Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sailing/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:13, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Does List of world's largest wooden ships qualify?

to be part of your project I mean.--Filll 17:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

offer of assistance

A long-time sailor, I may be able to help with this project. Unless you give me more specific details, I'll just start by editing the pages I find that need editing...Rpcvmalawi 23:02, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Merge into WP:SHIPS?

I have a suggestion...

that this WikiProject be merged under the banner of WP:SHIPS as a component taskforce or workgroup or subproject... then a talkpage box would be {{WPSHIPS|Sail=yes}} or something.

76.66.197.30 (talk) 10:54, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

imo, it should be renamed to just 'Sailing' and used for the sport of sailing and associated subjects. It seems to be a bit of an odd project heading - and I dont think it would fit in with wp:ships - Happysailor ^(Talk) 12:45, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

If no-one objects in a day or so, i'm going to move the project to Wikipedia:WikiProject Sailing and attempt to move it forward. - Happysailor ^(Talk) 23:20, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to WikiProject Sailing Vessels and Rigging!

I'm not at all concerned if this remains a one man show for a while, in which case it will take some time to produce the coverage and consistency that the subject deserves. I am confident that in the future others will become interested, and hope that whenever that happens, this WikiProject will provide a useful framework to avoid the need to reinvent the wheel. Andrewa 19:41, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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WikiProject Tagging

This is the main thing to do atm - I'm considering enlisting the help of a Bot to assist in this if theres an agreement. Theres alot of pages out there and it would take ages otherwise.

This is for Category:Sailing and it's sub categories, are there any more? - Happysailor ^(Talk) 15:30, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad to see that someone finally woke this project up. There are some articles that I tagged for wp:ships that don't really fit the project scope. Since sailing didn't have a project banner I left them alone. I shall now add your banner when I come across one that doesn't fit wpships. There was also a project that covered knots which you might consider taking into this one. --Brad (talk) 02:48, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Tagging

This is the main thing to do atm - I'm considering enlisting the help of a Bot to assist in this if theres an agreement. Theres alot of pages out there and it would take ages otherwise.

This is for Category:Sailing and it's sub categories, are there any more? - Happysailor ^(Talk) 15:30, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad to see that someone finally woke this project up. There are some articles that I tagged for wp:ships that don't really fit the project scope. Since sailing didn't have a project banner I left them alone. I shall now add your banner when I come across one that doesn't fit wpships. There was also a project that covered knots which you might consider taking into this one. --Brad (talk) 02:48, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot announcement

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CfD of interest

Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_February_15#Category:Sailboat_names. Pcap ping 08:46, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Olympic, Vintage Yachting and former Olympic Classes

Hi,

Since the Olympic, Vintage Yachting and former Olympic classes wrote a huge part of sailing history I suggest to rank them all high on the important assesment.~ I volunteer to do that job.

Regards

NED33 (talk) 17:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Since no response yet:-) I will start today.NED33 (talk) 13:08, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

First run doneNED33 (talk) 13:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I do not know if all Olympic sailing topics should be high importance, but it is great to hear that somebody is working on them. RJ (talk) 23:51, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Sports Notability

There is discussion ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:BIO#RFC:_WP:Athlete_Professional_Clause_Needs_Improvement debating possible changes to the WP:ATHLETE notability guideline. As a result, some have suggested using WP:NSPORT as an eventual replacement for WP:ATHLETE. Editing has begun at WP:NSPORT, please participate to help refine the notability guideline for the sports covered by this wikiproject. —Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 03:40, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Sailing at the .... Summer Olympics

Folks,

I started to upgrade the articles on Sailing at the Sailing at the .... Summer Olympics

Please allow me some slack because I can not change everyting at the same time. It involves this article, the sections of 1896 till 2016 (30), the (former/Vintage) Olympic Classes (48), including results, medal tallies, sailors and so on. A change of an article can have impact on another or at the total. Therefor changes will be done in a recurrent way. If you find errors please put it on my discussion page first so that wil not have to make extra edit cycles.

Thanks in advance,

NED33 (talk) 07:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I have finalized the first iteration of Sailing at the 1972 Summer Olympics (Please see discussion page for iteration details). Can someone please grade this according to the standards of the WikiProject Sailing? NED33 (talk) 18:30, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I have finalized the creation of Sailing at the 1896 Summer Olympics. Can someone please grade this article according to the standards of the WikiProject Sailing? NED33 (talk) 21:23, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I have finalized the creation of Sailing at the 1900 Summer Olympics. Can someone please grade this article according to the standards of the WikiProject Sailing? NED33 (talk) 21:03, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your help on these articles, but please follow the WP:WikiProject Olympics consensus for this type of article. For example, results for individual events are kept on separate pages (e.g. Category:Sailing events at the 2008 Summer Olympics) instead of bundled together like you did to 1972. The formatting and style of those articles all reflect project consensus as well. Thanks — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 00:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Halkett boat

The article Halkett boat was promoted to FA status by the editor who started it, and those who contributed heavily to it. It's an interesting article, but not especially encyclopedic.

According to the process of reassessing FA status, I'm leaving notification here, and inviting wider comment.[1] Regards, Piano non troppo (talk) 09:32, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

new article effort on sail

hi,

I have partially translate an article but my English is not perfect, could have some help ?

best regards

Erwan1972 (talk) 19:13, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Tagging

ok we need a few people to form a consensus on getting a bot to tag all sailing related articles. We would also need to provide a list of categories for the bot to trawl through in order to find the articles to tag.

So a list of Categories:

• Category:Sailing (main category obviously inc. all sub categories)

Fair use images on sailing at the... summer Olympics

Hi,

As you might have noticed many of the fair use images have been removed from the pages sailing at the... this week by User talk:Rettetast. As result a bot is buzy to label them as orphans since they are used no longer. As result of that the images might be deleted.

A few months have past since I started the upgrade of the sailing at the ... series, and with help from some of you on it was possible to reach a high level of generic format for this series as wel as a high level of content. At this moment 1900 till 1972 were upgraded to this high level and the article series have now left the stage of stub and have grown to a mature status as you will agree.

Discussed was use of the fair use images by the Finn victors of 1964 the result of the discussion was keep! When these images of races and victors of the Olympics will be deleted we will loose significant information of the history of the sport. Knowlegeble sailors will get a lot of historic information if they compare, as example, a star race from 1948 with that of one of 1984. Information about development in handling, rigging, tunning and sailing the boat by top sailors at the top event.

By removing the images, that support the articles in a way only words can not convey, the article series will loose valuable information and maturity. The images are not there for decoration but perform an informative rol.

Can you please support the battle of maintaining the level of information maturity in this article series, before the images are deleted and undoing of the changes of User talk:Rettetast will not be possible without creating the images again. Thanks in advance. Rudy NED33 (talk) 10:53, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

A general problem with most sailing articles

I have noticed that many, if not most, articles in the Sailing category suffer from a chronic problem. When read by a user with no knowledge of nautical terminology they read like gibberish. It should be a guiding rule that the lede be written in non-technical language accessible to all readers. The body can contain more technical language as long as links are included with esoteric terms.

Most readers who come to articles such as Death roll have usually found the term or phrase in a book and are reaching for an explanation. Setting the latter out in additional obscure terminology only adds frustration and is no help to the problem. Please consider this. ~ Alcmaeonid (talk) 15:03, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Sailing articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release

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We would like to ask you to review the Sailing articles and revisionIDs we have chosen. Selected articles are marked with a diamond symbol (♦) to the right of each article, and this symbol links to the selected version of each article. If you believe we have included or excluded articles inappropriately, please contact us at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8 with the details. You may wish to look at your WikiProject's articles with cleanup tags and try to improve any that need work; if you do, please give us the new revisionID at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8. We would like to complete this consultation period by midnight UTC on Monday, October 11th.

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I do not understand contributions of ...

Hi ! I am not sure of contributions of Jonas kam about Sailing at Olympics. As my english is poor, if somebody can check them, thank you.--Barbetorte (talk) 20:05, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Cascade Yachts

I created the Cascade Yachts page a few days ago. They were one of the earliest production builder of fiberglass sailboats. I'm a hack, so perhaps someone who knows what they are doing can add it to 'wikiproject sailing', etc. Thanks Tristan da cunha (talk) 15:49, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

{{done}}—Diiscool (talk) 21:22, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Boats

FYI, there is a proposal for a WP:BOATS to cover watercraft that are smaller than those bannered by WP:SHIPS. As several watercraft articles have been debannered from WPSHIPS, it seems appropriate that there be a wikiproject to cover these articles. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Boats

76.66.199.238 (talk) 08:58, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

photo of ocean race route du Rhum 2010

hi,

As i live close to Saint Malo (britany france),i have put some photo on boat park at Saint Malo, for the ocean race Route du Rhum 2010 : Route du Rhum 2010.

best regards

Erwan1972 (talk) 09:43, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Sailboats vs Sailing Ships

Category:Sailing vessels contains subcategories named Category:Sailboats and Category:Sailing ships. Perhaps an opening sentence should be placed at the top of Category:Sailing vessels to direct users & editors to the appropriate subcategory. It seems there may be confusion as to the proper subcategory to place articles. Gjs238 (talk) 02:29, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Scope

Do you cover all sailing topics, or only those related to sport sailing and recreational sailing? Someone at WP:SHIPS said that you do not cover sailing ships (like tall ships). 65.93.12.101 (talk) 07:28, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

This project's scope can be found here. It says "sport of sailing" so I would interpret that as not tall ships, which are obviously covered by WP:SHIPS. —Diiscool (talk) 12:56, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

• The problem manifests itself when looking at various categories. eg categories which are 'sail' or 'sailing' orientated cannot only be limited to recreational sailing otherwise the casual or serious reader is disconnected from the world of merchant and naval Sailing. If the mood is that this project covers recreational sailing then it probably needs to be refined to Sailing (recreational) or similar. What does every one think on this?? Boatman (talk) 16:38, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
  • I have no problem with that at all. Aloha27 (talk) 17:17, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Since the project hasn't been renamed are we to assume that anything sailing goes? After all, WP:Ships accepts any vessel over a certain length, 100ft I think, but many tall ships are used purely for recreation. Many vessels exist over the length minimum that are purely recreational, and they are getting bigger all the time - WP:Ships seems to automatically include anything breaching the minimum, but does that prevent WP:Sailing from taking an interest? Considering the limited traffic that this project sees is it wise to exclude anything that sails (on water anyways)? Weakopedia (talk) 08:11, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Lets put it another way - since WP defines sport as "generally recognised as being based in physical athleticism" are there any objections to changing the scope of the project, as outlined on the main page, from the sport of sailing to the activity of sailing? This would legitimise the inclusion of all recreational sailing activities and not limit the project to races. Remember that many vessels exist over and under 100ft that have a commercial purpose year-round, eg. charter yachts, but whose commercial purpose is recreation, though not precisely sport. WP:Ships doesn't wish to deal with those, so if not this project then who? Weakopedia (talk) 06:48, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

I agree with changing "sport" to "activity". There are very many sailors who do it for leisure, not sport. —Diiscool (talk) 12:05, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm happy with activity. I agree that there are (or were) also working sailing vessels at under 100ft, (mostly to do with various forms of the fishing industry), that would't fit into WP:Ships, so they make sense here, and cruising, for example, is a common sailing activity conducted for other than sport. - Bilby (talk) 12:16, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

I wondered what everyone thought as my interest in sailing falls somewhere in the middle ground - I sail but neither for sport nor commerce. If no-one objects in that time I'll change the wording in a couple days, and thanks for your input! Weakopedia (talk) 06:13, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

new article needed and list needed

It is too bad that there is not yet an article on

community sailing program

It is mentioned in the sailing article, but this topic is important enough to have its own article.

Then we need to create a list of community sailing centers in the united states

I think this would actually further the sport of sailing by helping to direct people community sailing centers who have never sailed before and are using wikipedia for reference and education purposes.

We can also show the importance of a true community boating / sailing center vs others which don't quite meet it = like a public university sponsored sailing center... UCLA comes to mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.83.66.182 (talk) 04:46, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

http://organizations.ussailing.org/Membership/Sailing_Organizations.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.83.66.182 (talk) 04:48, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

US Sailing has a good starting point list for each 50 states:

here is the california example: http://www1.ussailing.org/wheretosail/wheretosail.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.83.66.182 (talk) 04:56, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

If the topic is important enough to have its own article then it shouldn't be hard to find good sources discussing it. The first you give doesn't mention the topic as such, but gives one line about a "Community Sailing Centre". The second is to an online phone directory. Neither has anything about the "Community Sailing Program" that would require an article of its own.

Googling the topic, it appears difficult to find much about this Program, with links going mostly to individual sailing clubs which do not explain much about the Program itself. If you can find information about the Program it would be great, but be wary of starting an article that could be seen as an advertisement for a bunch of sailing clubs, even if it is in a good cause. Weakopedia (talk) 09:05, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, we would need some reliable sources that directly address and define "community sailing." I'm having trouble finding any just doing a quick search. Maybe there are some in magazines. This document from US Sailing gives that organization's basic guidelines about what a community sailing organization is. One problem I see with an article on this topic is that it will be wide open to become a huge advertising list for the hundreds of community sailing organizations which really isn't too helpful since that already exists on US Sailing. Guidelines for content would need to be agreed upon in the Talk page and enforced. —Diiscool (talk) 13:13, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Match racing

Bonjour. I created in Commons a new category Commons:Category:Match racing, and added images in Commons:Category:St Quay Women Match Racing 2011. They concern women Match race, Elliott 6m, Claire Leroy, Lucy Macgregor and other skippers who are going to race at 2012 Olympic games. Best regards, --Barbetorte (talk) 17:10, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

2011 World Championships

I'm not sure whether this page is watched much, but I've just started this new article. It'd be good if someone could take a look at it and maybe expand it a bit, particularly in regards to the individual events and classes, as I really have no idea on them. Cheers, I♦A 12:31, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Added Myself

I just added myself to the user list on the front page. I'll check in fairly regularly, but feel free to swing by my talk page as well. Fortheloveofbacon (talk) 12:39, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikimedians to the Games: Sailing events

If you're participating or considering in participating in Wikimedians to the Games, you may be interested in attending the events below. They may provide an opportunity to get information to write a Wikinews article or to take pictures for points on Commons. If you're not participating, it would still be great to see people attending these events to take pictures for use on Wikipedia and Wikinews. If you do decide to attend, consider hosting a Wikimedia meetup at the end or the evening of the event, or even just letting HOPAU organisers know you are planning to attend. If you leave a message on my talk page, I can help you promote the meetup. :) If you need help with organising attendance because of transport cost issues or accessibility in terms of wanting press access, again please get in touch. :) --LauraHale (talk) 07:08, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Sailing in New South Wales

• Sydney Harbour Regatta day 1 - Wot Eva Time: Sat March 10, 9:00 am to Sat March 10, 6:00 pm [2]

Outline for Sailing?

Is anyone working on creating an outline for sailing or yacht racing in particular? Saltwolf (talk) 21:45, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "outline" but keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a how-to guide or instruction manual. I would think the articles Sailing and Yacht racing cover the subjects in a sufficiently encyclopedic manner. —Diiscool (talk) 21:31, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Portal:Sailing

{{done}} Now perfected by adding new articles and biographies (for use the "purge button"). Who wants to help this, of course, is free to do so. --Kasper2006 (talk) 11:22, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

This is wonderful! I think this fits the bill for the outline I was talking about above. Thanks, Kasper2006!!--Saltwolf (talk) 01:24, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Tanks. Now I have a request here for promotion to Featured portals. --Kasper2006 (talk) 18:36, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Inception (Yacht) AfD

The Inception (Yacht) article, which falls under this WP, has bee nominated for deletion at AfD. Mjroots (talk)

Yacht racer is different by sailor

There are two categories: Category:Yacht racers and Category:Sailors. I think that the first is for the sportsperson who praticate te Sailing (sport) and the second is, more generally, just for the person that are sailor (in sailing not sailing (sport)). I say that, because at the moment more sportsmen are in the mother category. What do you think about?. --Kasper2006 (talk) 07:15, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

The term "yacht racer" is very misleading the sport is called "sailing" not "yachting" to me a "Yacht racer" is referring to a sailor on a larger boat which are referred to as yachts. I think the general category "'Nationality' sailor" is fine to be used. If this is complemented with the sub category like Category:British sailors when the list becomes to long it can be broken down into sub categories like (e.g. olympians, pirate, recreational, america cup sailors, explorers, etc.) but this will only happen in a few cases. I think the Olympic sailors sub category is important though as this is used in other places within wikipedia. These categories need a majot tidy up there are lots of category tree errors. Would be interested in other peoples thoughts? --Yachty4000 (talk) 14:17, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Positioning of World Champion Winners within Wikipedia

I had a conversion with Kasper2006 regarding sailing World Championships you can see the conversions here. As everyone is aware involved in the sport there are literally hundreds of Sailing World Championships so a page with all the sailing world champions isn't really an option like most other sports. Someone has tried it here List_of_World_Championships_medalists_in_sailing.

I spent quite a bit of time populating and updating this data onto each class page so that all the facts related to each class were in one place and hopefully someone from the class will keep things maintained. This has happened for the Farr 30 page were class members have maintained it for example. Recently without consensus this data has been removed and put on individual pages. What are other users thoughts on this as I don't want a battle of the undo button.

As a secondary point I am also suggesting this infobox is deleted Template:Sailing_worlds as it will just end up as a copy of Template:International Sailing Federation Events and Template:Classes of the International Sailing Federation Your thoughts are greatfully appreciated. (User talk:Yachty4000) 18:17, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Just one word, see: IAAF World Championships in Athletics and List of World Championships in Athletics medalists (men). It's the same for all sports and all wikies in the world. Same thing for the "enormous" template and the fact that there is this Template:AthleticsAt2011WorldChampionships with 24 pages an not a page infinite 2011 World Championships in Athletics with all results. Concepts are so simple ... but condone Y. he's just on wikipedia, but very willing. Let's just say that our friend Y. has not the gift of simplification or synthesis. ;-) --Kasper2006 (talk) 21:55, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

You can always find a precedent one way or another on wikipedia. The fact is you could never create as full a list like IAAF World Championships in Athletics because the data doesn't exist Worlds go back a lot further than 1983 in more displines in sailing. Yes we could take List_of_World_Championships_medalists_in_sailing and complete it so it became like List of World Championships in Athletics medalists (men) but this will be well over the page size limit and hard to read and link to. I cannot find a page devoted to the 800m World Championships on it own which is what I am really objecting to in sailing as per your recent page creations. Sailing is an equipment based sport hence why I would rather have the results with the relevant piece of equipment. What I really want is other peoples views on what is the best way forwards for the sailing. (p.s. Kasper I would be interested in your thought on the other talk discussion here) (User talk:Yachty4000) 10:50, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Some sports have more than one WC, for instance Category:World Speed Skating Championships (three). 800 metres don't have a different held in a different country, Star and Finn (not in the years of ISAF WC, just from 2003), yes and not from now, but from the night of times. It's so simple: different held and date > different WC, same held and date > same WC. --Kasper2006 (talk) 11:44, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Still no views from other users? Clearly Kasper likes pages and I like everything to be in one place linked to the equipment. What do other users think? Here another example 5.5_Metre_(keelboat) is maintained and this isn't maintained List_of_World_Championships_medalists_in_sailing_(keelboat_classes)#5.5_metre I really would love to hear from others within the project I no both myself and kasper will go along with the concensus. (User talk:Yachty4000) 13:30, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I think the List_of_World_Championships_medalists_in_sailing lists are good for less known classes where the World Championship is not notable enough for a Wikipedia article and pointing to specifiv articles for more well-known championship. I also want to say that the 5.5 Metre (keelboat) article of today is to crowded with different winners of different champiosnhips that would fit better in 5.5 Metre World Championships, 5.5 Metre European Championships et cetera. Another possibility is to make table of medalists as a template to place in several places. /Smartskaft (talk) 16:19, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Sailing at the 2000 Summer Olympics

Hello, I am not a sailor or sailing enthusiast but stumbled across this article while doing peripheral readings and have come to ask for some help. Upon first reading I thought the article had been vandalised but it seems, from the history, this was an article that was worked on by a user rather comprehensively as a project but subsequently abandoned and forgotten leaving it halfway between a real article and a placeholder article. I do not know enough about sailing, or Olympics for that matter, to fill in the blanks and repair the article so was hoping someone here with better knowledge could take a look and fix it up. –– Lid^(Talk) 16:17, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Portsmouth Yardstick

I have been adding (referenced) examples to the table in Portsmouth Yardstick and now feel the table warrants moving to its own article. Please see the explanation I have given in Talk:Portsmouth Yardstick. I would be very grateful for input from members of WikiProject Sailing before carrying out this move. Ginyild (talk) 14:23, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Disability sailing classification → Sailing classification

See talk:Disability sailing classification for the discussion -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 06:38, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Classes =/= Classification. --LauraHale (talk) 10:06, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

wikt:classification is the establishment of classes for things -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 05:31, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

The RM failed. There is a new one covering several sports, including sailing, here. --Stfg (talk) 15:17, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

RfC on the use of flag icons for sportspeople

An RfC discussion about the MOS:FLAG restriction on the use of flag icons for sportspeople has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. We invite all interested participants to provide their opinion here. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:56, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Yacht races and infoboxes

Hey, I recently found a whole bunch of articles for every year of the Sydney to Hobart Yacht Race, most recent being the 2012 article. They all seem to have infoboxes, but the infoboxes are actually copy-pasted tables and not template transclusions. Figured this would be the place to ask if anyone has any idea as to whether the infoboxes came from some template originally, or if they could be replaced with an existing template. — daranz [ t ] 05:12, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Portal:Sports is up for featured portal consideration

This is a courtesy message to inform the members of this project that I have nominated Portal:Sports for featured portal status. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Sports. The featured portal criteria are at Wikipedia:Featured portal criteria. Please feel free to weigh in. Sven Manguard Wha? 18:38, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect image:GearAtYardarm.png

The image is labeled incorrectly: The footrope is labeled "brace"... but no idea how to term the cable labeled "footrope". I suspect that the "jackstays" should be a singular "jackstay"... and maybe there are still further inaccuracies? It'd be great if someone could have a look... and if someone knows how to correct the image, that'd also be a good deed as the image is generally very useful I think. (Unfortunately, I don't have suitable software to correct the image even if I knew what to change.) Thanks, Ibn Battuta (talk) 20:00, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Circolo della Vela Sicilia

We seem to be missing an article on Circolo della Vela Sicilia , Luna Rossa's sanctioner. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:58, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

File:OldKyle.jpg

File:OldKyle.jpg has been nominated for deletion. Her article states she's a sailing vessel -- 65.92.181.39 (talk) 03:56, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

New photos on Commons that might interest you

Hi everyone!. I recently uploaded a set of photos from the Svenska litteratursällskapet i Finland of some sailboats. You can find them on Commons here. Hope they are of some use for you! SarahStierch (talk) 15:56, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Contributor participant table

I am having trouble with the table. Part of it certainly is my user name.

7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:34, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I fixed it. You had some extra coding in there that messed up the table. —Diiscool (talk) 15:59, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Help needed at Articles for Creation.

The draft Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Tempest 23 needs help from subject specialists. Please help to get it into acceptable shape - if it simply isn't possible please break the bad news to the draft writer gently. Thanks Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:10, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

• {{Done}} 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:24, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Assessment: Sailing at the 1900 Summer Olympics

Folks,

Can you please make an assessment on Sailing at the 1900 Summer Olympics This article (not the sub articles) is the first of my second editing cycle on the Sailing Olympic series. I prefer to discuss changes first with you here before changes are made so that we can avoid a moving target.

RegardsNED33 _/) talk 12:56, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet for Wikiproject Sailing at Wikimania 2014

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dickerson 41

This pleasure sailboat seems marginally documentable, but I'm not clear on the notability of these various makes and models. There are a lot of others like this, only with more words (but often with no references either). Mangoe (talk) 13:58, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

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Expert attention

This is a notice about Category:Sailing articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock (talk) 03:35, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Expert attention

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Keelboats worldwide

Template:Keelboats worldwide has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Smartskaft (talk) 22:16, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Pageview stats

After a recent request, I added WikiProject Sailing to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Sailing/Popular pages.

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Sunday Times Golden Globe Race

I have nominated Sunday Times Golden Globe Race for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. DrKiernan (talk) 09:02, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Recent changes to the graphics for Template: Medal

There is a template talk page discussion regarding the graphics used for medalists in infobox medals tables occurring at Template talk:Medal#‎Changing from gold/silver/bronze to 1/2/3. As this discussion is within the scope of WP:Sailing, you are invited to make your comments on the recent graphics changes there. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:47, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Contested deletion Category talk:Yachting races

You should know about this and comment. One of our editors has systematically depopulated it, and thinks that is a good reason to delete it. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:08, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Charles Kingsley yacht designer

Hi, How would I get the yacht designer Charles Kingsley added to the Category:Yacht Designers list? I am in process of creating an article. Thanks. Siddyboy3.0 (talk) 08:38, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Virtual Regatta

Hello fellow sailors (okay, so my boat is only eight feet long...)! Here's a rather unusual draft article related to sailing. If the information in the article is correct, a lot of people are taking part in these online races. The draft was turned down as not having reliable sources. Are there magazines or newsletters that keep track of this sort of thing? (It sounds like fun.)—Anne Delong (talk) 21:10, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Where to start (editing, not sailing)

Hi

I've been browsing some of the sailing related articles, and I think they all need quite a lot of work.

The pages in my particular interest (at this stage) are Sailing and Single-handed sailing

The Sailing page is in parts way too technical and convoluted. Both pages make unsupported and unwarranted generalisations. Both have lots of opinion-based adjectives and 'weasel' words. ("Joshua Slocum's great voyage", "Reaching may, however, put the boat ...") Both make assertions about the universal regulation of sailing by ISAF Racing Rules of Sailing and COLREGS that aren't necessary, or necessarily true.

Anyway, I'm not here to make a 'whinge list'. I just wanted to provide a 'heads up' that I'm going to do some editing on those (and possibly other) sailing related pages, so anyone here can monitor what I'm doing. I'll leave explanations for any major changes on the relevant Talk pages, sometimes even before I make the change. Happy to have constructive discussions, before during and after.

I'll start on the Single Handed page as it's shorter and going to be easier to manage the changes.

Regards Wayne 21:56, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

That's great, Wayne. I concur that many sailing-related articles need work to conform to Wikipedia standards. I encourage your participation! Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 03:24, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Updating - Spanker (sail)

I'd actually seen the term tallboy and blooper in the book Fatal Storm by Rob Mundle in which it is mentioned that one of the boats in the 1998 Sydney to Hobart Yacht Race planned to use a blooper, but were unable to do so due to the weather conditions on the first day.

The reason given in the book for the attempt was that the sail had fallen out of fashion (I think also that it was illegal in some racing categories.) to the extent that when it came up in a casual converstion no-one but the person who bought it up had any idea what was being talked about. This lead to some research being done, the sails being sourced from a company in South Africa and tests being done which suggested that had conditions been right the boat (the "B-52") would have gained some advantage and possibly turned a few heads.

A quick websearch has bought up a few threads and Youtube videos which could be used to expand the article, which also needs a yacht sailplan to go with the full rigged ship.

It looks like there might be some interesting sailing history that needs covering. It's also starting to look like the two named sails actually refer to completely different sails rather than being different names for the same sail. Sources found to date are:

General

• Sails - What's in a name? (Crusing World Jan-Apr 1982)

Tallboy

• Tallboy Vs Small Genoa

Blooper

• YouTube: What is a Blooper?
• Memories of a sail that lived up to its name in every way
• Someone explain the "blooper"
• PHOTO: Back when bloopers ruled the seas
• Strange Sails: Bloopers
• Bravura flying spinnaker & Blooper
• Yachting Magazine: Join the Ban the Blooper movement (January 1985)
• Smuggler's wind P. 29 (Non-fiction)
• The question of Staysails - How to make them work for you
• West of the Equator, P. 33 (Fiction)

Graham1973 (talk) 09:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Range / Navigational transit / Leading lines

Navigational transit and Leading lines (UK terms) should probably be merged -- does anyone know what the more common term is? NE Ent 10:47, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

If you use the terms "navigational transit", "leading line", and "navigational range" in Google Ngram Viewer, "navigational transit" registers not at all. So, I suggest "Leading line (navigation)" with a redirect from "Range axis (navigation)". "Range" has a lot of ambiguities, since it is also a distance from present position. User:HopsonRoad 11:54, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Belay what I said, above. The hits on "leading line" can have occurred from photography. A search in Bartlett suggests that a "transit" is the line between two navigational markers, whereas a "leading line" is the intended course, whether determined by channel markers, or not. User:HopsonRoad 13:02, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

My thinking is that, in light of the fact neither term may be notable beyond its definition (WP:NOT#DICTIONARY) and Wikipedia is not an instructional manual, it might be better to redirect these terms to come under their own headings in Pilotage. User:HopsonRoad 14:43, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Range / Navigational transit / Leading lines

Navigational transit and Leading lines (UK terms) should probably be merged -- does anyone know what the more common term is? NE Ent 10:47, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

If you use the terms "navigational transit", "leading line", and "navigational range" in Google Ngram Viewer, "navigational transit" registers not at all. So, I suggest "Leading line (navigation)" with a redirect from "Range axis (navigation)". "Range" has a lot of ambiguities, since it is also a distance from present position. User:HopsonRoad 11:54, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Belay what I said, above. The hits on "leading line" can have occurred from photography. A search in Bartlett suggests that a "transit" is the line between two navigational markers, whereas a "leading line" is the intended course, whether determined by channel markers, or not. User:HopsonRoad 13:02, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

My thinking is that, in light of the fact neither term may be notable beyond its definition (WP:NOT#DICTIONARY) and Wikipedia is not an instructional manual, it might be better to redirect these terms to come under their own headings in Pilotage. User:HopsonRoad 14:43, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Rope question

Does someone know the proper term for the use/arrangement of rope at upper left in this picture? - Jmabel | Talk 04:16, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

• This arrangement looks like a simple mat or flake. The rust from the block indicates to me that it has been in place for a great while and really serves no purpose other than decorative. YMMV. Regards,   Aloha27  talk  11:17, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Thanks! - Jmabel | Talk 19:08, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Jmabel & Aloha27, what you're looking at are carrick mats, whose purpose here is to protect the coachwork of the vessel from being dinged by the blocks, visible in the picture, when the lines running through them are slack. User:HopsonRoad 00:44, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

• Further thanks! - Jmabel | Talk 04:47, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

And another. Clearly some sort of a quick-release hitch, but I'm wondering whether there is some particular name for it. - Jmabel | Talk 19:55, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Jmabel Sorry for the delay in answering, but sailing season has just ended for us and I came upon this. What you're looking at is called a slippery hitch and can be found here (Figure 32). It is for very temporary use only. Regards,   Aloha27  talk  16:12, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't concur with the picture being the same as the "slippery hitch" that Aloha27 refers to. That hitch is simply a half hitch, tied with the bitter end looping back for quick release. The illustrated knot is essentially two half hitches, tied with the bitter end looping back through both loops. Sincerely, User:HopsonRoad 21:40, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Peer review

Does WikiProject Sailing have a place to list new articles created so that they can be peer reviewed? Of note WikiProject Aircraft has Wikipedia:New articles (Aircraft), which allows new articles to be listed and anyone to watch the list and review the articles as they are created. It does seem to work well and quickly improves new articles. - Ahunt (talk) 11:09, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

It looks like the answer to my question is "no". Any interest? - Ahunt (talk) 00:02, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

It seems like a good idea to me, Ahunt. However, my main concern with most sailing articles is that they are in very poor shape, both with respect to style of writing and degree of proper citations. There doesn't seem to be a lot of activity cleaning these up. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 03:06, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

That is a good point and related to the issue I have brought here. The listing of new articles allows project members to review them while they are new and make changes to improve them right away. The problem of older articles being of low quality can be addressed with a similar list of "articles needing attention". On the aircraft project we have included a section in the new articles for review for articles that have been recently improved. When someone finds an older article that needs fixing they can rewrite it and then list it there when done, so that other editors can take a kick at it, too. Perhaps two new list pages could be made, one for articles that need work and the other for new articles, plus articles that have recently been rewritten and need reviewing. I can create both those pages here on the sailing project, if at least a few people are interested enough to watch them. - Ahunt (talk) 11:48, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Ahunt, I can see that the Aircraft community is better organized and has produced better articles than here. I would encourage you to implement your suggestions, since you know how! Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 12:33, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

{{Done}}, now found at:

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Sailing/New articles
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Sailing/Articles needing work

Please feel free to add articles to both pages! I added one article I started earlier this month to the first page for review for a start. Now if everyone "watches" these pages, perhaps we can get this project moving.

I also added tabs to the pages to improve navigation. If the project has more pages please feel free to add them to the tabs. Let me know if you need help doing that! - Ahunt (talk) 13:20, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Ahunt, thanks for getting this started. I've been under the impression that these sorts of pages are automatically populated by a bot, not curated by individuals. See User:InceptionBot. For reference, here's a list of other projects using this bot. I've looked into this in the past, but I'll admit, I've been a little overwhelmed at the prospect of setting it up. As for articles needing work, I wonder if we could pull a list of, say, C-Class articles. Mindfrieze (talk) 14:26, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

It probably is possible to set up a bot to find new articles, but I have no idea how to do that. Of note Wikipedia:New articles (Aircraft) is added to by hand. This is actually probably preferable, as it engages people to watch the list, add to it and then read and edit the articles other editors post there for review. My thought is that if a bot is adding articles then people will just ignore it and no reviews will get done. The idea is to engage editors in the project! - Ahunt (talk) 14:53, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Okay, but it also means a lot of (maybe most) new sailing articles will fall through the cracks, because the people creating them won't know to add them to the list. Mindfrieze (talk) 14:55, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

We can certainly keep an eye out and add them ourselves and invite others to add them if they miss doing so. Even on the aircraft project some do get missed, but we are still ahead of what we have today, at least. - Ahunt (talk) 15:11, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Okay I added an article 3000 (dinghy) to Wikipedia:WikiProject Sailing/Articles needing work, to show the normal format and such!

I am interested in how this works it is a great initiative I hope we can get the engagement to make it work. I certianly don't do enough referencing of my edits for example. If I have a dispute in an edit within sailing it generally ends up in one other only which is never good.

Can the community please look at the infobox request this is one of our most used templates.Yachty4000 (talk) 10:27, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Engagement is the key! Over on the Aircraft Project there are enough of us active that we have created over 20,000 new aircraft type articles in the last few years, with more each month. It builds momentum. I have found enough refs to create a pile of new sailboat class articles, just need to get the time to start writing them and listing them at Wikipedia:WikiProject Sailing/New articles. Then I hope other editors will review them and make them better, plus feel motivated to add more too. That is all it takes. There is tons of work to be done, just need the people motivated to do it. I'll commit now to reviewing anyone else's articles that they list there. Having recently bought a new sailboat I am thinking that writing sailing articles might just be a way to keep "sailing" over the winter in Canada where I live. - Ahunt (talk) 11:21, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Infobox for sailboats

I would appreciate your input on the proposed structural changes to Template_talk:Infobox_sailboat_specifications can you comment on that page with any input. For discussion here is that we have two templates doing the same thing as I have just noticed Template:Infobox_sailing_yacht. Does anyone know how to see the usage of the templates so we can decide which one to keep. Yachty4000 (talk) 22:28, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Template:Infobox sailing yacht seems to be for individual boats while Template:Infobox sailboat specifications is for a sailboat class. By using trasclusion count the former template is on 189 pages while the latter is used on 675 pages. - Ahunt (talk) 11:32, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Trasclusion is a nice find and I agree with your conclusions although there may be a better way of using a common "boat specification" template and then adding sub templates for things like specific events. This is what the athlete infobox do. Yachty4000 (talk) 20:29, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello! I am a bit confused by the two templates Template:Infobox_sailboat_specifications and Template:Infobox_sailing_yacht. They look pretty similar the first being apparently more used. Would it make sense to add some informations at the top of each of the templates to indicate what they are for? I came across that dilemma when trying to enhance Team_Vestas_Wind (a Danish boat that wrecked during the 2014-2015 Volvo race). Thanks ! Hashar (talk) 22:19, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gloucester dory

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gloucester dory for a related AfD. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 09:17, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

2016 Community Wishlist Survey Proposal to Revive Popular Pages

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Water depths by crowdsourcing

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Assessment

Great idea to use ratings for improuvement of articles! Please can somebody check OpenSeaMap against English language? (because my Swiss school English is rosty). Would be nice to move the quality towards "green" :-) Thanks, --Markus (talk) 10:54, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Categories for Merge April 2017

Suggested merge of Category:Sailboat components to Category:Sailing ship components. Maybe if that's right, we can consider Category:Sailboats v. Category:Sailing ships. -- B.S. Lawrence (talk) 15:36, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

• Sounds like a good idea. Fewer cats are better. - Ahunt (talk) 15:48, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

• Conditional support added to nomination. --Mindfrieze (talk) 18:02, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
• Support: Recommend renaming merged categories to Category:Sailing vessel components and Category:Sailing vessels. User:HopsonRoad 20:50, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

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Discussion on sailing vessel lists at Talk:Sailing ship

Is transcluded here: User:HopsonRoad 09:58, 23 June 2017 (UTC) (This discussion is transcluded at: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sailing and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships User:HopsonRoad 10:02, 23 June 2017 (UTC))

I added caïque here yesterday, which was reverted as the "article says it is a boat, not a ship". That's fair enough, but the list also has entries for Longship, Lugger, Luzzu, Tjotter, Koch (boat), Yacht and a Polynesian outrigger canoe. They are all about the same size, they all have sail plans, and they are all described interchangeably as boats, ships, or simply vessels.
So, are we in need of some criteria for inclusion here? The term “ship” is notoriously imprecise; what should be in, and what out? Moonraker12 (talk) 16:20, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

I appreciate your understanding, Moonraker12, and your appropriate question, here. Perhaps the answer is to make a new stand-alone list article, titled Types of sailing vessels, which would include vessels large and small. In this scenario, the imbedded list would disappear from this article and become a "See also".

A word of caution, there is a List of large sailing vessels, a List of large sailing yachts, and a Comparison of large sloops, each of which names vessels individually, not by type.

I thought about having it be Types of sailing craft, which would include iceboats and land yachts, but decided that they didn't contribute very much to the taxonomy, but would merit a "See also". Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 17:19, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

This is tricky: A separate "Types of sailing vessels" list would certainly solve the problem here: OTOH we already have (in addition to the ones you mentioned)

• The list at Sail plan#Types
• Another at Sailboat#Types
• A list of historical ship types
• The types of sailing vessels and rigs template
• A list of sailing boat types (which seems to list every kind of keelboat, yacht, dinghy, and multihull on the water)
• And a list of boat types (which just looks like a category page)

We can have too much of a good thing, I feel.

Another possibility maybe is to incorporate some of the text from the Ship article (esp. from Ship#Nomenclature to here and limit the entries to the ones mentioned; it would be useful to have them listed with definitions (I can never remember the difference between a barque and a barquentine, or a brig and a brigantine)

Anyway, it's up to you (though if you want a hand with the latter suggestion, just give a shout). Regards, Moonraker12 (talk) 14:14, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for these observations, Moonraker12. It seems that Sail plan#Types is properly about named sail plans, whereas Sailboat#Types is properly about generic categories of sailboats. List of sailing boat types should properly be named List of sailboat classes—it is divided by sailboat types into classes.

To follow your suggestion, one could define "ship" sufficiently broadly to encompass its changing historical meaning and then prune those entries that don't conform. One method would be to go to the link and, if it says "boat" eliminate it. One could next identify which of the "historical ship types" are sailing vessels and check to see if they are really boats, as well. Finally, one could then see what's left and come up with a definition like, "Here is a list of sailing vessels that were considered ships in their time, being used for commerce or war and carrying a substantial complement of crew". Let me know what you think. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 17:17, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

HopsonRoad: I was sort of thinking of things the other way round; to put in some text (we could do with a History section, or something dealing with the Evolution of the Sailing Ship) and list the vessels mentioned in that. I've knocked a rough draft together here, if you'd like to have a look. In practice, I suspect the list would look much the same either way: I've done a rough draft of both here. Regards, Moonraker12 (talk) 22:53, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Moonraker12: Thank you for all the enterprising work that you did at your sandbox sections. I encourage you to be bold and implement what you have started. The "evolution" bit seems to hinge on one source. It would be good to make that clear up front, e.g. "Lavery lays out 5,000 years of sailing ship history, as follows:" BTW, sorry for the delayed response. I was on a sailing cruise in Maine. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 19:55, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Help with an image

I've posted the 2017 America's Cup result to ITN - does anyone know of a free image of the winning yacht we could use with it? GoldenRing (talk) 15:09, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at NSPORTS

Hello all. In an effort to finally resolve the never-ending and annoying GNG v SSG issue, I've proposed a revision of the NSPORTS introduction. You are all invited to take part in the discussion. Thank you. Jack | ^{talk page} 06:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Santa Cruz 70

Hi, this article has been in draft for a couple of years despite it possibly being notable. Would anyone be interested in improving it for mainspace ? Most of the existing refs are defunct, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 17:44, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Project about ships?

I think it should be Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships.

Specific ships are not part of sailing, example: [3]

D1gggg (talk) 12:48, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

What about manufactures?

Similar question, should we cover LaserPerformance in Sailing or as separate project?

I see need in separate project for 1. small boats 2. medium recreational yachts and 3. sailing ships (and what to do with museums?) D1gggg (talk) 15:30, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

This project covers the manufacturers of sailboats like Tanzer Industries , too, as well as designers, like Johann Tanzer. Why would we want to split this WikiProject into essentially dinghies and keelboats? Many manufacturers of this size of boats have built both, so it makes sense to keep them together. There is very little participation in this project the way it is, splitting it would only result in fewer people working on the articles. Sailing museums could be part of this project, but are also worked on by Wikipedia: WikiProject Museums. Ships are under Wikipedia: WikiProject Ships. - Ahunt (talk) 16:41, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

They are separate in real world. Quite often they have separate marinas.

Equipment and maintenance is different.

1. dinghies are separate from 2. 10m-30m yachts and separate from 3. ocean going sailing ships (with multiple masts)

It is rare to see an expert in all three D1gggg (talk) 18:04, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Where I sail we have lots of dinghies and keelboats all sailing from the same facilities and sailing together on the water. Many of us (including me) have sailed both.

This WikiProject gathers together editors interested in improving articles about sailing, why would we want to break that up, especially when there are only about three of us actively working on it at present?

Some WikiProjects have sub-projects, usually called "task forces". For instance Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation has a Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Aviation accident task force. - Ahunt (talk) 18:12, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

It is true that many sailors previously (or ever) operated dinghies, but it is not true that every dingy operator operated a better equipped 10-20m yacht.

I think my question is not about current editors, but about all members (even outside Wikipedia)

I'm not experienced with big projects here. It should be separate task forces (probably). D1gggg (talk) 18:23, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Well if we had lots of editors here with different interests within sailing then it might make sense to start some sub-projects to give space to discuss and organize, but as I said, with only about three of us doing sailing articles right now there aren't a lot of reasons to start sub-projects, unless you know new people who would join if they were started. - Ahunt (talk) 18:41, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

I think that manufacturers is a specialized interest.

I don't know how it has been done with cars/engines/manufactures. D1gggg (talk) 19:02, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Actually the designer and manufacturer articles interface well with the boat articles. You can see a good example at Tanzer Industries. This has links to dinghies, keelboats, a designer biography and a list, plus a nav box that ties it all together. Together that family of related articles paints a picture of a manufacturer and the boats they built, all together. Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft does the same thing as in this case BDC Aero Industrie a manufacturer and the aircraft they build: BDC Aero Puma. The aircraft can't really be dealt with separately outside the aircraft project as the subjects are closely related, just like the boats and the manufacturer are tied here. - Ahunt (talk) 19:25, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

"Tanzer Industries" is a direct interest in Wikipedia:WikiProject Companies but not so direct for Sailing (transportation using wind power) D1gggg (talk) 19:53, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

They were a company that built sailboats, so I would argue that the article is of interest to both WikiProjects. It is common to see talk page templates for multiple WikiProjects on many articles. Hopefully they attract more editors to expand and improve the articles, which is what we want, as it builds the encyclopedia. - Ahunt (talk) 19:59, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

I don't question this.

Problem is that it is difficult to find set of articles to update among 23000 stubs.

On contrast, it might be "200 jewelry manufacturers" and "300 mall boat manufacturers"

This problem is not evident yet with Sailing project (3510 total articles). D1gggg (talk) 20:30, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Well you are welcome to add Wikipedia:WikiProject Companies assessments to any boat manufacturers. Here are some more I started: Mirage Yachts, CS Yachts and Ranger Yachts. - Ahunt (talk) 20:50, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Same question, we don't have "WikiProject boat manufacturers" yet: only "sailing" or "companies" D1gggg (talk) 21:03, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Device?

Device used to measure current depth.

It is also used to assist light vessels when they run aground. D1gggg (talk) 20:54, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Depth sounder? - Ahunt (talk) 20:56, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

No, it is very primitive tool: a log with foot markings.

It is not used on ocean going yachts and deep rivers.

I have hard time to find word for it in modern languages. D1gggg (talk) 21:07, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Fathom sounding line? - Ahunt (talk) 21:14, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Not a line, but solid piece of wood, several meters long, couple inches in diameter, but should be capable to handle weight of the floating vessel.

Some heavy motorboats are using it too.

It had specific regional words, but most of them are archaic. D1gggg (talk) 21:32, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, then. That one is outside my knowledge! - Ahunt (talk) 22:14, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

US or North American Championships

An issue has come up at Paul Coleman (sailor), about whether the Clifford Day Mallory Cup that the article subject won in 1983 is properly described as the United States Adult Sailing Championship or the North American Championships. US Sailing refer to it as the former, which seems pretty authoritative, but contemporary sources such as this call it the North American Men's Sailing Championships. Has the event been reclassified since 1983, or is there some other explanation? Does anyone know? Cordless Larry (talk) 08:18, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

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Draft:Minisail (dinghy)

Is anyone here interested in adopting this abandoned draft? Espresso Addict (talk) 03:07, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Category:Yachtsmen?

Hello. Is there a category for yachtsmen please?Zigzig20s (talk) 01:33, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

New boat models/specs

I am interested in joining the WikiProject with a keen interest in sailing topics. I am an owner of several boats with a couple of Pearson Yachts. I improved the Pearson Yachts page with more models and I am trying to "beef up" the Pearson coverage by adding new models - similar to what I see has been done with C&C Yachts. But I cannot get my first page approved with comments like "not enough independent coverage". I am confused what coverage is needed to add a new model and specs. I have failed three times and ready to give up - unless anyone has any tips on how to get these types of pages approved? Draft:Pearson 323 Sailod (talk) 16:34, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

I have been watching your progress there. Your article is having trouble with a lack on independent refs to establish notability and also the tone makes it sound more like a fan piece than an encyclopedia article. I just started Marlow-Hunter 37, you might want to give it a read to see both the sort of independent refs and tone we use. - Ahunt (talk) 18:09, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips, I need to think about Operational History... And thanks for reverting the Ensign page, I got a little carried away when I thought there was missing information. Maybe this is not for me... Sailod (talk) 21:43, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

I probably should mention that it could have been tagged as a WP:COPYRIGHT, too, as it was all copied from the brochure, so please do watch that. - Ahunt (talk) 03:59, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

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Move material from Windjammer to Sailing ship?

I invite editors to participate in discussions at Talk:Windjammer#Windjammer is a colloquialism, not a class of ship. and Talk:Sailing ship#Bring substance of "Windjammer" article here about whether to move the substance of Windjammer to Sailing ship. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 17:18, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

I suggest an alternate solution to rename Windjammer to Iron sailing ship. Please comment at: Talk:Windjammer#Proposed new name: "Iron sailing ship". Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 14:33, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

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Broach (sailing) - problems?

I have just highlighted some problems with this article on Talk:Broach (sailing) - whilst I believe I know enough to see what is wrong (I think!) I am not sure I have the resources to fix the problem with the article. Hence the appeal to other editors. If nothing else, the article is entirely based on modern racing yachts, whilst sailing vessels have been broaching for 100s of years before this type of craft came into existence.ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 20:49, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Sourcing information on types/classes

Some of the best sources of information types/classes of leisure boats are in the yachting press. Sailing magazines used to have published indices, and you could request a reprint, typically if you were looking to buy an old boat and want to read the review when it first came out. This doesn't seem to be available now. Any ideas on how to access this huge mine of sources. I just got a reprint from Yachting World, from Oyster yachts, of one of their current models. If we could get hold of such things it would be great! Maybe when boatyards are still in existence we can ask them, but many have gone out of business. Billlion (talk) 10:32, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

New comments for WikiProject Sailing

Ahunt Thanks for your comments about signing up for the WikiProject Sailing. I like the way you use tabs on your user page, so have borrowed the idea. The tab on "templates" is new to me so I've started with "Aamerican Aviation" because I have an Uncle Girard B. Henderson who bought Grumman American Aviation Corporation and later sold it. He invested in Gulfstream American Hustler and I have brochures of this airplane.

Perhaps you can review Elwood Walter, No. 7 – There is a discussion at Elwood Walter, No. 7 moved to draftspace whether there is the required in-depth coverage. I have made additional changes. I also posted this to Wikipedia:WikiProject Sailing/Articles needing work. --Greg Henderson 22:43, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. Sure feel free to use anything you like from my user page. The same tab system is used here on WikiProject Sailing, too. I have read the article and it looks okay to me. The only changes I would make are to focus on the one boat that is the subject and leave the other related boats for their own articles, except for a passing mention of each, just to keep the article on topic, tight and focused. I have to admit I never use the "draft" process as it is slow, labourious and everything gets turned down over and over again. I prefer to just write mainspace articles directly where they will get edited and improved, instead. - Ahunt (talk) 23:04, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Naming convention classes

Folks,

Since some time I'm working on the documentation about the Olympic sailing regatta's, The (former) Olympic classes and their sailors and in special at this moment the Soling. In the pages of the classes the name of the class is used e.g. 12 Metre, 6 Metre, Soling and others. When there are more pages with the same name the name off the classes are made disambigues by adding the type of boat to the title like Flying Dutchman (dinghy) or Dragon (keelboat). So far so good. This convention works through out Wikipedia like in pages as Sailing at the 1968 Summer Olympics – Finn and Category:Sailors at the 1968 Summer Olympics – Flying Dutchman. However there is one series of names in use that is using another convention. That are the categories that groups the sailors in a certain class like the Finn sailors. The category name in that case is Category:Finn class sailors or Category:Star class sailors. In my opinion this should be Category:Finn sailors or Category:Star sailors. This applies as well for categories like Category:Flying Dutchman class world champions what in my opinion should be Category:Flying Dutchman world champions and so on. The current situation has, in my opinion, also a side effect that is that it reads as a qualification of the sailor. Category:Soling class sailors tells me that the sailor is from Soling class. This sounds to me like "Triple A" or "Bio food". This comes very clear by the Category:Star class sailors. This can also generate questions like: who is a better sailor an Laser class sailor or a 49er class sailor. I spent most of my life (over 60 years) in sailing Internationally (former) Olympic classes and I hardly met anyone who talks that he sails the Yngling class or a 470 class. They speak that they sail Yngling or 470 and so on.

• Proposal: change the Category names from x class … to x …. For example Soling class sailors in to Soling sailors and Flying Dutchman class world champions into Flying Dutchman world champions.

I'm looking forward to your response. Dragon Genoa (talk) 08:41, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

• Note that this relates to WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 April 13#Category:Soling_Sailors (and 2 other discussions on the same page), where editors are trying to clean up the mess created by a series of out-of-process category moves by Dragon Genoa. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:17, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Please sign you notes! Yes the editing was done outside the, for me at that time unknown process, again my apologies for that, but yes it was done clean and without leaving a mess. It was done for the Soling without changing the full mechanism of the involved categories at all. So please do not frame this conversation. Best regards Dragon Genoa (talk) 10:06, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose anything that removes the word "class". Without the word "class", many of the subcategories of Category:Sailors (sport) by class will have a very different meaning. For example:

• Category:420 class sailors is clear, but without the word "class" it would be Category:420 sailors , which sounds like a large group.
• Category:2.4 Metre class sailors is clear, but without the word "class" it would be Category:2.4 Metre sailors, which sounds like a group of very tall sailors.
• [:Category:Solo class sailors]] is clear, but without the word "class" it would be Category:Solo sailors, i.e. single-handers
• Dragon Genoa's suggestion of changing Category:Star class sailors to Category:Star sailors creates a name whose primary meaning is very good sailors, rather than sailors of a particular class of boat.
• Dragon Genoa's suggestion of changing Category:Finn class sailors to Category:Finn sailors creates a name whose primary meaning is sailors who are Finns, rather than sailors of a particular class of boat.

I have no idea what the "Bio food" comment is about. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:29, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

The note about Triple A and Bio food is that it in some countries gives a quality status to products or services. Star class sailors sounds for me like sailors of Star class and not like Sailors who sail a Star. Dragon Genoa (talk) 10:06, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

The designers of the boat type give her name like 470 or Sonar without the word class. With the addition class it mostly refers to the class organization. Dragon Genoa (talk) 10:06, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Dragon Genoa, it is a pity that you have completely ignored my point about how your proposed change would not resolve any ambiguity, and would in fact create new ambiguities.

The marketers of a class can choose for it for it whatever name they like. The current naming convention does not change that name, but adds the word "class" to add clarity and avoid ambiguity. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:02, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@BrownHairedGirl, I still think that the category names now do not reflect the normal use within (former) Olympic classes. But I think this battle is over, I acknowledge my loss. I will go further with creating content. I have respect for you people who try to keep things strait.Dragon Genoa (talk) 18:52, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose anything that removes the word "class" - In English this is going to cause a lot of confusion, as outlined above. I don't see any good case to change this being made. - Ahunt (talk) 12:38, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose: While I appreciate the desire to reflect idiomatic speech, this is a categorization scheme whose clarity would be lost by dropping the word "class". HopsonRoad (talk) 13:13, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Eastern Yacht Club

This is a new article created about two weeks ago. Since it didn't pass through WP:AFC, perhaps someone from this WikiProject could take a look at it and assess it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:49, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for brining that here. I have reviewed it and it looks fine, meets WP:GNG. - Ahunt (talk) 02:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Notification of nomination for deletion of Walnut Valley Sailing Club

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Merge proposal between Louis Vuitton Cup and Herbert Pell Cup

Hi, I proposed a merge between those two articles on Talk:Louis Vuitton Cup#Merge with Herbert Pell Cup proposal. I invite you all to take part in the discussion.Rpo.castro (talk) 17:18, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

SailGP draft articles created

I have created draft articles for the 2019 and 2020–21 seasons, and would appreciate assistance in expanding the articles and filling in results.
5225_C (talk • contributions) 01:15, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Great articles. Thanks. simon (talk) 10:57, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for these. I've just worked on updating/expanding some of the SailGP articles - specifically, the F50 and SailGP pages. Hopefully they're alright. I'm pretty new to Wikipedia so I'm not sure whether everything's worked out. I'm planning on creating/expanding on articles of the individual sailors involved, especially as some are out of date... NixV (talk) 15:35, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Articles about classes: general info and first sentence

1. I am not an expert but I've noticed that at least for articles about olympic classes some important general info is missing for most of them. The information in question is, is the class in question One-Design / Monotype class or Construction class / Development class?

2. First sentence. Some classes have good first sentence that summarizes the boat like Flying Dutchman (FD) is a 20-foot one-design high-performance two-person monohull racing dinghy., The 470 (Four-Seventy) is a double-handed monohull [info under 1. is missing] planing dinghy with a centreboard, Bermuda rig, and centre sheeting., The 49er and 49er FX is a two-handed [info under 1. is missing] skiff-type high-performance sailing dinghy. but there are other that have insufficient sentences like The O-Jolle – (Olympiajolle) – was created as the Monotype class for the, The 12 m2 Sharpie was designed in 1931 by the Kröger Brothers in Warnemünde, Germany., [Windglider] For the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics,[1] the Olympic board choice was between the original Windsurfer One Design, [Division II (windsurf board)] The 1988 Olympics,[1] saw the introduction of Lechner Division II boards.

3. Monohulls/Catamarans used at olympics are small, described as Dinghy-sized or Beach catamarans to distinguish them from regular catamarans, as keelboat is distinguished from sailing yacht. I think the first sentence of the article about those classes should contain that size attribute. The Tornado is a double handed multihull class , The Nacra 17 is a performance catamaran used for sailing.

I don't know if this you see this as something that needs to be corrected. In my opinion it is, especially 1st and 3rd points. Setenzatsu.2 (talk) 19:37, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, indeed, some good points, as per WP:LEDE. Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, so feel free! - Ahunt (talk) 19:54, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Sailors Notability

I am having wikipedia policies quoted at me as I try to create pages for every competitor in the Vendee Globe the policy that keeps getting quoted is Wikipedia:Notability (sports) which you will notes creates policies for lots of none international sports. Unfortunately sailing relies on the Olympic sports section which is broad enough to really cover our diverse sport. For this reason I would like to draft a section and ask if anyone is hot on wikipedia procedures and how we then get it properly accepted for inclusion in the section.

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Current policy

• Athletes from any sport are presumed notable if they have competed at the modern Olympic Games, including the Summer Olympics (since 1896) or the Winter Olympics (since 1924), or have won a medal at the Paralympic Games; e.g., Ian Thorpe or Laurentia Tan
• Nations participating at an individual Summer or Winter Olympic or Paralympic Games are presumed notable, e.g., United States at the 2008 Summer Olympics or Great Britain at the 2002 Winter Paralympics
• Sports at individual Summer or Winter Olympic or Paralympic Games are presumed notable, e.g., Archery at the 2004 Summer Olympics or Wheelchair curling at the 2006 Winter Paralympics
• Events at individual Summer or Winter Olympic or Paralympic Games are presumed notable, e.g., Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's road race or Skeleton at the 2010 Winter Olympics – Women's

Proposed Policy
Sailors are presumed notable if they have

• 1) Athletes who have competed or qualified for the Olympic Games,

Sailors are presumed notable if they have

• 2) Won a World Sailing recognized World Championship
  
• 3) Competed in a World Sailing Special Events
  
• 4) Competed in the Vendee Globe or Barcelona World Race or it predecessors
  
• 5) Set a World Record recognised by World Speed Sailing Records Council and the profile meets the minimum requirements
  
• 6) designer of equipment used for notable events
  

and there profiles contain the following minimum information (a) Contains (infobox sailors) (b) Name (c) nationality (d) details of achievements with appropriate referencing

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(The logic is as follows:
Clause 1 is inline with every other olympic sport
Clause 2 get the world champions in without being overly open to be honest I hope no one creates pages more than the significant
Clause 3 gets the america cup, PWA World Tour, The Ocean Race (but not the Corinthian events)
Clause 4 get the adventures in world sailing cannot used for these as they don't endorse these events
Clause 5 Limits record holders to those that actually mean something and stop discussion over what is a record
Clause 6 this notability section doesn't seem limited to just athlete so who else do we want

Note: this excludes all national level athlete and is quite strict on World Championship competitors given the 120+ titles sailing award and excludes coaches so could be argued to be significantly harder than other sports if we need to justify it. Your input would be gratefully appreciate as would someone able to take this forwards as I do not understand WP Policies to this level.

Thinking of user that may have a view I have tagged the following people Smartskaft John B123 user:Onel5969 Yachty4000 (talk) 22:48, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Support conditionally. First, I think it would be useful to have an SN in this area. Second, I definitely agree with #'s 1, 2, 3, and 5; and I'm not adverse to #4, but I don't have enough knowledge about the sport to comment on it. However, I do have an issue with #6. Sports equipment designers should really have to meet WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:08, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Comment - if and when this SN is approved, please remember to also include it over at WP:NSPORTS. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:09, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Support in principle - As above, a WP:SNG for sailing would be really useful. I don't know enough about sailing to comment on the merits of individual races, so will leave that to those with more knowledge. A definitive list of "World Sailing recognized World Championships" and "World Sailing Special Events" would be useful. Designer of equipment used for notable events may need further clarification. Does it refer solely to major item, such as the designer of the yacht, or to lesser things such as an improved fitting? As this is a notability guideline, you can't include style items such as an infobox. Nationality can also be problematic in some cases. --John B123 (talk) 00:06, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

All sensible comments happy to lose the designer, I just wanted to promote thought as in a lot of ways the engineers are as important as the sailors in some parts of the sport. Other sports bring coaches etc into the there notability section. I think if you research the Vendee Globe and its media profile and heritage you will quickly understand why it is important. Lets hope we get some more contributors get involved so we can present it on the group behalf. I agree it should also go in WP:NSPORTS thanks for bring this to our attention. A way to define a pages minimal acceptable content would be useful if there are any precedents. Yachty4000 (talk) 00:28, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Hard-won experience: It is fine to discuss this here, but please note that a few editors on a WikiProject cannot just create a new Wikipedia policy or even a Wikipedia editing guideline. We have run into this on other WikiProjects over very longstanding ways of doing things, only to be told that any project consensus will end up as an "essay" and must comply with the existing policies in place. If you want to change the policies then the only way to do that is to propose changes to the actual polices. Warning: this is hard to do. You can't just make up new Wikipedia polices here and expect them to stick. - Ahunt (talk) 00:58, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia procedure and policy are something I avoid I just add content I believe is of significant interest in a factual way. The problem is the policy are being enforced by people that don't understand the subject matter. So we need a policy for sailing fit for purpose. I plan to move this discussion to the talk section of the policy but it would really help me to have the concensus of this specialist group. I have tagged the following members in the hope they will support the policy. USer tagged Smartskaft Dragon Genoa mindfrieze Data2 Curb Safe Charmer Happysailor NED33Penfold77Aloha27 Any comment here will help me before trying to get the policy changed however I do that.

Yachty4000 (talk) 18:12, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

• Support, other than #6. I believe designers should have to meet WP:GNG or WP:NCORP. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 10:58, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
• Support- Agree with the principle as long as there is adequate coverage in reliable sources. Regards,   Aloha27  talk  23:05, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
• Support: It's a good idea, and I don't see a reason to oppose what you've said. NixV (talk) 15:41, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata project Sailing

Hi. If you're interested in improving the data about sailing stored in Wikidata, consider joining this sister project Wikidata:WikiProject_Sailing. Project is very recent, any help would be really great! For the moment you will find: few data models, some tools and queries and a first draft of todo list. You can also comment on this property creation proposal USCG MIC ID or these entity schema creation proposals (boat_manufacturing_company, sailboat_class, sailboat). Best, simon (talk) 01:58, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Cannabis and sports

New stub: Cannabis and sports. Any project members care to help expand? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:01, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Score standards for sailing events

Hi WikiProject Sailing Team, I have been helping to update the scores and add citations for the sailing events for various countries at Tokyo 2020 Olympics and have noticed that different countries have different standards with regards to the scores. Can I clarify on the following with regards to standardization?

For:
1) () bracket i.e exclude scores. Should excluded scores be strike-through or not?
2) Do scores with Flags e.g. UFD/BFD/DSQ/DNF/DNE need to be displayed? I see quite a few pages with FLAG only with no scores and these Flag abbreviations are strike-though accordingly depending on whether there are brackets for that score(I saw a DNE score with no brackets). I have re-add the scores and strike-though the scores instead of the FLAG abbreviations for now but thought to clarify here.

3) For countries with sailors who do not qualify for medal races, is it ok to add the current citations results up to today without medal races as it's not applicable to them?(medal race not done at this point)

Thanks for the clarification. Atom105 (talk) 16:24, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Bill Pinkney

Hello, I recently created an article for Bill Pinkney (sailor). He was the first African American to sail around the world solo via the capes. I have not worked on an article about a sailor before and do not know the best resources. Any help with the article would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 23:57, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

There certainly is some scope there for expansion! - Ahunt (talk) 23:59, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Marcel de Kerviler at AfD

Hi. Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:03, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Requesting review of draft article

Hello, the draft article Draft:Ashbridge's Bay Yacht Club is awaiting review. It would be great if anyone here is able to help out. Thanks! Eb.eric (talk) 18:25, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

AfD

Hi. Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

MfD of Template:Sailing result line

Discussion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:Sailing result line -- Ohc ^{revolution of our times} 06:04, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

AfD for Chester Yacht Club

Here is an AfD discussion for Chester Yacht Club which may be of interest to this WikiProject:

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Chester_Yacht_Club

Cielquiparle (talk) 22:11, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

BattyBot does not recognize WPSAILING

Per this weird edit by BattyBot (talk · contribs) [4] It does not seem to understand that WikiProject Sailing exists, or the shortcut {{WPSAILING}} at least. -- 65.92.246.191 (talk) 16:15, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

I think you are right there, but you will need to take that up with the bot operator. We can't do much from here. - Ahunt (talk) 16:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Update -- bot owner has fixed the problem -- 65.92.246.191 (talk) 05:22, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Great, thanks for handling it! - Ahunt (talk) 13:20, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

No problemo -- 65.92.246.191 (talk) 21:31, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Help needed, Madagascan traditional(?) rig

Does any Wikipedia editor with an understanding of traditional sailing rigs have any knowledge of the sailing outrigger canoes (Lakana, also called pirogue) of Madagascar? Even better would be someone with photos or video footage that show how a certain rig configuration works.

Madagascar - Traditional fishing Lakana

The problem is with the article Lakana, which also feeds into Austronesian peoples – and it concerns the only picture on Commons of that craft, which is shown here. The question is, what rig is on the boat in the picture? How can we prove that?

There are two traditional rigs that are known to exist, one is lateen and the other is a mastless rig (yes, that is right), as in[5]. The mastless rig uses two vertical booms to extend the sail out of the hull and they have a distinctive V-shaped configuration when viewed from astern. It is essentially a downwind rig and is used by the fishermen to sail out in the morning on the land breeze and back in the afternoon on the sea breeze. Because it only has one surface of the sail on the windward side, it is (technically) a square sail (as opposed to fore and aft, which can have either surface on the windward side).

I don't think the picture in Commons shows either of these rig types. I have found some other photos on line of what appears to be the same type of vessel. They are [6],[7],[8],[9]. Here is a video of a French model-maker[10] – at 9:18 is a labelled diagram of the component parts.

I believe that this is a third rig type that has not been included in the historic, traditional rigs that have been recorded. Unfortunately, another editor insists that the image in Commons is of the mastless, V-sparred configuration, downwind sailing rig. I don't think that is right, but I do not have a source to prove it. I won't say here what I believe the rig shown is, as I don't want to prejudice anyone's thinking.

I think the ideal way to prove things would be a video of one of these boats changing tack. Do you either have such a video, or a better idea?

For the record, there has been a rather "difficult" discussion on this at Talk:Austronesian_peoples#lakana

Thanks ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 19:28, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Mass draftification proposal on Olympians

You may be interested in this village pump discussion on the mass draftification of nearly one thousand Olympians. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:12, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:46, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Sailboat type designs

It looks a user has blended the categories Category:Sailboat type designs by (Name of designer) and Category:Sailing yachts by (Name of designer) in Category:Sailboat type designs by designer. If it is the will of the project to merge the two categories (sailboat type designs and individual sailing yacht designs), the categories should be renamed to a name fitting both types. Moreover, the categories should be sorted in Lastname, Firstname when involving people not Firstname Lastname (WP:PEOPLECAT) Kaffet i halsen (talk) 16:01

• , 4 May 2023 (UTC)
• == Glossary of nautical terms: references ==
• I have tagged Glossary of nautical terms (A–L) and Glossary of nautical terms (M–Z) with "More citations needed". There are many terms in this glossary without any sort of reference. (I note that where a term is linked to an article, then we can go to the article for referencing – presuming that the definitions are the same in each.) ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 08:06, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
• ==Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports § Suggestion: Changing "Achievements and titles" order in Template:Infobox sportsperson==
•  You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports § Suggestion: Changing "Achievements and titles" order in Template:Infobox sportsperson. This invitation comes as this WikiProject's {{[[Template:

Infobox sailor| Infobox sailor]]}} is a wrapper of {{Infobox sportsperson}}. CLalgo (talk) 10:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hobie Cat

Please look at this article and deletion discussion and share your opinion pro or con. Thanks, A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 02:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

World Sailing Sailor Profile and Referencing

A lot of posts have recently been adjusted to User:AHunt who has concerns regarding referencing. It seems to me that being able to utilise one data entry so that <{{>flagathlete|Paul Elvstrøm|DEN<}}> or Paul Elvstrøm (DEN) could be utilised as the following <{{>flagathlete|Paul Elvstrøm|DENPE1<}}> so providing referencing by <Paul Elvstrøm at World Sailing>

Maybe the following template Template:Sailor could be adjusted to achieve this as touching flagathlete would be highly political.

My knowledge of coding isn't good enough todo this.

Yachty4000 (talk) 23:36, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Notification of nomination for deletion of Sirius 26

This is to inform the members of this Wikiproject, within the scope of which this article falls, that this article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sirius 26. - Ahunt (talk) 01:41, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Hunter 20 Fox C

The article Hunter 20 Fox C is being considered for deletion.

These are the first sentences from the article:

• "The Hunter 20 Fox C is a 20 ft keelboat designed by David Thomas and currently produced by British Hunter boats. It was produced by Select Yachts until 2008, but the design was bought by British Hunter when trading ceased."

Please share your assessments of this article, positive or negative.

Thanks, A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 16:38, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Another RfC on capitalization of all our articles

I thought this was a done deal back in this 2022 RFC but obviously not. A handful of editors did another rfc with no sports projects input at all. And it's being challenged because we just noticed it. This could affect almost every single tennis and Olympic article we have, and goodness know how many other sports. Some may have already been moved it you weren't watching the article. And not just the article titles will be affected but all the player bios that link to the articles. Sure the links would be piped to the right place if thousands of articles moved, but if the wording in a bio still said 2023 Wimbledon Championships – Men's singles or Swimming at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's 200 metre backstroke that would likely need to be changed by hand. There is also talk of removing the ndash completely.

Perhaps this is what sports projects want and perhaps not. Either way I certainly don't want projects ill-informed as the last RfC was handled. Express your thoughts at the following rfc. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:56, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Photo needed for Heaving to

Heaving to could really do with a photo of a modern yacht hove to, if only to balance the historic painting I have added of a square rigged vessel. If there isn't one on commons, does anyone have a snap they have taken that may be suitable?

The article already has an informative diagram. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 11:54, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Please fix my father and uncle's names

Glenn Corcorran and Murray Corcorran are the designers of the Dolphin 15 Senior and the Dolphin 17. As they are both deceased, I (Murray's daughter, Glenn's niece) am trying to fix their legacy on every site I find it on because it is wrong everywhere. Their last names were Corcorran with 3Rs. Thank you! If you need proof of who I am and what their last name was, please feel free to reach out and I can provide you with anything you need. Shesasue (talk) 22:29, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

{{done}} Confirmed by this citation: HopsonRoad (talk) 23:14, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Shesasue (talk) 04:29, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

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