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Custody

Last time I read this article, the family section mentioned that he has custody of his daughter, brother, and cousin. Where has this information gone? Dev920, who misses Jeffpw. 16:42, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Just a guess, but it was most likely removed because there was either no reference cited, or the reference cited was not considered a suitably Reliable Source. Articles on Biographies of living persons have to be extra strict about that sort of thing; even moreso to maintain it's present "Good article" status. If a reliable source can be found (perhaps it's mentioned in his autobiography), then I should think that it would be perfectly acceptable content for this article. -Verdatum (talk) 15:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Eminem Never Lived In Kansas City

The article is wrong in saying he lived in Kansas City. I want to change it but since this is a good article, I want to post this here first. The story of his living in Kansas City evolved from an early biography which stated he was born "near Kansas City" (St. Joseph is about 45 miles from KC). He was born at Methodist Hospital in St. Joseph (the hospital is no longer there) and initially lived on South 11th Street in St. Joseph. He later moved about 10 miles north to Savannah, Missouri and from there moved to Michigan. The importance of St. Joseph is reflected by the fact that he first got married in St. Joseph rather than Michigan. All of these facts including a specific disavowal of ever living in KC can be referenced in Debbie Nelson's "My Son Marshall, My Son Eminem" much of which is available at: http://books.google.com/books?id=3GmC51vbwnoC&pg=PA65&dq=Eminem+Savannah#PPA17,M1 (my interest in all this is that I am from there and so am familiar with local news articles discussing all this). Americasroof (talk) 16:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Also Known As...?

Eminem has not been referred to as "M&M" since before he was signed. Also known by the alias: Douchebag.

Nobody ever calls him that... He changed it from M&M to Eminem in order to avoid legal issues with a certain candy company.

"M&M" is not an A.K.A. for Eminem. I recommend taking this out of the post?

Eminem is also referred to as "Slim Shady" which is a name he gave himself.

That's the worst picture of Eminem I've ever seen. Wikipedia can do better. Just email his fanclub or whatever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.43.68.170 (talk) 19:01, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Eminem in "Funny People"

According to this: http://www.rapbasement.com/Eminem/051509-eminem-reveals-that-he-makes-a-cameo-in-the-new-judd-apatow-movie-funny-people.html

He gonna be in the movie Funny People:

Eminem is everywhere now-adays, well at least it seems like it. Although he is currently at the start of his long-awaited return to the top of the music industry, Eminem is also returning to Hollywood. In the new issue of VIBE magazine, Eminem revealed that he recently shot a scene for the upcoming new movie from Judd Apatow ("Knocked Up," "The 40 Year Old Virgin") movie called "Funny People."

"I just did a cameo a few months ago with Adam Sandler and Seth Rogen in a Judd Apatow produced film," Eminem said. "It's called Funny People." In the new movie, Adam Sandler plays a famous comedian (what a strech) diagnosed with a life-threatening illness while Seth Rogen is an aspiring comedian who Sandler's character takes under his wing. The film is set to hit theaters on July 31st and will also star fellow rapper RZA, "Superbad" star Jonah Hill plus the always funny Sarah Silverman.

"I kinda do a little cameo in that," states Eminem, "which was fun by the way. And 8 Mile was not a fun movie to shoot." Slim Shady says the grueling production schedule of "8 Mile" may have contributed to his dependency on the prescription drug sleeping pill Ambien. "Will I end up doing another movie again?" he muses. "Probably yeah." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadygeneral (talk • contribs) 23:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Eminem

Orgin rap NOT hip hop —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.177.34.150 (talk) 14:24, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

no its hip-hop: listen to Infinite. everything that they describe is about hip-hop so it must be "hip-hop". If they said things about rap, then it would "rap" --J miester25 (talk) 14:33, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

If you believe the current content to be mistaken, please provide a Reliable Source that states otherwise. Without such a source, your claim can only be interpreted as Original Research, which is not acceptable for article content. -Verdatum (talk) 15:16, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

You know what "rap" means, right? Rhythmic American Poetry. Sounds like "hip hop" to me. The so called differences between rap and hip hop are pure silliness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Minnesota cold (talk • contribs) 06:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Hip-hop is a culture. Rap is a musical genre that is a part of that culture. lrn2music pl0x kthxbai Your Mother

It's all subjective. Rap was used a term long before hip-hop. I have heard both rap culture and hip-hop culture, so you telling me one is better than the other is ridiculous. Minnesota cold (talk) 11:20, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I never said one was better than the other. I just pointed out the FACT that hip-hop is a culture and rap is a genre. Also, rap was not used before hip-hop. You should consider pointing out facts as I just did rather than making up nonsense. Perhaps I was mistaken, you should lrn2read and then lrn2music. kthxbai Your Mother

What's with the text speak? Are you 12 years old? You didn't point out "facts". You just stated your opinion and claimed it to be fact. Please show me a source where hip-hop was used before rap, then you might have a case. Until then, this discussion is futile. Minnesota cold (talk) 01:23, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

lol at the internet tough guy that can't tell the difference between rap and hip-hop. is it because you're a racist so you don't lower yourself to listening to "black" music or associating with "black" culture? wikipedia isn't the place for your bigotry so either do something constructive or leave.

I'm glad you so eloquently stated opinion. I'd say it's pretty racist of you to assume I'm white. It's too bad using proper spelling and grammar is associated with "acting white", whatever that may be. But this is not the place for that discussion. Have fun with your backwards opinions. Minnesota cold (talk) 07:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

What are you talking about? No one said you're white. And no one said anything about "acting white". You must be new to the internet. Don't feed the trolls. Also, you're right Wikipedia isn't the place for you to share your race or ethnic background so stop carrying on a conversation with someone who probably isn't even a registered user and just comes here to troll.  Anonymous  ^Talk  08:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

(This comment was previously removed improperly as vandalism, readding it now) Everyone, please avoid the argument by sticking to the properly sourced information found at hip hop and rapping. The two terms are frequently used interchangeably, and in certain regions, it is possible that one term is more popularly attributed to a certain meaning over another. To avoid these types of arguments, "rapping" is the term used to describe the technique and act of rhythmic spoken delivery of rhymes, wordplay, and poetry. and "hip hop" defines both the musical genre and subculture. If you don't like these definitions, present your arguments and support at Wikiproject: Hip hop. Unless making an argument as to why Eminem is an exception to the consensus, further discussion on this matter is likely off-topic for this page. Off-topic discussion, and more importantly personal attacks are subject to immediate deletion. -Verdatum (talk) 21:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

How is that there's no mention of the infamous "Foolish Pride" tape? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.52.40.9 (talk) 10:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Please place new comments at the bottom of the discussion. It isn't mentioned because no one has bothered to uncover a reliable source that discusses it (and no, the lyrics from Yellow Brick Road are not sufficient). If you can find such a source, feel free to add appropriate facts. -Verdatum (talk) 13:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

The word "dissed"

I'm not a fan of Eminem at all, but I came here looking for something and was bothered by the word being used here. Is "dissed" something that belongs in an encyclopedia article? I mean, it is slang after all. Unless somehow there is another non-slang version I don't know of. I would suggest somebody go over the article and change that. Tlonmaster (talk) 04:29, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

dis or diss (dĭs)

tr.v. dissed, diss·ing, diss·es Informal

To show disrespect to, often by insult or criticism: "[The network] is often dissed for going after older, less demographically :desirable viewers" (Michael McWilliams).

[African American Vernacular English, short for disrespect.]

It's a word. SE KinG. ^{User page.} _Talk. 04:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but it's still colloquial english. Slang. Regardless of its presence as a word, it doesn't belong here and should be removed beyond its existence in quotes. Another example would be to say that while Ain't is accepted into many dictionaries it is still not appropriate for Wikipedia's tone. 76.17.237.0 (talk) 14:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Relapse album date

{{editsemiprotected}} The article "Eminem" states,"He released his first album since 2004, Relapse, on May 15, 2009." The actual release date was May 19, 2009. Please change May 15, 2009 to May 19, 2009 This can be verified by viewing this link Muffinsmom (talk) 02:53, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

• The date is correct. If you look at other sources the album was released in some European countries May 15, 2009.  Anonymous  ^Talk  03:10, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Question: @Mertens21: The site Muffinsmom references is the official Eminem site which states May 19th. That seems pretty authoritative. Can you provide an authoritative reference which supports the May 15th release date? Celestra (talk) 12:56, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

• Well besides the fact that I live in Italy and bought the album on the 15th there is also the "Release history" section of the Relapse page here on Wikipedia with a list of release dates and links that give those dates. You can also find the release date as the 15th here, here (for the Australian release on the 15th), here (in Italian for the Italian release on the 15th), and here (in Dutch for the Netherlands release on the 15th). Hope that clears it up.  Anonymous  ^Talk  15:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
• Also, the reason the official site gives that date is because that was the date of the official worldwide release. So really both dates should probably be included. Something like "Relapse was released on May 15th, 2009 in some countries with the worldwide release being on May 19th, 2009."  Anonymous  ^Talk  15:58, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Eminem - Marshall Mathers III Born:17th October 1973 (age 35) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mimi29 (talk • contribs) 22:06, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

• This is irrelevant to the topic being discussed. If you have something relevant to add to this discussion feel free to do so. If you have a topic you would like to discuss that is relevant to the article, but not relevant to this topic look through the talk page to see if it's already being discussed and if it is not add a new section at the bottom of this talk page.  Anonymous  ^Talk  00:40, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like either date would be valid. The personal experience is OR and we can't reference ourselves, but the other references make it clear that there are different release dates, not one release date and earlier availablility in some places. For a peripheral detail like this, I wouldn't complicate the lede by including both dates, but if either date is left out, someone will surely "correct" the date in the future. Can you two agree on a solution and implement it? Celestra (talk) 13:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Or we could just mention the month and year alone, and leave the album's article to present the details. -Verdatum (talk) 15:13, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Makes sense to me. Maybe just mention the album was released on different days in different places throughout the middle of May 2009 and then link to the album's article.  Anonymous  ^Talk  21:27, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

In Eminem's page for Relapse, why does it only say Crack a Bottle, We Made You, 3 A.M., For Old Time's Sake, and Beautiful? Stay Wide Awake, My Mom, Underground, and Insane are the ones i can think of off the top of my head, correct me if im wrongSharpsh00ter155 (talk) 23:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

• I'm not sure what you mean. The page has all of the songs on the album. The songs you referred to as being there are the singles from the album. There is a list of all of the songs further down the page.  Anonymous  ^Talk  01:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

EMINEM CROWNED "ARTIST OF THE DECADE," TOTAL ALBUMS OUTSELL JAY-Z & NELLY

This is pretty imp. info. which should be added at the top of the article, he is now officially the highest selling music artist of the decade (cheers!), here's the link http://www.sohh.com/2009/05/eminem_crowned_artist_of.html, please add this as soon as possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.173.148.17 (talk) 17:54, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Ye this is a stupid test to do at the moment, right at the release of a new album he has. Relapse will sell millions, im thinking around 5 million. His album in 2000 sold 10 million, with 1.2 mill in the first week, and relapse sold 600k, so im thinking around half of the total. so he should be way in first in a bit, just wait. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharpsh00ter155 (talk • contribs) 23:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Date Discrepancy

The caption for the photo for his "Early Life and Infinite" says he is onstage with Soul Intent in 1992. The article says he joined in 1995. One of these is wrong then right? Im not sure which. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.164.65 (talk) 01:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Photo

Surely there must be a better photo of Eminem somewhere than that fuzzy thing we have at the moment? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.12.240.223 (talk) 23:46, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

This has been discussed many times before. Take a look at the archives. -Verdatum (talk) 14:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Look at the picture...

This is definatly one of the worst pictures on Wikipedia.... because there's so few pictures of Eminem in existance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.205.0.204 (talk) 15:01, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

You didn't need to create a new section for this. It's the same topic as the one above, and you aren't really proposing any fix, just voicing your dissatisfaction. If you don't like it, go acquire a better free image. -Verdatum (talk) 14:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Homophobic lyrics

How is it that there's no mention at all of Eminem's many homophobic lyrics in this article? If it lights on his misogyny--and it does--it should also remark on his homophobia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.117.7.237 (talk) 07:01, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I concur with the comment above. It's a staple of many of his songs, and sources shouldn't be hard to find at all. Will a registered editor please do something about it? 87.196.27.30 (talk) 23:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

When quizzed about his aledged homophobia Eminem's response has consistently been that his song are in character and that he personally is not homophobic. He played on his aledged homophobia during the 2009 MTV Movie Awards in a staged accident with Sasha Baron Cohen's Bruno character. 89.125.12.138 (talk) 07:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I was just about to say that. Eminem has said many times that he is not homophobic. He even did a performance with Elton John after which they hugged because he was so tired of people falsely claiming that he's homophobic. 138.180.194.3 (talk) 09:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

If such quotations can be tracked down and cited, they would be appropriate. Also, Eminem has received criticism for his lyrics from GLAD, which would be documented in news articles, and could be added. -Verdatum (talk) 14:23, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I have some quotations for you, not from interviews but from his music, such as this one, where he says he likes gay men: "C'mon!-- Relax guy, I like gay men/ Right, Ken? Give me an amen! (AAA-men!)" From the song "Criminal," off the Marshall Mathers LP. Even better are the following lines from the song, "My Dad's Gone Crazy," from the Eminem Show, where he actually claims to be gay: "I'm out the closet, I've been lyin' my ass off/ all this time me and Dre been fuckin' with hats off." I can only assume we are to take these lyrics just as seriously as the so-called homophobic lyrics, or the lyrics in which he says he's killed people that are still clearly alive and walking around. Kronos o (talk) 03:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

His lyrics are a Primary source, and cannot be used to support any conclusions drawn from the lyrics (i.e. describing his lyrics as being "homophobic"). You certainly cannot use lyrics to support any claims about him as a person (i.e. the claim that he himself is homophobic). On an encyclopedia, you can only find other people's conclusions, and report them. -Verdatum (talk) 16:14, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Bruno's punking of Eminem may likely not be "staged". Eminem is claiming the incident was staged, and denying it was real is totally understandable. Given that we don't know for fact that it was "staged", I hardly think you could rightly cite it as an instance of his "playing on his alleged homophobia". There have been no comments from MTV or Baron Cohen which is suspect. Ryan Seacrest who was there witnessed the events and heard from people at MTV that this was real. So until we find out the whole story, you can't say it was "staged".(24.62.100.100 (talk) 23:13, 5 June 2009 (UTC))

It was totally staged; they even rehearsed it prior to the show. csloat (talk) 23:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

You know this how? You were there?? You don't "know" that it was staged! Who saw it rehearsed?? That obscure comedy writer who CLAIMED it was staged?? Then took it off his site! If they were rehearsing something like that nobody would have seen it, if it was to be a suprise! They would have kept it under wraps! Don't be so gullible.(24.62.100.100 (talk) 04:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC))

Hiatus?

Eminem is finally done with his hiatus. Where it says that he released his album since 2004, Relapse you should write that his hiatus ended in 2009 and that he came back. -⊕TehGuy ^talk —Preceding undated comment added 16:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC).

i agree. sounds more interesting stated that way like you said. readers will think "oh he's BACK" -J miester25 (talk) 13:21, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Interesting is nice, but this is an encyclopedia, it's supposed to be informative, and neutral, not interesting. Kronos o (talk) 14:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Just an idea from a hit and run poster

Eminem often sings about his life. As a result, there's more info about his life in the section about his songs then there is the section that's supposed to be about his life. Why not combine the two? I probably won't come back to see what happens with this suggestion, let alone put it into action, but I think its a good idea and hope that someone will take it and run. —Preceding unsigned comment added by *Kat* (talk • contribs) 04:09, 22 June 2009

I believe this is very much on purpose. His song lyrics are not his life. That is to say, he is not required to give an honest account of anything in his lyrics, so they are not a Reliable Source suitable for Biographies of living persons. The only way I could see an exception to this is if we had separate articles on Marshall Mathers and Slim Shady. This is not entirely out of the question, for a good example of this, see Stephen Colbert vs. Stephen Colbert (character). However, I'd want to see a very well written article in like a user space before changing Slim Shady from a redirect. -Verdatum (talk) 14:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Refs problem

At least 4 refs are not working. Could someone fix this? Aditya ^α _ß 12:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done Thanks. -Verdatum (talk) 17:41, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of that. =) Aditya ^α _ß 13:23, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Picture

I don't know if this is has already been adressed but can someone please change the first picture? It is horrible quality and is not even that up-to-date. If someone could update it, that'd be great. 71.126.21.142 (talk) 20:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it has...Constantly. No quality free images can be found. -Verdatum (talk) 21:08, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Nathan Kane

Why is there no mention of Eminem's brother Nathan Kane? i myself only just found out: http://www.hiphoprx.com/2009/07/26/brother-of-rapper-eminem-pleads-guilty-to-be-sentenced-faces-jail/ --Superaktieboy (talk) 00:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Because this is an article about Eminem, not his brother. -Verdatum (talk) 21:08, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Homophobic

Why is there nothing on here about his homophobia? He routinely uses gay slurs in his music. And if not that, why isn't there a controversy section at all? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.34.131.125 (talk) 18:04, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

If you can find reliable sources discussing the issue of eminem and homophobia, you may add it. You might want to check the talk archives as this has been discussed before. And there isn't a controversy section because "controversy" sections should generally be avoided, and instead have the content worked into the appropriate sections, such as "Personal life". -Verdatum (talk) 21:08, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Seriously Guys?

Eminem has had a million conflicts with other celebrities and some "Mariah Carey fan girl" tries to one sidedly highlight this and makes an undeletable part in this article, seriously, somebody please remove this.
Btw, Eminem has just been voted the best rapper alive AGAIN by The Vibe magazine, need to update that also, please can someone with access to this article help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.173.137.200 (talk) 15:06, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

To access the article you merely need to create an account. I removed the Mariah Carey content that was only sourced by song lyrics (on either side). If anyone can find a secondary source that discusses the drama, it may be used as appropriate. -Verdatum (talk) 21:17, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Why aren't song lyrics a good enough reference? Mariah's lyrics don't specifically name Eminem, but Eminem's do name her and Nick Cannon. Have you read/listened to them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Totallygayusa (talk • contribs) 02:23, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

The reason why is because of the strict rules of WP:Biographies of living persons. Disallowing lyrics as a source is especially true for a personality like Eminem, who often writes fantasy lyrics. If we were to allow his lyrics as a source, then we could talk about him repeatedly killing his ex-wife...which is just silly. -Verdatum (talk) 14:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

If we're going to allow lyrics as a source can someone write an article on Puff the Magic Dragon? I understand he lived by the sea... raining girl (talk) 21:19, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I added source for the information. SE KinG. ^{User page.} _Talk. 22:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I see your point, but where does common sense play into this? Of course we all know Puff the Magic Dragon isn't real, but what Eminem said about Mariah IS real. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amn12 (talk • contribs) 01:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Common sense says WP:No Original Research. Making the connection that Eminem wrote a song in which the lyrics convey a certain sentiment to the claim that Marshal Mathers actually feels that way is inappropriate for an encyclopedia. If MTV makes the very same claim, then we can mention it with attribution to MTV, because it makes it their reputation in question, not the encyclopedia's. -Verdatum (talk) 17:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

"Nick Cannon claimed that the song was not a dis directed at Eminem. Eminem released a track in late July called "The Warning" which was a direct dis at Mariah." I don't think dis is formal English, can someone re-word that?69.111.195.2 (talk) 03:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

It could be reworded a bit, but I believe in the proper context, and wikilinked to Diss song, (e.g. "...released a dis song called The Warning which was directed at Mariah") the word could be acceptable within the article. -Verdatum (talk) 17:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Beefs

I remember there used to be a big section about all his feuds and beefs and now there is only one about Mariah. What happened to this? Thanks! Faethon Ghost (talk) 20:45, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I rather liked it too. Unfortunately, I believe most of it was removed because it was unsourced and thus failed WP:BLP. If reliable sources may be uncovered, I'm personally not opposed to seeing it return. -Verdatum (talk) 21:08, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

The sources are the songs themselves. This is ridiculous. Faethon Ghost (talk) 15:18, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Song lyrics are not appropriate sources for facts on Wikipedia. The is especially true for Biographies of Living Persons. Thanks to freedom of speech, Eminem is not required to be truthful in his song lyrics. If we're allowed to use song lyrics for facts, this article would say that he's murdered his wife at least twice now. If you don't like the stringent requirements of Wikipedia, you are welcome to debate policy, or find another website to include the information. Still, perfectly valid sources exist for most of the beefs, one merely needs to search for them. -Verdatum (talk) 15:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Then do it and put it back. Thanks! 207.15.63.4 (talk) 19:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Total Albums Sold

Ok now they has sold 27 million albums worldwide? What the heck is wrong with you guys? —Preceding unsigned comment added by PhysicalSide (talk • contribs) 01:38, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Eminem has sold at least 100 million albums, not 75 million. I suggest many of you pay attention to the interviews, or check the records (including other countries).

Eminem sold nearly 70,000,000 just between The Eminem Show and Marshall Mathers LP alone..

I suggest this be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garybracket (talk • contribs) 12:13, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

"Eminem has sold more than 75,000,000 albums worldwide." - directly taken from [1] note also that this was before the release of his most recent album "Relapse", and with what Billboard says it appears that by now he has clearly surpased 75,000,000. "No surprise: Eminem's "Relapse" brings the rapper back to familiar ground -- the No. 1 slot on the Billboard 200. With 608,000 sold in its first week, it not only nets the biggest sales week of the year for any album, but the best since AC/DC's "Black Ice" began with 784,000 copies last October."[2]. - Changed by Billy O. Morris.

Not only that by now (7/1/09) it being Relapse 4rd week after debut relase it is clear that Relapse has sold probably about an estimate of nearly 1,000,000 alone. - Billy O. Morris.

Still regardless of how many albums that Eminem has sold altogether with the relase of Relapse he has still passed Tupac Amaru Shakur (2Pac) as the highest selling rapper of all time.[3]He, as you can see in the referance, is the highest selling artist in the hip-hop/rap genre. Which I believe is worth a mention in "Eminem's wikipeadia Main Article page", i would recomend placing it in the end of the fist paragraph of his article. - Billy O. Morris.

I'm afraid that noticing that he has sold more albums than any other listed hip-hop artist, and using that to justify the statement that he is the highest selling artist in the hip-hop/rap genre is WP:SYNTH, a type of Original Research. We can't make such a statement without a reliable source that actually makes the explicit statement in question. Still, I think finding such a source is potentially possible, and would then be a fine thing to add to the lead. -Verdatum (talk) 17:16, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, there should be a vaild source somewhere, he has clearly achieved over 75 million worldwide, its not hard to work out from all the sales of each album including compilation & soundtrack albums. He is also the best selling musician on the planet for this decade, of which i have a reliable source for:

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart_watch/34074/chart-watch-extra-the-top-20-album-sellers-of-the-2000s —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.187.238 (talk) 22:21, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

While you debate over the actual numbers, clean it up a bit. There is no need to repeat the 77+ million both in the first and last sentence.I figured since that paragraph was already being discussed, I wouldn't make the change myself.Coradon (talk) 20:34, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

only 27 million.!!

what the chicken its not 77 mil... it's only 27 million, look at the site!!!

--70.50.177.66 (talk) 15:01, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks for pointing it out. SE KinG. ^{User page.} _Talk. 23:01, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

The issue, as pointed out above, is there is another site claiming 77 million...or 75, or whatever it was. As far as reliable sources, I'd tend to trust RIAA a little bit more; the only possible concern is that the table isn't very descriptive, "Certified sales in millions" could mean a number of things. Like certified US sales, or like millions of sales regularly take place that are uncertified.

So I don't know what to do about this. It would feel rather odd to have a line saying "according to RIAA eminem has 27 million records sold, but according to an article posted at his blog (or whatever other source that can be found mimicing the info) he has sold 77 million." -Verdatum (talk) 22:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

if his first two albums sold over 29 million according to wikipedia how is this correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.153.102 (talk) 16:51, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't get why anyone thinks RIAA is credible. Em has sold more than a million more an album than what they say.Jp0291 (talk) 06:19, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Somebody please use a updated picture. that picture is terrible

well i guess the title says the point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.247.96.231 (talk) 03:13, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

We can't use another picture unless it's free policy which is rare to find. SE KinG. ^{User page.} _Talk. 04:29, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry

Guys, don't worry about the picture. I am talking to one of my friends on YouTube, and he might allow me to use a screenshot of a video he took at an Eminem concert he went to. So calm down. The screenshots are better than the one already existing, so it'll be a change for the good. Thanks. Thedeadmanandphenom (talk) 21:12, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

New EMINEM PIC!

Oh boy, I'm so excited. A very good friend on youtube allowed me to use his pictures that he owns and gave me permission to upload to Wikipedia! Finally, a better picture, WAYYY better and updated picture! Thedeadmanandphenom (talk) 23:11, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

Some people are taking pictures that I put up and are "photoshopping" them and saying that those are their own pictures. Not only is the citation wrong on the pictures, its poorly photoshopped, so you aren't fooling anybody. Vandalism on Wikipedia will not be allowed, and we will block anyone who practices it. You have been warned. Thedeadmanandphenom (talk) 01:02, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Mariah

Mariah Carey isn't that big or important of a person that she should have her own subsection on Em's page! Rewrite the conflict parts! --79.112.53.179 (talk) 13:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I can understand the sentiment that it somewhat unbalances the article. But as of this post, the section has been written with proper reliable secondary sources. It could be possible to include this as part of a list of conflicts with other personalities. For this, one would just need to track down the sources discussing them. -Verdatum (talk) 14:19, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

The section on the disagreement with Mariah Carey ("Conflict with Mariah Carey") needs to be copy-edited. It currently contains some grammatical mistakes (e.g., "Cannon put Eminem") and slang (e.g., "dis"). This section should be fact-checked and checked for bias as well. It was apparently written by a fan of Eminem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.203.180.42 (talk) 12:33, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Calm down stan, if you're such a Eminem fan, Mariah wouldn't have such an impact in your life if you're complaining about her being on the page. How about writing letters to Eminem and the only thing you would get back is return to sender. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.172.18.95 (talk) 12:04, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

As a casual visitor to this page, I admit to having no idea what is meant by his 'calling out' a relationship of Mariah Carey's. Can someone re-write this in English? Thanks. Postdarwin (talk) 04:07, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

WHY IS WIKIPEDIA CENSORING THIS DISCUSSION?

Did my post where I have written 'why Eminem's racist tapes where he compared white girls are better than black girls' and also singled out a whole race' should mention it on the front of this wikipedia article was deleted? I mean I didn't even change the article or anything, I want a discussion right here and it gets deleted? This is disgusting! A small part has Mariah Carey and his beef against her yet this is not mentioned? Is it someone working for Interscope records deleting anything negative Eminem here? His career is built on negativity yet if someone discusses about him that's negative (his attack on homosexuals, black women, women in general) it gets deleted? What kind of bias is this wikipedia? If we can't discuss without stans coming here deleting it, I will make a complaint to the wikipedia management. I can imagine when white people say stereotype stuff about non whites NOTHING happens, yet if someone who isn't white says something negative about white people, everyone will go into a frenzy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.172.18.95 (talk) 11:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

bj —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.152.233.111 (talk) 16:24, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

"Wikipedia" isn't an entity capable of any decisions, so Wikipedia is not censoring this or any other discussion. People just edit pages as they see fit. Your post was probably archived, as are all topics which have not been commented upon in over 30 days. For more on the concept of discussion page archiving, see WP:ARCHIVE. If you look at the top of this page, you'll find links to all the archive pages. -Verdatum (talk) 17:43, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I checked the contributions for your IP address, and this comment is the only one. This is exactly why it's a very good idea to make an account. In the archives, I find a post here mentioning the tapes, but that was in 2007. If you can find reliable sources that discuss the issue (and I have no doubt such sources exist, MTV news is a pretty good place to look), then the information can potentially be added. Unfortunately, just using the lyrics to Yellow brick road is insufficient.

Sorry, the stricken parts are inaccurate; I accidentally checked the contributions of an editor who posted a vandalism (which I'm now removing) that was below your comment . Now I see what you were talking about. Your post was removed in this edit. According to the comment, it was because the editor felt it went against the strictly enforced policy, Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. While I wouldn't have bothered removing your post, I can see why it was done. If you don't understand, read the aforementioned policy very carefully, as well as any policies to which it links.

I still feel that the controversy about the tapes is potentially appropriate for the article, but the article can do is report what is detailed in secondary sources. Here, secondary sources are articles that discuss the tapes and the controversy. If you can link to such information, I'd be happy to help properly integrate it into the article. -Verdatum (talk) 18:45, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Triple platinum?

There is a link for this term, but it is not defined on that page. It should be defined here or on the target page. Wakablogger2 (talk) 00:48, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Triple platinum redirects to Music recording sales certification, which states in the lead, "An album that becomes platinum at least twice over is said to be "multi platinum". Artists can also become multi-platinum sellers if they have at least two albums in the same territory both going single platinum — therefore meaning that they do not have an individual album selling these amounts." While not explicitly defining "triple platinum", I personally feel that's close enough. -Verdatum (talk) 14:18, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I cannot find a definition of "platinum" on that page, so the definition you state does not seem of use. Wakablogger2 (talk) 06:22, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

RIAA_certification#List_of_certifications defines the term "platinum." Is that the relevant one? The source citation says, "The Slim Shady LP was certified 3x platinum." Wakablogger2 (talk) 06:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

{Amandeep Sharam } Hey all of you dnt wory about the photo i am going to met Mr.Shedy . I will take his picture —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.2.236.197 (talk) 03:24, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Conflict's section

I agree that the Mariah Carey incident has too much precedence on the page. As Eminem is known for his conflicts I think there should be a brief summary of the people he has clashed with, mentioning Everlast, Canibus, Benzino, ICP and Mariah Carey. 86.24.162.140 (talk) 13:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Eminem - 'Beautiful' from 'Relapse' and 'Sing for the Moment' from 'The Eminem Show'

This should be added to Eminem's list of No.1's on his Wiki page.. It went No.1 in New Zealand and several other countries, I think it went No.2 in canada. Regarding 'Sing for the Moment, it was No.1 on the: U.S. Billboard Bubbling Under R&B/Hip-Hop Singles —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.84.16 (talk) 17:33, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

fix the entry for Beautiful in the singles table; it's skewed.Sakabatou1987 (talk) 21:29, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

• Agreed. Would do it myself, but I'm not sure what the numbers are and they likely are skewed as well.--VMAsNYC (talk) 03:11, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I added Beautiful but someone seems to have deleted the number one singles section . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.237.50.86 (talk) 05:16, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

A hater deleted the Number One single section in the main page

Somebody please restore the Number One Singles section in the main page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.237.50.86 (talk) 05:14, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

No, it belongs in Eminem discography only. This is what sub-articles are for. -Verdatum (talk) 16:12, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Eminem's Apprentice

It's said that Eminem may have an apprentice, his 'apprentice' goes by the stage name of "Chedduh Bunny" but "Chedduh" for short,also known as Lil Slim but however this rumor has not yet been confirmed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.102.147.107 (talk) 21:23, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Then, per Wikipedia:Verifiability, it doesn't belong here. Google searches currently come up with zilch. -Verdatum (talk) 17:51, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Eminem in Drake's 'Forver'

It wen't No.1 in USA in rap songs? See the Forever (Song by Drake) page to see.. should it be added to No.1 single lists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.116.117 (talk) 20:11, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

This article is biased

Eminem wasn't named number 1 on MTV's hottest mcs list of 2009, Jay-Z was. At least fix that obvious error. Anyone reading this article should clearly be able to tell how biased it is. Jay-Z was named Greatest MC of all time by MTV, but that achievement isn't in his introductory paragraph —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.83.64.41 (talk) 01:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

(CORRECTING YOU) Actually Eminem wasn't even listed on MTVs hottest MC list at all due to his inactive period he was out of the music industry but he was actually VOTED BY THE FANS as the hottest MC.. which made MTV look retarded.. (Yes, the retard comment is bias my friend ;)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.116.117 (talk) 22:09, 20 November 2009

 Done. Thanks for catching that. This appears to have been a vandalism from sometime in early October/late September. It was supposed to be #13 in MTV's 22 Greatest Voices in Music. Random vandalism and bias are two very different things. -Verdatum (talk) 16:46, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Refill is 2009

In the discography it sais Relapse: Refill (2010) but it is coming out in 2009--88.78.119.186 (talk) 19:22, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done Added reference as well. Thanks. -Verdatum (talk) 21:14, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

"The Warning"

It says in this article that "The Warning" was released, however, it's not on the Discography page. Was it actually released? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.230.121 (talk) 23:52, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

The MTV article discusses it, indicating it was released. It may not be in the discography section, because perhaps it wasn't an official release. I don't know for certain (I don't have time to research at the moment), but saying it was "released" here is fine . -Verdatum (talk) 07:10, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

"my band"

my band was not released on the devils night album (which is stated under the number 1 singles section)but released on d12 world album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.60.4 (talk) 01:15, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for the catch! -Verdatum (talk) 07:13, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Eminem's lefthandedness

I may be wrong, but I think he is left handed. He is holding the microphone in his left hand. In "Stan" he was writing like a real left handed person and in " When I'm gone" he held the pen right. I know how it should be held, bw cause i'm lefty. but like i said i might be wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.245.137.186 (talk) 18:56, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

We can't use such things, they need to be reported explicitly per WP:V (and WP:BLP). -Verdatum (talk) 14:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, in one interview he said he was left handed. so you dont have to rely on a video. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.158.150.5 (talk) 16:28, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

We'd still need to know just what interview you are referring to so the information can be cited. Random user claiming "I saw it in an interview" isn't good enough. -Verdatum (talk) 15:35, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Feud With ICP

The page mentions his feud with Mariah, but it fails to mention ICP.

In late 1997, Eminem approached Bruce at St. Andrew's Hall. He handed Bruce a flyer advertising the release party for The Slim Shady EP. The flyer said: "Featuring appearances by Esham, Kid Rock, and ICP (maybe)". Bruce then asked Eminem why he was promoting a possible appearance without contacting them first. Eminem explained, "It says 'maybe.' Maybe you will be there; I don't know. That's why I'm asking you right now. You guys comin' to my release party, or what?" Bruce then replied with, "Fuck no, I ain't coming to your party. We might have, if you would've asked us first, before putting us on the fuckin' flyer like this." Eminem took Bruce's response personally and began to attack the group in interviews and songs. Bruce and Utsler responded later in 1999 by releasing a parody of Eminem's "My Name Is" entitled "Slim Anus". Other songs of ICP's include: 'Aint nothin but a bitch thang' and 'just dont give a fuck'. Eminem released songs such as: 'Marshell Mathers' and 'get you mad'. Their feud still lives on, and both artists say it will never end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.158.150.5 (talk) 16:18, 28 November 2009

This general issue has been discussed before; you can find it in the discussion archive. Eminem has lots of publicized beefs which may be appropriate for this article. For them to be added, we need information from a reliable source so that it can be cited. Oh, and please sign comments using four tildes (~~~~). And please add new topics to the bottom of discussion pages. -Verdatum (talk) 16:01, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

"suggestion on artist of the decade"

eminem was recently name artist of the decade by billboard which was determined by performance on top album and top song charts. the eminem show also came in third for top album of the decade but lost to n'sync's no strings attached. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.13.21 (talk) 19:37, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Picture Vandalism

A guy with the name of "Vidisha89" is replacing the original Eminem picture that actually has the permission with copyrighted pictures found on the internet. He has done this numerous times and should be stopped. The old picture that User Thedeadmanandphenom added is the correct one and should be the picture on the Eminem page. Please, someone with administrative authority and better understanding of Wikipedia editing, revert changes to the original decent legal picture of Eminem. Thank you. 68.50.8.134 (talk) 23:21, 15 December 2009 (UTC) (User:Thedeadmanandphenom)

If I understand the situation, the file in question File:Eminem at DJ Hero Party.jpg was edited, not this article. I reverted the edit and warned the user in question. (depending on browser settings you may need to refresh for the proper image to show). I'm a bit confused because there's also a file, File:Eminem performing live at dj hero party.jpg; this hasn't been altered. The article should have one or the other, probably not both. -Verdatum (talk) 00:23, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Project

Why isn't there an "Eminem project?" Most/a lot of bands and people have a project, even a lot of unpopular bands and people. If given permission, I can make one, but it would probably need to be expanded and all that. Just wondering. CrowzRSA ^{23:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)}

I don't know any single rappers with their own project. SE KinG. ^{User page.} _Talk. 00:05, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

But does that mean Eminem can't be the first? CrowzRSA ^{17:18, 24 December 2009 (UTC)}

The purpose of a project on wikipedia is to organize efforts on improving a group of articles. I'm not seeing an need for such an organized effort for articles related to Eminem. It's mostly just this article, the discography, D12, and the articles on albums and singles. Seems pretty straightforward to me. The hiphop project should be enough to handle any sort of meta-issues. -Verdatum (talk) 16:53, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Influences and rapping technique

The section titled "Influences and rapping technique" is written as an advertisement its as if eminem himself wrote it it boast his skills and classify's him as a legend though i agree with what is said i believe this section should be deleted or in the least re-written--99.234.115.165 (talk) 23:50, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

This part - "Eminem’s level of hip-hop knowledge lead to his mastery of rapping" wasn't very neutral, so I've reworded it. The rest of the info matches the sources and is properly cited. Crateescape101 (talk) 01:22, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

ok thanks--99.234.115.165 (talk) 20:07, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Source: Eminem is the best-selling artist of the decade

Neither the sentence this line is in or the sentence following it claim or prove that he's the "best selling artist of the decade" .. don't want to remove it brashly in case I missed something, but is there a source for that line? And also..which decade? Easy to make a guess but he's sold albums across two of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.39.166.159 (talk) 08:00, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Add "citation required" to point out that it's unverified. I'm pretty sure your right, but i'm not going to spend time to prove a negative. I would have removed it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SeanBrockest (talk • contribs) 15:17, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

I also believe the definition "of the decade" is sloppy, because it's time sensitive SeanBrockest (talk) 15:19, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Curious. I seem to remember that statement being cited at some point. Let me investigate this. -Verdatum (talk) 16:57, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I added a reference to support the claim. I agree that "of the decade" is imprecise, but I don't know how to word it, what do we call this decade? To me, at least, both "2000s" and "00s" sound weird. -Verdatum (talk) 16:54, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

There's a slight problem here as Soundscan only tracks US sales. There is no agency that actually tracks worldwide sales. Obviously Em has got most of his 80 million sales from 2000-2009 and I don't know if there's anyone who's sold more but it can't really be verified anyway.Koord (talk) 21:37, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

MAKE A CHANGE TO NO.1 SINGLES

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE ADD 'HOW COME - D12' TO THE NO.1 SINGLES BY EMINEM! IF 'MY BAND - D12' CAN BE LISTED I DON'T SEE WHY OTHER D12 NO.1 CAN'T BE.. PLUS, I DO NOT KNOW OTHER D12 SINGLES.. LOOK THEM UP! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.255.249 (talk) 22:47, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

What? Huh? I don't even understand what your asking us to do. If you think an edit needs to be made, do it yourself. That's kinda the point of wikipedia SeanBrockest (talk) 21:44, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

This article is protected from editing by anonymous editors and new accounts. I haven't made the change yet because I'm too lazy to transfer all the chart positions from the How Come article. That and I haven't dismissed the idea of just removing My Band from the list of Number One singles. As far as the use of all caps and the command to "look them up", neither are good ways to get people to do anything. -Verdatum (talk) 18:16, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Collaboration with Biggie

The article says that Eminem has collaborated with artists such as the Notorious B.I.G., but the two never met each other and Em just later on remixed a track and put his verse alongside Biggie's. Em has put his voice in some 2Pac's songs too but that doesn't mean he's "collaborated" with him and the article is right not to mention him in that section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Koord (talk • contribs) 21:49, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Can't argue with that. Eminem even has a lyric lamenting the fact that he wasn't in the game until after their deaths. -Verdatum (talk) 01:34, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

i heard a freestyle for eminem once on a radio station before he got signed, he was freestyling with biggie —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkaaki (talk • contribs) 17:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Give me 20 minutes and I'll produce a track of me "freestyling with" Franklin Delano Roosevelt. That doesn't mean I collaborated with him. I'm not saying that it's impossible, just that we'd need stronger proof than hearing a recording to support the fact. -Verdatum (talk) 15:22, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Death Rumors

In the past 4 hours or so, google trends has shown a MASSIVE spike in the number of people looking for information on eminem's death. I tracked it down to a couple websites posting the 'information' that he died in a car crash on christmas day. Other websites are saying that it's fake. Keep on the lookout till we know for sure. SeanBrockest (talk) 05:24, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Currently "eminem died" is the 10th most searched term in the USA. By comparison, just hours before boxing day starts, "day after christmas sales 2009 walmart" is only #17 SeanBrockest (talk) 05:26, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

I doubt this issue is significant enough to be mentioned in the article. It sorta seems like "slow news day" sort of info. -Verdatum (talk) 16:55, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

agreed, i just mentioned it incase people showed up here claiming that he was dead, as it is a common form of vandalism SeanBrockest (talk) 19:04, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

These rumors are ancient, really this "xmas crash" has been circulating around for years for all I remember. Koord (talk) 21:38, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I get Breaking News emails from ABC News, so if he was involved in a car crash, it would have already been in my inbox. I bring this up because someone on my Facebook put this up as a status of theirs and it showed up on my main page feed LReyome254 (talk) 19:27, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry everyone but today Eminem has died for real because Snoop dog sated the following today "first it was pac, the biggie and now Eminem" I think this time it is real because the search for his death is spiking dramatically in internet. If it is true it will be comfirmed in the morning tomorrow saturday. {talk} —Preceding undated comment added 22:46, 8 January 2010 (UTC).

From what I can tell, most of this "news"(including the supposed quote from Snoop Dogg) comes from an obviously fake yahoo news article posted "12 hours 14 minutes ago" despite the fact that the date in the corner of the page reads "Thursday, July 10, 2003". It is apparent that this hoax has been going around for quite some time, so the odds of it actually being true seem incredibly slim...Ferinn (talk) 15:11, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Feud with Mariah Carey

The section of the article mentioning the "feud" has been written in such a way as to portray Mariah Carey negatively. The sequence of events is wrong, as Eminem claimed their "misinterpretation" long after the song Obsessed was released. Secondly, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest the voice clips in The Warning are of Mariah Carey, and to make such a suggestion is totally inaccurate. Thirdly, Nick Cannon is mentioned a lot more than Mariah Carey herself, which I find odd. Whoever's locked the article, sort this shit out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.138.233 (talk) 20:09, 21 December 2009

The article cited regarding Eminem's claim of misinterpretation states that he made this comment the Saturday before May 18th. The article discussing the release of Obsessed claims it debuted on June 16th. The sentence discussing the voice clips in The Warning is an accurate rephrasing of the claim made by the work cited. So if you disagree, I'd recommend you either get MTV news to issue a retraction or find a more authoritative source to counter the claims.

Concerning Nick Cannon being mentioned more, I fail to see your point.

All non-new registered editors have the ability to edit this article. Fixes don't need to be done by the administrator who locked it. -Verdatum (talk) 22:36, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

The last sentence of this section contains an innapropriate word choice -- "The conflict was then deceased with Mariah and Nick never responding to the song." "Deceased" means dead, as in the death of a person, not the death of a conflict. I think this word should be changed to diffused. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BFlorin (talk • contribs) 15:40, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Months After Relapse

what is this exactly .. an official mixtape?--Dha (talk) 13:35, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Relapse and Relapse 2 section needs more content

Seriously, where's all the information about him doing interviews about getting fat, entering rehab, and getting addicted to pills. Then where's the reception of his new album. All of these things need to be there. The things on there now can just be added to their main articles. Like who's gonna produce on his albums and guest star on it. Jp0291 (talk) 00:03, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

The drug rehabilitation and problems with prescription medications are mentioned in the section above the relapse section. I personally haven't seen interviews about him getting fat (I only saw hearsay from rumor mills on the issue). If you can point to sources, it might warrant a sentence or two. What aspects of the reception of Relapse would you like added? -Verdatum (talk) 15:20, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, the other sections about his albums tell how they were received. And he's done numerous interviews where he said he got injured while playing basketball and he put on some weight. Then he had pneumonia back in December of 2008. And he was of course addicted to pills. I dunno, I just think it adds a lot to the article. I see some of it is already added to the personal life section so if anyone wants to put it there they can. Jp0291 (talk) 17:53, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Birthplace

Sorry But, Eminem is born to Kansas City.. Not to st'Joseph —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.3.194 (talk) 00:26, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

The explanation at Talk:Eminem/Archive 5#Eminem Never Lived In Kansas City provides evidence to the contrary. Do you have evidence to refute this? -Verdatum (talk) 15:58, 1 February 2010 (UTC)