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Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2016
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Please change "Quentin Miller" to "Aubrey Drake Graham" because it is Drake's given name. Common knowledge. Mikiep23 (talk) 01:07, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. The two instances in which "Quentin Miller" appears in this article refer to another individual, not Drake. Cannolis (talk) 07:07, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
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I think Cash Money should be added to the list of Labels since all of his releases have Cash Money under Label. 46.193.0.168 (talk) 19:06, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- Done - thanks for the suggestion - Arjayay (talk) 06:55, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
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I am requesting to edit some missing info Spacechimp1 (talk) 00:24, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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Requested move 27 May 2016
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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move the article has been established within the RM time period and thus defaulting to not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Music1201 talk 21:31, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
Drake (rapper) → Drake (singer) – Drake's done way more singing than rapping in the last few years. His new album isn't even identified in its article as hip hop, but as R&B and dancehall. Unreal7 (talk) 23:34, 27 May 2016 (UTC) — relisted by user:SSTflyer at 13:35, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Anarchyte (work | talk) 01:40, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose proposed move, counter with moving to Drake (musician), essentially per WP:NCPDAB (using "musician" instead a more specific term since neither term is currently ambiguous.) The musician is notable for both rapping and singing. In fact, the subject's recent songs still occasionally have him rapping. Best move the disambiguator to something more ambiguous to encompass the subject's profession. Steel1943 (talk) 21:02, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
- Yeah, that makes more sense. Move to Drake (musician) per Steel1943. Grayfell (talk) 21:08, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose any move. Drake is primarily and overwhelmingly known as a rapper, despite the fact that he also sings. Chase (talk | contributions) 22:32, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
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Requested move 21 June 2016
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The result of the move request was: page moved.(non-admin closure) Eventhorizon51 (talk) 14:30, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Drake (rapper) → Drake (musician) – Two users supported this title in the last move. Given that Drake sings just as much as he raps, this title seems more appropriate and is also in line with Plan B (musician) and Example (musician). Unreal7 (talk) 10:46, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
- Support - per reasons above. His music is not solely comprised of rapping. Comatmebro User talk:Comatmebro 16:30, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose. The current title is fine. Let's break this endless wheel of trying to find something better; it's a solution in search of a problem. Calidum ¤ 00:29, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
- Support per the previous discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 03:56, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
- Support per nom and reasons given in previous discussion, along with Comatmebro's argument. Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} | talk | contribs) 04:51, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
- Support - "Rapper" narrows the scope of the article when he does in fact sing in his music. Meatsgains (talk) 21:32, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
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Controversies section
What's going on with this section? It's written really poorly, with vague lines and grammar mistakes. Also it refers to several incidents which seem to be really trivial. In one instance, it is claimed that Rihanna calls Drake an asshole, with the source being a TMZ video in which there is no audio of her voice and just movements of her lips.
- Done Just saw the section; it was absurd — it has been fixed to only include reliable sources and incidents that follow general notability guidlines. My aggregated edit can be found here. ♔First Lord of Downing Street♔ 10:16, 7 July 2016 (UTC).
Removal of Content
Large portions of content were removed regarding the Eco Friendly tour. Also regarding Drake's ownership of one of the first Apple watches in the fashion section. I feel these sections are valid content and should remain part of the article. Why remove content that is relevant to the sections? Dane2007 (talk) 05:56, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
- @Dane2007: I have added again the parts where the Eco Friendly tour and the Apple Watch is relevant. See the changes under the Thank Me Later portion of the article for the first, and the Public image and fashion for the second. Also, note that the Apple Watch is a fashion-related component, rather than a public image one. I have completed the necessary edits. Word to DJ Khaled, I was back with another one. (Btw, would it be too much to ask for the addition of a personal life section of the article from you?) PsychopathicAssassin (talk) 15:39, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
- @PsychopathicAssassin: Thank you for restoring the content. I will take a look into expanding the article/adding a personal life section when I get some more free time :). Dane2007 (talk) 03:01, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
- @Dane2007: My nigga. Big up. PsychopathicAssassin (talk) 13:25, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
- @PsychopathicAssassin: Thank you for restoring the content. I will take a look into expanding the article/adding a personal life section when I get some more free time :). Dane2007 (talk) 03:01, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Associated Acts
There appears to be some conflict regarding which associated acts to feature. I am bringing this to the talk page so that Drake8399 and PsychopathicAssassin can open a dialogue in order to come to consensus on what should be in the article and so outside parties may give their thoughts. Thanks. -- Dane2007 talk 21:30, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2016
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in the first line of the article, the word "Canadian" is spelt wrong as "Canadain". please fix that rather embarrasing spelling error. thank you! Abdullaharoon (talk) 03:50, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
- Done Corrected. Thanks for pointing it out. -- Dane2007 talk 03:53, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Updating information
New information could be added about some of Drake's upcoming projects. On October 23rd, Drake announced that he should be releasing a new mixtape entitled "More Life" in December. He also premiered four new songs on OVO Sound Radio: 1. Two Birds, One Stone 2. Fake Love 3. Wanna Know 4. Sneakin' featuring 21 Savage. This information was also confirmed on his Instagram. Rheamahapatra (talk) 01:34, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
Please get a new infobox image
The current image is terrible. Seriously, for one of the biggest artist in the world right now, someone could've at least put up a decent pic. That's all. --100.11.154.63 (talk) 23:27, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
I can't be shaved
Is it worth mentioning his appearance in this music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7qWx_u596A ?--5.198.76.62 (talk) 14:27, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Drake mocking Kid Cudi's suicidal urges
Why doesn't this article mention nothing about Drake mocking Kid Cudi's suicidal urges and xanax use? http://www.spin.com/2016/10/drake-kid-cudi-mental-health-struggles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.33.34.80 (talk) 20:30, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Graham or Drake?
Drake is the musical persona of Aubrey Drake Graham. It's very rare to see on wikipedia to see someone referred to by their stage name for all aspects of their life (the section on Drake's acting career in 2001 refers to him as Drake FIVE times but never once as Graham, as one would expect. What is the naming convention for this article? Shouldn't his real (sur)name be used for these parts and early life etc?? Rayman60 (talk) 16:07, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
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Change 'country music group Arkells' to 'indie rock group Arkells' Pyrotactical99 (talk) 23:34, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- Dane talk 21:51, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Career
@PsychopathicAssassin: What's the problem with the timeline? Neel.arunabh (talk) 19:43, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Playlists
I've spent thousands of hours on Wikipedia discographies over the years. I've never once seen a "playlist". There was no link to this. I read the wikipedia page for "Playlist" and I'm still confused. Are there other discographies on Wikipedia that contain "Playlists"? Should the 2017 album "Get More" be combined with the other albums with "playlist" added in parenthesis? Feedback appreciated. Dr. Universe (talk) 21:36, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Treat More Life as a "mixtape" with a different name. He's calling it a "playlist" because of its variety of artists and genres featured. I think just redirect to the mixtape page SomewhereInLondon (talk) 00:50, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Excellent answer SomewhereInLondon. So is it true that "Playlist" is just what Drake and his entourage called it (and then of course everyone else), but this would be the first time someone has called a mixtape a "playlist"? I am tempted to put More Life in the Mixtape category and put something like "labelled as a Playlist by producers" in parenthesis. Album, LP, EP, Mixtape, Box Set, Compilation Album, Live album, Solo album, etc. are all established terms with many examples throughout Wikipedia, and until at least one more artist or group releases a musical project that they call a "Playlist", I am hesitant to allow More Life to be labelled in this extremely unique way for the purposes of the discography on the Drake (musician) main page. Dr. Universe (talk) 21:16, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
Pop as music genre (Infobox)
- "pop musician" Spin
- This Billboard article is about his pop music
- Rolling Stone Cornerstonepicker (talk) 17:17, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose: Drake is primarily an R&B/hip hop musician. However, Drake is also known for mixing a variety of genres into his music, such as trap, dancehall and pop. However, he only uses these genres in a few of his songs, while most, if not all of his songs are R&B/hip hop-infused.SomewhereInLondon (talk) 21:41, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose: Sorry Cornerstonepicker, but I agree with SomewhereInLondon. The distinction between "pop" and "hip-hop" is not as easy as the distinction between squares and triangles, but the vast majority of Drake's music just doesn't feel like pop to me. I re-listened to Hold on, We're Going Home and feel it reminds me a bit of 90's pop, but still the vast majority of his work feels much more like hip-hop/R&B than pop. Dr. Universe (talk) 19:42, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
- "Oppose": Looking at the technical standpoint, Drake has not made any "pure" pop songs (instead he makes rap and r&b that has some pop elements), even though he wants to be considered a pop star like that of Michael Jackson and apparently was made that his Grammy nominations were not in the pop category.[1] Until he does so, he should not be classified as a pop musician on here.4countstart (talk) 03:38, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Snow closed - not moved. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 05:31, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
Drake (musician) → Drake – Most people searching "Drake" will be searching for this Drake. Ish Ya Boy (talk) 11:56, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose. There are 58 individual bulleted entries at the Drake disambiguation page — far too many for one entry to rise to WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, which would assert that such an entry is visited more frequently than all the others combined. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 15:24, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose This would mean that Drake (musician) would be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the word Drake. Given that long-term significance of the musician has not been established (compared to the long-term significance of say Sir Francis Drake, Drake University, or even Drake Mallard) and there are a ton of different things named "Drake", I say leave it as is. menaechmi (talk) 15:39, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose I believe this would be frustrating if you were trying to research ducks, or any other person,thing with Drake in the title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Groiglery1217 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
- Strong oppose, speedy close per Apple. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:31, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
- Strong oppose and close, not the primary and as mentioned above.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 00:57, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose: you cannot assert that 'most people ... will be searching for this Drake'. Well, unless you are a mindreader! –Sb2001 talk page 14:31, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose. Obviously. Ducks and incredibly famous historical navigator are far more important and lasting topics. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:54, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose - The original argument is somewhat valid but still the other topics of the same name are significant enough that it would do more harm than good to move this article. -- MC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.131.2.3 (talk) 19:10, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
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Requested move 26 August 2017
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The result of the move request was: Not moved.Snow call.(non-admin closure) Winged Blades of GodricOn leave 11:58, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
– Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, A topic is primary for a term with respect to usage if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term.
An analysis done of 53 articles contained at the Drake disambiguation page shows that of the 219K total views in a 20-day timeframe, Drake (musician) has 167K of those views - representing 76.5% of all traffic to "Drake" topics. Including the all of the article traffic for duck, which slightly skews the data as we don't have the traffic statistics of Drake -> Duck... Drake (musician) still represents a large majority of traffic in that timeframe.
In addition, another method suggested to aid in determining a primary topic is to use this modified Google Search string which disables Google Personalized Search. When used with the term "Drake", 9 of the 10 first search results were referring to the artist.
The data supports the notion that Drake (musician) is the primary topic within Wikipedia's guidelines and as such, should be moved to Drake with the existing disambiguation page moved to Drake (disambiguation). Jon Kolbert (talk) 23:13, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
- Support as nominator. Jon Kolbert (talk) 23:13, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: This move request was malformed as it did not include moving Drake to Drake (disambiguation). I have fixed that issue. Steel1943 (talk) 02:31, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose. The page view argument regarding the WP:RECENTISM of a celebrity does not supersede historical uses of the term "Drake", including Drake (mythology). Steel1943 (talk) 02:32, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose. The existence of Francis Drake means IMHO that the musician is not the primary topic. This is pretty obviously the case in terms of long-term significance, but Francis Drake is also getting around 2,000 views a day (compared with 8,000 a day for the musician). Combined with all the other non-musician "Drakes" I think that means a disambiguation page is best for now. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 05:53, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose + 12 month moratorium Nom, like the last one in July, hasn't addressed the more important second half of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. (Do we need to bold the second requirement in the guideline?). Anway the duck and the sailor are more notable for an encyclopedia than the musician. If we do this then this really is Pop-pedia. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:03, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- I'm assuming you're referring to the "Not "what first comes to (your) mind"" section about personal bias, that was addressed with the method cited earlier within that section of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC - being the modified Google Search URL that deactivates Google Personalized Search. Jon Kolbert (talk) 15:47, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- No, I'm referring to the second criteria to qualify as an automatic topic. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:24, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- Which is?? Jon Kolbert (talk) 17:18, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- No, I'm referring to the second criteria to qualify as an automatic topic. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:24, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose - There's a good few articles there that are more notable than this musician, IMHO it should stay as is. –Davey2010Talk 14:09, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
Support. I googled drake. Nineteen of the top twenty results were about the musician. Let's send the readers where they clearly want to go. Whiff of greatness (talk) 14:29, 27 August 2017 (UTC)Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kauffner
- @Whiff of greatness: Kauffner? In ictu oculi (talk) 18:08, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose, if it wasn't for that pesky Francis Drake fellow. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:02, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- Comment The amount of readers who go from the disambiguation page "Drake" to the article "Francis Drake" is a average of 16 daily assuming all traffic to Drake (surname) is from the "Drake" disambiguation page and all of those users follow through to "Sir Francis Drake" - which isn't the case. Users seeking the article on the sailor are going to search "Sir Francis Drake" or "Francis Drake" or something extremely similar.
- Blocking a move with the rationale "Francis Drake" exists when the evidence clearly indicates few, if any, users follow through from the Drake disambig page to "Francis Drake" is an obtuse rationale. Jon Kolbert (talk) 15:35, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- As In ictu oculi says above, the second criteria for primary isn't met here. It reads (and maybe should be boldfaced, as In ictu oculi suggests) "A topic is primary for a term with respect to long-term significance if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term." Francis Drake and his important accomplishments will historically outshadow the entertainer. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:32, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose per longstanding historical importance of other uses of the term. bd2412 T 03:39, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
- How long is Drake (musician) likely to stay famous? To me the two main meanings of Drake are "Francis Drake" and "male duck". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:47, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose. Male ducks and the sea captain might have greater long-term significance. —BarrelProof (talk) 07:03, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose. People are going to get to where they need to go. We don't need to hold their hand and take them to the singer's page. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ᐐT₳LKᐬ 20:05, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
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Drake's restaurant ventures
Hello Fellow Editors, Drake_(musician)#Business_career. I was reading the article and noticed that there is no specific mention of Drake's restaurant ventures. I have only noticed one line mentioning his restaurant "Frings" under the Virgina Black section. Drake is also opening up a new restaurant called "Pick6" Miraclemitch (talk) 18:10, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Drake's Filmography.
Hey Editors,Drake_(musician)#Filmography I noticed that Drake is not credited in the recent Vince Carter movie The Carter Effect.. He served as an executive producer and made a guest appearance.
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He was on Justin Bieber's song "Right Here". Why is this not mentioned on the article? Justin Bieber is a big deal and is the most famous person in the world. 82.102.22.61 (talk) 03:27, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
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Drake was in a commercial for Taylor Swift in 2016.
https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/taylor-swift-reacts-to-drake-singing-bad-blood-in-apple-music-ad-w451621/ 82.102.22.61 (talk) 03:35, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
- We (probably) don't need to mention every appearance this musician has or will ever make as it is likely trivial. Not closing the request however. Sakura Cartelet Talk 04:53, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
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PRETTY PLEASE MAY I WRITE THAT DRAKE IS A RAKE TAR TAR EAT UR NOSE EVEN MARY BERRY EATS NOSES SO WHY DONT YOU EAT NOSES The joseph wray (talk) 19:32, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
- No we cannot do that, that is identified as vandalism and will not be included here. Iggy (talk) 19:36, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
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Justin Bieber needs to be mentioned on this article. He worked with Justin Bieber on his album Believe. He was featured on Justin Bieber's song "Right Here". Drake was also in Justin Bieber's "Baby" video. Drake also worked with Eminem on his song "Forever". Drake's Jewish ancestors are Latvian and Russian. He's also confused with Drake Bell.
- http://ethnicelebs.com/drake
- http://www.capitalfm.com/artists/justin-bieber/news/realising-drake-music-video-baby/
- http://www.capitalfm.com/artists/justin-bieber/news/drake-right-here/ Cocaine white like Justin Bieber (talk) 05:36, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Not done: The article Drake discography lists the guest appearance on "Right Here" and the article Drake videography lists his guest appearance on "Baby". When an artist has extensive appearances such that the discographies or videographies would overwhelm the main article, the practice is generally to only list "main" releases. Also, the web site ethnicelebs is not a reliable source so won't be accepted for changing an article subject's ethnicity or ancestry. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:48, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
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In the Early Life section of Drake's background, the verb "practicing" is used to describe Drake's religious stance, when the correct spelling/grammar should have been "practising", as the verb is practise, the noun is practice. 81.135.80.185 (talk) 10:36, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
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Feuds Both Birdman, alongside Cash Money co-founder Ronald “Slim” Williams, are under a lawsuit that both Prince and Aspire allege they are owed missing profits and copyright royalities relating to Drake’s first six Solo Albums. The Suit cites in sense a breach in contract in good faith, also in fair dealing, along with other claims. The contract allows the court to actually obtain back the access to Cash Money’s financial records in roder to settle the amount htat is requested under the contract. Representatives for Drake and Cash Money records, have been continually asked for more information as the situation plays itself out. In 2016 Drake showed solidarity with Lil Wayne in an Instagram post detailing about how they planned to fight for Lil Wayne’s money. In Drake’s song “Cant Have Everything” he speaks on the situation, throwing shots at Birdman. This has lead to cash money artists, Drake, Lil Wayne, & Nicki minaj working together, possibly releasing a new project soon Julienbynoe (talk) 14:58, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBriTalk 15:10, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
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Wanted to add a citation where "citation needed" was mentioned:
> "[We had] a half of a house we could live in. The other people had the top half, we had the bottom half. I lived in the basement, my mom lived on the first floor. It was not big, it was not luxurious. It was what we could afford."[citation needed]
See http://www.complex.com/music/2011/11/cover-story-uncut-drake-talks-romance-rap-really-real :
> She found us a half of a house we could live in. The other people had the top half, we had the bottom half. I lived in the basement, my mom lived on the first floor. It was not big, it was not luxurious. It was what we could afford.
Apologies if the edit request wasn't in the correct format, the article was protected and the UX to request changes is unclear. Axitkhurana (talk) 21:50, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
Categories - heads up
Putting it here so I don't get barked at for "vandalism". Since Drake is also a dual citizen of America by descent (source is there) I'm gonna add corresponding American categories.Trillfendi (talk) 17:39, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
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Delete the death date and cause of death because he is not dead. This is referencing the song "The Story of Adidon" by Pusha T that was directed at Drake. WholeLottaWoofy (talk) 20:35, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- Done - obviously. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 20:38, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
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Change link for Hidden Hills, California (Drake's residence) to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Hills,_California Currently the link goes to the Hidden Hills television show. Jwpii (talk) 02:30, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
The kid
Adonis's mom is the one who announced his name first before he was born... so why can't it be placed in the article? Trillfendi (talk) 16:13, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
- I removed the name because it is a minor of non-notable status.
- May I ask why the name is important? Or how it may improve the worthiness of the article? Fandomuser21 (talk) 16:23, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
- Isn't being the subject matter of a 2 songs (one by another artist) seems to be notable in itself? It's not about "importantce" (it's not trivial either) it's just consistent. At any rate, how is it decided whose name gets included in articles anyway. Seems like in other articles if the parent announces it, it goes in.Trillfendi (talk) 17:09, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- Well, yes, someone writing songs about the kid the smear the father is definitely a murky area in terms of "notability". But, for the most part, I remove the names of non-notable minor children. I did read about it somewhere here on wikipedia within the thousands of entries of guidelines.Fandomuser21 (talk) 23:20, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
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Vkasbah (talk) 18:25, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Want to add paragraph under Pusha-T heading to conclude the beef the two rappers had. Last post was on may 30th.
James Prince, Rap-A-Lot Record CEO as well as Drake's mentor, spoke with radio personalities Fadam Got da Juice and DJ Reddz of DTLR Radio Saturday and issued for Drake to not respond to Pusha T's "The Story of Adidon". Prince "J Prince" went on to say Pusha T engaged in what is equivalent to a "pig pen mentality" for the lack of respect of Drake's father, mother and OVO producer Noah Shebib. https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/8459093/j-prince-says-he-called-drake-pusha-t-feud. {{cite web}}
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- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP (talk • contribs) 18:45, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
http://www.newsweek.com/james-j-prince-drake-pusha-t-957140 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vkasbah (talk • contribs) 19:13, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
NotTheFakeJTP, the user is asking to add content of Drake vs Pusha T under the Feuds section. Dadondinah (talk) 17:27, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
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I would like to add his a header for his “commercial mixtapes” and include “More Life”, “If you’re reading this it’s too Late”, & “What A time to be alive”, as they should be treated as they are albums, as they were released commercially to markets such as iTunes. RealHomelessJTrump14 (talk) 05:47, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
- Done - Dadondinah (talk) 15:15, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
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Jlody2006sheep (talk) 18:26, 8 April 2018 (UTC) I would like to add his song that he released this year called "God's Plan".
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — IVORK Discuss 23:10, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- Done - God's Plan was added as a single to Drake's discography page by another user, Thanks! Dadondinah (talk) 15:21, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
Semi Protected Edit Request
Please add: Drake overshot the Beatles’ 1964 record of having five songs in the Top 10 at once (however, the Beatles still reign supreme by being the only artist to dominate the Top 5 in the charts). to: "2018–present: Scary Hours and Scorpion" section ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_(musician), and also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpion_(Drake_album)
Source: https://pursuit.ca/entertainment/drake-breaks-major-beatles-record/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barbieosa (talk • contribs) 19:08, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
- Not done Not a reliable source. StrikerforceTalk 18:18, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Edits
About this edit, by user PsychopathicAssassin. None of the sources that he cited has said the statements of the opening sentence. He even used "uncharteddomain", an unreliable source, to back it up. And he "assumes" the American organization RIAA certifying 200 million units in the country (sales+streaming+YouTube views) means Drake has sold 200 million records worldwide, when no reliable source has said that. As usual, he keeps reverting. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 18:09, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
@Cornerstonepicker, two of the sources I have cited in the opening statement have been from USA Today and Business Insider, who have listed the most popular music artists of 2018. I simply paraphrased the contents of the article to provide a general, accepted statement, as listening habits display Drake as being "one of the most popular entertainers in the world". The link from Uncharted Domain, should you care to read it, is a genuine analysis of Drake's popularity and appeal in the mainstream, and why "his contributions to music" is the reason he has been "a global figure in popular culture for over a decade". Furthermore, just because you have not heard of the website, does not make it "unreliable".
Also, the word "worldwide" is defined by Google as "extending or reaching throughout the world". Therefore, this would include the United States. If Drake has been classed by the RIAA of moving 200 million units domestically, it is fair to assume he has moved over 200 million worldwide, as this would also include U.S. sales. Your rationale for the edits to be reverted have no merit. PsychopathicAssassin (talk) 21:44, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- @PsychopathicAssassin: What the sources said: "Most popular artist of 2018 in the US" (they are reporting Nielsen numbers). What you wrote: "One of the most popular entertainers in the world, and one of the best-selling music artists of the 21st century. Drake's contributions to music have made him a global figure in popular culture for over a decade." It is not hard to understand. Don't you see the WP:PEACOCK and your "paraphrasing" being incredible biased? Uncharteddomain is an WP:unreliable source. You have over 50 music magazines and newspapers to back that statement, but you used an unknown website for a reason: Major media hasn't published that statement you want to push in the lead section.
- Don't assume stuff. You are translating "moving 200 million units in the US" to "he has sold 200 million records worldwide." Certified units by the RIAA are not copies sold, units are sales+streaming+YouTube views. There is an user properly citing a source for claimed sales, and you're also reverting it. It is not the first time you write misleading information in this article. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 23:15, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Cornerstonepicker: You are still failing to understand the core issue here. Nielsen numbers, and consistently high sales, is what showcases popularity in the music industry. As a musician is an entertainer, it is not wrong to describe Drake as "One of the most popular entertainers in the world", as user listening habits are just so high. The paraphrasing is not biased. It's simple facts. It is not wrong to say that quote in 2018.
- Again, the Uncharted Domain reference is a great think-piece on Drake's popularity, and the reason why he is so popular. But because you wish for another "major media" source, I have provided one. Also, your defense of the other source is laughable, and greatly hypocritical. 303 Magazine is not "major media", yet you are happily pushing for its inclusion, simply because it fits your narrative.
- Furthermore, the assumption of Drake's worldwide sales are justified, and your knowledge appears incorrect. Sales are referred to as units, as once they reach a particular threshold (1500 streams = one UNIT sold), they are counted toward official sales. Therefore, if we also take into account the definition of the word "worldwide", if Drake has moved 200 million units in the US, it is not a wrong to declare he has moved 200 million worldwide.
- As you were the one to have brought up this issue, please refrain from editing the page again until we reach a conclusion, or we'll simply engage in an edit war. PsychopathicAssassin (talk) 10:46, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- @PsychopathicAssassin: Again, this is not particularly hard to understand. You wrote a statement "paraphrasing" an unreliable website. Then, you added sources that are reliable but they don't mention that statament at all. Then, the other paragraph: copies sold are records sold. Streaming units are translated to equivalent units only for certifications. 200 million certified units by the RIAA ---doesn't mean--- he has sold 200 million records worldwide. This is not the first time you like being misleading for this artist. For solutions, I'd like a third opinion from other users @SNUGGUMS and Ss112: Btw, be careful when telling other users to not edit an article. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 23:54, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- Popularity claims not withstanding, I'll say now that units from streams ARE NOT the same as sales. Don't mix streaming-equivalent units with pure sales to give a total sales figures. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:59, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- Agree with SNUGGUMS: 200 million units in the US cannot be extrapolated to mean 200 million units worldwide. Drake probably has moved 200 million units worldwide easy. But if the source states 200 million units in the US, you should say only that and refrain from including comments on "worldwide" until you can find a source explicitly stating that. We also do not confuse units with actual sales, despite however many streams counting as one unit sold. It's also a matter of specificity. Uncharted Domain definitely looks like a generic Wordpress blog and appears not reliable per WP:RS, WP:SPS, WP:BLOG—take your pick. For the record though, I'd probably try to steer clear of 303 Magazine if you can as well, it looks like a slightly more detailed Wordpress blog itself. Ss112 02:28, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- By the way @Cornerstonepicker: How recent is the addition to the lead of "He is one of the most popular entertainers in the world, and one of the best-selling music artists of the 21st century. Drake's contributions to music have made him a global figure in popular culture for over a decade"? Definitely ask around about that, I'm sure other users would agree that it does sound like peacockery. Yes, we know Drake is extremely popular but I think it could be much better written and stick closer to what the sources say. Ss112 02:32, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Ss112: The user added it three weeks ago. Indeed that's not in the sources. I was thinking in naming how he has broken chart records or streaming stats but both are already in the following paragraphs. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 04:02, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- Maybe ask at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Words to watch or Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons if users there think it's peacockery. Definitely sounds like it to me. Ss112 04:44, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- Done in WP:MOS. I think I'll add a [failed verification] tag to the statement temporarily. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 03:08, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
- Maybe ask at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Words to watch or Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons if users there think it's peacockery. Definitely sounds like it to me. Ss112 04:44, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Ss112: The user added it three weeks ago. Indeed that's not in the sources. I was thinking in naming how he has broken chart records or streaming stats but both are already in the following paragraphs. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 04:02, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- By the way @Cornerstonepicker: How recent is the addition to the lead of "He is one of the most popular entertainers in the world, and one of the best-selling music artists of the 21st century. Drake's contributions to music have made him a global figure in popular culture for over a decade"? Definitely ask around about that, I'm sure other users would agree that it does sound like peacockery. Yes, we know Drake is extremely popular but I think it could be much better written and stick closer to what the sources say. Ss112 02:32, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- Agree with SNUGGUMS: 200 million units in the US cannot be extrapolated to mean 200 million units worldwide. Drake probably has moved 200 million units worldwide easy. But if the source states 200 million units in the US, you should say only that and refrain from including comments on "worldwide" until you can find a source explicitly stating that. We also do not confuse units with actual sales, despite however many streams counting as one unit sold. It's also a matter of specificity. Uncharted Domain definitely looks like a generic Wordpress blog and appears not reliable per WP:RS, WP:SPS, WP:BLOG—take your pick. For the record though, I'd probably try to steer clear of 303 Magazine if you can as well, it looks like a slightly more detailed Wordpress blog itself. Ss112 02:28, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: Like I stated here, if sources support it, we are allowed to note that a person is one of the most popular entertainers in the world, one of the best-selling music artists of the 21st century, and a global figure in popular culture for over a decade. But, per WP:Peacock, it's good to note why he is one of the most popular entertainers in the world. The lead is for summarizing, but there is surely a way to briefly note why (he's one of the most popular entertainers in the world) in the lead. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 14:01, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
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Remove this nonsensical sentence, particularly the italicized/quoted portion:
However, Drake is often revered for incorporating "degrading" themes of money, drug use, and women into newer, idealized contexts, often achieving this through his augmentation of the typical meaning of phrases in which he combines an objective and subjective perspective into one vocal delivery 163.191.26.19 (talk) 22:21, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 15:07, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
Use of "musician" in article title
Wouldn't it be best to disambiguate article with a more accurate term, such as "rapper" or "singer"? Lapadite (talk) 21:18, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Not really, it's difficult to categorize Drake career-wise, for example, you might know he also had a lead role on a successful television programme before becoming a rapper/singer. The brave celery (talk) 00:07, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
Lapadite, he was given this title because “rapper/singer” is not an adequate category here (he’s was originally Drake (entertainer) but that’s simply too vague). If it was up to me he would simply be titled “Drake (rapper)”. It’s obvious he raps more than he sings. It’s extremely rare that’s he’s featured on another artist’s song as a singer rather than a rapper.Trillfendi (talk) 20:58, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Just stop.
As I’m one of the Top 20 editors of Drake’s page, seems I have to take up the sword to make sure the information in the article is accurate, unbiased, and up to Wikipedia’s BLP standards. If that includes perpetually reverting stupid, destructive edits then so be it. Yet for incomprehensible reasons, redlink users with 600 contributions to their name want to continue to disrupt this page with bullshit. Common sense doesn’t have to be explained.
- Grammys are not "captured", for Christ’s sake stop using Google Translate. And it’s original research to assume why they went to commercial. The official statement they gave is what should be used. Watch the speech, and it’s obvious that he paused then started a new sentence before the abrupt commercial break. His microphone was not cut. This is trivial.
- 6 God has been a nickname he’s used since at least If You’re Reading This It’s Too Late. Drizzy has been used for 10 goddamn years. Still his Twitter handle. Any Drake fan knows this. If you care so much about redundant citations then BE BOLD and google it yourself.
- Drake lives in both California and Ontario. Any casual observer could go to his Instagram and see just 4 days ago he posted from his condo that is adjacent to the CN Tower. It’s also in the Personal life section! Trillfendi (talk) 03:18, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
@Trillfendi, allow me, the aforementioned redlink user, to address your concerns.
- Firstly, Grammy Awards are able to be "captured"; it is an appropriate verb to use considering the context provided, in much the same way you can use the word when sportspeople capture championships.
- Secondly, you appear to be a staunch advocate for not using trivial or "own research", which is good, considering Wikipedia policy. Yet, your second (and third, especially) argument(s) rely heavily on the latter; provide the reference and make the edit, or it is just own research, which is against policy, and destructive.
- Lastly, you didn't mention this, but I feel I should. The associated acts portion of the page is fine the way I have edited it; it retains artists who Drake would have close ties to (40/Boi-1da being long time producers, signing to and being bandmates with Lil Wayne and Nicki Minaj, working with Future on an album, working with The Weeknd and PartyNextDoor to a degree of having all but a project, and the obvious personal/professional relationship with Rihanna).
While your concerns with adding Travis Scott, DJ Khaled, and Rick Ross are valid, they simply have not worked together to the degree of the above artists; Scott and Drake have only provided a sole feature to each other's albums, Khaled works with a plethora of artists, many of whom have provided more to his projects than Drake has, while Rick Ross and Drake have not worked together since 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BoogieFreeman (talk • contribs) 13:57, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Drake grooming Millie Bobby Brown
Why isn't this mentioned in the article? This is extremely serious stuff. [1] [2][3][4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.90.46.127 (talk) 01:56, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- Because it’s bullshit. Brown already said you people are trying to pervert a professional friendship and mentorship. We don’t do agendas around here. Wikipedia is not a gossip site nor for fringe conspiracy theories. Trillfendi (talk) 15:04, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
- ^ https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/14-year-old-millie-bobby-brown-drake-31-text-boys-internet-horrified-called-grooming-162337845.html
- ^ https://news.avclub.com/31-year-old-drake-apparently-texts-14-year-old-millie-b-1829173809
- ^ https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2018/09/210592/millie-bobby-brown-defends-friendship-with-drake
- ^ https://nylon.com/articles/teen-fan-grooming-drake-borns
Gender Issues
I believe that there may be enough to create a small section under controversy about Drake's views on women. He has a reputation as a Nice Guy, but there is a lot of literature out there about how this reputation masks a deeper problem. Namely, songs like Hotline Bling evince a controlling attitude and belief that women should be "good girls" and not be too sexually active, party, dress a certain way, etc. I am open to discussion on whether it's worthy of inclusion, though I am unable to do a writeup myself for a while. [1] [2][3][4] Lciaccio (talk) 02:30, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- This isn’t Jezebel.com. It’s not neutral for us to editorialize on that subject. Trillfendi (talk) 02:35, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- ^ https://theundefeated.com/features/can-drake-stop-trying-to-control-womens-sexuality-more-life/
- ^ https://splinternews.com/sorry-but-drake-s-obsession-with-good-girls-is-sexist-1793852163
- ^ http://affinitymagazine.us/2016/04/29/does-drake-actually-respect-women
- ^ https://www.thedailybeast.com/drakes-new-strip-club-and-his-love-and-fear-of-working-women
Requested move 23 March 2019
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The result of the move request was: Not moved per WP:SNOW. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 10:09, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
– Primary topic for “Drake” Mrbeastmodeallday (talk) 21:40, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Per the previous discussions given the long-term significance of the duck and mythology in addition to the large number of other uses on the DAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 23:05, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- Comment The article’s title has already gone through 3 moves. Leave it the way it is. While I couldn’t care less about the dictionary definition of “drake” or the other people who have Drake in their name, this title is the most sufficient. Trillfendi (talk) 23:59, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- Strongly oppose move. We've been over this. I don't think we're quite in snowclose territory, but it's unlikely that this will succeed. ONR (talk) 00:01, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
- What again? CLOSE CLOSE CLOSE In ictu oculi (talk) 08:29, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose no evidence supplied by the nom to confirm that it is indeed the primary topic. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:02, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2019
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Please hyperlink Drake tour - Assassination Vacation with the tour dates. Dannyladd (talk) 12:16, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
- Partly done Let's wait until the tour concludes so nothing happens in between such as canceled shows. Trillfendi (talk) 13:52, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
- Someone has to create the article (I guess it'll have to be me) because Assassination Vacation is already the name of an article here. Trillfendi (talk) 23:49, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
- It’s going to be a while before I get to it because I legitimately do not feel like doing it, but I have begun the draft (just not on Wikipedia). Trillfendi (talk) 01:54, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
- Someone has to create the article (I guess it'll have to be me) because Assassination Vacation is already the name of an article here. Trillfendi (talk) 23:49, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
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Drake Is Also Known As Drizzy 41.77.91.204 (talk) 20:37, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
- Not done I put that and argued for it months ago but evidently Wikipedia’s policy nicknames can only go there if he has actually released music under that name. For now, it’s just a nickname. Trillfendi (talk) 20:45, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
Requested move 11 May 2019
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The result of the move request was: not moved. The consensus here is clearly against the request. I'm closing this early per WP:SNOW. I'd highly recommend anyone considering another move request think twice before doing so. (non-admin closure) Calidum 05:14, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Drake (musician) → Drake (vocalist) – The word “vocalist” is the best way to both accurately and concisely articulate his notability in one word. “Musician” is better for people notable for playing musical instruments, and Drake has little to no notability related to playing musical instruments. “Rapper” and “singer” are good for people who are primarily notable for one but not the other. Since Drake is notable for both singing and rapping, “vocalist” is an ideal label. Prior to adding an opinion to the discussion, please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia:Article titles#Precision and disambiguation if you haven’t already done so. Thanks Mrbeastmodeallday (talk) 22:35, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
- Drake (singer) surely. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:00, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment It would take less than 0.5 seconds to scroll up and see that even less than a month ago there was already a requested move that was SNOW kept. Meaning there was not a snowball’s chance in hell that it was gonna be moved anymore. Maybe if people would learn to read before they make rash decisions, pointless discussions would be avoided and time wouldn’t be wasted. We don’t care how many people disagree about the definition of musician. The page has already been called things Drake (entertainer), Drake (rapper), Drake (singer), Drake (rapper / singer) (a category that doesn’t exist), Drake (MC), and Aubrey Graham. At least 6 known moves already! And now you want to add a seventh for your own gratification? This is ridiculous. Musician encompasses all the performances he does including producing, writing, etc. That’s why the page requires indefinite move protection, because of bs like this. Trillfendi (talk) 23:15, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
- It doesn't look like this particular move has been discussed before so I don't see how it's unreasonable. The last three move discussions were all for making this article the primary use of "Drake", which is a different thing entirely. PC78 (talk) 23:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
- Someone once said, "leave well enough alone." For what it’s worth, Drake is never gonna be the primary topic. The only unreasonable thing here is this subject’s move logs over the past 14 years. Trillfendi (talk) 23:37, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Seems to have quite a bit of song writing credits. Musician seems to cover all bases.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 00:01, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose. Please see WP:MUSICDAB and actually look at the options listed there. (singer) is for those solely known for singing, (rapper) is for only rappers, and (musician) is for those known in multiple musical fields (and (entertainer) for those known additionally in non-musical fields and so on...). The disambiguator (musician) is completely sufficient by encompassing both singing and rapping which he is known for, and it follows this guideline. There is no reason to change it. Funny that this very article is listed as the example for (musician). Lazz_R 00:06, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- SNOW Close – We need to stop doing RMs on this subject. StaticVapor message me! 08:49, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose: per Lazz_R. Ceethekreator (talk) 09:10, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose and propose a moratorium on new RM requests until something radically changes about the subject or our guidelines. -- Netoholic @ 19:44, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- WP:SNOW Oppose/close @Mrbeastmodeallday: please withdraw and close yourself. If not next editor should close. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:46, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support per nomination. Since subject's renown stems from his vocal performances, rather than his skill in coaxing sound out of musical equipment, then "(vocalist)" does appear to be the more natural qualifier. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:26, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Let’s be honest with ourselves: he’s not a particularly or technically good singer; he just happens to get some attention for singing because he’s a rapper (it seems like Drake walked so Childish Gambino could run. Childish sings like Prince). He rarely does singing-only singles. Vocalist is a misnomer here and frankly too generous. Aside: The reason he got this page in the first place was being an actor. But his acting days are over. Trillfendi (talk) 21:53, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment. I've got no strong feelings either way, but there are other examples of "(vocalist)" used as a disambiguator (eg. Chuck Billy (vocalist), Dallas Taylor (vocalist), David Palmer (vocalist), Big John Hamilton (vocalist), Paul Smith (rock vocalist), David White (heavy metal vocalist), Steve Smith (house music vocalist)) so this request seems perfectly reasonable to me. As far as I can tell this is only the second RM discussion in the last 18 months, that hardly seems disruptive so perhaps users could tone down the histrionics a touch in calling for a snow close and perhaps focus on the merits of the proposal? PC78 (talk) 21:46, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- "is best known as the lead vocalist for the thrash metal band Testament", "is the vocalist for the Southern metal band Maylene and the Sons of Disaster", "is the former {vocalist} of Steely Dan", is the {vocalist} for the British indie rock group Maxïmo Park", "is the lead vocalist who is best known for singing in the thrash metal band Heathen", "is the vocalist for the house music group Dirty Vegas". Hopefully, you can see what's the pattern here, and why Drake is not a "vocalist". I would instead suggest a move to those articles with a better and more generic disambiguator. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 22:22, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- So he's not a vocalist because he's not in a band? (I note you skipped over Big John Hamilton who was a solo artist.) Perhaps they should be moved, but the distinction you're trying to make is both false and trivial. PC78 (talk) 22:30, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- So false and trivial, that that's the definition given by dictionaries. So yes, "he's not a vocalist because he's not in a band". © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 22:50, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Maybe look up "typically" while you've got the dictionary open? PC78 (talk) 22:52, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Why should I? You are the only one defending a dead RM. Good luck next time :) © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 23:00, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Maybe look up "typically" while you've got the dictionary open? PC78 (talk) 22:52, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- So false and trivial, that that's the definition given by dictionaries. So yes, "he's not a vocalist because he's not in a band". © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 22:50, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- So he's not a vocalist because he's not in a band? (I note you skipped over Big John Hamilton who was a solo artist.) Perhaps they should be moved, but the distinction you're trying to make is both false and trivial. PC78 (talk) 22:30, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- "is best known as the lead vocalist for the thrash metal band Testament", "is the vocalist for the Southern metal band Maylene and the Sons of Disaster", "is the former {vocalist} of Steely Dan", is the {vocalist} for the British indie rock group Maxïmo Park", "is the lead vocalist who is best known for singing in the thrash metal band Heathen", "is the vocalist for the house music group Dirty Vegas". Hopefully, you can see what's the pattern here, and why Drake is not a "vocalist". I would instead suggest a move to those articles with a better and more generic disambiguator. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 22:22, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose, close and support moratorium. 7 RMs in 6 years is disruptive. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 23:03, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
- What's the disruption exactly? What's wrong with discussion especially for a proposal that hasn't been discussed before? Genuinely baffled by the hostility here. PC78 (talk) 23:16, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
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Protected edit request on 14 June 2019
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Request: Change volume to volume.
Reason: volume refers to 3D shapes, loudness to sound Calvinballing (talk) 17:34, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. — JJMC89 (T·C) 00:38, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
RfC for associate act
The consensus is to list Kanye West as an associated act on Drake (musician). The consensus is that the two have collaborated enough to justify inclusion of Kanye West as an associated act (see examples by PraiseVivec and Hickland).
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Should we list Kanye West as an associated act despite the fact, beefs and Kanye’s conspiracy allegations notwithstanding, that they haven’t publicly collaborated in years? In my opinion, only one of their songs together was particularly notable but that was 10 years ago. Trillfendi (talk) 21:07, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose – Does not meet the infobox guideline for inclusion. StaticVapor message me! 01:20, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support – Kanye West is a notable figure, has collaborated with Drake in the past, and Drake himself cites Kanye as an influence. Alex.osheter (talk) 09:09, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support - The fact that Kanye West is a notable figure or that he was an influence on Drake shouldn't make him an "associated act". Collaborations between the two artists should. And since Drake and Kanye chave a history of collaboration, Kanye should be added. Yes, their last song together was almost a decade ago, but their actual collaboration hasn't stopped there. In 2013 Drake brought Kanye on stage at OVO Fest in what he later described as "the most important moment in my career".[1] As recently as 2016 they talked about a joint album they were working together and that might or might not happen.[2] Additionally, Drake contributed to the writing of a couple of songs off Kanye's 2016 The Life of Pablo.[3] Yes, their overly publicized beef makes the headlines more often, but their musical collaboration hasn't completely stopped in 2011. PraiseVivec (talk) 12:59, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but these comments do not indicate how he meets the guideline at Template: Infobox musical artist#Associated acts. Being an influence or making appearances on stage with him is not a part of the guideline for inclusion. StaticVapor message me! 18:59, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment it's better to base an incluson/exclusion on the number of songs they worked on together, not a personal opinion of whether tracks were "particularly notable". I'll grant that Template:Infobox musical artist isn't entirely clear how many "multiple" refers to in the criteria "collaborated on multiple occasions, or on an album, or toured with as a single collaboration act playing together", but how many would be enough to count? That seems subject to interpretation and I recommend implementing a clear minimum. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 15:16, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
- Rick Ross and Drake worked on at least 14 songs together but some uncultured swine around here don’t think that’s enough, yet think a smattering of, what, 3 songs with Travis Scott is worth prime real estate. So yes, I went the opinion route. There have been song(s) between Kanye and Drake that have been deleted from Wikipedia for lack of notability. Trillfendi (talk) 15:50, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
- Is Ross seriously not included? They have made more than enough songs together. In response to SNUGGUMS, I always thought 4-5 songs, or appearing on multiple albums (depending how many they have released) of the artist would be enough. StaticVapor message me! 01:16, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Put bluntly, every time I put it there some new dickhead would come out of the wood work to remove it. It makes no sense. Trillfendi (talk) 01:50, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Is Ross seriously not included? They have made more than enough songs together. In response to SNUGGUMS, I always thought 4-5 songs, or appearing on multiple albums (depending how many they have released) of the artist would be enough. StaticVapor message me! 01:16, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Rick Ross and Drake worked on at least 14 songs together but some uncultured swine around here don’t think that’s enough, yet think a smattering of, what, 3 songs with Travis Scott is worth prime real estate. So yes, I went the opinion route. There have been song(s) between Kanye and Drake that have been deleted from Wikipedia for lack of notability. Trillfendi (talk) 15:50, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support. I think it's important to note that the information on the associated acts section of Infobox musical artists states that usage of the field should be avoided in cases of "Association of producers, managers, etc. (who are themselves acts) with other acts." However, although the two people in question have collaborated extensively behind-the-scenes with songwriting/producing/etc., they have also performed a song together. Therefore, I believe that this statement does not apply, and so, per the extensive collaboration on songs both as authors, and otherwise, Kanye West should be listed as an associated act. Hickland (talk) 19:19, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
References
- ^ "The History Of Drake And Kanye West's Complex Relationship: What Went Wrong?". Capital XTRA. Retrieved 18 May 2019.
- ^ Crowder, Khaaliq (18 December 2018). "Remember The Time: 10 Times Drake And Kanye West Were Stronger Together". Vibe. Retrieved 18 May 2019.
- ^ Slavik, Nathan. "Drake Wrote on Two Songs on Kanye's 'The Life of Pablo' Album". DJBooth.net. Retrieved 18 May 2019.
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Residency and citizenship
- Drake's primary residence is Hidden Hills, California, U.S. according to every reliable source on the topic in this article. Owning various properties in Toronto does not make you a resident of Toronto, even if you are a citizen of Canada, and were born in said city. Drake owns property in London and Miami too, but we don't include those in the infobox because they aren't his primary residences.
- As for his citizenship, the only source we have for U.S. citizenship is a quote from him where he says "but I'm a dual-citizen!" while humorously trying to get a gig at an Obama campaign event. This does not come close to meeting the standard set at WP:Reliable sources and appears in no other context. Citizenship is an incredibly black-and-white concept, until a reliable source confirms his dual-citizenship status, there is no reason citizenship should be included in the infobox.
- TrailBlzr (talk) 15:11, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- Completely agree on both fronts. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 17:34, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Request to fix typo in Drake article
A sentence in the first paragraph has incorrect verb conjugation:
“Drake's contributions to music has made him a global figure in popular culture for over a decade.”
“Made” connects back to “contributions,” which is plural. Therefore the sentence should read, “Drake’s contributions *have* made him a global figure...”
Thanks for your consideration. 65.60.226.11 (talk) 03:00, 27 July 2018 (UTC)selene62
- Done Sro23 (talk) 03:03, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
Drake's last name is spelled without the a Hotgurl34 (talk) 03:51, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Suggestion: add line about Drake's philanthropy benefiting the Amazon rainforest in Public image section
As per this article on complex, https://www.complex.com/style/2019/09/drake-is-contributing-profits-from-his-rock-in-rio-shirt-to-amazon-conservation-team, Drake has recently branched out to supporting NGO's working in the Brazilian Amazon, following the news of the fires in the rainforest. Worth a mention in the Public Image section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14D:8B00:353:E908:64:6EA3:76BE (talk) 21:11, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
Drake's early life
Drake's parents divorced when he was five years old. ... Graham claimed in an interview that Drake's assertions of him being an absent father were embellishments used to sell records, which Drake vehemently denies. Drake was raised in two Toronto neighbourhoods. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.191.113.108 (talk) 09:37, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Article Name Change Suggestion
Can you please change the article name from "Drake (musician)" to "Drake (rapper)"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:19B:8480:31A0:3885:55CB:ACD1:F34D (talk) 01:59, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Not done This is an unmitigated no. This page has been moved way too many times and we as editors decided to permanently lock this page from being moved anymore. Trillfendi (talk) 02:10, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- I'd hope they do so eventually. I don't know how a group of people could come to the consensus that Drake is most commonly referred as a "musician". The word commonly used to describe Drake in the actual sources of this article, is obviously going to be "rapper", as that is what he's known for doing. "Musician" is only commonly used to describe people who play instruments. Its use as a blanket term for popular musical acts is archaic and out-of-use. The prevailing blanket term for musical acts in this century has been "artist" or "musical artist". Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 11:06, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Nikki Lee 1999: This article's name has been changed about a dozen times since its creation; for a while it was Drake (entertainer). We decided we had enough of the disruption and settled here. There will be pedantic people who believe the display of the ability to instruments is what strictly qualifies a musician but we still aren't changing it. ⌚️ (talk) 17:57, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
- {reply|Trillfendi} Not trying to be pedantic, but you're right. I've noticed the article title change a lot over the years. Just kinda sucks that it wound with such an awkward title. Maybe we could give it another go by the end of this decade or something, lol. Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 19:22, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
Add Travis Scott to associated acts
They have a few songs together now & drake flew him out to his Toronto show last year to perform Opientiant (talk) 22:28, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Opientiant: I think it was there before but someone must have removed it a while ago. People can't decide which associated acts are "big" enough. ⌚️ (talk) 22:52, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, I don't really understand the definition of "Associated act", is there any information-pages on Wikipedia mentioning anything about it? In my opinion Drake And Travis become "very" associated after releasing the song SICKO MODE, which in my opinion should be enough for them to be seen as associated.Zandor (talk) 20:50, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
- @DariuZzandor: It can be found here. ⌚️ (talk) 21:14, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. Zandor (talk) 21:18, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
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Canadian—American?
Since he is a dual citizen, should he be called a Canadian—American rapper? RKJ 5 (talk) 18:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- @RKJ 5: Not every dual citizen is described as such in the lead. His life and career is almost exclusively associated with Canada. E.g. Scarlett Johansson is not described as Danish-American. ⌚️ (talk) 18:57, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
infobox image
Is it me or does it look rather blurry up close? Should we change it? The previous one was relatively recent and was clearer. The brave celery (talk) 20:20, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- @The brave celery: Yes, it’s blurry but for now this is what we have to work with. ⌚️ (talk) 22:01, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Possible category switch
Currently Drake is placed in the category African-American rappers, but should he be moved to the subcategory African-American male rappers?
- Done Sure. Trillfendi (talk) 19:10, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Birthday
Yo' he was born the same day as me Nocles (talk) 23:56, 24 September 2020 (UTC)