Talk:Prison and Chocolate Cake

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 03:22, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that an association of Prison and Chocolate Cake resulted after police arrived to take Nayantara Sahgal's father away during tea? Source: "they had come to take Papu [their father] to prison, but that it was nothing to worry about, that he wanted to go. ...Describing the incident as "far from unpleasant", she recounts in the book that "We ate our chocolate cake and, in our infant minds, prison became in some mysterious way, associated with chocolate cake".[1]
• ALT1: ... that after the police took her father to prison at tea time when she was three, Nayantara Sahgal thereafter associated Prison and Chocolate Cake? Source: "they had come to take Papu [their father] to prison, but that it was nothing to worry about, that he wanted to go. ...Describing the incident as "far from unpleasant", she recounts in the book that "We ate our chocolate cake and, in our infant minds, prison became in some mysterious way, associated with chocolate cake".[2]
  • Reviewed: Zungwini Mountain skirmishes

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 15:41, 27 February 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is new enough, long enough and very well sourced. The hook is interesting, AGF on offline source. qpq has been provided so this one's ready. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:19, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

I just tweaked the hook. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:27, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Philafrenzy, please do not ever replace an existing hook with something else. That's why we have ALT hooks, to retain the history of what has been proposed. If you have a new wording, always use an ALT; it's very troubling that you let it appear as if your new hook (now shown as ALT1, and way beyond a "tweak") was the one that was approved. I have restored the original hook as approved by BuySomeApples, and will let them decide whether your ALT1 should also be approved. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:19, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

The original was poorly phrased and I missed that it had already been reviewed. I did point out that I had changed it which I obviously wouldn't have done if I had been trying to sneak something through. Calm yourself. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:13, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Philafrenzy, whether it was poorly phrased or not, as a matter of policy you shouldn't be making major wording changes in an existing hook. Next time, rather than saying you've changed it, please just add an ALT instead. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:23, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Philafrenzy and BlueMoonset: ALT1 seems fine (I changed the period for a question mark) but having "after" and "thereafter" in the same hook feels repetitive. Can we adjust the wording a little? Something like "that the police took Nayantara Sahgal's father to prison during tea time when she was three, and she thereafter associated Prison and Chocolate Cake?" BuySomeApples (talk) 06:13, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

• ALT2: ... that as a child, Nayantara Sahgal associated Prison and Chocolate Cake after the police took her father to jail while the family were having tea? Philafrenzy (talk) 07:12, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

• This one's even better. It's clear and punchy. I'm striking the others and approving ALT2. BuySomeApples (talk) 19:58, 28 February 2022 (UTC)