Kcmastrpc

Revert

Just take it easy with reverting. It's considered rude. tgeorgescu (talk) 22:08, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm well aware of policy surrounding talk page reversions, thanks. Kcmastrpc (talk) 22:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

You are advised to WP:AGF and err for the side of caution. tgeorgescu (talk) 22:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:AAGF; if you think my revert was disruptive, feel free to take it to a noticeboard. Otherwise, if you have something to discuss on the talk page of which the revert occurred, feel free to post something of substance regarding the content vs opening a section, completely out of the blue, that appears to have had no practical purpose other than to make commentary regarding a policy on reliable sources. Kcmastrpc (talk) 22:38, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Not helpful

This - while I am always grateful for other users' moderation, as I said, actual discussion is not bludgeoning. And there's no good reason to effectively support the side of one guy and either his sock or mate who have provoked half my response volume by having a go at me out of the blue. Endorsing the idea that harassing a user for wanting to discuss is okay, is not helpful. Kingsif (talk) 22:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Consider your warning understood, but again, look at the actual comments not just the number. Determine which users are contributing to discussion (that is being positively welcomed by the intended users, natch) and which users are not progressing discussion (while harassing and mischaracterising if not insulting). It doesn’t sit well with me that I am genuinely contributing - and, as said, the users I actually replied to have happily participated - but when some uninvolved user takes issue, I have to just let them attack, stalk and misrepresent me or get in trouble for telling them to piss off? Nobody wants to get involved in off-topic fights about who’s editing better, but it doesn’t sit well that defending oneself isn’t tolerated. Kingsif (talk) 14:30, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the level-headed response. One approach to consider might be to amend your response in a RFC by replying to yourself tagging specific users whose argument you're seeking to discuss. This is similar to how many editors will handle discussions at arbitration, as this has the benefit of keeping their responses within an arbitrary word limit, while also helping the OP gauge how much weight they're adding to a discussion.

It's easy to get carried away and in many cases, WP:BLUDGEON is a real phenomenon where the weight of your arguments are likely to be greatly diminished by the editor who closes the RFC. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Also, you say that having asked users to stop harassing me doesn’t take away their right to participate in discussion. Of course it doesn’t, and you’ll see I haven’t took issue with their other contributions. But when they make comments that do not - and are clearly not intended to - contribute to discussion, but are just to continue harassing me, those comments surely cannot be considered reasonable. Remember I have the right to participate, and there are only off-topic comments because some guy I wasn’t even replying to, decided I shouldn’t. Maybe warn them about that. Kingsif (talk) 14:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Of course you have a right to participate, but keep in mind that if multiple editors are suggesting to WP:DROPTHESTICK it might be a wise course to step back, reevaluate, and involve a third-party via noticeboard if you feel that you're being harassed. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

(To both replies) Look, I feel I’ve been level-headed this whole time except for a reply, that I’ve already acknowledged as ill-judged, pointing out a sockpuppet investigation. In that RfC there are many times other users have spun out discussions from others’ comments, and I truly don’t think anyone would look on my replies even the least bit negatively if not for the fact one (maybe two) users have inexplicably taken issue with (only) me doing so right from the first time I did it (i.e. they couldn’t have pattern/STICK complaints at that point, but still insulted me).

And I really don’t even have a STICK to drop in terms of the actual RfC (separate issue with an uninvolved user painting me the villain before the people I respond to have even had a chance to reply) but it seems clear that any contributions will be met with some non-productive, rudely written, “you’ve replied again” comment. If it’s hostile for me to contribute, how am I supposed to. Kingsif (talk) 14:56, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't have any advice to offer here other than I've learned that replying more than a few different editors in any given RFC has a high probability of drawing the ire of other editors, doubly so when it's a controversial subject. I took particular interest in this RfC because I'm generally opposed to stuffing lead sentences with highly controversial labels, per MOS:LABEL. Sock investigations aside, if a user has a pattern of disruptive behavior there are other remedies vs. clogging up the RFC discussion thread with behavioral arguments (not saying this happened here, because I'm mostly concerned with the volume of responses you've made vs. the content) and that's something I'd almost certainly take the time to more closely examine before deciding to take anyone to a noticeboard. Would it be OK if we close this discussion up? I have to get back to work. :) Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)