Talk:Sylar/Archive 1

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Sylar's Powers

I don't believe that Sylar's powers are linked to cold control, but rather a highly developed mastery of Telekinesis. Which would explain his ability to freeze living tissue, lift people and impale them with sharp implements, control the movements of the FBI agent, and escape from Matt. We should be wary of listing his powers willy-nilly, due to POV, and instead agree that so far the powers he's exhibited could all fall under TK. --DJ Chair 05:19, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think telekinesis can explain his apparent rapid healing after being shot. He clearly recoils from being hit and lays still for several seconds -- indicating that he did not, for example, telekinetically deflect the bullets -- and then stands up, with the accompanying sound of bullets hitting the ground. This seems very similar to Claire's healing factor, though whether that is the truth or a POV trick, we probably won't know for a while yet.64.123.189.114

Seems to me that he's killing other would-be heroes and eating their brains to gain their powers. More speculation, yeah, but it would explain the wide variety of powers. Speaking of which, it looks like he has some means of psychically locating people (which would explain how he was able to locate the safe room), a healing factor, flight/levitation of some sort, and telekinesis. He probably can't freeze people or turn invisible (another possibility given how he escaped) as 1) He would have just frozen Matt Parkman, the FBI agent, and the girl and 2) If invisible, he'd have just strangled them. -- Too lazy to registier, 9:57AM, 11 Oct (PDT)

I agree that it seems Sylar has some form of Telekinesis or molecular control. He manages to use ordinary objects to impale people, freezes people by slowing down molecules, stops bullets by pushing them aside with his mind, and manages to escape quickly probably through moving his own body with his mind (self levitation through telekinesis). Should we post something on his powers in the article or wait until more information comes in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.125.176 (talk • contribs) 17 October 2006

His ability to freeze people might have nothing to do with telekinesis but just be an extra ability that he has. Keep in mind that the people weren't merely frozen but also covered in ice (if I recall correctly). This would suggest that it wasn't merely their bodies that was frozen but water from an external source, most likely the water in the air, similar to the Iceman character from X-Men. So perhaps he sprayed ice upon his victims? I don't know if water molecules in the air, when slowed down, would crystalize in large chunks around objects or not, but my guess is that it wouldn't. He also seemed to survive multiple gunshots, which could suggest he has healing factor, or that he just wasn't shot fatally. He also flew (which could be an aspect of his telekinesis.) It may turn out he has multiple, unrelated powers. Although if one wanted to, they could attribute many super powers to telekinesis. So far, all of the powers displayed by any character could be attributed merely to advanced mental ability. --67.23.10.201 04:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The man in the baseball cap clearly has telekinesis, based on what we saw in "Seven Minutes to Midnight". I think he used telekinesis to stop the bullet Matt fired at him, based on the fact that we heard the bullets fall to the ground afterwards. I also think he used telekinesis to have Audrey point the gun at herself. I'm not sure if these qualify as conclusions suffienctly sound to add to the article or whether they are still in the realm of speculation. However, we certainly don't know for sure that the man in the baseball cap is Sylar; we just know that he had contact with Sylar's targets. We also don't know for certain that it was Sylar who froze the murder victims, or how they were frozen. Primogen 20:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

He abosorbs powers that is why he eats there brain and that is why the cheerleader needed to be saved or he would have the ultimate healing power and never die.

We do not know if he absorbs powers of the people he eats. He could simply eat to feed his hunger, not to "consume" the powers of others. Do not make assumptions without a basis for fact. Stexe 11:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

In the Homecoming episode, it shows him tossing Claire across the room and into a wall and easily lifting Jackie up against the lockers. Should we perhaps specify that he can telekinetically enhance his strength? Briham 13:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

The full extent of Sylar's powers and how they operate are not yet known. It is speculation to say that he can telekinetically enhance his strength. Primogen 14:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

look who was right —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.61.76.75 (talk • contribs) 21:20, November 27, 2006 (UTC)

I don't know who was, but it certainly doesn't look like it was you, since I don't see 68.61.76.75 anywhere else on this page. (If you signed your posts, then you'd actually have ammunition to gloat when your guesses turn out to have been lucky.) --Psiphiorg 05:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

All we know at this point is that Sylar somehow acquired telekinesis after killing Brian Davis, but we don't know the mechanism by which he acquired it. We don't know if Sylar ate his brain, absorbed his powers (sort of like how Peter mimics powers, but permamently), performed brain surgery on himself so that his brain was similar to Davis's or what. Primogen 23:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Bulletproof?

I don't thin Sylar is bulletproof. If you watch the scene where Matt seems to unload his clip on Sylar, it is obvious that he is struck as least once and knocked off balance. If you turn your volume up loud enough, when Sylar gets up you'll hear the bullets fall to the ground and bounce. That makes me think that perhaps he was wearing a Kevlar jacket beneath his clothing. --DJ Chair 05:19, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Assuming Sylar is telekinetic, assuming that telekinesis means using your mind to move matter, and resorting to the old physics routine of "Matter equals Energy" in much the same way that Space and Time are one, then theoretically, Telekinesis can be used to shift energy as well as matter. He needsn't have "cold manipulation" powers to freeze people, simply shift the thermal energy away from their bodies. He needn't be invincible or even have a bulletproof vest on to stop bullets telekinetically. He needn't have the power of flight or levitation to use telekinesis to move himself up. Presuming that telekinesis can shift energy as well as matter, then technically Sylar could make himself invisible by telekinetically averting photons from his general area, or something similar. -- Rihk 21:28, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed on both counts, DJ, except I really think it'd be better to cover our bases and keep the freezing out of the range of any psycho powers. Let's say...telekinesis, possible cold manipulation and occasionally equipped with a bulletproof vest. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 06:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, but if I'm right, you all owe me a dollar! --DJ Chair 12:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Please wait until the character's power(s) have been fully revealed on the program. Otherwise, it is simply original research, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. --Madchester 16:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

If you think about it in a different point of view, telekinesis is the whole movement of matter/energy, through the usage of your mind, and nearly all -kinesis powers are the movement of something; if a person's telekinesis is to a high-enough extent, you could make it seem like you have aero/cryo/pyro/magneto/terra/electro/chloro/hydrokinesis and chronokinesis by slowing/speeding matter down/up to the extent that you can stop-time or have super-speed. So most supernatural persons in stories are really telekinetics who are only able to use their powers in a specific way. Though this does put Slyar at a near-omnipotency, which is pretty bad for our Heroes. Therequiembellishere 03:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

As I mentioned above, the design of the shot was clearly made to indicate to the audience that Sylar had Healing Factor and Flight in addition to Telekinesis, though that could all just be directorial misdirection. Also, I'd argue that, regardless of mechanics, a person with the power to freeze a human solid should be considered to have cryokinesis/cold-control. Telekinesis, as generally understood, does not include siphoning heat energy away from a target, and as Sylar apparently uses that technique a lot, it's worth being called out specifically. 64.123.189.114

The man in the baseball cap clearly has telekensis, based on what we saw in "Seven Minutes to Midnight". I assumed he used telekinses to stop the bullet Matt fired at him, but that is purely speculation. I saw the episode twice and saw no indication that the man in the baseball cap could fly. We don't even know for sure that the man in the baseball cap is Sylar; we just know that he had contact with Sylar's targets. We also don't know for certain that it was Sylar who froze the murder victims, or how they were frozen. Primogen 19:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

He fell back after the bullet made an impact. He arose—albeit telekinetically—and the bullet it fell out. Bulletproof vest! Why does every explanation need some sort of power behind it? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Occam's Razor? If someone had "Telekinesis", it's logical that they wouldn't wear a bulletproof vest, they would stop bullets with the power of their mind. and to User:64.123.189.114, see my explanation of Telekinesis above, the topic has been a great interest of mine for years. Rihk 23:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

You're assuming based on the maximum purported possibilities. Who's to say Sylar's confident enough not to do some aas simple as wear a vest? Let alone adept enough to do as you claim. Plus, I'd say I know a thing or two as well. Were it a shield, the bullet would have not made much/any impact, let alone make him fall back; it would have bounced off—ala Supes—or something. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

From what I've read in the bulletproof vest article, much of what happened in the scene could be explained by a bulletproof vest: the bullets would become embedded in the vest, but their force might well have knocked down the wearer. But would the bullets simply fall out of the vest when he got up? I would think that a vest would have kept the bullets embedded, but I have no expertise in this. Primogen 18:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

it's completely obvious to me that everything Sylar has done so far was TK. bullets stopping, audrey's arm forced up to point the gun at her head, lifting himself up, drawing the coffee cup to him... and yes, even the freezing of his victims. presuming telekinetic powers, there would have to be some sort of kinetic energy consumed or drawn upon, even if so obtuse as static electricity. taking that kinetic energy as a given, a small step forward in thought is to connect it to thermal energy. through kinetic energy, work is done. when work is done, heat is found. kinetic and thermal energies are closely bound. of course, this is science fiction, and the writers can do whatever they want. if they want him to wear a bulletproof vest, i will not argue. Rihk 01:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

If he stopped the bullets with TK, why did he fall over? If he had a healing factor, why would he want Claire's? I can't think of any other explanation than a bulletproof vest. As to why the bullets fell out, he could have pulled them out telekinetically. And as for why he would wear a bulletproof vest, compare his powers with those of DL - Sylar COULD have stopped the bullets with telekinesis IF he'd known they were coming, but the implication of the scene seemed to be that Matt took him by surprise. So if Sylar (like DL) was aware of this weakness, then it would make perfect sense for him to wear a vest. However, this is all speculation. Any explanation given for how he survived the bullets must be flagged up as only a possibility. Branfish 07:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Removed Part of His Brain?

I'm removing this part:

"Sylar presumably removed a piece of Davis's brain and implanted it into his own"

This may well be how Sylar absorbed his powers, but there is no evidence that it was, as far as I can tell. It's complete speculation at this point.

Correct. No episode has yet to definitively answer what Sylar does with these brains, or exactly how he acquired Davis' telekinetic ability. We don't even know if he's acquired powers beyond telekinesis. By the way, remember to sign your posts and put new topics as the bottom of the talk page. Primogen 17:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

What's the deal Madchester?

As per, old edit of the article, Madchester removed the brief synopsis of Sylar stating it broke Original Research protocols... how does Sylar's apparent disappearance with Matt the police officer watching something moving upward at a great speed off-frame fall into Original Research? It occurred in the episode, we just didn't actually see Sylar move upward.

Furthermore, he was shot a whole bunch of times, and yet got up and appeared unscathed... how does him being marked as invulnerable get categorized as original research when the scene shows him get up unscathed? --DJ Chair 18:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

It is speculation that that Sylar is invincible. There are other possibilites. Syler might instead have healing factor, force fields, or some other power that minimized the impact or effect of the bullet. Or he might just be wearing a bulletproof vest. In addition, he might be vulnerable to things other than bullets. Primogen 20:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Telekinesis perfectly explains his being unscathed after being shot at. Technically, Force Fields could be made with Telekinesis as well. Quite possibly even holding your own cells together under stress, (closing a cut from a knife, closing a bullethole) which might be explained as some sort of invulnerability or healing factor. Rihk 21:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

And I thought that it was some form of mind control and/or magnetic manipulation. That's three different hypotheses from three different editors. We should wait until the character's powers and details have been confirmed via the show or an interview with the writers and/or actors. Otherwise, we are simply speculating and providing original research, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. --Madchester 22:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

My big sister used to torment me by taking my wrists and forcing me to punch myself in the face, when I was a young child. as an adult, I could do this to other people who have less physical strength than I do. If I was able to move things with the power of my mind, I could do the same exact thing without using my hands. Rihk 01:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Your point being? Branfish 07:12, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

FBI Agent Molly?

Wasn't the blond that Sylar almost killed in the third episode a police captain, not an FBI agent? --dws90 00:22, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

She invited Matt Parkman to work for/with the FBI. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 00:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

To expound a bit, she and her partner was called in to find the missing child from the murder scene, because due to the crime the missing child was considered kidnapped, which is a federal offense. Furthermore, it's likely that once the description of the dead was passed on to the feds, they were on it like gangbusters because of the serial killer... also a federal offense (multiple states and all.) --DJ Chair 13:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

The mysterious man

So Cylar isn't the black guy in the bar? I thought they were one in the same. --67.183.132.49 17:02, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

It appears that Sylar is in fact white, as seen in episode 2. --DJ Chair 17:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

It isn't known that the guy trying to take the girl was, in fact, Sylar. We don't know that it's the same guy that froze the cop/security guard. All we know is that it was some guy trying to take the girl. I'm editing the article to remove the speculation that we know this was Sylar. Elliskev 21:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

The characters believe him to be, specifically Audrey, who might actually know more than we do. Also, your attempt to "help" was fairly sloppy and removed a lot of content we can't say for sure doesn't belong. I've reverted. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Be careful with your characterizations of edits by others. That was a borderline personal attack. At the very least, it was incivil and a failure to assume good faith.

Regarding my edit and your reason for reverting, we "know" what is shown. The character Audrey is a fictional entity that doesn't "know" anything that would be relevant to an encyclopedia. It hasn't been shown that the shadowy guy is Sylar. To assume that would be speculative.

I'm not going to revert your reversion of my edit, but not because I agree with you. I'll leave it for others to decide. I'll be happy to accept whatever is done. I hope you can do the same.

Happy editing! Elliskev 12:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

If you want to start an argument or make accusations about me, this is not the place. And, please don't say "Happy editting!" afterward. It makes others question your sanity. Now, whether or not the information displayed is appropriate, I merely explained my position and why I reverted your edit. Please do not take offense to contructive comments about your edits, they will be made by others than me, I'm sure, and are well within the bounds of Wikipedia's policies, if phrased properly. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if I came across as argumentative. That was not my intent. My intent was a simple request to keep your comments limited to the concern I raised.

Characterizing my edit as a sloppy attempt to "help" is not constructive and does little to address my concern that the material that I removed is really not verifiable. As it is now, it's unencyclopedic speculation of "truth" as defined by a fictional character's fictional belief.

BTW, I will continue to include niceties. They're nice.

Have a great day! Elliskev 20:03, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, we know now. Branfish 07:17, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Sylar's Age and Full Name

I included Sylar's age into the bio and used this image of a screen captured birth announcement from NBC.com that cites that a Paul E. Sylar was born on June 11, 1962. If anyone feels this is merely speculative and not sufficent evidence needed to cite Sylar's age and full name then feel free to revert my edit.TJ 19:38, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

It is a little specy, but eh. I'm going to move the "Paul E." to his formal name since he's largely known by his last name and it is still ambiguous. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it is speculative. Who knows why he has that announcement or who it's really about. We've certainly never heard anyone call him Paul, and we also know he's not exactly "on the level" as a person. I'd vote for removing it as "official" information, but worth keeping in somewhere. Ollie 19:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree; Sylar is a surname, and for all we know, Paul E. Sylar is the (presumed) murderer's father. 68.94.17.87

This threw us all for a loop. So is Sylar the man who made the watch Gabriel Gray was fixing? we don't know. Rihk 02:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I suspect the Paul E. Sylar in the clipping is a watchmaker, yes, but obviously that's just a presumption. 66.142.170.224

It's also possible that the photo itself is just a planted red herring for folks like us who will comb every website looking for possible clues about a show that thrives on mysteries in its storytelling.--MythicFox 01:55, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

The Actor

What is the point of not identifying in the article who plays Sylar? Good job, Wikipedians, for not being concise. NorthernThunder 02:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Instead insulting the community at large, you could just add the information yourself. Wikipedia is edittable, you know. Oh wait...you don't know, do you? The actor, I mean. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 03:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

IMDB credits Sean Bean with the role of "Paul Sylar" on the show. This would be consistent with the "Paul E. Sylar" birth announcement. Granted we haven't yet confirmed that Paul Sylar is the Sylar, but I'm willing to take that bet. -Anþony 09:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not. Wanna bet Aunt May is Carnage, instead? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:40, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

It isn't speculation to say that Sean Bean will play Paul Sylar. I'm going to try a compromise. And why are you so quick to break out the cutting sarcasm? As was pointed out to you earlier, you'll catch more flies with honey. -Anþony 23:51, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

IMDb is less credible than the grapevine. Someone could easily have seen the same information as us and added an actor to the name. Also, I find the very assertion if Sean Bean's involvement, particularly dubious. Until you can find a valid source, cease. And don't try to make this personal by bringing up unrelated issues. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:06, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Civility is very relevant. Unfortunately, according to several entries on your talk page, you have no need for it. I won't bother you about it again.

There's an anonymous email out[1] that denies that "Sylar" will be played by Sean Bean. I'll let it go with that. -Anþony 00:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing to let go. The casting assertions are wrong and always were. I'm sorry it took all this for you to realize it, and I'm especially saddened by your faith in dubious sources. Finally. once again, address content, no users. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Hindsight is 20/20, of course. I was ignorant of IMDb's status as a questionable source on Wikipedia, and if that saddens you, I apologize. I'm not aware of any policy forbidding users from commenting on the behavior of other users. In fact, WP:CIVIL directs us to "[voice] displeasure each time rudeness or incivility happens," which is what I believe I have done. -Anþony 05:26, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

My "cutting sarcasm" served the purpose of pointing out a factor you hadn't seemed to notice. The point was to avoid a dispute fueled by your misguided belief in IMDb. Sadly, it seemed in vain. I guess I'll just have to be more direct next time. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

If you would like to avoid conflicts in the future, I would suggest language such as the following. It is specific, informative, and polite. "Wanna bet Aunt May is Carnage, instead?" is none of those things.

"Thank you for your contribution, Anþony. Unfortunately, IMDb is not normally considered to be a reliable source here on Wikipedia, since anyone can submit false information to IMDb. I have reverted your edit for now. If you can find independent corroboration from a reliable source, please include it." -Anþony 22:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Then I'd just be ripping you off. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

No worries. I would be quite pleased if you employed that sort of language from now on, adapted to the situation of course. -Anþony 23:54, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Sean Bean is not Sylar: http://www.compleatseanbean.com/rumour-heroes.html -[[User:Ender|Ender]

Just saw the new episode. Zachary Quinto is definetly playing Sylar.--65.9.189.21 02:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I saw the episode, too! --jeolmeun 03:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Greek Myth and Possible Origin for Sylar's name?

This is somewhat speculative and maybe not the sort of thing that should go into the page, but it strikes me that the name "Sylar" might be derived from "Scylla", the Greek Myth character that started as beautiful water nymph and later was transformed into a hideous ship-devouring monster with six heads with three rows each of sharp teeth. Kinda akin to a supposedly normal man acquiring "uncontrollable hunger" after having his powers awakened? Renenarciso 19:58, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Speculative comparison, akin to the ones made between Niki and dopplogangers, The Hulk, etc. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:02, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Something Sprague

I'm only a casual watcher, but I remember his identity being revealed last night. I think. Apparently he had radioactive powers. 24.186.192.247 16:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, that turned out to be a guy with radioactive powers that simply lost control, and was not Sylar. None of Sylar's victims were radioactive and burned to a crisp, and the guy admitted to it being an accident. 70.49.249.220 17:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see, when the detective said it was Sylar's 9th victim I got confused. Thanks 24.186.192.247 22:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Right, they're going to have to be careful from now on not to automatically assume that any bizarre (read: superpowered) crime must be Sylar. 64.123.189.114

I thought it was obviously false, since all of Sylar's victims were frozen and had brains removed... FBI's hiring standards must have gone south in the few years since Scully and Mulder, lol. Rihk 00:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I feel I ought to point out that not ALL of Sylar's victims had their brains removed - the woman pinned to the bannister with knives didn't. Neither (as far as we know) did Chandra Suresh. Branfish 07:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

multiple powers

Sylar apparently has much more advanced powers than the rest of the heroes, perhaps he has multiple abilities because of this.

See Sylar's Powers discussion, above. Primogen 19:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Man in baseball cap

Even though everyone (including me) thinks that the man in the baseball cap is Sylar, is there any evidence that they are the same character? I think that everyone is just assuming he is, because he attempted to kidnap Molly, whose parents Sylar had killed, and because he was in the diner just before Charlie was killed by the same manner in which Sylar's victims were killed. Am I overlooking something that proves Baseball Cap is Sylar? Primogen 21:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Besides same dark shadowing to make him seem evil, telekinesis, exact same clothing, same method of execution, same watch as guy who kills Mohinder's (sp?) father in taxicab? – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

What is your reference for Sylar having telekinesis? Have we ever seen a character that has been identified as Sylar? How do we know Sylar and the Man in the Baseball Cap wear the same cloethes.? How do we know that the person who killed Mohinder's father is Sylar? Primogen 02:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

One, since when is a single identifiable character ever anyone but who they look like? I suupose you want to argue the guy attacking Clarie in the previews isn't the same guy? Two, he pulls the cup to himself without touching it, so it's telekinesis. The killer Sylar killed his victims seemingly using this power. Three, same motive. This baseball cap guy decapitated that waitress in the same manner as all the other victims. Even Hiro notes that. I can't believe you argued for Micah's technopathy yet are against this obvious situation. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

One, I haven't seen the previews of Claire being attacked. Is she attacked by the man in the baseball hat? If so, is he also identified as being Sylar? (I know that Bennet has said that Claire will be killed by Sylar, but he might be wrong or events could change).

Two, what evidence is there that Sylar killed his victims using telekinesis? He removed their brains and one had their body frozen. Am I overlooking something?

Three, we didn't see who killed the waitress. As I remember the scene, there was just a close-up of her as blood began dripping from her head. Or did I miss something?

Basically, what I'm trying to find out, was there ever a scene in which we actually saw Man in Baseball Hat kill someone in the same manner as Sylar, or has the Man in the Baseball hat ever been identified with Sylar. I have no doubt that Baseball Hat guy is Syler, but that is purely deduction on my part. I wanted to know if there was anything factual that I missed.

As for the Technopathy thing, I was merely applying a term whose definition matched the observed situation. Primogen 20:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, the NBC official title for this is "HRS_SylarGymFlr_clr.jpg" "Heroes: Sylar, gym, fl(ye—?—)r, Claire. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, that's exactly the type of evidence I was looking for. I don't remember seeing that before in the show -- I sometimes miss a minute here and a minute there. Did Peter paint in Claire in that picture? Was Sylar's name mentioned in connection with the picture? Primogen 21:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, wait, I just read in this article that Peter completed this picture by drawing the body of a mutilated cheerleader. Was that painting among the ones that Eden brought with Isaac? Was that what caused Bennet to say that Sylar will kill Claire tomorrow? If so, then that's the proof I'm looking for. Primogen 21:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

sylar will be revealed next episode.

and we will finally get a clear picture of his face. but i also think that we should keep the older picture for the article. so, when adding a new picture, please keep the old one. thanks. dposse 03:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, all we know is that he appeared in the preview for the episode "Six Months Ago". At the WAY end. I read here that he is somewhat a "nerdy" man, with glasses. - Preview--Addict 2006 02:40, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, so maybe I'm not sure about who the nerdy-looking office worker is. We'll just have to wait until Monday! --Addict 2006 05:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

All i'm asking is that we keep the "shrouded in darkness" picture so we can show what we saw of him from the beginning of Heroes. dposse 19:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

The article is long enough to support several images of Sylar, so long as it is not violating copyright or fair use. Primogen 19:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok. I just wanted people to be aware of it. dposse 21:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

text error / spam?

When I load the Sylar article, the following text appears in the "powers" section:

Sylar's most prominent and only confirmed ability is telekinesis, which he first demonstrates in "One Giant Leap" by nearly forcing Audrey Hansen to shoot herself.

When I edit the section, the text (in bold above) does not appear, nor is editable, is this an editing artifact by some malicious person, a wiki error, or something entirely different (note, I have done the requistite due-dilligence to ensure this is not an error on my own machine) ---boston-birdman 11/27/2006 1430EST

It's possible that there was some delay in the database updating. I checked the page history and there was an edit at 12:18 EST which introduced this vandalism. The next edit, at 12:59 EST, removed it. Thanks for bringing it up, though - I have noticed that occasionally edits seem to take a few minutes to "register" - I'll make a change, save it, and the page will reload unchanged. It then takes a few forced refreshes to clear things up. --Ckatz^chat_spy 20:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

a power to see the broken?

It seems that Sylar can see what's broken in something and be able to repair it. However, this goes further. He can also gain the abilites of another by killing them. At least, that's what i saw. What do you think? dposse 03:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

he mighta taken out the brain of the poor man and put it in his own @.@ that's the gross theory I thought..I'm not sure...I think we'll find out more next week, thoughs O.O so sad! >< so gross! SnuggleBunny 03:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

He actually "looked inside" the man and saw that he was "broken", like a watch, then killed him. Later, he gained his ability to move things with his mind. dposse 03:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Presumably, he saw what was broken or unnormal in Brian Davis' brain, took it apart to see how it worked, and then most likely cut into his own brain to "repair" his the same way. I am speculating on this. It could be the reason he wears a ball cap everytime we see him in the present. again, until it is stated elsewhere, it is just speculation. it explains a lot, though. Rihk 02:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Of course, this is all from Sylar's comments in the show. If a person has a beneficial mutation, is "broken" the right word to use? I'd characterize Sylar's power as the ability to sense how something or someone differs from the norm or the standard. Sylar sees things from the POV of a watchmaker, and watches that are different from the norm are usually "broken." Applejuicefool 15:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I thought his "broken" comment was a reference to the man's refusal to accept the power. Sylar seemed to consider the guy a kindred spirit until he revealed that he didnt' WANT to be special, and only then did Sylar suddenly say, "you're broken". I think the mutation isn't what's broken, but (in Sylar's mind) the man's attitude. Fixing the problem means taking away the power and giving it to somebody who really wants it. 66.142.170.224

Where did the powers section of Sylar go? A list of his known powers would be useful. Delfedd 3:29 28 November 2006 (UTC)

It was probably removed as being speculation. The only confirmed power he currently has is telekenisis. It's not clear yet (at least to me) what this "power to see the broken" thing is. Primogen 17:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

It looks like advanced pattern recognition to me. He's able to sense patterns and comprehend them almost instantly. 66.142.170.224

Using the list of comic book superpowers as a guide, there are three ones none of which are entirely accurate. Psychometry specifically deals with past and/or future condition and Sylar can see the current condition. Other possibilities are specialized forms of Enhanced Senses or ESP - he could tell that Chandra's watch was broken when Chandra was still a few feet away from him. It's too soon to make an accurate judgement, though. Stabbey 17:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

We know that his power to see broken things includes mechanical things like watches, but I don't think it applies to people -- at least, we haven't seen evidence of it. When he said that Brian Davis was "broken", I took that to mean that he didn't appreciate having telekinesis, not that there was anything really about him that was broken. Sylar also obviously can't detect who has superpowers and who doesn't, otherwise he wouldn't have mistaken Jackie for having superpowers. Primogen 23:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The context of the "you're broken" quote implies that he somehow saw the difference in Davis. I don't know if there will be a more explicit look, although I hope so. He absorbs their powers somehow, he takes their brain for some reason. It seems though he has some ability to detect the state of things he concentrates on, although I can't put a name to it. I don't see why it should be assumed that he can't do it to biological things like brains. I agree that he doesn't seem to automatially detect supers at range, although the series has played this inconsistently. He didn't find Molly in a wood-panelled room, but he did somehow find her in the basement of the FBI. Why did he go for Jackie and not Claire? He's certainly an arrogant man, maybe after seeing the article, he didn't bother to check. Stabbey 23:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Why would he consider someone who has superpowers to be "broken", when he so desires having those powers himself? If Sylar can absorb powers, then why does he take the brain? There are too many questions at this point to draw conclusions about what Sylar's powers are. Primogen 23:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I kinda agree. Too many questions. It's also possible that Brian Davis had a similar problem as Charlie or Mohinder's sister, some brain disease caused by the mutation, so that is what Sylar means by "being broken"? The only thing I am sure is that he has some power to analyze how complex systems work. Renenarciso 23:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Watch the episode again!! Sylar looked inside Brians brain and said "you're broken. yes, i see the problem. i can fix it.." then hit him over the head and stole his powers. Sylars power is alot like Micahs and Peters. Anyway, i agree that it's too early to know anything for sure. dposse 15:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Gray or Grey

Grey or Gray? Both spellings appear throughout this article. Wengero 03:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The closed captioning spells it Gray and the window display at the begining of the episode says "Gray and Sons." AWarriorStill 02:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Gabriel Sylar

I think this article should be moved to Gabriel Sylar now that his first name is known. Or maybe something like Gabriel "Sylar" Grey, though I think the first one is better. What does everyone else think? --SSJ4 Aragorn 06:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy is to use the common form of all names. Sylar is the most commonly use form of his name thus far, and so therefore should be the title of the article. If everyone starts calling him Gabriel, then we can change it, but until then, it should stay here. A redirect from Gabriel Sylar to Sylar could be created, but I don't think that's necessary. --dws90 06:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

From the episode, it seemed that he renamed himself simply "Sylar" , not Gabriel Sylar. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 21:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

From the episode "6 months ago", it seems that he named himself "Sylar. Gabriel Sylar" when he introduced himself to Brian Davis. Rihk 02:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Of course, in "Fallout", he screams "My name is Sylar!" Rihk 04:40, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

his personality

We need an entire section to explain this nutjobs personality. He's extremely narcissistic, to the point that he believes that it's his right to be better than everyone else. dposse 13:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Influences

There was a section about "possible influences" from previous comics (e.g., "Watchmen") on the choice of Sylar's job as a watchmaker. I reverted this section -- not only was it purely speculation, and therefore a violation of Wikipedia:No Original Research, but I've read interviews with the show's creators that indicate they purposefully tried to avoid being influenced by existing comic. Just thought people should know, since I deleted two well-written paragraphs. Primogen 20:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Have you read The Legend of Nightfall (1993) by Mickey Zucker Reichert? I would almost say that is as much a possible influence as about anything else. In the book, which is fantasy, there are some people who are “gifted” with special abilities, of which Nightfall is one of them – he can make himself lighter or heavier. Others have the ability to heal, or to this or that. Similar to in Heroes. Also, the antagonist in the story is a sorcerer, and in the book sorcerers are beings who’s only original ability is to steal the abilities of people who are gifted. Eventually being able to have several gifts/abilities. Exactly like Sylar. Mefanch 22:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

This article should not be concerned with "possible" influences -- only actual influences matter. Unless there is a reliable source saying that Tim Kring and the other show creators were actually influenced by another work of fiction, then it shouldn't go in this article. There are plenty of fan forums elsewhere for speculating about possible influences and similarities. Primogen 22:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with that, which is why I did not add it. I was not arguing that it should be included, merely pointing out that there are lots of “possible” influences. I don’t think they should be added either, unless there is a source that can be sited. Mefanch 23:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Save the Cheerleader...

I think there's definitely been some credence lent to the "Sylar as a Power Mimic" theory by "Six Months Ago". It would explain pretty well why saving Claire would save the world. Claire is essentially invincible (she died and came back to life, for Christ's sake) and giving that kind of power to an obvious psychopath with already frightening telekinetic abilities would probably qualify as not good. 68.80.198.93 04:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe so, but theories are for fan sites and forums -- they don't belong on Wikipedia. Primogen 05:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Huh?

"Eventually, Sylar became a notorious serial killer, leading FBI agent Audrey Hansen to become obsessed with capturing him. Three months after taking on his serial killer persona, Sylar led Hanson on a chase through the streets of Chicago, following another one of his murders. Hanson chased him into the subways. He gave his cap and trench coat to an innocent elderly man, which caused the agent to mistake the man for Sylar. After shooting the man, she realized her mistake, and the unbearable guilt from her error intensified her drive to hunt him down"

Is this right? Which episode was this revealed in?--Hypergeometric2F1(a,b,c,x) 05:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

No kidding.. I removed it..EnsRedShirt 05:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe its from the Turning Point graphic novel, which details Audrey's hunt for Sylar. It just needs to be cited in the article. If no one else does it, I'll get to it. Primogen 05:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Argg stupid graphic novels.. feel free to revert my edit..EnsRedShirt 05:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The shadowy man

So, would it still be speculation to declaratively state that the shadowy, ball-capped man is in fact Gabriel "Sylar" Gray? Also, would it be speculation to state that the shadowy man definitely has some ability that allows him to vanish suddenly, be it invisibility, teleportation, flight, or 'other'? 66.142.170.224 05:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

IMO, it's no longer speculation to state the shadowy ball-capped man is Sylar, however I would say it is still speculation to say that he has an ability to suddenly vanish. The shadows could be for artistic affect/mystery or they could be a power he "inherited". And while he may be able to use telekinises to fling himself into the air to escape(which is what it looked like to me); it’s still impossible to say that is what happened as the whole thing happened too fast, and was barely glimpsed making it still speculation what happened exactly. Mefanch 06:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Bennet identified the shadowy man in Isaac's paints as being Sylar a couple of episodes ago. I also believe that in the previews of next week's episode, there is a clip of Gabriel "Sylar" Gray wearing the cap. However, it would be speculation to say that he has the ability to vanish suddenly. I think that the one time Sylar appeared to have vanished was when Matt cornered him, but the scene was shot in such a way that we couldn't tell how he escape. Primogen 06:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

er.. what Primogen said. He's fast on the send button ;) Mefanch 06:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Similar to what i've stated earlier on this talk page, and from what i understand of physics, Telekinesis allows for quite a range of abilities. About vanishing/invisibility/shrouding shadows/etcetera, light energy is closely related to matter. Mind over matter would imply mind over energy as well. Telekinetics would allow for the restructuring or bending of light waves or photons; to hide in the shadows, pass light waves through yourself or various and sundry other things. I'm not saying this is what he has done in the episodes (diverted light from his face , etcetera), but if the writers explain it this way, it would make sense. Rihk 01:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

No effects have been used, therefore we have no reason to believe that there is anything more than natural shadows involved in hiding Sylar's face. Surely that is why he wears the baseball cap. Branfish 07:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Power acquisition through DNA infusion

In "Fallout", Mr. Bennet tells Sylar that he thinks too many infusions of DNA into himself has made him insane. That sounds like Sylar does some Biological Manipulation or Evolution to himself after he uses his unspecified "see the broken" power to note the difference in their brains. Sylar's powers were somehow nullified in the room he was in. Does Mr. Bennet know what he's talking about? --Stabbey 14:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

His list of known powers should include Power recongnition and maybe evolution; because it is apprent that he can disconcern his envoirment and negotiate it ie how he escaped his cell in "Fallout". Also, why else would HRG use the term "infusion of DNA" so it is a fact that he can absorb DNA. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.175.194.67 (talk • contribs) 14:59, Dec 7, 2006 (UTC)

According to the comic, he didn't escape from his cell. --Kmsiever 22:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

There's no evidence that Sylar can recognize powers in any but the usual manner. When he attacked the cheerleaders, he didn't notice that Claire was powered and the other girl not; in the diner he sat near Hiro without noticing anything unusual. I don't think he has any special ability to sense or understand a power; he's just going down the list of probables that Dr. Suresh calculated mathematically.

Also, I'm not sure what to make of Bennet's claim that Sylar's powers wouldn't work in that room, given that in the same episode he telekinesed Eden right through the glass! Either Bennet was lying or mistaken, Sylar has some ability to bypass whatever barrier there was, or he found a weakness in the barrier (again, whatever it was, since it wasn't explained WHY he couldn't use his power in the cell). 66.142.175.202

There could be some device dampening or interfering with abilities in that cell. Eden would need to turn such a devcice off if she wanted to use her power. --Stabbey 19:35, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

The Haitian has shown that he has the ability to limit the use of telepathy. If he can also inhibit other abilities, then it could have been him that was preventing Sylar from using his abilities. Maybe the Haitian just wasn't around when Eden went in to see Sylar. After all, she did seem to be going in "unofficially". Branfish 07:36, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

This interview says that whatever was preventing Sylar from using his powers, it was "more complicated" then something to do with the Haitian. --Stabbey 15:14, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

This interview with the writers says that part of Sylar's method of absorbing the abilities of others is to alter his own DNA. --Stabbey 15:14, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Deaths

Someone did screen captures and transcriptione of the database of names found on Suresh's computer.[2] Should these be mentioned in this article? --Kmsiever 16:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

i believe that the only death we can attribute to sylar is the one we saw in "Six Months Ago". dposse 18:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

We certainly can't assume that all Heroes that are dead were killed by Sylar. Branfish 07:37, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Killings and Powers - maybe a chart?

The whole issue of listing Sylar's powers and his killings seems to be a touchy one, so I figured I'd discuss before I did anything. Someone deleted the list of Sylar's powers, saying that the list of his murders is enough, but I don't agree. It doesn't deal with his innate power, or the powers with unknown origin, like his ability to fly/jump up the wall or his freezing power which, whether it came from Molly Walker's dad or Sylar already had it, he has it now. So what about making a chart that provides all of the information in an organized way? I'm thinking columns for...

• Power (or "none")
• Origin (the murdered person, innate, or unknown)
• Episode (the episode or comic where he first gets the power or commits the murder, which could also handle Isaac's future death with a parenthetical)
• Cause (not absolutely necessary, but could clarify those he killed for their powers, mistaken identity, or others like Suresh and the FBI guy)

What do you think? I believe such a chart would be able to provide a satisfactory display of both the killings and power absorbsions without being redundant or leaving anything out. Let me know what you think, and unless anyone objects, I'll add it in a day or two. Nerrolken 19:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Such a chart may be useful in the future, but it's too early yet. The only powers we've seen him demonstrate is "the ability to figure out how things work" and telekinesis. Everything else is speculative. The article currently talks about what powers he's used, who he is suspected to have killed, and what powers, if any, his victims were know to have had. That's good enough for now. Primogen 19:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

But those aren't his only confirmed powers. He innately had the power to figure how how things work, we know he has telekinesis, he has demonstrated on-screen a limited ability to fly when he was fleeing Matt and Audrey and a limited ability to teleport when he jumped into the storeroom to kill Charlie and when he warped forward to Peter on the stairs at Homecoming, and he's certainly got the power to freeze things, at least since killing Molly's father, maybe before. I'm all about not posting speculation, but it has to be either that Sylar had the power to freeze things previously or he got it after that day, unless you want to believe that another hero was present at the murders helping Sylar to kill Molly's dad and then ran off. And frankly, with no mention of Sylar EVER having ANY accomplices, I think that believing someone else could have been involved seems like MORE speculation than just believing that Sylar has the power. There's a difference between posting speculation and adding reasonable deductions. So that's five powers that have actually been shown on-screen, not to mention the more iffy powers like how he survived getting shot and how he was immune to Eden's mind control at the end of Fallout. And besides, it doesn't really matter how many powers he has, because the chart would include non-power-related murders too. It would just make it more organized and easier to read.

Reading over this, it sounds kind of defensive. It's not meant to, that's just how it reads. I'm fully open to reasons why not to add a chart, I just feel that "because he doesn't have enough powers yet" isn't a good reason, because he has demonstrated on screen enough powers to justify a chart, and that's not the only reason to add one. Nerrolken 21:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Sylar has never been shown flying, freezing anyone, or teleporting on screen. You are assuming Sylar flew, because there didn't appear to be any way out of where Matt cornered him in FBI headquarters. You are assuming that Sylar froze Molly's dad because he was found frozen. You are assuming that Sylar teleported into the storeroom, because he wasn't shown walking in. (I missed some of the Peter-Sylar confrontation, so I can't comment on it). Now, those are all reasonable deductions, but putting our deductions, however reasonable, into an article is a violation of Wikipedia:No Original Research. Primogen 21:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

For that matter what may appear as flying or "warping" could easily been Sylar using telekinesis to transport himself as he would any other object. There is also nothing to dissuade the idea that Sylar came in through the back door of the restaurant rather than teleporting. --Kmsiever 21:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Invulnerability

In ""Homecoming", Sylar took quite a fall from the top of the stadium, yet managed to walk away. In "Fallout", he tells Eden that the gun won't harm him. Does this this indicate some sort of invulnerability or restance to injury? If so, we should it be mwntioned on the page? I'm well aware of all the WP:NOR claims against "speculating about powers", but this seems fairly clear... Thoughts? - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 22:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

It's quite okay to mention what characters do or say, but we can't draw any conclusions from it. So, we can say that Sylar survived unharmed a long fall that would have killed or injured an ordinary person, or that he siad that the gun wouldn't harm him. But how exactly he was able to survive the fall or why he said the gun wouldn't harm him would involve analysis, deduction or speculation on our parts. Primogen 00:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Sylar didn't seem concerned about Eden's gun, she was pointing it at him and he just told her that it couldn't harm him. Sylar was a bit less invulnerable then he seemed after "Homecoming", he lost a good deal of blood. Peter could have broken Sylar's fall enough to keep Sylar form suffering fatal injury. Heightened resistance is a possibility, but I personally think the reason why he wasn't worried about Eden's gun was that he could use telekinesis to stop the bullet. Hopefully the powers he's taken will be explicitly mentioned at some point. --Stabbey 04:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so. If he was invulnerable, then what would be his big deal about capturing the cheerleader to aquire her healing factor?--Hypergeometric2F1(a,b,c,x) 05:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Technically, all he knew was that a cheerleader saved a man from a fire. Maybe he's greedy and was hoping to "get lucky". Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

On the other hand, he had Suresh Sr.'s list, and he knows that the cheerleader IS special, just not sure how. -- Kschang77 08:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

We know that bullets can knock him down, but they don't penetrate, from the earlier Parkman attack on him when he was preoccupied with Agent Hanson. Or was he just distracted? -- Kschang77 08:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, any ideas on WHY Eden and the Haitian were able to catch him so easily, yet later when Eden went to the room Sylar was no longer affected? My theory is Sylar was injured in the fall and he was slowly putting himself together (he knew when things are broken) and thus didn't have the power to resist them. -- Kschang77 08:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

There is no sign of immunity or resistance to Eden's powers. Eden's command was poorly phrased ("I'm going to put the gun in the slot, then you're going to ..."), allowing Sylar to attack Eden before she could follow through.--Eloquence* 08:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I think his psychic abilty can account for the bullets bouncing off him, since we saw in Homecoming that he can throw people against walls with a wave of his hand and throw stuff at Peter. Also, eden and the haitian "easily caught him" because they were the perfect team who blindsided him when sylar was weak. The haitian canceled his powers, and eden made him sleep. The haitian wasn't with eden when she decided to take matters into her own hands, and her command was weak. dposse 14:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Her command was *terrible*. As long as he didn't let her put the gun in the slot, the command was worthless.

IMO it’s speculation, and as unclear as saying he can “fly”. There are many “possibly” reasons that he wasn’t hurt, and not worried about the gun. Time will sort it out. Just have to wait till January (unfortunately) Mefanch 00:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, he did seem to go down pretty quickly with the tranquilizers in the graphic novel, so he could have been bluffing....Although we shouldn't speculate, we should just give them the facts and let the readers draw their own conclusions.--DeadGuy 04:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

About Eden, I'm unclear whether she decided to shoot herself, or if Sylar made her shoot. When I saw the episode, her hand seemed to move unnaturally fast for her to be moving on her own. Any confirmation on this? Bio 20:57, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

She shot herself. Sylar wanted her brain intact, he wouldn't have shot her. The comic confirms this. --Stabbey 19:35, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

"main antagonist"

Recently, users have been attempted to assert that Sylar is the "main antagonist" of Heroes. I don't really find this appropriate. Thoughts? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 01:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think we can definitively claim Sylar as the main antagonist. I don't see Sylar as being a character that will last the entire series, if it goes on for several seasons. Mr. Bennett might well prove to be the serie's main antagonist (even to Sylar), and it may be that Theodore Sprague will instigate the nuclear explosion everyone will eventually try to prevent in this season's main storyline. There are too many plots and too much mystery to establish a main protagonist yet. Primogen 01:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I think currently he is the main antagonist. Not to say that won't change in the future. If the series lasts a few years, which hopefully it will, they could have a series of main antagonists. Who's the main antagonist for Batman or Wolverine? Just depends on which year you are reading. Mr. Bennett could end up the main antagonist in a future story, currently I see him more as a "edgy" professor X type; but either way - in the current development of the story, he's not the main antagonist; imo it's Sylar. Mefanch 05:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The fact that it is only an opinion makes it too subjective and speculative for an encyclopedia addition, especially in the intro. While I don't agree with the Batman example,—ever hear of The Joker?—you make a good point about flucuation; too good, I'm afraid. Much like main character status on the show, the "main antagonist" shouldn't be for us to decide, especially if there's a chance we could be wrong. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 06:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Plus, there can be many different "arcs" or storylines. Consider though, did Sylar ever antagonize Niki, Micah or D.L.? Sylar may have been the main villainous focus for the arc comprising episodes 1-13 ("Sylar arc"?), and the rest of the first season may focus on the "bomb arc" or the "monster arc" or whatever. We do not know yet, therefore it cannot be verified and is not worthy of inclusion. Rihk 04:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

From what I understand of the term "antagonist", a crucial aspect of the term is that the character is in opposition to the characters from whose POV the story is told. As Mr. Bennett's POV is one of those used regularly on the series, I think this would rule out his definition as an antagonist, despite his shady early appearences. As for Sylar, I agree that it is too early to define a MAIN antagonist, I think he is clearly AN antagonist. Branfish 07:47, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Freezing

I finally got around to reading that Entertainment Weeky article on Heroes, and I was surprised to read the following: "Sylar, a serial killer prone to freezing flesh and sawing skulls open." So, there's a secondary source that says he can freeze people. Admittedly, their fact-checking may not be rigorous ("sawing their skulls open" -- although they may have meant figuratively), and they may have gleamed that bit of info through assumption by watching that episode about the Walker killings. But, I throw this out to you to mull over. Primogen 00:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Nah, it doesn't mean anything. I could assert the same thing from only what I've seen -- two of the Sylar killings had corpsicles around (the Walkers and Isaac in the future), and I can easily draw from that that he's got some kind of Cryokinesis ability -- but that's just my inference. EW need not have any inside info to make that claim, and it doesn't make them a credible source. (Actually, I want to say there's been a third frozen body, but I can't remember who or where. I'm probably just wrong.) 66.142.175.202

You're probably thinking of the 'behind the scenes' shot of a frozen cop with his arm broken off - http://heroeswiki.com/Image:FrozenCop.jpg - I think this scene didn't make it to air, but I could be wrong.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.112.93.84 (talk • contribs) 15:26, December 23, 2006

Excuse my poor english but this is my theory. If he can move objects, he also can stop the movement of them. So, he can freeze objects with the telekinetic power. --85.49.8.36 23:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

You're english was pretty good there, and I've seen craptastic english. Anyway, by "freezing", we mean literal ice onto flesh, et cetera. Some have theorized that a highly adept telekinetic could immitate Cryokinesis, but I don't buy that Sylar's got "ultra leet psycho powers". The freezing has also been a one-episode thing so far, so it's hard to argue that what Happened to Mr. Walker wasn't incidental. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 01:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

If you're talking about 'highly adept' telekinetics and extend their 'ability to move things at a distance' down to the atomic level, you could do pretty much anything! Slow down atomic vibrations to freeze things, increase atomic vibrations to burn things, recombine molecules to create objects out of thin air, etc. Heck, why stop there? Why not give him the ability to telekinetically break apart atomic nuclei and cause fission? Telekinetically fuse atomic nuclei and cause fusion? But these things aren't 'classically' associated with telekinesis. I'd suspect that the show's writers would not have considered cryogenesis an 'aspect' of telekinesis, not because they're not smart but because audiences would probably get confused. If you look at the way the storytelling has been done, certainly appears that the writers are trying to tell us that the cryogenesis power was acquired, and not an aspect of telekinesis - Mr. Bennet and Sylar himself say explicitly that Sylar has absorbed multiple powers, but on screen we have only conclusively observed classical telekinesis and implied cryogenesis, with the 'red-herring' of radiogenesis (Ted Sprague). (By the way, cryoKINESIS is a kinda sloppy term - KINESIS means 'to move', so cryokinesis means 'cold mover', which isn't quite right. A more accurate suffix is -GENESIS, meaning 'to generate' or 'to create' - thus the terms I used here.)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.112.93.84 (talk • contribs) 15:26, December 23, 2006

Formely in Archive 2

Freezing

I think we can settle the debate on this. In this interview, the writers confirmed Sylar can freeze people. They also confirmed his memory will be getting better as a result of absorbing Charlie's power. --Stabbey 15:14, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

And yet in yesterday's episode, the only power they could find in him was telekinesis. --Kmsiever 15:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

That's true, but they know he has more powers. They just can't get them to manifest. Chandra couldn't find Sylar's original power either, but he had something. --Stabbey 20:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

The latest comic, Road Kill confirms the freezing power. --Stabbey 18:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Requested comment

As an summary by another user requests that a comment be made if their edit is reverted,—>.>—I'll be brief. There is no need for the content which I removed. It was redundant and defeated the purpose of the "killings" template. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 19:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

How so? I thought the purpose was to create a clear list of the murders that Sylar did and the powers he gained from them and the "notes" section being an additional piece of infomation to help put it into context.dposse 22:53, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

The default "context" is that he killed them. The time is fairly irrelevant and the location of NYC can be assumed. Furthermore, giving them all notes defeats the true purpose of the notes. In most tables like this one, the use of notes is a rarity, not a given. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:52, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Chicago Man

I don't believe this man was directly killed by Sylar. He gave the jacket he was wearing to the man and Audrey shot him accidentaly, so Sylar technically didn't kill him, in my opinion. BioYu-Gi!. 3:28, 23 January 2007

I think that they were talking about the body lying dead in the first page, I also belive that the dead guy's name is "David", because if you look closely in that same page a cop is writing that name in a little notebook.

So... does he eat brains or not?

Yes, he does. First of all, check out this page from Sylar's Company medical file. Sylar's LDL and total triglyceride readings are off the chart, to put it mildly (LDL of 190+ and triglycerides of 500+ is the highest level defined). If Sylar were a normal human, his arteries would be clogged to the point of cardiac failure. It just so happens that brains, when eaten, are incredibly high in saturated fat and cholesterol, which directly affects LDL and triglyceride levels in humans. So I think the question of whether or not Sylar actually eats the brains is effectively answered. Revoltingly enough, yes -- he does. Joshualander 10:08, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I haven't listened to the interview yet and don't really have time at the moment. But the article is unclear... is Sylar actually eating the brains and they've deliberately declined to say so on the show, or did they consider having him eat the brains and decided against it?--MythicFox 03:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

It's not as it reads; somewhere in the middle. Bryan's statements could imply that it's more the latter, but he chose to disclose this explanation. Furthermore, he made no indication that they have another idea or ever will. Plus, from what I've read on forums, fans knew he ate brains for a while now. If new explanation comes to light, we'll obviously write it up, but take that as the best we'll get for now. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 04:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, just checking. I mean, I personally had a theory he was eating the brains (because it's obvious he's doing something with them such that he doesn't just leave them there), but I was just curious about any sort of official clarification. I wouldn't be surprised if they have it come up on the show just to clarify it.--MythicFox 05:18, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't have the reference, but I could swear I read somewhere that early drafts of the character had him eating the brains, but then it appeared too 'zombie-like' and ghoulish and didn't fit the feel of the show...so that's why it's currently rather ambiguous how he's actually acquiring the abilities. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.112.93.84 (talk) 09:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC).

See the ARG page on Sylar. It says "The specific mechanism of acquiring the powers is uncertain, but requires the removal of the victim’s brain matter" -- maybe he needs to see it, not eat it? This would also explain how he has Eden's power if he does. Even if Eden blew her brains out, there could possibly be enough still left over for him to figure out how her power works. 140.247.147.88 03:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

We've never actually seen Sylar absorb a power except on his own terms... meaning he could be using a tool or chemical. Chemically absorbing the DNA makes the most sense. Certainly, his understanding of "things" would allow for him to have created whatever means he needs to get their DNA into his. He may not have gotten Eden's power because he didn't have the resources availablr to extract it before it was ruined or something. AllUltima 05:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

One writers opinion does not a consensus make. Every person it's been shown that Sylar killed(after getting his TK), he's sawed their head open and removed their brain. Maybe he eats it, maybe he snorts it, maybe he bakes it into a flavorful apple pie. All I'm saying is that as of "Parasite", it MAY have been further illustrated. He says "So I can sink my teeth in". Sylar doesn't strike me as a big symbolist, so I doubt he meant it in any way other than literally.DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC 19:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Bryan Fuller, a lead writer for the show, confirmed in [a podcast] that Sylar does indeed eat brains. However, the crew chose not to show it on screen because they could not figure out a way to avoid it looking comedic. - fmmarianicolon | Talk 20:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I've removed Discord's text as it does not draw on verifiable sources. There may be a way to reword it to avoid speculation, but as is - it is a theory rather than fact. --Ckatz^chat_spy 21:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Discord, your summary note wasn't necessary. As I said above, if reworded the text about the brains might fit in. Your earlier version *was* speculative, and that is why it was removed. Thank you for replacing it with an appropriate version this time, rather than just reinserting the older version. --Ckatz^chat_spy 19:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

He studies the brians to find out how their powers work then he manipulates himself to obtain those powers. And if he obtained peters sponge power than he would not have to kill any more people.71.181.181.246 00:49, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Note also the future paintings show people with their skull open and Sylar seems to be the cause.--Raymm 06:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Latest Episode (The Hard Part) Molly refers to him as the Boogy Man, who ate her parents brains. Sick but true. --Crazypete101 12:18, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Eden's death

I added an alternate interpretation of how Sylar managed to resist Eden's command and instead attack her. She told him: "I will give you this gun, and then you will kill yourself with it." Since he attacked her before she could give him the gun, the second part of the command never kicked in.StaffanBaloo 04:17, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

As per the discussion on the List of characters in Heroes Talk page, I removed speculation regarding both resistance and poorly phrased commands. StaffanBaloo 04:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Add column for episodes

I was wondering if we should add a column, in the table about Sylars murders, that show in what episode Sylars murders are in (the viewers sees them). --Jóna Þórunn 11:02, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:13, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks good, thanks. --Jóna Þórunn 23:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Inherent Understanding and Adaptability

In this interview with Bryan Fuller (Already cited on Sylar's page), he says that Sylar's power is an "inherent understing and adaptability", and he was able to use his powers in the cell to kill Eden because he was "playing possum". (The Sylar part of the interview starts at about the 42 minute mark). Given that description, I think that his original ability is comprised of two seperate comic-book superpowers:

Superhuman Intelligence - Sylar has inherent understanding of how things work.

Reactive adaption/Evolution - Sylar can adapt his own body to various conditions. It's on a much more subtle scale then in comic books, granted, but it's pretty close.

Thoughts? --Stabbey 13:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, he only has the one power, but I guess you could split it into two parts, like how Hiro can teleport, travel through time, and manipulate time, yet it's all classed as space time manipulation. He isn't superhumanly intelligent though, he just knows he things work on a subconscious level. Mixed with his newly aquired eidetic memory however, he could become super humanly intelligent. Jacobshaven3 13:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

The current "Intuitive Aptitude" listed on Sylar's page sounds good enough. --Stabbey 18:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

He's also pretty good at fixing watches.--Raymm 06:25, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

The low raspy voice

I think it's a bit early to presume Eden's power was stolen. According to the comic, Mr. Bennet and the Haitian burst in on him right after that incident and tranquilized him. Furthermore, during the 30 seconds or so that Mrs. Bennet was lying on the floor, everything was moving in slow-motion, and the clock ticking itself was slowed. This could simply be for effect as Mrs. Bennet is on the ground, stunned; this resembles the "shellshock" effect seen in various WWII films and games, where a nearby explosion causes one's senses to blur and time "slows down". Big Head Zach 15:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. If Sylar had Eden's power he would have used it on Sandra or someone else. Also I'll note that Sylar in Peter's dream in Fallout also used a similar raspy voice. I think he was just trying to be as scary as possible to Sandra. --Stabbey 19:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't a "shellshock effect", it was a slo-mo sequence intended to make the event more suspenseful. His voice isn't any more raspy than usual, it's just deepened because it's time stretched. 89.172.5.214 01:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

In any case, do we agree that this was _not_ a manifestation of Eden's power? If I remember correctly, he didn't say anything persuasive while his voice was altered. I think we should edit the "in Eden's usual fashion" bit out, but want a consensus before doing so. Valaqil 17:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

This interview confirms it wasn't Eden's power. It was just how it came out as a result of slowing the scene down. --Stabbey 18:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

In the episode "Run!", when Sylar arrives on Zane Taylor's doorstep, Zane asks "Dr. Suresh?". Sylar answers "Yes." Zane stares at Sylar blankly. Sylar says "Yes" a second time, a little deeper (but not by much). Zane instantly responds and lets Sylar inside. Aborlan 03:31, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

He does not say it 'lower', he says it 'softer' and more in the manner of Dr. Suresh. The confusion on Taylor's part was the difference in the voice on his answering machine from when Suresh first troed to contact him, and the voice/mannerism of the man that shows up on his doorstep. Once Sylar softens his voice Taylor is able to convince himself that this man really is Suresh. Taylor convinced himself, it was nothing Sylar did (power-wise) to influence him. Seriously, this is a dead horse, folks. Eden blew her brains out specifically to prevent Sylar from getting her power. Her sacrifice was dead-on, and she knew it. --Bill W. Smith, Jr. (talk/contribs) 15:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

The horse is in critical condition ;) Aborlan 17:55, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Seems the writers have pulled a fast one, as in .07% he clearly tries to use Eden's power, although it seems that his version is not as irresistable as hers was. Perhaps this is due to the damaged condition of her brain when he ate it? --Bill W. Smith, Jr. (talk/contribs) 06:45, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

According to the 11th graphic novel, "[Eden] gave her life to keep a depraved and dangerous man from gaining her gift." This, combined with the above-mentioned interview, clearly proves that Sylar does not have Eden's power. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 15:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps the voice should still be listed as a power, just with an unknown effect. It may or may not be Eden's power, but we have seen a few different instances where Sylar has drastically deepened his voice, seemingly for intimidation, and I remember at least one instance where Peter did the same thing after gaining the ability to use all his previous powers. I think that, for now, the voice should be mentioned as a possible power, just one that we don't know the effect of yet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.121.122.220 (talk) 20:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

Reference to the Zodiac killer?

I heard that the Zodiac Killer got his name from a watch, just like how Gabriel got his new name from a watch as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.230.163.153 (talk) 06:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

As far as I was aware the Zodiac Killer called himself it as a clue to the fact he killed people on astrologically important days, or did I read that incorrectly? Jacobshaven3 13:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

"possible powers" section

Someone (or several people?) keep adding a heavily speculative "possible powers" section. In addition to disrupting the flow of the article with a large heading, this section is pre speculation and OR. Are there any steps that can be taken to stop this person (blocking, page locking, etc?)? - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 01:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

If it continues, it might require seeking a block on that IP. The anon in question is continually adding speculative text that has now been removed by several different editors. --Ckatz^chat_spy 08:36, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Why was my addition of the "Sanity" section removed?

My edits have been removed after being deemed "speculation" How is my post speculation? It uses facts that have been presented in the series. -- Psi edit 05:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

because its speculation... -Xornok 05:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

The reason is because, although you have presented actual material, you've deducted whether it's true or not yourself, and "filled inn the gaps" so to speak. If someone has said "Sylar is possibly mentally unstable" in the series then it's possible to put down, but if you need to put your own thought at all into an edit then it's WP:OR and Speculation. Jacobshaven3 09:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Didn't Mr. Bennet comment on his sanity once? -- Psi edit 17:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

you tells us. give us which episode and when he said it... -Xornok 21:23, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

The episode in which he's first locked up in the cell. "I think you're insane. The infusion of so much foreign DNA has corrupted your mind." I believe the line went something, if not exactly, like that. So the "sanity" section should now be returned, Xornok, given that I was able to state the episode and the line. Kthxbai. 59.100.3.78 12:59, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

um, no not really, we cant cite "i believe the line went something like that". we need exact episode and when it was said, not just some random guess... -Xornok 14:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Fine Xornok, fine. Since you're going to be that elitist, I will quote episode name, episode number, exact line, and the exact time in the episode. Here goes.

Episode 11 - "Fallout"

Mr Bennet: "It's important to you, isn't it? Being special?"

Sylar: "It's important to everyone."

Mr Bennet: "I think you're insane. I think the infusion of so many alterations to your DNA has corrupted your mind. All this power is degrading you."

That exchange takes place 8 minutes and 40 seconds into the episode.

Is that exact enough for you? Is that able to be cited? Or do you need the frame numbers that book-end that scene as well? 59.100.3.78 13:25, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Looks like this is covered under Sylar#Personality. -MrFizyx 13:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Bennet's comment also doesn't support the text that was added. All it reveals is that Bennet questioned Sylar's sanity. The disputed material went much, much farther:

"It i s unknown if Sylar is currently mentally "sane". The room with scrawls on it that Mohinder found points to him being very well insane, though it is unknown if they point to his religion (as the writing "Forgive me father for I have sinned" refers to a Christian confessional). The only other regard for his snaity is seen in his talk with Mohinder in the episode "Run" (currently under the alias "Zane Taylor") in which he describes to Mohinder and experience in which he feels "totally out of body" and "close to god"."

It's still all speculation. --Ckatz^chat_spy 17:45, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Claire

Is it too speculative for now to mention something along the lines of that Sylar wanted Claire's ability so that, coupled with his own current regeneration, his would be enhanced into a practically invincible state, something like Superman? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goroloiath (talk • contribs) 2007-02-19

Yes. --Kmsiever 17:01, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. My bad with the unsigned comment thing. Goroliath

Motivation

Would like to see something on Sylar's motivations. A couple of times he has implied that the killings are part of an evolutionary imperative. In the episode "Run!", while posing as Zane Taylor, he describes having an epiphany about his (Taylor's?) ability, and asks Mohinder if he is familiar with Abraham Maslow and the "peak experience". There is some interesting phychology going on with the character if someone can find the right way to write about it. -MrFizyx 00:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

If you have sourced information regarding his motivations, please add it. Keep in mind that what he told Mohinder may be part of a ruse and he didn't actually have an epiphany. --Kmsiever 19:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Lacking any real source, seems someone has reasonably covered this already under: Sylar#Personality. -MrFizyx 19:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

List of Powers

Changed "Atomic Liquification" to "Molecular Manipulation". Atomic liquification implies liquefying atoms which is incorrect. The power is the ability to control the inter-atomic and inter-molecular bonds of a solid object, thus, molecular manipulation. Given that there's also no exchange of heat or visible exchange of energy, I'd say my edit makes this powers' description far more accurate. 203.14.180.98 07:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Charlie Didn't Get Absorbed

Now seriously, her power didn't get absorbed! Hiro changed the past which lead Charlie to an earlier death. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.80.122.234 (talk) 06:25, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

If your theory was correct, then most things that happened before Hiro traveled back in time would not have happened, and the story would not make sense. Besides, apparently the comic reveals his use of Charlie's memory. Bio 18:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I could be totally off-base, but, it appears, from what _I_ remember of Six Months Ago that Charlie simply told Hiro that she would die soon because of the whatever-it-was. He felt sad, they tried to kiss, and he disappeared. The result that I arrived at was that he left her there and, as a result, she died again. Regardless of how it happened, the comic does reveal that Sylar took it. See "Road Kill": "Soon after I killed her, I don't know...I just seem to be remembering things lately." AFAIK, that's canon. Valaqil 15:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Plus theres a scene with Charlie bleeding down her forehead, a Sylar signature, I believe.--Raymm 06:30, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

POWER LEFT OUT

The episode the Fix, does Sylar display the power to make himself appear dead, and then resurrect himself later? 66.109.248.114

That could be another power or it could simply be another use of one of the powers we already know he has. It could also just be bad doctoring. We don't know enough to put it in the article. --dws90 16:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Drew Grady?

When does Sylar take this alias? can we get a source on that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.189.155.40 (talk) 11:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

The proper alias is Drew O'Grady, according to "Road Kill", page four. http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/downloads/Heroes_novel_020.pdf I'll add it in. Valaqil 15:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Spolier Warnings PLEASE!!!

If someone is going to post detailed descriptions of episodes which have not aired, PLEASE insert a spoiler warning immediately ahead of the material- the one at the top of the page is not adequate. I went to this page for a little information and found the entire plot for the March 5th episode revealed only hours before I could watch it. Saxophobia 01:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

That's not how spoiler tags work... The entire page can be considered spoiler material if you haven't watched any of the episodes, hence the tag at the top of the page. --Pentasyllabic 02:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

The episode first aired on March 4th... in Canada. If the page included information for episodes that had *not* aired, that would indeed be rather lame. There does seem to be a lot of douchebags here at Wikipedia intent on ruining other people's enjoyment. (ie: editing all the '24' character pages a month and half prior to the premiere) But as it is, I think this case is fair game. 75.162.21.161 03:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Sylar can talk to pets!

Lets not forget how Sylar was talking to Mr. Muggles when he was at Claire's house. This must be another random power he got somewhere along the line. Sure, we don't know the full extent/nature of this power, but it obviously is a power and its existence is clear enough to be mentioned (in my opinion). AllUltima 04:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

you can be serious... my mom talks to our dog all the time, so what? -Xornok 05:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay I watched it again and i suppose it cannot be confirmed that he was actually getting a response. Sylar's acting seemed to indicate that he was able to understand Mr. Muggles. I guess this is at best implied so.. never mind AllUltima 06:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Though that would be another interesting power, it's mostly just that people talk to pets. Plus, remember, the guy's bat-guano crazy. --Valley2city^₪‽ 06:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Sound Manipulation?

Could Sylar have the power of Sound manipulation? During the struggle between Peter and Isaac in Unexpected, Peter shouts, causing a shock wave to send Isaac flying backwards, reminiscent of Coach Boomer in Sky High. One can only assume that he had absorbed that power from Sylar during their initial meeting, yet neither Sylar's nor Peter's page mention this as a potential power. What you you think? 198.109.96.35 16:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, maybe not. Under Talk:Peter Petrelli this has already been discussed as either telekenesis, or related to a brief encounter between Peter and Eden. Sorry, I should have read more, first. 198.109.96.31 16:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

No, he does not have that ability. There is an interview with Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite(writers for Heroes) stating that Peter's shout was _just_ a voice effect. The writers say that it is "coolness factor". Read it for yourself: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9817

Eden killed herself to prevent Sylar from getting her power. She succeeded. IF Peter displays Eden's ability at a later point, he did not get it from Sylar. Valaqil 19:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

In episode 14 Sylar uses a voice effect to say "Hi". I assumed that the voice effect was some random, useless power he picked up in the past, and that Peter inhereted it from him. Based on Sylar's and Peter's usage of this effect it would seem certain that the power exists, but... if the creators are just adding in random SFX that seem like powers but aren't then who knows. AllUltima 01:51, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Cryokinesis

The official NBC site Activating Evolution states in its wiki section that the freezing power, Cryokinesis, was originally possessed by James Walker. It's an NBC run site, so it is an official source. I was going to add it in, but someone left a comment not to, so I wanted to start a consensus first in case there is a legitimate reason to leave it out.  Anticrash  talk  06:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

It's an NBC-run site, but anyone can edit that wiki. I don't have a feeling on it one way or another, but I have seen some comment that we should avoid using information from other wikis since unverified information can be added into them. Valaqil 15:46, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a wiki, but more than that, James walker was frozen solid whilst eating, unless Sylar already had the power, how could he do that before killing James? Jacobshaven3 13:29, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Stop him in place with TK then aquire the power then freeze him as a result of not being able to control his powers (Sylar usually has a minute or two where he can't quite get a grip on the new power). It's entirely possible to freeze someone AFTER aquiring the power. Padillah 17:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

"Give me that damn list so I can save my...!"?

In the latest episode, after Mohinder asks Sylar "Then what would you have me do?" after Sylar mentioned that he "didn't ask for any of this," the latter told the former (whilst being confined to the chair; this took place for 19 seconds past the 29-minute mark):

"Help find a way...give me salvation...[shouts] give me that damn list so I can save my...!"

I didn't catch that last part (that's why I left it in ellipses). I obviously wouldn't do this if it didn't have any significance. However, what strike me as most interesting was that after Sylar's finished saying the quote above, a teardrop came out of one of his eyes. A REAL teardrop. It looked so real to me, so now I'm all the more curious as to the last part of what he said above and if it's going to have any significance or not to the situation in which he said it. Aymanazlan 20:54, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

It goes like this:

Suresh: "What would you have me do?"

Sylar: "Help find a way...give me salvation...give me that damn list so I can sink my teeth in!"

- SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 23:54, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

So the tear drop was anticipation of juicy powerfilled brains to dine on.--Raymm 06:35, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Liquidation

As far as I can tell, sylar's "liquidation" ability is not that broad, all of the objects that he turns to "liquid" (and the person that he takes the power from) are metal, and from what i can tell these pools of liquid then solidify. I'm wondering if this ability is really just the ability to manipulate the structure of a metal object, but sylar hasn't learned to control it fully yet.

Admittedly, there is no counter-evidence to suggest that he can't turn other objects to liquid, i'm just saying that it seems to be the only thing that he targets.

Yelirekim 01:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

There is counter-evidence. Watch the original scene with Zane. There are multiple melted items, including, if I am not mistaken, a plastic phone. Valaqil 15:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

In the wizard world interview it says peter has all of sylar's power and on of the script reads said "yeah now Peter can melt metal"- RED 4/4

Unofficial deaths?

Technically, Sylar DID kill Peter, though he regenerated later. I suppose Isaac wouldn't be counted as this was in the "future", but it's still him killing.211.30.223.128 12:09, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Did this really happen?

There is a whole paragraph in this article, which I think never really happened in the series, and so should be deleted. The paragraph in question is located under the topic called "1.5 Roaming Again":

While on the run once more, the bullet wounds annoy Sylar. He notes that things would be easier if he had Claire Bennet's healing factor. To go "north" and out of "Podunk, Texas," Sylar hitches a ride with a semi-truck driver. After realizing the driver is really heading West, Sylar kills him and hijacks the delivery truck. Police eventually follow Sylar, but he easily escapes them by using his powers to put ice on the road and then jump/fly out of the truck as it crashes over the embankment. Sylar also notes that he is down to the last person he can remember from Chandra's list. Thus, he ends up at the home of this person, and the events of "Run!" begin.

Alondono 02:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

It's in one of the Heroes graphic novels. --Pentasyllabic 05:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

telekinies

when Sylar uses telekinies he mostly uses his fingure to direct the object movement, but when peter uses telekinies he doesn't have to move a fingure. So would the finger movement mean Sylar needs help to direct his power or its a stronger way or he just likes to move his fingur?- Red 4/3 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.16.89.117 (talk) 21:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC).

He probably just likes to do it. It's a relatively easy way to focus on what he's doing. Valaqil 13:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

David credited with Cold Manipulation

In the table in the sub-section "Killings", David (from Chicago) is credited with having the power of Cold Manipulation. The footnote, from what I could tell, doesn't cite where this was power was confirmed to belong to David. The Graphic Novel of his death doesn't confirm this. Is this power entry simply speculation? If there is confirmation, it should be noted. Hiro DynoSlayer 21:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

That is definitely speculation. It has not been revealed, and has been removed. Thanks for the watchful eye. Valaqil 21:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

They did it again. I'll get it. Padillah 13:40, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Tk vs Pk

Should Sylar's power of Telekinesis be changed to Psychokinesis, which is apparently the preferred terminology in use on Wikipedia? After all, Tk just redirects straight to Pk anyways WookMuff 10:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Although I agree that psychokinesis would be a better term to use, as far as I'm aware that it's consensus to use the term "telekinetic" when describing fiction unless psychokinesis is used in the text. Jacobshaven3 13:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

The Voice, Part Two

It really looks like he used Eden's voice power on Isaac Mendez in 0.07. Odd, especially since Eden shot herself in the brain to avoid having her power absorbed by Sylar. Kimera757 03:00, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Other information indicates that he eats the brains of his victims. Now, unless by some magic he can swallow a whole brain without damage, he'll probably need to chew it. Maybe a bullet hole through a brain doesn't destroy whatever it is that he needs (the DNA?)Smiley1437 04:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Several previously cited references prove she stopped him from taking her power. Notice Isaac never told Sylar, no matter what Sylar said. It's used as emphasis that he's angry. The editors think it's "cool". How many times is this going to need to be repeated? Jacobshaven3 13:25, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

In addition, Sylar was subdued before he had any chance to cut open her head. There is absolutely no proof he absorbed her power and substantial evidence that implies he did not. In addition, Eden didn't have a voice power; she had a mind control power. --Kmsiever 14:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

She had a mind control power that relied upon her voice. He eats brains, not 'living brains', and absorbs the genetic material. as such, a few chunks picked off the glass would suffice. Given his oft portrayed lust for more powers, I can't see that being beyond his 'morality' to eat a brain in pieces. Until there's a citation that he doesn't have the power, all the evidence given in the series goes to a common sense decision that it IS her power. ThuranX 13:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

As I already stated, Sylar was subdued before he had any chance to do anything to Eden. If he indeed absorbs power by eating brains, then he doesn't have Eden's power because he did not eat her brain. He didn't even cut open her head. --Kmsiever 13:53, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

He clearly has not absorbed her power. Everyone should re-watch the episode Unexpected, and take note of the fact that Peter's voice also gets deeper when he uses telekinesis to send Isaac flying backwards into some of his paintings. Also, in the episode Parasite (and in the repetition of the same footage in .07%), Sylar's voice goes deep again when he says "I remember you." But, the deepness of voice is allegedly only attached to the Eden's power. But what Sylar said was not a command of any kind. He does not have Eden's power.GraniteJJ 01:03, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

'the brain man'

Hiro and Ando refer to Sylar as the brain man in .07%. can we use this to supplement the 'he eats brains' thing? ThuranX 13:18, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

No... he uses the brains in some fashion, but he doesn't necessarily eat them. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 14:48, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. Hiro saw Isaac's brain cut out in the future, and Charlie's brain scooped out in the present. I think Hiro calls him the Brain Man because he takes brains (Hiro has not witnessed the telekinesis), just like he calls Nathan Petrelli the Flying Man because he flies. Hiro could really use a lesson in his fellow heroes' names.GraniteJJ 01:07, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

He eats brains. It's stated in a comic pod casts interview. However, it's not been shown on screen to avoid zombie comparisons. It should only be included if shown on screen, or if in a Trivia section. Regardless, it's not integral to the article whether he eats the brains or not. Jacobshaven3 01:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Sylar does not have Eden's power

Ok. I know it's a popular theory. But several interviews have stated now that the deep voice is not him using Eden's power, but a "cool" effect used by the editors. I'll add citations but if people would just look in the archives it would already be obvious. Even without the citation as proof, when Isaac is questioned by Sylar using the "cool" voice effect, Isaac doesn't tell him, even after extreme torture. If Sylar had Eden's power, he wouldn't need to do any of the stuff he needs to do. He'd be able to stop people with a single phrase, ask them to stop breathing, etc... Mr. Bennett told Eden's father that she was a Hero and that her death wasn't in vain. If Sylar had gotten her power how would this be true? Jacobshaven3 01:19, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

One need only read this article to see he did not acquire her power. "While he informs her that her power will help him immensely, she points the gun to her own head and fires, killing herself and preventing Sylar from acquiring her power. Bennet and the Haitian then rush into the cell and subdue him with a tranquillizer gun." He never had a chance. He was subdued right after Eden shot herself. --Kmsiever 01:53, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Formerly in Archive 3

Future

Under the future tag, I'm pretty sure the power that Peter was using was Ted Sprague's radioactivity, and not the simple flame creation of Merideth Gordon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.100.77.76 (talk) 03:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

Cannibal?

I noticed that Sylar is categorized on Wikipedia as a "Fictional Cannibal". Whatever he does with brains, should that be considered cannibalism. He isn't eating people, is he? Actually we've never actually seen what he has done after he started to, um, remove their craniums. --Valley2city^₪‽ 06:12, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

There's been no confirmation that he's actualy eating the brains. It's been left ambigious on purpose. I think that category should be removed.--Piemanmoo 19:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

In the episode .07% at the end where Sylar's painting you can see clearly that Sylar's hands are caked with blood while there's none on his face. I'd say that they've dropped that idea now. Cherries Jubilee 23:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Nope, I'm sad to say they haven't dropped the idea. Molly Walker confirmed that Sylar eats his victims' brains in "The Hard Part." Arwen undomiel 02:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but she confirms that the childhood monster "the boogyman" eats brains. Being a child I'm not certain she was referring to Sylar actually eating the brains or doing something she doesn't understand with them (so she calls it eating). But, I have to weigh this against my abject dislike of the corny idea of eating brains and getting powers from it. I think it's stupid and silly and am trying hard to keep from having to believing it, so I may be biased. Padillah 13:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I think it's stupid too, but Molly is definately referring to Sylar as "the boogyman."

Suresh: Molly, I want to stop the man who hurt your family, who tried to hurt you.
Molly: You can't stop the boogyman. He sees into your soul and then he eats your brain.
Suresh: Well, you know who can stop the boogyman? You. I hear you have an amazing ability...the boogyman, he likes to hide, but if you can tell us where he is, we can make sure he never comes back again.

Molly and Suresh are talking about Sylar, and she is saying Sylar eats his victims' brains. Arwen undomiel 20:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Molly is talking about Sylar, but she is still a little kid and she still called him the boogeyman and said that he "sees into your soul." I wouldn't take her word at face value, especially when there is clear physical evidence to the contrary (no blood on his face after taking Isaac's power).

It's true we don't see blood on Sylar's face after he kills Isaac, but that doesn't mean he didn't eat the brain. In fact, I'm not sure we saw any blood on Sylar at all when he was painting in Isaac's apartment: his hands might have been dripping red paint, not blood. I can see why you say we shouldn't take Molly's words at face value, but it's pretty hard to misconstrue Sylar picking up her dad's brain and putting it in his mouth as something else. Arwen undomiel 22:08, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

It sure looked like blood on Sylar's hands. His painting didn't have all that much red in it, so there would be no reason for it to be exclusively red. Besides, Peter didn't have any red paint on his hands when he finished Isaac's painting in episode 5, and 70% of his section was a giant smear of red paint. Molly's probably imagining most of her description. What could she possibly have seen that would make her think Sylar "saw into your soul?" And I highly doubt she would have stayed long enough to see what Sylar did with the brains. I don't know about you, but if I was a little kid and a strange man burst through the door, telekinetically pinned my mom against the wall, froze my dad solid, and starting cutting off the top of his head, I wouldn't wait around to see what he did next, I'd run away as fast as I could. If she had stuck around, Sylar would have easily caught her, and she wouldn't have had a chance to hide. 24.252.87.219 22:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

This is a paragraph straight from Sylar's article:

When Sylar first meets Chandra Suresh six months prior to the series' starting point, he describes having intuitive aptitude, the ability of knowing how things work by looking at them. This ability to see and manipulate patterns within complex systems made him an expert watchmaker, as he could discern any problems with any given watch almost instantly. Upon meeting Brian Davis and learning of his telekinetic abilities, he was able to see the genetic difference in Davis. He promised to "fix" what Davis perceived as a problem and killed him.

This might explain why Molly said Sylar looks into people's souls--he is searching for their genetic difference before he kills them. Arwen undomiel 23:48, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but how could she possibly know that? You can't tell that he's doing that just by looking at him. Especially if you're a little kid and you're panicking and running away. 24.252.87.219 23:57, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

But until we get hard, complete confirmation that Sylar actualy eats the brains, rather than just being implied, we can't classify him as a cannibal.--Piemanmoo 01:22, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Fuller says that "[Sylar] kills people and he eats their brains and he, like, digests their power." That's your confirmation. Even if unstated in the series, the writers explain in no uncertain terms what he does. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:10, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Listen to the podcast that that quote came from. What Fuller says is that their original concept was that he ate brains, but that they found that whenever they brought up that idea in the writers room, everyone started giggling and saying "braaaaaaaaains," so they decided to leave it vague and just say that he could see how things work. I took that to mean that they had decided against the idea but hadn't thought of something to replace it at the time. And besides, that interview was conducted back in December, so it doesn't reflect the current intent of the writers. 24.252.87.219 02:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

You don't know the writers have changed their minds. In fact, it's quite clear they've decided to just outright state it through Molly. It's not up to us to decide whether her comment is to be taken at face value or not. The fact remains that the writers gave an explanation and she confirms it. He is a cannibal unless they specifically deny that Sylar eats brains, which they have not. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Again I ask you to listen to the podcast. The full quote is, "Well, basically, what we've always talked about in the writers staff is that he kills people, eats their brains, and digests their power...His power, we've kept a little vague because we were worried about the potential silliness of talking about someone eating someone's brains. We don't want to cross the line of absurdity, we want to dance along it without saying he eats brains. Because every time we brought that up, someone would go off on a zombie rant. So we tried to circumvent that and keep his power more mysterious. But basically, the idea is that his power is an inherent understanding of how things work, so when he first met his victim he understood, 'Oh! That's how this works, and if I-for me to absorb that power...'" It's far from specifically stating that he eats brains. And yes, it does have to be decided if something can be taken at face value, because you simply cannot take everything at face value. Otherwise we would have to state that Sylar is the boogeyman. It's clear that Molly's statement was at least partially a little girl's imagination. And why would they make a point of showing blood caked onto Sylar's hand but not onto his face if he had recently eaten a brain? Anyway, the fact is that it has not been clearly confirmed that he is a cannibal, therefore calling him one is speculation. 24.252.87.219 03:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

As you keep quoting, they simply avoid saying it because it sounds silly. The explanation is still there, and Molly's statement backs it up. Even if Molly sees him as the boogeyman, she still saw him do it. Her rationalization of the killer's identiy aside, there's no reason why she'd say such a thing unless she saw him do it. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Nobody has confirmed that Sylar does eat brains, and nobody confirms that he hasn't. It's been left ambigious on purpose for a long time. If they were going to reveal that he did eat brains, I doubt they would reveal it by some little girl's sly remark. If anything, Sylar is a possible cannibal. So until we see proof, it's ludicrous to assume anything. --Piemanmoo 07:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Like I said before, it is very unlikely that Molly stuck around long enough to see Sylar do whatever he does with the brains. And there is a reason why she would say that without having seen him do it. It's called imagination. She saw him brutally murder her parents in a supernatural way, and start to cut off her dad's head. When Matt found her the next day, she saw her dad's body with its brain removed on the way out of the house. Since no one could tell her what happened, she rationalized that the boogeyman came and ate her dad's brain. It's a perfectly normal thing for a little kid to do, especially on television. The writers had her start her statement by saying that Sylar was the boogeyman, establishing that it was at least partially her imagination. The fact that she gave Mohinder a drawing of a yellow star afterward and said that it would protect him from the boogeyman further establishes this. Thus, we should not take it as confirmation, especially when they went out of their way 2 episodes ago to show hard physical evidence that he does not eat brains. And besides, Tim Kring said in an interview a few weeks back that we wouldn't find out what Sylar did with the brains until next season. We should not categorize him as a cannibal, and we should mention the evidence from 0.07% in the article. 24.252.87.219 21:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

And you realize every bit of that is original research? My memory is kinda shakey on exactly where she was hiding, but I'm relatively sure it wasn't completely dark. In any case, I'll move on to the .07% thing. Exactly where do you get "hard evidence" from a single murder? To expand on that point, how do you get "hard evidence" when your only argument is "we didn't see blood on his mouth"? There are quite a few reasons why no blood would be there, especially over such a large gap of time. The fact remains that both a writer and a character have said "eats brains". Despite all your rationalizing, they have not ditched the concept, only vaguified it so as not to sound completely silly. There are two places where they say "eats brains". I challenge you to find one where they say "no, he doesn't", other than you making interpretations. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[Resetting indent] Let's get back to Valley2city's original question: even if he eats the brains, does that make him a cannibal? He's not consuming human flesh for nourishment, but rather as a way of "digesting powers". does that still fit the definition of cannibal? - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 23:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

"Cannibalism (from Spanish caníbal, in connection with alleged cannibalism among the Caribs), also called anthropophagy (from Greek anthropos "man" and phagein "to consume") is the act or practice of humans consuming other humans."Doesn't have to be for nourishment. See Ravenous. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Implied brain-eating and confirmed brain-eating are two very different things. Molly's statement wasn't "Sylar stares into your soul, and then I saw him eat my dad's brain." Molly was hiding in a small playroom hidden behind a door that looked like the wall. On top of that, she was in the very back of that room hiding behind a table, as far away from the strange man as possible. Besides, eating brains would turn them into poop for Sylar, not another new power for himself. HRG said that he had been infusing himself with DNA, and eating the brain of another person doesn't change your DNA. Sylar obviously has some other unknown mechanism for absorbing powers. Also, if Sylar did eat brains what are the odds that he would wash the blood off his face but not his hands? I'm just saying there's to much eveidence to the contrary and we shouldn't jump to the conclusion that he he pan sears it and enjoys it with a nice glass of chianti or whatever. Even Zachary Quinto doesnt know how it works, and has even been quoted saying "They haven't told me. The impression I was operating under was he actually ingested them, but I don't know." Burden of proof is on the beliver, so I challenge someone to find a proof (beyond Molly's metaphorical statement or Fuller's out-of-context quote) that cofirms that Sylar eats the brains. Until then, he doesn't belong. --Piemanmoo 23:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Fuller confirms it in the interview, they just don't say it because it's silly when said seriously. As for the rest of your statement, see WP:NOR. It's not original research to say he eats brains, because Molly says so. It is original research to say Molly just made it up, because no one has said that's the case. Proof exists for brain-eating. All you have is conjecture. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Fuller just said that the writers had talked about Sylar eating brains. Tim Kring got asked about it an interview here: [3] The quote:

Does Sylar (Zachary Quinto) get his power by eating brains?

"That's the popular speculation," laughs Kring. "There is a connection between the powers and the brain — and Sylar has found [it]. Early in season 2, you'll find out what he's been doing with the brains."

That sure doesn't sound like a yes to me. And why would he say that we would find out about it in the second season if we were going to find out about it in episode 21? 24.252.87.219 00:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. This is the kind of response I was looking for. This does show some inconsistency between creator and writers, but it doesn't show a retraction. It only shows that they'll stop beating around the bush and get to it in season 2. It doesn't mean the brain-eating isn't true, nor does it cast sufficient doubt to deny the fact. Fact is, the writers do make up many of the details. You should add that into the article, though, as it is important. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:37, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I added that quote to the article. Feel free to change its format or placing to make it read better. 24.252.87.219 00:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

So the fact remains that we dont have 100% proof that he does eat the brains. Personaly, I believe that there's a good chance he does, but we still dont know for sure. As long as there is some doubt about it, you'll see why it's simply not a good idea to classify him as such. --Piemanmoo 00:51, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

But we have enough to classify him as such, as both writers and characters have overtly stated it. There is nothing wrong with calling him a cannibal, because we've been told that's basically how his skills work. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, basicaly. But both the characters and the writers haven't said "Sylar eats brains". Obviously, it's heavily implied by a lot of sources, both within the show and outside it, but unfortunatley we still dont know for sure. If the next episode actualy shows him eating brains and confirms everything, then that's awesome and we can add it for sure. But keep in mind a lot of people had different theories that changed rapidly as the show progressed. Many people though Sylar didnt have ice powers until they were confirmed in the graphic novels. So let's just wait until we have proof that is undeniable first. Play it safe and such. --Piemanmoo 02:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Even if there's more to it, he still eats brains, as confirmed by Fuller and Molly. That they chose not to state it directly out of foolishness concerns is not an issue, because they agreed on the concept. He's a cannibal, plain and simple. That you are unsatisfied by a lack of visual proof is of no concern, as the written proof is more than adequate. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:37, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

How can he be a confirmed cannibal when its been revealed by Kring that it won't be revealed what he does with the brains until season 2? Kring's statement completely undermines Molly's announcement and implies that Molly's vision of the boogeyman is a childs interpretation of what happened. Irrelevent of the lack of physical on screen brain eating even the written stuff has been completely ambigous, not once has it been said "yes he eats brains", only "that's the speculation" or "that was the original idea but...". It cannot be argued from these he is definitely a cannibal and all the double talk implications do not make it so. –– Lid^(Talk) 08:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Someguy0830, do you also believe that the crayon star on the piece of paper will protect Suresh from Sylar? I'm just trying to establish what statements Molly makes are irrevocable truth and which are the ramblings of a 6 year old. Please explain to me, other than your need for her statement to provide proof of your point, how do we tell the difference between those two statements? Padillah 12:52, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

While I would normally think the piece of paper a child's imagination, this is Heroes. It might very well hold some special power. While you wouldn't expect such a thing to be helpful, you never know. However, that's a moot point, because it's not made an issue of. The brain-eating is. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:04, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Well? Aren't you going to add the category back? --Piemanmoo 05:14, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Fighting two or more people is pointless, especially when the issue is something so mundane and arguable. Matters of policy are one thing, this is just tiny details. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:34, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Why is this talk section so long? We already have known for a long time that he eats his victims brains. Knight Whitefire 22:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually we've speculated that he might, but as yet there isn't a verifiable reference from the actual episodes or published interviews with the producers that backs it up. And as far as why the thread is so long, it's because the exact mechanism of how he absorbs powers is a critical and enigmatic part of the article. Dugwiki 23:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Identity of the Bomb

"The graphic novel "String Theory" revealed that, in the original timeline of the series, before Hiro attempted to alter it, Sylar was originally the "exploding man" who would decimate New York." I disagree with this sentence. The novel is from Hiro's view; all it shows is that Hiro believes that Sylar was the bomb. In the altered timeline where Claire is alive, this is shown to be a common but incorrect view. It's quite possible that the bomb in both the original and altered timeline was Peter.--Trystan 15:40, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Hiro stabbed Sylar, but because Sylar had Claires regeneration he survived. This no longer happened. However, Peter did become the bomb. Hiro was there when Sylar exploded, so I'd say it's safe to believe him. Jacobshaven3 20:32, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

The way I interpreted it is the same as Jacobshaven3. Since Claire is still alive and Peter, not Sylar is the bomb, this would indicate that the timeline future-Hiro returns to is no longer his "original" timeline but rather the "real" timeline of the show. One thing I'm wondering about is why Hiro still needs to kill Sylar, as shown in the 9th Wonders issue from the future, given that future-Hiro's actions caused Peter and not Sylar to become the bomb. --Pentasyllabic 22:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm wondering this myself. But there's also the effect of having Sylar to blame and having Sylar (as Nathan) stir up hatred and bigotry. I don't think Sylar needs to be killed because he's the bomb but rather because his powers and influence caused the situation we see in Five Years Gone. Padillah 12:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be easier if Hiro just went back and killed Ted before all this began, then no-one could explode... Just an idea. --Crazypete101 09:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

What did Ted do wrong? Yeah it's easier but he's innocent regarding all of this, the only reason Peter became radioactive is because they were in New York. He should have left. Jacobshaven3 11:23, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Not to be a jerk, but this is for discussing the article and we're starting to wander off point. Padillah 12:54, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Candice Wilmer: Spelling

Several occurrences of "Candice Wilmer" in the article have been changed to Candace Willmer, breaking a couple of links. Is there a source we could use to determine the correct spelling?--Trystan 15:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

According to NBC'c official recap, "Claire pays a surprise visit to Mr. Bennett's prison cell at Primatech Paper, though he's quick to recognize that it's really Candice, the illusion caster." Is that good enough? Several other recaps: [4], [5], [6], [7], and [8] all spell her name 'Candice". - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 16:14, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Cryokinesis in "Five Years Gone"

A survey regarding the verifiability of these powers has begun here. --Ckatz^chat_spy 23:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I've noticed that people keep removing any mention that it is cryrokinesis Sylar is using in the fight with Peter. In the weekly Q&A (Behind the Eclipse) with writers/producers Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite, they confirm that we see Sylar use this power at some point in this episode. It's fairly obvious that this is the scene they are referring to.

Jason Fleiss has also been enjoying the online graphic novels and asks, "Early in the season, we saw at least one of Sylar's victims had been frozen, and we've seen Sylar use this ability in the online graphic novels. Will we ever get to see Sylar use his freezing ability onscreen?"

We'll see a little tease of Sylar's freezing power in episode 20, "Five Years Gone," but it ain't nothing compared to what we see him do with it in episode 21, "The Hard Part."

Ryan 19:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

According to WP:V, an external source has to verify that that scene was in fact the cryokinesis. It is also still unknown that cryokinesis cam from Walker. It may seem obvious, but WP:V insists that an external source verify it, rather than drawing conclusions (even "obvious" ones, unless it is explicitly stated in the show, such as Nathan flying) ourselves. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 01:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC) - Retracted - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 03:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Cryokinesis is a neologism. Cold Manipulation is the correct term. Regardless, Walker was killed by being frozen, thus he can't possibly have had the power, unless his head was chopped off whilst he ate, then he was frozen. Jacobshaven3 01:54, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Um, why is being new regarded as "bad"? We can't use reletivly new words to describe things in Wikipedia? Just because it's the new term doesn't mean it's incorrect. Cryokinesis is just as correct as Pyrokinesis. Padillah 12:42, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I am pro neologisms, however wikipedia policy, WP:NEO, is against them. We had a lengthy debate a while back at List of comic book superpowers and had to change all our powers to non neologisms. Jacobshaven3 17:14, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't see how the ice and fog effects which are used to depict the cryokinesis power are any less obvious than Nathan's flying power.--Trystan 04:42, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not referring to the debate about who the power came from. My concern is the the fact that it is indeed this particular power used in the scene where Sylar faces off with Peter. There seems to be an ongoing battle about whether or not it is a freezing power or simply "an energy based power" as it says now. Ryan 05:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Sylar's hands simply turned blue. Sprague's EMP effect looked similar. Peter's hand glowed orange, which looked like Sprague's normal radiation effect. Maybe it was two types of radiation, or may it was fire and ice. Until an outside source verifies one, we can't put it in the article. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 06:06, 3 May 2007 (UTC) - Retracted - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 03:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

People need to open their eyes. Gabriel's hands did not simply "turn blue". He also lowered the temperature of the surrounding air. And Peter's hands were engulfed in flame a la the Human Torch. I have your proof. Look at the damn photo for 5 years gone. It clearly shows Peter's hands on fire and Gabriel's hands chilling the surrounding air. Common sense is not outlawed on Wikipedia, though many people like to pretend it is. Did you see the episode in HD? It becomes even more clear. Should we write that we're unsure how Gabriel pulled Peter through the door? Are we sure it was phasing? What if he created a wormhole on each side of the door and used that? Can you prove he phased? --Billywhack 02:26, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Also Ted's EMP looks NOTHING like what Gabriel's hands do in the episode. Billywhack 02:27, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

*sigh* Fine. Upon further review, it does indeed appear that your description is accurate. Just don't attribute the cryokinesis to James Walker. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 03:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree that nobody can say where he got the cryo power from yet. Billywhack 03:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah but James walker is shown Frozen and Davis is the second Super human (first is Brain) on the death list, so it has to be Davis... Right?- 24.13.146.47 01:13, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

First, you mean David. Brain Davis was Sylar's first victim. Second, there were several victims between Davis and Walker, any one of whom may have given Sylar cold manipulation powers. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 02:15, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Second "Power Box"

It seems unnecessary to me for this article to have a second box showing the powers he has in the alternate time-line, as there is a paragraph above it that states the same thing. It just appears redundant. Similar to this, I've noticed that the other skills sections is a shorter, less detailed version of Names and Aliases. Briememory 02:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I merged "other skills" with "Names and aliases". - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 03:51, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Occupation: Serial Killer?

I made the change, taking it off, and it was already put back. No desire to get into a revert war. "Occupation" as used a person's template on Wikipedia means their employment. For any example, look at a famous killer's page (such as Charles Manson, David Berkowitz, Harold Shipman, etc.), the occupation listed, where one is, is always a person's employment status. Yes, a dictionary definition of the word will include both "a person's usual or principal work or business" and "any activity in which a person is engaged." But there are also many more definitions. In the context of these articles, occupation equals employment. 160.39.30.190 04:46, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't know whether it's semantically correct or not, but it does offer useful information about the character, which seems like the most important thing.--Trystan 04:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, it does say that he's a serial killer in the first line of the article. This isn't that important to me, so if the consensus is to keep it I won't bring it up again. Just pointing out that stylistically in Wikipedia that spot is used for a person's employment. 160.39.30.190 04:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm with 160.39.30.190, "serial killer" is not an occupation. It may be what occupies his time but it is not an occupation by any streach. Padillah 12:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

"Eventually, Sylar became a notorious serial killer" How do we know he became notorious?--Raymm 06:20, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I would say it's fair in the future he became considered (erroneously) a notorious mass murderer. Billywhack 04:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Simultaneous use of powers

Should it be noted that Sylar was above to use multiple powers simultaneously? (For example, he flew while maintaining the illusion of Nathan's appearance.) - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 23:34, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

5 years gone powers?

if eden prevented sylar getting her powers by severe, direct brain trauma how does he have the power to persuade? also if DL was alive in "5 years gone", how did sylar walk through a wall?

thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.225.71.163 (talk) 05:05, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

I don't think he does have the power to persuade, and I don't see anywhere claiming that D.L. was alive in this episode. -- Chuq (talk) 05:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I am going to set my reminder for tonight and rewatch "5 years gone" I am not quite convinced he got the "phasing" abilities from D.L. I see nothing that says only one person in the world has a given power. In fact that seems counter-intuitive (but I want to prove it first). Padillah 13:14, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

When Future Hiro and Ando were talking to Bennet, Future Hiro said he wanted Candace, DL and Molly Walker. Thats another point, if Candace is alive, how can Sylar create illusions... Thanks—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.71.163 (talk • contribs) 13:20, May 4, 2007

Bennet simply didn't know that those people died. Peter specifically stated that DL had died. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 22:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Point taken, but also Hiro specifically said he helped protect them to Bennet. Regardless, Peter said he died in the explosion, not by murder. Hopefully they explain this soon.

Hiro said he brought them to be protected, but Bennett later stated that he turns over the "dangerous" ones to Homeland Security. If that's what he did to Candice and D.L. then they likely were killed while being held. Jshatch 05:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Hiro didn't know that Candice, DL and Molly had been eliminated by Sylar. He'd just come back from the past after telling Peter to "save the cheerleader etc..." - from his point of view the future was different also, hence his confusion when present Hiro and Ando rocked up. 59.100.102.55 11:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Future Hiro didn't know that he altered the future even more when he went back 5 years because in the beganing of % years in the future he asked the present Hiro why he's there, so the time line is altered more-RREDD13 00:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Survey re: powers in "Five Years Gone"

A survey regarding the verifiability of these powers has begun here. --Ckatz^chat_spy 23:39, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

And it has been settled, whether you and Matthew want to admit it or not. Billywhack 02:41, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

In " The Hardest Part" the scene where Sylar kills his mother during a scuffle by stabbing her with a pair of scissors is very similar to the story of alleged serial killer Henry Lee Lucas. Lucas stabbed and killed his mother with a pocket knife during a scuffle in which he was trying to convince his mother to go back home and leave him alone(as opposed to Sylar who just wanted to come home and be accepted by his mother)also, Sylar kills people and eats their brains while Lucas claimed to have killed hundreds of women and then having sex with them.Rbreli 02:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Grammar skills when writing about books and movies/shows

You have to put everything in the present tense, because if I was to re-watch the show, it would be happening in the present, not past tense. It's something you should have learned in elementary school that when you write a book/show summary, it is in present tense.

The only time you write a past tense statement in a summary is when someone talks about something that happens and you don't actually experience it/read the even happening. Ikeray 15:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

edited by Ikeray 22:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC) (happy now??)

Speaking of grammar, you should also capitalize the first word in a sentence, capitalize "I", use an apostrophe in "It's", and spell "don't" and "should have" correctly. These are all things you should have learned "in elementary school". I'm not claiming to be perfect, nor is this intended as a personal attack, but please fix you own grammar before criticizing the grammar in this article. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 15:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Grammar is syntax and morphology, not orthography. None of the things you highlight are grammatical errors. Ilkali 05:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

OK. Anyway, you're right. WP:WAF states that articles about fiction should be written in a "continuous present" tense. Again, no offense intended. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ

personality

It's been strongly established that Sylar is a Narcissist in the extreme, believing that it is his destiny to be more than a Watchmaker's son. Also, he states that he kills other Heroes because it is only "natural selection" to him and that killing the innocent who hold no value for him is not what he wants to do. This is shown in both The Hard Part and Six Months Ago. This, in my opinion, must be added to the article because it is what makes Sylar tick. I'm just not sure how to do it. Any opinions would be appreciated. dposse 01:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Artwork

Should Sylar get his own artwork section like Issac even though he's only made a few paintings? Darkhero31 01:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

By this reasoning, should Peter? Short answer I'd go with - no. --75.2.57.228 10:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Definitely wouldn't deserve it's own page. It might work to put his (and Peter's) stuff on the Artwork of Isaac Mendez page and re-title it something like "Artwork of Heroes." Novastarj 16:45, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Top-of-page formatting

Technically, the TOC isn't a spoiler, and I hate when the horizontal lines run into other image- and info-boxes. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 19:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)