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Referencing at Baroque music

Hi Dianna. If you have time, could you have a glance at Talk:Baroque music#Reference reorganization? Thanks in advance. Cheers. GFHandel ♬  20:04, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I think those folks don't know very much about referencing systems; one editor uses Beethoven as an example when it contains stuff like <ref name="Cooper43">[[#Cooper|Cooper (2008)]], p. 43</ref> which is about as primitive as it gets. {{harvnb}} templates would be a step up from that, but {{sfn}} are superior, of course, because of the automatic collating. You could point them at Ernest Shackleton or any of the Rabbi's other work as better examples of what to do. Sorry I don't have the time or inclination to get involved in that article right now as the end is in sight on Manstein and I am doing quite a bit of admin chores on images lately as well. Best wishes, -- Dianna (talk) 00:54, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I made your suggestion there, but it didn't go down too well. (In fact that post had an edit comment of "thanks for a good example of bad referencing formats".) GFHandel ♬  21:07, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I had a feeling something like that might happen; that's why I don't have time to get involved. The reason some of the works by Shackleton are differentiated by title is because there was more than one work by that author with the same publication year (1919). -- Dianna (talk) 21:27, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators/September 2012

Hi, Diannaa. I'm leaving this message to encourage you to consider adding your name to the list of coordinators currently being considered for the upcoming Military history Wikiproject coordinator election. It is my belief that you will make an outstanding coordinator for the milhist project, and would be a valuable and beneficial member to the milhist coordinator team. Of course it is ultimately your decision as to whether you will run or not, but know that as a librarian and a GOCE Coordinator Emeritus you have a very unique skill set that would be of extraordinary benefit to the team.

If you have any questions about the position or its duties/responsibilities please do not hesitate to drop me a line on my talk page or email. I would be happy to answer your question(s) as best I can. If you decide that you would rather not run then I will simple encourage you to vote when the option to do so is made available.

Yours very sincerely and respectfully,

TomStar81 (Talk) 08:49, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

I see that you either decided not to run or were unable to get your name on the candidate list before the election phase began. Regardless of which of the above is true I hope you will keep the option of running in next year's election in mind, and I wish you the best in your wiki-endeavors. Sincerely, TomStar81 (Talk) 21:09, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Tom. I decided not to run, because after a long tenure service as coordinator of the GOCE, I feel like I have to pursue my own interests for a while to keep my interest level high. Thanks for thinking of me. :) -- Dianna (talk) 21:11, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

		Your Opinion is More Important than You Think Barnstar
		I can relate to that quite well, as I am coming off my own 12 month hiatus from the coordinator's circle. It is not per se hard work, but the work is both time consuming and tedious, so I can certainly understand a desire to pursue your own interests. Stay safe, and I will see you along the wiki-road. In the mean time, for your reply to my request and the polite turn down that accompanied it, I present you with the Your Opinion is More Important than You Think Barnstar. TomStar81 (Talk) 21:31, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Tom. -- Dianna (talk) 21:34, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Duchess of Cambridge

Thank you Diannaa. Martinvl (talk) 19:22, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

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File:Erwin Panofsky.jpg

One of Ceoil's tells

Diannaa, renounded poker shark, never makes the mistake of blinking

Thank you for sorting this out. Ceoil (talk) 04:33, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Glad to help. -- Dianna (talk) 14:04, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Hehe, things were looking bleak for Erwin's likeness for a while but he should be ok now ;) Ceoil (talk) 15:53, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

I should have realised this was one of yours, when I saw that painting. :) -- Dianna (talk) 16:05, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

They say old dogs dont learn new tricks, but your rational is very useful to me; that era is grey wrt to permissions and esp for the visual arts its a shame not to be able to illustrate. Ceoil (talk) 16:21, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

User:93.86.196.2

User:93.86.196.2 is long term vandal. He is using his multiple IP to falsifying stats in footballers articles. His IP range is really wide, you can see it there [1]. He don't provide any sources for these stats, just put random numbers like[2][3][4]--Oleola (talk) 16:29, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Okay, now I understand. I am going to put these numbers in the range-block tool and see how broad they are. If you could please provide any IPs used in the last few weeks as that will help narrow the range. -- Dianna (talk) 16:40, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

few from last weeks, 93.87.108.49, 93.86.67.205, 178.223.23.13, 93.87.236.114, 178.223.57.20, 109.92.190.40, 212.200.236.174. I can provide earlier ones too. You could also restore the history of User:Triter or User:Nikgudz to get some.--Oleola (talk) 17:03, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I have closely examined the 93.87 and the 93.86 so far, and range blocking will not be a possibility for those, as the ranges are really big. He is editing from many other huge ranges as well, and they're all dynamic ranges of Telekom Srbija out of Belgrade. I think he may be editing from a mobile device such as a tablet or iphone, which will give him a new IP every time. I would suggest trying some page protection on his favourite targets. I wish we could semi-protect the whole encyclopedia; this is such a wast of editor time. I think he is done for the day, as he knows we are onto him. I am going to the gym now, so if something else happens in the next few hours please re-post at AIV. Best, -- Dianna (talk) 17:11, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Redirected talkpage

Hi Diannaa. I noticed that User:Saffron Blaze's talkpage is actually a redirect to the main page. I don't want to talk to this user or anything, I just never saw this before, so I wanted to see what you thought of it? Thanks for your time. INeverCry 23:59, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

I will deal with it. Thanks for reporting it. -- Dianna (talk) 00:05, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Redirect.

"You can't redirect them to each other. There's no way for people to leave messages."

That was sort of the point. Saffron Blaze (talk) 12:15, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

I understand that, but I am pretty sure you are required to have a talk page available, so sorry. - Dianna (talk) 18:42, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Hoffmann images

Good advice. There's no deadline.

Do you have any clue of how to proceed with the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Heinrich Hoffmann Images? The uploader was just blocked as a result of a different discussion, so it may be difficult to obtain information from the uploader. Also, lots of other images uploaded by this user have a pre-1923 template without any source or evidence of publication. The user has uploaded lots of important images, but there is little information to prove the PD status and I'm not sure how to handle WP:NFCC#10a, or how to verify that WP:NFCC#2 or WP:NFCC#4 aren't violated. In the discussion at the military history project page, the user wrote that the images had been published "on postcards", but I'm not sure if this is specific enough. How do I verify this information? By checking all postcards published before 1923? --Stefan2 (talk) 12:20, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Public domain#Artworks says (in part) that proof of publication is mandatory; uploaders making a "public domain" claim on a reproduction of an artwork are required to prove with verifiable details that the work was first published before 1923. Therefore, the onus is not upon us to prove that the pictures are previously published. The onus is on the uploader to prove publication for each image. Surely some of the images were published on postcards, but the deception and sockpuppetry leaves me with little trust in this user. Check out this discussion, where they claim that Prince Eugene of Bavaria personally handed them a photograph and then they use sockpuppetry to try to show consensus for keeping the image: Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2012 September 5#File:Eugenofbavaria.jpg. Here's an old discussion where the user used multiple accounts in the same discussion, using the Bolekpolivka account to praise the work of Mariaflores1955: Talk:Joachim Peiper#Lead photo dispute. So you can see why my trust has been hopelessly eroded. So I am not prepared to take their word that these pictures were taken by Hoffmann, and to be honest we don't even know for sure that the images have been correctly identified. But if we do due dilligence, there's no reason for us to lose any images that we are entitled to keep.

Every image uploaded by Bolekpolivka (114 images), Weissundblau (2 images), and Mariaflores1955 (454 images) and any further sockpuppets that we locate will have to be checked. The way to do this is to make a chart/spreadsheet because we will have to

1. check if the images are in the United States national archives by plugging the name in here
2. check if it's an over-write of a file uploaded by MrBee, by examining the history of the image
3. Use Tin Eye or Google searching to see if the images have been previously published. This step will be difficult, because some of the uploads date back to 2006, and will have been copied from us.

   I will get started on making a table later and will put it in a sandbox. Right now I have to go to work. TTYL -- Dianna (talk) 14:43, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

To make the Google part easier, you might wish to copy the lines about Google from User:Stefan2/common.js to one of your Javascript files. It should be easy to write some similar code for Tineye.

I am not very happy about the talk page discussions you mentioned. It did look strange that Bolekpolivka always popped up out of nowhere praising Mariaflores1955, which is partially why I filed that SPI request in the first place. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:57, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

I am about to post a note on the MILHIST talk page thread as to what I have planned. Once the subpage is ready, you are welcome to help with the investigation, if you have time. You don't have to if you are not comfortable with taking it on; I will do it alone if necessary. I take it you are one of the people who patrols new uploads looking for problematic images? They have been socking and uploading since 2006, so there's no reason to think they won't try to continue. You could be on the alert for similar types of historical photos that might start being uploaded by a new sock once the autoblock wears off in a couple more days. Do you think we should re-add the {{puf}} templates to the images? Mariaflores1955 removed them all on the 5th of September. -- Dianna (talk) 19:07, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

I frequently check new file uploads for problems, yes. It seems to be a lot of work to re-add the {{puf}} templates. It would be better to have {{puf}} templates there to notify other users about the discussions, but I'm not sure if it is worth the trouble.

There is also another thing: Bolekpolivka was blocked for a month during 2008. While still blocked, Mariaflores1955 uploaded a few images. Should those images be deleted per WP:CSD#G5? I think that we are talking about 20-25 images. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:42, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

I think we can just deal with them along with the rest of the uploads from that username. I have installed the script for Google; thanks, it's a good-un. -- Dianna (talk) 23:52, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for asking but I entered the following searching string "Ritterkreuz" at the ARC. It resulted in the following hit.

Portraits of Nazi Personalities, compiled 1930 - 1940 ARC Identifier 540165 / Local Identifier 242-HBA Photographs and other Graphic Materials from the General Services Administration. National Archives and Records Service. Office of the National Archives. (ca. 1949 - 1985) Still Picture Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD Series from Record Group 242: National Archives Collection of Foreign Records Seized, 1675 - 1958

if you then click on the Scope&Content tab it tells the following:

Portraits of members of the first Hitler government, NSDAP leaders and military figures, including Hitler, Lutze, Hess, Heydrich, Keitel, Goebbels, Huhnlein, Goring, Ribbentrop, Scholz Klink, Blomberg, Dropmuller, Oberlindober, Darre, von Helldorf, and others, and portraits of selected winners of the Ritterkreuz (Knight's Cross). A few photographs of medals and handbills are included.

How do I find out what images are included? MisterBee1966 (talk) 19:27, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

It looks like that catalogue item contains a collection of photographic prints and glass negatives of works by Hoffmann. It doesn't look to me like there's any way to verify from here what negatives are in that box. I did not expect this; I thought each image would be individually catalogued by now. We might be hitting a wall sooner than I thought if a lot of them turn out to be like this :( -- Dianna (talk) 19:35, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

This looks very bad. I'm afraid that it might be necessary to visit NARA in person in order to find out what's included. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:42, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Random spot-checks are turning up no hits, even well-known figures like Dr Morrell. This page says that 75% of the records are presently in the online catalogue, though not all of those have an accompanying digital image. One would exprect, if the images were actually drawn from this source, that we would get at least some hits. Where the hell did they get these pictures?? -- Dianna (talk) 19:47, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

File:SS-R.T.Heydrich.jpg: You would think that an important figure like this would have his image catalogued and even digitized by now if it came from the NARA. But it's not there. It's not among the 66 images on the Bundesarchiv website either. -- Dianna (talk) 20:01, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Question: would verification that the source is from Hoffmann work if for instance the picture was published in a book? I am asking this because I own a number of books on Knight's Cross recipients and in some instances these books use copies of the images we are debating over here. Or does the verification have to come from NARA? MisterBee1966 (talk) 20:25, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Someone wrote in the discussion that some of the seized images are kept in Carlisle Barracks. It is possible that the uploader might have taken images from there, but I have no idea how to find out. Do you have to visit the place in person? Also, according to Commons:Category:Heinrich Hoffmann, some images were seized by the United Kingdom and are held in the British National Archives. The Commons category page states that these images are in the public domain, but it is not clear from the Commons text if they are in the public domain in the UK, the US or both. Also, the Commons page has no sources.

I assume that many of these photos were published in the 1930s and 1940s and they might have been taken from various publications. However, it would be very difficult to verify without any information.

I wonder where the images come from. It is possible that there are lots of group listings, and those 75% maybe include photos covered by the group listings. This is looking very problematic... --Stefan2 (talk) 20:42, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Mr Bee: If you find an image in a book, listing the book is better than nothing. If everything else fails, it is at least evidence that it is a published image (as required by WP:NFCC#4). --Stefan2 (talk) 20:45, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

(ec) Verification could come from a book. Each book should have a list of images and their provenance, and you could determine whether or not that particular image is PD. You are right, Stefan. It is very problematic, as we are going to have to delete a hella lot of images, as we can't prove where they came from or who owns the copyright. It's not such a big deal with guys like Heydrich, where we have plenty of images, but for the lesser-known figures we only have the one image. I feel like throwing up. -- Dianna (talk) 20:53, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

I have got the first batch - the uploads by User:Bolekpolivka (115 files) on a subpage at User:Diannaa/Problematic images. I will be working collecting information about these uploads till dinnertime so please don't post to that page for the next while (about 2 hrs). Thanks -- Dianna (talk) 21:15, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

FYI: I found another sockpuppet report: Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Mariaflores1955. Only IPs, so no file uploads. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:41, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Hopefully all the named socks were tagged as such. -- Dianna (talk) 21:43, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Now that the subpage has been created at User:Diannaa/Problematic images, there's a talk page available along with that where we can post further comments about the investigation. Or here is okay too ;) -- Dianna (talk) 23:52, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure if this known so I want to point this out here again. It is also implicitly indicated in the rulings of Price vs. United States, an image from the Hoffmann archive does not necessarily imply that the picture was actually taken by Hoffmann himself. Hoffmann was also a publisher and had a number of people working for him. So the pictures claimed to be Hoffmann images may very well have been taken by one of his employees. I will start going over the list and indicate where the pictures have been published. MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:24, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

It does not matter if a photo was taken by Hoffmann or not. What matters is whether the photo was seized. However, if the images were taken by an employee, a search for "Hoffmann" might not work.

Many images seem to be fairly easy to find elsewhere on the Internet using Google Images. WP:NFCC#4 implies that fair use doesn't apply if the other web sites got the photo from Wikipedia, but it is sometimes possible to verify dates using the Waybackmachine. For example, here I verified that a photo uploaded to Wikipedia in 2008 appeared on a different web site at least as early as 1998. This is enough for keeping that image under a fair use claim in my opinion. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:55, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

If the images were issued as postcards, that would qualify as prior publication, and that would mean it can be kept for fair use. Prior publication does not have to be in a book or on a website to qualify. For example, the uploader says that File:Backofbleich.jpg is the back of a postcard of File:Heinrich Bleichrodt.jpg. I am going to try asking them to come clean about the source of the images. I have a feeling that they came into possession of a large collection of postcards (people used to collect things like postcards, stamps, and matchbook covers as a hobby in the days before we had more amusing pastimes, so it's totally possible that a postcard collection could contain thousands of items), and began uploading them without realising the intricacies of copyright law and thinking no one would care because the pics are old. Mr Bee is correct in that Hoffmann ran a studio, and not all images credited to Hoffman were necessarily taken personally by him. Our article on Price v United States says that the collection included "a photographic archive compiled by Hoffmann and his son"; so these images could even include pictures taken by photographers not employed by the Hoffmann studio. The collection (including those at the Carlisle) only numbers several hundred thousand images; Hoffmann and his studio took some 1.5 million images altogether, so the Price ruling does not apply to all Hoffmann work. We have two options: Prove prior publication whether online, in a book, or on a postcard; or prove the image was among those seized, and is PD. This is going to take quite a while to accomplish, so it's best to start with the most obvious cases so that we don't fuck anything up by deleting stuff we are actually entitled to keep. I found this image of Fegelien on the Bundesarchiv website. Any that we locate at the Bundesarchiv can be kept for fair-use in my opinion, for cases where no free image can be found. -- Dianna (talk) 14:14, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Your Bundesarchiv link isn't working. It only goes to a generic search page. If we can't find a better way to link to Bundesarchiv, it is at least possible to list the photo number (in this case Bild 146-1992-014-35A). If you go to the advanced search page and type in the photo number in the "fulltext" field, you will always find information about the photo without too much trouble. --Stefan2 (talk) 14:38, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

The Bundesarchiv is undergoing maintenance for two hours. When we are done with this task may I ask that we create something like a lessons learned note from this? I used these images on a number of articles and lists, some of them have even gone as far as FAC and FLC, in the believe that I am not violating any copy rights. Clearly I am not the only one who has failed to recognize the potential unjust done here. I feel that better guidance would truly help here. I also want to thank the two of you for taking a positive approach to fixing the situation with a mindset of retaining as much as possible. Thanks again and happy editing. MisterBee1966 (talk) 15:20, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I was just re-reading the statements that Mariaflores posted on the MILHIST talk page. Their remarks are full of lies, partial truths, misunderstandings of copyright law, and personal attacks, to the point where I feel it is pointless to ask them where they got the photos; I am not feeling like I could trust or believe any answer they give us. -- Dianna (talk) 19:55, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I must say that I wasn't very happy during that discussion. I asked several questions but got few verifiable answers and sometimes felt that she changed things trying to please me and I felt that later statements contradicted earlier statements. When looking at her contributions, I was thinking of filing a case at WP:CCI, but was hoping to sort out the problems directly with the user instead, but it seemed to be impossible to get useful answers from her. I'm not sure if we should file a CCI case. We might get more people investigating the matter, but there is also a risk that people will just tag everything for deletion for having no source or permission, and then we get no time to find sources.

I just added a list of images which have been transferred from Wikipedia to Commons. I'll check if any are still left on Wikipedia and if so add {{keep local}} tags to those until we have sorted everything out. If any of those images are found to be unfree, they need to be deleted from Commons and undeleted here (if we wish to keep them under a fair use claim). --Stefan2 (talk) 20:53, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Just to tell you about a nice discovery: see this Flickr stream. It contains lots of photos of the same kind as the ones uploaded by Maria Flores and the text on the photos make it clear that the photos are taken from a printed source, likely postcards. I would say that any images found in that Flickr stream are fine as far as WP:NFCC#4 is concerned.

Diannaa, can you undelete the local copy of File:Adalbertprinceofbavaria.jpg? It's still copyrighted in Germany, so the Commons copy has to be deleted. This copy looks like a postcard, so the photo has definitely been published, but I'm not sure if we can decide that it was published before 1923. In either case, it proves that the photo was published, so it qualifies for fair use if nothing else. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:38, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the Flickr link; I have added the link to my bookmarks. We can use that collection to confirm that the images were indeed published as postcards, but not what year, unless the date is printed on the front of the image. I have un-deleted Adalbertprinceofbavaria.jpg as requested, and added fair-use rationales for two articles. I think I should head over to Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2012 September 5 and deal with those images before someone deletes them; I'll confirm if they are on NARA as free images, and if not, rescue as many as possible for fair-use. -- Dianna (talk) 23:22, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Could you also head over to Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2012 September 10#File:Princefriedrichsisigmundprussia.jpg and decide what to do there? --Stefan2 (talk) 12:42, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

 Done -- Dianna (talk) 13:54, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

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Nasir who was being unreasonable got blocked for Sockpuppetry. Why am I not surprised? Thanks SH 09:40, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

That is such interesting news! I am not surprised either. Best wishes, -- Dianna (talk) 14:16, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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for your help at Talk:Walam Olum. Dougweller (talk) 05:40, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Glad to help. These edits came from a slightly different range, so I am collecting IPs again for a potential future range block. -- Dianna (talk) 19:42, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Undeletion of file:Tom Smith, US Senate Candidate.png

Can you please help undelete the file that you deleted the other day. I just saw the discussion, and that it was deleted, yesterday.

The nominating user was later banned from deletion processes: banned and nominated for user deletion due to overzealous deletion practices. (Which was rejected)

I appeciate your help. Thank you. --Joetheguy (talk) 16:15, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Joetheguy. It doesn't matter that Bulwersator was the nominator; I was aware of who the nominator was and what his story was when I deleted the image. None of my deletions were done carelessly or without thorough investigation. The reason this particular file was deleted is because there's no evidence on the website that any of the material has been released into the public domain. Under United States copyright law, material is automatically copyright unless released under license or declared to be in the public domain. Campaign materials are not an exception to this law. What you will need to do is get permission of the photographer, and get an OTRS ticket in place on the file. Please refer to WP:Consent for instructions on how to get an OTRS ticket. -- Dianna (talk) 19:43, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I would appreciate it if you would revert the changes, pending a discussion, which never really happened. Even one picture on the main page of Wikipedia has a pending copyright determination status, as can be seen HERE. I have contacted the source of the image regarding the image status. Is it possible for you to revert the changes at all, or will the picture have to be re-uploaded from scratch no matter what? --Joetheguy (talk) 20:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

The place to go if you wish a review of the closure is to Wikipedia:Deletion review, where you can post to have the decision reviewed by experienced uninvolved administrators. They will be able to view the file, even without reversing the deletion. -- Dianna (talk) 21:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Your Valued Opinion Requested

Hi, Diannaa! As you know, I respect your copyediting skills and evaluation greatly, and I'm wondering if you could possibly take a glance at a little article I'm expanding (Bill Stewart (television journalist)) and give me your opinion on it. I'm not completely done with it yet and am still researching and culling unreferenced tidbits; and I must admit a slight "COI". He was a friend of the family, I met him as a youngster and witnessed the horrible killing on the nightly news. I don't think this sort of graphic footage would be aired today on the nightly news, but as Cronkite explained at the time, "Because it is an important documentation of the savagery of the Nicaraguan war, we will show this ABC News videotape with a warning that parents might not want their children to view it."[5] Millions of kids remember seeing it :( I understand if you're busy and appreciate any time you could give to looking at this with the goal of advancement! Thanks :> Doc talk 10:58, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Doc! I have done some clean-up and copy editing. A good addition would be some more material on his early career, if any sources can be found. There's one paragraph in the "impact" section that's totally unsourced; it may be original research. I did not copy edit that paragraph, but marked it with a {{cn}} tag. -- Dianna (talk) 13:59, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much! The section you tagged will eventually get snipped and was there before I came along - good call :) I really appreciate your expert help: Bill Stewart was a good man that in no way deserved what happened to him. His story shouldn't be forgotten, and you've helped ensure a quality article. Cheers :> Doc talk 14:09, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

RevisionDelete please

Hello Diannaa. You are listed in the category. "Wikipedia administrators willing to handle RevisionDelete requests". Could you please delete two revisions for me, that I made in the article Tetseo Sisters. The problem is that I authored the article on my real name account and the two changes under this account should not be brought in connection with my real name. The last edit is ok again. --Gf1961 (talk) 19:19, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm not sure why you need multiple accounts, and why you need to hide the fact that you have multiple accounts. And if it's for privacy concerns, why did you post here rather than sending me an email? I ask because I am not sure your reason for asking for the revision deletion is one that is allowed under the policy. -- Dianna (talk) 19:42, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dianaa. I use two accounts. One is a real name, one is more secretive. I accidentally edited with the secretive one and a connection can be drawn, for example by my employer. He would most certainly never find this edit, but might find the ones that are lined up on the article. As you see the real name edit is identical to the other one, so nothing ist lost, if you could hide the two made by account Gf1961. --217.190.5.247 (talk) 20:15, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

The page states: Hiding of a username or IP should only be used where that username or IP has a reason in and of itself to be hidden, such as accidentally editing logged out or an attack username. Sorry for causing workload. --217.190.5.247 (talk) 20:17, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

 Done It's not the workload; I just wanted to confirm that the reason falls within policy. -- Dianna (talk) 22:07, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I really appreciate very much. --217.190.5.156 (talk) 03:36, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for you help with regard to: Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2012 September 5#File:UNC Chapel Hill Cornerstone.jpg. I appreciate it. Eric Cable  |  Talk  02:11, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. The mural might actually be PD, but this way we are covered. -- Dianna (talk) 02:56, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Possible personal info

Please see here where I commented out a message in which an IP seems to be giving a personal e-mail URL. Should this be permanently deleted? If so, please do so.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 02:43, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

 Done -- This could be a valid email address, and nor necessarily that of the person who posted it. Thanks -- Dianna (talk) 02:56, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! —Odysseus1479 (talk) 04:21, 23 September 2012 (UTC) Edited 04:25, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Imagine (song)

I've made a few edits to Imagine (song), and I think I am heading in the right direction. If you could find the time, please review the article as it now stands and give me some direction as to what it needs moving forward. Please post any suggestions you have at the article's talk page. Thanks and cheers! ~ GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for the comments and to clarify, I know there's housekeeping issues like citations stuff and copyediting that's needed. I was looking for more general, content advice, as to what you hope the article can cover. ~ GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 04:30, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• • I think the main points are covered. -- Dianna (talk) 21:45, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Manstein and Melvin

In this edit you have removed Smelser-cited text and streamlined the article to line up with Melvin. Why dump Smelser? Why the apparent over-reliance on Melvin? The topic is bigger than one author's viewpoint. Binksternet (talk) 04:27, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

The text I removed regards testimony he provided at Nuremberg, not at his own trial. I will re-incorporate it, but in the proper sequence of events. Some of the material needs further corroboration from other works, too, as Smelser's work seems over-sensationalised. There's a book that just got added to the collection at my library (Erich Von Manstein: Hitler's Master Strategist by Benoît Lemay) so I will get that later today and incorporate material from it throughout. There's still a long way to go yet. The whole trial section is way too long and presents as a wall of text, so I may move some of it to a separate new article. -- Dianna (talk) 14:04, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Smelser and Davies are heated in their prose but their analysis is significant and their facts are not wrong. I would like to see their main points and conclusions kept. Binksternet (talk) 23:53, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Lemay is quite scathing in his conclusions too, and will serve to give some more balance. -- Dianna (talk) 01:36, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Looking forward to the solution... Binksternet (talk) 04:41, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, your name was mentioned at Wikipedia_talk:RFA#Statistics_.28and_lies.3F.29, so I decided to stop by and see if you might be willing to answer a couple questions?

1. What motivates you to do a lot of deletions? Is it your primary manner of participation on Wikipedia or a smaller part of your overall work?

2. What sorts of things or interactions make your deletion work less pleasant? What sorts of changes or occurrences would make you less likely to perform the number of deletions you presently perform?

3. Do you have any suggestions on how the deletion process or conduct policies surrounding deletions could be improved to encourage greater admin participation?

Feel free to respond here or at WT:RFA, if you decide to respond. Thanks. MBisanz ^talk 15:55, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

The amount of deletions I do varies from month to month, as I tend to switch primary tasks quite often to help keep my interest level high. Deletions require a different mindset from writing or re-writing articles. It's a totally different kind of work requiring a different part of the brain. So when I am tired from writing, deletions are a good place to go. Mostly I work in file deletions. It's fun to work with images, especially the user-submitted photos. I started out working on non-controversial simple ones like F8s and F5s, and would leave and watch-list any I wasn't sure about, and then make a note of whether or not I agreed with how the closing admin handled the file. Over time I have become more and more familiar with our rules on freedom of panorama and fair use guidelines and copyright law, to the point where I started closing discussions at WP:PUF. Right now I am working on a case that involves copyright law, fair use, and Nazi Germany; I'm the perfect person for the job. Serendipitous. Since I have acquired a skill-set that allows me to do large numbers of deletions with few errors and few complaints from other users, it's more or less beholden on me to use those skills to help get the work done as best as possible. Another task I do sometimes is checking bot moves to the Commons; to do this task the checker has to be an admin on the sending wiki, so that they can look inside the deleted file and make sure everything arrived safely. There's presently over 61,000 transclusions of the {BotMoveToCommons} template, from all wikis. I have no idea how many of these are from our wiki. It's a simple task that's fun and easy to do, but only admins can do it, so I do it.

I think we have two kinds of admins: those who view it as a promotion, a way to level-up, a hat to collect. Then there's people who once they become an admin they realise that they are now one of the grownups in charge, and they are obliged to try to help in whatever ways best suit their temperament and skills (whether that be vandalism work, closing contentious discussions, or more gnomish stuff). So I think the best way to encourage admins to help out with deletions or any of the other admin tasks is to try to locate and elect the people who fit into the second category. How that would be done I'm not sure, as I am not very politically motivated. -- Dianna (talk) 22:03, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate your last point. Trying to separate those who seek authority for its own sake and those who seek it to be responsible participants seems to be a major problem. I suspect RFA's current method seeking diverse content-oriented contributions may not be the best way to separate those groups. MBisanz ^talk 16:32, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Diverse content-oriented contributors might not be the best people to be administrators. In fact it might be a waste of their particular skill-set, unless they are prepared to acquire new skills and spend at least part of each day doing admin tasks. The more people specialise, the fewer admins we will need, as there will be efficiencies gained by becoming highly skilled. Another thing: As the number of us who edit daily continues to shrink, the fewer admins we will need, as people get to know each other better and treat each other with more respect as neighbours and friends. This is already happening; I'm seeing the same few people over and over everywhere I go. -- Dianna (talk) 21:40, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Polly James (DJ)

How do i get in contact with you regarding a page you deleted? Graeme — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graeme Mullins (talk • contribs) 22:52, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Graeme. I have to assume you mean the page Polly James (DJ), and that you are interested in more details on why the page was deleted. I looked it over quite carefully and found that the subject of the article is not notable enough, as Wikipedia defines it, to qualify for an article. Notability would be indicated by references to the person in reliable third-party sources such as newspapers, magazines, or online material. I did a search and found no such material. The only citations in the article were to the websites of her agent, her radio station, and her own website. The article has now been deleted four times since 2010 by four different administrators, so I feel pretty confident that my decision was the correct one. Sorry. - Dianna (talk) 23:39, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the info, if you look at the station she works for, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_Radio#Presenters she only one of two presenters without a page, what other information could we provide to keep the page active. Graeme Mullins (talk) 19:48, 30 September 2012 (GMT)

Looking at those other DJs, I see that several others, such as Russ Williams (DJ) and Pete Donaldson, don't (as presently sourced) meet Wikipedia notability guidelines either. Sorry. -- Dianna (talk) 19:45, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Is this one OK?

Hi Dianna. I'm wondering if the 2nd paragraph of Global Crossing#Post-2001 and 2002 bankruptcy filing might be sailing too close to the wind, if not right into the wind, in terms of uncited allegations of wrongdoing. What do you think? Simon. --Stfg (talk) 14:25, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

It is unsourced as it stands right now. The link at the bottom of the section is dead and it's been dead for a long time. I think it should be cleaned up. -- Dianna (talk) 15:26, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I've removed that paragraph and cleaned up some of the rest of the section as well. I also cleaned up the last two sections (Corporate spending and Political contributions), which were actually a bit gross. I've removed everything uncited. Could you look at those too, please? Someone has been using it rather as an attack page (the talk page shows the strength of feeling). There's still a lot that's uncited, but I'm hoping to have removed anything that might constitute attack. S. --Stfg (talk) 15:49, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I will, but I have to go out right now. I will do it later -- Dianna (talk) 15:53, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the further copy edit you did. Looks much better now. --Stfg (talk) 09:06, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

IP socker Marburg72 back for round 3?.....15?....27?

166.147.72.150 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), left this for me on my talk page [6], from the same range you had to keep blocking a month or two back. Heiro 10:33, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Wow, note the fake admin signature. It's probably better to just revert without comment, as he probably gets a charge out of annoying you. Don't give him the satisfaction. This is actually a slightly different range, starting in mid-September. The three IPs I have collected so far make a really tight range so we will likely have to continue to collect information and broaden the range moving forward. This series appears to be assigned to a mobile device. -- Dianna (talk) 14:50, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Re: Lowsk712 (talk · contribs). Please see the account's edit filter log entries as they tripped the filter after my warning, and that is why I reported them. Also, please note that I reported it as a vandalism-only account, which it appears to be. Thank you! --v/r Electric Catfish (talk) 17:43, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I will check that out right away. - Dianna (talk) 17:47, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

The last edit was at 16:45 so I am still in favour of waiting. -- Dianna (talk) 17:54, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

The stuff in the edit filter is not so serious, school sucks, stuff like that. -- Dianna (talk) 18:04, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Help please?

Hi Dianna. I copy edited Tain, Shekhawati as part of the drive, and the article's creator has reverted the whole job with an edit summary saying "Reverting to the older and historically correct version". I think that my copy edit changed nothing of the history, and that this is a case of ownership. I don't like to interact with editors who do that sort of thing, especially as I'm not yet on an even keel about the wasted effort. Please would you take a look and see what is best to be done? By the way, User:Soulparadox has picked up on the re-inserted copyedit tag. I've sent them a heads up about this. Thanks, Simon. --Stfg (talk) 08:59, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Soulparadox only removed the copyedit tag and added GOCEinuse. The IP that reverted that action geolocates to Jaipur ;) --Stfg (talk) 10:05, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Simon. Sorry, I've been busy with RL stuff today. Torchiest has reverted to the copy-edited version, and I will put a note on Warriorking99's talk page as to why this is the right thing to do. Hope this helps. -- Dianna (talk)

Hi Dianna (and Torchiest -- I assume you're watching this page too). Yes, Torchiest's handling of it was very neat and so was your message to Warriorking99. Much better than me jumping in with involvement. Thank you both. --Stfg (talk) 22:39, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

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I think this was meant for you...

Hello Diannaa! This message was left on my talk page, but it was probably meant for you:

Thank you for your recent articles, including Trial of Erich von Manstein, which I read with interest. When you create an extensive and well referenced article, you may want to have it featured on Wikipedia's main page in the Did You Know section. Articles included there will be read by thousands of our viewers. To do so, add your article to the list at T:TDYK. Let me know if you need help, Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 20:39, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks, Constantine. I will give it a look. — Dianna (talk) 22:48, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of notable alumni on Preshil article.

Hi Diannaa,
I noticed that you deleted most of the notable alumni on the article for the alternative school Preshil, in Melbourne, Australia. I am challenging your deletion of these entries, as I believe that although those alumni may not have been properly source or have their own pages, within context, these alumni are actually very notable. As I could be considered a primary source on this issue, my view is that these entries should have been kept in the article while merely hidden from normal view.

I shall be re-instating these entries into said article (while keeping all relevant entries hidden until they can be properly sourced.

Regards,
SilvestertheCat (talk) 14:32, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Bob Hope

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Thanks, M! -- Dianna (talk) 18:44, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

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	Congratulations for winning the August 2012 incarnation of the Core Contest! Your voucher will be on its way soon.... Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:38, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

D'oh! I am so sorry about that. I somehow got the wrong name in my head :/ ....congrats though this had a really engaging prose. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:58, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

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The PD-100 tag on County Mayo

If the photographer was 30 years old in 1890 and died at the age of 90 (which would be in 1950), it is just 62 years after "life of author." The term is ambiguous, but per the template definition refers to the death-year. For unknown photographers, seems unlikely any photo will benefit from the tag, since we are talking of a potential 170 or 180 years in the past here. Yeah, the whole thing is a pain. Churn and change (talk) 03:05, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Yikes, it looks like my math was wrong :( We might have to delete it after all, or convert to fair-use. Hopefully Giano will respond and tell us where he got the image. The file is currently in use in a userspace draft. -- Dianna (talk) 03:16, 6 October 2012 (UTC) I don't think it qualifies for fair use in the user-space draft, and the user has retired, so the article may never be moved into main space. -- Dianna (talk) 03:46, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

I do know what is going on with Samofi [7]

Samofi's latest message at his own talk page was so devoid of common sense that it left me astonished. Frankly, this is precisely the sort of behaviour which makes the English Wikipedia an unpleasant place to work. First of all, he isn't only banned from editing Wikipedia for an indefinite duration, but there is even a topic ban he is placed under, which prohibits him making any contributions in Wikipedia that pertains to Hungarian and/or Slovakian ethnic and national disputes, likewise for an indefinite duration [8].

As for "It looks like a spamming and nationalistic agenda ...", it constitutes Wikipedia:Harassment as well as the downright violation of his valid topic ban. However, since he is already blocked from editing, I have no way to ask an administrator to make amends for this harassment by blocking the user.

As for "I have noticed a lot of POV pushing from problematic (lot of times blocked user - Nmate", it is him who should hold his row concerning this matter; for GOD's sake, this is a twofold indef-blocked user who is banned from editing each article that covers his only one interesting field in Wikipedia, and even a former(?) sockpuppeter in addition. I do not think that I should take the blame for anything this user says.

In case, he were to receive an unblock given him for an indefinite duration, and in addition; he were to manage to even convince the Arbitration Comitee about the fact that his topic ban that covers his only one interesting field in Wikipedia should be lifted, he would still be unable to make useful contributions in Wikipedia because of his poor command of English. As a native speaker of English, you can also recognize that none of his sentences is written in grammatically correct English.

You Diannaa told "The best way forward if you wish to open an arbitration case or discuss your block is to contact the Arbitration Committee at arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org". I augur that it won't help. I regret to inform you that it is not possibe to send any messages to the Arbitration Comitee directly. Any messages of this sort are riddled by moderators who take decision on forwarding them to the Arbitration Committee. Unfortunately I received a rather senseless block in last October. When I was blocked, I did all I could to appeal it including sending emails to the Arbitration Comitee to which I failed to receive an answer. Also, Samofi is free to initiate a discussion his unblock, however, I wouldn't dare to lay a wager on his success. With his past, he can hardly offer anything to be cogent enough for the community to let him edit Wikipedia once again.--Nmate (talk) 13:26, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

I admire anyone who is prepared to edit articles in the areas of the Balkans or Middle East or Hungarian ethnic disputes; you will run into these kinds of people over and over again, which makes it difficult to get any work accomplished, and turns what should be a fun hobby into a bad experience. I'm sorry to hear that you did not get a reply to your email to the Arbitration Committee. It's true that a moderator reviews them all and only some are forwarded along, but even so, they receive hundreds of emails every single day, and it's possible yours did not get the attention it deserved. Unfortunately there's no way to address Samofi's comments about your editing or get him to apologise; there's no way to force an apology out of anyone or get them to admit they were wrong, even if they're not blocked. But I can assure you that people who want to find out about you will not pay any attention to what people like him say, but will form their own opinions based on your actions. — Dianna (talk) 14:34, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Himmler poisoning

I thought that id included a ref. What actually happened was that after he had snapped the amp of poison in his mouth, the doctor told the soldier that was present to get a ladder, a bucket and some warm water. The doctor then took some of the paint from the ceiling in the room they were in, knowing that most paint in those days contained soft distemper, he administered it Himmler by putting a hose down his throat and with a funnel attached to the other end, he poured the mixture of distemper and water into him to try and neautralise the poison. Obviously, it didnt work! Il find the source and put it back in when I get chance.Markdarrly (talk) 13:55, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

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Hello Diannaa, you previously deleted the image page of File:Full Body Burden book jacket image.jpg because it was not present on any article pages. The article page on which it was present was rejected and I was advised to post that information onto another existing page, Kristen Iversen, which I did. But the book info bar for which the image was originally intended is now image-less. Can you please reinstate the image page so the book info bar is more complete on the page Kristen Iversen? Thank you. Brotherbees (talk) 20:30, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Brotherbees. Actually, under Wikipedia's fair-use guideline, cover art is only permitted on the article about that particular item (book covers are only allowed in the article about that book, not the author; album covers are only allowed in the article about that album, not the artist). Please see WP:NFCI. Sorry. — Dianna (talk) 21:04, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for the help on the Pinto article. There may be some overzealous editing there on the crime issues (putting both incidents in the lead and in special sections). Sorry for the edit conflict. Cheers!-- — Keithbob • Talk • 18:01, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't deal with BLPs too much so I'm not sure what to do. I will post an opinion anyway. -- Dianna (talk) 18:26, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Sockpuppeting

Hey user:Dianna since you're a admin can you give me your opinion on this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Flowerpotman --75.65.123.86 (talk) 23:07, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

What you need to do is file a sockpuppet report. I would not care to speculate; it's not one of the areas where I am experienced. Regards, -- Dianna (talk) 23:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks so much for helping out with this page. I have checked over the amendments so far and things look great! It's great that a user experienced in managing BLPs is now watching the page. -- Dianna (talk) 21:22, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

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"Imagine"

Hey Dianna, I nomed "Imagine", when you can find time, please look it over for errors I've missed. Cheers! ~ GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 06:20, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay, will do! — Dianna (talk) 14:43, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

The issue of accessdates in the "Charts" table came up at the FAC. I have no idea how to add them as I've never used a table like this before. Do you know how I can add accessdates to refs 67-83? Thanks and cheers! ~ GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 23:44, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Easy peasy. The template accepts the accessdate parameter, so all you have to do is insert it. Thus:

{{Singlechart|Australia|1|song=Imagine|artist=John Lennon|accessdate=20 October 2012|rowheader=true}}

-- Dianna (talk) 00:20, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm on it, thanks! ~ GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 00:21, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

• Its looking pretty good right now. What do you think of the article? Is it FA quality? Cheers! ~ GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 23:07, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

• It looks good to me, but I am not in a position to cast an official "support" vote at the FAC page, not ever having participated there much. -- Dianna (talk) 23:24, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, FWIW, User:Hurricanehink supported, and he ranks number 4 all-time in Wikipedia FAs! ~ GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 23:33, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Gear! -- Dianna (talk) 23:41, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Help!, I need somebody to clean-up my mess over here. Thanks! ~ GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 03:40, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Good Morning Good Morning ... Dianna (talk) 13:56, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

And all I've gotta do, is thank you girl, thank you girl. ~ GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 21:47, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

H2NO images

For the two images in H2NO, would it be possible to use a higher-resolution image (the cannot be discerned in the current versions), or would that fail non-free use?Smallman12q (talk) 23:26, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

A bot chose the size of the images based on the non-free content criteria; there's a formula for the maximum non-free image size around here somewhere, but I can't find it at the moment. The bot is using that formula to determine what size the rescaled image should be. The original size you uploaded (570 × 1,005 [109,371 bytes] and 581 × 1,018 [84,686 bytes]) is way over the limit for sure. Part of your message is missing; presumably you find the text is kinda blurry in the new versions? -- Dianna (talk) 00:11, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Unblock request?

Hello, you had declined an unblock request a week or so ago. Since then the user has posted a couple of items that look like they are informal/malformated unblock requests [9] if you wish to revisit. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:06, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Red Pen. I will post a response. -- Dianna (talk) 17:56, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

they have made another response [10] -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:57, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, my response has been posted. — Dianna (talk) 19:59, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion

Ajit Darbar has been nominated of deletion because of completely unsourced, Non-notable, or encyclopedic value among others. There is no objections after 7 days. Thanks Theman244 (talk) 18:18, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for the deletions. :)

LauraHale (talk) 02:19, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Request for deletion of Orphaned non-free revisions

Sir, first of all "Hi" and "Good evening" sir. I have placed the "Orphaned non-free revisions" template in one of the two image files since 20 days ago, i have uploaded to English Wikipedia's Telugu Film Article. But no response from any admin. But after requesting, One admin named "WOSLinker" had deleted one of the images "Orphaned non-free revision" with striking it. I want the total deletion with disappearence of the "previous revisions" for both the images sir. So, i am kindly requesting you to delete the "Orphaned non-free revisions" in the below images sir. Thanking you in advance sir.

File:Cameraman ganga tho rambabu poster.jpg
File:Cameraman ganga tho rambabu cd cover.jpg

Have a nice day sir.

Raghusri (talk) Raghusri 11:19, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

 Done -- Dianna (talk) 14:13, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you sir. But i want the clean deletion of old revision without marking sir. Please show pity on me and please delete that again in the below image file sir. Sorry for the trouble sir.

File:Cameraman ganga tho rambabu poster.jpg

Have a good day sir.

Raghusri (talk) Raghusri 12:24, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

File mover permission request

Hello sir, I have made a request in Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/File mover 14 days ago sir. No response from any admin.

So, my kindly request is :

Please see the above page and if you satisfied with my "request reason" please assign me permission sir. Thanking you in advance sir. Have a nice day sir. Raghusri (talk) Raghusri 14:20, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the delays you are experiencing. At the start of the month of October there were around 1500 files in Category:Rescaled fairuse files more than 7 days old and several hundred more in Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions more than 7 days old. As far as I can tell, I am the only person working on these backlogs right now; I have done a thousand of these deletions this month and there's seven hundred still in the queue. Hence the delay.

I don't normally patrol the Request for Permissions board but I will have a look when I get back from work. Please stop calling me Sir; I am female. -- Dianna (talk) 14:35, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you madam. Sorry for calling you sir because i am in a confusion state that you are a male (or) female because of your name "Dianna". Now my confusion has been cleared. Anyways have a nice day mam. Raghusri (talk) Raghusri 10:50, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

File:Romulus.jpg

I didn't notice this until now. Why did you only delete one revision of this file although both were nominated (although for different reasons)? The current version is a copyright violation according to Commons:COM:ART#Photograph of an old sculpture found on the Internet, or in a book, unless you can show that it is an ancient photo. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:43, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't remember what my reasoning was at the time. It looks like the photo has no source information and was uploaded from an unknown source on the internet. All revisions should be deleted as F4, F11. I will do that right now. Sorry about the mistake. — Dianna (talk) 19:26, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

There is actually a URL for the source in the file description … which is this page, bearing a copyright notice from the Digital Library of Georgia.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 21:49, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. That is an image from the Commons that has the same file name as the deleted image. The image is now visible because the overlying file was deleted. It should be nominated for deletion on the Commons. I will go ahead and do that. -- Dianna (talk) 21:53, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

List of user pages

Hi, I've just popped in to see if DennisBrown has been able to bang heads together and I saw your note re: the ArbCom issue. You'll find similar stuff for me and RegentsPark, while SpacemanSpiff has indicated on my talk page that they too are most likely going. There is at least one other who has withdrawn but I forget who it is right now. And DennisBrown has suggested on User talk:Boing! said Zebedee that he knows of more likely withdrawals. I am tempted actually to create Category:Wikipedians who are not a Wikipedian but it will, of course, be seen as disruptive. I am hating this, and Indian articles are already getting quite hit hard (probably because the word will have got out on Orkut) but there is a principle at stake and whether it relates to Malleus Fatuorum or someone else is not particularly relevant.

Obviously, I do not expect you to comment. This is just FYI. - Sitush (talk) 20:18, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Sitush. I will amend the list -- Dianna (talk) 20:36, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

You can add mine if you wish. Black Kite (talk) 21:17, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes sir. -- Dianna (talk) 21:20, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

• That User:DennisBrown guy is a jerk, I blocked him weeks ago for being a doppelganger. ;) And I can't mention names, but my email has been telling me that more are likely on the way. I'm trying to talk to Jclemens on his talk page, but that isn't going well. All I can do is try to engage, but I can't force someone to reply, and others seem to misread them as saying more than they really are saying. Not in the mood to work my regular rounds at ANI or SPI myself, think I will go play a video game. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 21:23, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

• User:Kumioko looks to have joined the retired crowd. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 01:40, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

• I think the timing is coincidental on that one, if you look at his contribs... --Rschen7754 01:45, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

• What I see is that he went on Wiki-break on 16 October. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:40, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Their recent posts show they've been thinking about it for a while, so I'm not sure it's related either. The drama-storm seems to be abating somewhat; maybe i can put away my tin foil hat? ;) -- Dianna (talk) 01:49, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Alas, I've just popped in and I rather think the drama is increasing. You may want to upgrade from tin foil to, say, kevlar. - Sitush (talk) 11:52, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Looking at it, I think you are right after all. And Sitush, I'm personally wearing an army helmet. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 12:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

I can't keep up with entering them here, Kumioko was the first I did NOT enter, for lack of time in RL, feel free to add them all, by alphabet please --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:32, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

In September 2012, there were 3,193 editors who made 100 or more edits to English Wikipedia. According to Stephen Zhang, 24% of former editors surveyed apparently left due to the unpleasant atmosphere on the site. So what is it about this list of 13 that is inherently more important than the figure you get if you marry those two observations together, even when applying an unrealistically conservative reduction based on the amount of those leavers who probably define 'unpleasant' as 'not WP:CIV'. Tim98Seven (talk) 14:16, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

• Sockpuppetry is one of the leading reasons for the site being unpleasant, something a "new user" like yourself might not know about... Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 14:30, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
• And blocked as a trolling sock by Reaper Eternal. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 14:49, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

• And unblocked by Reaper and just posted at the Malleus arbitration thingamajigger. Haven't read the post. Haven't read why Reaper unblocked him.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:47, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

• and reblocked by Kww. What a pantomime, this week! --Stfg (talk) 09:47, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

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Ben Wilson

Hi Diannaa. I recently edited the Death section of the Ben Wilson (basketball) article to reduce the text to just that supportable by the source. Overnight, an editor has undone my change (via a number of edits) to restore the text. The new source is 'ESPN 30 for 30 film "Benji"'. I obviously prefer my version since it is supported by a secondary source, however I thought I'd ask you if the new text is okay to remain in WP (since it might be a true reflection of the film's information)? I haven't seen the film, so I will have to withdraw from trying to keep the article in-line with policy (which will hand it back into what is obviously a collaboration of fans/friends). If you think the information is fine, since we probably should AGF that it is based on the film, then no problems. Thanks in advance for any guidance you can provide. Cheers. GFHandel ♬  21:05, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

It looks like the article is seeing a flurry of editing because the story was recently featured on TV. The edits you are talking about were no longer the current version when I arrived, but I did find a bunch of copy vio, which I cleaned up. -- Dianna (talk) 23:29, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

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WP:PERM/F

Hello Diannaa! I don't think this is necessary but its been days after your last response to confirm if we read and understood File mover and File names in the requests for permissions for file mover rights. Can you visit and review our response? There are still two Wikipedians left. Thank you so much! Regards, Mediran ^{talk|contribs} 23:12, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder! I will do this right away. -- Dianna (talk) 23:18, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Your welcome and thank you too! Have a nice day! Mediran ^{talk|contribs} 23:20, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

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F5

Hi! When adding {{db-f5}} to an image, also remember to add a date. Otherwise, the image will remain in the category Category:Orphaned non-free use Wikipedia files as of unknown date 2012 forever. The easiest way to tag a file is to use {{subst:orfud}}. I see that you added the template to File:Windows 8 start screen.png without a date. --Stefan2 (talk) 00:38, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Stefan2. Thanks for the information! There's always more to learn, eh? -- Dianna (talk) 02:54, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Also, about F8, please check the following files again:

• File:Eleanor of Brittany.jpg
• File:Chasamsofer.JPG
• File:Kit body adidas geist onwhite.png
• File:Kit left arm Estonia2.png

Some revisions of those files exist on Commons under the same name. Things may be a bit confusing with overwritten files. Since F8 only applies to the revisions which have been copied over to Commons, it sometimes means deleting only the current revision (but not the old one), or only the old revision (but not the current one). However, File:Chasamsofer.JPG has been overwritten on both projects, which may be an issue: it might be better to have it split up on Commons first. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:39, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

The football pieces are not identical. For example, the File:Kit body adidas geist onwhite.png on en.wiki does not have a black V-shaped line at the neckline. If I delete the local copy, the black V-shaped line will be added to every usage of the file on this wiki, as the image shown will be the same-name image from the Commons. Please look at AS Djerba for an example of why this is likely not appropriate. Same with the File:Kit left arm Estonia2.png sleeve. I sure don't want every football fan on the wiki coming here complaining that the kit no longer looks right. Regarding Eleanor of Brittany, I think the local copy should be re-named (perhaps as File:Eleanor of Brittany (2).jpg) and then someone can copy it over to the Commons as a separate file. What do you think of this plan? For the the Chasamsofer file, we actually have three different images that should all have separate files. I don't know how to do that and still keep the histories intact. I am not an admin on the Commons. -- Dianna (talk) 23:57, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Request for deletion of orphaned non-free revisions

Hello! madam. How are you? One small request from me. Please delete the below posted images non-free revisons. I think i am the only one, asking you this type of requests again and again. Because no response for weeks together for my recent addition of the orphaned templates from any admin. Thanks for the previous deletions and accepting my requests. Now also i am expecting your help. Please madam. Thank you for reading this with patience.

• File:Nippu poster.jpg

File:Gabbar singh poster.jpeg

File:Daruvu poster.jpg

• File:Endukante premanta poster.jpg

File:Rebel poster.jpg

Have a nice day madam.

Raghusri (talk) Raghusri 16:36, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

All done. Best wishes, -- Dianna (talk) 16:54, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you madam. Thank you so much for you faster response. Please delete non-free versions for the above marked. Because i have updated them in this section recently. Raghusri (talk) Raghusri 17:29, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Procedural question

Hi Dianna. Would you be kind enough to take a quick look at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 October 4#Sailing classification where some redirects are proposed for deletion. I've identified three more in the same family, and have asked there whether I can add these or must start a new entry. Adding to the existing entry is preferable if permitted, since the same set of issues arise in all the cases and it would avoid rehearsing all the same arguments twice over (the proposal is contended). The initiator (User:BDD) has signalled no objection, but I'd like to be sure it's allowed before doing it. Thanks. Simon --Stfg (talk) 17:46, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't generally work in that area so I don't know the answer to that question. I suppose it would be up to the users in the discussion to decide how to handle it, but I don't know for sure. -- Dianna (talk) 19:38, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I think I'll not risk it, just in case people who have already made comments feel tripped up if they would make different comments on the extra ones. --Stfg (talk) 19:59, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

That makes sense. -- Dianna (talk) 20:00, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Two barnstars

		The Adminship Support Barnstar
		For your Support and Faster Response. Raghusri (talk) Raghusri 20:05, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

		The Admin Barnstar
		For your quick actions when requesting and great admin work. Raghusri (talk) Raghusri 20:05, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you madam. Raghusri (talk) Raghusri 20:05, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the great barnstars! very nice. -- Dianna (talk) 20:16, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

File:New-Gulliver-poster.jpg

You just deleted this as F8. After some Googling, I nominated the Commons file for deletion. It might be necessary to restore the Wikipedia file again. --Stefan2 (talk) 01:08, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I have done that and added a fair-use rationale. It looks like the same artist to me, and click on this sub-link: http://www.plakaty.ru/posters?id=364 Same poster. The guy died in 1971. Good catch. -- Dianna (talk) 01:24, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

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