User talk:Anomie/Archives/2020

Multi-page POTD

Does your bot know how to handled Template:POTD/2020-01-04 or should I create the protected versions manually? --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 23:51, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, the bot does know how to handle them when the random selection is done exactly as you have it there. Anomie⚔ 14:06, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

BAG needed to review a possibly malfunctioning bot

• Changing of section header to nonsense
• Removal of a comment tag meant to disable it
• Changing wiki-text italics to HTML tags

I did leave a message on the operator's page User talk:Magnus Manske#zzzother, but feel that the bot may need disabled until it's fixed instead. If not a BAG member I don't know who to contact about a potentially bad bot. Jerod Lycett (talk) 18:48, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Jerodlycett: if the operator is unresponsive, or if you are at an impasse with them please post at WP:BOTN. — xaosflux ^Talk 19:14, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Rules for establishing template maintenance categories

I've been seeing how certain categories like Category:Wikipedia articles with style issues by month keep articles tagged with multiple different templates (27 in that case), but other categories like Category:Articles with neologism issues keep those tagged with only one. I don't know what the standard is and couldn't find anything in documentation, only a guide on how to actually establish monthly categories. I've been seeing some inline templates without categories that look like they could really do with one and have been eager to add them. To me, a lot of the clumping categories look somewhat useless to me, because I can't ascertain whether an article inside it is dealing with, as in the above example, a {{Colloquial}} issue, an {{Example farm}} issue or a {{Long quote}} issue. I'm very eager to create independent categories for each of those templates. Could there be a one-template–one-category rule of thumb, with obvious exceptions for clearly related templates like inline versions of box templates or those describing the same issue in different words? Or indeed, should the population of transclusions of each template matter (I don't believe so, since an empty template maintenance category means a job well done, and it will just fill up again anyway)? Or should all templates point to some existing category that vaguely fits? I wanted to know before I touch any of those categories or establish new ones, since it appears you are the master of maintenance categories (I'd already established one though). · • SUM1 • · (talk) 18:52, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Correction: I realised that {{Example farm}} places articles in Category:Articles with too many examples, but the same still applies for the other two there, and many more. I've also found an undocumented issue (at least, one I can't get data for in any way I know): lots of templates place articles in a category, say Category:Articles with minor POV problems, but are not listed on that category page. Moreover, not all of them can be located through 'What links here?', since some of them do not link to the category by mentioning its name on their documentation page; they only place it in, silently. I've encountered tonnes of these while looking at Category:Inline cleanup templates and once again wish to place them in a more specific category. · • SUM1 • · (talk) 19:04, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

If there are rules, I don't know of them. You might try asking on one of the Village pumps, or maybe the help desk. Anomie⚔ 20:09, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

For maintenance categories assigned by templates that do not explain how they are assigned, it is generally useful to edit the category page and add a short note like "This category is automatically assigned to pages by {{foo}}." If you can explain how to remove the article from the category (e.g. "To remove an article from this category, do xxx."), that is even better. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:30, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: I will definitely do that, once I've sorted out this much bigger issue of whether I'm even allowed to establish certain categories or change to more specific ones. · • SUM1 • · (talk) 23:26, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Done, at WP:VPP. · • SUM1 • · (talk) 23:26, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Anomie, you have a guide on how to create dated maintenance categories (which was very helpful); I haven't found a corresponding guide or documentation for how to rename maintenance categories (if the request is approved of course). I don't know which of the multiple linked categories need to be updated vs. which are handled by AnomieBOT or an administrator. · • SUM1 • · (talk) 23:46, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Pages to update after adding date functionality to templates

I noticed you had to do something that I'd missed when adding date functionality to two templates. I had no idea and don't think I could've known as someone relatively new (compared to you) to template editing. I wanted to ask, are there any other things I need to make sure I do when adding date functionality to templates, and how could I have known to do this? Also, regarding that article size over-limit incident, is there anything I could've possibly done to reasonably foresee that? Thank you. · • SUM1 • · (talk) 19:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

The guide you linked in the previous section lists everything that needs to be done. Adding to Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Dated templates is mentioned under Issue templates and again under Testing.

I don't think there's anything you could have done to foresee the issue on List of United States Representatives from Pennsylvania. That's just a huge number of copies of the one template. Anomie⚔ 00:46, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

@Anomie: Thank you, I missed that. Also, referring to my question in the previous section, is there anything technical I need to consider when requesting a maintenance category rename or do I just make the request and let the admins/bot handle it? · • SUM1 • · (talk) 08:16, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

@SUM1: You should follow the naming conventions in the guide, and make sure all the different pieces get renamed and updated as necessary. Other than that, just follow the usual processes. Anomie⚔ 14:02, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

QUnit example extensions

Hi Anomie, do you know of any extensions which use qunit for their JS unit testing? I'm trying to figure out how to write unit tests for modules and the mediawiki documentation hasn't helped me very much. Thanks! — Wug·a·po·des​ 22:10, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

@Wugapodes: Probably the thing to do is search for "qunit" with the codesearch tool. Anomie⚔ 00:12, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Didn't know about that. Thanks! — Wug·a·po·des​ 01:17, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

OAuth Applications

I was trying to get an OAuth key and secret for setting up a local development on my machine. But I have to try a few times before getting the working OAuth (as everytime I got callback URL incorrent and it can not be changed after). So in the process I created 6 applications from which only the last one will be required by me. So I request you to disable/reject the five other, which are listed as : list
P.S. - Please do not disable the last application that is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:OAuthListConsumers/view/29ff9ac5aefc1e8917141d13088626f7 Thank you. - Sanyam.wikime (talk) 15:59, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

OAuth approvals are handled now by Stewards. You might ask for help at m:Steward requests/Miscellaneous. Anomie⚔ 02:03, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Determined IP with a grudge?

I've rollbacked this lot. Thought you'd like to know. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:43, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for rolling back. I saw it on my watchlist too. No idea what the IP was trying to do there; Special:Diff/943643431 is suggestive, but I don't see anything touched by that IP and by AnomieBOT. Anomie⚔ 12:25, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Account rename

Hi, I've filed a request and the bot said no issues spotted. Is it possible somebody could move it? I've redesigned my user page in advance!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:01, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

I see it has worked out for you. Anomie⚔ 23:46, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerrit reviewers

Hi Anomie,

It seems your Gerrit account has been disabled; as this breaks the reviewer bot, I've commented-out your entries on the reviewers page. Could you take a look to see why and re-enable or remove the entries from the page? Thanks!

Valhallasw (talk) 13:59, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

File:Flag of Japan.svg listed for discussion

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Nomination for merging of Module:String

Module:String has been nominated for merging with Module:HTMLDecode. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the module's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:12, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Email

Hi Anomie, I sent an email a week or so ago and didn't hear back which is fine but wanted to make sure in case it went to spam ping me and I can resend. -- GreenC 15:29, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Jacob Galea

Hi can you help me with removing the Paid editing tag? I don't see what is causing this tag. Sanjida more (talk) 04:15, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

15th Anniversary on Wikipedia!

Hey, Anomie. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Chris Troutman (talk) 15:03, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Fifteen Year Society

Dear Anomie/Archives/2020,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Fifteen Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for fifteen years or more. ​

Best regards, Chris Troutman (talk) 15:03, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Can you tell me one thing

@Anomie:can you tell me how to make a bot!! XxPixel WarriorxX (talk) 11:23, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)@XxPixel WarriorxX: Please read WP:BOT, then WP:BOTPOL and then WP:MKBOT. Only go ahead if you are certain that you can justify it. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Australian Studies Tag

Hi! Thank you for making a tag on the 'Australian Studies' page about some citations I missed. I have added in the correct citations now. Regards Asel1234 (talk) 28 May 2020 —Preceding undated comment added 04:30, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Module-parseable User:AnomieBOT/EDITREQTable?

Hello!

I was thinking today how nice it would be if {{Request edit}} told users their rank in the queue as of a certain date. That is to say, to have a display, right under 𝑛 requests waiting for review, (probably in {{small}},) reading something like, As of 2020-05-30 00:01, this article is the 𝑥^th oldest in the queue. This way, while waiting for an WP:ER answer, users could see some progress and not become discouraged by queue shrinking and growing but their request remaining unanswered for weeks.

Probably the easiest way is via a User:AnomieBOT/EDITREQTable that a Lua module can more easily parse. What do you think? Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 19:18, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

It might be misleading since it's not actually a queue. What do people who regularly use/process edit requests think? Anomie⚔ 22:50, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@Anomie: Good point. Simple rewrite: As of 2020-05-30 00:01, this article is the 𝑥^th oldest edit request. Like all backlogs, I was under the impression that editors who have time are encouraged to handle the oldest unhandled entries first; so age should be a good general proxy for priority. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 23:10, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, this is definitely not a queue. Usually stuff that ends up being "oldest" ends up being "hardest" or "least obvious" (as to consensus if not implementation), and that's probably not the best MO for working on edit requests.

I do think it might be nice to have a machine-readable formatted list (Lua table, JSON) so that someone could create their own representation of the queues (I know that I have an experiment in my sandbox that would require some other work in the bot to permit), but that representation of course wouldn't be human readable, and changes to the table page are the primary trigger for me to work on it (so I would lose watchability). --Izno (talk) 23:42, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Nice job on becoming a Admin! Isthisarandomaccountwellyes (talk) 14:17, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

That was eight and a half years ago, two weeks before I became an admin also. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:41, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Still, it was a nice job! :-D Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 19:14, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

No orphaned refs

Hello, can you provide an acceptable reason for this edit by AnomieBOT? The reason provided for the edit was: Rescuing orphaned refs ("encyclopedia" from rev 960581043). Kindly note that there was no orphaned refs. Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 13:32, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

There was, in fact, an orphaned ref: Special:PermaLink/962511127#cite_note-encyclopedia-7. Anomie⚔ 16:38, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Amazing how I missed that even on a second look! Thank you for correcting me )) Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 11:05, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Funny, I just came here after noticing AnomieBOT rescue an orphan to say thank you for coding/maintaining that, it is one of the most useful bot tasks ever. It saves a ton of time to not have to do that manually. And even if it's been doing it for a long time, still, you deserve thanks for keeping it going. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 19:16, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Nury Turkel

Hey- I'd like to work on the Nury Turkel page. Can you restore it as a draft so I can work on it? Thanks for any help. Geographyinitiative (talk) 13:02, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey- I know you are on a Wikibreak, but I'd like to request a favor. I know the Nury Turkel page is probably just a redirect, but I would like to restore the Nury Turkel page so we can see the history and expand it (or potentially keep it as a redirect). [1] Geographyinitiative (talk) 21:28, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, could you restore the Nury Turkel page as a draft? I'm sure I could make it Wikipedia worthy. How can I get this page restored as a draft? Mr. Turkel recently became a commissioner for the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom. [2]

Geographyinitiative (talk) 21:20, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

help with AWB/bot

Hi. I hope you are doing well.
I recently filed a BRFA. I am aware you are in the BAG. But I am asking you this question because I think you can help me with it, as your bot does the same thing (but it is programmed in perl). In the previous BRFA, I had a problematic edit: special:diff/843217671. At that time, I thought the talkpage banner was posted out of the banner shell because the {{WikiProject Banner Shell| parameter didnt have |1= in it.

Then I made a successful edit with same situation: special:diff/969699784. In this edit, 1= parameter was missing too, and my edit added it; and placed the project banner inside the shell. If there are two banners already present, then the edit is successfully adding banner shell to the talkpage: special:diff/969697871.

But the previous issue still exists. I just realised that sometimes (not always) the banner is being placed outside the shell even if everything looks fine: special:diff/970023480. Apparently, it successfully adds the 1= parameter when it is missing (every time, I checked this without saving the edits). But I am not sure what is causing the banner to be placed outside the shell sometimes. What do you think? I couldnt find any differences in successful vs problematic edits.

Also, is there any way to tell the AWB to place the banner inside the shell if there is shell present? I skimmed through Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Regular expression, but couldn't find a solution. I hope you can help.

Here is the regex/module I've been using:

public string ProcessArticle(string ArticleText, string ArticleTitle, int wikiNamespace, out string Summary, out bool Skip)
        {
            Regex header = new Regex(@"\{\{{WikiProject Organized crime|{{WikiProject Organized Crime|{{WikiProject Fictional characters|{{Comicsproj|{{WikiProject Film|{{Film|{{WikiProject Video games|{{WikiProject Television|{{WPTV|{{WP Fictional|{{WikiProject Novels|{{WikiProject Anime|{{TelevisionWikiProject|{{WPFILM|{{WikiProject Songs|{{WP film|{{WPBooks|{{WikiProject Cities|{{NovelsWikiProject", RegexOptions.IgnoreCase);
            Summary = "Added banner for [[WP:WikiProject Organized Crime]]";
            Skip = (header.Match(ArticleText).Success || !Namespace.IsTalk(ArticleTitle));
            if (!Skip)
                ArticleText = "{{WikiProject Organized Crime}} \r" + ArticleText;
            return ArticleText;
        }

—usernamekiran (talk) 19:57, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi. The issue has been resolved I have explained it in the BRFA. —usernamekiran (talk) 14:42, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

I love penguins! SamMontana (talk) 06:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

edit conflicts, again

Twice today I have had over half an hour's worth of complicated copy edits overridden by a date added to a tag. The first one I managed to reconstruct, which took longer than the original edit. For reasons that are not clear to me, the second time lost everything, and I no longer have the enthusiasm to try to fix it. Is it not possible to get the system to prioritise content building edits over bot date additions as default? · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 12:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) When you get an edit conflict from this bot, which happens to me occasionally, just copy your text into the editing box and save it. The bot will return to the article, and it won't mind at all. The best ways to avoid edit conflicts are to save more often and edit in sections. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:35, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

You can also use {{inuse}} if you're planning on doing an involved edit to the article. AnomieBOT's TagDater task will see the page's membership in Category:Pages actively undergoing a major edit and wait for two hours of inactivity before dating the article rather than the default 20 minutes. AnomieBOT's OrphanReferenceFixer also honors it, again waiting for two hours of inactivity versus the default 10 minutes. Anomie⚔ 13:43, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

A Manual of Religious Belief

Hello, I note the tag that this article is in 'essay style'. I have read through the policy link and I don't see the problem. I am happy ot improe the article. Could you provide a 'corrected' example to assist? Rosser Gruffydd 08:24, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Why are you asking me? I had nothing to do with that article, nor any interest in it. Anomie⚔ 10:49, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

@Rosser1954: It was actually Esprit15d who placed that tag. You should ask her instead. Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:44, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Arbitration archiving

Hey Anomie, the arbitration clerks have recently adopted a small formatting change for arbitration announcements. Specifically, we're using {{slink}} for the "Discuss this" links on the arbitration noticeboard. You can see an example here. Could you update AnomieBot to recognize those links in {{slink}} and to use that template when changing links to reflect archived discussions? Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 18:24, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

The bot will preserve the existing style of link, it will not convert plain links to {{slink}} or vice versa. Supporting both methods was annoying enough. I hope you don't intend to use the multiple sections or suppressing page name features, as that will not work. Anomie⚔ 02:31, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Anomie, sorry for the hassle and thanks for the change – we will not be using the multiple sections or suppressing page name features. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 17:57, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:User is blocked

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A tag has been placed on Template:User is blocked requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion discussion, at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 April 17. When a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after a discussion, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

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Ugh, sorry for the template above. This template wasn’t being actively used until today when someone decided to resurrect it. It seems to be covered by the TfD above, so I tagged it as G4, but I can re: TfD if you want. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:35, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't see where it was discussed at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 April 17; Template:Blocked user seems to have been significantly different.

I have no objection to deletion of the template, it was created for just one purpose from which it seems to have been orphaned with Special:Diff/408409114 back in 2011. OTOH, I see at least one existing use that could be valid. I don't see a CSD criteria that would apply, unfortunately. Anomie⚔ 20:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

I think G4 applies since while not discussed the intent of that discussion was to get rid of tags that were stating that someone was just blocked. It was only not included by oversight because it was orphaned. I don’t really think the graphics used matter in terms of the criterion, but I also don’t have a problem taking it to TfD. I’ll go ahead and do that now: thanks for the response. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:22, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Wishing Anomie a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Megan☺️ ^{Talk to the monster} 10:31, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Precious

person behind the bots

Thank you for quality gnomish work of the bots you run, and the offer to create more, for dealing with redirects for discussion and adding redirect templates, for care for articles about video games, for a start with knock knock in 2005, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2457 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:15, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Awesome

Ten years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:08, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Recent comment at WT:Lua

I just wanted to follow up here to this interaction. Was your issue with the ping I left:

• That you were called Mr. Scribunto, or
• That you don't want to be asked for help with Lua/MediaWiki's integration with Lua?

I didn't mean to offend there if the first -- I personally used the term because I associate you with Knowledge of Things Lua and certainly did not mean it in any sense to be related to your former employer or your then/earlier job of maintaining the extension (the leaving from which I did know of). If it was the second, I would be disappointed to hear that, but you get to define the terms of your wiki engagement. --Izno (talk) 22:47, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Izno: I wasn't really offended, sorry that I came across that way. I'll still answer what questions I can, particularly in the context of on-wiki module editing, but I don't intend to spend much time digging into issues with the code anymore since I'd rather not give free labor to an organization that treated me so poorly in the end. Anomie⚔ 13:47, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear about the poor treatment—I wish the WMF were less predictable. Thanks very much for your excellent work with Scribunto, and no doubt with other things that I never saw. Johnuniq (talk) 02:51, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

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extensionTag + inputbox

Is there another way to make the arguments for the extensionTag function? Inputbox has two arguments type and break which Lua seems to be tripping over (which I can see why). Code I was playing with was the below for Module:Administrators' noticeboard archives/sandbox.

mw.getCurrentFrame():extensionTag{ name = 'inputbox' , args = {
	bgcolor = 'transparent',
	type = 'fulltext',
	prefix = 'Wikipedia:Administrators\' noticeboard',
	break = 'yes',
	width = '32',
	searchbuttonlabel = 'Search',
	placeholder = 'Search noticeboards archives'
}}

--Izno (talk) 21:05, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Lua does not accept a keyword like "break" in the syntax above. Replace it with ['break']. Same for type. Johnuniq (talk) 23:30, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Bah, I swear I tried that. Thanks. --Izno (talk) 17:43, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Everyone uses your tools - I hope you know how much the community appreciates your contributions! Thank you so much! Ikjbagl (talk) 01:11, 18 October 2020 (UTC)