Talk:Mr. Ratburn and the Special Someone

Notability

I can understand someone wants to start an article about the episode due to its LGBT theme, but the details about the episode can be satisfied in the Arthur article and its episode list. The Arthur spinoff of Postcards from Buster had an episode titled Sugartime!. Sugartime! generated more controversy due to its live action scene of showing a same-sex couple. Even with the controversy that paled to Mr. Ratburn and the Special Someone, the episode did not garner enough notability to have its own article. The subject of that episode was satisfied in the show's article. FunksBrother (talk) 01:19, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Z1720 (talk) 21:36, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that an episode of the children's TV show Arthur featuring a same-sex wedding was not aired on Alabama's PBS network? Source: Crain 2019: "Alabama Public Television chose not to air PBS’s Arthur episode that included a same-sex marriage."
  • Reviewed: The Turbulent Term of Tyke Tiler

Converted from a redirect by Bobamnertiopsis (talk). Self-nominated at 20:47, 25 June 2022 (UTC).

• The article is new and long enough, sourced and neutral, and meets DYK-relevant policies – Earwig finds only quotes and titles. The hook is clear, sourced, neutral, and interesting. This is good to go! ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 16:41, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

• Hi Ezlev, thanks for the review. Just popping by to note that I've now begun a QPQ. Thanks! —⁠Collin^{t c} 22:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

• Yikes, Collin, I don't know how I missed that! All's well since you've started one anyway, though – thanks. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 22:54, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Nice work.

North8000 (talk) 12:59, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Hulk

Include a sentence of Mr. Ratburn turning into the Hulk 174.24.104.56 (talk) 01:45, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

GA review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Mr. Ratburn and the Special Someone/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: GhostRiver (talk · contribs) 14:53, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

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Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

General comments

• Earwig copyvio score looks good, only matches are for the episode title and a cited direct quote
• No images in article, so image criteria N/A
  • That being said, you can include an appropriately low-res, fair use screenshot of the episode, perhaps of Mr. Ratburn and Patrick walking down the aisle. See "Free Churro" and "The View from Halfway Down" as a couple examples of this.
    • Thanks for starting the review GhostRiver! I've added an image (uploaded too large, with the knowledge that the bot will downscale to an appropriate size in the next few days) and provided a citation to support its inclusion in the infobox. —⁠Collin^{t c} 16:18, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
      • Hi Bobamnertiopsis, I wanted to let you know that I have not forgotten about this review. Last week I suffered a death in the family and I've been taking time to grieve. Thank you for your understanding. — GhostRiver 21:57, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
        • Hey GhostRiver, by chance I was checking on this review today and saw the banner on your talkpage. Please take all the time you need. I'm so sorry for your loss. —⁠Collin^{t c} 22:00, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Status query

GhostRiver, Collin, I was wondering whether this review might be continuing soon. I notice that GhostRiver has recently been doing some editing. It would be great to get this moving again. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:04, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello! I'm around for edits at GhostRiver's convenience. Thanks for checking in BlueMoonset. —⁠Collin^{t c} 21:05, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

New reviewer needed

Per User talk:GhostRiver#Incomplete GA reviews, GhostRiver has asked me to mark this review as available for a new reviewer to take over; she is "not in the headspace" to be doing reviews. Thank you for considering doing this review. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:53, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Bobamnertiopsis, I'll take this one. To keep things organized, I'm going to close this review and open a new one at Talk:Mr. Ratburn and the Special Someone/GA2. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:11, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Thebiguglyalien (talk · contribs) 05:13, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

I'll have a review posted here shortly. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:13, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Bobamnertiopsis, the review is below. As you might have suspected, the main thing to look at is the article's length and whether its coverage is sufficient. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 06:48, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Bobamnertiopsis, I opened this up to see where it was at, and it looks like you've addressed everything. I'll mark it as a good article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:03, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Thebiguglyalien, thanks! I'll probably do a little more work on it yet but I do think I hit all the points you mentioned at least somewhat, and if you're satisfied it meets GA criteria then I'm happy. Thanks for the thorough review! —⁠Collin^{t c} 20:59, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Well-written

• I suggest reorganizing the lead. The thing that makes the episode notable—the same-sex marriage—should probably be first mentioned no later than the second sentence. It might flow better if you sort it by topic, so that the first paragraph details its real world notability, and then the second paragraph can be a 2–4 sentence summary of the plot.
• when suddenly he and Patty appear – "suddenly" doesn't add anything and can be removed.
• they slip a note purporting to be from Mr. Ratburn – This should specify that it was a romantic poem.
• "broadcast" is a better heading for a TV episode than "release"
• I know that this is in part an effect of the limited information, but try to avoid 1–2 sentence paragraphs.
• though not the first appearance of gay characters in an Arthur property. A 2005 episode of the spinoff show – It would be clearer if there was one sentence about Arthur and then one sentence about Postcards from Buster.
• Given how short the section is, the "censorship" subheading probably isn't necessary.

Verifiable with no original research

Metro is considered to be generally unreliable. The claim it supports either needs a more reliable source, or it should be removed.

Spotchecks:

• Frank – Good.
• Crain – In its first use, it only seems to support the premiere date. That whole sentence can just be cited by Rotten Tomatoes. Otherwise good.
• Aviles – Good.

Broad in its coverage

This is the one we'll need to look at more closely. While a GA isn't required to be comprehensive, shorter articles are generally expected to either be expanded or to already cover everything in the sources. To start, I suggest really mining the sources that are in the article to get everything you can out of them.

A few ideas for things to look for:

• Production: Who else worked on this episode besides Hirsch and Lynch? When and how did they decide to have Mr. Ratburn get married and to feature a same-sex marriage?
• Themes: If possible, the article could cover how it addresses same-sex marriage in more detail, and elaborate on any lessons that the characters learned. Maybe some coverage of recent developments in same-sex representation on television, specifically developments mentioned in articles about this episode.
• Reception: Have any other critics talked about this episode? Did any organizations address it besides GLAAD and these specific religious organizations? Is there any information about how many people watched its premiere?

I looked through a few sources, and these are the ones I found that seem to have useful info:

• How Social Movements (Sometimes) Matter
• How a Gay Character on Arthur Reflects Changing Norms in the U.S. – The Atlantic
• ‘Arthur’ Opens Season With a Same-Sex Wedding and a Cake – The New York Times

Neutral

No ideas are given undue weight, and the article does not present its own opinions.

Stable

No disputes.

Illustrated

The picture is relevant and it has a non-free use rationale. If possible, it might be worth rewording the caption so it conveys the same idea without being so wordy.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.