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10 Years

Wednesday the 1 Febraury 2017 will be the tenth anniversary of in person activities in Western Australia, we cant let this pass by without some fanfare any thoughts. Gnangarra 12:31, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

There are likely page watchers/ low edit editors who need to be reminded regularly that this is an opportunity not to be lost JarrahTree 07:17, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

I've restored this section, which was auto-archived due to inactivity. Mitch Ames (talk) 00:45, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

In February 2017 the Perth group ...will celebrate its 10th Anniversary That's what I like to see - a commitment. Not only will the anniversary occur, but we will celebrate. So - details of the celebration anyone? Mitch Ames (talk) 05:48, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

The anniversary if fast approaching. Does anybody have any ideas? Mitch Ames (talk) 07:32, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

There are plans - not yet announced JarrahTree 09:09, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

1 February 2017

Late notice but meetup scheduled for 1st February 2017 see:Wikipedia:Meetup/Perth/33 -- Gnangarra 04:29, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Categorizing Noongar people

Editors are invited to comment at Category talk:Noongar people#categorizing Noongar people, on the scope of that category. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:56, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Centenary of Albany, Western Australia

Editors are invited to comment at Talk:Centenary of Albany, Western Australia#One event or many? on the lead sentence for that article. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:54, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

CFD Closed

For those interested (or not) the Perth/Perth, Western Australia - CFD (not the first, and probably not the last...) at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_January_1#Category:_Perth.2C_Western_Australia - has been resolved as keep - which means the status quo, for the moment has been sustained by the arguments at the CFD. JarrahTree 10:02, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Perth Meetup 35

Please note that the different circumstances of the meetup number 35 on April 7th.

something different - and possibly unique to have multiple WMF employees on hand here in Perth!

(for those who do not realise one of our local wikipedians is one)

Make a note - it should be interesting JarrahTree 14:19, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiTown/Freopedia/Articles/Round 1 articles

Could an administrator please move Wikipedia:WikiTown/Freopedia/Articles/Round 1 articles from Category:Freopedia (a container category) into Category:WikiTown Freopedia project pages where it probably belongs. (The page is protected, so I can't do it myself.) Mitch Ames (talk) 13:37, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Note - contested - there is no obvious attempt by mitch to actually discuss the arrangement of the categories with fellow participants, and at this stage there is no sign that the arrangements of the categories have been adequately discussed as to which system is to be the final - probably belongs is making an assumption as we are in the middle of a re-arrangement of freopedia material, and there has not been a consensus arrived discussion anywhere about this direction yet. JarrahTree 14:08, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Given that:

• Category:Freopedia has been a container category - and as such "should only contain subcategories" - since 2014,
• WP:SUBCAT has been a generally-accepted guideline for some years
• There's no obvious discussion that I can find that says we're just going to ignore the above points

I didn't feel the need to ask permission first before I:

• moved non-category pages out of a category that clearly states that it should only contain subcategories
• moved pages from a parent category into a more specific child category, per WP:SUBCAT
• removed pages from a parent category when the page is already in a child of that parent, per WP:SUBCAT

But feel free to post a link to the discussion where everybody else agreed that we'd just ignore the banners at the top of the container categories, and ignore SUBCAT. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:53, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

• Given that the Round 1 articles page has been in the category since 2013, perhaps it shouldn't have been marked as a container cat in the first place. Note also that the subcats are automatically populated by the {{Freopedia}} banner (see template doc); I'm not sure it makes sense to mix those auto-categorised talk pages with manually-categorised non-talk pages. - Evad37 [talk] 00:32, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

• • Note the original modifications were part of a possible change to the way the project is titled, and organised - It (the process of change was regarding the project direction and possible modifications to names of items) has not yet been established exactly which direction - which is why it is not clear at this point, which is why playing with cats and their context and meanings is missing the point completely) is still in process.. and is pointless to get to this stage of discussing the cats - the rationale behind the change has not been clarified - which makes this discussion all the further pointless JarrahTree 02:36, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
• since its not a container category but rather a project maintenance category I have removed the container tag, when the page in question there was an assumption that further rounds of plaques would take place, there was a small subset created for FPA but no page was created to list them at the time. Gnangarra 10:53, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

OK, so Category:Freopedia is no longer a container category, but my point re WP:SUBCAT remains. I know they're project pages not article pages, but is there any reason why we ought not apply SUBCAT here? Also, as Evad37 points out, {{Freopedia}} puts pages into sub-categories automatically, and mixing manual- and auto-categorization may not be helpful. Although I notice that some of the pages in question don't have {{Freopedia}} on their talk pages - Wikipedia talk:WikiTown/Freopedia/Bibliography, Wikipedia talk:WikiTown/Freopedia/Fremantle Studies. Perhaps they should?

JarrahTree you have mentioned:

• being "in the middle of a re-arrangement of freopedia material"
• "... a possible re-arrangement, ...There may be a complete re-shuffle of things in the short term."
• "... It (the process of change was regarding the project direction and possible modifications to names of items) has not yet been established exactly which direction ... ) is still in process ..."

Please provide a link to the discussions about these proposed changes. It might help if I had some idea as to what was "in process". In any case resolving these anomalies in the categorization now may not be necessary, but it does not hurt. In fact I suggest that future changes might be easier if what we currently have conforms to some sort of overall plan - it's easier to change from one set of consistency to a different set of consistency than it is to change things to a new plan when only some things are initially consistent with the old plan. Mitch Ames (talk) 10:28, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

There is no specific resolved written plan it is simply something at discussions and throwing ideas around stage - the question is to whether (a) create something somewhere that explains the wikitown idea and process - wiki-wide, rather than here - there is an idea, but it hasnt gone as far as a central explanatory point to explain it and the processes involved (b) leave the wikitown term out completely and simply have independent 'xxxpedias' - again this is not the place for this. As part of next sundays meetup - it might be discussed, and as it actually is a number of steps up where it might be discussed. Please desist quoting from re-cycled comments, it is incredibly offputting, thanks JarrahTree 11:32, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Perth Meetup 34

Update on the 12th March meetup at Meetup 34]

JarrahTree 13:07, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Fremantle West End Heritage area --> West End, Fremantle

Editors are invited to contribute at Talk:Fremantle West End Heritage area#Requested move 6 March 2017. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:38, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Possible article subject

It came to my attention that Perth's "colourful" union leader Joe McDonald does not have an article listed at the Joseph McDonald disambiguation page. As described in this article, he is retiring after 30 years in the business, with regular news coverage for most of that time. There must be a plethora of information about him out there for anyone interested in having a look. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 04:47, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Agreed - would make a good topic. The Drover's Wife (talk) 05:11, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh Wise and wonderful wikiproject page watchers

[1] - we have no western australian tourism awards article - and question has appeared upon the national noticeboard.

An interesting test of the watchers - no online record of the typical government website capacity - what? we have no history variety... JarrahTree 01:30, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

But the silence of the watchers can be countered by... http://trove.nla.gov.au/result?q=western%20australian%20tourism%20award - the answer is in the library...

Allusion to the watchers is - Number of page watchers 84 - recent watches 25 JarrahTree 01:46, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Special Event

Wikimeetup 35 - Perth - Meetup for April 2017

Location: Total BS & Co Cafe Bar & Restaurant, 185 St Georges Tce Perth Date: Friday 7th April 2017 Time: 6.00 - 8.00pm

Will include meeting with attendees at the WWW conference in Perth at the same time.

Wiki Workshop 2017 is part of the WWW conference.

See Wikipedia:Meetup/Perth/35 for more of the details. JarrahTree 12:19, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Gilmore (1824 ship) at Swan River Colony

Was Gilmore (1824 ship) the same ship that visited the Swan River Colony in 1829? Discussion at WT:SHIPS#Gilmore (1824 ship). Mitch Ames (talk) 14:22, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Ships is not Australian maritime history oriented, tends to be 20th century us military... The answer is that if you have a trove reference that suggests it is, use it, as extra records for that era from independent sources would probably been about zilch JarrahTree 14:55, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Happy to say that User:AcadRonin has solved the problem, youre lucky mitch JarrahTree 23:00, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Education in Western Australia

Hi all, working on improving the Education in Western Australia page and other Education related pages that need it, too. Would appreciate feedback on this. Also, I did pose the question on Talk:Education_in_Western_Australia but would post here. Would it be appropriate to include any other information on galleries, libraries, museums? Have seen it on other international pages, but not on local pages. Ingenious27 (talk) 02:26, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Popular pages report

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BiblioTech - SLWA

Kaya

We are now settled into our space in the State Library of Western Australia the project is a Resident Wikimedian project in collaboration with SLWA, WMAU, and WA Branch. Someone will be in the room on weekdays from 10am until at least 2 if not later. If you want to use the space contact JarrahTree, Gnangarra or SamWilson for those who want help editing that is part of what we are there for drop in, in fact just drop in if you are near the area - all are welcome. see https://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/BiblioTech_Collaboration for details Gnangarra 08:46, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Strategy Survey

You might have seen the banners at the top of the page - linking to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Strategy_2017

Now you have the opportunity to be involved in the process and the discussion - there will be the West Australian Branch meetup on Saturday 3rd June 2017 in the BiblioTech State Library where a short presentation about the strategy process will be given.

The following Saturday 10th June 2017 will be a more widely publicised and public event. Where possible, local members are encouraged to help out at that event if possible please.

Further information can be obtained from strategy@wikimedia.org.au if necessary.

Place: BiblioTech room, Floor one, Alexander Library Building, State Library of Western Australia, 25 Francis Street, Perth Cultural Centre

Time: 1 p.m. - 3 p.m.

Dates: Saturday 3rd June and Saturday 10th June 2017

JarrahTree 10:39, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Toodyaypedia stage 3

I've uploaded the text of some new draft articles from the Shire. Details at Wikipedia:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia/Stage 3. Also see Wikipedia talk:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia/Stage 3 for outstanding items for discussion, comment, etc. Mitch Ames (talk) 06:29, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Sharks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Western_Australian_shark_cull

For the interest of those interested in such items JarrahTree 10:26, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Toodyay vs West Toodyay vs Newcastle

How are we going to disambiguate these, especially in the use of Toodyay give the growing number of West Toodyay articles which talk of Toodyay(now West Toodyay). My thoughts are for disambiguation we should be using West Toodyay as for all practical reasons that is where the sites are. While we arent suppose to create new things in the text maybe we should use something like Old Toodyay with a link to the Naming of Toodyay, Western Australia article in the first instance. thoughts please Gnangarra 05:47, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Historically and geographically speaking Current Toodyay and Newcastle are the same and Old Toodyay and West Toodyay are the same. JarrahTree 07:15, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Further to the above and Talk:The Highland Laddie, Toodyay#Article name and especially https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=West_Toodyay_Bridge&curid=54225561&diff=787561201&oldid=787560970, do we want to create and populate Category:Buildings and structures in West Toodyay, which currently does not exist. (Editors are reminded that "An article should never be left with a non-existent (redlinked) category on it. Either the category should be created, or else the link should be removed or changed to a category that does exist.") Mitch Ames (talk) 12:35, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

yeah started that yesterday but thought hold on until we decide on naming Gnangarra 00:05, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Given that West Toodyay is in Category:Heritage places in Toodyay, Western Australia, which (not surprisingly) is in Category:Toodyay, Western Australia, one might reasonably expect that Category:West Toodyay should be in Category:Toodyay, Western Australia and Category:Buildings and structures in West Toodyay should be in Category:Buildings and structures in Toodyay.
(Of course if we do put cat:West Toodyay into cat:Toodyay, etc, appropriate sacrifices to appease the gods of SUBCAT may be required. )
Mitch Ames (talk) 13:16, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

burnt offerings perhaps? ash relics? JarrahTree 13:39, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

surely diffused items can be further diffused if enough avon river water flows past and diffusion can take in such complexities as to confound the fiercest of subcat demons ? JarrahTree 14:10, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Per [2], West Toodyay is no longer in Category:Heritage places in Toodyay, Western Australia -- per [3], West Toodyay is not a subset of Toodyay, Western Australia -- so the problem disappears. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:12, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

There have been a few suggestions in recent e-mail conversations regarding the titles of the articles. I think that it would be advantageous to the project for these discussions to be on Wikipedia talk pages, particularly in light of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 June 29#Category:Buildings and structures in West Toodyay, so the summary below is an attempt to get the discussion (back) onto Wikipedia, while respecting the privacy of the off-wiki communications and real-life identities.

Proposal 1

that article titles be changed from Foo, Toodyay to Foo, “Old” Toodyay, now West Toodyay

Proposal 2

Foo at West Toodyay", with subheading West Toodyay formerly known as Toodyay or The original town of Toodyay or similar.

"... it needs to be clear, precise and easily accessed by Googling ... it is important to include the name ‘West Toodyay’ in a way that distinguishes it from the original town named ‘Toodyay’. And it also needs to be in done in a way which avoids confusion with the today’s Toodyay township."

My thoughts on proposal 1:

An article title like Military Barracks, "Old" Toodyay, now West Toodyay is unnecessarily complicated. "West Toodyay" would probably be better than "Old Toodyay" because the location is currently called West Toodyay; "Old Toodyay" is just too confusing.

On proposal 2:

An article title of "... at West Toodyay" is contrary to WP:ATDAB and WP:NCDAB, so we should stick to the comma or parentheses, whichever is appropriate.

So far as I know Wikipedia does not support subheadings. The lead sentence should unambiguously describe the topic including the location where relevant. In some cases I know the article explicitly says "West Toodyay" (example: The Queen's Head) but others (eg Military Barracks say "Toodyay, Western Australia" and probably ought be corrected.

I don't think Google is going to have a problem finding the article, especially if the first sentence includes the correct location - and in any case Wikipedia policies would take precedence over Google's algorithms.

Independently of the article titles and whether the articles themselves refer to Toodyay or West Toodyay or Old Toodyay, there may be merit in putting a {{notice}} on the articles (excluding West Toodyay itself), something like:

Mitch Ames (talk) 04:25, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

• what about to dab them all as Foo, West Toodyay current location, then create redirects at Foo, Toodyay and Foo, Old Toodyay or if necessary to put a hat note where a similar named current Toodyay location exists directing the reader to those articles. plus the above note but word it to cover all options including current Toodyay articles.

With a bit of Evad and Sams magic wand waving it could be a special more visually friendly template that could be specifically worded for which ever is the current location rather than the notice box.(Gnangarra) BiblioTech (talk) 02:08, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Article titles of Foo, West Toodyay would be OK. If nothing else "West Toodyay" is unambiguous (it only ever refers to one place, whereas "Toodyay" meant different places at different times). I'm a bit concerned about the amount of text in the 2nd {{notice}} box (even my initial proposal is a bit long for my liking) - I think we should try to keep it relatively short and uncluttered - the details are in the link targets, if the user wants to know - we should probably not have a potted history of the town(s) at the top of every page. (At the very least, delete the words "and its sources" - we're only concerned with the scope of the article, not the scope of the sources.) However perhaps an alternative would be a footnote (separate to references, eg see Notes vs References in Raffaele Martelli) which could put after the first reference to (the original) "Toodyay" in any article Foo, West Toodyay, where that reference to "Toodyay" is historically accurate (because that's what it was called at the time). A footnote is not as "in your face" as the {{notice}} so could be longer, with more detail, without being intrusive. Example:

The Church of Sancta Maria was the first Catholic church built in the original townsite of Toodyay in Western Australia.

Notes

References

The footnote text would be a template for ease of re-use. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:46, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

'West Toodyay' seems like the best disambiguation term, as it is not itself ambiguous. The notice boxes above are a bit too loud for articles, but a simpler version as a hatnote could work, e.g.

This article is about a [building/place/whatever] in West Toodyay (originally known as Toodyay), which should not be confused with the current Toodyay (previously known as Newcastle).

That lets readers know that what "Toodyay" refers to depends on context, with links for details if readers are interested – but without being too long or 'in-your-face', since the article prose should be providing context when appropriate. - Evad37 [talk] 16:52, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Evad37 that a {{hatnote}} would be better than a {{notice}} box. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:45, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Created as a template {{About West Toodyay}} - Evad37 [talk] 07:12, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

BiblioTECH partnership with State Library of Western Australia

Please see the details at Meta -

BiblioTECH with Wikimedia Australia banner

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Western_Australian_Branch_of_Wikimedia_Australia_at_the_State_Library_of_Western_Australia]

July will be a very busy time in the library - please see what interests you and come along to the events!

Saturday July 1st in the afternoon is our first workshop - out and about? come and check things out!

There will be a July meetup added to the agenda as well - probably a Sunday in the middle of the month.

More news on that soon. If you are in town, check the BiblioTECH facility out!

JarrahTree 14:12, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Wednesday 12th July

The first of three Wednesday night discussions coming up!!

Digitize and destroy, or digitize and preserve?

At the BiblioTECH room, First Floor, State Library of Western Australia - 5.30 p.m. to 7.00 p.m.

JarrahTree 07:20, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Wednesday 19th July

The second of the three Wednesday night discusssions coming up!!

Success and transgressions ?

At the BiblioTECH room, First Floor, State Library of Western Australia - 5.30 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.

JarrahTree 13:04, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Wednesday 2nd August

The third of the three Wednesnday night discussions coming up!

Distances and Isolation

Originally titled What fits? does Western Australia fit in an online encyclopedia, or does Wikipedia fit into Western Australia?

But as much about whether Western Australia's physical location and its distances and isolation effect its place in a global encyclopedia - and what the plusses and minuses about being where we are in Perth...

At the BiblioTECH room, First Floor, State Library of Western Australia - 5.30 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.

JarrahTree 12:01, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Toodyay pioneer heritage trail and West Toodyay - matching items with new articles

Does anyone know if the following items on Toodyay pioneer heritage trail correspond to the new articles:

• 11. Colonial School -- Toodyay Valley School?
• 12. Lock Up -- Toodyay Gaol?
• 13. Catholic Chapel -- Church of Sancta Maria, Toodyay?

Does anyone have copy of the Toodyay pioneer heritage trail that we could use to verify or identify the sites on the trail?

Likewise for items in West Toodyay#Historic significance:

• Colonial School -- Toodyay Valley School?
• Lock-up -- Toodyay Gaol?
• Police Barracks -- First Toodyay Convict Hiring Depot and Pensioner Guard Barracks?

Mitch Ames (talk) 12:24, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

The Toodyay Pioneer Heritage brochure was originally published by the WA Heritage Committee before it became the Heritage Council of WA. I believe it was one of the very early of the series of Heritage Trails. There is no digital copy of this brochure. I contacted the State Heritage Office in January 2017 and was advised while they had a record of this brochure it was inaccessible due to having been saved in an old format. I can forward a scanned copy of this brochure which contains a map of West Toodyay prior to re-alignment of Julimar Road. The brochure identifies the following places: West Toodyay School, Samuel Ferguson's Cottage, Royal Oak Inn, Highland Laddie, Queen's Head, Military Barracks, Colonial School, Lock up, Catholic Chapel - Margie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elrebe56 (talk • contribs) 05:00, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

So far as I can tell from the location on the Toodyay Pioneer Heritage Trail brochure map, item 13 Catholic Chapel is the Church of Sancta Maria, Toodyay. @Elrebe56 and Bmorc44: could you confirm or refute that please. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:32, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Page 13 of that brochure says that they are the same thing. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:12, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Bardon Park AFD

Please consider commenting at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bardon Park (Western Australia). --doncram 17:47, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Oh somnolent beast, oh silent sleeping wonders, where are you all? there was not single editor from Perth (If I have missed a local in a quick read, my apology) at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bardon_Park_(Western_Australia) JarrahTree 09:35, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Wesfarmers

Please note there is an obvious need to separate the Wesfarmers article into two components

The suggestion is to have the first part - as a cooperative

and as a conglomerate - they being two very different forms of operation. Comments ? JarrahTree 09:08, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Whether as a cooperative or a conglomerate, it was still the same entity, so I don't think it's "obvious" that separate articles are needed. If the article was sufficiently large it would be appropriate to split it into separate articles, but I don't think it is large enough. The article is 18kb (about 15kb of body text), which is well under WP:SIZESPLIT's "< 40 kB Length alone does not justify division". Mitch Ames (talk) 13:43, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Entity? - nah two very different ways of operating imho - also - as you say length alone does not justify... (that can work both ways) - the farmer co-operative of the early years was so different of what it evolved into in the late 20th and early 21st - JarrahTree 10:05, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

"two very different ways of operating" does not imply "separate entities"; in particular the cooperative and the conglomerate are not "distinct topics" per WP:CONSPLIT. It's one company with a single continuous history. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:22, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

probably at some later stage the corporate and co-op activities could become daughter articles, though the significant corporate identities owned by Wesfarmers themselves already have articles any structural changes would also need to take into consideration content in those articles. Gnangarra 13:33, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Wiki Club West aka West Australian Branch - linking with Perth Heritage Days 14 - 15 October 2017

There is a challenge to either check, improve existing articles, or create new live articles that relate to topics that tie in with the Perth Heritage Days that are happening on the 14th and 15th October here in Perth.

Anyone the slightest interest or who wish to be contacted about further developments in this challenge - please contact, or list here - your preference does not matter, a topic list (with links to existing articles) will be linked here in the next couple of days.

Also - anyone who might be going to any of the locations - a sense of where peoples first preference would be useful. JarrahTree 09:46, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Perth Heritage Days home page: https://heritageperth.com.au/make-history/about-us/projects/perth-heritage-days-2017/ Mitch Ames (talk) 11:42, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Suggestion

Short Wiki Club West meeting on Saturday 14th October 2017

To check where places/things that might need extra coverage or clues with gathering information

See Wikipedia:Meetup/Perth/41 for details.

• Meeting place: State Library Coffee Shop (Perth CBD)
• Aim: Compare ideas on the Perth Heritage Day events and the approximately 15 unwritten related articles

Interested

• JarrahTree 09:55, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
• Sam Wilson 10:19, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
• Mitch Ames (talk) 12:37, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
• Dan arndt (talk) 14:00, 1 October 2017 (UTC) (sailing season has started)

Main Topics

• Heritage_Perth - is an article - needs expanding
• Perth Heritage Days - is not yet an article
• Mary Raine
• Cast iron pillar boxes of Western Australia (J. & E. Ledger engineering works pic, corner of Aberdeen and Pier Streets, possibly run by Heath Ledgers grandfather?)

For the full range of possible links please go to:

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Western Australia/Perth Heritage Day

Where are we meeting on Saturday? Sam Wilson 07:26, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Meetup - November 2017

Planned for November 2017 - Wiki Club West moving around - this meeting will involve a meetup in Perth as a formal revitalisation of the Perth task force - back into a Project...

- updates of information at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Western_Australia/Perth_Project_revitalisation

and then a train trip to Fremantle - and then, a walk around existing freopedia identified locations.

- updates of information at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Western_Australia/Freopedia_revitalisation_project

Walking shoes and adequate spare time are the important ingredients. - regular stopping locations will be identified for anyone who wishes to do only parts of the whole day.

Any early feedback on this planned event (such as preferred day/date/times), please contact.

A walking map will be hopefully available by the day. JarrahTree 09:12, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good. Count me in! Sam Wilson 09:51, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

If you make it Sunday I'll make sure I'm there.Dan arndt (talk) 10:32, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Sure looks like it is the best way to go at this stage JarrahTree 10:35, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

• +me Mitch Ames (talk) 13:30, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

At today's meetup we mentioned Fremantle Maritime Day, 4 November. The website is http://www.fremantleports.com.au/Community/Pages/Maritime-Careers.aspx, but the URL ends in "Maritime-Careers" so I wouldn't be surprised if it changes. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:19, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Open House Perth 2017

Open House Perth is 11-12 November, if anyone is interested. No locations yet... Mitch Ames (talk) 12:22, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Open Access week - University of Notre Dame Australia

see Wikipedia:Meetup/Perth/UNDA 251017 for details, in short I'm giving a talk from 13:30 until 15:30 then heading over to Little creatures Next Door from 16:30, all are welcome the talk is free you just need to register details on the meetup page. Gnangarra 11:35, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Proclamation Day and Labour Day public holidays

Western Australians with a better knowledge of history than me are invited to add a sentence to Proclamation Day#Western Australia explaining why Labour Day is now held in March in WA when it apparently replaced Proclamation Day in October, and originally they were both the same date. Mitch Ames (talk) 10:56, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

The Historical Encyclopedia of WA is perhaps helpful:

Foundation Day 1 June 1829 is celebrated in WA... first Monday in June (p.385)

Proclamation Day 21 October 1890.. was a public holiday for a time.. but later became merged with Labour Day, and subsequently date shifted from October. (p.725) - no reason or details given JarrahTree 11:22, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Queens Birthday last Monday of September(1st Monday of school holidays) instead of June(conflict Foundation day) its been a mess for a while "INDUSTRIAL PUBLIC HOLIDAYS". The West Australian. Vol. XLV, , no. 8, 529. Western Australia. 21 October 1929. p. 13. Retrieved 22 October 2017 – via National Library of Australia.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link) Gnangarra 12:02, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Foundation day now Western Australia Day started in 1908 Gnangarra 12:34, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

• http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article46256202 Question of public holidays Gnangarra 12:38, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
• http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article27296034 Anzac Day April 1917 Gnangarra 12:40, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
• http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3029500 T&C procolimation day/8 hour day 1891 Gnangarra 13:09, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

I must stop reading Trove canning dam 1911 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article26351479 side tracked form public holidays Gnangarra 13:18, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

[4] (Feb 1922) explicitly says "Labour Day (May 1st) becomes a Bank and public service holiday, in place of Proclamation Day (October 26)", and [5] (March 1922) says "an amendment to Public Public Holidays, substituting 1st May for Proclamation Day". By 1929 [6] it appears that "June 3, a public holiday, which is observed in this State jointly as the King's birthday and Proclamation Day". Mitch Ames (talk) 13:26, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

1931 - separate days a week apart desire to draw the attention of your Government to -the confusion . arising in regard to the observation of ^Foundation Fix this textDay and the King's Birthday holidays. "SUCCESSION OF HOLIDAYS". The West Australian. Vol. XLVII, , no. 9, 050. Western Australia. 27 June 1931. p. 14. Retrieved 23 October 2017 – via National Library of Australia.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link) Gnangarra 13:31, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

City definitions

oh what a tangled web gets weaved, in searching for a WA government definition of what is a city I stumbled into https://www0.landgate.wa.gov.au/docvault.nsf/web/PS_LD/$file/1574-Geographic-names-policies.pdf enjoy Gnangarra 12:21, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Perth Stadium

Open day, 21 January 2018 I have approached the stadium to get access but just in tickets to view the stadium are being made available on thursday at 8am if anyone is able to book a session https://perthstadium.com.au/whats-on/perth-stadium-open-day/ Gnangarra 03:26, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

• reminder 9am tomorrow Gnangarra 12:47, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I have some tickets - anyone interested please contact JarrahTree 01:40, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Padbury Buildings

WA editors are invited to comment at Talk:Padbury Buildings#Suitability as an article. Mitch Ames (talk) 02:19, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

If they want - moved on considerably since this post - quite suitable - and also Walter Padbury as well as a range of a lot of offshoot articles likely. JarrahTree 04:42, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Mary Raine

I've finally got around to starting work on an article for Mary Raine - it's currently in my sandbox. If anyone knows of any other good online references, including specific Trove newspaper articles, feel free to add them to the bottom of the page. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:09, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

It still needs some work, but it's now at Mary Raine. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:38, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

My thanks to Evad37 and JarrahTree for help with Mary Raine, and creating related articles. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:29, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Plus she now has a reasonable amount of data at Mary Bertha Raine (Q43013936) ( Reasonator) on Wikidata - Evad37 [talk] 14:02, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

@Mitch Ames: Another source:

• Lemon, Barbara (2008). In her gift: activism and altruism in Australian women's philanthropy 1880–2005 (PhD). University of Melbourne. pp. 133–139. Retrieved 24 November 2017.

(direct link to PDF) - Evad37 [talk] 15:20, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Midland line boxes

Has anyone noticed the preceeding / following station boxes on the Midland line stations pages (here, here, here and here for example) have errors. Specifically, Redcliffe appears as the termini (in place of Midland), as the following station, and in Redcliffe as the preceeding station?

I've looked at (but not touched) the S-line templates but it's all beyond me. Apologies if this is the wrong page to post this.Rund717 (talk) 00:00, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

@Rund717: Two recent edits to Template:Transperth stations by Sandstorm6299 broke the logic in that template. I've fixed it now (pages might require a WP:PURGE to update) - Evad37 [talk] 00:20, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

This edit by LittleWink (which I just fixed) might have similarly caused problems; if so, the article pages just need to be purged again. - Evad37 [talk] 16:43, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

SUNDAY 21st PERTH STADIUM access

Please if you are interested - contact please. Will be at WikiClubWest meetup on Saturday - or otherwise at talk page or by email.

Public Access to Perth Stadium - 21st January 2018 - interested persons - please contact

JarrahTree 23:58, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

gentle reminder, located in Studio 001 - State Library of Western Australia - until 3.00 p.m. Please make an effort if you are the slightest interested. JarrahTree 03:32, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Commons:Category:Perth Stadium open day is filling up with ~200 photos I took – could do with some cleanup, if anyone's interested in improving categorisation, descriptions, and the like. - Evad37 [talk] 01:57, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Next meetup

10th March 2018

Thanks for those attending for February meeting - next one 10th March in state library - usual location - the coffee shop JarrahTree 07:04, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Events and attendance tables at Perth Stadium

Suggestions are invited as to what to do about the tables in Perth Stadium § Attendance records. Discussion at Talk:Perth Stadium § Arbitrary exclusion of Australian rules football/inclusion of cricket Mitch Ames (talk) 08:25, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Malaga railway station

Just found the redirect Malaga railway station, Perth → Public Transport Authority (Western Australia), which seems like a quite useless redirect. Presumably someone thinks the Ellenbrook railway line will have a station at Malaga, Western Australia. Are there any actual WP:RS's for the proposed route and stations, or should it go to WP:RfD? - Evad37 [talk] 01:52, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Get rid of it - itcould get horribly confused with spanish railway station with same name even if a qualifying state name after it - better never second guess anything to do with ellenbrook railway line - it has been a myth for so long JarrahTree 01:58, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

it was created by a blocked sock and deserves to be wiped out JarrahTree 02:58, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Now tagged for speedy deletion (WP:CSD#G5), along with a few others - Evad37 [talk] 03:26, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Karara, WA & Karara mine

There seems to be two articles about the same topic, Karara mine and Karara, Western Australia. Should these be merged and, if yes, under what title? I don't think there is a Karara town there, just a mine, at least that is what it looked like when I happened to take a picture of it from an aeroplane yesterday. 218.215.91.17 (talk) 06:22, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

While they appear to be the same one is said to be in the Pilbara while other is in the Midwest region about 500-1000 km apart? if the article just about the mine then the the Karara mine is correct, if about a place then Karara, Western Australia is correct Gnangarra 15:11, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Draft:University of Western Australia School of Medicine

Some WA locals might want to help get this over the notability hurdle. It has citations but they are largely from the institution's own website, but I suspect more independent citations are probably there to be found. Kerry (talk) 22:44, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Tried to to think of somewhere to be in the coming FLOOD?

Stay above the water, and in the comfort of a library, - the next meetup is this Saturday.

Meetup number 47 - yes 47! - possibly an Australian record by now

that is if you believe the Bureau of Meteorology weather predictions at this stage. JarrahTree 23:59, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Perth streets

WA editors (in particular Gnangarra, MadamePhoenica, Evad37) are invited to comment at:

• Talk:Melbourne Street, Perth
• Talk:List of streets in Perth

Mitch Ames (talk) 12:26, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

youre a spoilsport mitch I love arguing with you about streets on wiki or off JarrahTree 12:47, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

• Honestly @Mitch Ames: just be bold with categories with what ever pattern you want, I be working with new editors and such word sleuthing over categories just scares people away from editing, even worse it scares the management even more. As I do more work with them we'll just follow what ever is there, today was a short run to demonstrate the ease of doing the edits to articles and how it can work. Once they have been going at it for a while when the depth and breadth of the knowledge is here we'll need to revisit the categories anyway and it'll be easier when there is more information to draw on. Gnangarra 13:17, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

question

oh somnulent project talk page, rise from your slumbers - a question:

http://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/intranet/libpages.nsf/All/FF4B10FA7DCF82B0482580D1000E0503?OpenDocument. - should that indicate that Parliament House, Perth - should be Parliament House Western Australia?

see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Parliament_House,_Perth. JarrahTree 09:50, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks to User:The Drover's Wife for a sensible response on the subject JarrahTree 11:00, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

where is the cbd?

On the template:-

Template:Capital city central business districts of Australia - the Perth link is to the Perth (suburb) article that claims to be about both - the CBD and to the suburb. I am wondering whether we need a separate item specific about what is actually precisely designated as the perth CBD, rather than the suburb. Any suggestions? JarrahTree 11:00, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Fixed - well sort of.

Related questions though - what's the western border for the Perth CBD north of St Georges Tce / Malcom St / Kings Park Rd? If I head west on Hay St I'd never read the western boundary according to our current description. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:15, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Mitch. As this ties in with a number of things in process at the moment - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Western_Australia/Perth_CBD Perth CBD sub page has been created - please feel free to add any further information there when and if you happen to stumble upon anything. Thank you JarrahTree 10:20, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Proposal to split List of streets in Kings Park and West Perth into two separate articles

Editor input is sought at Talk:List of streets in Kings Park and West Perth § Proposal to split the article into two. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:17, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Museum of Perth

I thought I'd drop a note to let you all know what is taking place. WMAU & WikiClubWest have started working with the Museum of Perth to bring its research content onto Wikipedia. The process has been broken in to segments because of the way they store data and the people we have doing the data transfers.

creation of lists;

1. bring the raw data across from one system
2. incorporate the references from another system
3. tidy up the text content.
4. then source media files

Articles;

1. expand existing ones
2. create new ones

It's then rinse and repeat for the next subject area, initially I have been working with the new contributors who are covering different segments of the process to get it under way. There will shortly be a Wikimedian in Residence taking up a position to co-ordinate the work of this and other projects.

We started with streets because of the data is the best structured and easiest to work with, some of the other areas almost ready to follow up with will be buildings, demolished buildings, architects, heritage places, parks & gardens, public artworks. Along the way there will be a number of workshops and other events so watch out for those. Looking forward to your patience, support, and help to make this a smooth project development Gnangarra 00:10, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

I presume item 1 and/or 2 of "creation of lists" accounts for the parenthetical numbers that were the subject of User_talk:Majamop#Parenthetical_numbers_in_List_of_streets_in_Kings_Park_and_West_Perth, and have now appeared in List of streets in Crawley and Nedlands. I suggest that it would be worth adding a note above the table to the effect that "parenthetical numbers are page numbers/footnote numbers/[whatever] in [source that the list came from]", at least until the references can be converted into correctly formatted Wikipedia references, so that the reader has some idea of what those numbers mean.

If nothing else, it would help remove the "unsourced OR" reason in WP:Articles for deletion/List of streets in Crawley and Nedlands. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:38, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Given some of the "responses" at WP:Articles for deletion/List of streets in Crawley and Nedlands, is there some way I might be able to help, probably indirectly? Not sure how though, my wikitime can be limited at times and being on the east coast and knowing almost nothing of any detail about WA / Perth? Aoziwe (talk) 11:13, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Ugh, this situation is a bit of a mess. I really think the lists of suburban streets are inherently unencyclopedic and bound to (as Crawley/Nedlands has) get nominated for deletion and ensure a negative first experience for the new editors involved. I know there is a lot of good content on CBD/Northbridge main streets - but the sources exist to genuinely sustain those articles, whereas these lists that are just suburban street naming guides aren't a good use of editors time. All the other things Gnangarra mentioned - buildings, demolished buildings, heritage places, parks and gardens and public artworks are a much, much, much better use of a partnership with the Museum of Perth - you can't go wrong with any of those. The Drover's Wife (talk) 11:28, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Yu do realise that the streets bind all of those other topics together, that street naming is complex urban planning issue with various government authorities issuing different guides on how to name streets. STreet names also reflect historical, political, cultural makeup of suburbs at the time in which the street is created or renamed. These series of complex interactions are best laid out in list articles rather than in individual articles where the whole can be connected in brief. Gnangarra 12:20, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm afraid consensus doesn't seem to be going your way on that one. It just seems unfortunate to start with the most contentious and most likely to get deleted of all possible topic choices, having gone to all the trouble of arranging a great partnership. The Drover's Wife (talk) 12:34, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Well thanks for your help - you hardly know anything about the partnership yet offer some rather unhelpful comments.

The beginning of any project like the collaboration between the Museum of Perth and Wiki Club West is likely to evoke considered opinions about methods and means for new projects. If they are disparaging - it can work both ways, the opinion can provide a perspective on something, that might encourage an appraisal of how to do something a particular way, possible other ways of thinking about resources available, or reflect as much on the person making the claims.

The position of an opinion might be best appraised by asking - where or how that opinion might arise - where does it come from ? I really think the lists of suburban streets are inherently unencylopediac is an opinion from an editor at a stage where something is at the beginning and in particularly sensitive time for all involved. There is no actual proof that this (inherently unencyclopediac) is so - and is simply one editor who chooses to leave an opinion here on the noticeboard, there is no actual allowing the development of the material (there are a few signs that things are at the beginning, where there should be considerable experience of (a) dont bite newcomers (b) be patient etc), or explanation why the opinion exists. (This means someone can prove and show extensive Trove and or Battye, State Records Office or other source - research time to verify that assertion?)

Suburban street naming guides aren't a good use of editors time - ok - please show evidence of actual research time spent on LGA heritage registers, Heritage Council, Landgate, State Records records on this matter please to verify that assertion? The time to clarify street, place or building records for any locality or council areas in Perth at all ?

So with the partnership being developed, where is the expertise of the assertions being made here, and at an AFD come from? It would be very worthwhile to backup the assertions with some form evidence, then it is more useful to editors involved to understand the perceived priorities and mechanics of research, that we seem to not know. It is only fair, when offering advice, to be able to qualify and quantify with good examples. JarrahTree 12:37, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

• For those that havent read the afd, roads names are a complex issue they come under three primary pieces of legislation

• Land Administration Act 1997
• Land Information Authority Regulations 2007
• Australian Standard AS/NZS 4819:2011

Then you add to that Emergency services act, various heritage acts, Indigenous heritage and cultural acts, and local government bylaws. Once these have been negotiated the road names in western australia then need to pass through 7 different consultation processes before all this information gets presented to Landgate for approval. When it comes to urban planning road naming is an encyclopaedic topic, what is covered in the lists just outcomes of those processes with the reasonings for each name. Myriad of historical, political and cultural changes over time are condensed then reflected in the names of roads Gnangarra 12:53, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

If nothing else, perhaps someone should write an article about Street naming in Western Australia. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:07, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

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Category:Streets in Perth, Western Australia

Category:Streets in Perth, Western Australia says both that it:

• is a container category, should contain only subcategories
• contains "streets in Perth, except for those in the following locations within Perth: Fremantle, Perth CBD"

Given that there are places in Perth (including Perth (suburb)) that are not in Fremantle or the CBD, this category can contain articles, so it ought not be a container category.

Is the use of {{container}} wrong or is the description wrong? Mitch Ames (talk) 11:46, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Description is wrong - as I added the container tag. It was my intention to identify streets by their suburb, which would be a sub category... I do not think individual streets should be in streets in perth, western australia - as technically that constitutes the whole metropolitan area. JarrahTree 11:49, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

If it's intended to be a container category, then we may end up needing many more subcategories, eg per Category:Streets in Crawley and Nedlands, if there are notable streets elsewhere in the metro area. That might not be a good idea if there are only a few such notable streets. One such subcat would be Category:Streets in Perth (suburb), to include for example Aberdeen Road, Perth, which is in the suburb but not in the CBD.

Mitch Ames (talk) 12:02, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

By most indications most suburbs/localities within the perth metro region contain sufficient notable streets that exist within their boundaries to justify the development of the category this way, and not have aticles in the larger category JarrahTree 12:09, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Container category is wrong, what it should say is something like "Use a suburb-specific subcategory rather than this category, if such a category exists and the street is entirely within that suburb". But most streets outside of the CBD and Fremantle probably aren't likely to be notable enough for their own article anyway (as opposed to roads, many of which are notable). Evad37 [talk] 11:47, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

In that case please change it to what you have indicated JarrahTree 11:53, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Would it not be better divided into to LGA's rather than single burb as there will be enough streets within each LGA that are notable to warrant the category, but at burb level many will end up with just one or two if they are lucky, if you look at Bassendean as a burb, you'd get old perth road, west road, lord st, iolanthe, walter road, railway pde, Guildford rd and collier road as an LGA you add Hardey road, Pearson st, Ashfield Pde, and Morley drive where as Eden Hill and Ashfield would have 4 between them which isnt enough for a category. Even Joondalup as an LGA would have enough but the individual burbs would struggle, Even Swan & Stirling would be better though they could have a small subset pockets even then I doubt we'd get 10 or more in those even from places like Guildford, Swan Valley, Balcatta, Innaloo, Osborne Park. Then when you consider that streets are linked to the LGAs history and development as well being something they are responsible for. Gnangarra 15:14, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

These can also tie in with a list articles for the LGA of significant roads Gnangarra 15:15, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, LGA would probably make more sense as hey are more likely to have enough for a category. We're also starting to get into "what is a street/road/highway" territory... while the distinction is not always well defined, and has little correlation to the suffix in the name, Morley Drive is definitely more of a road than a street (see that article's lead), and is also a highway to the west of Tonkin (in some classification senses) - Evad37 [talk] 00:49, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Gnangarra has a point, to a point - I think it might vary between LGAs and locality/suburbs - the main reason for wanting to have some distinction made at the top (thanks to Evad for changing it), was so that the category 'streets in Perth' is filled with streets from everywhere, but that there is a distinction as to where in Perth. As for Evad's comment about the distinction - that is something that will need discussion soon as the MoP project progresses. JarrahTree 00:57, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

It can break down lgas into burbs where appropriate, but yeah perth metro, the multi defined perth cbd, perth suburb, and city of perth which is also called Perth. That just brings us back to that poor decision in 2012 to call Perth, WA Perth though I suppose it was better than Perth Australia that was once suggested. Gnangarra 03:34, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Reference links to State Records Office web site

A little while back the State Records Office of WA moved their archive website, thus breaking all the reference links to the old site from our articles. I've gone through and updated most of those reference links, but there are a few for which I cannot locate the correct page on the new SRO website - mainly because the links look like searches (with many results), rather than specific targets.

Perhaps someone with knowledge of the specific subjects could check the remaining articles and replace those reference links with something suitable.

The articles in question are:

• State Batteries in Western Australia
• Toodyay railway station
• Edith Cowan University

Just search the wiki-text for the old SRO address: aeon.sro.wa.gov.au

Mitch Ames (talk) 12:56, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Was Stirling Highway once known as "Perth – Fremantle Road"?

Is Stirling Highway the "old Perth – Fremantle Road" and "Perth/Fremantle Road" mentioned in List of streets in Crawley and Nedlands? It seems likely, given Stirling Highway § History. If Stirling Highway was once known as the Perth - Fremantle Road, the Stirling Highway article should probably mention that explicitly (with a suitable reference of course) and then of course we'd link to it from List of streets in Crawley and Nedlands. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:34, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Before asking here, you could always check - your own questions in Trove https://trove.nla.gov.au/result?q=perth+fremantle+road - Uren, Malcolm, 1900-1973; Western Australia. Main Roads Dept (1930), A few facts regarding the Perth-Fremantle Road, retrieved 5 June 2018{{citation}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link) JarrahTree 12:40, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Is that book available online? Does the Trove summary explicitly say that Perth-Fremantle Rd and Stirling Hwy are the same thing? (Perhaps the book describes multiple roads - I don't know, because I haven't read it and don't have immediate access to it.) Mitch Ames (talk) 13:00, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

There were two possible roads known by that name, but only one that was changed to Stirling Highway.

http://www.photosau.com.au/TheGroveLibrary/scripts/ExtSearch.asp?SearchTerm=CPM01208

"PERTH-FREMANTLE ROAD". The West Australian. Vol. XXX, , no. 3, 686. Western Australia. 6 February 1914. p. 6. Retrieved 5 June 2018 – via National Library of Australia.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)

"THE PERTH FREMANTLE ROAD". The Inquirer And Commercial News. Vol. LV, , no. 3020. Western Australia. 22 February 1895. p. 3. Retrieved 5 June 2018 – via National Library of Australia.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)

There is always a bit of trove searching and a bit of sideways guessing -

"STIRLING-HIGHWAY". The West Australian. Vol. 52, , no. 15, 562. Western Australia. 12 May 1936. p. 15. Retrieved 5 June 2018 – via National Library of Australia.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)

And then BINGO

"STIRLING HIGHWAY". The Daily News. Vol. LI, , no. 17, 822. Western Australia. 23 June 1932. p. 6 (HOME (FINAL) EDITION). Retrieved 5 June 2018 – via National Library of Australia.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)

JarrahTree 13:13, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Govt Gazette notice, p394 Mitch Ames (talk) 13:15, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Articles updated: [7][8]. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:34, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks JarrahTree 13:37, 5 June 2018 (UTC)