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Gülen movement

This is an interesting article I found on Bloomberg today that discusses Enes Kanter's association with the Gülen movement.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-31/why-turkey-s-paying-attention-to-u-s-attorney-s-oklahoma-thunder-tweet-preet-bharara

"Enes Kanter is well-known inside Turkey as an alumnus of the schools funded by followers of the exiled cleric, Fethullah Gulen. Kanter's Twitter profile even contains a nod to his religious affiliation — something that may be lost on outside observers but which has become highly politicized in Turkey, where the former Erdogan ally has been rebranded as one of the country's most-wanted terrorists." --Isobel Finkel

Does there need to be a discussion about Enes Kanter's affiliations outside of basketball? FunksBrother (talk) 19:10, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Enes Kanter received death threats after the failed coup, and then very recently, his family disowned him because of his tweets, with Daily Sabah (a paper based in Turkey) branding him as Gülenist. -BStarky (talk) 17:53, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

• And in that published statement of disownage, Kanter's father wrote, that he believes, that Enes Kanter (his son) 'has been hypnotised by the Gülenist movement'.[1]

And then Kanter made an emotional response to the announcement that he was disowned, in which he also appears to have pledged support for Gülen. -BStarky (talk) 18:12, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

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Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 00:57, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

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Stateless?

I am pretty sure he is now stateless. Savvyjack23 (talk) 19:00, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Trailblazers

ESPN says he signed. Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:37, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

No passport

NYT[2]: "Kanter is a citizen of Turkey, but his passport was revoked in 2017. His American travel documents issued by the Department of Homeland Security enable him to enter the United States and the United Kingdom. Once the London game was scheduled, the N.B.A. obtained the documents on Kanter’s behalf."--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 22:39, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

There is a lot of information and a personal account by Enes Kanter himself on a Desus and Mero interview in May 2017. Fnhossain (talk) 20:29, 10 November 2019 (UTC)Fnhossain

Swiss-Turk?

1. Wikipedia: "List of Swiss Turks"
2. FoxNews[3]: "'...what I am supposed to say,' he said. 'I was born in Switzerland and supposedly I am from Turkey. But I am no longer from Turkey. They canceled my passport and don’t want me.'"
3. SwissInfo.ch[4]: "Switzerland does not grant a child citizenship for being born on Swiss soil. A person is automatically Swiss if he or she is the child of married parents, at least one of whom is Swiss"
4. Bleacher Report[5]: "Kanter was[...]like a Swiss-Turkish beanstalk"
5. Medium[6]: "Enes Kanter, a Swiss-Turkish national who would one day navigate geopolitical intrigue"
   --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 15:17, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Religion/politics

1. Religion News Service: "NBA star Enes Kanter on Faith, Basketball and Political Activism"[7] (interview of Kanter by Simran Jeet Singh)--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 17:43, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
2. Foreign Policy magazine[8]: "The Scourge of the Red Notice: How some countries use Interpol to go after dissidents and debtors."
3. Daily News: "Kanter told the News that he learned of Gulen as a kid in Turkey, reading the now 77-year-old scholar’s books and attending a school run by his acolytes. The two men met in 2013, and remain in close contact."[9]

   Turkish officials charged Kanter with providing financial support to a failed 2016 coup allegedly fostered by Muslim cleric Fethullah Gulen, who resides on a 25-acre compound outside a small Pennsylvania town. Both men deny the allegations as baseless. Kanter told the News that he learned of Gulen as a kid in Turkey, reading the now 77-year-old scholar’s books and attending a school run by his acolytes. The two men met in 2013, and remain in close contact. “I visit him every 3-4 weeks if I have time,” said Kanter. “He lives a very simple life … I like being in that environment because people all speak Turkish, eat Turkish food. There is good company and conversations. And Gulen himself is a great addition to all this good stuff, where I feel myself home away from home.” Gulen was once a friend and ally of Erdogan before a falling out led to his self-imposed Keystone State exile since 1999.

   --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 22:05, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
4. Steven A. Cook:

   there have been previous Turks in the NBA, including Mehmet Okur and Hedo Turkoglu, to name just two. But none of those predecessors—unlike Kanter—was ever targeted for arrest by Turkey as a result of his religion. Kanter is, in addition to being a Knick, the highest-profile and most outspoken disciple in the United States of the cleric Fethullah Gulen. ... ... ... the Turkish government has branded the Gulenists as terrorists, likening an organization that calls itself Hizmet, or “Service,” to al Qaeda. And it’s indisputable the group did some odious things during the decade or so when it was allied with the AKP such as fabricating evidence against their opponents, enabling the detention of journalists, illicitly recording Turkish officials, and engaging in questionable financial practices at Gulen-run charter schools. Does any of this make Enes Kanter a terrorist? --->link

   --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 17:51, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
5. Jay Nordlinger:

   Any opponent or critic is a “terrorist.” The government has imprisoned human-rights activists as “terrorists.” Among them is the director of the Turkish branch of Amnesty International, Idil Eser. Enes Kanter, too, has been labeled a “terrorist.” ... ... ... [Kanter is] an outspoken critic of the Erdogan regime. His fame as an athlete has protected him, to a degree. He can talk to journalists openly (as he has to me) and is happy to be quoted. Other Turks abroad, however, are scared to death to be identified. They have reason to be. They know it could be death — murder — to their families back home.

   The family of Mr. Kanter has paid a price. His father, a university professor, lost his job. He has also been put on trial. (What will happen is not yet clear.) Mr. Kanter’s dentist has been imprisoned, and so has the dentist’s wife. The list goes on.

   On Jan. 17, the Knicks played the Washington Wizards in London. Mr. Kanter decided not to go with his team, fearing what might happen.[10]

   --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 21:39, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
6. New York Times: "He said death threats have been 'coming a lot more and more every day' since his latest comments. 'I was scared. I’m not going to lie,' he said. In March [2019], his father, Mehmet Kanter, a professor, could be sentenced to five to 10 years in prison after being accused of being a member of a group the Turkish government considers terrorist."[11]--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 21:50, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
7. New York magazine[12]:

   To many in his home country, however, Kanter is part of a conspiracy to overthrow Turkish democracy. Erdoğan claims that Fethullah Gülen, the founder of an Islamic movement called the Hizmet, ordered a coup attempt in 2016 that sent the country into a tailspin. Gülen’s influence has loomed over Turkish civic life for decades, and Kanter, an avowed disciple, visits him regularly at his Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania, compound. Though Gülen and Kanter have both condemned the coup attempt, it’s their word against the president’s in a country without a free press. In threatening the freedom of Mehmet Kanter, a genetics professor and Kanter’s father, Erdoğan deigns to bully his most broadly influential critic into silence. Under a national state of emergency that lasted two years, Erdoğan jailed and/or fired well over 100,000 people suspected of Gülen affiliation on the charge of membership in a terrorist organization — the same charge levied against Kanter and now his father. Erdoğan also closed hundreds of Gülen-affiliated schools across the country and shut down several Hizmet-sympathetic media outlets. Under his watch, Turkey has become the world’s leading jailer of journalists; meanwhile, its president has used the American media to lobby for Gülen’s extradition. Still, Kanter’s is the rare cause with bipartisan support in Washington; when he visits the Capitol, as he does periodically, he’s as likely to take a meeting with Marco Rubio as he is with Ron Wyden. With rhetorical savvy and millennial sangfroid, the 26-year-old has both held the media’s eye on Erdoğan and managed to shape American public opinion in the process. ... ... ... To Kanter, the Hizmet is about finding common ground, promoting peace and education; it has also, undeniably, put him on the path to the alienation he faces today.

   --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 17:36, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
8. Human Rights Foundation's letter to Interpol on Kanter's behalf[13]--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 23:05, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
9. News story in Today Online[14]: Turkish citizen in U.K. subject a red notice Akin Ipek successfully fights extradiction eventually up to Britain's highest court, arguing he'd be mistreated by authoroties in his homeland.--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 18:00, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 30 November 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Enes Kanter Freedom; a quick cursory view of Google News shows a consistent uptake in the new surname, which is the only bar against moving. Sceptre (talk) 03:51, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

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Enes Kanter → Enes Kanter Freedom – Kanter offically changed his name and wikipedia should reflect that. The change occured today (monday). – Mannysoloway (talk) 03:25, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I doubt this will happen since most media outlets still use "Enes Kanter", and per Wikipedia's common name policy. Kanye West changed his legal name to Ye yet most publications and this website still call him "Kanye West".--118.211.181.97 (talk) 08:50, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose for now Support move to "Enes Freedom" - The person above is right. It is once the name becomes their WP:COMMONNAME that the article should be moved. A good start would be the NBA moving to it in how they refer to him. Rikster2 (talk) 11:49, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Just changed my !vote as it appears his name is being changed quickly across primary sites. Rikster2 (talk) 18:43, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

• Wait for sources. As with any person who changes their name, sources need time to settle. O.N.R. ^(talk) 12:27, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
• No He is known as Enes Kanter. It’s unlikely that Enes Freedom will supercede that any time soon. Trillfendi (talk) 20:15, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Why not? Back in 2008, Chad Ochocinco superseded Chad Johnson overnight and Wikipedia moved quickly. So did Ron Artest to Metta World Peace. This is a legal name change. His player profiles have already been changed. All major news outlets are calling him by his new name. His jersey will reflect this change too. I don't understand the wait. This guy is a professional athlete and American pro athletes all go by their real names (unlike some soccer players in Europe and Brazil). He isn't an artist, so this isn't a Kanye West to Ye situation because he's still known as Kanye West professionally. Plenty of artists have stage names different from their real name. Travis Scott's name is actually Jacques Webster. Lloyd Banks is actually Christopher Charles Lloyd. In that case, WP:COMMONNAME makes sense. With NBA players, their common name is whatever name they use on their player profiles and the back of their jerseys. Remember when Bill Walker started going by his middle name and became Henry Walker (basketball). Wikipedia accommodated him too. We also moved Matt Boyd (baseball) to Matthew Boyd (baseball) because Boyd himself requested MLB to change it on his player profile. IceFrappe (talk) 12:55, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

• Support Isn't there a rule against "dead-naming" people, or does that only apply to transsexuals? 136.32.105.228 (talk) 20:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, the term "dead-naming" only applies to transgender people. Not all people who have changed their name... such as the millions of women who get married annually. Trillfendi (talk) 23:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

• SupportThe most important source, Enes Kanter Freedom, has spoken. Additionally, CNN, NYPost, USA Today, CBS Sports, Fox News, BBC, numerous other overseas outlets, and numerous local outlets all have reported on the matter. From how I read it, WP:accuracy supports this; the situation is NOT like the question of Amelia Earhart's final landing site, a notion which is in dispute. The gentleman's last name is Freedom, it is reported as so, and accuracy should so be served.Hu Nhu (talk) 20:36, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support It's just adding another word to the title, he still retains Kanter in the name albeit as a middle name. His Twitter handle uses the full name and a few major media are already adjusting accordingly: [BBC] and [euronews]. It's not like the Kanye West situation at all. --Killuminator (talk) 21:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

It is my understanding that Enes Kanter Freedom took this opportunity to change his name in order to send a message about freedom itself. If his goal is bigger than his name, it would be appropriate to assist his movement considering that it is now his legal name. Kanter would still be part of the title, and many media outlets are already adjusting. It would be wrong to not respect his name change within the head title when there is a bigger message. H-Piece 23:30, 30 November 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahurrell61418 (talk • contribs)

Also, I must add that it is literally his name, and ignoring the change would be disrespectful itself even without the message. A person’s legal name should be respected. H-Piece 23:32, 30 November 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahurrell61418 (talk • contribs)

• Strong Support Enes Kanter Freedom has already changed his handle on twitter to @EnesFreedom. From his statements to media, it seems that he is very proud of his new name and intends for it to be the common name. The Celtics have also started referring to him as Enes Freedom including on the official Team Roster for the Boston Celtics here [NBA]. He also uploaded the video to twitter of him reciting his oath of citizenship as Enes Kanter Freedom in front of a judge. Evercool1 (talk) 23:35, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose - As Rikster2 said, the article should be moved once the person's name becomes their WP:COMMONNAME.--AirWolf ^talk 00:24, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
• Opppose. Google Ngrams has never heard of "Enes Kantner Freedom". I do not care about messages about freedom itself. Entities are often poor sources for their own names. I care about not annoying or disrespecting him per WP:BLP, but only a little; I mean what does he expect? If he changed his name to "Enek Kanter the Great" are we supposed to go along with that. Herostratus (talk) 03:26, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Actually yes, just like we changed Ron Artest to Metta World Peace and now Metta Sandiford-Artest. We also changed Chad Johnson to Chad Ochocinco and then back to Chad Johnson. Plenty of precedents for this. IceFrappe (talk) 12:44, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Ngram Viewer does not include any data after 2019. This name change occurred on November 29, 2021. Something tells me you knew this and chose to ignore it. --Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 22:58, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose: This is a textbook, unambiguous example of WP:COMMONAME and WP:NAMECHANGES. When reliable sources start using his new name, then change the article title. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia should be behind the ball, not leading it. Bmf 051 (talk) 07:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - His team the Celtics have changed the name on their site since I commented, as has ESPN.com - this could move pretty fast so folks should pay attention. I may change my vote if things continue at this pace and would caution admins from closing prematurely. Rikster2 (talk) 10:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
• Strong Support - Per precedents Metta Sandiford-Artest, Metta World Peace, Chad Ochocinco, Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, Steve Smith Sr., Chelsea Manning, Caitlyn Jenner, Elliot Page and many othersIceFrappe (talk) 12:42, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
  • I don't totally disagree with you but Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf would have changed his name years before Wikipedia existed so that really isn't a usable precedent. The article was created as "Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf." Rikster2 (talk) 14:37, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
  • The last three you mentioned were moved because of WP:DEADNAME, which isn't relevant here. Bmf 051 (talk) 21:04, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
• Support. It is clear multiple WP:RS has used Enes Freedom. We have Yahoo Sports, BBC, Charlotte Observer, Boston.com, Fox Sports, ESPN, and The Athletic. His player entry in NBA website and NBA Celtics roster have clearly shown the change. SunDawntalk 16:14, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - Judging by what I am seeing on line if the article is moved it should be moved to "Enes Freedom," not "Enes Kanter Freedom." It doesn't look like all three names are going to be his new COMMONNAME. Rikster2 (talk) 18:42, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I’m not trying to beat a dead horse but we all know his common name is Enes Kanter. Trillfendi (talk) 18:57, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

• Move to Enes Freedom, as that is consistent with his official NBA profile. The common name guideline is just red tape in this instance. Sports media tend to be quick to adopt these changes, and I can’t think of any NBA player in recent memory whose name change was not reflected in a Wikipedia article title. Zagalejo (talk) 00:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

• Just wanted to add that tonight's box score displays his name as Enes Freedom. When athletes change their names, their new names tend to get constant reinforcement because the name will show up in so many places (including the back of the jersey, as IceFrappe points out). Waiting for some arbitrary Google count or whatever seems like delaying the inevitable. Zagalejo (talk) 04:56, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

• Wait until more sources cover him after the name change, then we can decide whether to move per WP:NAMECHANGES. feminist (talk) 03:57, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

This discussion of whether Enes really changed his name is why I will NEVER donate to Wikipedia again. When they did change his name, it was only in one spot on his page and not everywhere it appears. Never trust what you read on this website. These people are activists and should not have been permitted to use a word that implies they are an online encyclopedia. Like a journalist, find two more LEGITIMATE sources to back up the facts you seek. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:3024:C00:1D00:8C57:939F:3663:745D (talk) 00:42, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

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References

What is this person's surname?

I'm seeing that there are changes in the article that, following his name being changed and him gaining American citizenship, assume that EKF's surname is "Freedom". But, I'm curious: is his surname "Kanter Freedom" or is it simply "Freedom"? The Hill (via Yahoo! News) refers to him as if his surname were "Kanter Freedom", Fox News, The New Yorker, and USA Today refer to him as if his surname were "Freedom", while The Guardian refers to him by surname as both "Kanter" and by "Freedom" at different points in the same article. I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out which one is correct. — Mhawk10 (talk) 03:20, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

ESPN, basketball-reference.com, and The NBA all refer to him as Enes Freedom, as does a check-marked Twitter account. Wikipedia doesn't like primary sources, which the latter definitely is, but it does give an indication of what he would like to be called. I would think sports-specific and basketball-specific sources would be more likely to get the name right than general media sources. Jwolfe (talk) 06:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Removed that he was a free agent

He's still listed on the Houston Rockets roster here so it seems wrong for him to be listed as a free agent. Mannysoloway (talk) 13:27, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Change article title from Enes Kanter Freedom to Enes freedom

The article title should be Enes Freedom not Enes Kanter Freedom nba.com only has him as Enes Freedom it’s really unusual for the corresponding Wikipedia article to not follow nba.com this is similar case to Nic Claxton or Shai Gilgeous-Alexander Black roses124 (talk) 17:07, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

tweet criticizing Lebron after he took NBA all time scoring record

Should we add the tweet? I feel like it is still somewhat important to at least include with him criticizing Lebron SocialistFootballer (talk) 16:13, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Fixing some things

I fixed some things here and when I have more time and energy will changes some more. MaskedSinger (talk) 06:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Height

I see that he is 6"11 and it was changed to 6"10 6"11 references : https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/08/27/thunder-center-enes-kanter-sure-looks-tiny-compared-to-the-worlds-tallest-man/ https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Enes-Kanter-5168/

But there are also references to him being 6"10 What to do here? MaskedSinger (talk) 09:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)