Talk:Filmsaaz

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This page is about an international short film festival organised by an internationally reputed university. The festival has already in eighth year and has seen many famous celebrities as guest. The nominator who nominated has undermined this facts. Moreover, his perceptions is having biased opinion against this festival.Arifjwadder (talk) 18:06, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Please assume good faith. The sources will be determined by others to see if they meet WP:RS. If they do and we have the topic meeting WP:GNG, then it will not be deleted. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 17:55, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Merge proposal: 6th Filmsaaz here

I think the 6th one is not necessarily appropriate for its own article, but would be useful as a merge here, as it seems to have been the 1st year it became fully international. Boleyn (talk) 12:15, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

According to me it would be appropriate for its own article as it is an international film festival which has grown over the years and 6th one was made international which by itself a milestone for the festival. Moreover, the festival is attracting more and more film makers with the passage of time after 6th edition. 6th edition has created a landmark for the festival with its international avatar. Mr Nawazuddin Siddiqui, ace Bollywood actor was the chief guest at the valedictory function and his upcoming film Aatma (film) was also screened. Therefore, merging would only limit the information to the readers and it would not suffice any purpose. EyThink (talk) 07:13, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

It has completed its eighth year in a row and third year in international. The 6th one is a remarkable edition as it got completely overhauled and became international disbanding the national categories. Celebrity like Nawazuddin Siddqui's visit at the valedictory function makes it more important. Very soon it will hold its 9th edition and it will go on and on and if it is merged then the purpose of wikipedia in dissemination of information will not be fulfilled. It is a yearly festival which has a standalone identity. Therefore, it must not be merged at all.AJ_Think 19:25, 11 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arifjwadder (talk • contribs)

• The event was graced by Mr Nawazuddin Siddiqui as a guest. Also, it has completed 8 edition and hence every edition can stand alone. There is no need of merger.Wottaboy (talk) 19:06, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
• support merge there is insufficient appropriately sourced content to sustain two articles, whether or not one was "graced" with an appearance or not. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:13, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
• Don't support merge there is sufficient sourced content for stand-alone of the article. It is an international festival where participants comes from across the globe. It is also graced by star celebrities. All the references provided are most reliable which can be seen by the website ranking of the references. National dailies of India carried the news item which proves its notability.AJ_Think 20:51, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I am not sure who started the rumor that "being graced" by celebrities conferred notability. It doesn't. Also as having discussed on your talk page and mine, there is not actually significant coverage in reliably published third party sources that discuss the 6th in depth- the reliable sources are only trivial mentions or partnered promotions - so that aspect of your !vote also counts for nothing.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:55, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
• Don't support merge, there are various sourced content for this article as given in the references. It might not always possible to have every in depth detail in a single source, but it is the job of the editor to search and amalgam each and every information from various sources into a single article in the wikipedia and I think that is our work. Leading national dailies have carried the news report perfectly which are not partnered promotions. The 9th edition will be held in the month of March, 2016 and so far completed 8th edition with 3 editions as international, which by itself proves its notability. It depends on the perception of the editor whether the source is reliable or not, and there we editors get confused. Moreover, the 6th edition has significance as it was made international for the first time ans since then it is being held as international short film festival. This edition is a milestone for the festival and with the growth of time this edition will be always cited as a remarkable one. EyThink (talk) 11:49, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

It is the responsibility of editors who claim that an article should exists as a stand alone article to demonstrate that the basic criteria for a stand alone article have been met. Which reliably published sources discuss 6th Filmsaaz in depth? None of the sources currently in that article meet that standard: either they are not reliable or they only mention the subject in passing. Please familiarize yourself with the actual policies and criteria for notability before making pronouncements that have no connection to what the actual policies state. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:53, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Glamsham[1], Planet Bollywood[2], All Lights Film Magazine[3], Times of India[4], Indian Express[5], Tehelka[6] and The Hindu[7] are all suitable and independent of the festival. It is acceptable as a source for facts under WP:V. Topic notability is established. Unless you are able to prove that the authors has some affiliation with the festival. All the news item is authored article dealing with the topic directly and in some detail. We judge a topic by its coverage. Not by a personal opinion or dislike of an institution. Most India media appears to be "tabloid" in style, for briefness, but otherwise fine for reliability. WP:N does not demand that a topic being sourced has to be the sole topic discussed in a source. It also appears you may be using personal opinion to misjudge all the many other available sources. Being short in format does not automatically mean unreliable or ignorable. This festival is organised once in a year with much fanfare and during the time of festival it is covered by all electronic and print media. One point should be kept in mind that all print media in India doesn't put the news in web edition. Also, this edition was held three years back and at that time the internet penetration was less then the present time, so we cant expect all the news of that time available in the internet edition of theirs. We must try to acknowledge the reality. You wont find information of the first edition in the internet as that was held in the year 2008, but with the passage of time internet presence has grown day by day and we could find lot of source for the 8th edition. As, already discussed that 6th Filmsaaz edition is a landmark for the festival because it has came with a new avatar with its international form and still continuing therefore every edition fulfills the basic criteria for a stand alone article. It takes several years for a festival to make its name in the global audience and this festival has done its bit in the world of cinema within a short span of 8 years. Many festivals are started and shut down very soon but Filmsaaz is being held every year. Wikipedia will benefit from article and not in its merger. EyThink (talk) 12:40, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

it is clearly evident that you still have not read or not understood the golden rule. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:33, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Comment I have serious concerns that this discussion has been hi-jacked by users (the same user under different names?) with a conflict of interest. A lot of WP:SPA interest in this. I'll therefore open it as an AfD, but if I suspect continued sockpuppetry, I'll open an investigation. Boleyn (talk) 21:23, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Comment the user User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom has previous dislike for the organisation Aligarh Muslim University and its affiliates as can be seen at Talk:Aligarh_Muslim_University BoleynAJ_Think 17:44, 17 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arifjwadder (talk • contribs)

• what that shows is that I have a dislike for SPAs attempting to turn Wikipedia into a Webhost promoting their schools, you know, that I support policy. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:27, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

• • You always divert from the real question in issue! No one was promoting any thing in Wikipedia and making it a webhost. Everyone at Wikipedia supports its policy and we try to improve article instead of deleting it. The talk page of Aligarh Muslim University says otherwise. You previously had the same notion which you having now against the school. I, don't know from which country you belong and I never intend to know, but you must know that Aligarh Muslim University is a institution of national importance as mandated by the Constitution of India. Please see the Constitution by searching in google. You never tried to improve the article of the University rather you interrupted others. If any SPAs (according to you) tries to promote their school, then there is nothing wrong until reliable secondary and tertiary sources are referred according to the Wikipedia guidelines. But, you will not see those merits, you will only see whether anything has been edited which is related to Aligarh Muslim University. All this things I am not telling on my own, it is on the observation on the talk page of Aligarh Muslim University. You still arguing on the basis of SPAs instead on the article. It is a request please try to improve article which will contribute Wikipedia. Please see Talk:Aligarh_Muslim_University. AJ_Think 18:58, 17 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arifjwadder (talk • contribs)

• • You always argued and debated unnecessarily in the talk page of Talk:Aligarh_Muslim_University. You never improved the article, but tried to suppress others. You please see some lines where other editors asked you to be in your limit. You also prevented others. Hence I ask you to be in our limit regarding this University. Always remember, you are not the only one to support policy. We also support equally, but we add articles and improve it with sources which are reliable. First of all you raised the issue of notability and when it was solved you raised some other issue which is your habit as seen in Talk:Aligarh_Muslim_University. AJ_Think 19:04, 17 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arifjwadder (talk • contribs)

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