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 | A fact from Neil Sean appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 7 May 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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Did you know nomination
edit- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 14:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
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- ... that prior to becoming a royal reporter for Fox News, the English journalist Neil Sean released a cover of Cliff Richard's "We Don't Talk Anymore" with his mother? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/jun/27/bskyb.television for Fox stuff, https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/8062217.variety-is-the-spice-of-life-for-ann/ for the single, http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/mirfield-born-showbiz-writer-neil-sean-7830097 for Ann Montini being his mother
- ALT1: ... that according to Neil Sean's 2012 book How to Live Like a Celebrity for Free, "a good Cartier belt, vintage cufflinks, a Hermès scarf" can be found just by rummaging in charity shops? Source: https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/9844529.neil-seans-tongue-in-cheek-celebrity-tips/
- ALT2: ... that a review for The Times described Neil Sean's D.R. W.H.O.: The Lost Interviews as "the shonkiest Doctor Who DVD ever made"? Source: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/whats-on-tv-tonight-h5z2wcdjp, https://archive.ph/8NRVB for non-paywalled version
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/West Georgia Wolves football
Created by Launchballer (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 215 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Launchballer 16:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC).
Hook is interesting and article looks good. One question I have is that in the lead it says He also spent a periods as Travelodge's
, which appears to be a mistake to me and should say "period". Earwig's is clean. —Panamitsu (talk) 09:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not seeing any evidence of leaving and then returning, so changed to "a period".--Launchballer 09:14, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
NPOV
edit@Launchballer and Panamitsu: an IP editor has requested removal of the article at Wikipedia:Help desk#Neil Sean. I have read the article and his main claim to fame seems to be the criticism from Dave Gorman, which makes it difficult to write an neutral article. Possibly an AfD nomination per WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE would be appropriate. TSventon (talk) 11:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- A journalist who broadcasts every day and who appeared on Fox News as recently as last month as a pundit is not a non-public figure, and this is pure vandalism. We should not be entertaining an obvious troll.--Launchballer 13:17, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies, the link should have been WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE. I think the IP is has raised a valid issue about NPOV, even though they should not have vandalised the article and are now blocked. About half of the body of the article is sourced to Dave Gorman: Modern Life Is Goodish, and more to an interview with Dave Gorman. That is probably undue weight, especially as MLIG is a comedy programme and Gorman does not like Sean.TSventon (talk) 15:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- That's a fairer point, although given that Modern Life is Goodish would have gone through a production company's lawyers and the channel's lawyers (as evidenced by the section beginning "Gorman also questioned"), I personally don't think it matters that it's a comedy programme, it's RS by all other measures. I'm pretty sure I'm only using him for attributed opinion and descriptions of work contents, and I've included other opinions for all three of the works he had reviewed - which bits would you cut? (I should probably ping PrimalMustelid, given they've just promoted this for DYK.)--Launchballer 16:53, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that everything Gorman said will have been checked by lawyers, but my inclination would be to remove Gorman's comedy as a source. You could ask at WP:RSN, but I searcheded their archive for comedy and Jayron32 said "Comedy and satire sites are not even sources. It's fiction." see diff. TSventon (talk) 19:05, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, Modern Life is Goodish is much better than that. This is more a lecture that happens to be funny, I need longer to think of a more accurate comparison before I head to the Noticeboard.--Launchballer 19:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Natalie Haynes Stands Up for the Classics is used as a reference for Hippolyta, but arguably Haynes is a subject matter expert. TSventon (talk) 19:51, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, Modern Life is Goodish is much better than that. This is more a lecture that happens to be funny, I need longer to think of a more accurate comparison before I head to the Noticeboard.--Launchballer 19:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that everything Gorman said will have been checked by lawyers, but my inclination would be to remove Gorman's comedy as a source. You could ask at WP:RSN, but I searcheded their archive for comedy and Jayron32 said "Comedy and satire sites are not even sources. It's fiction." see diff. TSventon (talk) 19:05, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- That's a fairer point, although given that Modern Life is Goodish would have gone through a production company's lawyers and the channel's lawyers (as evidenced by the section beginning "Gorman also questioned"), I personally don't think it matters that it's a comedy programme, it's RS by all other measures. I'm pretty sure I'm only using him for attributed opinion and descriptions of work contents, and I've included other opinions for all three of the works he had reviewed - which bits would you cut? (I should probably ping PrimalMustelid, given they've just promoted this for DYK.)--Launchballer 16:53, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies, the link should have been WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE. I think the IP is has raised a valid issue about NPOV, even though they should not have vandalised the article and are now blocked. About half of the body of the article is sourced to Dave Gorman: Modern Life Is Goodish, and more to an interview with Dave Gorman. That is probably undue weight, especially as MLIG is a comedy programme and Gorman does not like Sean.TSventon (talk) 15:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)