Talk:Photovoltaic power station

Developing the article

For this article to achieve wp:ga Good Article status, it needs to be more complete, including the lead, needs to have the text written better, needs to have more references, and should probably only list a dozen of the larger plants, plus a number of notable early ones. There are a few I can think of who can bang out a WP:FA in a couple of weeks, but I would recommend starting with GA. I am guessing that the article is written in British English, correct me if that is not the case. This is a collaborative effort, so no matter how bad your grammar is or spelling or whatever, there is still an important role that you can play in helping to improve the article. Where one person is weak someone else is strong, and if you start it someone else will have less work to do to finish it. Like not ending sentences with a preposition like that, or this. It is easier to fix that than it is to write the whole sentence. I used to think that I could help edit Chinese English, but I found them so amusing that I decided it was easier for me to just read them and laugh. See When You Are Engulfed in Flames (rather than the title of a chapter of a book, my recollection is that it was part of the instructions on how to use the fire hose) - the implication that no one need take any action unless you are actually engulfed in flames ISBN 978-0316143479. Apteva (talk) 10:26, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes you're right about British (is that a problem?). 'More complete' and 'written better' are rather subjective (this is the first page I've started, but to me it seems as good as many others I've looked at) - can you be more specific? Good idea to list only the 'historically significant' plants. I'll give it some thought and change later. --MrRenewables (talk) 11:24, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

British is not a problem, it just means I have to use a British spell checker, and some of the sentences sound funny to an American, but not to a Brit. A predominance of Wikipedia articles seem to be in British English, maybe that is because you have a 5 to 8 hour jump on us each day. Add more words. You are up to about 570, a typical GA has about 3000, though the Wind power in South Australia article has about 1773. Solar power has 2902 and Solar energy has 5503 - which is tending toward the long size, actually - 70,643 characters loads a bit slow on a dial-up modem. WP:SIZEGUIDE suggests that anything over 60,000 should probably be split into smaller articles. The See also does not need to be so highly organized - it is usually just a bunch of links in alphabetic order. The references need not be formatted to the strict standards of a Featured Article, which requires uniform citation, but the article does need to provide "references to all sources of information". Apteva (talk) 23:55, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Arco Lugo plant

The role of Bhavik Dabhi, if pivotal, needs to be verified by independent references. I visited the plant when it was being built and understood the prime movers were Arco Solar's Bill Yerkes and Ron Arnault, and this is also the implication from the relevant section in [Bob Johnstone's book]--PhilipWolfe (talk) 12:10, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

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Photovoltaic power station → Solar power plant – Current name is less commonly used Chidgk1 (talk) 18:15, 15 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. VR _talk 05:50, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

• Sounds good to me, 12:03, 16 November 2021 (UTC) Sadads (talk) 12:03, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Those are not synonyms, solar power in broader term than photovoltaic power. We have the Category:Solar power stations and we have the Category:Photovoltaic power stations as a subcategory of it. Although most of solar power stations are photovoltaic power stations, solar power includes also concentrated solar power, e.g. Ivanpah Solar Power Facility, which is not photovoltaic power station. Another issue is 'station' versus 'plant'. It was agreed quite a long time ago to use 'station' instead of 'plant' (with few exceptions) and the corresponding category is named Category:Solar power stations, not plants. Beagel (talk) 20:48, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

As a Brit I am fine with either "station" or "plant". Re CSP I thought that point might come up. They seem to be called "Solar Thermal Power Stations" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_solar_thermal_power_stations So as there are so few "Solar Thermal Power Stations" don't you think we could just have a hatnote at the top of "Solar Power Station" to say something like "This article is about power stations which use solar panels. For Solar Thermal Power stations see Concentrated solar power" ? Alternatively there could perhaps be a short section in this article about Solar Thermal Power Stations linking to Concentrated solar power as their main article? Chidgk1 (talk) 08:09, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Actually I just realized there are of course far more in USA than UK - which would be an argument for using American English - but as I say I don't mind. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:30, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

• Relister's comment: anyone making an argument about which name is more common needs to back that argument with evidence.VR _talk 05:51, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh do I? I thought it was common knowledge and not disputed. From where I live a Google search gives over 10 times more results for "solar power station" or "solar power plant" than for the existing name. Chidgk1 (talk) 10:31, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

It is my opinion that everyone needs to provide evidence for an assertion they will make. Google search results for "solar power plant" gives ambiguous results. The third search result is actually about "Solar thermal power plants" which are not the same thing as the subject of this article. Since I have now delved too deep into this discussion, I let someone else close it. VR _talk 16:29, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Photovoltaic power station/GA4. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

Obviously a lot of good stuff has happened in the world since this article became good in 2013, so to keep it up to the good standard of being broad in coverage but summary style I suggest the following:

Check existing article and list below against Solar power to avoid either gaps or duplication and consider moving some info - for example perhaps some of the "environmental impacts" such as "energy payback" and "land use" should be moved here

Consider replacing the history section with an excerpt of Growth of photovoltaics

Consider replacing the geography section with an excerpt of Solar power by country

Mention Floating solar perhaps by excerpting

Summarize how these power stations influence and are perhaps influenced by fossil fuel phase out, climate change mitigation and energy transition

Summarize how these power stations interact with wind, hydro, nuclear linking in more detailed articles such as Hybrid power as appropriate

Summarize relationship with battery power stations perhaps mentioning duck curve - should add the distinction between dc and ac-coupled battery systems PVKamikaze 23:10, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Relationship with rooftop solar? - perhaps use Australia as an example

Long distance transmission e.g. Morocco export to UK + Europe well via HVDC --> Desertec PVKamikaze 23:10, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps mention VALCOE

Perhaps add a little on government policy - for example local content requirements, panel import tariffs

About 40 "Noteworthy solar parks" are listed but not all have Wikipedia articles. Suggest either list is shortened to the most noteworthy or deleted altogether with the most noteworthy dicussed in the text

Some tags need fixing

Chidgk1 (talk) 14:19, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Are you just looking for a re-assessment as to whether this is still a GA or do you want someone to go and fix some of the issues you've mentioned above? VR _talk 15:40, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Vice regent Thanks for quick reply. Happy also to have your re-assessment comments, but mainly am hoping people will fix it as obviously it is a very important subject. Chidgk1 (talk) 16:53, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try to fix things.VR _talk 21:29, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm more than happy to add additional comments and clarification as well PVKamikaze 23:10, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks - if I remember right re Morocco UK there is a newer company than Desertec - also maybe Australia Singapore - perhaps you can sıummarize the general principle in the article so as not to get too country specific. Chidgk1 (talk) 07:01, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree with the suggestions. A lot of the current content is notable and should be kept, albeit with newer sources. Projects should only be included if construction has started. TGCP (talk) 18:43, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Vice regent thanks for making a start TGCP PVKamikaze I hope you are well - are you able to edit in some improvements now? Chidgk1 (talk) 18:28, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Vice regent TGCP PVKamikaze If you are not likely to work on this soon I am going to delist it in a day or 2 - which would be a pity for such an important subject Chidgk1 (talk) 13:22, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for my late response. I was planning to work on it over the holidays. Darn work got pretty busy over the last month ;) Many solar-farms in the work for the US East coast and a few in Canada. Nice greetings from Canada PVKamikaze 17:10, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

In what section should I add content on long-distance transmission of solar energy, say from Sahara to Europe? VR _talk 13:29, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Maybe "Economics and finance" as maybe they balance the increased sales to new customers with the cost of installing transmission and transmission losses. Or maybe "power delivery". Just guessing - your decision. https://www.economist.com/business/2021/10/11/the-booming-business-of-knitting-together-the-worlds-electricity-grids Chidgk1 (talk) 17:29, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Actually maybe you can find a better cite which is more accessible as the examples in the Economist article above are mainly wind. Talking of speculative possibilities they mention:

".... a 3,800km cable linking the sun-baked solar fields of Morocco with Britain. Another consortium wants to link Australia, Indonesia and Singapore, a 4,200km project." Chidgk1 (talk) 07:10, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm too busy now. The rapid development in technology and economy of large solar power stations means, in my view, that the article cannot become stable and therefore not generally a Good Article anytime soon. That's okay, it's still a good article, it's just not a Good Article. But if editors can maintain a steady upkeep I won't go against a GA nomination. TGCP (talk) 08:50, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

You are right that things are changing - for the good in my opinion. But not as fast as a breaking news story. I think a way to avoid the need for such frequent updates would be to remove some of the excess detail from the article and write in more summary style. For example the table of auction prices could be condensed to one row per year with some kind of average or range for the year. Thus the table would only need updating once a year. And (if the country articles are sufficient quality) the country subsections could be replaced by excerpts, or indeed removed entirely if not significant e.g. solar in UK. Chidgk1 (talk) 10:12, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to those who have updated the article but I am delisting as there are obviously not enough people working on it Chidgk1 (talk) 17:13, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Geography section

Chidgk1 suggested "Consider replacing the geography section with an excerpt of Solar power by country". What is that excerpt? Do you mean that lead of that article? VR _talk 03:20, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes that's right the lead - I don't say you have to use the template {{Excerpt}} - but consider whether you think it is a good idea or not and if so do it Chidgk1 (talk) 06:33, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I'll wait to see if there are objections, if not, I'll do it.VR _talk 06:16, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

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What should this article be called?

I doubt the current name is the common name - any ideas? Chidgk1 (talk) 17:52, 11 February 2024 (UTC)