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Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2016

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Spelling Killerlemon (talk) 15:31, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. JTP (talk • contribs) 15:34, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2016

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Will edit quotes about Kanye West on his early artistry, citing from the book Rockin in Time, David Szatmary. Irmiksenel (talk) 20:48, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

West combines the beats and samples of rap with a wholesome demeanor and a social conscience to craft hip-hop/pop for young adults. Damon Dash, then CEO of Roc-A-Fella Records, says, "He combines the superficialness that the urban demographic needs with conscious rhymes for the kids with backpacks."

  Not done-Not a notable source.Such forms of appreciation are almost always fairly exaggerated.Aru@baska❯❯❯ Vanguard 09:43, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2016

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The 2016-present section currently reads "In June, West released a controversial video for "Famous," which depicted wax figures of several celebrities (including West, Kardashian, Taylor Swift, presidential candidate and businessman Donald Trump, comedian Bill Cosby, and former president George W. Bush) sleeping nude in a shared bed"

This should be updated to reflect that Trump is now the President-elect: ""In June, West released a controversial video for "Famous," which depicted wax figures of several celebrities (including West, Kardashian, Taylor Swift, President-elect Donald Trump, comedian Bill Cosby, and former president George W. Bush) sleeping nude in a shared bed" MattCloudy (talk) 13:25, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

  Not done - he was not President-elect in June when the video was released - Arjayay (talk) 14:45, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2016

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Kim's snapshat story proved that Taylor Swift has validated the first line me and taylor swift might still have sex but it does not showcase her validating or acknowledging the second line. That is because Kanye has showcased the first line in a humoristic way, and as a joke, she stated that many fans would believe it is because he made her famous, but she was not informed that he would seriously put that in his song, which he did. She did not get the final product of the song, and when she did, she simply did not like it because of the undertones of it. She may have alluded to a twitter conversation where she refused posting the song of her twitter, but none of her statements contradict with what was said in their phone call. The fact that this page is sensationalizing a fabricated story among others is simply disheartening. 108.63.183.55 (talk) 03:10, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2017

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I think that this article does not quite cover the popular and sneaker culture impact of the Yeezy 350 Boost and the "hype" generated with each release. One simple change that could be included is a mention that the Yeezy 350 Boost was awarded the Footwear News 2015 Shoe of the Year [1]. This could be included directly after "He followed with Season 2 later that year at New York Fashion Week." to keep with chronological order. -- Cameronjbird (talk) 07:15, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://footwearnews.com/2015/fashion/designers/kanye-west-yeezy-boost-shoe-of-the-year-award-2015-footwear-news-achievement-awards-164129/

Semi-protected edit request on 2 February 2017

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This should be added to end of fashion section, relevant due to information of the impending showing of Yeezy Season 5 and the CFDA time scheduling conflict:

"On January 31st, 2017, West announced his fashion show for Yeezy Season 5 would be showing at Pier 59 on February 15th. The time slot conflicted directly with New York Fashion Week's prime time schedule set by the CFDA which had slotted Marchesa for the same slot in between Anna Sui and Thom Browne.[1][2]"

VesuviusMount (talk) 08:16, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

  Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  06:04, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Iredale, Jessica (February 1, 2017). "EXCLUSIVE: CFDA Not Cool With Kanye". wwd.com. Women's Wear Daily. Retrieved February 2, 2017.
  2. ^ Hardie Lupica, Lilith (February 2, 2017). "Kanye West just made fashion really mad". vogue.com.au. Vogue Australia. Retrieved February 2, 2017.

"Ultralight Beam"

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Page watchers are invited to assist with the expansion of the newly-created "Ultralight Beam" article. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:50, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 6 May 2017

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The name Kanye West is sometimes stylized as "kanYe West" as seen on the Graduation cover for example. This information should be added to the first paragraph. XBub (talk) 11:30, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

This does seem to be a thing ([1], [2], [3]).   Done. Thanks, Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 13:59, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
I removed it (followup note here). I don't see that this is WP:Lead material. The name is not a significant WP:Alternative name/spelling. It is not usually used by sources when speaking of West. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 08:48, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Fair enough. I did feel a little weird putting it in the first sentence, but couldn't see anywhere else to put it. We've got a redirect from KanYe West so anyone who searches for that will end up here anyway. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 13:36, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2017

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I think picture of Kanye West in this article should be changed to something newer as current one is from 2009 (8 years old).

File:Http://www.billboard.com/files/styles/900 wide/public/media/kanye-west-thumbs-up-mtv-vmas-red-carpet-2016-billboard-1240.jpg
2016 VMA Kanye West

This image from 2016 Video Music Awards event seems fitting.

2karli (talk) 19:37, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

  Not done Those are copyrighted images & do not adhere to Commons:Licensing or the Wikipedia:Image use policy. You are welcome to peruse the Commons category for Kanye West, but I suspect that you will not find a better close-up of him there. Peaceray (talk) 22:41, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

What about this one ? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Kanye_West_Shankbone_2009_Vanity_Fair.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Craiko (talk • contribs) 18:36, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2017

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Justin Vernon should be an associated act. Kanye West and Bon Iver/Justin Vernon have collaborated on a number of projects. Considerably more than some of the other artists listed in associated acts.

True, according to Justin_Vernon#Other_collaborations, they've worked together 9 times over 3 albums. I'll add Justin Vernon accordingly. Cjhard (talk) 02:28, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Recent deletions

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Hillbillyholiday made these recent deletions. I felt that he (or she) should discuss them first, but Hillbillyholiday went ahead and reverted again anyway. I'm noting this here in case anyone contests the deletions. I've noted for sometime that this article has had excessive material added to it, and I've objected to some of the detail Gentlecollapse6 has put into the article. So I'm not too opposed to the recent cuts. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:17, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, me neither. That's some nice trimming. Cjhard (talk) 04:22, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
You're "not too opposed to the recent cuts" but you reverted anyway? Ho hum.
While we're here, what else needs attention? What about the sourcing for the Mental health section? --Hillbillyholiday (talk) 14:13, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
That section doesn't require WP:MEDRS-compliant sources. And from what I see, the sourcing for that section is good.
As for this revert of Gentlecollapse6's revert, two editors agreeing with your cuts doesn't mean that you should automatically revert again. But it does mean that Gentlecollapse6 should justify here on the talk page what he feels should remain before reverting again. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 15:08, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
Is it ok to have a section entitled "Mental health" which uses sources such as msn.com, usmagazine.com, and consequenceofsound.net to provide facts about Kanye's "depression", "paranoia", hospitalization, and diagnoses? --Hillbillyholiday (talk) 16:08, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
As somewhat indicated by this small edit I made back in 2016, I was concerned about that section. I also almost removed it. But I haven't been concerned about it in sometime; we can ask about it at the WP:BLP noticeboard. I would remove the consequenceofsound.net source, but the other sources are fine. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 16:36, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
I missed your earlier statement of "You're 'not too opposed to the recent cuts' but you reverted anyway?" I reverted per reasons stated on your talk page. Drastic cuts like this should often be discussed first, precisely because they are big and some content should perhaps be retained and because some editors might disagree with the cuts. Being WP:Bold is one thing. But when you are reverted on such big cuts, you should then discuss the matter on the talk page instead of automatically reverting. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 16:43, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Sundayclose, which of Hillbillyholiday's changes do you oppose? Even if Hillbillyholiday doesn't want to get consensus their edits, I think the edits are an overall improvement to the article, so I'd like to come to some sort of consensus regarding them. Cjhard (talk) 02:06, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2017

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Change "Kanye Omari West (/ˈkɑːnjeɪ/;[1] born June 8, 1977) is an American rapper, singer, songwriter, record producer, fashion designer, and entrepreneur." to Kanye Omari West (/ˈkɑːnjeɪ/;[1] born June 8, 1977) is an American artist, rapper, singer, songwriter, record producer, fashion designer, and entrepreneur." Jceremonyofroses (talk) 04:14, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

  Not done: Thank you, but this change is needless. By mentioning these professions, they already explained he is an artist –Ammarpad (talk) 13:26, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2018

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Remove the final line in the politics section, which in its currents state is spreading falsehood, in order to continue a false narrative. PeteDelkus1234 (talk) 03:49, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

@PeteDelkus1234: If I'm reading the same line as you are, everything there has a citation for it. What exactly do you believe is false? Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 03:58, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2018

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In the Acting and Filmmaking section, change misspelled word "Pheonix" to "Phoenix". 104.152.255.55 (talk) 09:42, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

  Done Gulumeemee (talk) 09:59, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2018

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He's a Philosopher now. So, I recommend you add that in his Bio. 2001:48F8:2A:159B:C21:2DB7:9FA4:9B75 (talk) 07:41, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. AntiCedros (talk) 09:21, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2018

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"Title: Doctor" ??? With a 404ed Huffpost url as the reference source. 71.204.11.187 (talk) 04:34, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

  Not done: It is unclear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes, preferably in the form of "change XXX to YYY", "add NNN after MMM", or "remove ZZZ", and provide your reason and reliable sources if appropriate. LifeofTau 05:26, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
I would argue that the comment is with regard to the infobox asserting that Kanye West holds the title of "Doctor" - the reference redirects to inappropriate sourcing in that it is (a) Huffington Post and (b) a non-existent page with a 404 error. In short, one should remove the Infobox entry that refers to West as having the title "Doctor".155.93.171.134 (talk) 21:52, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
  Done as this is a good-faith challenge to uncited BLP material. I would not object to re-adding if accompanied by a reliable source (i.e., one that isn't a dead link). —KuyaBriBriTalk 22:02, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

"Uncle Tom" Description on App

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It's been a while since I've amended anything and it was before the app. On the app in the short description "Uncle Tom" is showing before songwriter, I came on to remove this however the short description is correct with it missing. Could I request someone with the ability and knowledge to remove this from the app, does so as soon as possible. Projectmayhem666 (talk) 05:01, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

I've edited the Wikidata text. I'm not sure why the app was getting the short description from there when there is one in the article.Cavrdg (talk) 07:52, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

this is a good article?

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the whole thing reads like his press release 2602:306:CE96:AD70:F0C7:FDEC:8067:DF18 (talk) 17:54, 5 June 2018 (UTC)BeaMyra

If you have any suggestions for changes you can use the Template:Edit semi-protected. Alduin2000 (talk) 01:09, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

"Support for Trump" tweets

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The section about his support for Trump under personal life (one line) is poorly written, unsubstantiated and contains speculation about his career. It is not Wikipedia standard and should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.116.237 (talk) 10:24, April 27, 2018‎ (UTC)

  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. LivinRealGüd (talk) 02:57, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
Striking because it is clear what the edits are ...... –Davey2010Talk 03:05, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
Off-topic
Oh is that right, Davey2010? Go build an encyclopedia instead of whatever you're doing right now. Thankfully editors can read, and see that it is indeed not clear what the OP wished to have changed. LivinRealGüd (talk) 03:11, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
Had you looked closer you would see the content is at Kanye_West#Politics (not personal life) and you would see the following text "West reassured his support for Donald Trump in April 2018 in a text to Ebro Darden where he said "I love Donald Trump... I love Donald Trump."[265] West also posted a picture wearing a Make America Great Again hat alongside a series of tweets defending President Trump.[266] Trump later retweeted several of West's tweets.[267]", "What I'm doing right now" is stopping you from giving out false and quite frankly useless information to newbies which considering you're a newbie yourself it's not wise for you to be dishing out advice, Your last sentence doesn't warrant a reply. –Davey2010Talk 03:16, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
Huh. So OP stated "in personal life section" and you took that to mean "in politics section" and when OP said "one sentence" you took that to mean "two sentences". Would you like to interpret what the OP deemed "poorly written, unsubstantiated" as well? Stop editing peoples comments, stop reverting to revert, and stop trying to prove a point. LivinRealGüd (talk) 03:23, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
The IP probably wasn't paying close attention to the title, As for the sentence - I cannot read their mind and as such I'm not too sure what sentence they're referring too which is why I added the edit request template and which is why I've not answered this request or have removed the Trump statement, I'm now collapsing this as it's serving no sort of purpose, Happy editing. –Davey2010Talk 03:28, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
It's pretty clear he didn't mean to revert your actual comments, just the template layout changes. There's nothing wrong with striking a response that denies an edit request to reopen it for legitimate responses. Remember the whole point is to improve Wikipedia, even if the requests aren't to the exacted X to Y format, if you can still make sense of it, why close it? — IVORK Discuss 03:31, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
It doesn't matter what he meant to do, it matters what he did. Thats the problem one can not still make sense of it, thats why I closed it. Even after its closed discussion can occur. Davey2010 is editing other people's comments (here & here) and has recently taken to collapsing entire discussions which is a clear violation of WP:TALKO: "these templates should not be used by involved parties to end a discussion over the objections of other editors". Either way, this is not worth the time that has gone into it. I've presented my case, do with it was you will. I'm off to continue to build an encyclopedia. LivinRealGüd (talk) 03:58, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
LivinRealGüd I don't think it's about it being used to to end a discussion but moreso to hide off-topic content unrelated to the edit request per Off-topic posts: If a discussion goes off-topic (per the above subsection § How to use article talk pages), editors may hide it using the templates {{collapse top}} and {{collapse bottom}} or similar templates. (also from WP:TALKO) which I personally agree with. — IVORK Discuss 04:40, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
Agree to disagree. You can call it 'off topic' or 'off topic rambling' all you want. Discussing the topic the OP brought up is not off-topic, for very clear, obvious reasons. LivinRealGüd (talk) 04:44, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
  Not done: Request is moot. The original Trump support comment has been extensively edited since this request was made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 03:08, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

"tasked with a mission"

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Shouldn't an encyclopaedia use English, rather than hollow marketing Newspeak? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.187.164.139 (talk) 18:48, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

No longer holds title for most #1 on Billboard 200

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Under achievements, it states that Kanye has the most albums to debut at #1 on the Billboard 200 (7 total #1 debuts). The title is now held by Eminem, with 8 total consecutive #1 debuts on the Billboard 200. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.114.62.8 (talk) 21:15, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2018

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  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 17:10, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Politics

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Might be worth mentioning his support of Obama's 2008 campaign under the "politics" section. https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1044331/kanye-west-salutes-obama-at-dnc-party SecretName101 (talk) 21:23, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Genre

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Kanye is the biggest pop star on the planet, according to The Guardian, which is a reliable source. Read Kanye_West#Impact and Kanye_West#Achievements... He is a rapper, so you could add "rap", but according to you that is not a genre (the ID3 tag specifications disagree with you IIRC). Not all rap is hiphop, not all hiphop is rap. Edward Mordake (talk) 00:45, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

@Edward Mordake: Hip hop is sourced as a genre extensively in the article. I have said this several times - I agree we should stick to reliable sources which is why we should list hip hop as a genre. When I say rap isn't a genre I'm referring to the Wikipedia article (literally read the first sentence). I don't know why you are being so disruptive but if you're really asking me to prove to you that Kanye West makes hip hop then here.[4][5][6][7] If you still disagree please stop saying we should stick to that single source and tell me why the sourcing throughout the article and the links I've provided aren't enough. If you want a citation in the infobox I have explained why it is unneeded. Alduin2000 (talk) 01:05, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Offtopic: I love Venetian Snares. Ontopic: There is a difference between "these URLs of reliable sources support my claim" and the vague nonspecific claim that somewhere in a long article something is sourced. We are talking about an article with 420 references. Checking them all to find the 4 sources you were referring to would be a waste of my time. I searched the Slate article for the word "hip", but all I found was the title of the article calling West "the would-be king of hip-hop". So, we got some less-reliable (compared to The Guardian) sources who mention the word hiphop. That doesn't change the fact that we are talking about the biggest pop star on the planet. If Madonna started making breakcore she would still be the Queen of Pop, right? Currently the infobox contains the correct genre according to the most reliable source, I don't think we can improve on that. Edward Mordake (talk) 01:17, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
If you can find a source that is more reliable than The Guardian that says that Kanye West is not a pop star then please post it here. Edward Mordake (talk) 01:26, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
I can't believe you're arguing with me that Kanye West is a hip hop artist. There are sources throughout the article, these are just a few I randomly picked. The fact that Kanye West makes hip hop music is uncontroversial to everybody but you and is already sourced. There can be multiple genres in the infobox so it's not a competition on what's the most reliable source is - we just need a reliable source and we do. I'm not going to provide sources for a ridiculous claim I never made or tried to make. Kanye West is a hip hop artist and a pop star. I'm going to add it back now as I have shown you reliable sources that Kanye West is in fact... a hip hop artist (above).(PS. cool, I've only listened to a few albums of Venetian Snares' but they're just on another level and his new album's pretty great) Alduin2000 (talk) 01:35, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
You randomly picked rather bad sources. Why don't you add R&B? And rock? According to Kanye he is the biggest rockstar on the planet... Edward Mordake (talk) 01:36, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Kanye West is most well known as a hip hop artist. Add R&B if you must but please let's not make this of all things turn into an edit war. Alduin2000 (talk) 01:45, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Nonsense, he is the biggest male pop star alive today (which is why The Guardian wrote that). According to him he is a rockstar, but I think R&B is a more appropriate label than rock. Other than his music he is also famous for other things like clothing and Tidal etc.. He doesn't make rock music, he doesn't make hip hop, but he does make R&B and pop. He is most well known for his pop music. His pop songs are super famous and on the radio every day! Edward Mordake (talk) 01:47, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Pop is not synonymous for popular. It is a genre of music. In fact hip hop was more popular on streaming than pop in 2017. As a musical artist, Kanye West is best known as an iconic (ie rockstar/pop star) hip hop artist. The Guardian source is irrelevant he is also sourced as hip hop. Alduin2000 (talk) 01:52, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

You wrote: "In fact hip hop was more popular on streaming than pop in 2017.". That made me curious. Do you have a source? I think we are talking about very different things when we use the word hiphop. The Guardian is not irrelevant because you disagree with it, it is a reliable source stating a fact. Kanye is a famous pop star. Pop stars are called pop stars because they make pop music. Maybe you are confused with a pop icon, which is something entirely different. https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/pop-star Edward Mordake (talk) 01:54, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
I'm not disputing that pop should be listed. I don't disagree with the Guardian - it's irrelevant because we aren't talking about whether Kanye is a pop star. Kanye makes pop but he is most well known for making hip hop. Look at the articles for all of his albums and see the genres listed - I'd bet they all list hip hop first. As for the streaming. [8] Alduin2000 (talk) 02:04, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
You keep repeating the claim that "he is most well known for making hip hop". My response included the word nonsense, and I pointed out why it is nonsense, but you seem to have skipped that part of my comments.
Kanye is the biggest pop star on the planet. Pop stars are called pop stars because they make pop music. According to you the worlds biggest pop star is most famous for another genre of music. Maybe you are confused with R&B, or maybe you never listen to the radio, but I assure you that the top 5 biggest pop stars are all famous for making pop music.
Edward Mordake (talk) 02:07, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

He makes pop music. He makes hip hop music. We agree on both of these premises right. So Kanye could be a pop star, but most of the music he makes is hip hop (all of his albums apart from 808s lists hip hop as a genre - only 2 list a subgenre of pop). Therefore, he is a pop star that is most well known for making hip hop music. Alduin2000 (talk) 02:10, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

You are not making sense. He makes pop music. That pop music became super popular. The Guardian describes him as the worlds biggest pop star. Pop stars make pop music. So he is the biggest in a genre (pop) according to a reliable source. You have repeatedly made unsourced claims here and you haven't provided sources that agree with your claim that it is not his pop music that he is most well-known for. Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary references. According to you the worlds biggest pop star is most famous for another genre of music. I'll revert you unless I see reliable sources. It seems that you think "popstar" and "rockstar" mean iconic. Here is the dictionary definition of a pop star: https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/pop-star Edward Mordake (talk) 02:16, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Look forget the Guardian - I agree with the Guardian. Kanye West makes pop. He also makes hip hop. Most of his albums (see their individual articles) are hip hop not pop. If most of the music he makes is hip hop then he is most well known for making hip hop. Please do not pretend (again) that it is unsourced that he makes hip hop - it is sourced. Alduin2000 (talk) 02:20, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

So you are saying we should use your original research instead of a reliable source (The Guardian). Bad idea. Edward Mordake (talk) 02:21, 15 May 2018 (UTC) p.s. Wikipedia is not a reliable source. You can edit those articles to state that those albums contain Tuvan throat singing.
I said do not pretend it's unsourced. Kanye West being a hip hop artist is not OR because it is sourced in the article and in this talk page. I would advise you to not continually revert people in future, they may report you for edit warring WP:3RR - in this case I will not because this is only a small change. Alduin2000 (talk) 02:29, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Ah, the famous straw man argument. Does that mean you give up? If not, please re-read what I wrote. I think you should stop editing the article now. You still haven't posted any sources that support your claim. You can't find any because the claim is nonsense like I stated earlier. Edward Mordake (talk) 02:30, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
You also misinterpreted the article you linked me. It says "R&B/hip-hop music was the year's biggest genre" so they've combined those into one. Edward Mordake (talk) 02:35, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

How is it a straw man. You said Kanye making hip hop is a genre is OR - it is not, I have provided sources. The other articles are not my sources, they were just used for illustration. Alduin2000 (talk) 02:37, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

I said what? I didn't say that. Hence the straw man. Edward Mordake (talk) 02:39, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Ok, so you agree hip hop is sourced and can be readded? Alduin2000 (talk) 02:40, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Nope, and you still have not provided sources. I am gonna ask for reliable sources again and again. Press Ctrl-F. Search for the first occurrence of the word "nonsense". You keep repeating the claim that "he is most well known for making hip hop". My response included the word nonsense, and I pointed out why it is nonsense, but you seem to have skipped that part of my comments. Edward Mordake (talk) 02:41, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
I have provided sources but this is getting nowhere. I suggest we wait for other editors input so a consensus can be reached, until then I will leave the article as is (unless you finally acknowledge hip hop is sourced as a genre in which case I leave it up to you to add it back, or not). Alduin2000 (talk) 02:50, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
You have provided low quality sources for a completely different claim. The claim we are currently talking about is "he is most well known for making hip hop". You have not provided any sources for that claim. Did you use Ctrl-F to search the first occurence of the word "nonsense"? Did you even read the comment you are replying to which contains the quote you have to provide sources for? Seems unlikely. You are wasting my time because you don't read the comments you reply to. Edward Mordake (talk) 02:58, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

You've used a personal attack in a content dispute 3 times now. I am asking you to stop. Edward Mordake (talk) 02:54, 15 May 2018 (UTC)


Off topic

Yes hip hop and R&B are classified as the same by Billboard - the place that does official charts for the US. Alduin2000 (talk) 02:39, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

You wrote: "In fact hip hop was more popular on streaming than pop in 2017."... Edward Mordake (talk) 02:40, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Yes they are classified as the same. Sorry for any confusion about this but ultimately it's not relevant to our conversation. Alduin2000 (talk) 02:50, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
I disagree. The fact that the article you linked to did not support the claim you made is not irrelevant. Edward Mordake (talk) 05:13, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Call for reliable sources

Latest comment: 6 years ago18 comments5 people in discussion

There is currently a dispute as to whether hip hop music should be included as a genre for this article. Would neutral editors please reply here so a consensus can be formed. Thankyou. Alduin2000 (talk) 03:06, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Note that this is not a vote. It's not even a !vote. It's all about reliable sources! So please post your reliable sources below.
  • Is there a source that is more reliable than The Guardian that says that Kanye is not a pop artist?
  • Is there a reliable source that says that Kanye is more famous for making hiphop than for making pop despite being the biggest pop star alive?
I have asked Alduin2000 to provide sources, since Alduin2000 made the original claim, but I don't think Alduin2000 found any. Maybe others can? Edward Mordake (talk) 03:08, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Note. I did find sources ([9][10][11][12]). This section was originally a call for consensus (the title has been changed) on the genre not the questions Edward Mordake has asked. Alduin2000 (talk) 03:43, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

I repost a comment I made earlier. "You have provided low quality sources for a completely different claim. The claim we are currently talking about is "he is most well known for making hip hop". You have not provided any sources for that claim. Did you use Ctrl-F to search the first occurence of the word "nonsense"? Did you even read the comment you are replying to which contains the quote you have to provide sources for? Seems unlikely. You are wasting my time because you don't read the comments you reply to." Edward Mordake (talk) 04:01, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

To clarify, I called for a consensus on whether hip hop should be included as a genre at all in the infobox, not whether Kanye is most well known for it. I think he is, there is disagreement but currently I am asking for consensus on whether it should be added at all. Alduin2000 (talk) 04:08, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Luckily consensus is irrelevant, we need reliable sources. You made a claim, and you refuse to provide reliable sources for that claim. You think he is more famous for making hiphop than for making pop. That is your opinion, what do reliable sources say? Edward Mordake (talk) 04:10, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Currently I am not making that claim. I believe it, but for now I want consensus to add hip hop as a genre at all - I have provided sources and there are sources in the article itself that Kanye makes hip hop music as a genre. We disagree on their sufficiency so I have called for a consensus. Alduin2000 (talk) 04:14, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
You did make that claim and I said it was nonsense and asked for sources. Then you started insulting me and ranting about offtopic stuff. You refused to provide sources for your claim, and wasted my time. You promised to stop doing this, but here you are again repeating the same stuff over and over. Consensus is irrelevant. You need reliable sources to back up your nonsensical claim that Kanye is more famous for making hiphop than for making pop despite being the biggest pop star alive, but none of the reliable sources agree with you. Edward Mordake (talk) 04:17, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
I did not attack you. I did not rant. I did make that claim, but right now I'm compromising and simply asking for hip hop to be included as a genre at all. I have given sources for this (that hip hop is a genre of music he makes, alongside pop). I think you should take some time to calm down I am simply seeing if others agree hip hop should be included based on the sources provided. Alduin2000 (talk) 04:22, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Stop lying. The opinions of others are irrelevant, you need reliable sources. Your personal opinion, and your original research, is not usable on Wikipedia. If you want people to calm down then maybe you shouldn't be so rude to them. Edward Mordake (talk) 04:24, 15 May 2018 (UTC)


You need to stop reverting, per WP:Edit warring. Three different editors (including me) have reverted you now. West is mainly known as a rap and hip hop artist. Not as a pop artist. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:08, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

So your personal opinion overrules the reliable source? West is a rapper and also the biggest pop star on the planet. He is known for making pop music and for rapping (among many other things like Tidal), but not for making hiphop. Rapping is not exclusively a subset of hiphop, and it never was (despite claims otherwise). Ever heard of (for example) Rap metal? Edward Mordake (talk) 05:14, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Let it go. You have accused me several times of wasting your time but you have wasted everyone else's. You are clearly not knowledgeable on the subject - Kanye began his career solely as a hip hop producer - not a rapper, not a pop musician, a hip hop producer. Since then he has rapped as well as producing hip hop, pop, r&b etc. He is most well known for his hip hop production and albums. Read the article - it says all of this and it is all sourced. Alduin2000 (talk) 05:38, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
That was a very stupid decision you made Alduin2000. You continue with the personal attacks, number 4, and you still clearly don't understand our conversation, the situation and how you should handle this. Now please stop wasting my time. This is the last time I asked you. Don't ping me, don't comment here. Go do something useful instead of wasting my time. Edward Mordake (talk) 05:48, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment Having had a slightly difficult exchange with one of the editors involved in this discussion I had a look at his most recent work and came across this thread. I have been trying to follow this discussion but the different comments have been moved around and altered so many times by User:Edward Mordake it deprives the replies by the other editor of context. As he is a relatively new editor and has asked me not to post on his talk page this seems like a good place to point to this section about editing comments on talk pages WP:REDACT. Dom from Paris (talk) 14:04, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
@Domdeparis: If you continue like this you will get blocked. WP:HOUNDING Edward Mordake (talk) 14:06, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Please read the link that you just posted especially the phrase "Correct use of an editor's history includes (but is not limited to) fixing unambiguous errors or violations of Wikipedia policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles." Dom from Paris (talk) 14:10, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Just to let people know, Edward Mordake was blocked as a sock. Nil Einne (talk) 10:26, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Better lead presentation?

Latest comment: 6 years ago7 comments3 people in discussion

Any editors have any opinions on what is the better lead presentation -- this one that notes his additional praise/impact later on in the lead or this one that notes all of it in the first paragraph? I prefer the first version because I think it briefly notes why he is notable before going into further detail. That lead paragraph gets the point across without going into all his accolades. Gentlecollapse6 changed the lead to the second version, which has the lead paragraph mainly talking West's praise/accolades. I don't think readers need to (or really want to) read all that in the first paragraph. They first want to know who the person is and then why he is notable. Accolades are just an aspect of the person's legacy. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 12:56, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Davey2010, Nil Einne, IVORK and Sock, any thoughts? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 15:26, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
The second has my vote. It's better to give reason rather than just He is one of the most popular rappers in the world, and one of the world's best-selling music artists. without a source. — IVORK Discuss 22:40, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
All the lead paragraph need do is summarize, though. And further detail about why a public figure is notable is often given in the rest of the lead. The Barack Obama article does the same, for example. And per WP:CITELEAD, if the content is sourced lower in the article, the lead need not include sources unless necessary. That stated, I'm not heavily pressed about this, and it seems others aren't either. So I'll go along with the current design for now. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 17:02, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
On aside note: Since the Barack Obama article is not a good comparison, considering that he is the 44th President of the United States, which is more than an adequate line for why he is notable, a better example is something like the Brad Pitt article. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 17:23, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Update: Apparently, Cornerstonepicker disagrees with Gentlecollapse6. Just don't edit war, please. Discuss. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 10:21, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
All music artists have that presentation. Career aspects, work released, then finally, the awards, records solds. and the Time 100 list. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 03:45, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2018

Latest comment: 6 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

Change "rapper, singer" to "recording artist,....." 173.79.51.41 (talk) 14:36, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

  Not done: Being a good article, I'm sure the info in the lead and infobox is correct. So, I am declining this edit request as there are no grounds to make the changes. — LeoFrank  Talk 04:08, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Inmyfeelings6 (talk) 13:26, 21 July 2018 (UTC) There are absolutely grounds to make this change. Please see my detailed edit request that I just posted. Thank you.

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2018

Latest comment: 6 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

In the opening line of the introductory section, "rapper, singer, songwriter, record producer" MUST be changed to "recording artist." Kanye himself has specifically referenced the inherent classism, elitism and potential racism inherent in the language currently being used.

SOURCE TWEETS: https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1018432945839673344 https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1018433346668453889

FULL TEXT: "Music is an art form. When reporters call me “the singer,” the rapper" or even the "pop star" there’s an air of condescension and patronization. Those kinds of journalist are acting like they’re better than us. It’s just another example of elitism and classism. If you read Prince or Michael’s Wikipedia their title is recording artist Moving forward anyone working in music should be referred to as a recording artist"

To disrespect Kanye's work and legacy by not honoring this request and making it standard for other recording artists would be a travesty and a prime example of the way white supremacy has been normalized in our culture today. Inmyfeelings6 (talk) 13:23, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

  Not done. The stated preference of Mr. West is an interesting take on the matter, but Wikipedia follows the mainstream sources and calls him a rapper and singer. The very fact that he's complaining shows that many sources call him a rapper and a singer. "Recording artist" is a fine description but it's used less often in sources. Binksternet (talk) 13:45, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

A seperate article for "Go Getters"?

Latest comment: 6 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

A group that Kanye was in prior to fame, it seems to have quite a bit of info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThePSGenius (talk • contribs) 12:02, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Revert the obliteration of the artist's name

Latest comment: 6 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The recent edit changing all occurrences of "Kanye" to "Ye" seems more motivated to promote records than to communicate information. This article differs from Snoop Dogg, Prince (musician), or any other many-named performer's article in that his legal name is all but hidden from view (it appears only once in the infobox). Please consider rv'ing or at least making the article consistent with the rest of them.198.179.125.170 (talk) 17:58, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

The name "Ye"

Latest comment: 6 years ago14 comments8 people in discussion

Let's get this out of the way now: Woodloch and others, regarding this, we will not be using "Ye" as his name throughout this article. Per WP:Common name, we will not be retitling this article to "Ye." And even if we did, it would need to be disambiguated because of the other Ye meanings. Look at the Snoop Dogg article. Snoop Dogg at one point went by "Snoop Lion." We did not change the name of that Wikipedia article to Snoop Lion (and, yes, there was discussion about it). Look at Sean Combs, who has a number of different popular stage names. "Ye" is not even yet popular for West, and it's not his legal name. Yes, as seen here and here, Sandstein recently added mention of the Ye name. And with WP:Recentism in mind, we will see how the Ye name plays out and if it needs a mention in the lead, but a mention is different than using the name throughout the article or changing the article's title. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:08, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Flyer22 Reborn I don't equally think it's right to have the name changed as it is not a legally binding decision, except for a tweet. However, don't you think it's best if we let others weigh in on this? 6Packs (talk) 08:55, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
6Packs, they are free to weigh in here. But WP:Common name is policy, and we are also supposed to be consistent with using the common name throughout the article. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:16, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
Flyer22 got it it right, I think. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:09, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
  • If not per COMMONNAME then certainly per COMMONSENSE, The article shouldn't be changed to something utterly stupid just because he seemingly cannot be bothered to say and spell his full name. –Davey2010Talk 21:17, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
Discussion of the topic is also seen at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Kanye West Name Change. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:25, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
It's called a stage name and many hip hop artists use them. AdA&D ★ 15:40, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Premature is an understatement. If this sticks and reliable sources by and large call him by this new name, then a name change should be in consideration, but not any time soon. Lapadite (talk) 08:32, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world", "Seek and ye shall find", "Ye olde"... Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:49, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

It currently says "Ye".[13] I didn't know about this before. 173.228.123.166 (talk) 20:00, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

(Joking) I'm told he's doing an xmas tour, and sending out an invitation for his regular attendees to get discount tickets. It begins "O come, all Ye faithful...". I'll see myself out. 173.228.123.166 (talk) 22:06, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

He could perform at Ye Olde Fighting Cocks. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:32, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
So, do we agree on removing "Ye" from the lead? The mention of it in the article is tiny. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:26, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Keep the lede as "Kanye West, also known as Ye..." for the time being. I think there's a clear consensus for keeping the article name unchanged. Anywikiuser (talk) 14:09, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2018

Latest comment: 6 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
79.97.102.190 (talk) 17:17, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 19:27, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Alternate universes

Latest comment: 6 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Looks like he has some issues. This should be mentioned in the article: " "So there's a theory that -- there's infinite amounts of universe and there's alternate universe so it's very important for me to get [Larry] Hoover out, because in an alternate universe, I am him and I have to go and get him free." No words. Also, Hoover is the founder of a Chicago gang, who is currently serving six consecutive life sentences in a supermax prison in Colorado. West had advocated for Hoover's release before -- most notably wearing a "Free Hoover" sweatshirt during a recent "Saturday Night Live" appearance." ref. https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/11/politics/kanye-west-donald-trump/index.html 91.83.10.183 (talk) 00:50, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Maybe all he has are opinions - YOU may have the issues?? RU inciting a left wing lunacy? Lets talk.. ~ Bought the farm (talk) 02:34, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
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