User talk:Drmies/Archive 65

DYK review

A red Parrot (of doom?)

Thanks for helping there. I must admit, I've always found DYK to be a labyrinthine place to work in and I tend to avoid it like the plague. But new articles need fresh eyes... Parrot of Doom 15:21, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

• No problem. It's not that labyrinthine, really, once you get used to it; what's problematic sometimes is the rather poor quality of some submissions. The review I "donated" to your nom was actually quite easy: I made some copy edits, but the thing was cleanly written and properly referenced, and totally unproblematic. I used to forget to actually put the template in the list, but there's usually someone to help take care of that. And the women's day reference made me get to work myself: Hélène Swarth is in poor shape right now but I'm working on it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:15, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Well, your help is appreciated anyway. I may fix this next - Elizabeth Brownrigg. I'm undecided. Parrot of Doom 21:17, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Parrot, where do you find this stuff? Drmies (talk) 15:08, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Léon Delarbre

Art deco is a style. He chosed to study this style and painting. Art deco is itself preocupied with the decorativ arts. Hafspajen (talk) 19:27, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

• Art deco is a style, but Delarbre chose to attend the École nationale supérieure des arts décoratifs, also known as the "Arts Decos’"... Drmies (talk) 19:28, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

À cette époque il profite de sa situation pour préparer son entrée à l’Ecole des Arts Décoratifs (ART DECO) et à l’Ecole Nationale des Beaux-Arts de Paris. Admis aux deux écoles en 1913, il opte pour la section « Arts Déco » et suit parallèlement aux Beaux-Arts des cours de peinture à l’huile à l’atelier de R. Collin. Ses études sont interrompues par la Première Guerre mondiale.:

• Yes I understand what you mean. I might misunderstand this but it says SECTION, I might mean he chosed both. He chosed to study design in this style and he also chosed at painting, at Beaux-Arts well as far I understod. and he chosed the section Art deco... Art deco can also be the name of École nationale, yes. But Art deco is also a style, a visual arts design style.
  • Sure, but given the "he also took classes at the Beaux-Arts" it stands to reason that the Arts Deco in the first part means the school. "Section" is a kind of term you find used often in those French school systems, like "unit". Drmies (talk) 19:45, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Here's the church windows, supposedly. Can you see anything? Drmies (talk) 19:49, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Is it. When I studied at Art school, you chosed a section like sculpure, painting, ceramics, murals or so and studied there. I chosed illustrations and graphics and painting. Yes I can see that, and I think we do have them on commons. Hafspajen (talk) 20:07, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Trouble. Tha church guy is called Ernest not Leon File:Saint-Ouen Notre-Dame-du-Rosaire925.JPG. Hafspajen (talk) 20:13, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

• Yep, and they're signed 1916, way too early. Thanks though. Drmies (talk) 21:23, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

• According to "John Piper: The Forties", ed. David Fraser Jenkins here, Delarbre composed poetry whilst sitting under the Goethe Oak- he sketched the burnt stump after it was destroyed in a bombing raid. This oak tree, inside Buchenwald, was venerated by the camp guards; apparently there was a superstition that if the oak fell so would Germany- I remember reading that they were profoundly dispirited by its destruction. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 21:58, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
• I can't see that in "my" Google Books--can you please add any relevant content? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:38, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. I went into this commons on Buchenwald, am I am feeling a bit sick now about those unbelievable atrocities, and no Delarbre. Thougt I might find like B in Arts.. well, nothing. Just made me irritaded and angry. Hafspajen (talk) 22:28, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

• Imagine, Hafspajen, he went through all these camps and came out alive. Drmies (talk) 22:38, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

• What Goethe Oak is that, Xanthomelanoussprog? Drmies (talk) 23:11, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

• It's the Buchenwald one- I read about it years ago, and was familiar with the Dora-Mittelbau drawings (but by another artist) so I was taken aback to see Delarbre's link to both. It's result 3 in a search for Delarbre in the Piper book- sorry I thought the link would go directly to the page. I'll try and add it when I get some time (apparently next Wednesday afternoon) Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 23:17, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

• Haha, I was joking--just to show off that I jumbled a stub together. I found a Piper reference elsewhere and it's in the article. I think it'll be just about the Buchenwald one. Drmies (talk) 23:39, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

• I am in awe!Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 23:57, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Can imagine, Dr Mies, that is the problem, you see. Here, Category:Concentration camps in art

Hafspajen (talk) 00:26, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Did I? Who, me? It was famous before. [1]. Well, I was only teasing you. I like famous things. Hafspajen (talk) 10:00, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

• Hey, what kind of edit is this [2]? What is the intelligence behind it? Don't we care any more for WP:Preserve? Hafspajen (talk) 18:20, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

• Winged unicorns--really. You know I searched Flickr again and again, for Delarbre but also for Goethe Oaks: in vain. Drmies (talk) 18:27, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

• Well, they might not be on flicr, just. Not that popular topic. Maybe museums can have them, or some Holocaust reated topic?

here are quite a lot of pics[3] [4] [5] [6] Maybe Crisco can find something? Hafspajen (talk) 18:41, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

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• Hi Dr, done it. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:18, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

• Well done, Xanthomelanoussprog. You are a good talk page stalker. Hafspajen (talk) 10:05, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Admin to admin

Have you seen the RfC I have designed at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Football in Australia)? What do you think of it? --John (talk) 01:12, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

• I did, actually, a couple of days ago, though I read it not so much for the purpose of the naming convention. I do remember thinking holy moly, what a comprehensive overview, and what patience went into it. I should have congratulated you on it, and I promise you that I'll have another look if only to appreciate it. In the meantime I had a very busy day and only just got done reading the Kaldari thread (in spurts)--it was nice to see my block was justified, and I couldn't help but chuckle a bit, since I remember Kaldari's block of Eric. Anyway, family business calls me away now. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:32, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
  • That's very nice of you to say. There's something you can do for me. If this process is successful, I'd like a {{subst:Home-made Barnstar‎|message ~~~~}}. I made it back when I lived in the States, from my own photograph. I've awarded it to numerous folks, but no one has ever awarded it to me. Can you do that? --John (talk) 02:11, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
    • You guys crack me up. That's so amazingly Wikipedia. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:49, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
      • Demiurge, did you see that it's right below one you gave to me? John, if you settle that football-soccer dispute, you'll get more than a barnstar from the Australian government, and I'll make you one myself. Drmies (talk) 04:36, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

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looks a little bit like Gere

Does anyone knows when he was born or he doesn't want to say? (What of course it is his business).David Pledger - Hafspajen (talk) 19:40, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

• Who wrote that--his agent? Drmies (talk) 21:47, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

• It is an artwork in itself, transcending the paradigm of the depletion of sense within the boundaries of an electronic discourse between actors in an encyclopedic oh god i've lost the will to live Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 22:00, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

But he looks good. Artistic. Hafspajen (talk) 22:02, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Well said, Xanthomelanoussprog, but don't give up: you have everything to live for still, even after that surgery. Haf, you should see me in a tight shirt holding Julia Roberts. Ah, in my dreams. Those are some creepy dolls, by the way. Drmies (talk) 23:06, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

• The new Norwegian style. [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12]Hafspajen (talk) 23:09, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

• Rosie enjoyed the fox song. Drmies (talk) 00:50, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

' I dooo tooo what did the fox said to you? Hafspajen (talk) 01:05, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• Something like "me mee me mee" or so. Drmies (talk) 01:35, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Or maybe - Ding ding ding ding -geringeding [13] Wa pa pa pa pa po, Hatee hatee ho ! here also as animated film for Rosie Hafspajen (talk) 09:26, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Alfred Verwee by Leon Mignon

• I'll show her this afternoon, thanks. I'm starting to hate that song a lot less than I did before. Drmies (talk) 15:06, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• But Dharling, that is a lot of fun...? try this instead. The 60s. Hafspajen (talk) 15:10, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• I wish I had a Baltimore Pussymagnet. Drmies (talk) 15:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Hm, naughty . Aren't you a married man? Hafspajen (talk) 15:25, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Dutch painter Alfred Verwee->nl:Alfred Verwee ...oh, my bad luck Hafspajen (talk) 17:05, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• This might need som work too. Cart with Black Ox by van Gogh. Hafspajen (talk) 17:35, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm on it, for a few minutes at least. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:44, 10 March 2014 (UTC) OK I made a start, but am now making really stupid mistakes so should go to bed. I expect someone to have expanded it enough for DYK by teh time I arise :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 19:01, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• Pledger "argues societies function better when artists have a central role in the national conversation". My adopted step-mother-in-law has a little bronze statuette by Arno Breker, who had a central role in the national conversation- he's the one standing to the left of Hitler and Speer in that snapshot of them in front of the Eifell Tower. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 07:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Interesting. I'd like to read more about his "rehabilitation". Surely he had to have spoken about it. Drmies (talk) 15:02, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• There's an interview here with Breker. He says that after the war he was given invitations by Peron, Franco and Stalin, and said "When Stalin invited me, the American NATO general came to Bavaria personally to take me to Russia. That’s how much respect the Americans had for an offer like that." He claimed to have been trained as an architect, and to have worked as one after the war- it seems because casting bronze sculpture required resources he didn't have. Seems to have had a somewhat dull personality. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 22:20, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

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Clean up on aisle 9 please!

I made a little spill on the non free image, File:Brick Palace recontruction.jpg [14]. I uploaded two fairly over sized attempts that I finally got to a low resolution per NFCC. Uhm...could you please delete the two over sized images that are not appropriate? Thanks in advance!--Mark Miller (talk) 06:58, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• Sure thing Mark. Drmies (talk) 15:00, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you for the help!--Mark Miller (talk) 00:47, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Léon Delarbre

I may have some time to look at this today; is there anything specifically you'd like to see? I don't have anything on him in my library, but can prowl Google books if you haven't already. Looks like you've done a good job thus far. Cheers, JNW (talk) 13:09, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, I was hoping you'd have something on the shelves, or maybe could add some context--but he was the curator of a very local museum, so that doesn't seem so likely. Whatever you can do, or however you can bring it in line with other artists' or curators' articles would be great, thanks. Drmies (talk) 15:05, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Hero

Hero, anyone please, this article is no good. Hafspajen (talk) 15:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• Ha, been busy with other heroes, including our Delarbre. Found and wrote up the group he belonged to during the war. Drmies (talk) 18:53, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Good job. Any pictures yet? And do we need this at Hero : Not to be confused with heroin? Hafspajen (talk) 21:12, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

.So, Mies what would you say, if somebody would come by and would remove every single picture from your page and would leave a message - you are supposed to use this page to discuss things not to put pictures on it. Because that is what happened on Swedih wiki. And it happened several times. And I said to myself, in this case I will not do anything anymore at the Swedish wiki, ever. They even removed a chocolate box wikilove because it was saying - "a chocolate box for myself". Hey, nobody ever gave me anything overthere, not even a chocolate box. I thought that you can make what you want with your talk page, but no, no way. Hafspajen (talk) 22:30, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• And don't tell me they were right, please. Hafspajen (talk) 00:04, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) I don't suppose this will last many seconds, but I enjoyed it. Bishonen | talk 00:22, 11 March 2014 (UTC).

• I can't translate all that without outside help, and I can't do that right now. But Rosie has weighed in on the principal matter, which is that jerks should play elsewhere. Drmies (talk) 00:33, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Hey, guy that was nice of you. Hafspajen (talk) 00:34, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Don't forget to write Rosie a letter. Please put a nice, colorful stamp on the envelope. Maybe I'll translate your talk page tomorrow, if I'm behind my desktop. in the meantime, take it easy. Hej, we're watching America's Funniest Home Videos, that always makes us happy. Drmies (talk) 00:36, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I do wonder what a småpåve is. And how come Bishonen knows Swedish??? Drmies (talk) 00:44, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Small popes, (poops...eh?). How come? Well I was not supposed to tell you, but if you promise not to tell anyone - Bishy works as translator. Or it is just google translation... Hafspajen (talk) 00:48, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Hafspajen must have me mixed up with several other people. But a småpåve, small pope, is a minor officeholder who takes full advantage of the opportunities his office affords him for pushing people around. The use of the word dates me rather firmly — the little popes themselves may well never have heard it — but it just came into my head as perfect for the occasion. Bishonen | talk 00:58, 11 March 2014 (UTC).

Oh, I can make you this translation: (Kollapsar mall och tar bort en skylt från användare som lämnat Wikipedia.) = Collapsing and take off the template "retired" from an user who left Wikipedia. Hafspajen (talk) 01:10, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Well, about the animal: Fluffy, Muffy and Stuffy are good traditional names. Gareth-Griffith-Garfield is unconventional, but has an excentric flavor. Muffin, that is good too. Tiger, Pussy, Smokey, Misty, Kitty, Smokey, Skippy, all popular. Molly, Charlie Tigger, Poppy, Millie, Daisy Max and Jasper also popular. Mozart, Bethowen Athowen Cthowen and Gthowen has a classic touch. Breit was the foxy Norwegian guys name, suitable for a cat too. Jens, Kåre,Geir, Jonatan, Svein, Gregor, Arne-Johannes, Fritjof, and Truls Johan are the other guys alias, ther guy who was called Finn in the video. Crisco, a very god one. And finally Ylvis could do too. Hafspajen (talk) 01:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC).

• I'll read her that list tomorrow. Fritjof--like Fritjof Nansen. That's cool. Arne? I had a book when I was a kid, about Arne Kring. (Can't believe I remember that name, 35 years later. He rode Husqvarna, I remember that too.) There is a Geir I like: Geir Jenssen. Hej, I just reread Troll cat. That was fun. Drmies (talk) 03:18, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
• Did she liked any of them?Hafspajen (talk) 18:40, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	For the freedom fighters. Let's not give in for those who will keep us in the chains of mediocrity, who fight fantasy and colour. Hafspajen (talk) 00:39, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your review

I have a few things to say in detail, but I actually have to go earn some money for a little while instead of using their computers for something *really* worthwhile.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 18:56, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• I'm sure you have a properly functioning Boss key somewhere. Enjoy, Drmies (talk) 18:59, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

No boss at my job, thank goodness. Just stuff that has to get done when it has to get done. Anyway, thanks for your careful reading of that article and your helpful comments. I actually hadn't heard of the incident before I spotted the article Friday morning while working my way through Ernie Lazar's collection of FBI files on right-wing lunatics, and it all of a sudden seemed imperative that I fix it up.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 21:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'm glad you did. Now make some money. Drmies (talk) 21:55, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I already made enough for today! Matthew 6:26–30— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 22:02, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Speaking of small hands, eh?

Reminded me of this:

(i do not know what it is about you that closes

and opens;only something in me understands

the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses)

nobody,not even the rain,has such small hands

—e.e. cummings

Cheers!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 21:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• Alf, if I could ever understand your name and your "made enough for the day already" attitude, I feel we could be great friends. Tell you what, I will dedicate tonight's risotto to you. It better be good! Drmies (talk) 22:57, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

The first one's easily solved, anyway: Alf Laylah Wa Laylah.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 22:59, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Aha! So that answers that. I had a blast rereading that last year, in a new translation and edition by Norton. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 00:24, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I hadn't finished yet ...

... you barsteward. ;-)[15] Eric Corbett 23:09, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• Sorry Eric. I hope that, from Manchester, you can see the set of big brass balls dangling from the back of my my pick-up truck. Drmies (talk) 23:34, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

  Big brass balls up here are more commonly associated with pawnbroker shops. But the topic probably did need to be closed, as Kaldari clearly wasn't going to be blocked, even though I think he should have been. Eric Corbett 23:39, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• You may have seen my comment. I didn't support a block because I try to take this preventative thing seriously (why you'd want one I fully understand). And I don't see the point of a block here--odd, in a way I think that's too good for this behavior, since one can come back from a block and we can act as if a measure of justice was meted out and an appropriate penalty paid, after which we start with a clean slate. Now, if those two hotheads can go do something else, we'll be alright. What they don't see is that their shouting is not helping anyone, and that all of this is probably not a matter for ANI. You wonder if a proactive ArbCom would want to get involved, but then his giving up his little tool is probably considered punishment enough. What got into him pulling a stunt like that is beyond me of course. Anyway, carry on. I promised myself a while ago I'd stay out of ANI to write some articles, and I wrote a couple stubs. I'm going to try to get back to that. Good to see you back here, Eric--perhaps Hafspajen has a nice pastry for you (Haf, one is enough!). Drmies (talk) 00:22, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Don't you start this you too. Eric, how many cakes do you want: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4,5, ...12, 23? Hafspajen (talk) 01:37, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Believe it or not I rarely eat cake, not very fond of it, too sweet for me. Can't remember the last time I ordered a dessert in a restaurant. On the other hand, if you've got a nice hot curry ... Eric Corbett 01:59, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Excuse me for butting in, but despite earlier suggesting that a block was not appropriate, that was predicated on Kaldari doing the honorable thing by taking the next step to avoid further disruption and discontent by withdrawing from the English wikipedia entirely. He obviously isn't doing this, and, furthermore, he compounded his problems by giving inconsistent accounts of his actions (as partially noted by one editor) in his last message, (the other inconsistency is that Risker talked of "discussions" that had taken place with Kaldari before his resignation of his admin tools had been decided, and kaldari just says he was informed of the results of the checkuser with no mention of any discussions that might have included his possible options. I suggest we look at Risker's account to check - I have only limited time to do anything for this week.) Consequently, I think this ends up showing that he is unreliable and untrustworthy and that is exactly the kind of person we do not want on wikipedia. So, I was mulling over the idea of an indefinite block purely on those grounds. Incidentally, a while back it was always touted (possibly by Kaldari's strongest defenders against blocking) that having admin tools was "no big deal". If that still applies, it follows that giving them up is no big deal, either, and so his resignation obviously doesn't match up with the degree of wrong behaviour he has shown here. I just feel that this episode, unless firm action to exclude Kaldari from this wikipedia for the time being, will fester and bring further discontent which will be disruptive, and so any block really would be preventative. I seriously have begun to think of just going ahead and imposing a block myself.  DDStretch  (talk) 02:23, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
  • ddstretch, you've been here so long that I can understand that death mask on your user page. I tell you what, I wasn't aware that Kaldari had said he'd leave the English wiki for good. I would have been fine with them staying here: we have bigger disruptors than him, though a disruptor with a tool is a special kind of disruptor. IMO, that tool removal is a big thing (and I think, as I said earlier, that ArbCom might think that too). Now, I disagree with you that removing him will do much of anything, because I don't agree with the premise (held by some of the people I respect most in this joint) that the admin corps is the problem, and that an example should be made out of this clearly abusive (now former-) admin. At any rate I think such a discussion requires a slightly less public venue than ANI, but that's a minor point. I guess I just don't see how much disruption he can cause.

    You mentioned Risker, whom I'm pinging now out of courtesy, with a curtsy. [/me curtsies to her highness] I'm not clear on what happened. What I know is that I blocked that account--somehow a CU is run, I presume because someone saw it too and pinged a CU, maybe. I don't know about inconsistencies (I'll reread the discussions), but it stands to reason (again, out of courtesy) that one would quietly mention this to the villain in question and discuss options--kind of like slipping Othello the knife behind his back. So, if there's some conversation, some options being mulled, it's not unlikely that there are differing accounts from different sides, and one certainly feels as if one side was a bit halting in producing a truthful account. (I'd be too, having lived in many a glass house.)

    DDStretch, you do what you think is right; that's also why you're an admin. I didn't see a consensus to block, but one can easily read that discussion as "no consensus" in general. To put it another way, I doubt there would be much dissent with such a decision. What good it will do, I don't know. But I'll read the discussions again, and I appreciate your stopping by. Drmies (talk) 02:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

    • You're so cute when you curtsy, Drmies. Here, let me help you up. The account was a horribly obvious sock of someone; I'm not sure who contacted the original checkuser, but I didn't do the checks, mostly because I don't normally have the admin noticeboards on my watchlist so wasn't even aware of the original post. I was checking the CU log for something completely different when I stumbled upon the log entries and, if nothing else, I'm very good at reading the tea leaves; however, as the situation appeared to be in hand with others I stayed out of it at that point. A few days later, Kaldari asked me to review a statement that he had written, and gave me the background of the reason he had written it. I suggested some tweaks, we discussed how likely it was that an Arbcom case and desysopping would be the result, and from that perspective I think Kaldari made the right decision. I believe it was me who told him that the checkuser evidence pointed right at him, though; he gave me no indication that any other checkuser or anyone from the Arbitration Committee had spoken to him, only his own employer. I didn't know anything about any additional websites he was connected to until after the fact. One thing I know about being, shall we say, old enough not to have posted my youthful indiscretions online, is that the few keepsakes of my wilder days are all in boxes in the basement, and not available for public view. I suspect just about everyone has done some spectacularly silly things in their youth. I often wonder about the under-35s and their "living life on the web" — the more public one's activities, the more likely that someone will try to make hay about them.

      Kaldari's contributions point generally to someone who doesn't spend any significant time on the drama boards; he's mostly in article space or doing things like commenting on featured picture candidates; there are some admin-related edits on places like RFPP and some work in the "techie" realms as well. If he sticks to what he usually does on the project (absent the admin stuff), there shouldn't be much reason for concern; his decision to take a wiki-break implies he's had more than his fill of drama. Risker (talk) 03:30, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

      • Risker you should see me when I'm scrubbing. Sorry I didn't see your reply earlier; my Swedish block log got in the way. Thanks for the extensive explanation; I appreciate it. I don't understand things like "checking the CU log" but that's alright. The websites (a hot item on Jimbo's talk page right now) aren't so interesting to me, though it's distasteful. I've had few interactions with Kaldari and have no opinion, really, on what he should do, besides maybe apologize to Eric, haha. Well, this is a bad time: busy here. So thanks again, and I'm moderately interested to see what else will be happening as a result. I hope you have a great weekend, Drmies (talk) 22:40, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

reverted

Mark Miller decided your close at AN/I did not apply to his grousing <g>.

"Roll Tide!" indeed. Collect (talk) 01:45, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Ah well. And now that abusive power player 28bytes has taken my close away from me. I hear 28bytes used to torture frogs when in middle school. Plus, I heard that Darkness Shines doesn't care if someone calls him a wanker which means, of course, that he's a wanker. Anyway, I had a look (again, since I did a few weeks ago) at the John Waters discussion, and I don't like disagreeing with you here but I kind of have to, at least on the narrow matter of the 3R report. And I think you're overplaying that discussion a bit on your talk page, but that's what talk pages are for, perhaps, and some of us know that you, well, you know, have a tendency sometimes to...how shall I put it?...vocalize...with a bit of volume. Anyway, what are you doing still up? Later, Drmies (talk) 02:19, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello. There is currently a discussion at the Wikipedia:Frog abuse accusation noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. 28bytes (talk) 02:24, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• [/me scrambles password and makes for the backdoor] Drmies (talk)

*Ribbet* By the way...I didn't reverse Drmies close...I just wouldn't shut up after it. (If I ever reverse a Drmies close...you may smack me up side the....uhm screen?)--Mark Miller (talk) 02:30, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Is there something in the water?

I think there is. 28bytes (talk) 01:48, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

See, this is the kind of thing that makes me think civility complaints should only be able to be filed at the victim's behest (and all this is is a trumped-up "civility" complaint). Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 02:17, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It could just be me. Does there have to be tainted water? But I apologize for not respecting the close. I felt too many comments were directed at me to not reply. I do offer my apologize to Drmies as generally I respect closings. But I do disagree with Writ.--Mark Miller (talk) 02:19, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Mark, no harm no foul. I don't mind being reverted by someone I generally respect. Now, since you're not an admin and you dared tread on my delicate admin toes, I'm going to block the fuck out of you for a week or so, and I'm going to key your fucking Celica. How about that? (You know what's funny, I sometimes think of Mark Arsten when I see your name, like above, and I think, hey, you're an admin, YOU clean up on aisle 9!)

Civility complaints are fine. Sometimes they're justified. Often they go nowhere--this one simply didn't have any meat to it: one editor complaining about another editor's behavior is an NPA at best, and I'm sure Jimbo can separate his two roles, as Famous Person and as Wikipedia editor (I know Collect and a million others disagree, but hey, I'm the optimist). There's another thread (Mark, you commented in it as well) about that IPadPerson--now there's something to look into. Here's the dictum from the old guy: if a civility charge or two is all there is to it, there's nothing there. If there really is something there you'll find problems in other areas. With Collect, you have a BLP warrior who will interpret the guidelines (gasp!) as he thinks he should, but that's all there is to it. So what if he tells Jimbo, or me, to go stick it where the sun don't shine. In other words, I prefer to close some of these threads quickly since if there's no meat to them (in my judgment of course, and I can be wrong--I didn't see it with IPadPerson the first time) it just becomes another opportunity to rehash old, old problems. Before you know it that wanker Darkness Shines shows up again, and then all hell breaks loose. OK--time to do something else. Writ and 28, I am honored by your visit. Mark, you take care of yourself and I'll see you when you get off that block, haha. Booyah! Drmies (talk) 02:30, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate the faith and respect...but I was edit conflicted when I tried to post and when I got the post in, it was already reverted.

If I ever buy a Celica...key the motherfucker to teach me a well deserved lesson!--Mark Miller (talk) 02:33, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Of course, nobody ever appointed me the grand master of all things BLP, so I can't profess to be infallible. ;) But on which point do you disagree, Mark? I really don't think we can say this was a BLP violation, as there was no assertion of authority in the statement, nor could it plausibly be said to be using Wikipedia's voice. BLP doesn't mean "we're not allowed to express negative opinions about anyone"; if it did, we wouldn't need either a civility policy or a personal attack policy, as both would be covered by BLP. The way I see it, the point of BLP is that we cannot use Wikipedia to mislead people, and I don't see how this could've misled anyone. Now, if you were to argue that the lack of a qualifier such as "I think that..." meant that Collect was in fact using Wikipedia's voice, well, I can kinda see where you're coming from, but the context and location of the comment should still make it eminently clear that it was Collect's opinion, not a statement of fact. What's your take on BLP, such that it would apply here? (Also, sorry Drmies and 28bytes, but I'm hijacking the eff out of this section.) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 02:37, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

This is a very familiar road for me. Many people have different views of Jimmy. Some see him as a god, others see him as just another editor. I just see him as someone I hold in high regard for our interactions and the helpful manner in which he teaches me to better myself on Wikipedia, like you, Drmies, Dennis and even Eric Corbett (still hold the dude in high regard. I really like his contributions as a great content editor). I also actually have some respect for Collect. But...I also hold BLP policy in very high regard. I love to write about people and I took a great deal of time to review BLP because of this interest. BLP is policy, not just a guideline or an essay. Having said that I do understand that there is very little that is absolute on Wikipedia. Jimbo takes a lot of crap. He is indeed a big boy and can defend himself, but...unlike you and me, he is a public figure and sometimes people will actually use that to make claims about the man that I simply feel like standing up to as I would if it were, lets say, Dennis Brown. Some feel that we place ourselves in danger in the public eye and deserve criticism if we use our own names. I can tell you (and the vandalism on my talk page can attest) that using a username didn't protect me from such. My skin is much thicker now than it was even a year ago. But for me, the thickness of my skin is not an obligation to stay out of another editor's "business" when they cross a certain line. That line to me has always been using Wikipedia as a platform for making any statement about anyone that is not clearly a simple matter of criticism. My goodness...I have been very critical of almost everyone I hold in high regard. Seriously...ask Drmies...well heck don't...as I am sure you may even remember your own RFA. But everyone deserves real "consideration" and I do that for EVERYONE.

Yes, I think this was something that we should simply say, "No, you cannot do that", because the written word can be a weapon and if stated in just the right way, an opinion becomes a statement of belief. You, me and collect have every right to believe whatever we wish.......we do not have that right to express those beliefs as if they were indeed fact on Wikipedia. It is not a matter of using Wikipedia's voice of authority and the BLP policy is not written in that manner (at this moment, but you do raise an interesting point that may well be worth bringing up). Our current policy (which, as I state is not absolute) is that statements about living persons that are contentious in any way should be removed without discussion. That much is fact. How far that should be taken and how much it should be pressed is uncertain. But, if I see something I feel is defaming a living person (and yes, I did feel this defamed Jimbo) I tend to support deletion and have even gone as far as actually deleting the material. In this case...I did not. I just expressed my opinion and then, when the editor made sure to repeat it, I stated that they, themselves, were indeed proving that they were guilty of the same. Now....that only garnered the very same criticism of myself. But, I was certain that would happen, even though the very source of the claim was actually present before us. It may have even been an unconscious test I laid out without even trying. I mean, look at what the actual policy is. ;-). Wikipedia is an encyclopedia (Yes, I know I don't need to tell you that) where people come to write facts. As such our policies have come to acknowledge that some people use their own space to promote themselves and their ideas...in this manner we also understand as a community that there are limits to what we are allowed to place in our own space. I actually believe in the qualifier in this instance as being of utmost importance to separate fact and belief from opinion. It is ok to state an opinion, but it is not always right to state what you believe to be true. A lot of text text to say that, that is what I felt here. Sorry if TLDR.--Mark Miller (talk) 03:36, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Well, those are valid points, at least some of them. It is certainly true that our BLP policy applies everywhere but Writ Keeper's point, that if it's all BLP, so to speak, then there is no need for anything else (very clever, Writ Keeper!). So context matters--and again, we have a comment aimed at Wales the person who runs Wikipedia (yeah yeah I know he's not the boss), not Wales the public persona. And, as WK pointed out, context is also the wording and the place (a user talk page). The BLP policy is there to prevent readers from believing incorrectly that terrible things are said and they're correct/verified/to be believed. I can't see that in those comments by Collect. On the other hand, it is true that Jimbo has a target on his back, but removing comment from a user's talk page (and let's face it, Collect's doesn't have the kind of traffic that real pages have, like William Shakespeare or User talk:Drmies) doesn't do all that much: all joking aside, that's context too, "amount of traffic", and surely it matters where comments are made. So, I applaud your efforts to protect his reputation, and while I don't agree with blanking content from Collect's talk page, I appreciate the intent. And I'd love to see you and Collect duke it out, bare-knuckle style. Drmies (talk) 04:18, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I have to agree that context does matter but I am not sure if in this context we have something that flies under BLP policy. Now, having said that...I didn't go to Collects page and blank the contents. I just agreed with the filing editor that this was a BLP violation. The only thing I really disagree with you on is that BLP policy is not aimed at the reader, but at the editor and what they can and cannot write to keep others from being written about unfairly. Collect and I sometimes agree and sometimes disagree. I was willing to discuss the matter but not willing to take any action on this myself...like I did last time when someone accused Jimmy of telling a fib.--Mark Miller (talk) 20:29, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• All arguments by Drmies are invalid per WP:PRIUS. --kelapstick^{(on the run)} 02:45, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Oh yeah? Well, you're a Legoland fan and a wanker. There. Also, I'm going to leave a gif of a turd on your Facebook. Drmies (talk) 03:09, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Done, K-stick. Drmies (talk) 04:18, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Unfortunately it didn't show up, although your Mongolian poop chucker did. And I prefer the term tosser over wanker. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 11:22, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Weird: when I look at your Facebook page I see a big old turd with little eyes staring right at me. Drmies (talk) 14:58, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Might be because I only access it on my phone, probably can't convert shortcuts to Emoji. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 18:42, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Ah yes, there it is. With a sense of humour like that you would fit in well at a family dinner with my family (brother and sister rather than my children...never mind it would fit well with them too).--kelapstick^(bainuu) 01:37, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

• kelapstick, your kids are probably a lot like mine. It's hard to keep them in check when we visit the somewhat well-mannered in-laws. There's a short video on my Facebook somewhere made by Rosie's teacher, in which Rosie giggles and says, "I farted". Yeah, what else is new. Oh, we saw a cow pee in Mississippi: the girls were much impressed, and Sippi noted how cleverly the cow moved her tail sidewards. Drmies (talk) 14:30, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

The Swedish Anti-Wikikilove Iconoclasm.

The four pillars of Swedish Wiki. Pillar NR 5 - that is chucked - be polite and assume good fait... No love to people! No pictures, no Wikilove!!! One can wonder if they only have four pillars overthere. Oh, thanks dear Drmies for all the wikilowe messages. But................. One Swedish Wikipedia administrator just removed ALL Of them, all the Wikilove [16] messages from my talk page over there, whith a exclaim of disgust - remove a bunch of pictures! Hafspajen (talk) 09:40, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Oh gosh. He blocked you for leaving Wikilove messages on my talk page. I am just confused. Are they out of their mind?? Blocking Drmies on Swedish wiki for leaving Wikilove messages?? For three years!

Morale-booster

Also, they indefed Paley (PaleCloudedWhite!) for putting this on my page!!! Really! Hafspajen (talk) 10:02, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

WP:The Swedish iconoclasm, an essay? Also see down here.

"Just floating by where decisions are made..."

"Say it with flowers"

"Pictures
are
good
for
morale"
PCW

Something in the water in Sweden?

More News from Nowhere: they indeffed this guy! (Hello, User:PaleCloudedWhite!) Trollerikonstnär Bishonen next, I presume.[17] They do have barnstars, but it looks like only the official ones are permitted. Cookie good, coffee verboten. And per "Utformning", "Utmärkelsens syfte måste tydligt beskrivas." Ordnung muss sein. P.S. Dutchie, there's got to be a better way to link to other wikipedias? Bishonen | talk 09:53, 11 March 2014 (UTC).

P.S. Congratulations, Drmies, you've been blocked for three years on Swedish Wikipedia. Compare also this. (Not to look at your block notice; it doesn't have one.) Bishonen | talk 10:18, 11 March 2014 (UTC).

But isn't this against personal freedom, I may ask? Keep your talk page free from your personality? Hafspajen (talk) 10:12, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

No, I don't think they're obliged to uphold your personal freedom, any more than your freedom of speech, Hafspaj. It's a private website. Also it's apparently an unpleasant place, why use it? Bishonen | talk 10:18, 11 March 2014 (UTC).

What private webbsite? Isn't the Swedish wiki a spinoff of the English -Original-Wiki - from the begining? Aren't they using our guidlines? Isn't the five pillars anyhing to care for? Oh, sorry, fogot they have only four .. or maybe just two? Hafspajen (talk) 10:57, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

.Bishy, what does it mean **tramsanvändare**? It's what they blocked Drmies for giving cakes, coffee and a kitten. Hafspajen (talk) 11:29, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh come on, Paj. You understand Swedish as well as I do. It means Drmies is tramsig. Bishonen | talk 15:55, 11 March 2014 (UTC).

Guilty as charged. Drmies (talk) 16:05, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Drmies the frivolous user. Hafspajen (talk) 20:37, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Bishonen, is this the functionality you're looking for--[[:sv:Kräftor|Kräftor]], rendering as "Kräftor"? It took me a while to learn that; I've linked to articles on the German wiki that way. I'm sure there's a fancy way to do diffs as well, with some version of the {{diff}} functionality; perhaps Technical 13 or Writ Keeper know more. Drmies (talk) 14:52, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) That's it, thanks. Well, diffs are URLs, so there's no problem. I know the technical guys like to use something else, that's fully one or two characters shorter, but I don't see the point — ordinary diff URLs always work, and put no strain on my skills. Bishonen | talk 15:55, 11 March 2014 (UTC).

• If you are asking if there is a way to link to a diff, you can do it with a raw url like this change by Addbot (code: {{Plain link|{{fullurl:sv:Kräftor|diff=20111102&oldid=17230054}} this change by Addbot}}). If you are asking if the {{Diff}} template has this functionality built in, this change by Addbot (code:{{Diff|:sv:Kräftor|20111102|17230054|this change by Addbot}}) will do the same thing. Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 15:48, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

This just in

I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT PEOPLE LIKE ME AS A MEMBER. Jonathan, you monkey. Hafspajen (talk) 12:19, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Ha, exciting developments as we speak![18] Your colourful block log is here! I want one! (Thank you, Grillo. I know you edit a little here.) Bishonen | talk 10:33, 11 March 2014 (UTC).

• Apparently Grillo is the only sane admin over there. Hafspajen (talk) 11:09, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• "Highly regarded"? --kelapstick^(bainuu) 11:17, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

JEee, I am on the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard Incident Hafspajen - my first time ever, how exciting at the Swedish Administrators noticeboard Hafspajen (talk) 11:35, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't get it. Everybody on Swedis wiki talks almost perfect English. Don't they read The original Wikipedia guidlines? Arn't they supposed to kind of respect them, at least a little? Or they just go and make their own? Hafspajen (talk) 11:52, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Swedish Administrators' noticeboard Incident Hafspajen = And they were not even noticed anyone

Av någon anledning har ett gäng admins gång på gång raderat bilder och mallar från Hafspajens diskussionssida, vilket gjorde användaren upprörd och till slut la upp ett "jag lämnar Wikipedia"-meddelande. Detta ledde till ett gäng wikilovemeddelanden från användare från enwp, vilka av någon anledning raderades. Därpå blockerades båda de användare som la in dessa meddelanden, Drmies och PaleCloudedWhite, på tre år (av MagnusA) resp obestämd tid (av Luttrad). Båda dessa är etablerade användare på enwp som troligen mest ville visa sitt stöd för en bekant som de upplevde behandlades felaktigt. Är detta verkligen blockeringsgrundande, speciellt utan att motivera blockeringarna mer än med "tramskonto"? Jag valde att omedelbart häva dessa blockeringar, och undrar nu vem som handlat fel i denna situation. /Grillo . Well. well. Hafspajen (talk) 11:58, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Translation

For some reason has a bunch of admins repeatedly deleted images and templates from the Hafspajens discussion page, made the user upset who finally left an "I'm leaving Wikipedia" message. (Acctually the message was leawing Swedish Wiki). This led to a bunch of wikilove messages from users from external wikis, which for some reason was deleted. Subsequently, they blocked both users who put these messages, Drmies for three years and PaleCloudedWhite, indefinitely (by admin MagnusA) and Luttrad. Both of these are established users on externalwikis that probably mostly wanted to show their support for an acquaintance who they felt was treated improperly. Is this is really a good idea especially without having to justify blocking more than with "nonsense account"? I chose to immediately rescind these blockages, and wonder now who acted wrongly in this situation. /Grillo . Well. well. Hafspajen (talk) 12:03, 11 March 2014 (UTC) (Hafspajen in Translation =Sea-Pie)

The weird thing is that both Swedish blocking admins MagnusA) and Luttrad have accounts here on THIS Wiki. Now they go on deffending themselfes that they had no idea how things work on the English wiki, had no idea whatsoever that Drmies was an administrator here or Bishonen, and how the English Wiki guidlines work or if there is such a thing as Wikilove? Hafspajen (talk) 12:08, 11 March 2014 (UTC).

But the discussion is not very convincing. We didn't know anyhing, how could we know about Drmies? This user doesn't want to conform OUR rules. Is it a nöw rúle - don't you give cakes and other Wikilowe items? - Now they say, that I will be back soon and it is just empty words. Really? No, not without an apology. And not without an apology especially for Drmies and Bishonen and PaleCloudedWhite. Hafspajen (talk) 12:18, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikilove, against the rules? Than why is there a big red heart to click on while viewing user talk pages on sv-wikipedia? Those wacky Swedes. I used to work with a couple Atlas Copco guys from Sweden. Barrel of laughs. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 12:28, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Maybe the Swedes are too reserved for so much Wikilove. Wait til my aunt in Lomma hears about this. Kelapstick, for many years I worked for a company that sold Atlas Copco: the most beautiful compressors ever built. I used to go into the storage areas and neatly align all the wonderful blue-and-white boxes of SKF ball bearings. Those were the days! Drmies (talk) 14:14, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• ...Sigh. See unusual behaviour. even for grolls-? Hafspajen (talk) 12:40, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

SEE WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT Drmies: Attacks? Who is attacking anyone? An account is registered in the middle of the night and the first move it makes adding some nonsense images on a discussion page where it was discussed at the existence of irrelevant images with surging emotions as a result. Typical troll behavior. For me it was clear that someone is against Hafspajen. Even if it was the world's most experienced user from another language version that stood behind such a thing so I actually think it's quite ill judged by him. The blockage was in any case quite obvious to me. (Stated by administrator Luttrad who has an account here - by the way) Hafspajen (talk) 12:48, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Jee, Mies WHAT WERE YOU DOING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT ON SWEDISH WIKI? BAD JUDGMENT. Really, You should have waited until it was night at your place, you know. Hafspajen (talk) 12:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

To be fair, said user only has 29 edits on en.wikipedia, it is fair to say that they may not have heard of Drmies. Having said that Drmies, do you not have a unified login? --kelapstick^(bainuu) 13:03, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Eh, too fair. He is an admin, how come he doesn't recognize a wikilowe message, and call it a bunch of messy pictures worth to block Drmies for? Hafspajen (talk) 13:40, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

That is a whole other argument, since sv.wp has a page on WikiLove, and it is included as part of the interface, there is no reason. Maybe the Swedish Hammer is heavier than the English one, I don't know, but using common sense™ I would say it was not called for. As such I have created my sv userpage with a link to here. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 13:57, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, let's not anathemize the Swedes immediately. K, maybe they saw the poop on your user page and decided your little friends were up to no good. Their AN really needs a TOC, though. Drmies (talk) 14:20, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

You should know better than to use words with more than three syllables when addressing me doc. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 14:26, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

What, I am still trying to calm down myself, because I am angry. Why is it so easy to block people there? For there was no warning on Drmies talkpage. Eh... The Swedish Blue ducks. Hafspajen (talk) 14:34, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry Hafspajen--I realize that for you this is much less a laughing matter than for me. "Chastened" (who needs a chastening) cited the Swedish version of WP:RBI, which obviates the requirement of a warning--but that AGF wasn't even considered is a bit chillsome. Well, maybe the AN-thread serves as a warning that they should be more careful. At least the actions were reversed. I hope they don't block me for leaving some Wikilove on Grillo's talk page. K, Sweden and the American South are the only places I know where people eat crawfish--isn't that odd? Drmies (talk) 14:43, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Ugh.-I am ashamed on their behalf for how they treated you and PaleCloudedWhite. A barbaric country. ^{(Yeah, weird)} Hafspajen (talk) 14:45, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• That is because we let our crawfish grow up to be lobsters.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 14:49, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
• No no no Hafspajen, not a terrible country at all. I'd move in a heartbeat if I could--but I'd be editing the English wiki still. Drmies (talk) 14:53, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) Point of information: Luttrad's explanation refers to his indef-block of PaleCloudedWhite, who had added the two pictures and message reproduced above, not Wikilove messages; as Grillo said at the Swedish version of AN, PaleCloudedWhite and Drmies were blocked respectively by two different admins and indef vs. 3 years. That minor point made ... incredible. tramsanvändare apparently = troll? Yngvadottir (talk) 15:22, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Ha. That's making it into a collective madness. Hafspajen (talk) 16:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks. Did you see I left Luttrad a note, asking (politely I though) to reconsider the block on PCW? No reply. Drmies (talk) 15:35, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, and a welcome for poor PaleCloudedWhite :-) I got a nice fat welcome template on my sv.wikipedia user talk page when I first happened to crop up there, I don't know what's gotten into them since. The various versions of Wikipedia are to a great extent autonomous and do have differing rules and ways, but "casting kittens about" should not be a crime. However, discussion continues on that noticeboard, with a judicious post by Ternarius being the latest I see. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:05, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• I also got a nice welcome, and an article served: Yogosafirer, including Main page treatment, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:33, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Those were the times. From now on you may have to ask Thomas instead to help you translate articles for the Swedish wiki. I kind of lost my enthusiasm, - pitty we have just started an interesting project here, well, bad luck. If it is criminal to post pictures on your talk page, well... what next? No meanings starting with the letter s? Hafspajen (talk) 18:15, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• I just read your "Quo Vadis" note there. The editor right above you makes some sense, and perhaps they'll come to lose some of that provinciality. I wish I actually knew Swedish; I'd translate one of my articles and donate it to them. But, as you know, I won't get much farther than "kann jog ha patar?" and [Bish, avert your lovely eyes] "vill du knulla med mig?". And, of course, "ju langre ekorre, desto storre noje!" (I invented that one in Swedish class, years ago.) Drmies (talk) 18:23, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Hm, vill du knulla med mig is not one will learn in Swedish class ... where were you having THAT class? Hafspajen (talk) 18:27, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Haha, I learned that from the kids on Öland, I think. I thought it meant "kiss". Good thing I never used that line. I had to teach them a dirty line in English in return--which they ended up yelling, in chorus, all over the campground. Bad move. Drmies (talk) 18:30, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• I once tried to get my Spanish instructor to teach me to say "Trust me, I'm a Doctor", but she had the foresight not to. Unfortunately. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 18:40, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• I think I told you all about the time that an American told me how to ask for directions in Paris to this unfindable little theater: "Veuillez-vous vous asseoir sur mon visage?" Drmies (talk) 18:44, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• "Please sit on my face?" ; well that does sounds weird in French. Naughty guy. Is like cold cut sounds weird in lets say Italian = freddo taglio. Hafspajen (talk) 18:51, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Something to make you laugh [19]! A classic I have stolen.Hafspajen (talk) 19:47, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks, Northern Antarctica (talk) 16:32, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

You get to have all the fun...--kelapstick^(bainuu) 16:58, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Northern Antarctica, I just responded there. I don't think the case should be accepted, and I'll bet you ten bucks that it won't. I also said there that I understand the sentiment that led you to it (you probably know that I've had my own trouble with that editor; I wish you'd find a different way to make this place more liveable (like, avoiding your opponent...). If you'd get out of this category mentality, which I think you have, things would become a lot easier: you want Eric gone, so you support Kaldari? His actions were reprehensible, as I'm sure you realize. But you don't have to like everyone here, and a continued focus on what is essentially a personal matter makes everything more difficult for everyone, especially for yourself. And that's a shame, because you have done many good things here, and I'm sure you still do them, but this can't but be a distraction. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 18:11, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Just for the record, I wasn't supporting Kaldari as much as trying to prevent him from being kicked while he was down. His actions were certainly reprehensible. I wasn't unhappy that he was, as you say, "admonished pretty broadly". Instead, I was unhappy at what I perceived as people unnecessarily digging up dirt on him. Ihardlythinkso, who was already angry at me for rather impolitely challenging his RfA !vote, used my position at ANI as further reason to ridicule and yell at me. So, this really has very little to do with the Kaldari case. Also, as much as Eric and I have our differences, I don't hate him. Northern Antarctica (talk) 18:58, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Well, I'm glad to hear that. You know, we can't fix everything. I think it's best if you leave them alone, as difficult as that may be. That's what I've done, pretty much--I just stay out of their way. Drmies (talk) 19:01, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• And that's all I want. (Thank you, Drmies.) Sincere, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 20:53, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Well, I also wanted you to leave Summer alone. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 13:09, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

• That's true. ("Sorry about that, Chief!" -Maxwell Smart.) Could she leave me alone too (templating; attempts to defame including wild paraphrasing, misquoting, false accusations)? (And for the record, you asked once that I leave a socking troll alone. [Not suggesting Summer's a troll.] And now he's a casual if infrequent "friend". [Go figure!]) Cheers, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 17:14, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi my talk page, please?

Can you semi-protect my talk page for 24 hours, please. I'm getting hassle resulting from stuff surrounding Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lalitshastri and, judging by the tendentiousness of that underlying dispute, they're not going to stop hitting my talk. They're at the British Library, so they'll likely be leaving for home soon - I could tell you where that is but they've edited from there also, so there is no reason to think it will stop until tomorrow morning. - Sitush (talk) 18:49, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. They claim to be academics but you're a more useful one to me ;) - Sitush (talk) 19:02, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

What are you doing to me here, Sitush and Drmies? You're shutting off the tap to my best material! Bishonen | talk 20:20, 11 March 2014 (UTC).

This actually coincides with my intent to give a barnstar to Sitush. Especially if there's one expressly for putting up with crap from incompetent accounts. JNW (talk) 20:28, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Bishonen, that's priceless. Please, I need more jokes. I tried to e-file my taxes and was rejected: apparently there are TWO Social Security Number problems in my 1040. Ooooooooh shit. Drmies (talk) 01:02, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

You can't claim a mistress as a dependent, only as a liability. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 17:18, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Woah, who is this stranger in our midst? - Sitush (talk) 17:22, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Dennis, you're talking about my daughter, dude. Also, I found you a place to live: northern Mississippi. No Internet acces, no craft beers: perfect. No report on the quality of the weed. Drmies (talk) 19:52, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Can't say about Mississippi, but I wouldn't throw away any useful phone numbers from Georgia. I got to help someone with MS the other day, was a good day. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:19, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, we're back from Mississippi--four hours and fifteen minutes without stopping. Got home at 11. Everyone is sleepy and Sippi had to be in school early to make up work; poor Mrs. Drmies had to get out of the house by six for some training in Birmingham. She's riding with some nut who thinks that Birmingham is 2 1/2 hours away, the same drive I did in an hour and five minutes last night. Dennis, someone with MS, the disease, right? Good for you--thanks, on behalf of my old friend Ferdinand as well. He was my age in college; I hope he's still alive. Drmies (talk) 14:26, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I never liked driving in Mississippi, they drive too slow, like they get paid by the hour. Now, taking I65 from Birmingham to Montgomery, I find a lot of drivers that think it is supposed to be a 45 minute drive. Only Interstate I've driven 80mph on and had people fly by me like I was standing still. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 14:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Foxy

	The Foxy Dr Mies Barnstar
	Wikilove wikilovewikilovewikilovewikilovewikilovewikilovewikilovewikilovewikilovewikilove Hafspajen (talk) 20:08, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

n.b. This is NOT on the list of approved templates. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 22:28, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Hmmmm...Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:44, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

This is , 74Mandy a Make your OWN-kind-off template.Hafspajen (talk) 13:19, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Thankyou

A big one

The bigger, the better

Thankyou Drmies for your comments over in Scandinavia earlier today - I very much appreciated them. It was nice to come home, after a long but enjoyable day gardening, to discover that the storm had pretty much blown over. An indefinite block for a bouquet of roses, and 3 years for a kitten, my my! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:01, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

HM, I said that it is not right that they should have those blocks in their history pleasr remove it. And they say that is impossible to remove Drmies and Paley from the block log for technical reasons. Is this true? Hafspajen (talk) 23:05, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I am quite certain it is impossible to remove a block log from a user's history. Accidental blocks cannot be removed (see my log for instance). None the less, I have gone to the trouble to make a soft redirect on the good doctor's sv page. Hopefully this negates some future trouble when he is out gallivanting in the future.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 23:11, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Well now, this is all very exciting. Haf, I don't care for my block log there, but I appreciate the concern. K, I don't set out to gallivant on purpose, you know...I'd rather be bunburying. Drmies (talk) 01:08, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Just... a bit... further... *hnnhgn*

You trams-users sure did manage to stir the pot good over at Swedish Wikipedia. Verbal trench have been dug, accusations and counter-accusations have been flying, one of the admins has even labeled your intense banter here as "bullying" and both appear to have resigned their adminship in disgust at their treatment (on even gave up his bureacrat rights!). A supporter actually pseudo-quoted Joseph Stilwell in support. High drama! This might actually have done some good in the long run, though. I think we've had a rather liberal "block anything that's annoyingly unusual"-policy a bit too long. This made the problem that more obvious.

Thank you so much for the excellent comedy further up, btw. I mean, ju langre ekorre, desto storre noje. Is that poetry or what?

Peter ^Isotalo 18:14, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Peter, belive it or not I am really sorry. I really wish that instead of all this people would only said, wow, we made a mistake. To bad, sorry. And then we would probably answered, well, yeah, all right, no problem. ^{like that ekkore}Hafspajen (talk) 18:20, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

La krabo estas dolĉa!

I don't think Swedish wikifolks overall are good with the combination of strange strangers and careless use of admin tools. Conflict resolution is often based more on intense verbal showdowns, counter-accusations and shrill yells of "I HAD GOOD INTENTIONS SO CAN YOU LET IT GO ALREADY, SHEESH STOP HARASSING ME". Believe it or not, you're almost expected to be more humble if you've been on the receiving end of a bad block than the admin who dished it out. You know, the we-shouldn't-pass-judgement-lest-someone-gets-sad-about-it thing.

But don't feel bad. People will probably learn something from it. Like giving each other more cake and flowers. And small, furry mammals. Or crabs. Crabs are definitely overlooked in the cuteness department.

Peter ^Isotalo 18:33, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

• La krabo kiu similas junan dancistinon. (or is it kia, kio? I always mix those up) By the way I don't think that it was that unusual with wikilove messages. I think it was used even before, Hafspajen (talk) 18:45, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Well I'll be... He must've joined the Anti-Kitty League at some point.

Peter ^Isotalo 18:58, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Sigh. Hafspajen (talk) 18:59, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

"the longer the squirrel, the greater the pleasure" Eh? Was something lost (or gained?) in translation? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 19:19, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, something was lost. Hafspajen (talk) 19:38, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, "pleasure" wouldn't necessarily be wrong, but it has a... hrrm... carnal tinge to it that isn't in there in Swedish. "Joy" or "amusement" would be more appropriate. And chaste. But that's what it means. Memorable, eh!

Peter ^Isotalo 19:55, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

• For the life of me I can't remember the name of my Swedish teacher at Alabama. I can picture him--he was tall and blond (of course). He had glasses and I think he was in International Business Management or something like that. His English was quite good, with that nice thick Scandinavian accent. I was in a class full of people who took a foreign language cause they couldn't hack the alternative, some computer class (same kind of people I tried to teach Dutch over there). We used to do quite a bit of drinking. Anyway, he was trying to teach the "The…the… with comparative adjectives" structure (I'm sure there's a term for it, but my brain is tired this morning), and I thought I'd come up with a sample sentence, which he translated. "Pleasure" was just a noun to fill the slot, initially. And it always reminds me of that Sjöwall and Wahlöö character somewhere in Skane, I believe--in Murder at the Savoy? That nice inspector Nöjd, who, when he made a phone call, said his name as if there were a question mark behind it, causing some bafflement on the other end (haha, Swedish joke).

  There was a relatively small and relatively loud group of Swedish students at Alabama; I don't think any of them were athletes (the Icelanders at my current school are usually soccer players), they were business students mostly. Much fun, and meatball dinners.

  Anyway, I am with Hafspajen here. I don't want to see heads roll: a simple "sorry" would suffice. Now, if, as is suggested here, block on sight is the culture there, then something probably needs to change--it's just bad advertisement for the project, and Wikilove was invented precisely to make the atmosphere less charged, even less formal. Drmies (talk) 14:19, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Drmies' hapless squirrel, Frode, barked up the wrong tree, is now trying to get to the right tree.

• Ha, I remember! His name was Erik, of course (they're all called Erik, except for the ones called Frode!), and the term he used was njutning, which I thought a very utilitarian-sounding word for "pleasure", as if some Lutheran nun was explaining sexuality. It must be (etymologically) related to Dutch "nut", hence my association. Drmies (talk) 14:22, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Njutning utilitarian? No, no, your squirrel is barking up the wrong tree there. Njutning is indecently sensual. I can't even type it without blushing. Bishonen | talk 15:29, 14 March 2014 (UTC).

Oh, that warms the cockles of my heart, also. Drmies (talk) 18:04, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

'Well, no simple "sorry"s came, [20], but that's life. Have you noticed Scandinavians (not me) say Yentlemen, please? Ladies and yentlemen Not gentlemen. Hafspajen (talk) 14:32, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• Lutherans don't keep nuns, so she could not explaining sexuality to you. You were deceived. She was probably an ordinary women. We lutherans do have sex, and we want our priest to do that too. Actually we may force them, like King Leo did who forced monks to walk hand in hand with women in the Roman circus arena during the Byzantine Iconoclasm while the iconoclasm lasted. Hafspajen (talk) 18:17, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

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Nuts

Senhor Testiculo has now been moved into the mainspace. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 14:12, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

External link that looks like internal

What's your gut feel on the appropriateness in mainspace of external links that look like internal links, like this one: Wikipedia. Just found one in Leopard seal, seems a bit odd to me. NE Ent 01:49, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Are they reasonable links? As a rule I would say no. No to links in the body of text and really no to hidden as wikilinks. --kelapstick^{(on the run)} 02:26, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Also (talk page stalker) I believe inline links are deprecated. They certainly are when they serve as citations: Wikipedia:Embedded citations, but that's the only statement I've been able to find so far. Yngvadottir (talk) 13:04, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• That's the first time I've ever seen that kind of linkage, Ent. My gut feeling is, really, that's deceitful! My policy feel is I don't know, Yngvadottir is probably right, and for practical purposes K-stick is right as well. What a strange link--that's really how you found it? I do find leopard seals to be a bit deceitful: they hide as cute little seal but devour cute little penguins. You know, I know nothing about these "span" things besides that I've seen them used in signatures, with font parameters: an HTML remainder? Strange. Drmies (talk) 13:53, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• Indeed. Was making some effort to stop wasting my time on Wikipedia, was time wasting on facebook and the seal trying to find the diver story is making the rounds. Sounded a little urban legend to me, and my googling lead me right back to Wikipedia -- it seems there is No Exit for me. NE Ent 16:32, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Crisco, MA

• So, my defense is over, and I am (barring unforeseen circumstances) now Crisco, MA. Feels good. Feels very good. Also, I am hoping to publish my thesis as a book: "Ekranisasi Awal: Adapting Novels to the Silver Screen in the Dutch East Indies". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:35, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
  • (talk page stalker) Yay, congratulations! Now about the doctorate ... Yngvadottir (talk) 12:58, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Indeed, eh? But somehow Drcrisco is hard to read. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:21, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• Make that Dr Crisco, congratulations! Hafspajen (talk) 14:16, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• True, we could space it out. But somehow it doesn't plagiarize honour Drmies enough. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:19, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• All joking aside, well done Chris, and I'm very proud of and for you. Drmies (talk) 14:31, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks, Drmies. Here, have a beer on me. Well, not on me (I don't think my wife wants to share) but you know what I mean. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:44, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Better than fried Devil's Locust

Mufaddal Saifuddin

May participate at talk page if you have any value addition.--Md iet (talk) 06:49, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks! Drmies (talk) 14:32, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Goethe Oak

The DYK project (nominate) 08:22, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Léon Delarbre

The DYK project (nominate) 08:23, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Volontaires de la Liberté

The DYK project (nominate) 08:23, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Email

Ha, in Sweden you might got blocked for using such excessive amounts of pictures

• Certainly gets your attention, eh? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:02, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Hafspajen - Get back to my talk page, right now or you will be in trouble! You are supposed to be doing a review, not playing in the good Doctor's cybercafe! And Crisco - you stop distracting him! Any more naughtiness from any of you and instead of being sent to sit on the naughty step, you will be banished to the Swedish Wikipedia. [grabs the recalcitrant editor by the hand and drags him back to work on doing a DYK review]. SagaciousPhil - Chat 16:17, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

' Not a new style of iconoclasm? Hafspajen (talk) 16:19, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• Careful--it's a jävla dårhus. Drmies (talk) 17:11, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• Do you know there is a little train going to the Enchanted forrest? File:TrollskogenMuseumsbahnDescription.JPG Hafspajen (talk) 21:56, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, I think I knew that though I didn't ride it. In fact, I rode a 10-speed Raleigh randonneur, my first fancy bike. BTW, "Troll's Forest", Hafspajen, is the translation all over the travel books... Drmies (talk) 22:02, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Didn't I gave you that reference with the Swedis honourable Turist Board Svenska Turistföreningen calling it magical? Try translate Trolsk, that is your word. By the way, I think both words have a common rot, magic. Hafspajen (talk) 22:08, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

.Actually I am uncertain now. Could be both magical and with trolls. Hafspajen (talk) 23:02, 14 March 2014 (UTC) vide Trollskogen o[21]

Linné is traveling to Öland. [22] video. The point is that that shipwreck was there aleady 1740. Because he documented it in his travelbooks. Hafspajen (talk) 23:21, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• What would a Swede do in the enchanted forrest ? Look for chanterelles. Here, look, very good, kantarelli, see very good. kantarelli chase. Hafspajen (talk) 00:31, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

• That man knows that he's doing. Such a hip Volvo, too--I figured he'd be in a 144, at his age. Did you remove the wikilinks from Swiks? Cause I just translated that: the worst article I ever wrote, not a single reference to be found anywhere. Even the blogs suck. Drmies (talk) 00:37, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

No, not what I know of..? But are you sure that it is the Swick? There was a shipwreck already when Linné was trevelig there. Of course it doesn't have to be the same... Well, the Swedes may block you without the different warnings levels, level 1, level 2 and so on and final warning, but they don't care that much for refs. Hafspajen (talk) 12:47, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

• Now how did those wikilinks disappeared? See, last edit: links still there [23] and now nothing. No, it was not me, for sure. Now that is weird, the link is there but it is not visible. Check, there is actually a link in the text. Hafspajen (talk) 12:54, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Swiks Refs

Some refs for Swiks: Sjöhistoriska museetnow that is good, and this OK reseguiden - this is the this gives you a book as referenceand some not so good,[24] - [25] some video- - [26] here 3 pictures on flicr:http://www.flickr.com/photos/jdahlin/4631387589/, more flicr - http://www.flickr.com/photos/ichimusai/155797071/- http://flickrhivemind.net/Tags/swiks/Interesting Hafspajen (talk) 13:49, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

SOME STORY from flicr The ship Swiks is still lying here after all these years. It was a three masted schooner from Mariehamn in the Ålands. Swiks had done many long journeys before, she had for example transported guano from the Seychelles to England.

The ship was at the time not carrying anything but ballast when a bad storm hit it just before midnigt on the 21 of December 1926.

The captain ordered her in to the Kalmar straits in order to escape the bad weather, however he miscalculated their position. If he had waited one more nautic mile he would have gone clear.

What happened instead was that she went straight up on the sand banks. Everyone in the crew managed to get away and even though they spent several hours in wet clothes in the snow storm trying to find their way out of the Troll Forest, they finally managed to find a cabin where people took care of them - everyone survived the wreck.

The waves threw the ship high up on the beach where it has remained until this day. A hurricane in 1954 broke the ship in half, and today only the forward part of the ship remains to be seen.

It is a monument to a wild coast with wild weather - just as much as the trees here in the Troll Forest are.Hafspajen (talk) 13:53, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, there's no way I'm going to be able to get Fantastiska Öland through Interlibrary Loan, but that's OK. Both the blog and the Reseguiden site have that as a source. The Sjohistorika page is very useful: what a beautiful ship. Did you notice I went over to work on Mērsrags a bit? Same landscape, no doubt, as the Swedish coast, and that's where the Swiks was built (or thereabouts). So thanks for the links! Drmies (talk) 00:37, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
• Crisco 1492, do you think the image here is OK to steal? Drmies (talk) 00:39, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

• When did the photographer die? When was this first published? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:41, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

• Dunno, dunno... "From the collection of Pauline Eriksson", that's all I know... And there's this one. Drmies (talk) 02:34, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Carpe Diem Party

Oh dear! Oh dear! I shall be too late!

Dr Mies, there is a party at in Alice in Wonderland Bishzilla special club. Hafspajen (talk) 14:11, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

• There was nothing so very remarkable in that; nor did Alice think it so very much out of the ordinary to hear the Rabbit say to itself 'Oh dear! Oh dear! I shall be too late!' ...but when the Rabbit actually took a watch out its waistcoat pocket, and looked at it, and then hurried on, Alice startled to her feet.
• So many out-of-the-way things had happened lately, that Alice had begun to think that very few things indeed were really impossible.
  There seemed to be no use in waiting by the little door, so she went back to the table, half hoping she might find another key on it, or at any rate a book of rules for shutting people up like telescopes: this time she found a little bottle on it, ('which certainly was not here before,' said Alice,) and round the neck of the bottle was a paper label, with the words 'DRINK ME' beautifully printed on it in large letters.

• 'Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here ? '
  'That depends a good deal on where you want to get to,' said bishzilla .
  'I don't much care where —' said Alice.
  'Then it doesn't matter which way you go,' said bishzilla

Alice trying to play croquet with a Flamingo.

• 'But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
  'Oh, you can't help that,' said the bishzilla : 'we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
  'How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
  'You must be,' said bishzilla , 'or you wouldn't have come here.'
  Alice didn't think that proved it at all; however, she went on 'And how do you know that you're mad?'
  'To begin with,' said bishzilla , 'a dog's not mad. You grant that?'
  'I suppose so,' said Alice.
  'Well, then,' bishzilla went on, 'you see, a dog growls when it's angry, and wags its tail when it's pleased. Now I growl when I'm pleased, and wag my tail when I'm angry. Therefore I'm mad.'

Alfred Lord Tennisball (talk) 14:11, 15 March 2014 (UTC) You are supposed to pick up someting , a cup of coffee, or so and say something wise. Or just chat, I guess. New kind of cyberparty. I imagine that it should be some kind of Sathurday night club for wikipedians, judging by the cosy enviroment, cigars, cakes and other refresments. Like only Sathurdays. Like Dead Poets Society without Dead poets . Hafspajen (talk) 16:53, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Bishzilla, comfirm, please. Hafspajen (talk) 18:38, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

(Wikistalker comment) Doesn't look much like (an) Alice to me.... — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:40, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh, Arthur... Hafspajen (talk) 18:41, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

• Not party, education event! Class in cake eating (burp)! Carpe panem, seize the cake! Saturdays only. Hosted by learned little 'shonen, something of an expert in subject. Open University! The little Hafspaj is otherwise correct: eat cakes, drink tea, converse wisely is topic of day. Many users probably joined class and threw selves into subject, or in some cases into fridge, though flag of conversation hoisted by Hafspajen only. Does the little Hafspajen have more cakes for pocket fridge? Oh, look! [Catches sight of photo of her pretty sister Alice. Preens.] bishzilla _ROARR!! 21:25, 15 March 2014 (UTC).
  • Ha, well, I missed something, I gather. I would not mind some cake--the fridge is empty and there is no dessert. There isn't even liquor to substitute for dessert. (Note I cut some pictures, since often enough I check this page from my cell phone.) I got some sweetness at nap time, so the day wasn't wholly wasted, and the pool is looking better every day. Warrington, I thought of you a few times today, since the question of what the fox says has a habit of popping up in conversation. Mrs. Drmies asked her phone, and Siri told her it was an ancient mystery. Bishzilla, Moosezilla has come and gone, and all this begs the question of what Chedzilla is doing these days. I might ask ArbCom to approve Mieszilla, but what would I do with yet another account? Drmies (talk) 00:30, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

next party in a week,Hafspajen (talk) 00:34, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Phrasing

Is it "he took a leave of absence" or "took leave of absence"? I'm pretty sure that the latter is English English. - Sitush (talk) 17:10, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• For me it's the first. Drmies (talk) 17:11, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• Hm. Perhaps it is a US/UK thing, then. I might ping @Eric Corbett: - oh, I've just done it. The article is Arvind Kejriwal, which raises the thorny issue of Indian English also, for which see this thread at MOS talk. - Sitush (talk) 17:42, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

  The second. Eric Corbett 19:24, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• Wow. We are truly divided, aren't we? To me,, that second one sounds odd--like he decided to quit being absent all the time. Drmies (talk) 19:29, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• For Indian topics I'd default to BrE. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:30, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• I think that most sensible people would, unless there is strong evidence to the contrary for a particular usage. Obviously, Drmies was not aware of the context when I posed the initial question. At that point, I wasn't even aware that the first variant that I listed was valid anywhere. - Sitush (talk) 14:42, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

• In CaE I'd use the first, so yeah, it definitely is appropriate in some situations... rather, I was surprised that "took leave of absence" was correct. Not too unexpected though, as BrE seems to have something against articles. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:06, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

User:Badmachine/gallery

hi Doc. would you please do me a solid and delete this? i have tried to cblank it, only to find my blanking not only reverted, but oversighted as well. if you need any confirmation, check my contribs at ED (i'm hipcrime over there), and you'll see a null edit on Jmh649 confirming this is me. thanks for any help you can give. :) 184.8.109.109 (talk) 18:14, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• Sure thing, Badmachine. You know I can't go over to ED: my religion won't allow me, and the WMF is tracing my whereabouts. Take it easy--I hope you're doing alright. Drmies (talk) 18:30, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• thanks Doc. you're (among) the greatest. <3 173.84.211.60 (talk) 19:56, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• Ha, sounds like select company. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 20:04, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

My pet peeve - "females"

Hi Drmies, I am not sure how interested you are in my pet peeves, but it never hurts to try, right?

Anyway, I believe I am not the only wikipedian who finds the use of the term female offensive when it is used to describe women who are notable enough to be included in Wikipedia. I also find the term male offensive when it is used in this context.

If you are wondering why I am picking on you, the reason is simple: I just discovered a category you created four years ago: Category:Female suicides which may be clinically and linguistically correct, however I am not sure family members of these women would construe it as such. Since many here emulate you , I just wanted to make you aware of the feelings of some wikipedians.

If you reply on your talkpage, I would appreciate a notification. Thanks in advance, XOttawahitech (talk) 15:05, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

• Ottawahitech, I had forgotten all about that category. You are not the only Wikipedian who finds the term offensive, but I find it offensive dependent on context: as a noun, used to refer to humans of the female persuasion, I find it repugnant, but as an adjective I have no problem with it. I think my problem, but I have to think about this some more, is that its use as a substantive is a kind of reduction (or worse, a kind of synecdoche) that we as humans should have outgrown. Now, if you find its use as an adjective objectionable, I suggest you try and write up what your arguments are--not necessarily for some discussion here, but in general, to organize it--and then do something with it. And if you want to propose renaming the category, go for it: but you should know that I intend "female" in that category name as an adjective, and I think it follows general Wikipedia convention. But go for it, if you want to change that or something else, and keep me posted. Thanks for the note, Drmies (talk) 23:39, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
• BTW, I'm not quite clear on how this category name would be offensive, nor do I see what "when it is used to describe women who are not notable enough to be included in Wikipedia" means here. The category was for articles in Wikipedia, and if a term is offensive, it is so whether someone is notable enough for Wikipedia or not. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 00:19, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Here is a CfD on women/female I just happened to bump into, it is one of many. And yes I believe the term would be offensive also for those without a Wikipedia entry. XOttawahitech (talk) 21:11, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

What would the altenative for "female" as an adjective be? I actually can't think of any off the top of my head. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:17, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

"Distaff", perhaps?—Kww(talk) 21:49, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

• So, Ottawa, let me get this straight: this is unrelated to it being a category of suicides? Drmies (talk) 22:05, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Horses, now? Ferchrissakes, I can't keep up with your edit notice images.

But I do have a serious request. Your German has got to be better than mine, but I just did a little original research (I'm bad, I know) and translated some at Aliceville, Alabama, it's in the quote box and in the name of the newspaper. Why am I putting German stuff into that article you ask? You'll see (or maybe you already know and I'm being presumptuous). If you could check my translation I would be eternally grateful. I briefly thought to ask if you'd drive 150 miles west and take some pictures of the place, but I thought better of it. Plus, from what I remember of Alabama, 150 miles west of Montgomery might as well be Mars, eh?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:21, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

• Ha, I think I know--POW camp, right? Drmies (talk) 01:16, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Should have known--Can't stump the good doctor. This is what got me interested in that... if you ever get the chance it's worth a read (and a see if you're lucky enough to be able to).— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 01:25, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Alf, I've been a bit busy elsewhere--sorry. I'll try to have a look later today. Do we need pictures? I could find out if anyone is ever headed in that direction. We did go to Mississippi this week, but not through Aliceville. I will keep it in mind, though. Danke, Drmies (talk) 14:53, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

No rush, we all have too much to do in this life... I scraped up an old LOC image of a house, but it's from 1937, so looks haunted and spanish-mossy, but maybe isn't the best representation of how things look now. If you ever have a chance it would be nice, but there's no big rush. I'm going to write a separate article on the POW camp quite soon (apropos of nothing at all).— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 14:57, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Hope you don't mind some tweaks; I don't know how much of the article is yours. I was thinking of enlarging the box a tiny little bit so "spendet" wouldn't be on a separate line but it's at 20%, so it's just my small (netbook) screen. You could consider doing the translation as prose, but that's up to you. If we had a real Alabama group I could put them on the case... Drmies (talk) 01:29, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Quick Question

Hey Drmies, which citation template do you think I should use for the first three items in "Box 1"? Talk page stalkers, feel free to jump in. Thanks...Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:55, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

• Not sure I understand, Homer. They're books, so if you cite from them you'd use the cite book template. But you don't have them, I'm sure, so what are you citing? Or, why not just put your text in the article and then let us see? Drmies (talk) 01:19, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
  • These are paper documents in a collection about the station, not in a book. They were written (actually typed on a typewriter by the looks of it) by someone. Acroterion and Wehwalt, who I also asked, so it would fall under {{cite book}}. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:08, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Well, what I'm saying is, if you don't really have them you can't cite them. If you can look at them, and they are indeed type-written, I'd use the book template, yes. Drmies (talk) 00:21, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
      • I do indeed have them, I went to the library and copied them. :) The online listing was the only thing I could show you of what I was talking about. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:57, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
        • Ah, well that clears it up then. Leave the "publisher" field entry; if you know a date, enter it, if not you can enter a question mark or put an approximate date in square brackets. You're a good man/woman/person, Homer: you went to the library. Drmies (talk) 01:02, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Notification of case being declined

The Arbitration Case Request titled Ihardlythinkso has been declined and closed. If you would like to read the arbitrators' comments you can do so here. For the Arbitration Committee, Rockfang (talk) 02:55, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

• Well, thanks. Funny--I see GorillaWarfare's name on that page. What is this world coming to, if primates get elected into office? Tsk tsk. Drmies (talk) 04:44, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Ook ook. GorillaWarfare (talk) 11:39, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
    • [27] NE Ent 12:26, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
      • I have to say, Ent, I've started to really like Dilbert in the last few years, so thanks. Gorilla, back to business, you. Have any opinion on IP bans? See ANI, "Continued harassment of a Wikipedia editor". Drmies (talk) 14:51, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Dispute resolution

There is a dispute-resolution case about your on the noticeboard — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.48.21 (talk) 04:23, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

• No, it's not about me. You should be blocked for crimes to the English language alone. Drmies (talk) 04:26, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
  • "crimes against" 74.192.84.101 (talk) 03:37, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

User:IPadPerson

Remember how you told IPadPerson and the IP used not to patronize others back on ANI? It turns out that warning didn't exactly resolve it. Here IPadPerson called another editor's addition "dumb and immature". Felt I should report this per the ANI discussion.

• Hmm. Well, I gotta say, it's not of the same magnitude as the ones reported earlier and I'm somewhat hesitant to block here. The content they removed, they removed rightly. Maybe Master of Puppets has an opinion? Drmies (talk) 04:41, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
  • The content IPadPerson alters isn't the issue- the concern is the use of edit summaries. Even if not all are personal attacks, this user has been repeatedly asked to change the way he/she uses edit summaries. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 04:53, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Yes, and I'm saying that this wasn't as bad as what they did before, and it's the only edit summary like it in their recent edits. That's my opinion: I won't block over this. Someone else might. Drmies (talk) 04:56, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
      • In that case, at least leave a message on IPadPerson's talk page yourself, as warnings from users such as myself and Gloss seem to be ignored. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 05:07, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, Drmies.

I agree with Drmies that there's no fault with IPadPerson's removal of that edit in itself, and that the editor has been on relatively good behaviour in the month since the February ANI thread mentioned above.

Unfortunately, good behaviour does not balance out incivility, especially after repeated warnings. It's not a question of whether or not IPadPerson has read the warnings (given this removal on their talk page, they seem to view the messages as an annoyance), but of whether or not the editor is simply ignoring them. As a result I've issued a 48-hour block.

Out of respect for Drmies and in recognition of IPadPerson's good edits I'm keeping the block short. And, though the user has not responded to any requests for discussion so far, I would consider an unblock request if the provided rationale is convincing. m.o.p 17:19, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

• So, Master of Puppets, indeed you had an opinion: excellent. Thanks for your explanation, I appreciate it. Also, XXSNUGGUMSXX, we have, in the past, blocked editors for being incommunicado--this just as an FYI. Drmies (talk) 22:09, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

• I'm sure you have, particularly for vandals. While IPadPerson is certainly no vandal, the fact that he/she essentially never responded to warnings given (only time being when dismissing them as "spam" and removing them from talk page) is rather concerning. The 48-hour-block seems reasonable, but I still plan to watch his/her edit summaries closely. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 22:16, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Per my discussion with the editor, I've unblocked them. As they've accepted responsibility and apologized, I see no reason to keep a block in place - I'm not a fan of punitive blocks. Drmies - hopefully this marks the end of this chapter. Thanks again for letting me know about it. m.o.p 15:48, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.

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Edits to Article: Mansoor Ijaz

Dear Drmies,

Is there room for discussion on the wholesale edits you and others have made to the article?

You made three contributions, each of which I would like to add thoughts on for your consideration and perhaps find a more reasonable solution than the ones you took on board.

1. COI TAG. on the flag, I take no issue with your removing it. I added it because I am a particularly patriotic American -- but does that seriously mean I have biased the article in such a way that you feel COI is necessary? I created my own USER ID in my name so there would be no ambiguity about my contributions to the page. I did so after receiving that advice from three different Wikipedia editors as a way to manage disruptive editing and vandalism of the article, which has been frequent and quite intense over the years -- you only need review the history to see this. That I added relevant biographical materials in the most neutral way possible, I do not see where I did anything wrong. I strongly object to any insinuation that I have somehow made the article less neutral. And I also object to the Red Pen or NeilN complaint that somehow the people of public note with whom I had material interactions throughout my life are now to be deleted wholesale because it embellishes my record. I did those things stated. And with the people involved, good bad or indifferent. What gives you or any editor at Wikipedia the right to take that away from me while leaving anyone to shout their slurs and insults at me on the page at will?

2. OVERLINKING. Your point is correct, but you should know that just as you complain about overlinking, other editors of the article complained and tagged the article as inadequately sourced. I spent two days going through the internet to find as many possible publicly available references to insure the article was well-sourced, and you in one chop of the axe simply negated the intent of that work. It's as if no one is ever happy.

3. SUDAN DOCUMENT. Why was this taken out? The purpose of including it was to demonstrate the precise language used by Sudan's dictator to make the offer to the United States -- an offer that I negotiated and hand-carried back to the Clinton White House. Why, when an image of a document that proves a part of the article's assertions, is it so wrong to include it? People often accuse me of misstating facts. I never do. But when the proof exists to make that point, why would you take that away from the article's level of accuracy?

4. FORMULA ONE SECTION. While you did not take that out, I want that point made to you as well as the others. The issue there is as follows -- I agree that it is a convoluted section describing a business transaction that has not yet concluded and is quite complex and drawn out. So it is fair game to be deleted wholesale. But it is a material matter in my biography, just as Memogate was, just as Sudan and Kashmir were. To remove it wholesale after having it be part of the article for nearly a year now makes it appear as if you have some knowledge that the F1 deal with Lotus does not exist anymore, and that is both factually false and currently and significantly misleading.

Is there no room for middle ground? Can I suggest a way to do that, or is that forbidden?

I think the changes made to the article in the last hours are unfair in the whole. I can be helpful as a resource to work with you to make a better version that incorporates and includes many of the changes suggested. But a simple hatchet job is not the right way to do it.

I ask that the COI tag be removed. I have done nothing to the article that adds personal bias, and I have only added information that improved the quality of the biographical sketch.

Sincerely, Mansoor Ijaz — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mansoor Ijaz (talk • contribs) 06:11, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

• Mansoor, thank you for your note, but all this is matter for the talk page. I'll say, quickly, that your patriotism is irrelevant: use of flags is covered by MOS:FLAG, and this one doesn't meet the mark. The tag, well, you are the subject, you are editing it extensively. That in itself is enough; it has nothing to do with the flag icon. But this is really a matter for the talk page, though I strongly disagree with your conclusion: the article is highly biased, most likely in violation of WP:BLP, and improperly sourced. And the precise language of the Sudan agreement cannot and should not be proven by a picture of a document; it runs counter to WP:SECONDARY, which is essential to the project--never mind that your involvement in any of it should be treated in agreement with what the sources say. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 14:36, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Anti Defamation

What do you think the Anti Defamation League would have to say about Wikipedia banning editors for calling the creator of an article on "Jews and Communism" an "anti-Semitic crank"? You think denouncing anti-Semitism is a ban-worthy offense?--Atlantictire (talk) 13:06, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

• I don't have a clue what they might think, or why I should care about what they think, but I'll play along: if they had read our policy on personal attacks, and if they were mature adults who try to handle disputes without resorting to insults, they'd probably think that I should get dessert tonight and you should be sent to bed without supper. And if you insult someone one more time like that I will block you (not "ban" you). Drmies (talk) 14:31, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Bracket problems

It's comforting to know that I'm not the only person who is apparently incapable of typing two square or two curly brackets in a row [28]! Acroterion (talk) 19:27, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

• I manage correctly more often than not, but man having BracketBot lambast me hurts my feelings. We are all fallen, Acroterion... Drmies (talk) 21:00, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Atlantictire

Is Atlantictire allowed to go on this harassing tirade because he blocked? [29][30] I would post this question in the appropriate ANI section, but Dennis Brown has closed the discussion so forgive me if this post is misdirected. --◅ PRODUCER (TALK) 12:46, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

• I wouldn't call it a tirade yet. Just ignore--or try to. We give editors leeway to vent on their talk page when they're blocked and that's what is still appropriate here, in my opinion. If they continue this after the block runs out outside of their own user talk space, or if it gets seriously worse, we can reconsider, perhaps with other admins weighing in (feel free to ask Dennis for advice--he's level-headed). And if they call you a bigot on their own talk page, well, just consider the source of the insult. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:06, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
  • I can ignore it. It's more of a matter of stopping it from encouraging others from going into pitchfork mode also. The IP (I'm assuming it's not Atlantictire) that tagged along is a perfect example of this. --◅ PRODUCER (TALK) 22:35, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
    • See, if bad behavior, so to speak, is an encouragement, then a block thereof should be a deterrent, no? Anyway, Atlantictire has dropped the personal stuff. Drmies (talk) 00:42, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Happy "Saint Patrick's Day"

The International Doctor Award

A very green, very happy, very funny....................................................................................................... ...day to you. A perfect day to listen to the ancient secret of the fox's wisdom, se our article, The Fox (What Does the Fox Say?) and a new version at The Tonight Show with Fallon in Fox clothes. !!!!..................and the imitators.. see, Rosie was right, it is a big time hitHafspajen (talk) 15:40, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

My "foxy" DYK was scheduled today, perhaps for a reason, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Something like this, just slightly bigger

Well done! Hafspajen (talk) 16:21, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

"The Fox" is a song and viral video by Norwegian variety show duo Ylvis. The video was posted on YouTube in September 2013. It features a man dancing in a fox costume singing lyrics that include sounds a fox might make, such as "gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!" and "fraka-kaka-kaka-kaka-kow!" Hafspajen (talk) 16:22, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

• Hmm, "a powerhouse of foxy ingenuity". Yes, that's pretty hot. I mean cool. Hafspajen, no St. Patrick's Day celebration here: we'll be lucky if we survive today, the Mrs. and me both. We had grading deadlines--well, I'm still not done... Drmies (talk) 16:32, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh, well - I am not going to disturb you. ^{the fox is green anyway} Hafspajen (talk) 16:58, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

• Weeel, sorry for bothering, but... do we need like ten diffent categories just for one picture ->

? and twenty categories for this little Municipality Mörbylånga? it is not New York, you know... https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=M%C3%B6rbyl%C3%A5ngas&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&uselang=svHafspajen (talk) 19:50, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

this is just a labyrint, and when passed like seven categories you go back to that old brigde again, by now I feel like kicking that bridge.

pier at Rosia Bay, Gibraltar

• If that's Mörbylånga on the coast, with a square harbour, it has a big big Red Cross charity shop (according to Street View). I expect it's full of vintage Ikea and Abba records. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 21:44, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

• Xanty, I am confused. Hafspajen (talk) 21:59, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, sorry Haffy- I viewed all those photos of fields, and the landscape with geese and wondered what the place looked like. So I copied the name into Google Maps, and it showed me this village on the coast, with painted houses and a shop full of what looked like second-hand stuff with a Red Cross on the shop sign. We have lots of these charity shops here in England. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 22:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

• That's it, Xanty. Hafspajen (talk) 00:17, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Something like this, just slightly smaller

• What street is it on? Esplanaden is a likely one, but I don't see anything looking like shops. I can't remember Mörbylånga very well; I probably took a left there to cross the Alvaret over to the other side. I think I managed to miss Eketorp altogether, inexplicably. BTW, the coverage of Oland on the Dutch wiki is remarkable (see nl:Lijst van plaatsen op Öland, for instance). Drmies (talk) 23:18, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

I used to bath from the Mörbylånga pier in the summertime. It is somewhere near that building pictured. here on 12th row something [31]_AUoAg&biw=1280&bih=795 Hafspajen (talk) 23:52, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

• You an old Oland-ganger too? Man we could put that island on the map. All I need is time, methamphetamine, and a Swedish library. Drmies (talk) 02:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Told you we have a stuga around there. 1 hour with car. Hafspajen (talk) 02:21, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, I remember now. But one hour from where? And is the key under the stone left of the door? Drmies (talk) 03:39, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

• Ok, one hour and 25 minutes. Can't tell you where the key is kept, considering that anybody can read this, but it might be somewhere around... who knows.... in a hollow tree? in the flowerpot? behind the third shed under the big log? Hafspajen (talk) 15:10, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Zimmerman is Back....again

He is now using account User:2601:a:3680:6:23ee:322d:ac56:a151. What tipped me off was his removal of all his posts (as HZ100) on the Talk:WICL page. He also made several edits in his typical style to the pages of WDHC and WCST (previous haunts of his) and the Template:Hagerstown-Chambersburg-Waynesboro Radio template.

The pages might need protection if the new account can't be blocked. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 20:54, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Sir. Since this is different style of an IP address, could this be one we could be a range block on and not have too much collateral damage? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:05, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Yet another sock: User:2601:A:3680:6:64FD:8EF:6C57:F75D. I am working on trying to get a rangeblock on these ranges. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:10, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

User:Elockid has hardblocked the /64 range on both IPs for six months, so hopefully Zimmerman won't be a bother until sometime in September. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:54, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

• Now Zimmerman is using User:76.100.25.215 for his continued vandalism of the WCST page. WCST is going to need semi-protection. Also, I believe a ban discussion is going to need to be started against Zimmerman. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:10, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Well, it's just the one edit. I mean, I don't mind, but so far it's not really necessary: remember, the default is to leave things unprotected as long as we can manage it through normal means (that is, through you, in these cases!). But if they do more, ping me again please. Thanks Homer, Drmies (talk) 03:42, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
    • This is true, but the IP tracer shows it is in the same area as previous Zimmerman IPs. That's what I pounced on this one immediately. Plus, it was the same edits made to the same page as the IPv6 IPs from earlier. Since it is clear that Zimmerman isn't going to stop and refuses to listen to reason, that's what I suggested a ban discussion. As for the protection, I can wait on that one, that's not a problem. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 07:47, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
      • Blind revert by Zimmerman. He also added this Facebook page (I guess as proof), but I don't buy it. It looks too cheaply thrown together. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:06, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
        • Thank you, Sir. I am wondering if I should begin a ban discussion or if that should be something you should do. Reason, no one is going to listen to me with a block log like mine (kind of a pot/kettle situation), but they will listen to you. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:06, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
          • Neutralhomer, there are no guarantees in life, but a ban discussion has so little to do with your block log that I wouldn't worry about it. Besides, it's not really my issue, and you are better equipped to explain it (succinctly). So go for it, if you like, and I prefer ban discussions to be on WP:AN--but it may well be that this is deemed to be a minor disruption, where the banhammer is deemed to be redundant. You'll find out. Good luck with it, Drmies (talk) 01:31, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Trollskogen/world database

World Database on Protected Areas – Trollskogen http://www.globalspecies.org/protectareas/index/_/page:73/sort:iucncat/direction:asc Hafspajen (talk) 22:17, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks, I added it. You know, it's surprising how little I can find in Google (regular and Books). Drmies (talk) 23:06, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

DrChrissy's IP Troll

Hi Drmies, when you get a chance could you block the IP hopper at 124.149.115.51? It just harassed her here. Cheers. --I am One of Many (talk) 23:38, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

• Already blocked by someone from my gang of sock puppets. THAT WAS A JOKE. OR WAS IT. JUST MY ALTER EGO SPEAKING. Maybe. Drmies (talk) 00:29, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
• Someone got them, didn't see who. I looked but the range is freaking huge. We can only do /16 range blocks and that is a /15 range (131k hosts). To get range blocks this large really needs a CU and is beyond my pay grade. Actually, getting a CU involved would really, really be a good idea. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 00:34, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Well, DB, you know how to clerk IRCs, or IRC clerks...so go for it! Thanks for jumping in. Drmies (talk) 02:17, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I retired from clerking, best to contact a CU directly. Most are friendly. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 14:12, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

If you break the IPs down a little they fall into /18 or /17 ranges, and they tend to stay assigned to those smaller ranges for a couple of days, so it's possible to rangeblock them and not take out most of New South Wales. I just set a /17 block. There are four discrete ranges they're using. I had a list somewhere that I'd compiled, and checking against the rangeblock helper, nearly all of the edits from those ranges were from the harasser. Speaking of alter egos, I've created Acrozilla, because everybody needs a 'zilla alternate account. Acroterion (talk) 02:24, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

• Acroterion, that sounds completely convincing. For all I know you just made all of it up--including that 'zilla stuff: I have no idea what you're talking about. (Also, thanks for your help.) Drmies (talk) 02:48, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
• So now I need to create Dennyzilla? I was thinking a CU because they have better tools to see which ranges are ok to go wide on and which need to be narrow. I don't mind doing /18 networks, but when it gets larger than that, I tend to ask someone who has more skills and tools than I do. Range blocks are like nuclear weapons: Use a weapon too large and you wipe out all the innocent villagers. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 17:32, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

US English help required

Can you or one of your stalkers who has familiarity with US spellings please have a run through Henry Scholberg? I've been working on it with Solomon7968 but I think that the spellings s/b US because the guy spent most of his time there. I've fixed some but people in the US spell so many words incorrectly (ahem!) that I will have missed a lot. Do you spell "comprised" as "comprized", for example? I've never noticed that particular one with "z" but the general rule seems to be "-zed" and "-zing" rather than "-sed" and "-sing".

We've got more development to do on the article but I think there is enough in it now to warrant a copyedit for the basics. Solomon has nominated it for DYK, so I'd like something that is at least presentable on the MOS front.

Oh, and you'll hopefully be pleased to know that I've tidied up the William Beach Thomas thing, making use of that interlibrary source. It's at GAN now, although I was half-tempted to just whack it into FA. - Sitush (talk) 00:49, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) We don't spell comprise(d) or compromise(d) with a "z", but usually change it in similar cases. Doc talk 01:45, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that, Mies-y. You're wasted at that university, y'know. The Grauniad is crying out for decent subeditors.

Doc, I don't understand "but usually change it in similar cases". Do you mean that this one is an exception to the rule? - Sitush (talk) 02:28, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it's a rule, per se, but a general observation. This link[32] is in error when it states that "Verbs in British English that can be spelled with either -ize or -ise at the end are always spelled with -ize at the end in American English", as the above two examples demonstrate. That is assuming that those terms could be interchangeably spelled with a z in BritEng. In general, we usually "z" it, but not in every single case. It's complicated: but what isn't? Doc talk 02:37, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, That's sort of what I thought but I've picked it up through an osmotic process, It's always easier for me to leave such niceties to my serfs ;) - Sitush (talk) 02:44, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I looked it over, Sitush, and didn't notice any Amerispelling errors. I did some minor copy editing reflecting American usage. Well done. Happy to serve as your serf. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Cullen. Are we sure about the decapitalizing (hehe) here? The Experiment does seem usually to be capitalized, being a part of the project name. I'm being picky, I know! - Sitush (talk) 03:03, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Here's my American interpretation, Sitush, but if Drmies disagrees with me, then he is right even though he is from Holland and I am from Detroit. He's just consistently right. OK, "Minnestota Starvation Experiment" is the proper name and should be capitalized. When we refer to it in shorthand as the "experiment" (or as the "study"), neither of those is a proper name; they are instead ordinary nouns substituting for the proper noun. Accordingly, "experiment" by itself should not be capitalized. But I promise not to edit war about it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:50, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I also think lower case is appropriate. Drmies (talk) 00:16, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant to reply to this much earlier but got involved in yet more drama. I'm happy to defer to my elders and betters on the matter. Well, betters at any rate. - Sitush (talk) 00:23, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Blame it all on Noah Webster, 1828. See also American_and_British_English_spelling_differences#Greek-derived spellings. Drmies (talk) 02:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah. Basically if it can be spelled interchangeably with "s" or "z", we Yanks will use the "z". If it can't be spelled correctly in BritEng (i.e. comprize), we defer to the creators of the language. Doc talk 02:49, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Remember that this talk page's physical location is below the Mason–Dixon line. No Yankee crap here, please. Drmies (talk) 02:54, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Duly noted ;) Doc talk 02:56, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Looking for advice!

Hey Drmies, I've run across your name while editing/browsing Wikipedia in the past, and wanted to get somebody's opinion (I find approaching an experienced editor is more effective than posted to a talk page). The short version goes: I've created a History of Georgia Regents University page, and the appropriate sections on the Georgia Regents University page designate this page as the main article. As this exists, is it okay to change the current Augusta State University page (which is one of two universities that consolidated in 2013 to form GRU) to a simple redirect? As I state on my user page, I operate from a WP:COI even though I do my best to be WP:NPOV so I prefer running things by people before making potentially drastic changes such as this. Thanks for your time and advice! GRUcrule (talk) 13:45, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

• Well. In a nutshell, I think a separate "history of" article is fine, but I don't think that it necessarily the best thing to make the previous two articles nothing but redirects. If there is enough material, you could have four articles, and I wouldn't have a problem with it: easy to read, easy to click around, quick to load. I do think it makes sense to keep individual articles for the "older" universities. Does that answer your question? Mind you, you'd get different opinions from other editors, no doubt--perhaps some of them can weigh in here as well?

  As for the COI, I'm not so concerned about it (also since you announced it), but I have yet to read that notice that sometimes shows up on Wikipedia pages, about the "new" COI policy. I encourage you to drop a line on the talk page of CorporateM, who is the MacDaddy of COI editing. Drmies (talk) 22:49, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for responding! I created the "history of" article only when supported on the Talk:Georgia Regents University page, so that wasn't done alone. I've actually done my best to make the "history of" page include most of what was on the Augusta State University page - the other university, I'm afraid, I goofed because I simply changed that page to what is now the Georgia Regents University page, but I've got enough that's well-cited from news sources to cover the big stuff (IMO). I think that's why I tend to think the ASU page could simply redirect...especially because as I look at it now, it wasn't created with a good amount of citations from credible sources. I do appreciate anyone's feedback on this issue....and thanks for the time! GRUcrule (talk) 15:25, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

A few notes

• Your username appears to be named after an organization and suggests that the account may in the future be passed down to other employees. This is not currently allowed in the English Wikipedia.
• Wikipedia is not a directory. Long lists of degrees-offered, departments, etc. is appropriate information for the university website for prospective students, but it is not of historical note - it does not belong in an encyclopedia
• I have not reviewed all of them, but at least some, perhaps most, of the articles on your user page look to me like they should not exist. We just need one article on the entire university, not separate ones on individual departments ("colleges"). The one I looked at also relied almost entirely on primary sources from the university website and basically acted as a mirror of it.

As for the subject at-hand, separate articles should be made for the predecessor organizations if combining them would surpass WP:LENGTH or if a complete history of one predecessor would overwhelm too much of the article. Another format is to create a sub-section for the predecessor organization's history, or to merely devote a few sentences to it, depending on how much content there is to add about it. CorporateM (Talk) 19:36, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Responding on your talk page, CorporateM, thanks! GRUcrule (talk) 19:43, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

I can only guess what "crule" stands for, but unless it's the name of some element of the organization the username should not be a problem: "JohnfromSKF" is allowed, and I assume "crule" is something individual to the person. Drmies (talk) 20:07, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps changing my first inital, last name designation in my name to just my first or last name would make it easier... GRUcrule (talk) 13:18, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

GRUcrule my advice would be not to include personally identifiable information in your username. As a COI contributor, you are even more likely to attract off-wiki harassment and stalking than volunteers and even as a volunteer I would prefer being anonymous. However, it is a personal choice. Anyways, Drmies does have it right I believe, that a company name mixed in with something more personal is considered Kosher. CorporateM (Talk) 17:05, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

The first super hero Olga Mesmer is being contested for significance

I know comic books aren't that important in the grand scheme of things, but noting that the first super hero is female is historically significant and sheds new light on the medium; it is worth giving her a page for. Olga Mesmer, the Girl with the X-Ray Eyes is being speedily deleted when it the page is clearly significant. CensoredScribe (talk) 16:06, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Don't know who was contesting it for deletion; wasn't me. In fact, I just came by to give kudos for your research work — we were adding virtually the same material from the same sources simultaneously! That's pretty amazing and pretty heartening. I'm sure there are tweaks we can make, but I wanted to compliment you on your work. I'm only sorry we were both on it at the same time and some stuff got lost in the e/c, but we can fix that. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:12, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Jonas Jonsson (19th-century builder)

Little article in honour of Långe Erik. Darn it, though. I thought I posted the link here yesterday, with a lot of brilliant commentary and queries, but it looks like I forgot to save. :-( So today you only get the bare link, with a humble request for copy-edit if time and inclination allows. (Ugly fellow, isn't he, though? I envy the beautiful landscapes at your Öland articles.) Bishonen | talk 16:38, 18 March 2014 (UTC).

• We'll all meet up there--let's ask Hafspajen when his family's stuga is available. You know, I once swam in the buff in three different bodies of water in one day: the Kalmar Sund, some lake along the way west, and the Øresund? Drmies (talk) 16:44, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

• make sure the brothers are not there. Hafspajen (talk) 17:06, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, I'm not cooking for them and their families.

Ah, that would be surely a bit of a job. They love kids, and just keep going, being quite greedy . By the way, have you noticed a new trend, not all stuff is saved that one saves, - well you klick on the button and - nothing happens for a while - and leaving the page, when returned the stuff is gone, not saved. Hafspajen (talk) 17:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

• Bishonen, that is a nice piece of work. Thank you. And in return, also for all the Icelanders, I wrote up Jónas Jónsson, woefully inadequately. Drmies (talk) 17:52, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Wery good, Mies! Excellent job. Hey after all this, leaving the Swedish Wiki, I might go ahead and change back my name. Or take a new, Afterglow Maverick Sabre, how about that? Hafspajen (talk) 18:26, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

That's a lot of nouns, Warrington/Hafspajen. What will your brothers say? Drmies (talk) 18:41, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Don't care. Why is this coming up when I was checking the Afterglow Maverick Sabrea DYK? [33], . - [34]Hafspajen (talk) 18:45, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Man. Dogs have websites and pedigrees? Don't tell Sadie--she'd be sad and jealous. And when are you writing up an article for Afra? Drmies (talk) 20:34, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

'Byxelkrok for you. Hafspajen (talk) 20:24, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Lovely! But I don't think that's what I heard so many years ago--it had "we're sailing to Byxelkrok, to Byxelkrok" as a refrain. Unless my memory is really faulty... Drmies (talk) 20:30, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Is the nightingale in the forests? --O yes, patron, the spring is here in Öland.

Welcome back from the Kalmar Strait, where the dangerous South wind blows. --O yes, en route to Borgholm the storm puffed me in this quiet port. And I myself am a Tundra rose,(alt Crazy about Öland) and Nyter is my name. Go out and stick a wild boar

and give me some palt, and chuck me the pitcher, mom! For many years I gobbled salt, gives me a huge thirst.

Dad’s farm stands empty and gray with lichens on the bitter apple trees, and slowly creeping sedge and grass in between the crops.

Farewell, you wild road I rode on sunny moorland! I have another horse now. I follow the seafarers ' way and landing merely as a guest.

In Arontorp a rose blossoms. I am leaving and leaving behind those roses on the beach. I am one of those Öland cool seamen and the sea is my land

Hafspajen (talk) 20:32, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Some nice stuff I have stolen. Weren't you interested in hippies [35]Hafspajen (talk) 22:13, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Hmm. Those are, in hindsight, some seriously trouble lyrics, and some lines echo Chaucer ("Miller's Tale" 160-61). Didn't know they made music videos--is it really original? I do remember when men looked like that, all covered in hair. Drmies (talk) 21:45, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

The ape in the net, a là The Planet of Apes style. Hafspajen (talk) 00:57, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Ambiguous flag icons

Hi there. I notice you commented on the talk page of a flag template, where there's currently a discussion about several features. I wonder whether you could take a look at the article section I link to (the word "here"), and tell me whether I'm not understanding something. I'm unsure how this everyone-knows-all-the-flags assumption arose. Tony (talk) 05:36, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

User:Librefgirl

Hi, since you had the good luck of welcoming this editor I wanted to give a heads up about a potential COI problem. This person works for ALA which runs the Andrew Carnegie Medals for Excellence in Fiction and Nonfiction. They tried to delete the list of winners - and all secondary sources - and left a short note to visit the ALA website instead.[36] This is evidently an attempt to drive traffic to the ALA website and deny Wikipedia the list winners. I left a note on the user's page and hope there is not a revert. Also, File:Logo of The Andrew Carnegie Medals for Excellence in Fiction & Nonfiction.png is now a source of contention, they keep trying to add Copyright watermarks to a Fair Use image. Fair Use is exactly that, we don't need copyright watermarks - they can contest Fair Use in the appropriate forum. Or upload to Commons under some other license if they can prove ownership. -- GreenC 06:48, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

• Hey, thanks--yes, I figured there could have been an issue like that. If the awards were all verified with external sources we'd have a no-brainer case: "don't remove reliably verified information". We still have that case, though someone might say "it's easier to click the link". I'm glad you're onto the image thing, but there also I'll keep an eye out. Drmies (talk) 15:44, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
• I didn't realize that you said "delete the list of winners"--the entire list. Or maybe I thought it was so ridiculous that it couldn't register. Yes, there is no excuse for that since wikilinking is one of the strengths of the project. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:05, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Wonder Woman is a super soldier

Thank you and everyone else for all your work on Olga Mesmer. This is the last time I will bother you with super hero's; I have decent references for my future additions. However the addition of Wonder Woman to the category fictional Super Soldiers was contested. She fought more battles in WWII than any other super hero in DC; Superman was rejected for being 4-F, having accidentally read the eye chart in another room during his eye exam. I don't think those exact words would be used to describe her at the time, but if Jedi count than Wonder Woman should as well; her adventures were read by far more members of the military; women, men and children. I think she is the first female super soldier; only one year younger than captain America; perhaps also worth mentioning for women's history month. CensoredScribe (talk) 19:20, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, Olga turned out to be quite a woman--thanks for bringing her to my attention, and please don't be shy in mentioning such topics or issues here: there's usually a talk page stalker who can help if I can't. As far as this matter goes, I can't be of much help; I suppose, from how you present it, that the argument rests on what "super soldier" means, and I have nothing to say on that topic. Sorry. But Tenebrae seems to know what's going on in the world of comics... Drmies (talk) 21:40, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Well, I can tell you that the age being mentioned above is strictly real world dating of the comics so if this is a matter of dating the issues and when they came out, fine, but Wonder Woman is an immortal who only ages when she is not on Paradise Island. Plot wise, Princess Diana was actually trained in the art of war, given a uniform (somewhat resembling ancient Greek amour) and tested for battle. I would say there are probably RS that can confirm her as a super soldier in some form.--Mark Miller (talk) 21:48, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Mark, you know so much about this topic! And I used to think so highly of you... Drmies (talk) 21:55, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

• (Hangs head low) I was a huge Wonder Woman fan as a kid. I still have the article on my watch list since I discovered a sock puppet there that I didn't want to discourage from future editing....but they were so young they actually forgot which account they were posting on , on my talk page. But...yeah....I am truly a Wonder Woman geek. Even had a highschool newspaper article written about me and my friends who were overheard in the school library discussing what would happen if Wonder Woman had sex with Superman.....is that TMI? ;-)--Mark Miller (talk) 01:58, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Part of this has its roots in a debate on whether there is justification to have a category marked for "Super Soldiers" which, when it existed, had little objective defining criteria of what to include. Let's say the boundaries of "What is super?" and "Who is a soldier?" were stretched quite a bit. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:02, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Closing

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No Wonder women, but

Could you please close the discussion on Shiba inu talk page about trivia? Nothing happened since then, quite a while. Hafspajen (talk) 00:54, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

• It's uncontroversial, but my no is emphatic enough for it to be unseemly for me to close it. Any admins around? SpacemanSpiff? Crisco 1492? Beeblebrox? Bbb23? HJ Mitchell? Dennis Brown? Coffee? Drmies (talk) 00:59, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

  Done. I like to snag the easy ones to make it look like I'm doing something useful. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 01:05, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Dennis. Hafspajen (talk) 01:07, 21 March 2014 (UTC)^{Would like to see your portrait on your page again...}

Wow, six minutes! Way to make me look slack! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:08, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Dennis Brown has a very strange day job, HJ. Maybe you're slacking because of too many pints? Still, thanks for coming by. Next time bring your swimmies and don't worry about shrinkage (see below). Drmies (talk) 15:19, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Well I was wearing shorts the other day, and it can't have been much warmer than 60 (which Google tells me is about 15.5 in real money), but we Brits have to make the most of the weather—we have to cover up for the other 360 days of the year! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:38, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm telling you, I'm getting less Dutch by the year: I haven't been in since New Year's, and that was with artificial heating. (Bourbon.) Drmies (talk) 15:42, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Nick Stone (author) - any takers?

This dog is ethnically Polish, but the cat is British

Anyone here fancy commenting in the current (only) discussion at Talk:Nick Stone (author)? - Sitush (talk) 03:43, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

• I looked at it (late) last night, but that's too complicated for me, Sitush. Drmies (talk) 14:05, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

• No worries, Someone will get to it eventually. It'd be easier if the community just agreed with the consensus that emerges from occasional discussions, ie: that the categories for People of X of Y descent really do not work. - Sitush (talk) 17:45, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Unblock request

What are you looking at?

Hey, Drmies, CensoredScribe said to ask you about his unblock request (perhaps rhetorically, but still). Can you take a look and answer the request, if you're so inclined? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:46, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, he's blocked? That's unfortunate. I'll have a look--thanks WK. Do you know our pool is almost at temperature? It's almost 60! Drmies (talk) 14:49, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
  • It is unfortunate, but I don't really see any other way. Pools? Don't talk about pools! You kiddin' me? Pools? We're still getting snow up here; my latest flight was canceled for snow. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:56, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
  • 60 degrees is NOT almost at usable temperature, unless you are a polar bear or a penguin. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 14:58, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Unfortunate for him, I meant. I did read the user page but can't parse it. Dennis, don't be such a pussy. Are you calling my girls polar penguins? Them's fighting words. I'm outside, where it's a bit nippy, but Sadie is lying in the sun and her lovely brown fur is all toasty. Oh, now I got dog hair on my keyboard... Drmies (talk) 15:06, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

• Bravo, Dennis Brown!! Nice too see someone who expresses himself artistically, using his aesthetic faculties!! Hafspajen (talk) 17:29, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Request to bring back the channel listing articles

What's up, doc? I'd like to request the following articles that were deleted on October 18, 2012 to be restored, please.

1. List of DirecTV channels
2. List of DirecTV channels (United States
3. List of DirecTV channels (Latin America
4. List of DirecTV local channels with HD
5. List of Dish Network business and weather channels
6. List of Dish Network channels (United States)
7. List of Dish Network PPV channels
8. List of Dish Network Sport channels
9. Local channel availability on Dish Network and DirecTV
10. List of Verizon FiOS channels

The reason for the request is because the Wiki I started, the Channel Listings Wiki, automatically got deleted due to lack of attention. Thank you ~~LDEJRuff~~ 14:56 21 March, 2014 (UTC)

• Well, no--since Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of DirecTV channels (2nd nomination) was quite clear (with most of the keeps falling in the "it's useful" category) was quite clear. Besides, you want me to restore content because your wikia article was deleted? That is not a valid reason, to put it mildly. Sorry, but I can't do that, even if I could. Which I can't. Drmies (talk) 19:13, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Question ref User:Martinvl

[37] Back in October you indefinitely blocked Martin for disruptive editing. It appears that he and his nemesis User:DeFacto have decided to decamp to simple wikipedia, where both have again been blocked [38]. Rather tiresomely it appears that DeFacto has a new sock puppet [39] trying to drag me into it. Frankly I am really tired of being dragged into such petty backbiting and have been enjoying writing articles again. The duck is strong here, what would you suggest? I will also be posting at User:EatsShootsAndLeaves FYI. Wee Curry Monster talk 20:20, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

• Bleeeeeeeeh. What else can I say? The "amongst" is kind of a giveaway, haha. OK, feel free to add them to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/DeFacto/Archive and/or tag their user page. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:28, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks, I wish both would leave me in peace, I appreciate the rapid response. Wee Curry Monster talk 21:04, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

• I'm pretty sure lots of people feel that way, WCM. Such sadness: all this potential to help, all this brain power and knowledge, and it ends up as low-level trolling. Drmies (talk) 00:26, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

BPac360

Looks like this user is already blocked under a previous account: Versability (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). It's likely there have been others. He seems to have a bit of an issue with anybody resisting his self-promotion and I don't think there's much chance of him accepting that anybody other than he is right in any dispute (Ticket:2014032110009296 if you have access). Guy (Help!) 21:10, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks. There's more to it and the legal team at the WMF is aware of it, though there is not (yet) anything they can do. I appreciate the heads-up. Drmies (talk) 23:34, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Luke 'Ming' Flanagan

Dr, could you (or informed talk page stalkers) have a look at this biography before I reflexively revert the COI account's edits again? I'd gone to the COI noticeboard about this a few weeks ago, and the issue persists. Thanks and cheers, JNW (talk) 22:34, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

• Pity the IP came in between. Wonder if that's the same who left your COI editor a message. Drmies (talk) 01:29, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
  • We are not dealing with the world's smartest pothead here, are we? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:24, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
    • You know what, Chillum could have talked some sense in him, maybe. Ah, the good old days. At least Bongwarrior is still with us. Drmies (talk) 04:27, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
      • Thank you, Dr. I'm feeling burnt out, though not from grass. Though that wouldn't be a bad idea. We're talking about a trip to Amsterdam, which seems appropriate. JNW (talk) 11:10, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
        • Go! I have a friend or two still left there, one of whom perfectly capable of wielding a paint brush. Take care of yourself. Drmies (talk) 16:06, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

ANI

okay Doc... i will behave. sry bout that, sometimes i am overtaken with the overwhelming desire to replace ANI with an ASCII representation of a penis. it lightens my mood. :P 2001:4C28:194:520:5E26:AFF:FEFE:8624 (talk) 04:54, 22 March 2014 (UTC) (in this case, i ran the text of ani through a ROT13 converter.) ;D 2001:4C28:194:520:5E26:AFF:FEFE:8624 (talk) 04:55, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

• How ironic that I would be the one reverting. Hey, please don't do that man. Come on. There are better things to do with penises, like dangling them in the wind, Walt Whitman style. Maybe this is a good occasion to hack into Amazon and have them send you a copy of the Calamus poems. Drmies (talk) 16:02, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
• I would also note that if you are using ROT13, you should run in through twice, just to be safe. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 16:14, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

i promise to stop replacing ANI with penises and running ANI through a ROT13 converter. i have taken to leaving messages in my user agent for the checkusers, but nothing nasty, cuz i don;'t roll like that. if you're ever out this way, stop by and we could have a cup of coffee. :3 173.87.171.188 (talk) 18:22, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, but it's a long ways away. We might be heading out west this summer, but it'll be for a quick little jaunt maybe to Denver. Take care of yourself. Drmies (talk) 00:24, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

omg that's only sixteen hours away. ;) maybe next year.. take care Doc. :) 173.87.171.188 (talk) 17:22, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Roses

I dedicate one article to you, expanded from a stub. It was you rose - article that got me started. The Garden of Ninfa, famous for its roses, even if there are no good pictures on roses in the article, right now. (might need some copy edit, and a tagg somwhere, stuff translated from Italian Wiki). Hafspajen (talk) 13:28, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

• Wow, that's amazing. Great work. I hope to see it on the front page soon. Those ruins look amazing too. (I'm removing the gallery below: it's pretty but it takes forever to load.) Drmies (talk) 00:23, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

^{A hacker is someone who loves to program or who enjoys playful cleverness, or a combination of the two.[3] The act of engaging in activities (such as programming or other media[4]) in a spirit of playfulness and exploration is termed hacking. However the defining characteristic of a hacker is not the activities performed themselves (e.g. programming), but the manner in which it is done: Hacking entails some form of excellence, for example exploring the limits of what is possible,[5] thereby doing something exciting and meaningful.[4] Activities of playful cleverness can be said to have "hack value" and are termed hacks[5] (examples include pranks at MIT intended to demonstrate technical aptitude and cleverness).So says Hacker (programmer subculture) Really? Since when is the hacker someone who became a romantic hero? And this has nothing to do with those guysHacker (computer security)?}

Are You Experienced

Hi. As you have edited the article, would you care to weigh in on this discussion? It concerns whether a particular review quote should be removed from an article. --John (talk) 00:44, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

As long as you're at it, can you take care of this, too? An ongoing battle that keeps spilling over onto my talk page, all because I blocked one of the editors. (Your edit notice is great.)--Bbb23 (talk) 01:02, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• John, we really need to stop meeting like this. Bbb, dinner is over and I may have a few minutes before God knows what, all hell breaks loose again. Interesting spelling of Meatpuppett--more official, upper-class, I like it. Drmies (talk) 01:13, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• Just so you're aware, Drmies, there's a much longer discussion on John's talk page. I've told all of them to go there. I wouldn't want to deprive John of all the fun. We're going to eat dinner soon.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:20, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks a bunch guys. I spent most of this evening trying to keep the peace. Between this fight over adding a source to a Jimi Hendrix album and the name of Australia's third-biggest sport, I haven't managed to do as much fun editing as I would have liked tonight. Never mind. Drmies, I don't think your edits to the article would prevent you from weighing in as a big scary admin like I am doing, if you wanted to. Enjoy your dinners anyway; I am off to bed in a minute or two. --John (talk) 01:31, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• Hehe, sorry, John. He's probably right, Drmies. It's your choice but you'd probably do more good working on the content issues rather than the conduct ones. Of course, you don't have to do anything if you don't feel like it. But then you won't make as much money as last month.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• I appreciate your contribution there, thank you. And thanks for the coffee as well; I suspect I will need it. Bbb23, you aren't interested in Australian sport naming conventions by any chance, are you? --John (talk) 01:42, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• I don't know anything about sports generally, let alone Australian sports. I also don't know anything about popular music. I leave all that for Drmies because he knows a lot about everything.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:50, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• Left that before I knew you were going to bed. Drmies (talk) 01:44, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• Well, with the article protected there's little admin intervention called for. They're sticking to protocol on the talk page, more or less, so I don't see the need for big, scary admin thingies just yet. Gabe is a bit of a hothead but not really a troublemaker. Static has been around here since long enough and I've no bad experiences with them (John, that BE verbiage is for you). I see that you blocked both of them, Bbb, at some point or another. I can't be arsed (also for you, John) to figure out who left whom a note at which project when before some editor or other weighed in even though they are rumored to not know shit about prog rock or metal fusion or whatever.

  Oh, wait, you do want me to look into shit and start throwing blocks around. Tonight we're supposed to watch a movie. Drmies (talk) 01:44, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• No, it's fine. Enjoy your movie and I really will get off to bed now. Thanks again for giving your opinion there. --John (talk) 01:54, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

RfC/U for Dan56

If I write it up, will you certify it? GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 17:20, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• Ask Laser brain, via email maybe. You have to realize I don't know this editor at all. I may have interacted with them, for all I know, but the list of people I've interacted with is quite long. But, worse, I cannot say that I have "had" this dispute with them, or that I have tried to resolve it. So, unless you can find someone else, maybe some dissenter from that Album discussion (which I haven't looked at), Laser brain is your best bet. Tell you what, I'll ping them: Laser brain, how are you doing? Sorry, Gabe, but "certification" requires, basically, "having been involved in the dispute", and that's not me. Drmies (talk) 22:11, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Laser brain stopped editing a month ago after falling ill. So, RfC/U is the best way if you can jump through the right hoops. Nobody wants to tangle with Dan; they usually give-up and walk away. GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:15, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

This isn't about hoops. The idea is that there must be more than one editor who has a problem with another. If, with the unfortunate absence of one editor, you are the only one who has a problem, then it is entirely possible that you are that problem. Or you just need to look harder, and maybe edit and comment in a way to forge relationships so that when the time comes you are not all alone. In a collaborative environment that's a highly marketable skill.

You show me a diff of someone who has a problem with that editor, well documented and all, and you're here complaining to me about the process rather than writing up an opening statement for an RfC/U, asking the input and support from JG66? That sounds rather strange to me. Drmies (talk) 22:55, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

That's my point; they do not want to get that involved and neither does anyone else. Did you see my list of his 14 content disputes from this year alone? Do you have an alternate theory as to why he causes so much disruption only at articles about albums from genres that he does not himself spend any time improving? He has like 50 GAs, but only one is rock. Don't you find that at all suspicious? Shouldn't some of these dispute be at R&B and jazz articles? GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 23:02, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

I doubt that I made your point for you. My point is that you're wasting your time complaining. My other point is that if you can't find a single other editor to certify that RfC/U, then maybe the problem is you.

You got a sandbox full of someone else's content disputes? That's odd, unless you're planning to do something with it. Which you're not--or you would have done so. You're just asking me to investigate someone on the basis of what they write about and then agree with your complaint. Tell you what, he's got 50 GAs? I'd give him a barnstar for that. I got maybe five or so, that's all. Drmies (talk) 00:20, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I can give you a sandbox full of content disputes, if you want... Rschen7754 00:33, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I'll bet I havn't been in 14 protracted content disputes in the last 4 1/2 years, let alone three months. GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 00:45, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Rschen, other editors' content disputes? Gabe, I'm no longer interested in this conversation. I don't care how many content disputes you have had, or how many content disputes you have recorded that someone else has had. (I assume you are the one designating his interactions as content disputes?) If you got something urgent, bring to ANI. Or start an RfC/U. Stop admin shopping: this one is not buying, and I don't think Bbb or John are buying it either. I have no reason to be on anyone's side here, and I probably agree that there might some Christgau pushing going on, but the way you go about this is just irritating beyond belief, as evidenced in your latest "How funny" comment. So find another forum, please. Drmies (talk) 01:41, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Almost every comment I've ever seen you make has an element of condescending sarcasm, but I can't laugh at Christgau's inability to fact check basic information without you losing your patience? He's not a Hendrix expert, that's all I meant by "too funny". I wasn't snickering at you; I was snickering at Bob; he makes so many basic mistakes that his work is hard for me to take seriously. Take that with the way that he writes: "yeah dude, I was buzzing big time and it blew my mind man hard-core" and he is a great source like Walmart is a great store. Anyway, I hear you and I'll not bother you again. I'm disappointed but not at all surprised that you think that there might be POV pushing but since you don't like "the way I approach frustration" you'll look the other way. Nice ethics, dude! GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 17:48, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Nah, just ones that I've been involved in, of course. The typical road-related stuff. --Rschen7754 04:12, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I still can't believe someone actually cares for roads. :) What are you, a William Least Heat Moon fan? Drmies (talk) 04:33, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, well, well...

	Het moet een spreker zijn, die de zwijger overtreft.
	..................................................................................................................! Hafspajen (talk) 19:05, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• ..........!! Drmies (talk) 22:14, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• Eh, speechless. Hafspajen (talk) 23:21, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• But...but... Drmies (talk) 00:23, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• Ha. Mies you are a pottenkijker. Hafspajen (talk) 01:16, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Normal service resumes in Manchester

Assuming my leg can survive the journeys to and from the place, a decent library has at last reopened in Manchester. Still no "India Room" but I notice that the publicly accessible space has grown from 30 per cent to 70; that must be to cater for all the new Wikipedians that Eric's efforts have attracted ;) None of this will stop me from tapping you for the occasional source, of course - you're cheaper. - Sitush (talk) 21:34, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, I'm totally cheap, Sitush--and you had me at "my". Drmies (talk) 22:13, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
• You have no idea how good you have it. This is my local library. Nice, dedicated folks, grant you, but it is smaller than the average book store. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 22:20, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
• Wow. That's a great shot of that central room. Drmies (talk) 22:48, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• Better pics here, especially of the Shakespeare Room. I'm a demanding sort of chap, having had the prolonged experience of a copyright library at Cambridge, but one thing that strikes me from the pics is the, erm, distinct lack of books!

My dad went to Central Library the day after it opened in 1934, got his tickets and for the next 28 years he went weekly, borrowing one fiction and two non-fiction each time. I've no idea if he read the things, though! As for the one at Cambridge, that was opened by Queen Mary and the apocryphal story is that her words tickled the student population: "I am pleased to see the greatest erection in Cambridge". That follows from the oddity that it is Oxford that is referred to as the "city of dreaming spires"; Cambridge is, according to the sort-of Spoonerism, the "city of perspiring dreams". - Sitush (talk) 00:54, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• Actually, thinking about it, perhaps the extra 40% of accessible space has been gained by binning the darn books ... - Sitush (talk) 00:57, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• Don't get me started. Apparently our "library of future" isn't happening--even though they economized on the article and on books. I think this is the building whose foundation is so weak that it couldn't support a library's worth of books anyway. Our campus library has started moving books to storage off-campus. Look, I was trying to be nice, complimenting you on the nice central room--when the next pictures show a row of Star Trek-like displays that do not look like you could put a book on top of it. Drmies (talk) 01:10, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• I thought those hi-tech things were the modern version of the lecterns used in Dickensian counting-houses. They'd be one reason why my leg wouldn't survive the journey. You've got a library whose foundation can't support the books, my faculty library was this architectural and organisational disaster. I have absolutely no idea why our article about it lacks all the criticism that it has received: if I didn't have a COI, I'd be running rampant in my expansion of the thing. Leaks, cold/hot greenhouse effects, atmosphere damaging books, tiles falling off, problems trying to clean all that glass, mould (mold) ... and on its goes, all documented. - Sitush (talk) 01:20, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Very impressive, Sitush. I'm going to Manchester in a couple of weeks but sadly will have no time to visit it - but my purpose is perhaps the only thing more important - it's for food, the Cake and Bake Show.[40] Dougweller (talk) 06:09, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• Dougweller, that is incredibly cool. I do think you and Sitush should meet, though, for coffee and cakes. And maybe ask HJ Mitchell over for a beer. Sorry, pint. Drmies (talk) 15:51, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

User:Dennis Brown My local library is even smaller. It's in a strip-mall, but I basically just use it for inter-library loans to get articles from all over the country. OTOH, I pay an annual fee for access to the local university library, which is much better, even though they have a lot of limitations because I am not a student, and most of the time the stuff I need can be accessed digitally or - if not - I can pay another fee for them to scan a copy of the book/article and email it to me. You may want to consider joining a library that is not local in order to access their resources remotely. CorporateM (Talk) 14:46, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

"... in a strip-mall"?! Are frequenters of red-light districts known for their bibliophilia? - Sitush (talk) 15:57, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Bacon cake

Start throwing cakes, people

OK y'all, please help me expand Bacon cake. We should get this on the front page. Estonian help is especially appreciated, even if it concludes that pekikook is nothing but a quiche. Drmies (talk) 16:22, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• Sitush, Dougweller, HJ Mitchell, Eric Corbett, Parrot of Doom, can you please help out? Apparently your weird cuisine does have something called Bacon cake, and it's had it for a while, given this 1919 Blackwood mention and a less notable mention here. Please help me fit that into the article, with the proper cultural context and all that. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:31, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Those are British sources, I don't know anything about anything like that in the UK. But when I was on the West Coast last year and in Manhattan you'd be hard pushed to find a doughnut place not selling bacon doughnuts, it's become an in-flavor for things such as Maple bacon donuts. Hm, just found Luther Burger although I've never heard that name before. Had one from a street food vendor in Birmingham (UK) last year - actually surprisingly good. I made them at home also. I've got a magazine somewhere, probably on my Kindle, about bacon stuff, maybe it will help. How about chocolate bacon cake?[41]Dougweller (talk) 16:52, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Found it on my Kindle and then on the web:[42] and [43]. Dougweller (talk) 17:04, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Not in the OED but I've found The Cook's Dictionary and House-keeper's Directory: A New Family Manual of Cookery and Confectionery, on a Plan of Ready Reference, Never Hitherto Attempted from 1830. - Sitush (talk) 17:13, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Hafspajen (talk) 17:19, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Bacon fraize, is this a relative? Now this, is bacon missusechocolatey-bacon-cake. Brr, no thanks. Hafspajen (talk) 18:45, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

That just looks like a bacon pancake to me... (a Dutch, non-fluffy pancake). Drmies (talk) 19:57, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• 
  Chocolate bacon cupcake
• 
  Bacon cornbread
• 
• 
• 
  Zingerman's Bacon Brunch - Biscuits & Gravy
• 
  Oud-Hollands-Gebakkraam
• 
  Lardy Cake
• 
  No bacon cakes on commons, you go and take some pictures, people who eat those

Another fan vandal - a sock?

Tory Ailes 243 (talk · contribs) - is there a known puppetmaster for this sort of thing? Dougweller (talk) 22:01, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• Dougweller, what happens when I click that link? Will I be Rick-rolled, or will my children turn into zombies? Tell me that first before I click anything! (For all I know, you're a zombie trying to lead me astray. Let me block your account as "compromised", just to make sure.) Drmies (talk) 22:13, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Rick-rolled! Drmies, you must be as old as me... no one seems to remember Rick-rolling any more... Things don't get better, at best they just get different.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:02, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• Doug, did you find the way to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/David Beals? I'm sure you have. Drmies (talk) 20:39, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• I'd forgotten about that. See [44]. User:Tory Ailes 243 is an obvious sock if not a meat puppet. Dougweller (talk) 22:00, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

What do you make of this?

Now at one of the other three album articles that I edit. Is he really improving these articles, or is he houding me? GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 00:28, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• Or you're hounding him. This is a great tool. His first edit to the article was in 2008. Or you're both hounding Draeco, who first edited the article in 2007. Or neither of you are hounding the other, of course, you just happen to be editing similar articles without being able to get along. Drmies (talk) 01:30, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

The last option, Drmies, you nailed it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:12, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

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• Dunnit. In my sandbox is an article on Prussian high-class pornographer Hermann Fenner-Behmer (I accidentally acquired one of his prints Saturday) "translated" from German wiki. Haffy might like to move it to mainspace (but I can't think of a DYK for it). And two photos of a bowl by Glyn Colledge- so the seller told me- apparently his stuff can be distinguished from the general run of Denby by the glaze flaking. Might be suitable for his page. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:10, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Where is that? Oh, found that. Well, I would't go so far to call him high-class pornographer so far - by what I have seen of his pictures. Take a look at Jean Auguste Dominique Ingres, he is supposed to be high-class artist. Hafspajen (talk) 12:26, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Ingres totally kicked ass. Yngvadottir (talk) 12:51, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• Well, it is a new way of saying it, nothing I've read in art history books, but yes. I was mostly talking about Herman's choice of the subject, I don't think artistically are in the same class, but no offence painting nudes and so. . Hafspajen (talk) 12:56, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• Wow...are there really women who read like that? Drmies (talk) 16:21, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• Very thoughtful artist- gave his model something to while away the time… "We Go To The Gallery" by Miriam Elia. 5 seconds ago I never heard of energetically modified cement. Now I are an expert (old joke) Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 07:39, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

A blast from the past

WP:FTN#Ann Ree Colton and Niscience. Dougweller (talk) 16:04, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Ilovedougweller

Or rather Ilovedougweller (talk · contribs). Probably not a real fan considering the edit history. Dougweller (talk) 19:17, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• Who? I'm surprised they didn't get blocked after the first edit. Drmies (talk) 19:31, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I was surprised that one of the editors who reverted didn't and I think said something but got no reply . Didn't feel I should block unless there were further problems. Dougweller (talk) 19:50, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• I need the money. Drmies (talk) 19:53, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• Hey man, at least they're expressing love for you (even if they're doing it ironically); better than saying that you suck and/or need jail, which is what happens to people involved in the Great Ceiling Fan Boondoggle. btw, Dougweller, I touched up your common.js page; all you should need to do is bypass your cache using these handy-dandy instructions and you should be good to go for mass rollback. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:57, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
• Yeah, it's a lot better than Drmessuckafattie. Drmies (talk) 20:36, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• Lol. Much better. Thanks for blocking him, and Writ Keeper thanks for fixing the script. Most of my 'fans' related to Wikipedia have been off-Wiki. There was an attack article on Metapedia about me (written by someone from here I upset and now deleted) and on Rational Wiki (also now deleted), on Examiner.com (still there) and Kaveh Farrokh copied from them and put an attack page on his website, but he and I are friends now and that page is long gone. Then there were the fake Facebook and Google+ pages. It's so great to be popular. Dougweller (talk) 21:28, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I actually tracked down that Ceiling Fan sock and I just don't get it. It's so random. Maybe that's the hallmark of trolling. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:33, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I had User:Pharmboylover back when I was edited as Pharmboy. He didn't really love me for my mind, however. Just popped in to look at AN/ANI for a minute, but I don't see a reason to wade into the mire. I'm used to being the guy that calms things down and settles stuff like that, and not the center of it. Have to get up before the roosters, so I'm out for the night. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 01:42, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

These are the kind of things that need to be known by editors considering an RfA. Not a deal-breaker, I know, but being personally targeted seems to go along with the mop. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:22, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

*shrug* You're not wrong, I suppose, but a thick skin should kinda go without saying when it comes to being an admin. And I don't know that it has anything to do with the admin bit specifically; it's more just what one gets oneself involved in. I'm sure there are admins that avoid dealing with socks, trolls, and assorted controversial areas and so don't get any colorful socks named after them, and I'm also sure that there are non-admins that do try to help with the trolls, etc. and do get them, so it is what it is, I guess. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 03:21, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Dennis--they didn't love you for your mind? What did they love you for? Drmies (talk) 17:19, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

My masochistic tendencies, perhaps. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 19:32, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Interesting post

Please take a look at this edit please. While it was unsigned, it's from Pete/Skyring. It immediately followed a post of mine. That presumably makes it a breach of our mutual IBAN. Many warnings have been issued in the past. I'd like to hope the response can go further this time. HiLo48 (talk) 22:43, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

A conversation on this has evolved over at User talk:John#Breaking IBAN, with all the usual "doesn't seem all that serious" types of comments from some Admins. Do the numerous warnings Pete has received not mean anything? HiLo48 (talk)

Concerning the ANI regarding editors at Talk:Energetically modified cement

Hello Drmies,

There have been some further revelations concerning the disruptive editing on the above-mentioned talk page, which I have detailed at the ANI filing. As the only administrator to yet investigate the matter, I was wondering if I could impose upon you to look into the matter further. Specifically it has come to my attention that one of the two IP's involved (not the one you gave a warning to, but the other), is in fact a sock of autoconfirmed user Jono2013. Between these accounts and other IP's it seems he has long engaged in uncivil exchanges, legal threats, and general bad-faith behaviour with anyone who has attempted to correct promotional tone on the article in question, the subject of which he may have a COI regarding. The uncivil behaviour and disregard for a number of central policies (WP:V and WP:NPOV especially), extend back about a year and after reviewing the article's edit, talk and AfD history at length, it's become hard for me to imagine the situation on that article stabilizing without a topic ban or some other sort of direct administrative action. Anyway, hate to burden you with the headache, but I thought you should know of the developments. Snow (talk) 01:30, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

• Well, there's this--Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jono2013/Archive. I note that Jono hasn't edited since 2013, and since there is no overlap in any recent contentious discussions it's not socking. The moment that both the registered account and an IP address are used it's a different matter, of course. Drmies (talk) 16:23, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Yeah, he seems to have left off that tactic since his ban. I brought that to light mostly because it establishes just how how long his disruptive and severely vitriolic behaviour with regard to editors who disagree with him has been going on. To say nothing of his attempts to mislead or confuse process. In any event, it's to be hoped that your taking a firm line with him will pay off -- his ban for sockpuppetry seems to have taught him the better of that practice - perhaps this response will do the same regarding incivility. Given his long history of hostility and denigration towards fellow editors, I'm not exactly going to hold my breath on that one, but at least the editors there will have some breathing room and a chance to focus on the actual content rather than his histrionic antics. Thanks for looking into the matter! Snow (talk) 20:22, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
    • He's at it again. He's continuing to denigrate the contributions and right to comment of other editors. I'm sorry, normally I would have given the matter at least a few days before bother you again, but he's now decided that it is within his rights to remove the posts of other editors in the talk page when they are critical of him. Snow (talk) 01:07, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

A secret society, a cult, a national political party, sexual immortality, this one has it all

I'm not sure how I ran into Twelve Visions Party and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twelve Visions Party but the more I look at it it gets weirder and weirder. Its goals seem to include "Sexual immortality, have the sexy body of you always evied , internal romatic love, enternal love making, biolagical immortality/stop the process of aging , brint the child of the past, have the love of your life."[45] (spelling errors not mine), its leader is actually a trademark that runs a secret society that some people say is a cult, etc. Take a look at my comments and links. And Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Twelve Visions Party where it's advocates have to post now it's protected. It will be interesting if it survives AfD. The cult and secret society aspects are just weird (and not mentioned in the article, although I'm tempted to add to the article that their leader Mark Hamilton is a trademark. I'm not sure if we can use sites such as [46] for a living person, but if Hamilton is a trademarked name then it's not Hamilton who is the living person, is it? The party itself seems to be a weird adaptation of Ayn Rand's ideas. I once heard her speak when I was an undergrad at Yale. I was sitting next to her with our seminar leader - he seemed quite amused that I was making paper airplanes during her talk. Dougweller (talk) 13:50, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Dougweller, do you remember Felix ho? Same thing, eh? ^{I love you, by the way} Hafspajen (talk) 14:04, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Hafspajen The dog trainer? No, I really know nothing about him. Dougweller (talk) 14:17, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

• Doug, now. Do you remember all those who voted and voted and voted? [47] Hafspajen (talk) 14:20, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

• Sorry Doug--what AfD? Also, I "Have The Body You Always Envied", next to me in bed, every night. Drmies (talk) 17:13, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

• Ho's involved in Belgian Ring. I too have "internal romantic love"- I wear gloves at night, but it still doesn't stop me. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 17:17, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

• What Belgian Ring? (OK, I'm getting ahead of myself.) Drmies (talk) 17:30, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Ah, now I remember the Ho AfD. My bad, I was involved. I was thinking of the secret society angle. As for the 12 whatevers article, I'd be surprised if they give up. Dougweller (talk) 17:21, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, let's see where they go next. Drmies (talk) 17:21, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Belgian Ring- a bad dog article, written by a Belgian. I'll have a go at it later. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 17:37, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

FergusM1970

You closed an ANI regarding this user as "Editor has agreed to tone it down and be mindful of BLP policy. Drmies (talk) 02:52, 19 February 2014 (UTC)." Please review [48]. Thanks. Hipocrite (talk) 14:09, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

• Hipocrite, can I just go "duh" here? In the very message in which you warn them of a BLP violation, you commit that same violation by repeating it. Anyway, I blocked them because in their response to you they committed another BLP violation. Drmies (talk) 02:45, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		Bacon Barnstar
		Thanks for creating the new Bacon cake article, and for expanding Wikipedia's coverage of bacon-related topics. NorthAmerica1000 16:23, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks! Very kind of you. Drmies (talk) 17:14, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Singular in the first sentence, and plural in the second. Is there any hope of rectification? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:27, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Yes. Never give up hope, Cullen. It springs eternal. Drmies (talk) 02:34, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Twelve Visions party

Hi, Doc. Is there any problem redirecting that page to Integrated Management Associates, which I've been expanding? Or is it maybe better to let the sleeping pit bull lie for now?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 17:17, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

alf laylah wa laylah, any chance of a copy of the LA Times article? If it says Hamilton is actually Ward then we can use link showing Hamilton is actually a Trademark. Dougweller (talk) 17:25, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

• If you can make a reasonable argument that it's valid as a search term, and that that target is a valid target, go ahead and created it. (No need to make the argument here--I just want to know that you think you could.) Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:31, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Drmies, I'll think about it. Dougweller, I emailed it to you because it's paywalled. I'll take the details to your talk now.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 17:38, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
  • I made the redirect, and already I'm sorry. Can I request a speedy deletion if someone else has already posted something to the talk page of the redirect?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 18:18, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Done. G7, One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page. And surprise, the comment on the talk page was just promoting the party. I've semi-protected both talk and article names because it's pretty obvious the SPAs will be back if we don't. Dougweller (talk) 19:16, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Help Desk Inquiry

A question has been raised at the Help Desk about the deletion of the Twelve Visions Party. While I concur with your closing comment that many of the KEEP arguments didn't stick to the point, I advised the poster to go to deletion review. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:42, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks. We'll see what happens. Drmies (talk) 01:54, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

RE: Coat of arms of the Italian Social Republic

Since you intervened, you are kindly invited to evaluate both positions before making such a statement. Here in Commons is present the original historic coat of arms of the Social Republic, so why not use it? Please check: both drawings in question are mine, but only in one of them there are sources). --F l a n k e r (talk) 19:52, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

• Take it up on the article talk page, or start an WP:RfC. Your content is not my concern, which is rather that you are edit warring, disruptively inserting this image again and again, kindly or not. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 01:13, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

• That is false: it's Kintetsubuffalo that insert my image (of course the wrong one) again and again. See the page history if you do not belive me. I've have tons of pictures here in Wikipedia used as istitutional images (from Coat of arms of the Soviet Union to Emblem of Italy), and of course tons of improvements done to better represents the originals. Kintetsubuffalo insists to get a fancy emblem only because he like it more... --F l a n k e r (talk) 17:00, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

• Take it up on the article talk page, or start an WP:RfC. Drmies (talk) 17:02, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks, but I've tryed already to talk with him on the article talk page, but he refuses any dialogue. I'll try again. --F l a n k e r (talk) 20:54, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

If you start an RfC they're pretty much forced to participate. Read the manual for it and see what the proper procedures are. It's the best way (short of violence, of course) to settle an issue like this. Drmies (talk) 00:32, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

A response to your comment on my talk page

I don't know how to notify you I have responded to your comment, so I am posting here so hopeuflly one way or another you will see it:

Thank you for your text. It is not about "dumb schmuck" and I do not think you are and anyway I would NEVER insult anyone's lack of prior knowledge. Why would I? But, at the same time, I also know that I am not an expert on the majority of the specialist subjects that have made it onto Wikipedia and therefore personally I would always defer. In fact, half the problem here is that I have written the page to "appeal" so that complexities can (hopefully) be understood. But not to exclude the reader, but to hopefully give a greater understanding of what is a very complex subject. I don't mean just EMCs but the entire universe that the subject "opens". I do not get it right all the time. But I have written highly complex sections on concrete pozzolanic chemistry, to try to explain something that even a lot of cement chemists do not understand.

The plain fact is, I have tried to "contextualize" a lot of the complex writing by explaining its relevance. Maybe we have a different tradition of encyclopedia in Sweden. But I would like to think an encyclopedia is there to "educate" and not just "state". This is where I think what has been my willingness to "explain" has instead been misconstrued as "promotional". We just come from different traditions as to what an encyclopedia is. The Swedish version of Wikipedia is nowhere near as "sensitive" to this. Because in Sweden it is important to explain things properly so that there is an education. Because thge "pedagogical" impact is always seen as so important. That is how us Swedes write.

I hope this helps 213.66.81.80 (talk) 02:04, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you. I'm not going to get into a discussion of how things are done on the Swedish wiki, but I will say that my comment wasn't so much directed at what you may have put in the article but rather what goes on on the talk page, where I am trying to ascertain who's being helpful and who's not. I wish you would comment more briefly--you're taking up half of ANI right now--and I wish you would drop that stick of "bullying"; perhaps that other IP editor was gruffer with you than you would have liked, but the fact of the matter is that they're not doing so right now (and I will keep a close eye on them), and I don't wish to block retroactively. Anyway, thanks for your response. Oh, if you wish to "notify", you can type something like {{U|Drmies}}. Drmies (talk) 02:16, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

ANI

I see you've been having fun there. I've wasted so many hours this week with idiots - can't we have a day when no one but the good guys can edit? Take a look at my latest ANI report - WP:ANI#Europa Universalis vandalism and copyvio from Charles Esdaile - need range block - I even bought a book to check out the copyvio, but the stupid videogame vandalism is much more of a pain and much less rewarding then looking up copyvio, at least then I learn something sometimes. Dougweller (talk) 14:32, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

• Me, fun? I doubt it. It's desperation masking as lightheartedness. So let me get this straight. There's some strategy game about fictional (?) countries and world histories, and a bunch of kids/morons are using those terms to use in real articles? Wow. 20 million years of evolution, a technical revolution, world government, so some dumbo can fuck around a bit. This sounds pretty insidious and I have no idea what one could do about it. Good luck! Drmies (talk) 22:25, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

FYI

In the event you haven't seen it, your revert of the editor you blocked was just reverted by an IP from a university network.

Furthermore -- the last prior article that IP had edited, a month ago? It was most recently edited by the same editor you blocked.

Duck-ish block evasion by the editor you blocked? Epeefleche (talk) 18:03, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Exactly my thoughts when I just blocked 209.129.16.79 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). De728631 (talk) 18:24, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks. Query -- per WP:BLOCK EVASION, if the IP was a puppet of the blocked editor, shouldn't the term of the blocked editor's block be revisited? Given his block evasion, subsequent to his block?--Epeefleche (talk) 18:32, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. I lengthened the block by a week. Drmies (talk) 21:57, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Not sure what to do w/regard to his having spammed talk pages with what appears to be a non-RS link. He simply littered talk pages w/the url, and reverted an editor who had deleted it. See here.Epeefleche (talk) 22:37, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

• Well, you can search for it and remove what's there, or ask for it to be added to the spam list--I assume you're on solid ground when you say it's not a reliable source. Drmies (talk) 00:11, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Humored

You clever little bugger. You made me chuckle mate :) Cheers.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 20:05, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

• Well, if you ever want dessert again, you'll have to play a bit nicer than you did... Tonight you missed out on Bavarian strawberry pie, involving a variation on Bavarian cream. Good, and good for you. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 00:22, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Code 42 Software

An IP address registered to the subject of the article added link-bait, created an excessive Key People section, removed encyclopedic content, added promotional language, etc. They are a client of mine, but I do not know who made the edit. Of course lots of people work for the company and I can't control all of them. Anyways, it seems to me that currently WP:COI only allows me to remove "spam" but not necessarily spammy content and I was wondering if you would do the honors of a revert, presuming you come to the same conclusion as I. CorporateM (Talk) 21:25, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

• Hey, you can say "as me" if you like; I'm not an old-fashioned grammarian. What do you do for these outfits? I left the IP a templated message; perhaps you can tell them in some more detail what's going on (I left a few pointers in my edit summary). One day I'll read our new and improved COI but until that day I will assume that common sense still matters. Later, Drmies (talk) 00:18, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Coolio. Yah, I suppose WP:COI does still say to use common sense - the way things are headed I'm surprised it still does. CorporateM (Talk) 02:45, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Reading the edits, the reverted content, and the conversation here, CorporateM's "relationship" with Code 42 Software needs to be fully disclosed. The edits that ware reverted back didn't look terrible; you'll find many companies listing their president(s) and VPs as key people, adding links to corporate product sites, etc. 86.150.234.242 (talk) 11:21, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

CM is entirely open that they were paid to write the article e.g. the template on the talk page and discussions in the archive. Those edits were crap and were rightly reverted - if there are other articles with content like that it should also be removed (WP:OSE). SmartSE (talk) 11:50, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Smartse. The IP needs to know that I march to the beat of my own drummer, and CorpM did the right thing: I am attached to neither that company nor to CorpM. Drmies (talk) 14:58, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Now somebody has added a citation needed tag in the Lead to an item that is properly-sourced in the body of the article. Per WP:LEAD, content does not require a redundant citation in the Lead. I am not sure what better thing to do than whine about it to someone else, being that - as you can see - even obvious edits can become controversial where a COI is disclosed CorporateM (Talk) 20:11, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

New Wikilove

Hafspajen has given you a fresh piece of fried chicken! Pieces of fried chicken promote WikiLove and hopefully this piece has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a piping hot piece, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Bon appetit!

Spread the tastiness of fried chicken by adding {{subst:GiveChicken}} to their talk page with a friendly message, or gobble up this chicken on the giver's talk page with {{subst:MunchChicken}}!!

• Hafspajen, what you should really try is fried chicken on a waffle. Yes. It's a southern thing and it's delicious. With syrup. Drmies (talk) 00:13, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

MMmmm, sounds delicious. Any good Southern Turkey recipes then? I am a big turkey -lover. Americans do good turkeys. Hafspajen (talk) 00:26, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm a turbo lover. Don't care for turkey, sorry--I always dread the holidays, in fear of Mrs. Drmies making me cook turkey. I don't know if there is a real southern recipe, but you could try a dangerously American thing: deep-frying it. But do it outside, well away from your house or shed. Drmies (talk) 01:07, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Makes you? I love cooking turkey. It makes me feel so wonderfully rich. Hafspajen (talk) 01:42, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Haha, I can see that, yes. But I don't even like the smell of turkey. Drmies (talk) 01:44, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Please review

My reading of consensus here. Thanks in advance. --John (talk) 21:04, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

• Ouch. I knew this was going to happen. This'll have to wait until later tonight, or possibly tomorrow, John--it's a long read and I'm expecting company. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:45, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Take your time sir. This has been festering for years and a few more days won't hurt. Ik wens u een fijne avond. --John (talk) 22:48, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Dankuwel. Drmies (talk) 23:02, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Now appearing at an AN/I near you. --John (talk) 11:59, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

• I'm still reading the talk page. Drmies (talk) 13:24, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

two corners?

Thanks, anyway. I guess you're just the "spyglass Guest at the feast". Martinevans123 (talk) 23:20, 28 March 2014 (UTC) ... deep irony

*

		The Socratic Barnstar
		Well done. Hafspajen (talk) 23:45, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Why this? I don't understand a thing about this. This article was partly translated from the Italian Wiki. And reworded, no way that is copyvio. What Refs are all bald URLs? Aren't we using webbsites as refs? The DYK that was twice green ticked was removed from que, why? Hafspajen (talk) 13:30, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

• Well, no one said "copyvio". Just put the thing in quotes, it harms no one. I'm working on the references. (And if I had been reviewing this I would have said "too many images"...) Drmies (talk) 14:25, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

• Let's just withdraw the DYK, no point in this. Hafspajen (talk) 14:54, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) Nonsense - he's fixing it. Drmies, the number of pix is not a DYK criterion, unless the rules really have proliferated since I was involved in that project. Thanks for fixing the article. It'll be a great DYK. Yngvadottir (talk) 14:58, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

hafspajen, this is a book. citation needs page numbers Can't, this is a translation from the Italian article and my computer will not allow me to read it, we have way too high security on our computers. Hafspajen (talk) 15:11, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

• Fixed. Yngvadottir, you know I don't care for the DYK requirements: my most important requirement is that it's a decent article that shows us in our best light. Hafspajen, it's all taken care of, I think, except for that PDF from academia.edu: that is a book (thesis), and there are two references to it. They need page numbers, and if the two citations are not on the same page, you will need to move the reference and do page numbers the way I did it for the Quest-Ritson book. Also, check those italics/single quotation marks in the enumeration of roses. I left a note at the DYK nomination page. Happy frontpaging, Drmies (talk) 15:15, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

• Hafspajen, I don't understand--that source is not there in the Italian version. What information in the current article comes from it? Drmies (talk) 15:19, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

• Fixed, I believe. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:45, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks, Drmies and Yngvadottir. Nice of you to help where others just delicately point at your mistakes. You know, this is the second time a DYK get overruled in this manner? Here, Template:Did you know nominations/Quod scripsi, scripsi was some fussing about a quotation in Latin, about that the real person in the real life would never said that in Latin. But if it is a citation, from a Latin book? I feel this DYK thing is too overelaborate and not very helpful. By the way, I think Sagaciousphil mentioned something about me being a new DYKer. Hafspajen did this as his first ever DYK review, eh, what does this say about the project? Hafspajen (talk) 15:55, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

User:Quale

User:Quale came to my Talk and accused me of creating a "problem" for the Wikipedia by "coddling and encouraging" famed sock Wiki brah. I did no such thing, ever. (In fact the opposite. I've encouraged Wiki brah in a thread on my Talk to not harass other editors.) Have I ever gone to one of many Wiki brah's user Talks and initiated dialogue there? No, never. Has he posted to my Talk? Yes. Have I treated him like a person, not a shit? Yes. (Why? Two reasons: 1] After receiving your admonishment that I should "leave him alone" and stop criticizing him, I took that to heart, subsequently promising to him that he could expect from me in future immediate discontinuation of same. [That apparently made him comfortable, and as a result he withdrew the anti-Ihardlythinkso measures he was endeavoring, and has shown trust by leaving his honest thoughts on my Talk now and then. Nothing wrong with that.] 2] He's never falsely accused me of anything [he once insulted me by stating I was "getting a hard-on" at Talk:Internet chess server, but he has subsequently apologized for same].) I see no advantage for either me or the pedia to be offensive to Wiki brah. (What's gained?) The fact is he has made a positive contribution with article David Taylor (chess player), and that we have even attempted a degree of collaboration to improve the article User talk:Ihardlythinkso#David Taylor shows that there might even be potential for long-term turning around of this user to contribute positively to the encyclopedia in the end (and what's wrong with that?).

The reason I have not treated Wiki bra with any disrespect at my user Talk, is that he has never falsely accused me of anything ever -- unlike several "regular editors" that Quale compliments and encourages. (False accusations don't seem to be recognized on the Wikipedia beyond "general incivility", when they are really defaming and slanderous lies about a person, so, I tend to respect an editor who does not go down in the dirt, and tend to disrespect editors who do, even though there is no Wiki policy covering same.) Bottomline: I've only been uncritical of Wiki brah, since my promise to him (stemming from your "order"). I've found no reason to not treat him like a person, since he seems to have some ethics to the extent that he doesn't falsely accuse me of bogus in attempt to defame and bait me.

I've encouraged him to not harass other editors. I've tried to collaborate with him where he's shown positive work. So now I get attacked by Quale's false accusation that I've "caused a problem" by "encouraging" Wiki brah. (Yes. I've encouraged him to turn around, indirectly, by my behaviors toward him. He can sock endlessly under current technology, so nothing wrong with that [encouraging a turn-around] and in fact I think it is the only rational response. Instead, User:Quale disparages and accuses without basis or truth. I'm supposed to suck it up? Nothing could be more untrue. Quale's was a total offense. But that is what the Wiki is famous and good for, right? Insulting the hell out of others, fraudulently, and then when people react normally [like Eric] and tell them to fuck off, they then get carried to the buring stake at ANI/Arbcom for WP:CIV infraction. That sucks. [I don't initiate trouble at WP; there is not even one diff in my entire editing history where I have. In those cases where I've been uncivil, it has without exception been in context of an editor going out of their way to throw shit, falsely accuse, or personally attack. No exceptions. {I used WP:DICK once against an editor, but I honestly did not think it was uncivil -- I was green then and thought it was Wiki-approved criticism where an editor is being a pain. So I'm not counting that since it wasn't intended as offense. There was maybe one other example of shoddiness from me in my history re inexcusable incivility.} But that's just boring fact.])

Thanks for reading. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 07:51, 29 March 2014 (UTC) p.s. Quale is a fucker for accusing me of that shit. So will civility patrol block me now for saying? p.p.s. Can I ask you to please warn Quale. (I don't ever expect apology from that SOB.) Thank u.

What is roll-back? (I'd like to eliminate all my edits to any non-chess-variant article on WP. Can I select a target article and ask for or initiate undoing of edits I've made on the article myself? With special permission? What?) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 10:05, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

• My dear Ihardlythinkso, I'll tell you all about it, and might even give you rollback, if you insert some paragraph breaks in that message. I'm still on my first cup of coffee. Drmies (talk) 13:08, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
• Much better. I made some instant coffee. Drmies (talk) 21:14, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
• OK. Easy things first: see WP:ROLLBACK, our one-click answer for reverting without talking (that's what it is, too often). Please read the manual, though, and don't use it except for in the cases outlined--vandalism, mostly.

  As for Quale, you know I'm not going to block you for those words, but my civility police badge was yanked a long time ago. I wish you would use different words. And you have to now that Wiki brah is deemed to be a longterm disruptor, and even talking to someone like that is deemed by some to be "coddling"--or, enabling. Their sock puppetry is a matter of record; that alone is sufficient for most users. I have a slightly different view and have had contact with them in the past, a little bit, but I don't think I was aware of who it was. As far as I'm concerned banned users are not automatically persona non grata, but you have to realize that the letter of the law (don't ask which one, I don't have my law books on me) says that Quale is in the right, and there are many admins who agree with that: no doubt some of them might be reading this and rolling their eyes. I did go ahead and block that last account because it's kind of my sworn duty, knowing full well that accounts for them are a dime a dozen. Personally I believe in rehabilitation. I simply wouldn't respond at length to those remarks: you're unlikely to change their mind and that's all there is to it. By the same token, I'm not going to warn Quale or anything like that since I can't really disagree with them even though I don't agree with them. My usual passive-aggressive stance, no doubt, or, live and let live. Does that answer your question? Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 21:27, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

  • Oh, hey, rollback only works on the last edit(s) made by one editor to a specific article. Drmies (talk) 21:31, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for added permission. I do not see how it is even possible that "Quale is in the right" when he's made an unfair, untrue and slanderous accusation of bad-faith. (Where or how have I encouraged Wiki brah to sock? To vandalize? To harass other editors? I haven't. I've done the opposite. If Wiki brah chooses to do those things, I am not responsible for his decisions, any more than I was responsible for User:Kaldari socking [of which User:Northern Antarctica accused me], or any more than Eric was responsible [as User:Resolute accused him].

I've taken care when responding to Wiki brah at my Talk. I've encouraged him to not harass other editors; I've encouraged him to collaborate on development of his article contribution David Taylor (chess player). Where does Quale get off making false accusation I've created "problem" on the Wikipeda? Where does Quale get off making false accusation I've "encouraged" Wiki brah's disruptive activities on the Wikipedia? All of that is pure bullshit/false-blame.

I'm not playing manipulative or bad-faith games here. When Wiki brah posts to my Talk, I see a person who is not an active Wikipedian, but a potential one with some content and policy skills, and a person who is not indecent to me as many editors have been here by throwing false slanderous accusations and making bogus attacks. What you're telling me seems to be crazy dysfunction advocated by people I do not even know. I'm supposed to do what? Ignore Wiki brah with no response if he posts honestly and decently to my Talk? While some "regular editors" and admins have no problem giving me all kinds of shit and bogus defaming attacks? What kind of world goes by rules like that? A dysfunctional one. (I should be decent and civil to the people who've invented all kinds of shit and gone out of their way to throw it at me, and rather turn a cold shoulder to a potential Wikipedian who has shown some skills, and who has never offended me with a false accusation ever?? Those are the rules you want me to follow here?! Psychologists would call that a "crazy-making environment", Dr.!) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 22:27, 29 March 2014 (UTC) p.s. The fact that I've received a better cut of decency, honesty, and civility from in a banned socking troll on the Wikipedia, should give a thinking person pause as to the state of the hostile and abusive environment here at the Wikipedia, which is culturally encrusted and accepted as "norm". (I should bow down to that culture and show respect?! Oh yeah.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 22:44, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

• If this potential Wikipedia would accept WP:OFFER (look at Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Wiki brah--174 items) they can come back in the fold. I think you misunderstand me, again. Quale is "right" when they suggest you shouldn't make friends with a longterm disruptive banned user. Some people think that having contact with such people is disruptive in its own right. But I explained this already, above, and I gave my own position--so I don't see why I should explain this again. It's like you are asking me why I enforce rules that I said I don't enforce: I am your strawman handing out bans or something like that. If you get along with Wiki brah, you have my blessing. If you don't like that Quale doesn't like that you get along with Wiki brah, you can't go to the Court of Eternal Wikipedia Justice and clamor about it being unfair, since Wiki brah has been doing what they do for almost a decade--so you'll just have to suck it up. If someone is being uncivil to you, you can, I don't know, report it at ANI or something like that. Please don't reiterate your "ANI doesn't work corrupt bunch of civil admins etc" spiel, since I don't need to hear that again. I also think that you managed--how, I don't know--to completely miss the point that I more or less agree with you. Drmies (talk) 01:22, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
  • make friends with a longterm disruptive banned user [...] Some people think that having contact with such people is disruptive in its own right. Then those people are screwed up. I don't know what you mean or intend to suggest re "making friends". The only thing I have done is to drop the criticism of said user, and responding without making an enemy of him, when he has done nothing to me. (Cassius Clay was a Vietnam War conscientious objector to the draft, stating he had no dispute with the North Vietnamese people, who had done nothing to him. [I say "ditto". For reasons already explained in detail.]) As mentioned I do not initiate contact w/ Wiki brah. I have only responded to him at my Talk when he has posted there. (So some people think that having contact with such people needs to be defined and limited to what it is, rather than spuriously implied to be wider and what it is not.) I have not asked you to enforce any rules. (I found Quale's accusation baseless and untrue and defamatory, and still do. You can't possibly understand how I might feel as a result, because you are not me in my shoes. I wasn't expecting anything, so don't worry 'bout it.) I don't mind Quale not liking that I'm cordial to Wiki brah -- but draw a line where he accuses me of having caused a problem on the Wikipedia thereby, and in "encouraging" Wiki brah to do bad here. [If anything, *he* encourages Wiki brah to do bad here, by actively targeting him as enemy, when that is irrational also, since nothing currently can stop sock productions.]) But I'm repeating myself also. (We both hate that!) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 05:23, 30 March 2014 (UTC) p.s. Please stop offering me to go to ANI ever, when you know my feelings about that are permanent. (If you didn't know, they are permanent. If I change my mind, please shoot me because it means I've gone insane and am helpful to no one and no purpose on the Earth. [p.p.s. I never said anything ever re corrupt bunch of civil admins or anything even like that re ANI. But I forgive you because you do a lot of stuff and your memory therefore ain't necessarily complete or accuate. I have advantage re memory over you since I'm not as busy and divided. I've only ever said it is a "cesspool of irresponsibility" there.] Don't worry I picked up the points where you didn't contend against my view.) Ok thx, nice chatting, and thx sincere for your time/attention. Ok, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 05:23, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
• "corrupt bunch of civility admins" is just my paraphrase of some things that you have said. Take it easy and have a nice weekend. Drmies (talk) 13:25, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Do your children know?

Frosch at Prinzenstraße station

...that you are being mean to a key member of the brilliant creative team that brought Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers to the civilized world? Luckily for me, my children are adults, so I can be as mean as I want. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:22, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

• Chip and Dale? You monster, Drmies! And what's with the horses? They've scared off moosezilla! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:26, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Ssssht, we're watching LOTR--Aragorn is about to enter the Cleft of the Realm of the Death! How will this end? Drmies (talk) 02:33, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Pssshhhhhhhht. Main character in a film that isn't Psycho? He's fine. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:41, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

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• Well. That is one hell of a song, Hafspajen. Zoot. Drmies (talk) 19:32, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

• What, Don't Just Sit There and look surprised. This is made by the Gibberish-Generator. here Hafspajen (talk) 02:47, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

• They're attacking Gondor and you're giving me gibberish?? Drmies (talk) 03:06, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
• siDremDDmii mmD iDrDemim, this a secret code, you know. Hafspajen (talk) 03:08, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

• worse still... Happy "Muthas" Day (dude). Martinevans123 (talk) 13:03, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

... what you said about me, making me blush? You may have forgotten (April 2013), and I discovered it only recently. Thank you, however late! - I like to meet the familiar horses , --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

He called you a bean, [50] - sv=(böna).... We call sexy women in Sweden for böna, like little bean, do you want to take a drink with me... eh? Hafspajen (talk) 23:40, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, it's a reference to Arrietty, where it simply means "being". That Swedish reading is appropriate too, no doubt. Drmies (talk) 01:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I think so, too ;) - Should I change the line "Every editor is a human being." (not by me, as my edit notice says) to "... human bean"? But it's the one line on my user page that hasn't changed for two years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:04, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Big eyed beans from Venus. Don't let anything come inbetween us. Men open your wallets and women open your purses. Because a man or a woman without a big eyed bean from Venus is suffering from the worstest of cases. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 06:25, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

• Xanthy? ^{Don't let anything come inbetween us}Hafspajen (talk) 06:51, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey, thanks for fixing the Garden of Ninfa. I should apologise for the mess, I should have done it as the reviewer but I guess I was too hasty and didn't pay proper attention. Many thanks for being a good Samaritan here. Yakikaki (talk) 15:02, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

• No worries, Yakikaki. Drmies (talk) 16:29, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Not your fault. Hafspajen (talk) 23:29, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for...

The Original Barnstar. --Goran tek-en (talk) 17:37, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm sowwy...

I'm sorry for re-formatting your post without asking, I just get carried away sometimes.

Felixphew (Ar! Ar! Ar!) 19:49, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

• Cute!!! Hafspajen (talk) 23:28, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

• Meow. Drmies (talk) 14:05, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Who on earth cites the same book dozens of times?

Answer: College students of said book's author, who've been sent to Wikipedia with the assignment to spread his gospel. Thanks for your work on the Black Panthers page.Pokey5945 (talk) 22:22, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

• Interesting. Well, it's not so much the citing of it, but rather the complete bibliographical details repeated time and time again. What I'm doing is gnome work--I'm not looking much at content and reliability. Thanks for your note! Drmies (talk) 23:59, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

ANI Notice

FYI, I mentioned some diffs listed on your talkpage (including your replies) at a recent ANI report regarding ihardlythinkso. No explicit mention of your username, however. Thanks.   — Jess· Δ♥ 00:10, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

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• This better be exciting! (Cullen, I'm still working on mobile editing, now with Beta, whatever that is. It's still a drag.) Drmies (talk) 16:04, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
• Well, I got to the party late but I'm doing a bit more cleanup. Children shouldn't have access to computers that allow them on the internet--it's far too dangerous for them. Oh, it's the switch-flipper! Flip flip! Drmies (talk) 17:25, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

A classic, if you didn't know that yet...

A bit heavy, maybe...

Dave Hepler is 44th President of the United States! During his administration, obesity rose 86 percent, America's food supply depleted in 7 months, and there was a McDonald's on every block in the country by his second year in office. The Presidents' heads on Mount Rushmore were demolished and replaced with Dave's head.

The Washington Monument became the Dave Monument, and the Lincoln and Jefferson Memorials became the Dave Hepler Memorials. Also, Dave created a new department in his cabinet, the Department of Obesity, led by Secretary of Obesity Spark "E". Also, Dave Hepler demolished the United Nations and replaced it with the LigaNations. By his third year, Dave Hepler was so popular he declared on national television that he no longer was a Democrat.

He had formed his own party, called the Daveists, who had close ties with the Democrats. By 2012, Dave Hepler was already one the greatest Presidents in U.S. history, and he easily won his second term against Bill Soff, a Democrat. But crisis had already erupted by 2013. Dave had always dreamed of absorbing Canada into the United States, and with the entire country behind him, Dave declared war on Canada. During the mobilization of U.S. forces, the election of 2014 was a victory for the Democrats; they had still managed to hold a majority in Congress. In 2015, Canada invaded Alaska; as a result, Dave swore immediate retaliation. With the crisis in Canada, Dave gained the support needed to suspend the U.S. Constitution, allowing him to run for his third term as president, which he easily won.

Also, the Daveists had finally gained control of Congress during the election. As the war continued in Canada, Vice President LaRoyal was captured by Canadian forces in 2018. He was held prisoner until 2019 when he was executed by a Canadian firing squad. Dave retaliated with an unprecedented nuclear strike on Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Winepeg, Quebec City, and Prince Edward Island. This led the British Empire to declare war on America. Back in Washington, Dave Hepler won his 4th term as President, with Joey Rosa as new Vice-President. But that very day, Joey is killed in a tragic spanking accident when he informed his mother he was becoming Vice-President. So Dave chose Bill Soff as his new Vice-President. That same year, the British Navy was destroyed by massive U.S. forces; resulting in Britain’s surrender of Canada to the U.S. In the Treaty of Paris signed in 2021, Canada cedes from Britain.

The United States instantly absorbs Canada, just as Dave had always dreamed. In 2022, the Daveists still hold their grip on Congress, and Emperor Marmadou III of the Mexican “Empire” meets with Dave in the White House to discuss a Mexican alliance with America. But instead, Dave eats Marmadou and absorbs the Mexican “Empire”. In 2023, Dave renames the American “Empire”, Daveland. Dave sends Jacques into Siberia, who starts a neo-Stalinist revolution backed by D.L. (U.S.) Marines. One year later, Dave sends Vincent to Vatican City who overthrows the Pope and announces a New Holy Roman “Empire”, as a part of Dave’s idea of “Worldwide Revolution”, to absorb the entire world into Daveland. Vincent is first declared dictator of the new "Empire" for ten years, then for life. Back in Daveland (U.S.), the Daveists maintained control of Congress and Dave won his fifth term as President. In 2025, Dave declares himself Kaiser Hepler of the First Daveist Reich. The office of Vice-President is dissolved and Bill Soff leaves the country in shame.

Meanwhile, Jacques begins his "March on Moscow" where he intiates a coup d'etait, and systematically gases the entire government and names himself the Czar of the second empire of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Dave pulls his most daring move yet, as he gains complete political power by abolishing Congress. Dave's word is now law. In 2026, Russian sympathetics retaliate against Jacques' new government by storming the Daveist Embassy in Iran and killing 5 Daveland diplomats. Dave invades Australia and establishes a militaristic puppet government led by former Secretary of Obesity, Mike Spark "E" Etling, now Admiral of the Royal Navy du Australia. After only two years the Soviet Empire falls into massive economic depression due to large-scale nuclear build up. Dave annexes, then absorbs the Soviet Empire. He now fully controls land on three seperate continents. In response to the killing of the diplomats in Iran, Dave launches troops in Iran via his new Russian territory. 10 million Iranians are executed military style in the first week of the offensive.By two weeks 25 million Iranians are dead, the government is overthrown.

Dave now prepares to expand his empire into the Middle East. To reach this end, Dave organizes the neo-Squadristi and assigns them the task of bringing Daveism to the Middle East. In 2028, a small anti-Daveist fringe group tries to set up Presidential and Congressional elections to "stick it to the Dave." Turnout is very low and Dave wins 80% of the vote anyway. The anti-Daveists responsible for this election are placed in a gas chamber. Dave appoints rising star Jacques as Il Duce of his neo-Squadristi assigned to spread Daveism in the Middle East. Meanwhile, in Italy, after 4 years of secret military buildup and mobilization, Pope Vincent unleashes the massive modern army of the New Holy Roman Empire. Within 6 months, he captures Berlin, Paris, London, Madrid, Lisbon, Dublin, Vienna, Brussels, and Geneva. Vincent coincided his invasion on the day European leaders were holding a “neo-Congress of Vienna” in Austria. When they are found by Roman troops they are all machine-gunned to death and beyond. With no leaders the countries of Europe have little choice but to join the “Concert of Europe,” a.k.a. the Holy Roman Empire. Chaten, The Legendary 4th Amigo of the former Mexican “Empire” and half-brother of Marmadou, goes to Washington to plea for Mexican independence.

Dave imprisons him and sentences him to Guantanamo Bay. For his only phone call Chaten asks the other 2 amigos to bust him out and help him free Mexico so he can inherit the crown that was rightfully his. In 2029, Dave announces his plans to add Mongolia to his Asian Empire. Instead of declaring all out war on Mongolia, Dave sends the only remaining descendent of Genghis Khan in to stir up trouble in Mongolian politics. In only two months, Mortimer Khan has been named Prime Minister of Mongolia. He immediately set up a Daveist government and killed anyone who objected. He was now the sole power in Mongolia. When the time came for Mongolia to be absorbed into the Daveist Empire, Khan foolishly refused, believing Mongolia could deflect a Daveist invasion. Dave declares war on Mongolia and mobilization in Russia begins. Daveland troops begin to mass at the Russo-Mongolian border. Khan believed that if Dave invaded Mongolia, his Chinese neighbors would come to their aid. The day before the scheduled invasion, Dave offers Khan one last chance to end this conflict peacefully. Khan refuses again and calls the President of China to ask for help. Even though China has the world’s 2nd largest army, navy, air force, nuclear capabilities, ect. in the world (next to Dave), they are still a formidable opponent to Daveland and if these abilities were used properly Dave could be defeated. But China refused to become involved in the crisis.

Without Chinese support, Mongolia lost before the war even started. Dave decides to use the same tactics in Iran, capturing citizens and killing them to mount opposition against the government. Dave’s full force sweeps in shortly afterwards with little resistance. When they reach the capital they find Khan in a “spider hole.” He is immediately airlifted to Washington and brought before Dave, who rips out his jugular vein with his teeth. Khan dies an agonizing death. Once Daveland troops gain control of the country, the top Mongolian General offers Dave the crown of the Mongolian throne. Dave accepts and absorbs Mongolia. Dave is now knocking on China’s door! Near the year’s end a massive jailbreak occurs in Guantanamo Bay. Two unknown Mexicans, later identified as Greg and Robbie, the 2nd and 3rd Amigos respectively used a bulldozer and a dozen Cubans to break into the compound. The Legendary 4th Amigo is freed along with twenty other anti-Daveists. They are all transported to a Japanese naval cruiser, which sets course for Japan. Dave intercepts the cruiser with a nuclear sub and destroys the ship. All aboard are found dead and accounted for, except Greg, Robbie, and Chaten, who escaped in a mini-submarine five minutes before the explosion. They hide in Titanic’s wreckage where Daveland subs will not find them. After the heat cools down, they travel to Somalia and set up a Mexican base there as a launching point for an Anti-Daveist worldwide revolution.

The Dave Hepler Saga Continues! Tune in for updates!

No source, that is the problem, Hafspajen (talk) 19:32, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Yep, the only one. Next stop, DYK. Or Yngvadottir's talk page, of course. Drmies (talk) 19:34, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh, but I do have good ones!, 1) List of fictional United States Presidents G–M, "2" Wikinews:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense , - told you it was a classic. Hafspajen (talk) 19:36, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Hej, Roses!!!!!Hafspajen (talk) 20:08, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mrs. Bridge

Thanks for your help Victuallers (talk) 00:02, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Garden of Ninfa

Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 16:02, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

• That's a lot of hits, Hafspajen! Drmies (talk) 19:03, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Block evasion

Hello, just so you know RidiQLus (talk · contribs) who you blocked has evaded the block by creating Bowser2500 (talk · contribs)... Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 19:11, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks. I'll start filing some paperwork later. Drmies (talk) 20:12, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

• You had left two block notices on an editor's page, but while his sanction is still in place he has removed it here. I believe that may fall afoul of WP:REMOVED, which states that: "A number of important matters may not be removed by the user—they are part of the wider community's processes: ... any ... notice regarding an active sanction".--Epeefleche (talk) 19:28, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Well, REMOVE specifies a few things but nothing like what they removed, so as far as I'm concerned they can do whatever they like. For future reference, we now have Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/RidiQLus, and a final warning. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:07, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Mad Dogg Athletics‎

Hi Drmies, can you help with this? I've tried to wade into the mess, but this is an edit-warring delight which I'm thinking of taking to ANI. Could require locking the page and warning/blocking accounts. Thank you, JNW (talk) 21:13, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

• I don't understand the principle behind your article selection. If you're as persistent as you seem to be, and so willing to wade into anything as long as it's muddy, why not try your hand at K-pop? Also, the pool is great--my little boy just fell in, trike and all, haha. Drmies (talk) 21:44, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Is principle required? I'll take the hint and say bye. Best regards, as always. JNW (talk) 21:49, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
    • Who do you want me to block? I'm inclined to think all of them should be blocked. Can I make a suggestion? Be more generous with templated edit warring warnings! I'm on the case. Oh, one more thing--have you considered AfD? Drmies (talk) 21:53, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
      • Check out the history for more action, JNW. I hope you have a great day. Drmies (talk) 18:57, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Delete article's history

I'm probably being to lenient with doing reverts. With an article's history of these edits, should the article's history be wiped or just hidden? The main ref goes to a site that is mostly not intelligible. But there are links to Jew Watch and has "lovely" sayings. Bgwhite (talk) 22:08, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

• Hmm. I don't want to tell you what to do, or how lenient one should be or not. In this case, I say delete it all, and indef-block the editor. :) Drmies (talk) 22:40, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
  • I didn't ask what should be done to you :) Bgwhite (talk) 23:12, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
    • The abusive admin's credo: delete and indef block everyone and everything. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:16, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
      • Did you look at what Nyjulie had to tell us? Drmies (talk) 23:41, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
        • Guess I missed that. I've actually been working for a change. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:48, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Extra! extra!

• "Russians: The four rings at Sochi Olympic Games opening ceremony were not a mistake, for four echoes death in Chinese. God set it that way to announce the ending of the old era and the beginning of a new life in 2014."
• Also, we're invited to a party--well, some of us, maybe: "Sons and daughters of Israel, come to the party of God on December 24, 2014, and check the news."

There's also pictures of her bathroom. Looks very clean. Drmies (talk) 23:45, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

• You forgot that Schwarzenegger will become the next U.S. President and an earthquake in November will cause New York City to fall into the sea. Bgwhite (talk) 00:00, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Sometimes, I can't tell if it because I'm not in on the joke, or perhaps it is just because you both are stark raving mad. Evidence for the latter is compelling, and the two aren't necessarily exclusive. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 15:24, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Lethal injection article

Did I miss a copyvio when restoring a blanking? If so, thanks for the catch!Wzrd1 (talk) 03:33, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, but that's alright. Funny thing--that text (I gave one possible source) is found in various places, and possibly adapted by state. There was one hit in a book for the string I searched for. Incidentally, Alabama is pondering legislation that would make the supplier of that pentathol (or whatever) a secret, to prevent a backlash. Woohoo, that's why we're not the sunshine state. Another backroom deal paid for by the industry, that of the death machine or that of the nine commandments. Drmies (talk) 14:21, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Help needed: Dennis Merzel - removal of Controversies-section

Hi. Another attempt has been started to remove the controversy-section of the Dennis Merzel page. Some outside-input would be welcome. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:50, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

No idea, The livin people guideline is not my strong part. He apparently misconducted himself. According to the disciplines of the Zen traditions, and actually practicing Zen and teaching Zen, and as a Buddhist priest, he should not behave like this. "Worthless man, haven't I taught the Dhamma in many ways for the fading of passion, the sobering of intoxication, the subduing of thirst, the destruction of attachment, the severing of the round, the ending of craving, dispassion, cessation, unbinding?.-.... and so on. Maybe a more neutral way of putting it? (dismay and stuff is maybe offensive) Hafspajen (talk) 11:50, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

As it is now, it's a simple summation of facts, especially the responses his conduct provoked. There have been several attempts the past few years to "clean" this Wiki-page. This was a nice attempt at intimidation. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:13, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

What section, Joshua? I found the The Modest Barnstar, but not the intimidation. Hafspajen (talk) 13:19, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Hope Mies can come up with some ideas how to handle this. Hafspajen (talk) 14:41, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Section 23. It was obviously copy-pasted from somewhere else. Oh well, just tell me to cool down if I'm making a fuzz again. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 15:39, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

^{"The follow is one of the reasons that you can be blocked from editing a wikipedia page. Per the blocking policy Unfortunately your continued edits of the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Merzel constitute defamatory information. Often times your posts contain unreferenced material gossip and are only single source references."}

Definitly not nice. Hafspajen (talk) 16:59, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Looks like he/she tried to intimidade you? Hafspajen (talk) 16:59, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Yep. Got four editors on his tail then, though. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:17, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

You boys had me looking hard for this. Make it easy on me, please. Joshua, are you talking about a comment from 2012, User_talk:Joshua_Jonathan/Archive_2012#Continued_edits_of_a_living_persons_page_with_out_references_will_get_you_blocked.? What does that matter here? Drmies (talk) 18:37, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Is it OK to say so? Hafspajen (talk) 18:57, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Oops, sorry Drmies. Yeah, 2012; not relevant to the current issue, but an illustration of the kind of interactions at the Merzel-page. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:12, 4 April 2014 (UTC)