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Ancestry -- reduced edit request --- scholarship by Leonard Sax
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Please add this paragraph to the end of the Ancestry section --
More recent scholarship by Leonard Sax points out contemporary historians have largely dismissed Hitler's Jewish heritage based on "a single historian, Nikolaus von Preradovich" a Nazi sympathizer, and that "The hypothesis that Hitler’s paternal grandfather was Jewish, as claimed by Hans Frank, may fit the facts better than the alternative hypothesis that Hitler’s paternal grandfather was Johann Georg Hiedler or Johann Nepomuk Hiedler." [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] 98.46.117.2 (talk) 13:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- oh really??? 103.190.13.22 (talk) 09:07, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://doi.org/10.1177/0047244119837477
- ^ https://www.leonardsax.com/JES_MS.pdf
- ^ https://www.leonardsax.com/who-was-hitlers-grandfather-why-should-you-care/
- ^ https://www.amazon.com/ANGESICHT-GALGENS-Erkenntnisse-Geschrieben-Justizgef%C3%A4ngnis-ebook/dp/B0797WXN4Z/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
- ^ https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Nikolaus_von_Preradovich?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc
- ^ https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/study-suggests-adolf-hitler-was-a-quarter-jewish-597966
- This is covered at Frankenberger thesis. Moxy🍁 13:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hitler Ancestry section suggests that Hitler's father Alois was the son of one of the Hiedler brothers, and dismisses the Frankenberger thesis. The last entry in this section should be the latest research by Sax, which was just recently added to the Frankenberger thesis article. Sax shows that Jews were present but not registered in Graz at the time of Alois' conception.
- "a claim that came to be known as the Frankenberger thesis. No Frankenberger was registered in Graz during that period, no record has been produced of Leopold Frankenberger's existence, so historians dismiss the claim that Alois's father was Jewish." 98.46.117.2 (talk) 15:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- There's now two of us that object to adding this: myself and Moxy. We don't need to expand on the Frankenberger thesis in the Hitler article; we've already said that historians reject the thesis that Hitler was part Jewish; if people want more info on this topic they can go to Frankenberger thesis. — Diannaa (talk) 15:39, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Then a compromise would be to remove the following text from the Ancestry section ...
- "No Frankenberger was registered in Graz during that period, no record has been produced of Leopold Frankenberger's existence, so historians dismiss the claim that Alois's father was Jewish." 67.173.189.111 (talk) 17:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- There's now two of us that object to adding this: myself and Moxy. We don't need to expand on the Frankenberger thesis in the Hitler article; we've already said that historians reject the thesis that Hitler was part Jewish; if people want more info on this topic they can go to Frankenberger thesis. — Diannaa (talk) 15:39, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not done .... Will require consensus.Moxy🍁 20:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
spell being broken
editI take great issue with the line "spell being broken". It is completely idiotic to try to make hitler's reign sound cool like he's some sort of Harry Potter villain. I don't care if it's changed or not, it will always keep this article idiotic.Daedrich JJ flfmjg (talk) 14:59, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's merely what the sources are saying. We aren't going to change it because you find it to be idiotic. ― Blaze WolfTalkblaze__wolf 15:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's idiomatic, not idiotic. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's how some of his contemporaries responded: "Hitler's suicide was likened by contemporaries to a "spell" being broken". Demagogues often appear to 'mesmerise' those who follow them do they not? An uncritical state kept in place by a constant diet of propaganda.Pincrete (talk) 05:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is idiomatic. That being the case it might stylistically be better for it to expressly reference the sources using it - Fest/Speer in this case - rather than be in wikivoice. But I fail to see how it makes "Hitler's reign sound cool like he's some sort of Harry Potter villain". DeCausa (talk) 07:18, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Both sources specifically use the word "spell". Fest says that in multiple contemporary accounts, "certain phrases crop up releatedly...a 'spell' had been broken, a 'phansasmagoria' shatttered." I have added some attribution for Fest and a sentence from Speer page 617. — Diannaa (talk) 23:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- "phansasmagoria" That is supposed to be phantasmagoria, a technique of using magic lanterns to project scary images, "such as skeletons, demons, and ghosts". Dimadick (talk) 11:56, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. — Diannaa (talk) 11:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- "phansasmagoria" That is supposed to be phantasmagoria, a technique of using magic lanterns to project scary images, "such as skeletons, demons, and ghosts". Dimadick (talk) 11:56, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Both sources specifically use the word "spell". Fest says that in multiple contemporary accounts, "certain phrases crop up releatedly...a 'spell' had been broken, a 'phansasmagoria' shatttered." I have added some attribution for Fest and a sentence from Speer page 617. — Diannaa (talk) 23:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
"Failed Austrian Painter" listed at Redirects for discussion
editThe redirect Failed Austrian Painter has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 11 § Failed Austrian Painter until a consensus is reached. asilvering (talk) 05:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)