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15:22, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
DYK nomination of Ubehebe Craters
Hello! Your submission of Ubehebe Craters at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 19:14, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
DYK hooks
Hi, I wonder if you notice that your last group of hooks are somewhat repetitious?
- ... that a volcano in Death Valley formed only about 2,100 years ago? (now in Prep 1)
- ... that the Salton Buttes (pictured) in Southern California are lava domes which formed less than 2,300 years ago?
- ... that the Cima volcanic field (pictured), important in soil sciences, was last active about 15,000 years ago?
- I'm mentioning it here first rather than on the template pages to get your feedback. The second two nominations have nice images, but I don't think we should promote the same type of hook to the lead slot again and again. Yoninah (talk) 19:31, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- I did actually notice. I think perhaps spreading them out over time may make sense, and both the Cima and Salton nominations have proposed hooks that aren't about the recency of volcanic activity. The irritating thing is that while these volcanoes are not very well known despite Southern California's sizeable population, there is often not much interesting to say about them. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:40, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- OK, I guess. If you want me to suggest other hooks, I could try. Yoninah (talk) 19:42, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
Ioah guyot
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DYK for Ubehebe Craters
On 30 September 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ubehebe Craters, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a volcano in Death Valley formed only about 2,100 years ago? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ubehebe Craters. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Ubehebe Craters), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Tyler Morley
Last year, you deleted Tyler Morley after @Yosemiter: nominated the page for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tyler Morley. At the time, Morley's career did not pass WP:NHOCKEY. However, now Morley has played in the Liiga and therefore passes WP:NHOCKEY ("Played one or more games in the National Hockey League, Czech Extraliga, Liiga, Kontinental Hockey League or the Swedish Hockey League, a top level Canadian amateur league prior to 1909, the Soviet Championship League, the Czechoslovak First Ice Hockey League or the World Hockey Association"). (his stats page) Can you restore the page? Joeykai (talk) 22:09, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
- So done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:29, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
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17:34, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Appreciation
Hi, With thanks for approving my article"John H Knox" I'll be glad if I can have your guidance on my future articles. Alex-h (talk) 22:18, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
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- OK, will do. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:32, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
Horizon Guyot
Excellent work. - Sitush (talk) 22:23, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
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23:38, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
Nuevo Mundo volcano
In your edit of 19:16, 6 April 2017 to the article Nuevo Mundo volcano, you added Coulees erupted from Nuevo Mundo lay above moraines. Can you backtrack to the source for that information? --Bejnar (talk) 07:55, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
- Sure,
Viscous dacitic lava flows emerged along a north–south fault forming coulees that overlay moraines in the NE and developed minor ash and block flows to the east. Sometime after the couleé implacementsmall cinder and ash cones developed
in Masse Masse 2007 p.190, the ref of the next sentence. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:16, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Check mudstone and odplegacy
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Since I may have incorrectly classified mudstones as carbonate sediments. Also, odplegacy may be an useful source for the guyot articles. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:41, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
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DYK for Galán
On 12 October 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Galán, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Galán, one of the largest exposed calderas in the world, contains the Laguna Diamante lake, where life has to tolerate extreme environmental conditions? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Galán. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Galán), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
DYK for Cima volcanic field
On 13 October 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cima volcanic field, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that humans carved petroglyphs into the cooled lava flows of the Cima volcanic field (pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cima volcanic field. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Cima volcanic field), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Clean up.
You and I appear to be treading on each other's toes cleaning up, the logos from a block evader. Unfortunately, I have lost track of the ones that have been reverted, and consequently can no longer remove the 'not in use' tag from the original versions of the images. 86.170.110.98 (talk) 08:53, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- Made a second pass and I see we got them all. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:06, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
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- That's done now. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:18, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
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October 2018
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DYK for Ioah Guyot
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DYK for Ita Mai Tai
On 20 October 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ita Mai Tai, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the name of the undersea volcano Ita Mai Tai (No Damn Good) was given by a scientist presumably upset by unsuccessful attempts to drill into it? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ita Mai Tai. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Ita Mai Tai), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
You deleted this about a year ago. There's a recent article about him in The Washington Post Magazine that I think warrants it being recreated. @Ser Amantio di Nicolao: What do you guys think? Morgan Ginsberg (talk) 06:14, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
- Normally I'd say so, but BLPREQUESTDELETE (the subject was requesting the article's removal) and the fact it's just one source (per WP:GNG
There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected.
emphasis mine) are non-negligible counterarguments. I am on the fence. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:45, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
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23:11, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
DYK for Salton Buttes
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your assistance please...
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You closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Desmond Cole.
Would you please graft the first revisions of Desmond Cole to User:Geo Swan/Desmond Cole? Geo Swan (talk) 04:01, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
- They are an almost verbatim copypaste from https://web.archive.org/web/20071123211946/http://www.desmondcole.to:80/bio.htm, which raises some copyright concerns. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 06:01, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
- archive.org says it is unavailable, right now. But there is something odd about the URL you offered https://web.archive.org/web/20071123211946/http://www.desmondcole.to:80/bio.htm. The first eight digits in a webarchive url contain the year, month, day that particular archive was stored. I looked at the snapshot at the deletionpedia. It certainly hadn't stopped being worked on in 2007.
- What do you think the explanation for this is? Geo Swan (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
- Someone copypasted from the now-archived website into the Wikipedia article, presumably. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:23, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
- Hmmm. Are you sure? How could a site, archived in 2007, have contained topical references to 2016 and 2017? Geo Swan (talk) 14:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
- I am not seeing any such references on the archived page? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
- Someone copypasted from the now-archived website into the Wikipedia article, presumably. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:23, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
- What do you think the explanation for this is? Geo Swan (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
- edit conflict
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- The webarchive content is now available, and I used the non-WMF wiki wikialpha to get a diff comparing the material from https://web.archive.org/web/20071123211946/http://www.desmondcole.to:80/bio.htm with the material from http://deletionpedia.org/en/Desmond_Cole.
- If you look at the diff the individual paragraphs from the two different sites not only talk about completely different things, I don't see even a single sentence from 2007 cut and paste into the 2017 article.
- Perhaps the very first version of the deleted version started with a copy from Cole's personal web-page?
- But, when copyrighted material is accidentally, or on purpose, inserted into article space, we don't generally take steps to hide the copyright material from those looking at prior revisions. Generally, we just revert the revision(s) which added copyright material, or replace it with new content that is not a copyright violation. Is it your opinion that the presence of one or more revisions that you think contain copyrighted material justify not restoring revisions that don't contain copyrighted material?
- I can't remember ever seeing an administrator hiding revisions that have been reverted, merely because they contained material that violated copyright.
- So, could you please graft the deleted revisions? Talk page too, if there was one.
- Thanks! Geo Swan (talk) 14:43, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
- OK, I wasn't clear enough. The text of the archived versions is identical to that of the deleted revisions, which are almost identical to each other. While the archive post-dates the deleted revisions the latter existed for no more than 7 minutes and the lack of earlier archived versions does not mean that the text didn't exist before on the desmondcole website. Thus the most likely explanation is that someone copypasted from the website into Wikipedia and only made very slight changes to the text, and there is no indication that the website has a free copyright license. Thus the deleted revisions are most likely a copyright violations and I am not going to restore them, nevermind the poor quality of the text. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:58, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks! Geo Swan (talk) 14:43, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
- I made a request at WP:REFUND. I didn't mention you by name.
- I think your conclusion that there was ever a copyright problem was flawed. I didn't try to explain your conclusion, other than to suggest it was an instance of normal human fallibility. I am also subject to occasional normal human fallibility, we all are. Geo Swan (talk) 16:49, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
- Huh. Seems like we might be talking about different versions ... I'll respond there. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:01, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Wondering about a source for Nevado Sajama
Specifically, whether https://www.weadapt.org/sites/weadapt.org/files/2017/november/memoria_final_mic_sajama_final_2014.pdf would be a good one to use for geological aspects. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:01, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
- Also need to update Ciomadul. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 06:39, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
- HEUREKA! Found it at last. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:41, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Adam Tambellini
Last year, you deleted Adam Tambellini after the page was nominated the page for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adam Tambellini. At the time, Tambellini did not meet WP:NHOCKEY, but he has since played over 200 games in the American Hockey League and therefore now passes WP:NHOCKEY. Can you restore the page? Joeykai (talk) 05:34, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
- Now done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 06:29, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
TFA
Thank you for today's Taapaca, "a volcano in northern Chile, one of the northernmost volcanoes of that country in fact. Taapaca is a holy mountain for local people and was one for the Inka. The volcano was once considered to be extinct but now we know that it had eruptions until about 2300 years ago. The important local town of Putre lies on its slopes and on top of recent volcanic deposits and thus could be in danger from future eruptive activity."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:29, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
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Adding {{information}} to media uploads.
Using https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/18892 to find images that don't have an information block, Currently working through images tagged as PD-USGov . Assistance and review appreciated. Thanks for preiodically reviewing the media needing splits. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:26, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
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- OK, done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:21, 2 November 2018 (UTC)