Talk:RRR

Excessive citations

I'll list in this section some of the references that I remove as part of WP:CITEKILL so that they could potentially be used for sourcing other relevant content.

• "SS Rajamouli's RRR, Starring Ajay Devgn, Ram Charan And Jr NTR, Gets New Release Date". NDTV.com. 5 February 2020. Retrieved 5 February 2020.
• Sunder, Gautam (5 February 2020). "SS Rajamouli's period epic 'RRR' to release on January 8, 2021". The Hindu. ISSN 0971-751X. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
  • This is interesting as it says the movie was supposed to release on July 26, 2020. However, existing citations say July 30. Was 26th also an option or did The Hindu get it wrong?
• "SS Rajamouli's 'RRR' slated to release on October 13". The New Indian Express. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "Baahubali director SS Rajamouli's next film to feature Ram Charan and Jr NTR". Firstpost. 19 November 2017. Retrieved 10 August 2021.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
• "SS Rajamouli's RRR: Jr NTR and Ram Charan to attend special workshop". India Today. 7 October 2018. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "SS Rajamouli envisioned 'RRR' to showcase the true glory of freedom fighters". The Times of India. 28 March 2019. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• Nyayapati, Neeshita (14 March 2019). "Everything you need to know about Daisy Edgar Jones, the British actress playing the female lead opposite Jr NTR in RRR". The Times of India. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "British actor Daisy Edgar Jones leaves Rajamouli's 'RRR'". The News Minute. 6 April 2019. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "SS Rajamouli ropes in Olivia Morris Ray Stevenson and Alison Doody for RRR". India Today. 20 November 2020. Retrieved 10 August 2021.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
• "Rajamouli's RRR: Thor Actor Ray Stevenson, Olivia Morris, Alison Doody Join The Cast". NDTV.com. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "Everything You need to know about Ajay Devgn's Character in RRR". filmfare.com. Retrieved 14 July 2021.
• "More About Ajay Devgn's Role In Ram Charan And Jr NTR's RRR". NDTV.com. Retrieved 14 July 2021.
• "Ajay Devgn and Alia Bhatt on board SS Rajamouli's RRR. Set for July 2020 release". The New Indian Express. 14 March 2018. Retrieved 9 December 2021.
• Kumar, Karthik (8 June 2020). "Shriya Saran lands a key role in RRR, to be seen playing Ajay Devgn's pair". Hindustan Times. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• Kumar, Tharun (17 March 2022). "AP Govt to fix enhanced ticket prices for RRR movie, says Minister". The Hindu. ISSN 0971-751X. Retrieved 18 March 2022.
• "Andhra Govt Gives Nod to Hike RRR Ticket Prices After CM's Meet With Makers". News18. 16 March 2022. Retrieved 18 March 2022.
• "Andhra allows higher ticket prices for RRR for 10 days after release". The News Minute. 18 March 2022. Retrieved 18 March 2022.
• "#RRR: The upcoming multistarrer stars rolling; pics inside". The Times of India. 30 November 2018. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• Gabbeta, Ranjith Kumar (2 November 2018). "SS Rajamouli's RRR to be launched on November 11". The Indian Express. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "'Bahubali' director SS Rajamouli announces his next film". The Times of India. 13 November 2018. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "Rajamouli shares a picture with Ram Charan and Jr NTR on the sets of RRR". India Today. 19 November 2018. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "#RRR: The film to have power-packed action sequence post-interval". The Times of India. 30 October 2018. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "#RRR: Jr NTR, Ram Charan begin shooting for SS Rajamouli's next". The Times of India. 19 November 2018. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "Junior NTR, Ram Charan and SS Rajamouli take off to Gujarat for RRR and here's the proof!". Bollywood Hungama. 29 March 2019. Retrieved 29 March 2019.
• "'RRR': Watch the leaked video featuring Jr NTR and Ram Charan from the sets". The Times of India. 3 April 2019. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "RRR: Action sequence, featuring Jr NTR and Ram Charan, leaked from sets of SS Rajamouli's upcoming film". Firstpost. 3 April 2019. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "RRR: SS Rajamouli to spend Rs 45 crore on epic battle sequence. Here are the details". India Today. 7 June 2019. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "New schedule of RRR begins in Bulgaria, SS Rajamouli to shoot key sequences with Jr NTR". Hindustan Times. 27 August 2019. Retrieved 26 May 2020.
• "From London with pride! Photos & Videos from the World Premiere of Baahubali at Royal Albert Hall". The Times of India. 21 October 2019. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "'RRR': Ajay Devgn kick-starts the schedule of SS Rajamouli's next". The Times of India. 21 January 2020. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "RRR: Netizens trend #RRRMovie on Twitter as the film resumes shoot after 7 months". The Times of India. 5 October 2020. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "Ajay Devgn, Alia Bhatt and Ram Charan starrer 'RRR' shoot resumes; makers to unveil NTR's first look on October 22". The Times of India. 6 October 2020. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "Rajamouli's 'RRR' resumes shooting in Hyderabad, filmmakers plan two-month schedule". The News Minute. 5 October 2020. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "'RRR' Diaries: Sneak peek from the latest night schedule of the Jr NTR and Ram Charan starrer". The Times of India. 30 October 2020. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "RRR Diaries! New Schedule of the Ram Charan and NTR starrer flags off in Mahabaleshwar". The Times of India. 3 December 2020. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
• "SS Rajamouli begins shooting for RRR's climax". Filmfare. 19 January 2021. Retrieved 20 January 2021.

More to come — DaxServer (t · m · c) 09:00, 25 March 2022 (UTC) (Updated: — DaxServer (t · m · c) 11:58, 19 May 2022 (UTC))

26 July is wrong, announced as 30 July only. I mean who releases their film on a Sunday? -- Ab207 (talk) 09:41, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ab207 This ref [1] says Anirudh Ravichander was roped in for the song promo. Could it be added in casting or simply at the song promo sentence in design? — DaxServer (t · m · c) 08:44, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

DaxServer, definitely not in the cast section, its reserved for the actual film. Many playback singers of the film have appeared in the lyrical songs, so Anirudh is not special. I'm neutral on adding in other section. -- Ab207 (talk) 09:57, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ab207 P.S. "Bheem for Ramaraju" in March 2020 is missing — DaxServer (t · m · c) 17:38, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

• I'll review the article soon-ish — DaxServer (t · m · c) 14:42, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Inclusion of acclaim by filmmakers for RRR

RRR is a unique Indian movie that has received massive acclaim globally - something that's not shared by any other movie and is inspirational for the entire Indian film ecosystem.

The section below highlights that unique achievement.

Reception of RRR by international Filmmakers

Steven Spielberg praised RRR, saying "I couldn't believe my eyes – it was like eye candy...it was extraordinary to look at and experience." Rajamouli said in response "I can almost get up from the chair and do a dance – it means a lot to me."

James Cameron said that he liked RRR so much that he watched it twice and praised the screenplay, direction and music direction of the movie.

Edgar Wright said that RRR was "an absolute blast" and said it was "The only film I have ever seen where the intermission card itself got a round of applause."

Adam McKay publicly expressed support to RRR for the Oscar awards race.

James Gunn said that about RRR that he "Totally dug it."

Russo Brothers have publicly expressed their appreciation for RRR and its director SS Rajamouli . Joe Russo mentioned “I’ve seen RRR, and it’s amazing." He further mentions "What I think is so amazing about [RRR] is the emotion it evokes, combined with the spectacle."

Scott Derrickson tweeted "To celebrate my birthday last night, my wife, kids and I watched @RRRMovie — what an awesomely outrageous roller coaster of a movie. Loved it"

Joe Dante called RRR a brutal portrait that depicts the horrors of British colonisation and said that "I bet you’ve never seen anything quite like it"

Daniel Kwan lauded the film, saying "While a lot of the blockbusters we're making in the states tend to have self aware, cheeky characters trapped in self-serious filmmaking, RRR was all heart-on-its-sleeve sincerity wrapped up in the most ridiculous over the top execution. So much to love."

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This section has been thoroughly cited (as can be seen from the history version of this page from 26-27 Jan 2024) with all the examples, but is continuously being removed by the user below, whom I address below to better understand the contention:

@Falimy: May I ask why are you removing this section? Is there a problem with citation? Is the acclaim by Steven Speilberg or James Cameron not considered noteworthy by you? Is there any other format that you'll prefer? Are there any other issues that you have noticed?

Kindly clearly articulate the reasons here in the Talk page so that we can understand your reason for persistently editing this section out. SaibaK (talk) 01:54, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

@Jayanthkumar123: May I ask why are you removing this section? Is there a problem with citation? Is the acclaim by Steven Speilberg or James Cameron not considered noteworthy by you? Is there any other format that you'll prefer? Are there any other issues that you have noticed? SaibaK (talk) 15:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Follow the standard film article formats, there can't be no separate section titled "Reception by international filmmakers". No film article on Wikipedia has such section. You cannot add about each and every person, already the article is bigger. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 16:03, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Is there a standard film article format? Kindly point to it. Wikipedia policy has no such thing.

What is presented above is a highly researched and labored section with proper citation and is highly pertinent to the wikipedia page. Discarding such notable information and accolades which is unprecedented for any Indian movie seems inappropriate. Is there any other Indian movie which can even have such a section? RRR is unique and therefore needs a separate section.

Also, kindly discuss the topic here before deleting well researched and cited work by others. SaibaK (talk) 16:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, there is a standard format, I guess you are new here, that's why you might be knowing this. Sections such as production, music, plot, cast, etc. are regularly followed. Be it any bigger film, the same format is followed, there are many bigger films than this in regards of cultural impact or box office, but still the same format is followed. Please go through film articles, you will know more about them. Obviously section with good citations are allowed, but random sections with random names cannot be followed. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 05:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

By the way, you are talking consensus, other than you, did anybody else accepted to include this section in the article, the answer is "no". See here [2], what discussion you are talking about? Except you nobody discussed. So, how can you say as per discussion? Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 05:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

You've not pointed to any standard format link because one doesn't exist.

The mentions included are by top filmmakers of the world such as Steven Speilberg etc. and have been covered by top publications which considered the news newsworthy and have been widely published and cited as well. Removing that is vandalism. However you're calling the well cited work vandalism and aren't following wikipedia guidelines.

If you have problem with this still, open up an RFC. SaibaK (talk) 05:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I have opened up the issue on the dispute resolution page.

Kindly make no further deletions and wait for the dispute resolution.

Here is the link @Jayanthkumar123:

Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#RRR SaibaK (talk) 06:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

user @Jayanthkumar123 is ignoring attempts to gain a consensus and dispute resolution opened by me at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#RRR and as revision 1235976007 show, he continues to remove the well cited and notable content without waiting for the dispute resolution. SaibaK (talk) 06:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

See, I have already mentioned that sections with such bluff names can't be followed Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 06:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy for inclusion of information is this: "Information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable, independent sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article. Wikipedia's concept of notability applies this basic standard to avoid indiscriminate inclusion of topics. Article and list topics must be notable, or "worthy of notice". link Wikipedia:Notability#:~:text=Information on Wikipedia must be,or "worthy of notice".

The content included is verifiable and notable.

The criteria you're using is invented by you and is not a wikipedia policy. Kindly follow wikipedia policy not your imagined criteria. As per wikipedia policy verifiable and notable content should be included. SaibaK (talk) 07:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

The dispute resolution process I had opened has now been concluded: Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#RRR . Following the instruction by the moderator to put back the changes in the article. Thanks. SaibaK (talk) 16:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

I am not active from 23 July 2024 to 29 July 2024, so I was not able to put my comments in the discussion. My opinion is that which article on Wikipedia has the section with the above name "Reception by international filmmakers"? Not a single film on this site has section with such names. Being one of the most-viewed film articles on Wikipedia, I opined to remove this section for neutrality and cleanliness. There are many great films produced, but none of them has a separate section which describes so-called "reception" by international filmmakers. Do we really need to include what each and every person said that too in a separate line and in a separate section. The above discussion has been started by SaibaK who has only 37 all-time edits with 35 belonging to this specific section. He is a new user who randomly added this section in this article. Pinging DareshMohan, Ab207, Swarleystinson88, Fylindfotberserk, Kailash29792, MNWiki845, RangersRus, Gotitbro, BhikhariInformer, Anoopspeaks, DaxServer---- Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 08:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a policy that notable and verifiable information can be included.

Across the nation, newspapers considered this to be notable and newsworthy, but @Jayanthkumar123 insists that he knows better than the Economic Times, the Hindustan times, the Times of India etc. which have covered the section and are included in citation. SaibaK (talk) 23:46, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Also, I've gone through proper dispute resolution process by wikipedia and @Jayanthkumar123 has avoided it despite him being active on the days when the dispute was opened (22 July and he was tagged in it on that day) and @Jayanthkumar123 edits are present on (22 July and 23 July) and yet he has not participated in it. SaibaK (talk) 23:49, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Since you're now back, kindly follow the proper procedure @Jayanthkumar123 . I've opened up a new dispute resolution here:

Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#RRR 2

And have also notified you on your user page in the comment of this section:

User talk:Jayanthkumar123#Dispute resolution notification

Please follow the proper procedure since you claim to be an experienced user. SaibaK (talk) 00:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Refrain from making false allegations against me with such statements--"but @Jayanthkumar123 insists that he knows better than the Economic Times, the Hindustan times, the Times of India etc. which have covered the section and are included in citation". Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 06:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Can you kindly clarify @Jayanthkumar123 : are you not saying that despite the news being covered by the Economic Times, the Hindustan times, the Times of India etc. it should not be included in the article? SaibaK (talk) 08:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Here is your exact line @Jayanthkumar123 from your comment in the talk section above at 08:19, 30 July 2024: "Do we really need to include what each and every person said ". You're arguing about the inclusion of the information despite it being prominent headlines in the Economic Times, the Hindustan times, the Times of India etc. because of your own criteria of what should be included or not. SaibaK (talk) 09:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I stand with what I said. The media will obviously report what happened, but I am not questioning the sources instead I am in an opinion that "is it necessary to include what each and every person said". I don't have any personal criteria. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 05:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

If you feel you are complying with wikipedia's guidelines and don't have any personal criteria/bias, then why are you running away from the dispute resolution opened here?

Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Summary of dispute by Jayanthkumar123

Let the moderators decide if you're following the wikipedia guidelines or not. Don't run away. SaibaK (talk) 08:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Why don't you let other contributors of the page make a opinion. You seem to be in a hurry to resolve the issue. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 06:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

 Comment: @SaibaK and Jayanthkumar123: I'm going to ask both of you stop editing the article until a consensus is reached, either here or at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard. If the two of you keep reverting each other, I will have to block your access to the article. If consensus can't be reached, consider asking for a third opinion or opening a proper RfC on the matter. Jayanthkumar123, you are the more experienced editor here and should avoid doing what seems to me like WP:STONEWALLING. Isabelle Belato ^🏳‍🌈 12:13, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Exactly, I requested the other editor to wait until having a third opinion. But the editor seems to be in a hurry to resolve. Resolving the issue through moderators is fine, but there are many other editors who have contributed to this article, they might have their opinion. I said the same in the above discussion, to have a third opinion. Also, the content was randomly included with no proper discussion. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 06:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

References

RFC: Section on Reception by International Filmmakers

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Shall the section on "Reception by International Filmmakers" at the bottom of this RFC be added after the Reception section? Robert McClenon (talk) 20:25, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Please answer Yes or No, or something similar, with a brief explanation, in the Survey. Please do not reply to the statements of other editors in the Survey. Back-and-forth discussion is what the Discussion section is for.

Survey

Yes. The content is notable and verifiable as per Wikipedia policy. Top international and national publications such as Variety, Times of India, Hindustan Times, Economic Times etc have covered it in their headlines.- user @SaibaK

Yes. It makes for an interesting read because it is short and well cited, and the subject of international attention to Indian cinema seems notable.Rigorousmortal (talk) 19:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes. These are well-sourced statements made by important individuals in the field. That said, they could also be integrated into the preexisting International subsection. Ships & Space_(Edits) 15:50, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Discussion

In my view, the content is notable and verifiable as per Wikipedia policy and thus should be included. Top international and national publications such as Variety, Times of India, Hindustan Times, Economic Times etc have covered it in their headlines. -user @SaibaK

Reception by international filmmakers

Steven Spielberg praised RRR, saying "I couldn't believe my eyes – it was like eye candy...it was extraordinary to look at and experience." Rajamouli said in response "I can almost get up from the chair and do a dance – it means a lot to me."

James Cameron said that he liked RRR so much that he watched it twice and praised the screenplay, direction and music direction of the movie.

JJ Abrams said that he loves the ‘fever dream madness’ of RRR as he introduced SS Rajamouli at LA’s Chinese Theatre.

Edgar Wright said that RRR was "an absolute blast" and said it was "The only film I have ever seen where the intermission card itself got a round of applause."

Christopher Miller has praised RRR, describing it as "like Michael Bay and Baz Luhrmann and Stephen Chow teamed up to make a movie. It was 3 hours long but it could have been 4 hours and I would’ve still enjoyed it."

Adam McKay publicly expressed support to RRR for the Oscar awards race.

James Gunn said that about RRR that he "Totally dug it."

Russo Brothers have publicly expressed their appreciation for RRR and its director SS Rajamouli . Joe Russo mentioned “I’ve seen RRR, and it’s amazing." He further mentions "What I think is so amazing about [RRR] is the emotion it evokes, combined with the spectacle."

Scott Derrickson tweeted "To celebrate my birthday last night, my wife, kids and I watched @RRRMovie — what an awesomely outrageous roller coaster of a movie. Loved it"

Joe Dante called RRR a brutal portrait that depicts the horrors of British colonisation and said that "I bet you’ve never seen anything quite like it"

Jason Blum expressed his expectations that RRR could win Best Picture Oscar 2023

Daniel Kwan lauded the film, saying "While a lot of the blockbusters we're making in the states tend to have self aware, cheeky characters trapped in self-serious filmmaking, RRR was all heart-on-its-sleeve sincerity wrapped up in the most ridiculous over the top execution. So much to love."

References

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Box office collection of RRR

Here is a detailed table regarding the collection of RRR

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt8178634/ N0riooo (talk) 16:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC) Please update the the box office to 166 million usd converted to inr — Preceding unsigned comment added by N0riooo (talk • contribs) 16:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

This is the correct figure. However Box office section of RRR RRR#Box office seems excessively bloated and uses 872 words to report outdated box office figures.

Let's correct this.

Tagging Ab207 too who seems passionate about improving the readability of the article.

Shall we make this much more precise @Ab207 ? Here is a sample draft:

"RRR is estimated to have grossed $166,602,994 or INR 1395+ crore worldwide. During its theatrical run, RRR became the third highest-grossing Indian film, the third highest-grossing film in India, the second highest-grossing Telugu film, and the highest-grossing film in Andhra Pradesh and Telangana, surpassing Rajamouli's previous film Baahubali 2 (2017). "

Why do we need more words to report correct box office figures? SaibaK (talk) 21:00, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Official bo of RRR

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt8178634/ 2409:40F3:2B:ABAF:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 16:52, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Changes to Reception by international filmmakers

Hey, User:SaibaK. May I know what is the reason you’ve reverted my edit? RfC consensus was to retain the section as a whole. It doesn’t mean no improvements can be made.

As tagged by User:BarntToust, the earlier version in list form is very badly written for an encyclopaedia. I’ve added some context to it and converted into prose, without deleting any content. — Ab207 (talk) 14:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Ab207,

The original edit was widely discussed in an RFC for over a month and was generally agreed to be easy to read and well cited and was overseen by various parties including mods. Link below:

Talk:RRR#RFC: Section on Reception by International Filmmakers SaibaK (talk) 14:55, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@SaibaK Nope, RfC outcome says ”There is a consensus that the section on "Reception by International Filmmakers" should be included at the end of the Reception section.”

No discussion has taken place on how the information should be presented. Writing it in prose is the most encyclopaedic way rather than dumping everything as list without context. — Ab207 (talk) 15:13, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

The exact message-including the list format- was also a part of that discussion under the supervision of wikipedia mods/admins. No comments or observations about need for converting this data to prose were made and people participating did comment on it being easy to read and well cited.

If you feel it should be otherwise, kindly start an RFC and open it to comments to the general readers or take any other comparable venue so that your subjective opinion can be put to at least as much scrutiny as the original format in the RFC has already gone through . But until then it's best to defer to RFC which has been very widely discussed under the supervision of wikipedia mods/admins. SaibaK (talk) 16:27, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@SaibaK RfC consensus was to include merely include the section and not WP:STONEWALLING the content without substantive rationale. I don’t think there is any sanctity for “original format” as such as you claim.

Requesting the participants (User:Rigorousmortal and User:Ships&Space) and the closer (User:Robert McClenon) to clarify their position on this. — Ab207 (talk) 17:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Sure. Let's wait for them (User:Rigorousmortal and User:Ships&Space) to clarify their positions before we take this discussion forward. The closer, wikipedia mod (User:Robert McClenon) is neutral and the only thing his involvement means is that he didn't think that the content was against wikipedia standards which is what you're implying in your first statement here (your words: "very badly written for an encyclopaedia").

As we wait for their opinion, perhaps you'd also like to elaborate on why exactly you think your edit is an improvement. SaibaK (talk) 17:25, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

“earlier version in list form is very badly written for an encyclopaedia” is what I have stated. Big difference.

Writing in prose form adds more context for the WP:AUDIENCE on why reception from international filmmakers is important for this particular film—

RRR received widespread appreciation from international filmmakers and actors, particularly Hollywood. RRR is identified as a crossover film from India to the USA, and has been compared to the likes of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (2000).

The above statement helps the audience understand why the film’s international recognition is noteworthy. Directly listing the statements of filmmakers does not add give any value to the reader, and in fact sounds more like WP:PUFFERY. — Ab207 (talk) 17:37, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

While I do agree that the fact that the film makers made statements should be included, I don't agree that it should be included as a separate subsection or that every single one should be included, as I don't believe that there's enough material to avoid undue weight, nor is it necessary to quote most (or any) of them (also note that the "international" film makers are almost all American/Hollywood). So something like this:

RRR has also been well–received by acclaimed film directors including Steven Spielberg and James Cameron. Edgar Wright said that the movie "an absolute blast" and was "The only film I have ever seen where the intermission card itself got a round of applause." These sentiments were echoed by James Gunn, Joe Dante, and others.

This is obviously very quickly done, but hopefully this helps. Ships & Space_(Edits) 17:39, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

That sounds much better, thank you for your input! -- Ab207 (talk) 17:41, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Ships&Space, there are plenty of other filmmakers which were not included because of the detailed attempts by certain users to not include any of these.

For example there are major japanese filmmakers who've said similar things and not just American ones.

Would you like me to expand this section? What amount of material according to you will be a good source for this? 20 names? 30 names?

No other Indian movie can claim anything similar to this, right? SaibaK (talk) 17:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm not really that knowledgable about the film scene in general, so I don't really know who counts as "notable enough" to include; I've heard of Spielberg, Gunn, and the Russo Brothers, but no idea of who McCay or Dante are.

You can absolutely expand it if you want; use your own judgement for the number of names (I'd say that anything more than ten is excessive).

As for No other Indian movie can claim anything similar to this, there are plenty of non-Hollywood/American films that have achieved this. Ships & Space_(Edits) 18:04, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for sharing more detailed thoughts. It provides a basis for a more rational and amicable conversation. Highly appreciated!

May I broadly divide your reply in two points- about uniqueness and about the other directors that you are less familiar with:

a) Uniqueness:

You correctly mention that "there are plenty of non-Hollywood/American films that have achieved this"

Non-Hollywood/American films: yes.

Indian film: None besides RRR.

Thus, it becomes a unique feat in the Indian movie industry that caters to 1.4 billion people and stands unique in that achievement in India and thus acquire notability. If you can think of a single Indian production that has matched this feat then kindly share.

It's precisely because of this uniqueness that this section has been so heavily attacked by some people (one user Jayanthkumar123 even got banned from this page because he just kept deleting this information)

b) Notability:

You mentioned that you're not fully familiar with who's "notable enough".

May I humbly suggest that that's why this section becomes so important. All these names are pretty significant filmmakers and for any cinephile this is a highlight of an information which shouldn't be removed or abbreviated.

Here's a brief introduction for them (am including those you already know for the benefit of third parties reading this):

1. Spielberg: Widely regarded as the most commercially successful director in the history. Seven of his films have been included in National film registry by the Library of Congress, USA.
2. James Cameron: Director of Avatar, Titanic, Terminator 1 and 2. His movie Titanic won 11 Oscar awards setting a record.
3. JJ Abrams: Director of two Star Wars movie. One Star Trek movie. And many other action and sci-fi movies.
4. Edgar Wright : This is a British director and not an American one. Particularly notable because the film talks about Britain's dark past and yet here is a British director celebrating it. He's the maker of Shaun of the dead, Baby Driver and was the person who conceptualized the Ant Man movie.
5. Christopher Miller: One of the most creative modern voices. He has co-directed "Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse" movies
6. Adam McKay: Made widely celebrated movies such as "The Big Short" which was about the financial crisis in 2007 and Leonardo DiCaprio's "Don't Look Up" which is about climate crisis.
7. James Gunn: Head of Warner Brother's DC movie-verse. Earlier directed the celebrated series of Guardians of the Galaxy.
8. Russo Brothers: Best known for Marvel movies' The Infinity War featuring the Avengers. It remains among the highest grossing movie in the world till date.
9. Scott Derrickson: Best known for directing Doctor Strange
10. Joe Dante: The classic director and a frequent collaborator of Steven Spielberg, Dante is best known for directing the classic movie, The Gremlins.
11. Jason Blum: He's the founder of Blumhouse productions which has made Get Out (multiple awards and acknowledgment including Oscar and National Board Review list), Paranormal Activity and many other famous movies.
12. Daniel Kwan: Director of "Everything everywhere all at once" which was a direct competitor of RRR in the oscars race and which won 7 oscar awards.

The interesting thing is that this is not an exhaustive list. Given that this is a unique achievement by an Indian movie which normally is widely ignored by the worldwide filmmakers, this is an unparalleled breakthrough (which eventually resulted in making RRR the first Indian production to gaining an Oscar in 95 years of its existence and 75 years of the country's existence.) Thus, within the category this is an accomplishment unachieved by any of its peers and needs higher emphasis compared to critical reception which almost any movie receives and is thus not as notable. SaibaK (talk) 18:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Everything you've explained is better conveyed in prose and by giving context, using commentary from reliable sources about why RRR is such big phenomenon. You can perhaps give 4-5 examples like Spielberg and Cameron but not more than that. Blindly listing 20-30 names and their comments makes the read boring and uninteresting. -- Ab207 (talk) 20:05, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

For @Ab207: Information becomes boring and uninteresting when it's a common pattern. Are these names common or random? Any other Indian movie which can have these many names of international filmmakers praising it and publications like Variety, TimesOfIndia, HindustanTimes etc. writing detailed articles about each and everyone of them?

If so, then please provide a name of any other comparable Indian movie production. SaibaK (talk) 20:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, it's interesting to note that @Ab207's stated objective has changed. Rather than trying to convert the information to prose, he's now arguing about deleting information. Which seems to be his real objective.

I may be mistaken and his intentions might be genuine, if so I'll look forward to @Ab207's explanation about how this kind of international acclaim is common for Indian productions and how many/any other Indian movie has achieved this. SaibaK (talk) 20:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Well, I don't have to provide anything. Just because RRR happens to be the only Indian film that got attention doesn't mean we write every comment ever made on the film by notable filmmakers. The article should keep it simple and precise to get the point across. Alternatively, you are free to split the section into a new article on this subject, to write everything which you feel is important.

My only intention here is to improve the article. I'm not fixated whether to add or delete the information. Ab207 (talk) 20:31, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

If you're not fixated on adding or deleting information, then we can easily come to an agreement: the only change your edit really brought in was an extra paragraph , this:

"RRR received widespread appreciation from international filmmakers and actors, particularly Hollywood. RRR is identified a crossover film from India to the USA, and has been compared to the likes of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (2000)."

If you want to include that as the beginning para of the section for context and leave the rest as-is then I think we've an agreement. Do we? SaibaK (talk) 20:40, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh dear @SaibaK. We are not in middle of business deal to make an agreement. Yes, I'd like to add some context for the readers. But also, I also don't see any merit on why the list should be fixed as writing on stone. Like @Ships&Space pointed out, some of the comments can be easily merged for brevity. We can work together on that part as well. But if you call any edit on the section as "attack", it doesn't give me much confidence. -- Ab207 (talk) 20:56, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is community edited, which means discussions and coordination are the key instruments unlike one-sided subjective judgments which you seem to prefer.

You've also changed your stated objective to deleting the information.

In stead, we should see why the article is so long and even a quick glance shows there is too much bloat elsewhere, like in the Box office section. I've added a proposal to correct the box office section (which is 820+ words right now for reporting simple box office earnings!) and has incorrect information presented there.

If readability is the main criteria, I think other sections need much more work and am happy to contribute to that correction rather than directly messing with an RFC approved section. SaibaK (talk) 21:05, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

You can start contributing by focusing on the content, and not the contributor. — Ab207 (talk) 16:13, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. Maybe someday I'll focus on other sections, but for now let's bring this discussion to a conclusion: regarding the content of this section, mod/admin @Robert McClenon has kindly clarified his position below. They have also kindly offered mediation so if you feel inclined for further discussion for this section then that may be the best route for you. Regards. SaibaK (talk) 17:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Ab207, after more consideration, I have come to agreement about that the main focus of the RFC has been content.

And even though the RFC form has received more community scrutiny, I now think it's ok to change the form which perhaps allows for a greater context to be added there. As long as the RFC agreed content is not changed in the base information, i.e., the mentions of the filmmakers is not fundamentally removed, perhaps it's best to allow changes to see how the community might add greater context to it.

Thanks for the discussion. I've now restored the edits made by you. SaibaK (talk) 04:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

User:Ab207 - User:SaibaK is right when they say that I am neutral. I closed the RFC because I was uninvolved, having only mediated a previous stage of the dispute and developed the RFC. I found that there was consensus to include a section on reception by international filmmakers. As noted, that also did mean that I saw nothing against Wikipedia policy in including the section. I am willing to conduct another round of moderated discussion to try to mediate this content dispute. Because I am willing to conduct moderated discussion, I do not intend to offer an opinion on the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Though I was tagged above, above above, I have no interest in reading these walls of text. The info belongs. Nobody in the RFC said anything bearing about the presentation of the section. Having said that, the presentation is terrible. Turn it to prose. The list formatting reads horribly and almost like blatant advertising. If that's not been concluded by the walls of text above, well.... not much more to do. Hah, have a nice day everyone. BarntToust 19:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

In short: The list format needs to be gone. This now looks like a section of intertitles in a post-release movie advertisement touting critical reviews to promote the film. BarntToust 19:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @BarntToust. Thanks for your views. You're replying to a message by a mod @Robert McClenon who has kindly volunteered to conduct a moderated discussion. Perhaps you'd like to participate in that to facilitate a fruitful discussion for the improvement of the article? SaibaK (talk) 20:04, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for recognizing that your first message came off a little bit too, uh, well, it's gone now, that's all that matters. When that gets going, I'll probably jump in, eh? I'm tweaking a few other articles right now in a way in which things are like to actually get done, unlike this whole thing here about the section of international filmmakers. See ya later, all! BarntToust 20:08, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah. While a difference of opinion is inevitable among volunteer editors in wikipedia, I did feel compelled to modify my first message. If a moderated discussion takes place then will be nice to have you there at that time. Regards. SaibaK (talk) 20:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)