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Proposed deletion of Tsuen Wan Transport Complex

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I believe it is only hours after I created the article when you propose this article to be deleted, so why can't there be more time for me to improve the article? Must I finish the article in 1 day? There's tons of disused london underground stations and they all have an article so "disused" really isn't a proper reason for deleting it. btw why do you think it's non-notable? it has its own page at the chinese wikipedia.Devilreborn (talk) 04:01, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

The article should be complete before it is added to Wikipedia. That is what sandboxes are for. Any article in Wikipedia is subject to review and possible deletion. WWGB (talk) 08:15, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

ok sorry... this is only my first articleDevilreborn (talk) 10:15, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:MTRinterchange/TSW/Minibus

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Using graphics in place of text

Let me applaud the ingenuity of your new template, but using it in articles is ill advised.

Please do not use graphics alone to convey meaning, especially when those graphics are not intuitive to a wide audience. In the case of the highway marker graphics, for instance, the meaning of the graphic is also conveyed through the text next to it. In fact, if {{jct}} stopped displaying any graphics tomorrow, readers would still receive the intended information through the text alone. Those graphics though do quite faithfully mimic actual signage concepts used widely in the world, so they should be somewhat intuitive for our end readers.

Please remember, not all readers use traditional desktop/laptop computers to read Wikipedia. Those on mobile devices cannot hover a cursor over a graphic to get a tooltip to explain the meaning of a graphic, and alt text isn't always displayed. Especially on longer tables, the key could be a screen or two away below the content.

Additionally, the content being replaced properly belongs in the notes column of the exit list per MOS:RJL, not in the destinations column. Putting the graphics in the wrong column will impact those end users relying on screen reader software to read them the content of the table because it's a bit out of context and in a surprising location.

Again, I applaud the ingenuity of your new template, but it is not compatible with the MOS which has been refined over many years to display several best practices for a wide variety of readers. Imzadi 1979 → 16:21, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

My biggest concern is that the current text descriptions of missing on/off ramps is hard to read and decipher.

I assume that most interchanges in the US and most other countries do not have missing ramps, so the "Notes" column will only contain missing ramp information once every few rows.

Hong Kong (as you might have noticed) is basically the opposite; the vast majority of interchanges have missing ramps. This means the "Notes" column is filled with such information on nearly every row. This raises the following issues:

• Easy to confuse the text with adjacent rows, especially when spelling is similar (e.g. "eastbound" vs "westbound");
• Using cardinal directions may not be intuitive (i.e. when the highway is U-shaped);
• Long text descriptions gets cut into multiple lines on small screens / mobile devices, further reducing readability.

In my honest opinion, given the highly asymmetrical nature of highway interchanges in Hong Kong, the best way in this particular scenario would be to display destinations separately for both carriageways; which is exactly the approach used in junctions lists in Chinese Wikipedia, as well as the official route diagrams published by the Transport Department. Nevertheless, it appears that the consensus in English Wikipedia is to follow MOS:RJL for highways in all countries, which inadvertently leads to the issues I have explained above.

I understand your point that graphics should not fully replace text, and I won't bother adding graphics again (the text is here to stay so adding extra symbols will only further clutter things up). Nevertheless, I believe some of the text descriptions of missing ramps could perhaps be revised:

• "Southbound entrance and northbound exit only" -> "Towards / from (southern endpoint locality)"
• "Eastbound exit only" -> "From (western endpoint locality)"

Eisenphilie (talk) 17:31, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

As I noted on the talk page, the notes could use a copy edit for consistency and accuracy. The fact that they may be repetitive from one row to another should not be a consideration. I would rather see repetitive, but correct, notes than confusing notes. Imzadi 1979 → 05:13, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Regarding your message on the talk page, I'm afraid that I cannot agree with your claim that "Northbound entrance and southbound exit" or similar is so easy to understand. If the interchange is located on a east-west (or diagonal) road section, one needs to additionally consider which way is actually northbound or southbound.

In any case I think it is best for me to take a break from editing the junction list at the moment. Eisenphilie (talk) 06:53, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

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