Talk:List of presidents of Bangladesh

Major General Zia is Right

Ziaur Rahman retired as a Lieutenant General, not Major General. He was made a Major General by Mujib, but was later promoted to a Lt Gen during the first martial law when he became army chief. Here, the official site for bangladeshi presidents says hes a Lt General http://www.bangabhaban.gov.bd/ziaur.html.- User:ChaudhryAzan —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChaudhryAzan (talk • contribs) 15:48, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Flag

The flag that was inserted is incorrect. The president's flag does not contain anything written in foreign languages, the text in the flag inserted was not even in Bangla. Here is a link to the correct flag. Thanks. --Ragib 01:26, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sorted :-) Craigy (talk) 01:52, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

First president

Wasnt Nazrul Islam the acting president in absence of Mujibur Rahman during 1971?

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no move. President of Bangladesh has now been created to cover the added information previously found in this article. JPG-GR (talk) 05:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Presidents of Bangladesh → President of Bangladesh — Does not suit article subject or criteria —Moshino31 (talk) 13:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

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Any additional comments:

This move request by User:Moshino31 is strange, because it seems like he himself added a massive amount of tangential information to a list article, and now claiming the content to be unsuitable for a list article!! I'm reverting it to the list version. --Ragib (talk) 16:01, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The reason why I have done this is because, it is suitable to have the information of the President duties etc. with the List of Presidents in the same article, makes more sense. Creating another article isnt' really needed (view other articles of countries). Moshino31 (talk) 16:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Information about presidential duties are not suitable for a list article. Also, please take a look at such articles on other countries, for example: List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States (a Featured List), List of Presidents of the French Republic etc. Except for a summary introduction, these list pages contain *only* the list. --Ragib (talk) 16:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

But what about the neigbouring countries of Bangladesh, they have the same structure. It will be very convinient to have Information and lists together, because Bangladesh does not have a large history as a whole to have such articles same goes for Pakistan and India, therfore it will be suitable for it be like that. Please view, President of Pakistan, Prime Minister of India, President of Egypt, President of China... and so, they all have together lists of Presidents / Heads of States together in the article. It makes more sense for Bangladesh to have this, because of its short history, and the Presidential role is ceremonial. Therfore I am asking it to be as a non-list article. Moshino31 (talk) 18:15, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

In that case, I'd suggest that you start working on President of Bangladesh rather than *this* list article. Compare President of the United States vs List of presidents of the United States. The former is an article covering the presidency, while the latter is a list. --Ragib (talk) 18:23, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

That is not the whole point, the article should have been created as 'President of Bangladesh', like 'Prime Minsister of Bangladesh'. You cannot compare Bangladesh and United States, because the States have a long list of Presidents and its History will obviously be much longer than Bangladesh you must know that for sure. It really doesnt make any sense at all for me to create a seperate article, it will be more efficient and easier if this article has 'both' of informations together. Moshino31 (talk) 18:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry, but this reasoning is invalid. Firstly, I don't see why the articles on lists of US and Bangladeshi presidents cannot be compared ... you mean just because the former has 43 entries and the latter 17, it becomes too short, and "less longer"? I also suggest that you look into Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) for learning what the purpose of such list articles is. One such list article List of universities in Bangladesh was recently elevated to Featured List status. --Ragib (talk) 19:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

May you explain to me then, why is the article Prime Minister of Bangladesh is not a *list* article? By the way this article now is lacking many information, firstly it does not give many information of the Presidents, what Party they are from etc. I have just edited the article to improve it for the viewers, compared to your version it will be more useful and helpful as in *all in 1*, it's more of a hassle from 1 page to another, you got the information at the top, scroll down and you got the Lists, how convinient is that? Really think about it mate. Moshino31 (talk) 19:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

(Resetting indent) I am doing this: moving your edits to President of Bangladesh page. You get to keep your edits, and the list article remains as it is. Please do not keep reverting to your version until the discussion is over. The job of the list article is not to discuss the president's biographies, rather to just provide a list. Thanks. --Ragib (talk) 20:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, I request you to look into other countries' articles on this series too ... most of them have 2 articles - one on the presidency, and the other a list. PLEASE try to understand what a *list article* means before messing up the list of presidents page.

• India - President of India , List of Presidents of India (which, by the way, has fewer presidents than BD, (contrary to your argument about "small number of presidents" above)
• United States - President_of_United States, List of Presidents of United States
• Germany - President of Germany]], List of German presidents since 1919
• France - President_of_France, List of Presidents of the French Republic
• Brazil - President of Brazil, List of Presidents of Brazil

I can go on and on with the above examples, but that would be a waste of my time. Thanks. --Ragib (talk) 21:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I would like to draw your attention to the following issues:

1. A.Q.M. Badruddoza Chowdhury was a president nominated by Bangladesh Nationalist Party though later he resigned and formed LDP. I think it would be more appropriate if we use party name during the period of their presidency.
2. We have to add a reference column and also make it sortable. Recently I observed few reviews where people use to ask for these two things.
3. Though we know Iajuddin Ahmed and Shahabuddin Ahmed were nominated as a non-party president. But, it will be very difficult to manage references, specially for Iajuddin Ahmed as his nomination was extremely disputed.

Cheers. -- Niaz^{(Talk • Contribs)} 01:14, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Just another quick observation - Jamiruddin Sircar is listed in this list but Syed Nazrul Islam isn't though both of them were acting president[1]. Shouldn't we include Syed Nazrul Islam? -- Niaz^{(Talk • Contribs)} 01:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I have just created List of Prime Ministers of Bangladesh, and if I may, it looks good (few kinks apart). Regarding the the discussion above I see no real argument supporting a combined article of list and prose, apart from the fact that there are many articles done that way. But, lists and prose articles are really separate things altogether, and are better handled separately. While the list can provide a comprehensive data index for Bangladesh presidents, the prose article can provide details, backgrounds and context. The value of one lies in easy accessibility, of the other it lies in comprehensive coverage. Thus, it would be only fair to have separate articles, each with a link to the other. And, oh, both the list articles could drive towards featured lists, unlike the prose articles that will still take some time to evolve towards a featured class. I am sure Mohsin will be there in time (he is a rare example in diligence and positive attitude), but way before that he could lead us to two featured lists. Let's get cracking to that end. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 12:39, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

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Rename (move) of Page

I have moved (renamed) the page as Bangladesh has been not only headed by Presidents but by the following designations: -

• President
• Acting President
• Chief Martial Law Adminstrator
• Interim President

Bangladesh also switched from Presidential form of Government to Parliamentary form of Government in the year 1991. Incognito1980 17:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Incognito1980 (talk • contribs)

Move discussion in progress

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Gaps/overruns in succession

3 inconsistencies in the timeline of succession:

1. Between numbers 7 and 8, there is a 3-day gap.
2. Between numbers 8 and 9, there is a 1-day gap.
3. Acting President Abdul Hamid has a start date 6 days before the end date (death) of Zillur Rahman.

—[AlanM1(talk)]— 16:54, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Additionally, there are issues with the numbering. Normally, when someone is elected to non-successive terms, they are given a new number. So, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman second term in 1975 (during which he was assassinated) should actually be president #4, with those following incremented by one, making Zillur Rahman #15. This is, however, inconsistent with his article, which claims he is 19th.

An additional way of numbering is that of "presidencies", which would include anyone who assumes the office, including acting presidents or equivalent positions. I suggest sourcing this (perhaps from wherever the Zillur Rahman article got 19th) and adding another # column for it. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 16:42, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

BAKSAL vs. BAL

According to BAKSAL:

"BAKSAL dissolved after Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's assassination on August 15, 1975"

Why is it listed as the party for subsequent president Khondaker Mostaq Ahmad? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 17:00, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2014

please correct the serial 118.179.179.2 (talk) 05:43, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Not done: Please frame request in a "change X to Y" format Cannolis (talk) 08:45, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Revert of restyle edit

File:Image of none.svg
The image I used in place of missing portrait photos.

@Sundostund: I would like you to see WP:Revert only when necessary#Unacceptable reversions please:

Don't revert an edit because it is unnecessary — because it does not improve the article. For a reversion to be appropriate, the reverted edit must actually make the article worse. Wikipedia does not have a bias toward the status quo (except in cases of fully developed disputes, while they are being resolved). In fact, Wikipedia has a bias toward change, as a means of maximizing quality by maximizing participation.

My edit was a largely style fix which tried to get it more in-line with the german wikipedia. I've made the following improvements:

1. Fix the inconsistent image sizes and consistently centre all portraiture photographs by using {{CSS image crop}}.
2. Make the row-colour for acting presidents the colour of "wheat."
3. Reorganise the table to make way for a description-space similar to List of presidents of India which relieves the small {{note}} system and allows for larger summaries.
4. Use File:Image of none.svg in the place of missing portrait pictures so people know that there is no image on wikipedia instead of waiting for the non-existant image to load.
5. Move the party colour bands out into a separate column to make sure the numbers are always readable. This isn't much of a difference but this is how it is done in the German wikipedia.

Please tell me what the reason was for your reversion so that I can fix it, thank you. – Nahiyan8 (talk | contribs) 23:55, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

@Nahiyan8: I reverted your edit for the sake of consistency - you remodeled this list, but not List of Prime Ministers of Bangladesh too, which certainly should be done. Both lists should look the same way. Also, I don't like the idea to place File:Image of none.svg instead of File:No image.png. Almost all lists of officeholders in the English Wikipedia use "No image.png" when there are no available images of officeholders... As for other parts of your edit, I'll look into it in the next few days or so, and I'll try to fix what I think should be fixed (most of that are some minor stuff). --Sundostund (talk) 00:23, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Incorrect numbering

I have removed the "No." numbering column from the table. The ranking is unsourced, and it contradicts published reliable sources which say for example that Zillur Rahman was the 19th[2] and Abdul Hamid is the 20th president.[3] I don't know where the error in the table begins, or why. Feel free to restore the column if you can correct the data based on a reliable source. --IamNotU (talk) 14:42, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

@IamNotU:, Hi, thanks for bringing up the point of the appropriate ordering of the presidents. Different outlets may follow different policies (for example, consecutive presidencies into a single one like in List of Presidents of the United States or not considering the ones in-charge or not considering temporary ones). I think it is safe to stick the official order. I see the official list is not available now. But it is archived thankfully. Can you please restore the order in this article and across all the presidents' articles that you have edited recently to keep them consistent (with the archived official link as the lone source). I super appreciate the effort. Thanks Altaf (talk) 23:44, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Md.altaf.rahman, thanks for your reply! I'm not able to simply restore the list to what it was before, as the numbering doesn't correspond to the link you gave, nor to any other reliable source I can find. For example, all references I can find to Abdul Hamid being the 16th president appear to trace back to Wikipedia. That means the numbering scheme that was in use was original research, which has been spreading, and that is unacceptable. I have restored the column because it does have color-coding indicating the parties, but I have removed the numbering.

I'm not convinced about the link you gave being the "official order". For one thing, it's been removed from the website, which doesn't give much confidence in it. [Edit: the page is live again. --IamNotU (talk) 17:36, 28 March 2020 (UTC)] Secondly, it looks to me like it's internally inconsistent - some who are listed with multiple terms or partially temporary terms are numbered only once, while others are numbered each time. Also the existing list would have to be modified to correspond with it, as for example the first term of Hussain Muhammad Ershad is not acknowledged by it. Most importantly, it would appear to be a primary source, which is contradicted by several reliable, independent secondary sources, as well as by other offices of the government. For example, it lists Zillur Rahman as the 21st president, but the Daily Star, which is considered the newspaper of record of Bangladesh, states that he is the 19th,[4] as does the government's publication Bangladesh Quarterly,[5] the Bangladesh Embassy in the US,[6] and numerous other news agencies. President Hamid's press secretary referred to Hamid as the 20th and 21st president,[7] making Rahman the 19th, and the Election Commission also stated that Rahman was the 19th.[8] So I'm afraid that I can't support a numbering scheme in this article that lists him as the 21st president - we can't simply ignore those sources in the name of consistency. The suggestion to number all the presidential articles using one lone archived source, which is clearly not widely accepted, is something I would be strongly against, as it doesn't adhere to WP:V and WP:NPOV.

This started when I noticed edit warring in the Abdul Hamid article over the numbering. I tried to find a reliable source for it, and it seemed that it was widely reported, for example by the Daily Star, that he was in 2013 elected the 20th president, though there were a few sources, both government and news, that had a different number. However, as I tried to go backwards to past presidents, I found that there was much more disagreement about the numbering, with sources like the BBC contradicting the Daily Star, etc., and it became unwieldy, leading for example to this: Special:Diff/866343285. Mewulwe has now removed the numbering from that article, and at this point I think that is the best approach, and should be done to the rest. There is some discussion of the issue at Template talk:Infobox officeholder/Archive 21#Numbering, which led to the adoption of the Usage advice at Template:Infobox officeholder, which states:

"The parameter |order= is used in conjunction with |office= to state that the officeholder is the nth holder of the office, for example "42nd President of the United States". This should only be used when there is a well established use of such numbering in reliable sources. Do not add numbers simply based on a Wikipedia list of holders of the office, because (1) the list may not be accurate and (2) even with a definite list, different numbering systems could be applied (as to how various categories of "irregular" officeholders should be counted, and as to the counting of those serving for multiple non-consecutive periods) making the numbers arbitrary; and even where such issues are not yet present, they are bound to be in the future, making this unsustainable. Per WP:SEAOFBLUE, is not recommended to wikilink |order= to a list of officeholders, even if such a list exists."

In my opinion in this case there isn't "a well established use of such numbering in reliable sources", and Wikipedia must not arbitrarily choose or invent a numbering scheme that is not widely recognized, or it risks spreading misinformation, as has already been happening. It's possible that one or more of the president articles could briefly mention the fact that sources don't agree on the numbering, but not in the lead or infobox. Sorry if that's not what you wanted to hear, and I understand the desire for consistency, but Wikipedia's core content policies must prevail... --IamNotU (talk) 15:34, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

@IamNotU:, thanks for stating very valid points. Clearly I am not aware of all the aspects regarding the ordering. I'll let you and others to resolve the issue. cheers ! Altaf (talk) 22:16, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2019

2405:205:1300:164B:0:0:76C:98A0 (talk) 11:17, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended content

WP: RFP List of Presidents of Bangladesh From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to navigationJump to search Bangladesh National emblem of Bangladesh.svg This article is part of a series on the politics and government of Bangladesh Constitution and law[show] Government[show] Administrative geography[show] Elections[show] Foreign policy[show] Flag of Bangladesh.svg Bangladesh portal Other countries Atlas vte The complete list of Presidents of Bangladesh includes the persons sworn into the office as President of Bangladesh following the Bangladeshi Declaration of Independence in 1971. Contents 1 Numbering 2 Key 3 Presidents 4 Footnotes 5 See also 6 External links Numbering After Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, the first President of Bangladesh, there is no single numbering system for the subsequent Presidents that is universally accepted and followed, even by government representatives. Different sources may calculate the numbering in different ways, depending whether they count Acting Presidents, how multiple terms are treated, whether the count is by number of terms or number of individuals, and other factors. For example, A. Q. M. Badruddoza Chowdhury, although he served only a single term, has been described in a government publication and in the press as the 16th President of Bangladesh,[1][2] as well as the 15th,[3] the 13th[4] and the 11th.[5] A list published in 2018 by Bdnews24.com appears to coincide with statements made by the country's Election Committee, making Abdul Hamid the 20th President when first elected in 2013,[6] yet contradicts the numbering of a list published in 2016 on the President's own official website.[7] The Bangladesh High Commission, Singapore, in 2018 lists him as the 22nd President.[8] Other reports about previous Presidents, including some by Bangladesh's newspaper of record the Daily Star, do not correspond with either list.[9][10] Key Political parties Bangladesh Awami League / BAKSAL Bangladesh Nationalist Party Jatiya Party Other factions Military Independent Presidents Name (Birth–Death) Portrait Term of office Time in Office Party Sheikh Mujibur Rahman (1920–1975)[11] Sheikh Mujibur Rahman in 1950.jpg 17 April 1971 12 January 1972 270 days Bangladesh Awami League Syed Nazrul Islam (1925–1975) Acting President (for Mujibur Rahman) No image.png 17 April 1971 12 January 1972 270 days Bangladesh Awami League Abu Sayeed Chowdhury (1921–1987) 12 January 1972 24 December 1973 1 year, 346 days Bangladesh Awami League Mohammad Mohammadullah (1921–1999) No image.png 27 January 1974 Acting since 24 December 1973 25 January 1975 1 year, 31 days Bangladesh Awami League Sheikh Mujibur Rahman (1920–1975) Sheikh Mujibur Rahman in 1950.jpg 25 January 1975 15 August 1975 (Assassinated) 202 days BAKSAL Khondaker Mostaq Ahmad (1918–1996) 15 August 1975 6 November 1975 (Deposed) 83 days Bangladesh Awami League Abu Sadat Mohammad Sayem (1916–1997)[12] No image.png 6 November 1975 21 April 1977 1 year, 167 days Bangladesh Awami League Ziaur Rahman (1936–1981)[13] Ziaur Rahman 1979.jpg 21 April 1977 30 May 1981 (Assassinated) 4 years, 39 days Military / Bangladesh Nationalist Party Abdus Sattar (1906–1985) 20 November 1981 Acting since 30 May 1981 24 March 1982 (Deposed) 298 days Bangladesh Nationalist Party Hussain Muhammad Ershad (1930–) Chief Martial Law Administrator[14] Hussain M. Ershad - 3.JPG 24 March 1982 27 March 1982 3 days Military Ahsanuddin Chowdhury (1915–2001) 27 March 1982 10 December 1983 1 year, 257 days Independent Hussain Muhammad Ershad (1930–) Hussain M. Ershad - 3.JPG 11 December 1983 6 December 1990 6 years, 360 days Military / Jatiya Party Shahabuddin Ahmed (1930–) Acting President No image.png 6 December 1990 10 October 1991 308 days Independent Abdur Rahman Biswas (1926–2017) 10 October 1991 9 October 1996 4 years, 364 days Bangladesh Nationalist Party Shahabuddin Ahmed (1930–) No image.png 9 October 1996 14 November 2001 5 years, 35 days Independent Badruddoza Chowdhury (1932–) No image.png 14 November 2001 21 June 2002 219 days Bangladesh Nationalist Party Muhammad Jamiruddin Sircar (1931–) Acting President No image.png 21 June 2002 6 September 2002 77 days Bangladesh Nationalist Party Iajuddin Ahmed (1931–2012) No image.png 6 September 2002 12 February 2009 6 years, 158 days Independent Zillur Rahman (1929–2013) Zillur Rahman in Neubrandenburg, Germany in 1973.jpg 12 February 2009 20 March 2013 (Died in office) 4 years, 38 days Bangladesh Awami League Abdul Hamid (1944–) Abdul Hamid (politician).jpg 24 April 2013 Acting since 14 March 2013 (for Zillur Rahman until 20 March 2013) 20 March 2018 5 years, 172 days Bangladesh Awami League 20 March 2018 Incumbent Footnotes

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:205:1300:164B:0:0:76C:98A0 (talk) 13:02, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 13:53, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks ElHef. But you may perhaps wish to remove the above non-request entirely, and possibly take further action if you are an admin. Every edit by the above IP address that I've been able to check so far has had to be reverted by me or other editors. Tlhslobus (talk) 06:42, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@Tlhslobus: I am not an admin. I collapsed the request, I don't really see a need to remove it entirely. If further action needs to be taken with the IP user then it should go to a noticeboard of some sort. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 20:07, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Collapsing was an excellent idea. As for noticeboards, I'll probably wait to see if that's necessary as I'm not too sure which one is needed and I suspect somebody who knows more about such matters will probably get there ahead of me if one is really needed. Regards, Tlhslobus (talk) 22:15, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

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Shahabuddin Chuppu

On April 24 2023 there will be a new president of this land who’s name is Shahabuddin Chuppu (born on 10 December 1949). We can add him.

His number will be ‘’elect’’.

I cannot edit this because the article is semi-protected and I am just an ordinary Ip address. 202.84.42.187 (talk) 13:47, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

March 1982

I often edit head of state list articles, and I'm fully aware that there are sometimes situations in many countries where the person(s) exercising the office are in dispute, or there are people who hold de facto power instead of or in addition to those who hold de jure authority. Nevertheless, it just doesn't seem very encyclopeadic to leave a gap marked 'Vacant' as this one has for the period 24 – 27 March 1982. I would suggest Hussain Muhammad Ershad should appear there, making clear that he wasn't president but was in power in practical terms; perhaps a slightly different wording of the current footnote, plus a background colour to indicate the temporary/interim/acting nature of the situation? 217.155.59.206 (talk) 15:39, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

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Bangladesh all president name list

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