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Maud Burnett

Hi. What happened to that info you were going to get re Maud Burnett from the Oxford DNB? If you can, some info re Lucile Sayers would also be appreciated. Thanks. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 06:52, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Distributor (band)

Thanks for expanding the copyright comment on this article. I did not mean to say Stroopy had lost his/her copyright, just that it had changed. Duffbeerforme (talk) 18:18, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Juvenilia (book)

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DYK for Hero and Leander (1819 poem)

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DYK for Bacchus and Ariadne (poem)

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DYK for Literary Pocket-Book

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DYK for The Calendar of Nature

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DYK for The Story of Rimini

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DYK for The Palace of Pleasure

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≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 03:38, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK for The Feast of the Poets

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Shubinator (talk) 05:40, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

ANI

hello Iron could you please look at this case, would you think Redvers actions are justified? He is barring me from commenting on a case i took there. cheers. Ecoman24 (talk page) 10:47, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Duty of care

Certainly would appreciate another pair of eyes and hands working on it; I have very sparse free time these days, though I was planning on working on the public bodies section soon. I think in general it needs a read through for flow, and some of the sections could do with expansions. RichsLaw (talk) 17:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

IP need temp block

Hope i am reporting in the right place. May you please temporary block this User talk:209.173.1.126, vandalized article Epic of Gilgamesh. cheers. Ecoman24 (talk page) 18:03, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, now sorted out. found wp:AIV. cheers. Ecoman24 (talk page) 18:09, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jean-Claude Danis

I expanded Jean-Claude Danis a bit. While he appears to fail the criteria for academics, he may be notable for other things. You may want to revisit Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jean-Claude Danis -- Eastmain (talk) 17:51, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Broken reference

The very last reference on List of members of Gray's Inn, "rud", has no content. Could you please go back and fix it? Thank you, Debresser (talk) 07:39, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Pardon me for jumping in here; I noticed it in passing.

I think the idea was to link up the Notes to the Bibliography, which I have just boldly done for the Ruda ref, with 2 edits [1] [2].

If you don't want that style, of course just revert me, no worries. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  17:44, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Credit broker

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Wikipedia exists due to the contributions of volunteers like you. Thanks Victuallers (talk) 02:00, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

New user, eGov stuff

Hiya,

New user, rentzepopoulos (talk · contribs) - is working on User:rentzepopoulos/eGovernment in Europe; I have given some help and feedback, inc in User talk:Rentzepopoulos/eGovernment in Europe.

I think, perhaps, this might be your field...perhaps you could further help and advise them. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  17:32, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Jonathan Gleich (2nd nomination)

Hi! As someone who contributed to Articles for deletion/Jonathan Gleich and/or the deletion review of that AFD, I thought you might be interested in the discussion at Articles for deletion/Jonathan Gleich (2nd nomination).

Note: this is going out to all registered editors with talk pages who commented on either page, not just to those on the Delete/Endorse or Keep/Overturn side.

Thank you. Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 22:17, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

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DYK for Lyon's Inn

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Grays and a decision of a Deputy District Judge

Glad you agree with me on Wilkes v Jessop and it isn't just me going mad. As for Grays, every little helps I suppose... Bencherlite^Talk 14:53, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Editor Review

I would appreciate your comment, if you don't mind. [3] Irbisgreif (talk) 23:52, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Maud Burnett

Hi. Sorry I almost forgot to say "Thanks" for the great work on the Burnett article. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 01:14, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Prevention of Crime Act 1953

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FA category

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Gray's Inn/archive1; Law, Art and architecture, or Education? I'm veering towards Law, unless you disagree. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:20, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks; could you get on the minor MOS issues today, perchance? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:00, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Please join the discussion at Category talk:Positional numeral systems#Notability

Notability of base 13 is not clear. Please join the discuss at Category talk:Positional numeral systems#Notability, I am lonely there. Cheers, — sligocki (talk) 09:37, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Octobert 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed maintenance templates from 21 Guns Live EP. When removing maintenance templates, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to, or give a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, as your removal of this template has been reverted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. There is no way articles with 0 sources establish notability - please stop removing notability templates without addressing them. Thank you. Rehevkor ✉ 10:54, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

You're forgetting that an article being tagged for notability it doesn't mean it's not notable - it just needs the notability established through sources. Unsourced stubs with 0 sources simply have not established their notability - if there's inherited notability in specific guide lines (such as studio albums only for bands that are notable per WP:NM) you should mention them in the edit summary rather than just "pass"ing them for whatever arbitrary reason. If you consider my comment "sarky" then I apologise, I was simply pointing out the obvious. And Afd does not override any notability issues - if the community decides something is notable sources would have been provided and would need to be added to the article before the maintenance temple can be removed. I admit I was overzealous in referting, but simply citing the how they're inherently notable in the edit summary would have avoided all this. If you consider my actions "moronic" then I suggest you read WP:CIVIL before continuing this. Rehevkor ✉ 16:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Confederate Civil Service

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Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Master of the Rolls/archive1

Cough... there's a backlog at FLC at present, and inactive nominations might get removed. Just a thought. Regards, Bencherlite^Talk 14:40, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

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Motte v Faulkner

I finally listed the page at GAN. We've discussed part of it before. I would like your legal eye on the review so I can find out how to make this page better. We can discuss the minutia directly. Ottava Rima (talk) 04:32, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

A few acts

Any case you could write Factories Act 1937, Holidays with Pay Act 1937 and Housing Act 1938? I'm rewriting Neville Chamberlain and these were some of his domestic achievements as PM. Not that he is known for that, it is a rather brief section!--Wehwalt (talk) 14:08, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. There may be a couple more acts, will keep you posted. I've mostly written the section involving Bonar Law in the NC article, you might want to have a look. Do your sources on BL mention what I read in one Chamberlain book, that a friend of Bonar Law later stated that Bonar Law told him that if Neville had had more experience at the time of the resignation, that BL would have recommended to the King that he send for NC? Also what is your view of the use of the word "Unionist" rather than "Conservative" for that era?--Wehwalt (talk) 20:38, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, do let me know if I can review the Law article, etc etc. I have listed Chamberlain at GAN even though it is not really ready, as the wait is long there. I'll keep you posted on progress. Right now, the article is done up to 1924, and most of his premiership (except the Irish part) is also done. I'm hoping to have it complete in two weeks.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:30, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I do have a GA reviewer for Chamberlain. Let me know when you are ready to list Law there, though. They are interred next to each other at Westminster Abbey, perhaps we can pull them through all this process together.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:30, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

It passed GA. I'd be grateful for peer review comments here.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:23, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

GANs

I applied fixes - Talk:Motte v Faulkner/GA1 and Talk:Thraliana/GA1. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:22, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Anything left? Ottava Rima (talk) 23:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

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Centennial

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		Well done, Ironholds. You started with Judges if I remember and you continue to write solid articles. All your help with the DYK project is appreciated. Hope you like the colour - its my favourite. Thanks again from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 15:41, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

And on the same theme... I was thinking about this the other day, honestly, but seeing the 100 DYK medal being awarded to you has pushed me into acting!

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Awarded to mark your tremendous work at Wikipedia, particularly on English law as exemplified by Gray's Inn (FA) and your DYK contributions; the occasion of your 100th DYK seems as good a time as any to present you with this well-deserved barnstar. BencherliteTalk 22:25, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Congrats, you are now officially half as amazing as me. :D 23:39, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

• Congratulations. Impressive. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:54, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Future work

That's a bold offer, sir! Topical choice would be William Garrow - I missed last night's episode but my wife said it was the best thing she's watched in years. There's a decent-sized ODNB piece with various sources in the bibliography to play with. Otherwise, how about we work together on the mess that is the Inner Temple article, if for not other reason than the "ancient amity" between the two Inns? Oh, and send me an email when you get a chance - I've scanned some pages from a biography of Denning about the position of MR and Denning as MR in particular, which you might like. Bencherlite^Talk 15:28, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Have you spotted what's on the Main Page as TFA tomorrow? Well done! Bencherlite^Talk 17:48, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

No-one nominated it; Raul just picked it, clearly because he liked it and thought it would make a change from video games... Bencherlite^Talk 19:12, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Really? Where did he write about this, then? Sounds interesting - and it reminds me that I ought to upload my photograph of John Baker and Igor Judge at a Selden Society meeting one of these days. Bencherlite^Talk 12:19, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

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Gray's Inn TFA

I see that Gray's Inn is on the main page - congratulations! (Fight them vandals!!) Brianboulton (talk) 00:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

FWIW and FYI and all that, net changes after a day of main-page exposure. Could have been worse! Bencherlite^Talk 00:07, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

The one who instructed me

Hello there, Glad to have you in with the discussion too! It's nice when everyone is trying to help me!
Well, if you insist, the person who said I was to upload the images and then wait for his kind assistance to solve the copyright issues is 95jb14. No name has been presented to me so that is all I can give you.
It may turn out that there has been a misunderstanding between him/her and me, of this I am aware. However, my concern is not to have anyone framed incase rules have been unintentionally broken, but simply to get on with the process and have my article completed for inclusion on Wikipedia.
About what you say on the subject of copyright I was totally unaware of these regulations working that way, so thanks for letting me know! By this I can now also understand that elsewhere on the web where these pictures have a tendency to appear, laws have been broken when the items in question have been copied and paisted without being authorized.
Kdkwinana (talk) 11:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

To clarify, I am Kdkwinana's adopter and yes I did tell the above user that I would sort out the images' copyright but I also told him to tell me when he/she had uploaded them straight away. He/She didn't do that and it was only the next day when I fixed a problem for him that I had reallised he/she had uploaded several images. By this time I edited elsewhere and was going to work on the situation today (the 3rd). However, I had discovered two messages left on my page today by the above user asking for help. I have now instructed him to ask for details from the owners of the images he uploaded. I appreciate that I should have placed a tag, copyright or whatever last night but I didn't. It should also be made clear that I have specified on my Apopter's info, plain and clear that I am around in the evenings, but not rarely during the day and finally, I have given several very useful links to this user and this is a quote I take from an instruction I gave him/her 'I think that providing the images meet the right copyright statuses (see Wikipedia:Copyrights) then that would certainly help the article.' 95jb14 (talk) 20:36, 3 November 2009 (UTC).

In hindsight that is true and I know that but then Hindsight is a Beautiful Thing. I made a mistake, but hay it's my first time, I just hope it works out... Bye, 95jb14 (talk) 20:41, 3 November 2009 (UTC).

DYK for Ministers of the Crown Act 1937

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Thanks Victuallers (talk) 01:56, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Inner Temple

Yes, let me know what you need. I'll be in chambers later today ("working at home" at present, then off to court). Bencherlite^Talk 09:33, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

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Newts

		Dear Ironholds, I apologise for deceiving you.
		user:dahsun was me posing as a newbie as part of the wp:NEWT experiment. Analysis of this particular test is at Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at CSD/WereSpielChequers and your input would be most welcome. PS See you Sunday? ϢereSpielChequers 00:53, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

CSD

Good catches with this guy's vandalism. I am sure you know this already, but were in a hurry to blank the pages due to their nature - but I always find it better to uncheck the "notify author" box at the top of the CSD page before hitting the attack button - especially when the attack is still visible in the article name which appears on the user's talk page. I have blanked them from the user's talk page. Thanks and great patrolling.  7  04:19, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Award where due...

		The Half Barnstar
		The Left Half of this Barnstar shall be awarded to User:Ironholds, who has made invaluable contributions to this article, by having undertaken substantial research. Mootros (talk) 11:27, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Coal Act 1938

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Regarding XXXXin Denmark=

Of course I will add more to them but for efficiency reasons I make a bunch and then add event, deaths and births as well as the relevant references afterwards - when finished creating 1972-pressent, that is. I'm aware that they aren't exactly informative right now.Ramblersen (talk) 22:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Guildenrich

Better now? Please, can you have a look at User:Alexikoua, he is being very disruptive these last two days. Guildenrich (talk) 22:25, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

M/A-COM Technology Solutions

You tagged M/A-COM Technology Solutions for speedy deletion. It ought to be merged into M/A-COM instead, so I will start to do that. -- Eastmain (talk) 23:01, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

• These now appear to be two separate companies, so I have decided to keep M/A-COM Technology Solutions as a separate article. I added some references. -- Eastmain (talk) 00:08, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

why oh why???

its almost 2am here ill deal with you later Eli+ 23:31, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Notability issues

Hi Ironholds. I haven't contacted you for a while but keep track of your impressive editing. Could you have a look at these three articles: Charles Devereux, 19th Viscount Hereford, Sir Christopher Nugent, 6th Baronet and Frederick Ponsonby, Viscount Duncannon, all created by User:Flaming Ferrari. I don't know if they're friends of his but they are all graduates of the University of East Anglia, like the user himself. Can't see how they would be notable in any way. I have tried to redirect them previously and had another go a few days back. FF have then reverted my edits without explanation (although the article on Nugent still redirects to Nugent Baronets - don't know if he has missed this). Could you have a go at redirecting the articles on Duncannon and Hereford or propose them for deletion. Regards, Tryde (talk) 10:51, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I have redirected the articles on Hereford and Duncannon for a third time. I will let you know if my changes are reverted. Tryde (talk) 12:13, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I tried to have a discussion with FF back in July (as shown here), but he did not reply. A few days ago I noticed that he had retired and shamelessly hovered over him like a vulture, thinking here's a chance to get this sorted without a lot of fuss! Unfortunately he apparently still keeps a hawkish eye over his contributions and wasn't going to let this pass. I am aware of the three revert rule so if there any further developments I will let you know. Regards, Tryde (talk) 17:54, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

You are probably aware that your redirect of Rupert Onslow, Viscount Cranley has been reverted by FF. Is John Boyle, 14th Earl of Cork a notable person? Member of House of Lords 1995-1999, spoke once. Tryde (talk) 10:43, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Can you review?

As you know, I don't have access to the ODNB. Another contributor has proposed a rewrite at Talk:Richard_Way/Temp. Not surprisingly, it has similar details and in similar order, but I do not know if it constitutes a derivative work or if it is sufficiently revised from the original. Can you review and share your thoughts? --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:15, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

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Thank you

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		For your help locating and evaluating copyright problems on Wikipedia and especially your assistance in accessing sources that are not readily available. Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:40, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

It is very much appreciated. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:40, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

The cleanup on this is down to five articles that need double checking against the ODNB. If they're clear against that source, we can close them out. Do you have time to take a look? If not, I'll track down somebody else with access to that source. :) (Listing) Again, appreciate the help you've already provided! --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:23, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Joachim Witt

Thanks. I know you sent that message about 7 months ago but I didn't even notice it until now,haha! Anyways, I have updated Joachim Witt's page quite a bit since then and I've uploaded all track listings and album covers and i'm in the process of translating the titles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KenshinXSlayer (talk • contribs) 16:26, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Antonio Graza

(or something like that...) I've taken your db-hoax off because it isn't. It's a summary of Ghost Ship (2002 film) in the main at least. It could redirect to the film article - but I've forgotten how (and have a very early start in the morning). If you could oblige, please.... It should really be Antonia, too. Peridon (talk) 22:31, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Abhishek Venkteshwar

Hey, just letting you know that I changed this to a PROD. Winning a number of awards is a credible assertion of notability. Thanks. Ale_Jrb^talk 14:00, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Taakatism

I agree that this one looks very dodgy and made-up-one-day, but in view of the "underconstruction" tag and the author's plea I have moved it into the WP:Article incubator to give her some time. I will explain to the author about verification and reliable sources, and will keep an eye on it to make sure it gets zapped if they are not forthcoming. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 15:04, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

No, you are probably right and I am being too kind and wasting the author's and my time. It looks as though s/he has another, "Turasism", in the pipeline; maybe I can head that one off at the pass. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 15:11, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Are You F*cking Kidding Me

heh:) I would have no problem supporting a deletion, was just too lazy to haul out the hammer on it. DMacks (talk) 19:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Megarex

Hello Ironholds, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of Megarex - a page you tagged - because: Coming third in a contest, dubious apart, plus some festival appearances is enough of a assertion to pass CSD. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. GedUK  13:24, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Ha, typical! First time I use the CSD helper script to decline a speedy, and it's you. Hopefully you won't hate me know :oP GedUK  13:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Rise_of_Neville_Chamberlain/archive1

Is there any chance you could look at this? Also, would you consider starting articles that are presently redlinked in the article, such as Housing Act 1923? Many thanks and hope Bonar Law is doing well.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:04, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Thermawing deletion

Hello, My First article ever & a speedy removal i see for no copyleft permission. Once I email permissions-en@wikimedia.org will my previous Thermawing article be posted? - Best, Bcahalin (talk) 19:21, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Cases listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Wikipedia:Cases. Since you had some involvement with the Wikipedia:Cases redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). TJRC (talk) 21:02, 23 November 2009 (UTC)