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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 11:36, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

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Ali Akbar Aboutorabi Fard

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  • ... that an Iraqi major (in Iraq–Iran war) in prison told Aboutorabi: "if Khomeine is like you, I will follow him"?
  • Alt1 ... that during the Iran–Iraq War, an Iraqi major told his prisoner Aboutorabi, "if Khomeini is like you, I will follow him"?
  • Alt2 ... that during the Iran–Iraq War, an Iraqi major told his prisoner Aboutorabi (pictured), "if Khomeini is like you, I will follow him"?

Created by M.Sakhaie (talk). Self nominated at 11:46, 17 November 2014 (UTC).

  • The article was new enough when nominated. Although the article has a tag for needing the lede re-written that doesn't violate WP:V. The article is long enough. The hook appears in the article and is cited, but the FARS News Agency website indicates the material is an excerpt of a memoir, not a news article so it's not reliable. According to Google translate, the material doesn't back up the hook's assertion. If a third-party Farsi speaker can verify it's ok then I'd AGF. The hook is short enough (126 characters). The image amazingly comes from a GDFL website so that's fine. It's disputable if the images "shows well" at that size. Sajed.ir requires attribution so you can't crop the image, either. Nom doesn't have a DYK credit yet so QPQ isn't needed. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:03, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Dear User:Chris troutman, I am a bilingual and I checked the content cited from FARS News Agency in this article. The translation was correct to best of my knowledge (Was one sentence after all :) ). However, since I am not a big fan of that news agency, I Googled the statement (in Farsi) and I was assured multiple sources are backing it. Hope that helps.Kazemita1 (talk) 18:29, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Many thanks, Kazemita1. Could you provide one of those other sources? That's the only thing holding up this nomination. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:23, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Here is one example: 1 Chris. Moreover, I was able to find a book that confirms the story narrated in the Wiki article. It is available online here(Page 16 of the pdf file). I also checked the author and the publisher and it appeared they are both well established.--Kazemita1 (talk) 21:45, 29 December 2014 (UTC).
As a matter of fact, even the Fars News Agency cites the book as its source at the end of its article where it says منبع خاطرات: کتاب "حجت الاسلام" Translation: Source of the recollections: The "Hojjat Al-Eslam" bookKazemita1 (talk) 00:20, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Issue with NPOV in lede. Should it not be "Iran–Iraq War", with parties listed alphabetically? Also for coherent naming with Wikipedia articles. Proposed Alt1 hook with this change, more colloquial English and conventional spelling of Khomeini. — Brianhe (talk) 08:36, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
I don’t think so. this page in Wikipedia use these words for this war, and this war is known by iran-iraq war. And about Khomeini: absulatly Khomeine is wrong, as in this page in Wikipedia use this spelling. By the way more important of all is using wikilink for these words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by M.Sakhaie (talk • contribs) 16:23, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Since Kazemita1 has verified the sourcing then this is good to go. I don't agree that there's any POV issue and the spelling of Khomeini is a matter of transliteration. ALT1 is 136 characters so it passes, too. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:59, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Can someone please crop out the website from all the images? I don't think it should be promotionally linked from the main page. Fuebaey (talk) 19:10, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
You joined Wikipedia three months ago so now you're going to tell us what you think? I can only assume you believe it's a good idea to leave drive-by comments since you see everyone else doing it, too. Had you bothered to read you'd see in my review I said specifically "The image amazingly comes from a GDFL website so that's fine. It's disputable if the images "shows well" at that size. Sajed.ir requires attribution so you can't crop the image, either.". Chris Troutman (talk) 19:16, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
If pointing out a problem is problematic for you, feel free to ask for a second opinion. I don't have an issue with the license. The images are attributed on their respective files. Watermarks are not required on the photos and could be perceived as advertising. Fuebaey (talk) 19:35, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Not only are they not required, they are not allowed. That needs to be removed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:06, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Dear User:Chris troutman, can I ask to use wikilink for the word "Khomeini"?
    • You don't need a new hook to add an internal link. I added the link to ALT1. Also, links are generally discouraged within quotes but I think here it's useful. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:28, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

@Chris troutman: Is there any problem due to no procceding of this DYK? M.Sakhaie 19:58, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

You'd have to ask BlueMoonset. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:03, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
  • See my comment above. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:44, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
@Crisco 1492: Therefore I should crop the image and reupload it in commons, should I? or something else I have to do? what about copyright issues? M.Sakhaie 05:34, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
  • No copyright issues. The image is on a free license which states "Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify.." The required attribution is given on the Commons page. Harrias talk 08:54, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
I cropped the image. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:10, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Apparently the image is being deleted. The nom has been blocked on commons as a sockpuppet involved in license laundering. I guess the hook could still go forward without the image but I'm disinclined to reward bad behavior. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:48, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
As long as the image is nominated for deletion, this DYK nomination is on hold. Also, to be accurate, it's the sites the images come from that are considered to be involved in license laundering. I do find the sockpuppet allegations alarming, however, since all the named Commons accounts have English Wikipedia equivalents. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:48, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: @Chris Troutman: Amazing! there is "GFDL" at the bottom of website. what should I do?M.Sakhaie 07:04, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
The image has been deleted from Commons and thus from this nomination. M.Sakhaie, my advice is stay away from that website and not use its images on Wikipedia or Commons ever again under this or any other username. Chris troutman, I'll let you decide what to do with this nomination now that it's imageless. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:40, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Just to be clear, the socking accusation is not mine but the blocking admin, Elcobbola. If we remove pictured the hook would be fine. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:06, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
I have deleted "pictured" from the two unstruck hooks; if you think one or both are good, Chris troutman, then giving a new tick along with which one(s) is/are usable would complete the review process. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:12, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
I like ALT1. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:55, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
  • I'd like to verify the source cited in FN3 - the ISBN does not work in either WorldCat or Amazon/GBooks, and I can't find a record of a book by that title. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:34, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
I used this book and there is a copy of the book in National Library and Archives of I.R of Iran M.Sakhaie (talk) 09:53, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
In addition this ISBN works in isbn.ir and I can find records of the book. M.Sakhaie (talk) 10:10, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
The last of those links doesn't work for me, but is it correct to say that the book has never been published under the given title? Nikkimaria (talk) 15:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Which link? The right title is "پاک باش و خدمتگذار" and the translated title in English is "be pure and server". The book has been published under the title "پاک باش و خدمتگذار". Which one should be used? M.Sakhaie (talk) 15:59, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
This one. If the book has not been published in English, you should provide the non-English publication details, though a translated title can be included as a supplement. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:57, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
OK, I will. And about the link: I don't know why the link does not work. But if you type title of the book (in persion) in the search box in www.nlai.ir, you can find the book. M.Sakhaie (talk) 18:13, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank, restoring tick from above. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:04, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
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