that we'd be infringing is that of the original artist(s). Roman Empire murals and mosaics are just fine, copyright has expired. --Bejnar (talk) 19:58, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I believe most of Northern Ireland's murals fall under graffiti and so are alllowed; this would definitely be the case with most 1970s and 1980s murals when they largely consisted of Union Jacks, paramilitary initials or a hastily-scrawled "Brits Out". As for later murals when they improved in execution (pun not intended) and quality, who exactly would own the copyright? The leaders of the paramilitary organisation of which the respective mural is representing or the actual artists who normally paint under the direction of some tattooed shaven-headed head buck cat who stands below barking orders?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:45, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Agree. These murals have been photographed and published for years in newspapers and more scholarly works (eg Rolston) without any copyright infringement issue being raised, as far as I am aware. RashersTierney (talk) 12:59, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I see they are getting trigger-happy over at Commons. One mural has already been deleted without proper discussion. I cannot wait til Commons comes a-begging for more photos of monuments. They can fuck off with their high-handed ways and ignorance.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:45, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Looks like the lawyers are taking over the asylum. RashersTierney (talk) 19:27, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

And Wikipedia will be left looking like a visual desert.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:42, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Rose Report

As no articles have links to the "Rose Report" (was that the colonial one of 1850 or the 1969 Rose Report on Colour and Citizenship?), is it really of enough importance to be listed in the banner template under tasks: History:, as an article in the need of creation? Twice the article has been created and twice it has been deleted.

• 04:05, 6 July 2011 speedy delete of page Rose Report as A1: Not enough context to identify article's subject (CSDH)
• 23:55, 10 August 2011 delete of page Rose Report as part of the mass deletion of pages added by FameRuler991

The other Rose Reports, such as those dealing with education have more presence on Wikipedia and the web:

2006 – Independent review of the teaching of early reading (Rose Report 2006)

2007 – ROSE Report, The Relevance of Science Education in Ireland. Royal Irish Academy, Dublin (2007).

2009 – Rose, Sir Jim (2009-06-22). Identifying and Teaching Children and Young People with Dyslexia and Literacy Difficulties. Department for Children, Schools and Families.

Even "The Rose Report" segment on Mancow's Morning Madhouse has more presence on Wikipedia. Then there is the "Welch-Rose Report" of 1915 dealing with public health. If you folks are serious about a Rose report article, might I suggest (1) a temporary location as a sub-page of this project until a decent page could be whipped into shape and (2) some time spent in paper-based libraries to find accurate citations to reliable sources, since there don't seem to be any such web-based ones. Meanwhile, you could answer these questions: Who commissioned the report? Who was the author? What year was it issued? Why is it important in the history of Northern Ireland? --Bejnar (talk) 18:29, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

• Please could someone answer these questions about the requested Rose Report: Who commissioned the report? Who was the author? What year was it issued? Why is it important in the history of Northern Ireland? --Bejnar (talk) 20:02, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

• It seems that the Rose Report is not significant, therefore I have removed it from the task list. --Bejnar (talk) 19:43, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Category:Gaelic games governing bodies in Northern Ireland

Category:Gaelic games governing bodies in Northern Ireland, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:12, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Template:Northern Ireland tasks

The Template:Northern Ireland tasks lists under History, articles needed for History of Armagh, History of Newry, and History of Lisburn. Now there is for each of those places a separate article on The Troubles: The Troubles in Armagh, The Troubles in Newry and The Troubles in Lisburn. And each of the articles at Armagh, Newry and Lisburn have a History section that covers the time before The Troubles. Given the above, I propose to remove the three requested articles from the template. Of course the three history sections could all use expansion, but they all have the basics down. If there is no objection, I will remove them from the listing. --Bejnar (talk) 22:24, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

There being no objection, I have removed them from the task list. --Bejnar (talk) 19:20, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Category:Constituencies of Northern Ireland

Category:Constituencies of Northern Ireland, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:08, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Derry City F.C. FAR

I have nominated Derry City F.C. for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Giants2008 (Talk) 02:27, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Proposed districts of Northern Ireland

after this discussion, the proposed districts of NI articles were redirected. however, these redirects were recently reverted (see, for example, Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Proposed districts of Northern Ireland). I do not know enough about the subject to determine if there was a good reason for reverting the redirects. Frietjes (talk) 17:57, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

The revert is fine. This section gives the background: the review was scrapped in mid 2010. At that point in time, there was agreement that keeping articles about a cancelled process was pointless and they were redirected. In June 2012, the decision to scrap the review was reversed, so the districts will most likely come into effect in April 2015... if it's scrapped again we can always restore the redirects, but for now the articles would need to be updated. When I get a bit more time off from the real world I'll see what I can do. Valenciano (talk) 18:24, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Naming of articles and categories notification - also affects IMoS Londonderry/Derry section

A discussion is underway in regards to the naming of GAA articles and categories - it can be found here.

Proposal 6 is an issue that relates to the Londonderry/Derry IMoS section that personally I wouldn't have included in this discussion as it focuses solely on the IMoS.

Mabuska ^(talk) 12:16, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Renaming of per-county GAA club navigational boxes

See Template talk:Dublin_clubs#Requested_move, where I have opened a requested moves discussion on the 35 navigational box templates in Category:Gaelic Athletic Association club navigational boxes.

These templates all fall within the scope of WikiProject Ireland and WikiProject Gaelic games, and some of them fall within the scope of WikiProject Northern Ireland. I will therefore place the same notification on each project's talk page. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:56, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Category:1900 in Northern Ireland

Category:1900 in Northern Ireland and 19 other YYYY in Northern Ireland categories, which are within the scope of this WikiProject, have been nominated for possible deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:45, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

DermO'N.jpg

file:DermO'N.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 03:51, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Category:People by city in Ireland

Category:People by city in Ireland, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for merger. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:34, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

RfC about flags

Please contribute at Talk:Flag of Northern Ireland#RfC: Should the Flag of Northern Ireland article show the flag of Ireland? if you have some thoughts on the matter. Dmcq (talk) 22:19, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Some extra contributors would be welcome as the result isn't at all clear yet. Dmcq (talk) 11:25, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject watchlist broken?

Is it only me? Thanks in advance, XOttawahitech (talk) 20:00, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Proposed Northern Ireland Wiki Meetup

A Wikimeet is proposed for Northern Ireland in the next few months. If you have never been to one, this is an opportunity to meet other Wikipedians in an informal atmosphere for Wiki and non-Wiki related chat and for beer or food if you like. Most take place on a Sunday afternoon in a suitable pub but other days and locations can also work. Experienced and new contributors are all welcome. This event is definitely not restricted just to discussion of Northern Ireland topics. Please add your suggestions for place and date to the discussion page here: Proposed Northern Ireland Wiki Meetup. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:04, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

This is a reminder to please add any views you may have to the project page linked above. Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:41, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

New article

Hi, I wondered if someone would take a look at my article 1988–94 British broadcasting voice restrictions just to check that everything is fine. It may need a less awkward title too, so feel free to move it if you have a more appropriate one. Thanks. Paul MacDermott (talk) 18:24, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Quite a good start for a new article. I'd suggest shrinking the lede in half and adding images to the article. Mabuska ^(talk) 12:13, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I've replaced it with an earlier version that was a bit shorter, but hopefully still covers the main points. I'll look for some suitable images (perhaps Gerry Adams or Broadcasting House), and maybe submit it for a copy edit. Paul MacDermott (talk) 14:24, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Article does look great now, however I'd suggest letting the actual WikiProjects decide what rating it deserves. Just because one gave it GA status doesn't mean others will, so unless they said it was GA worthy somewhere else, I'd revert those GA's you awarded your own article. Mabuska ^(talk) 11:16, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Corporal Eric Glass - 4 UDR.jpg

image:Corporal Eric Glass - 4 UDR.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:31, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

File:The Badge of the Ulster Defence Regiment.jpg

File:The Badge of the Ulster Defence Regiment.jpg has been nominated for deletion on WikiCommons -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 12:14, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

UDR&RUR

File:Cap Badge of the Ulster Defence Regiment.jpg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and File:RUR.jpg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) have been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 07:35, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Glenane.jpg

image:Glenane.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 07:14, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

The Blue Card.jpg

image:The Blue Card.jpg has been nominated for deletion - 76.65.128.222 (talk) 07:19, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

The Yellow Crad.jpg

image:The Yellow Crad.jpg has been nominated for deletion - 76.65.128.222 (talk) 07:19, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Assessments

Are any of your members actively assessing NI articles these days? James Nesbitt has recently been downgraded but as I'm not active in your project so it would be better if one of you did a reassessment. I do tag articles with your banner when I come across them but I only provide a class rating not an importance rating because my focus is on the Ireland Project assessments as a whole and not on WPNI. I notice that this anonIP, whose deletion notices are posted above, has tagged some files for your project, as he has for some other projects even those that don't assess images, when file assessment does not appear to be an important issue for this project. Only 12 file pages, out of nearly 7,000 pages, have been templated in the last 4 years when project assessments have been ongoing since 2006 and 6 of those were within the last few days. I'll happily assess some articles for you if you like. ww2censor (talk) 14:43, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Tagging files will alert ArticleAlertsBot that files fall under your project, and will be listed in the alerts autolisting when they come up for deletion under WP:FfD. It will not, however, list files coming up for deletion under other processes (such as WP:PUF, or WP:CSD); and no bot autolists to deletion sorting lists for files. Tagging files also does not mean assessment, since for most projects, files are classed as "file" and the importance assessment is not done. (same as with templates and categories, where the pages are tagged, but not assessed, no importance assessment is done on those) -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:16, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but while what you are saying is useful, I am asking the project for their opinion and activity on assessments in general and files in particular. ww2censor (talk) 08:07, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

True, and what I'm saying is that tagging files with the banner is not the same as assessing files for the project. Assessment (usually, especially in edit comments) means rating the file for importance, while tagging the file does not require assessment (does not require |importance= being set), WP:BANNERMETA treats File:/Category:/Template:/WP: pages as not needing importance assessment, and will auto-set file/category/template/project class rating, usually -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 01:26, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I know what you are saying but I have been around assessments and project banners long enough to know what they do and don't do, what is useful and what is not. However, placing project banners without ratings causes unassessed items to appear in the project's assessment tables where about 25% of all items are unassessed making, in my opinion, the assessment table less than useful. ww2censor (talk) 13:03, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

New contributor

I'm not a new editor and some of you may already know me but I've been a kind of solitary figure, editing alone most of the time. I'm just dropping this note in to let you know that I'm getting more aware of boards like this and I may get involved in other projects in the future. SonofSetanta (talk) 13:07, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Please help get Northern Ireland ready for the start of the Wiki Loves Monuments competition on 1st September

This September the UK is taking part for the first time in the international photography competition Wiki Loves Monuments. Participants will be invited to submit pictures of listed buildings of significant importance (grades A or grade B+), as recorded by the Northern Ireland Environment Agency. The main external website for competitors can be found here, and you can leave a message there if you have queries about competing. Do please join in, and let people in your local area know of this excellent way in which both existing and new Wiki users can help improve the encyclopaedia by contributing photographs of local listed structures. What about organizing a local Wikimeet to attract new people?

In preparation for the start of the competition on 1st September there is still quite a lot of work to do, and we would like to ask for the help of members of this wikiproject. Your local and expert knowledge will be invaluable in ensuring that the lists of eligible buildings are up to date and correctly formatted. If you look at Listed buildings in the United Kingdom you will see how many structures are included. If you then follow the link to Listed buildings in Northern Ireland, you can get to the detailed lists for your area. Alternatively have a look at the WLM planning table. Can you help to ensure that the lists for your area are up to date and well presented?

Some of the lists have been semi-automatically generated from data provided by NIEA. These use pre formatted templates (eg NIEA header) which will make it much easier for competition participants to upload their photographs to Commons as an automated process. Please don't change the template structure, as we need to ensure that the templates are properly compatible with the WLM standards that are in use worldwide. The format will allow a bot automatically to collect the information and to put it into the international Monuments Database.

The data still needs the attention of local editors:

• The "title" may need wikilinking to a suitable article name (whether we currently have that article or not). If there are several buildings in one street all of the wikilinks point at an article about the street; however each entry has a separate line in the list.
• The "location" column looks and sorts better if just the parish or town is included (& wikilinked).
• The "date completed" column sometimes has eg "C19" for 19th century, and "C1850" for c. 1850 when the date is uncertain - these need to be corrected manually.
• The "grid ref & lat & long" (which is occasionally missing) may be given to 8 characters — only 6 (grid ref) or 5 (lat & long) are really needed.
• Clicking on the "list entry number" should take you to the data sheet for that entry on the NIEA database which can be checked if needed for details.
• The image column should have a picture added if we already have a suitable image on Commons. (N.B. if you are going to be taking photos yourself for inclusion in the competition don't upload them until September)
• References may be added according to normal WP practice.

For further information, please see Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 in the United Kingdom.

If you have any queries, please post them not below but on the Organizers' help page on Commons.

Anything you can do to help improve these lists will be much appreciated. The final deadline for cleaning up is 31st August..

--MichaelMaggs (talk) 12:08, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Help on Categorization

Hi, can any other editor provide an opinion on whether the category "Northern Ireland cheeses" is applicable on Fivemiletown Creamery please? I started a discussion with User talk:Jerry Pepsi on his reasons for removal, but we have different opinions. Any help appreciated. Thank you. -- HighKing⁺⁺ 15:03, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Historic county for Clady

Hi folks, I've been wandering around various articles but am not finding an answer that might resolve a link. There is a large-ish quote from a primary source at the Co. Londonderry article but it baffles me. Was Clady, County Londonderry ever in County Antrim or is there another place called Clady that was thus? - Sitush (talk) 13:42, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Although Clady is close to the county border between County Londonderry and County Antrim, I am not aware that county boundaries have changed since Northern Ireland came into existence. Gavin Lisburn (talk) 01:37, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Argh, there is always a fly in the ointment. Thanks for the info but I should have mentioned to which article this query related. It is Robert Caldwell, who was born quite some time ago. The source definitely says County Antrim but there are bits of it that border on hagiography, so I need to be careful. - Sitush (talk) 06:12, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Template talk:Europe topic

Some input is desperately needed on here just now.--MacRùsgail (talk) 12:04, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Andrew wilson

Dear editors: Here is an old abandoned Afc submission that will soon be deleted as a stale draft. Is this a notable politician, and should the draft be kept and improved instead? —Anne Delong (talk) 16:42, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Disappeared (Northern Ireland)

I have just started a new article on Disappeared (Northern Ireland), which might be of interest to this WikiProject. GiantSnowman 18:42, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress on 1981 Irish hunger strike

A discussion is taking place in whether the article currently entitled 1981 Irish hunger strike should be renamed.

The discussion is at Talk:1981 Irish hunger strike#Requested_move, where your input will be welcome. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:25, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

GA article being reassessed: Belfast

Belfast was reviewed and listed as a Good Article in March 2007, and last reassessed in Sept 2007. It has been tagged with sourcing concerns since August 2008. I have done a GAR, and I feel that the article doesn't meet current GA criteria. The main contributors have been notified, though are unavailable or not able to do the work at the moment, and there has been no progress. Following the guidelines at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment, interested WikiProjects are being contacted as editing assistance may be needed to prevent the article being delisted. See Talk:Belfast/GA1 for more details. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 21:58, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

RfC on Ian Gow

Please direct your attention to Talk:Ian_Gow#The_fully-protected_car_.28or_its_absence.29, where the question is whether the make of Ian Gow's car (the one he got blown up in) is relevant enough to warrant inclusion in the article. There's an ongoing dispute, going on for over three years, and an RfC (that is, you) might could help settle that. Thanks in advance, Drmies (talk) 14:47, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2014

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Railway stations without coordinates

Just in case there are any railway enthusiasts here, I thought I'd let you know that there are a still quite a few articles about railway stations in Northern Ireland that are still lacking coordinate data. Please see User:The Anome/Disused and heritage UK railway stations still lacking coordinates#Northern Ireland for a list. -- The Anome (talk) 12:43, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

People from Northern Ireland vs Northern Irish people categories

This issue has come up at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 October 2#Category:Poets from Northern Ireland. Timrollpickering (talk) 11:55, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Designated Nationalist, Designated Other and Designated Unionist

I have noticed these three articles discusses terms that are purely creation of law and are highly identical in nature. Hence I propose to merge them into single new article tentatively titled Political designations in Northern Ireland, but I am open to the ides of merging it to any other existing article. Discussion is located at Talk:Designated Nationalist#Merger Proposal.--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 22:43, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

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Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

AfD

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian terrorism (2nd nomination)‎ may be of interest - one of the main sections in the article affected concerns The Troubles. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:14, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Edit check at Northern Ireland peace process

Could someone familiar with this area please check three edits by new editor Twinkles 132 (talk · contribs) as seen here. 220 of ^Borg 13:48, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

It seems odd to remove the names of politicians, and I'm not sure those sentences make sense without them. The sentence "This statement would lead, eventually, to the repeal of the Government of Ireland Act 1920", which was removed, could do with a reference (off the top of my head, I'm not sure whether it's correct or not). Cordless Larry (talk) 16:20, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Cordless Larry The GOIA 1920 article states the same in the last paragraph, with a link that cant be followed for verification. It is to the Irish Times so we might be able to get another. Murry1975 (talk) 16:32, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

It was certainly repealed in 1999. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:41, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Here's a source linking this to the Northern Ireland Act 1998. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:42, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Good work. Murry1975 (talk) 16:44, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you all! 220 of ^Borg 11:44, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Renaming the Derry and County Londonderry articles

Please give your opinion at Talk:Derry#RfC:_Renaming_the_Derry_and_County_Londonderry_articles. Dmcq (talk) 07:33, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

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Draft:Belfast Rapid Transport

Dear Northern Ireland experts: This draft about public transport in Belfast appears to be about a system that's not in operation, but is under construction. Is it time for and article on this topic?—Anne Delong (talk) 13:33, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

"Ireland"

The naming of the article at Ireland and the usage and topic of the pagename "Ireland" are up for discussion, see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ireland_Collaboration#Move "Ireland" to "Ireland (island)" or similar (June 2015) -- 70.51.203.69 (talk) 05:10, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Renaming the Derry article

Back with a vengeance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Derry#RfC:_Renaming_the_Derry_article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dubs boy (talk • contribs) 21:18, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

AfC submission

See Draft:Ailbhe O'Monachain (1889-1967). Thank you, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 02:22, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Requests for Comment

Two RfCs are ongoing at WikiProject Boxing. The first concerns use of Flag icons in professional boxing record tables here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Boxing#RfC: Flag icons in professional boxing record tables. The second concerns a proposed MOS for boxing articles Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Boxing#MoS:Boxing Final call, in particular whether UK should be added to locations in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Editors are invited to comment. Daicaregos (talk) 14:12, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

RfC on inclusion on Monarch in Information Boxes on NI politicians

A recent RfC has wider implications so other editors should be aware. ----Snowded ^TALK 11:08, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Category:Districts of Northern Ireland

Category talk:Districts of Northern Ireland on splitting pre-2015 and current districts jnestorius^(talk) 13:39, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Problematic "The Troubles in Location x" articles

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Northern_Ireland#The_Troubles_in_location_x policy appears unenforced, for example [The Troubles in Belcoo] has everything dumped from the CAIN database, I assume it was retyped manually since the reason I was in that page to begin with was to correct a name that was misspelled. (I assume someone had good intentions to try to memorialize all the dead, but Wikipedia is an *extremely* poor place to put a memorial, as (a) its accuracy is a crapshoot (and it's not very respectful to the dead to misspell their names), (b) it's subject to vandalism, and (c) even if we fixed it here in Wikipedia, the info might be deleted eventually anyway as it doesn't meet Wikipedia inclusion standards; it would be better to vet and fix the info somewhere where the information can have a long-term home.)

1. The current policy on this page says to include if there are 2 or more deaths in an incident; it seems to me that by Wikipedia policy, it can't be included if there's no source with WP:WEIGHT, regardless of # of deaths.

2. Does someone want to move the info to another wiki or host it themselves? It seems to me good that these pages exist (The CAIN database has the same info, but not in an accessible format), just not on Wikipedia.

3. If nobody cares enough to move the info, most of it is probably going to end up deleted, per Wikipedia policy. (If nobody volunteers to vet it for errors, I'm probably going to end up deleting weakly sourced material myself.)

Rolf H Nelson (talk) 21:11, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Oireachtas template

I've nominated the template Template:S-par/ie/oi for deletion. It relates to the way that members of the Irish parliament are represented in a peculiar infobox. The discussion here may interest this project as Northern Ireland is cited in the rationale. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:26, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

RfC: Should the Flag of Northern Ireland article say at the start there is currently no national flag for Northern Ireland

At Talk:Flag of Northern Ireland#RfC: Should the Flag of Northern Ireland article say at the start there is currently no national flag for Northern Ireland. Dmcq (talk) 11:49, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

RfC on Executive Office (ex-OFMdFM)

Please comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom#RfC: Executive Office. Thank you! st170e^talk 17:53, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Auto-assessment of article classes

Following a recent discussion at WP:VPR, there is consensus for an opt-in bot task that automatically assesses the class of articles based on classes listed for other project templates on the same page. In other words, if WikiProject A has evaluated an article to be C-class and WikiProject B hasn't evaluated the article at all, such a bot task would automatically evaluate the article as C-class for WikiProject B.

If you think auto-assessment might benefit this project, consider discussing it with other members here. For more information or to request an auto-assessment run, please visit User:BU RoBOT/autoassess. This is a one-time message to alert projects with over 1,000 unassessed articles to this possibility. ~ Rob^Talk 01:16, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge

Hi there. I've started a new initiative, the Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge. It's a long term goal to bring about 10,000 article improvements to the UK and Ireland. Through two contests involving just six or seven weeks of editing so far we've produced over 1500 improvements. Long term if we have more people chipping it and adding articles they've edited independently as well from all areas of the UK then reaching that target is all possible. I think it would be an amazing achievement to see 10,000 article improvements by editors chipping in with whatever area of the British Isles or subject that they work on. If you support this and think you might want to contribute towards this long term please sign up in the Contributors section. No obligations, just post work on anything you feel like whenever you want, though try to avoid basic stubs if possible as we're trying to reduce the overall stub count and improve general comprehension and quality. Thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:47, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Northern Ireland charity template

{{Northern Ireland charity}} is now available for charities registered at the Charity Commission for Northern Ireland. I have also posted a proposal for a corresponding Wikidata property. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:03, 13 September 2016 (UTC)