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111		Mokpo (talk)						Cleanup
374		Kang Hye-jung (talk)						Cleanup
8		Gyeongin National University of Education (talk)						Cleanup
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5		Korail Airport Railroad Corporation (talk)						Expand
7,376		South Korea (talk)						Expand
2,411		K-pop (talk)						Unencyclopaedic
61		Assassination of John F. Kennedy in popular culture (talk)						Unencyclopaedic
10		Tancheon (talk)						Unencyclopaedic
3		Nonsan–Cheonan Expressway (talk)						Merge
60		Stock corporation (talk)						Merge
791		Telephone number (talk)						Merge
194		Jung Hye-young (talk)						Wikify
52		Rail transport in Russia (talk)						Wikify
882		Caroline Flack (talk)						Wikify
3		Midan City (talk)						Orphan
1		October 2005 in rail transport (talk)						Orphan
1		Nokdong Station (talk)						Orphan
6		Janghang Line (talk)						Stub
4		Choji Station (talk)						Stub
6		Cheonan Station (talk)						Stub
6		Jeondae · Everland Station (talk)						Stub
4		Mangpo Station (talk)						Stub
3		Bujeon Station (talk)						Stub

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VE newsletter

Hey Hym411

We just deployed another VisualEditor release; bugs fixed include:

• Firefox 13/14 has been temporarily blacklisted, to avoid the insertion of broken links [[./that look like this]] (50720)
• Changing a reference in a template should no longer produce the bright red "you don't have a references block!" error (bugzilla:50423)
• Notices are now shown if you're editing a protected or semi-protected page (bugzilla:50415)
• The template inspector will no longer invite you to insert parameters that are already being used (50715)
• Same as above, but with aliases (50717)
• Parameter names in the template dialogue now word-wrap (50800)
• The link inspector will not show in the top left if you hit the return key while opening it (49941)
• Hitting return twice in the link editor will no longer introduce a new line that overwrites the link (51075)
• Oddly-named categories no longer cause corruption (50702)
• The toolbar no longer occasionally covers the cursor (48787)
• Changing the formatting of text no longer occasionally scrolls you upwards (50792)

Not specific bugs, but other things; cacheing is now improved, so people should stop seeing temporary breaking when the VisualEditor updates, and RTL support has received some patches. I hope this newsletter is helpful to people; I'll send out another one with the next deployment :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 10:19, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter

Hey Hym411! Another set of patches :). Today we have:

• Required template parameters are now automatically added to new templates (50747)
• Templates with piped links now display correctly when you alter them (50801)
• If your edit token expires, you're now informed of it (50424).

  You still won't be able to save - that's due to be fixed on Monday :).

More on Monday, I suspect. Hope you have a good weekend :). I should also have some news about the IP launch pretty soon. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 13:28, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

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I patrolled your page. I went through the enormously-backlogged list of newly-created pages and confirmed that your page was okay: not spam, not an attack page, not a copyright violation, not any of the other reasons for which I would delete someone's page without asking. Then I clicked "patrolled" to remove it from the list of "pages that have not yet been patrolled", and moved on to the next entry. That's all. DS (talk) 11:13, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I understood. Thanks. --레비Revi^Discuss_{SUL Info} 13:19, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter

Hey Hym411; hope you had a decent weekend :). We've got a pile of patches, some of which went out on Monday, some yesterday:

• If you insert wikitext such as links or section headers, you get a notice in the top right corner (over the save button). It doesn't go away until click, though once dismissed you don't get another one that edit. (49820)
• If your edit token expires, VE fetches a new one for you so you can save. (50424)
• If the page is empty of content but does have something non-content (like a category or an HTML comment), VE no longer crashes on load - (50289)
• sub tags are no longer removed ((49873)
• If you type at the end of links, they now extend
• Templates now only take a single click to insert
• Clear annotations clears links (50461)
• The link inspector stays open when you click to another item (50895)
• Typing after multi-byte characters no longer creats pawn icons (51140)
• Resizing thumbnails that have a default size set now works (50645)
• References made by tag:ref now display properly (bugzilla:50978)
• The VE is integrated with the spam blacklist (50826)
• Feedbacl link goes to the right language (bugzilla:47730)

There are a lot more improvements coming, but that's it for Monday and Tuesday. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 08:29, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

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VE newsletter

Hey Hym411. The newest updates:

• Links now don't extend over space/punctuation/workbreaks when you type (bugzilla:51463)
• Users with the "minoredit" preference set get working functionality (bugzilla:51515)
• You can tab to buttons in dialogs, including the save dialog (bugzilla:50047)
• We now show the <newarticletext> (or <newarticletextanon>) message as an edit notice (bugzilla:51459)
• You can scroll dialog panels like in transclusions' templates' parameter listings (bugzilla:51739)
• Templates that only create meta-data and no display content at all (like Template:Use dmy dates) now can't be deleted accidentally or deliberately, but still don't show up (bugzilla:51322)
• FlaggedRevisions integration (bugzilla:49699)
• Edit summary will get the section title pre-added if you launched from a section edit link (bugzilla:50872)

Along with some miscellaneous language support fixes. That's all for today; as always, let us know if you spot more bugs. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 22:04, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

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16		Saemaul-ho (talk)						Add sources
2		Yongmun Station (talk)						Add sources
2		Sanggal Station (talk)						Add sources
1,723		Confucianism (talk)						Add sources
2		Guseong Station (talk)						Add sources
119		Troon (talk)						Add sources
152		Jung Hye-young (talk)						Cleanup
4		Euh Yoon-dae (talk)						Cleanup
108		Mokpo (talk)						Cleanup
4		Hanyang University at Ansan Station (talk)						Expand
6,840		South Korea (talk)						Expand
1		Korail Airport Railroad Corporation (talk)						Expand
345		Yi Sun-sin (talk)						Unencyclopaedic
3,115		Korea (talk)						Unencyclopaedic
18		Jiandao (talk)						Unencyclopaedic
2		Nonsan–Cheonan Expressway (talk)						Merge
3		Mike Rowland (talk)						Merge
73		Chicago Cubs minor league players (talk)						Merge
2		Chang Deok-soo (talk)						Wikify
10		Soonchunhyang University (talk)						Wikify
680		Caroline Flack (talk)						Wikify
1		Nokdong Station (talk)						Orphan
1		Yun Chi-sung (talk)						Orphan
1		Yeom Dong-jin (talk)						Orphan
6		Janghang Line (talk)						Stub
4		Cheonan Station (talk)						Stub
5		Gyeongwon Line (talk)						Stub
2		Seodongtan Station (talk)						Stub
3		Bujeon Station (talk)						Stub
1		Myongji University Station (talk)						Stub

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We have changed the number of suggested articles and which categories they are selected from. The number of stubs has been greatly reduced, the number of articles needing sources doubled, and two new categories added (orphans and unencyclopaedic articles). We have also modified the layout of the suggestions and added sortable columns with various types of information about each article. The first two columns are:

Views/Day

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Quality

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Content

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Headings

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Images

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Links

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Sources

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VisualEditor newsletter for 06 August 2013

It's been almost two weeks since the last newsletter, and a lot of improvements have been made during that time. The main things that people have noticed are significant improvements to speed for typing into long pages (T54012), scrolling (T54014) and deleting (T54013) on large pages. There have also been improvements to references, with the latest being support for list-defined references, which are <ref>s defined inside a <references> block (T53741). Users of Opera 12 and higher have had their web browser removed from the browser black-list, mostly as a result of work by a volunteer developer (T38000). Opera has not been fully white-listed yet, so these users will get an additional warning and request to report problems.

Significant changes were made to the user interface to de-emphasize VisualEditor. This has cut the use of VisualEditor by approximately one-third. You can read about these at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Updates/August 1, 2013, but they include:

• Re-ordering links to the editors to put "Edit source" first and VisualEditor second
• Renaming the link for VisualEditor to "Edit^beta"
• Disabling the animation for section editing.
• Changing all labels for the classic wikitext editor to say "Edit source", regardless of namespace.

There have also been many smaller fixes, including these:

• Horizontal alignment of images working correctly on more pages (T53995)
• Categories with ':'s in their names (like Category:Wikipedia:Privacy) now work correctly (T53902)
• Magic JavaScript gadgets and tools like sortable tables will now work once the page is saved (T53565)
• Keyboard shortcut for "clear annotations" - now Control+\ or ⌘ Command+\ (T53507)
• Fixed corruption bugs that led to duplicate categories (T54238) and improper collapsing when multiple new references were added in a row (T54228).
• Improvements to display elements: The save dialog in Monobook is restored to normal size (T52058), pop-up notices on save now look the same in VisualEditor as in wikitext editor (T41632), and the popup about using wikitext has a link to the definition of wikitext that now opens in a new window (T54093)

Most of the Wikimedia Foundation staff is traveling this week and next, so no updates are expected until at least August 15th. If you're going to be in Hong Kong for Wikimania 2013, say hello to James Forrester, Philippe Beaudette, and the other members of the VisualEditor team.

As always, if you have questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 23:24, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

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Some bubble tea for you!

Bubble tea! Always makes me laugh, I bet if I was to drink it, I'd float away in the bubbles! Technical 13 (talk) 01:22, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! by 레비Revi^Discuss_{SUL Info} at 03:43, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter for 21 August 2013

Both VisualEditor and MediaWiki were upgraded recently. For VisualEditor, this is the long-awaited post-Wikimania update with many bug fixes and enhancements. Work also continues on speed at opening and during use, as well as on the bugs reported here and at other Wikipedias. The full report is at Mediawiki.

References are displaying properly, even when nested (T52749) or in image captions (T2000. Reference lists are now always fully populated with references (bug 50094). Firefox users can insert an existing reference in the first paragraph (T54159). Opera users no longer see corruption of categories when a reference was added (bug 50385).

Stray spaces are being stripped from the start of paragraphs to end one of the common <nowiki> problems (T53462). We also fixed a round-tripping bug that caused desirable whitespace in templates (used to make templates more legible, e.g., by putting each parameter in an infobox on a separate line) to get corrupted (bug 51150).

Wikilink handling was improved. Users are not allowed to create internal links to invalid titles (titles that are actually impossible due to limits on acceptable character combinations in titles, not redlinks) (T35094). You can extend wikilinks, but it won't do so over a wordbreak (like a space) (bugs 49931 and 51463).

A handful of fixes to the user interface were made. The toolbar doesn't float over personal tools after opening a dialog or the inspector (T54441). Toolbars were also re-written to be collapsible/expandable, with room for more icons. Buttons in dialogs can now be activated using the Tab ↹ and ⇧ Shift+Tab ↹ key commands (bug 50047). This saves time for editors, because you don't need to take your hands off the keyboard to click a button. We fixed a handful of bugs that affected only certain articles or certain browsers, including toolbar buttons in Firefox (bug 51986) and dialog panels that didn't always scroll correctly (bug 51739). Bugs with undo/redo getting confused have been fixed (T54113).

Images, in addition to getting references displaying correctly, also saw improvements with a set-empty |link= parameter no longer corrupted (51963). We corrected thumbnail images' display so that they look don't wrong in some contexts (bug 51995). Inserted images no longer explicitly set their alignment, but instead inherit the default position in compliance with the Manual of Style (bug 51851).

More edit notices, warnings, and metadata like information about Pending Changes on an article now appear as appropriate (bug 49699). When new articles are created, users are now shown the <newarticletext> message (bug 51459). VisualEditor now handles templates that set "meta" items (like a category) and nothing else better (bug 51322). If the database is locked when a user tries to save with VisualEditor, they now get a message telling them as such and an opportunity to try again, rather than a silent failure (bug 51636).

When you save the page, having the default preference set to "mark all my edits as minor by default" no longer overrides the setting in the save dialog (bug 51515). If you open VisualEditor from a section edit link, the section's title will be pre-filled in in the edit summary box when you go to save it (bug 50872). The size of the save dialog box in the Monobook skin has been fixed (bug 50058). Also, wikipage content handlers like sortable tables are re-run automatically after saving (T53565).

A very early version of the mathematics equation editor is now available for testing on mw:Mediawiki. If you would like to help improve the user interface for math editor, please test out the extension at mw:Mediawiki:Sandbox and leave your comments directly at the discussion page for the Math Node User Interface at Mediawiki. You should be able to use your regular username and password should to login to Mediawiki.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 17:41, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

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Views/Day	Quality	Title	Content	Headings	Images	Links	Sources	Tagged with…
2		Woninjae Station (talk)						Add sources
366		Celtic Thunder (talk)						Add sources
5		Gyeyang Station (talk)						Add sources
762		Incheon International Airport (talk)						Add sources
1		Hogupo Station (talk)						Add sources
32		Mugunghwa-ho (talk)						Add sources
92		Something wicked this way comes (phrase) (talk)						Cleanup
25		Chang Myon (talk)						Cleanup
9		Yun Chi-ho (talk)						Cleanup
39		Busan Station (talk)						Expand
31		Gangnam Station (talk)						Expand
3		Changwon Station (talk)						Expand
175		Chun Doo-hwan (talk)						Unencyclopaedic
6		Index of masculism topics (talk)						Unencyclopaedic
7		Tancheon (talk)						Unencyclopaedic
47		Stock corporation (talk)						Merge
90		Men and feminism (talk)						Merge
24		Colorado Railcar (talk)						Merge
23		Helen Kim (talk)						Wikify
74		Justin Miller (baseball, born 1977) (talk)						Wikify
47		Korean nationalism (talk)						Wikify
1		Park Jong-yang (talk)						Orphan
1		Leader's View (talk)						Orphan
2		Sunwoo Hwe (talk)						Orphan
18		Man of Korea (talk)						Stub
4		Byeongjeom Station (talk)						Stub
48		Brendan Graham (talk)						Stub
2		Songdo Station (talk)						Stub
1		Incheon Nonhyeon Station (talk)						Stub
3		Greater Korea (talk)						Stub

Changes to SuggestBot's suggestions

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Views/Day

Daily average number of views an article's had over the past 14 days.

Quality

Predicted article quality on a 1- to 3-star scale. Placing your cursor over the stars should give you a pop-up describing the article's quality (Low/Medium/High), current assessment class, and predicted assessment class.

The method we use to predict article quality also allows us to assess whether an article might need specific types of work in order to improve its quality. The work needed might not correspond to cleanup tags added to the article, since our method is not based on those. We have added five columns reflecting this work assessment, where a red X indicates improvement is needed. Placing your cursor over an X should give you a pop-up with a short description of the work needed. The five columns seek to answer the following five questions:

Content

Is more content needed?

Headings

Does this article have an appropriate section structure?

Images

Is the number of illustrative images about right?

Links

Does this article link to enough other Wikipedia articles?

Sources

For its length, is there an appropriate number of citations to sources in this article?

SuggestBot picks articles in a number of ways based on other articles you've edited, including straight text similarity, following wikilinks, and matching your editing patterns against those of other Wikipedians. It tries to recommend only articles that other Wikipedians have marked as needing work. We appreciate that you have signed up to receive suggestions regularly, your contributions make Wikipedia better — thanks for helping!

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