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The following discussion was started by me on User:Til Eulenspiegel's userpage, but later that user removed the whole discussion from his userpage. So I'm reproducing it here:

Hi, you seem to have removed this discussion from your own page I'll reproduce it here.–Jérôme (talk) 15:52, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

The phrase "known to scientists" is uninformative for several reasons. First, everything presented in an encyclopedia is supposed to be known be science; if it is not known by science, then we should not be inserting it into Wikipedia! As such, all sentences in Wikipedia could be followed by "known to scientists", making this a completely unnecessary sentence. Also, by the way, nothing is just "known to scientists": What is known to scientists is always also known to everyone else, since scientists publish they findings! What is more, the phrase "known to scientists" smells of unscientific content: People use it to justify any claim they want by mentioning, without citing, scientists. If there is a source for any claim on Wikipedia, then it should by cited, not alluded to by the phrase "known to scientists". In conclusion, I will re-remove the phrase "known to scientists" from the article Ethiopia; it has no place in an encyclopedia! –Jérôme (talk) 15:23, 20 April 2014 (UTC) (BTW, feel free to remove the whole sentence if you think it's wrong, or better yet – find a reference, but not by inserting the phrase "known to scientists"). Thanks!

Nonsense, encyclopedias cover all kinds of areas that are not "known to science" (especially this one), where do you get these pompous ideas? Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 15:27, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, it seems you like to use the 'revert' function a lot, so I won't try to have a edit war with you. Anyway, just to explain to you what I mean, in case my explanation was not enough: Science is the general term for the methodology we use to derive knowledge, including knowledge in Wikipedia. While we don't do science ourself here on Wikipedia ("no original research"), we use the results of science everywhere. Yes, information about the history of humanity in current Ethiopia is researched by science, and the information about it that we present on Wikipedia is known to us by science. So, is it correct to add the phrase "known to scientists" after any sentence in Wikipedia? Yes, otherwise we shouldn't be citing the information. Should we use that sentence? No, since, by the rules of Wikipedia, it is redundant. Now, I don't know whether you revert things just by principle, be it manually or by some tool, or whether the article 'Ethiopia' is dear to you personally. Maybe that phrase is one you wrote personally and want to see intact? Please explain what information we should be including in Wikipedia that are not 'known to science'. I think the best thing you can do is trying to be productive on Wikipedia – add things, make things better, and don't spend your time in reverting blindly – I know that's what I'm doing. Cheers –Jérôme (talk) 15:52, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

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Added note that I created it.–Jérôme (talk) 09:11, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

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References have been added and above as been resolved, thanks a lot. kind regards, TruthToBeSpoken (talk) 14:50, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

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Hi, I noticed your edit summary at Haworthiopsis limifolia. If you are interested in the relationship between our articles on organisms and Wikidata, you might like to read my essay at User:Peter coxhead/Wikidata issues. It's not a simple matter! Peter coxhead (talk) 11:23, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll read it; I must confess that I am confused.–Jérôme (talk) 14:06, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi again. I've read it, and I must say, I have a few questions:

• Are the WikiData people aware that they're modeling names and not taxa, or is this more a thing that grew organically and now it's too late? I mean, there's nothing wrong with having semantic information about names, but then it should be in addition to information about taxa. Is there a WikiData discussion about this somewhere?
• For the Wikipedia article Haworthiopsis limifolia specifically, it would be nice if {{commons category}} would link to the Commons category with the same name as the Wikipedia page, because that's the correct category on Commons (which, if I understand it correctly, models taxa and not names). Do you know where something must be changed for that to be the case? As it is, using {{commons category}} produces a link to the Commons category named Haworthia limifolia, which is (logically) a redirect to Haworthiopsis limifolia. I guess something on the WikiData side would have to be edited, but I don't know enough about WikiData to see where. Cheers–Jérôme (talk) 14:27, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jérôme:

• Yes, there have been repeated and sometimes very long discussions at Wikidata about modeling taxa and taxon names. See, as examples, here and here.
• The link to the commons category in the left sidebar (of the desktop version) does go the right place, and if you look at the Wikidata item Haworthia limifolia (Q219500), the commons category property does link to commons:Category:Haworthiopsis limifolia. (The commons category is also correct at Haworthiopsis limifolia (Q39865426).) The problem seems to be in our {{commons category}} template. I'll ask at its talk page.

Peter coxhead (talk) 17:51, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

See Template talk:Commons category#Wrong link to commons category generated. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:59, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Merge Template:Fluorides and Template:Fluorine compounds?

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That makes sense, yes, but I wouldn't know how to start merging them. Cheers–Jérôme (talk) 19:03, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

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