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DYK for Hi-Level

Harrias ^talk 17:21, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

GO Transit image

Hi there. Just wanted to thank you for your image of an early GO Train on the GO Transit article. It's a fantastic addition! --Natural R_X 21:04, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

• You're most welcome; for my part I was delighted to find it. Mackensen (talk) 21:12, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
• Do you know that it is a duplicate of an earlier upload of mine? You must have noticed that I tagged it appropriately, since you have added more categories to my version. Secondarywaltz (talk) 21:27, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

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Kalamazoo, Michigan

I just thought you Throw out the baby with the bath water. But its fixed now. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:41, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

• Understood, it just seemed a mess and a straight undo was easier. I still don't think it's especially necessary to identify the Kal-Haven as a rail trail in the summary. Mackensen (talk) 02:46, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm on board with you. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:17, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

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Map in Amtrak Cascades article

Hi, I see you removed PNG route map after I added KML map. I would like to promote KML maps and I try to include it to all articles with Amtrak routes but for several reasons I think that plain image also has to be included:

• KML does not include stations
• It is not possible to display route on top of base OSM layer
• KML map is not usable on mobile devices (take a look to mobile version of article - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak_Cascades)
• Also users of older browsers will not have chance to see the map
• Last but no least - unfortunately almosts anyone from casual wikipedia readers is aware that clicking on small globe in beginning of article will display him usable map.

My actions to include KML are educational to promote this method, but currently it is not very often used by readers.

Can you reinclude image again? If you think that it is too big make thumbnail smaller. Thanks.

--Jkan997 (talk) 23:00, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

• I've thought about this and I'm not inclined to reverse myself. Here's why:
  • The KML does appear to include stations, at least when I view it on Google Maps. I see no qualitative difference between the KML and the PNG in that regard.
  • While the KML isn't usable on a mobile device, the PNG isn't all that great on mobile either. Further, the route listing with actual station links is prominent in the mobile view. I would think that's more useful to someone that an image or KML which, either way, is something of a dead end.
  • I'm not sure what your comment about older browsers refers to. The edge case of someone who cannot browse Google Maps must be an incredibly small one.
• In short, I think the addition of the KML is far more valuable of the PNG map and represents a real improvement. I hope you'll continue on them and I see them as a valuable addition, especially because they don't take up a lot of article space. Please let me know if I've misunderstood something. Best, Mackensen (talk) 23:22, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

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Benjamin Disraeli

I imagine it hasn't escaped your notice that User:Wehwalt and I have been labouring in this particular vineyard recently. We have a joint ambition to get it up to Featured Article level. I am conscious that practically all the hard work on this article over the past decade has been yours, and this note is really just to ask you shout out loudly if you disagree with any of our additions and alterations. On the FA front, I have 20 to my name (jointly or severally) and Wehwalt has so many he may well have lost count. I hope you will regard our changes as improvements. Best wishes – Tim riley (talk) 11:50, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

• I appreciate your taking the time to drop by though you certainly didn't need to. I've watched the growth of the article with great interest and I'm delighted that the two of you are taking it to FA; something I never had the time or energy to do. Best, Mackensen (talk) 22:38, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Good. Very pleased indeed that you don't disapprove. Best wishes. Tim riley (talk) 12:49, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

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Precious

trains
Thank you, pioneer of Wikipedia with an "abiding love for the idea of open encyclopedia edited by everyone", for quality articles on trains, such as Pennsylvanian and Hi-Level, for offering high-level arbitration, for countering vandalism and uploading peaceful pictures, for overcoming the moment in which you "ask just why", - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (22 September 2007, 6 January 2009)!

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"Come, walk with me", says the beautiful poem you received in 2007. It's one of these "moments" for me, did you know? (The other was in 2011.) Walk where? Go on strike? That would be exactly what some would love. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:30, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Continued...

Thanks for the thoughtful answers. I'll separate two portions, the general and the specific one.

On the general side of things, since I've stopped most of my activity, only glancing mostly at arb cases and the drama boards when time permitted, I've been increasingly bugged by arbcom proceedings. Indeed, mob rule and pressure of the loudest is among the issues. In many cases, inconsistent decisions are also irritating - to my mind, there should never be a FoF that isn't grounded in a stated principle, and there should not be any remedies not addressing a supporting FoF.

In many cases, I think the ideal outcome should be that even if sanctioned parties are obviously not going to agree with the result, they should at least walk away with having had a fair hearing. This is rarely achieved, and the fact that arbcom pages are among the places de-facto exempt of most of the civility and decorum pages doesn't help

Some among the recent crop of drafting arbs have taken a more active role during both the evidence and workshop stages, asking questions and workshopping portions of the PD. I don't think this goes far enough - a better procedure would be for the drafting arbs to actively conduct fact-finding, first limited to parties only, then opened to the broader public if they feel they are missing input. Then move directly to propose relevant principles and FoF, submit these to a vote, and only once these are passed, should remedies be drafted. Of course, our natural dislike would prevent this from happening, but I gather that aside the voting portion, this might actually both speed up proceedings while limiting the effect of the ever-increasing baggage of accumulated grudges that some groups of editors have carried for half a decade or more now. But one can always dream.

On the specific side, I'm not suggesting that Andy must be banned for being brought before the committee for a third time (although I can think of at least one case last year where the inconsistency between FoF and remedies appeared to ban a prolific bot editor just for that). The problem I see is that there is in fact a continued pattern that stretches all the way back to these old cases where nothing has really changed - that Andy is simply unable to accept any viewpoint opposite to his, to even consider and entertain that those who disagree with him might have a point sometimes, and to take heed of the feedback he is being given.

This is apparent in the MOS:INFOBOX discussions, for instance this Spring. The whole affair about Jim Hawkins (radio presenter) last year is another point in case - grasping at twitter to insist, over multiple years, that this BLP's date of birth be mentioned in the article, to the annoyance of the subject and to the point that the BLP would call for vandalizing wikipedia in retaliation. When the whole matter came to a head in 2012, he was blocked, and ANI was discussing a topic ban. He was then unblocked under the assumption that the topic ban would pass, and failing that, that he would voluntarily refrain from further editing that BLP (which he implied he would). ANI failed to gain consensus (From the way I recall it, too many opposed because the BLP's own sub-optimal behaviour, pretty much in the same manner many circled the wagons around Qworty's revenge editing of Amanda Filipacci's BLP earlier this year before he was outed). Here's what he wrote about this in this arbitration proceeding: "Likewise, I repast my invitation to them to review the Hawkins case, which polarised both editors and admins, but where it was again decided that there was to be no sanction against me". No consensus doesn't mean no sanction. Finally, on ANI in June this year, he filed a complaint (it's linked in the main case page in the big yellow box) about alleged stalking and dragged this on over 20 days. No matter how many uninvolved people offered feedback and comments, he rejected and dismissed out of hand any hint that wasn't 100% aligned with his wordview. Nothing registered. And this is really the heart of the matter. It's the "I didn't hear that" attitude and the endless grinding and revisiting of the same old grudges over and over that formed my opinion that the issues are, essentially, the very same that go back for a decade.

Because someone who knows how to take feedback even when disagreeing should really have learned that one of the simple things he could have done since 2007 to avoid causing further strife is to stay the heck away from classical music. Regardless of what goes on over there.

TL;DR of course, but both topics weren't anything that could be addressed more concisely without a firmer graps of the English language, I'm afraid. MLauba ^(Talk) 00:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

References

Thanks for your message. Yes, the citation templates are useful, aren't they? I'm a little surprised they aren't used more widely on Wikipedia. Perhaps that's because they are so little used that few editors know much about them. I think they're particularly useful for encyclopedic sources that can be used as reference material for multiple articles, eg this reference book about cruise ships, so I think I might just "be bold" and start spreading them about a bit more. Bahnfrend (talk) 02:22, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

• I don't know that I'd ever seen one in ten years. Particularly with passenger trains I think there are about twenty books that I refer to constantly, so I'm going to start standardizing those too. Mackensen (talk) 02:24, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Expo '74 (train)

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Article Feedback Tool update

Hey Mackensen. I'm contacting you because you're involved in the Article Feedback Tool in some way, either as a previous newsletter recipient or as an active user of the system. As you might have heard, a user recently anonymously disabled the feedback tool on 2,000 pages. We were unable to track or prevent this due to the lack of logging feature in AFT5. We're deeply sorry for this, as we know that quite a few users found the software very useful, and were using it on their articles.

We've now re-released the software, with the addition of a logging feature and restrictions on the ability to disable. Obviously, we're not going to automatically re-enable it on each article—we don't want to create a situation where it was enabled by users who have now moved on, and feedback would sit there unattended—but if you're interested in enabling it for your articles, it's pretty simple to do. Just go to the article you want to enable it on, click the "request feedback" link in the toolbox in the sidebar, and AFT5 will be enabled for that article.

Again, we're very sorry about this issue; hopefully it'll be smooth sailing after this :). If you have any questions, just drop them at the talkpage. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) 22:09, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

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Disraeli again

Wehwalt and I have put the Benjamin Disraeli article up for peer review, here. If you have time and inclination, do please look in. Tim riley (talk) 15:16, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history coordinator election

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DYK for Peninsula 400

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Dizzy part three

Well, we've got the old boy promoted to Featured Article. Having the solid structure of the article that you built was a great help, and this is say Thank You for your benevolent support at PR. I am rather glad to see that you remain the editor who has made the most edits to the article. Tim riley (talk) 12:48, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

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Tesoros book

I have the book in question and I can send you a photo of the info pages if you like. I agree the number associated is very odd and in fact the book calls it and ISBN, though its not. It was put together by the Salon and the government of Mexico City, with sponsorship by the Consejo Nacional para la Cultura y las Artes and the Instituto Nacional de Bellas Artes.Thelmadatter (talk) 14:34, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

• That would be perfect, thank you! Mackensen (talk) 14:46, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

TemplateData

Hi thanks for adding the TemplateData to a various book source templates like {{Reynolds-BO}}. Note that you need to do a null edit to the main template page to get the system to recognise the data. I've done the necessary null edits.--User:Salix alba (talk): 07:08, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks! Mackensen (talk) 14:11, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Super Dome (railcar)

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DYK for Beaver Tail (railcar)

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Beaver Tail

Hi Mackensen,

I apologize for having caused you problems with this page move; I will attempt to be more careful with page moves in the future when they are relevant to the main page. I believe that the article should remain at Beaver Tail (American railcar) because there are no primary topics for parenthetically disambiguated article titles, and the British railcar is discussed on The Coronation (train). If you believe that the article should be moved back, you are welcome to initiate a move discussion. I would be grateful if you would let me know if you follow that route.

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Page Deletion

Hello Mate, Thanks for deleting the page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shivansh_ajmani I needed to know, can you completely delete it, I mean, could you please take my name off it (The username/page title)? It's the first search result that pops up on my name, and I really had been harassed due to it. If you could remove my name, or completely eradicate that page for wikipedia database, I'd be glad.

Thanks for deleting the content though, and thanks for understanding. I'd be glad if you could do that.

Spidersooper (talk) 17:06, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

• Hi there. You can get a username changed at Wikipedia:Changing username. Best, Mackensen (talk) 20:27, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Miguel Borja

Usually when I see a BLP page I've tagged on NPP has had that removed with no sources added, I just revert that and go on. As you are a highly-experienced editor, however, I am not going to attach Twinkle warning templates to the talk page of an editor that has a better handle on things than I do. I can see that I should have not put CSD on the page because there is a claim that he had played in a top-end national football league. That leaves an article that barely even qualifies as a stub. What would you suggest should I have done to bring more attention to this page? Thanks in advance for the help. --Eggishorn (talk) 17:37, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

• @Eggishorn: well, that's exactly it. My understanding of the notability guidelines is that a top-tier footballer is presumptively notable, and that's why I reverted the speedy. I would expect the article to grow if that's the case: he'll be in matches and he'll attract more coverage. That being said it is the barest of stubs. It might be reasonable to subject the article to full debate at AfD; I've tagged the article with the football project banner so such a debate ought to pull in regulars have a better sense of whether he's truly notable or not. Best, Mackensen (talk) 20:31, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again. Eggishorn (talk) 21:55, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Trout

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

Hi. I put up Template:Latest preview software release/Microsoft Office 2007 for speedy deletion exactly because it is forcefully transcluded in the article. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 22:59, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

• @Codename Lisa: duly noted, and a null edit cleared the transclusion after I deleted it. Odd template. Been a while since I got trouted ;). Mackensen (talk) 23:14, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Re: Strange deletions

Let me explain, one of the users here mentioned to me that the easiest way to save a space on a server is by edit the article less. Therefore, I removed the previous edits and reinstate it with the up-to-date one. I will be very angry if its not O.K. to do, because it goes under ignore all the rules and G7.--Mishae (talk) 03:48, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

• I can't imagine who told you that, but it's absolutely false. All deletion revisions are saved in the database, but so is the act of deletion. So what you're doing does in fact take up even more space than before. What you're doing also leads to broken edit history, which is absolutely not okay because it removes the work done by others, as well as the history of the page. See Wikipedia:Copyrights. Please don't do that again because it makes a lot of work for everyone. Thanks, Mackensen (talk) 03:56, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Those articles I wrote with some help of other editors, and now would like to delete them and reinstate them, and I see no problem here. If don't want to do the work, then I will ask a different admin the one that cares about me, and not about someone's edit! When it comes to article creation people delete my articles, but when I want to delete and reinstate mine, its an issue! And who told me it, Ryan Vesey did.--Mishae (talk) 04:13, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
    • I've pinged @Ryan Vesey: (whom I've encountered before) and asked him to drop in. Let me just say that I find what you're doing unacceptable and I intend to bring it to the attention of a wider audience. Mackensen (talk) 04:19, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
      • You want a circus? You got it! I personally don't understand why you need to drag me into this mess. Next time, I wont say a word to anyone!--Mishae (talk) 04:53, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Skytop Lounge

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American railway station names

I agree with you that these station articles would probably be better served by using a standard naming convention and possible removal of the operating agency suffix. I am addressing you directly on this subject because other discussions we might be involved in are specifically about those articles. As you have noted, the problem would be fighting the entrenched attitude of most of the editors of the articles involved in any proposed change. Sometimes I wonder if we would achieve anything substantial by this, other than pissing of a lot of people. If you are brave enough to take this on, I will give you more detailed feedback and support. Secondarywaltz (talk) 19:27, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

• It's a perpetual annoyance but you're absolutely right about the costs involved. I need to flesh out a proposal before I do anything, and I've got a cold right now so there's no way I'm taking it on until I'm healthy again. If you're curious there's an incomplete proposal at User:Mackensen/Naming conventions (US stations). Best, Mackensen (talk) 19:31, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Pleasure Dome (railcar)

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Halloweentown 5:The Return of Kalabar

Just restored by a new account after your deletion. Nate • (chatter) 01:44, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks for heads-up. It's protected against recreation now. Mackensen (talk) 01:50, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Chessie

They made more than that, believe it or not. One postcard has a drawing of the train's family room, but we can't use it because it includes drawings of Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse. :( My Dad was a big train buff and we always took the train for vacations, so I was lucky enough to ride the original California Zephyr. We hope (talk) 19:18, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Big Dome

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DYK for Chessie (train)‎

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DYK for Chesapeake and Ohio class M1

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Books and Bytes

Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013

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Green Diamond infobox

That breakline I added to the Green Diamond article kept the infobox from being stretched out too wide. I just thought you should know this. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 20:44, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

• Strange; it makes no difference whatsoever for me. It did however result in the caption being on four lines instead of three, with lots of added whitespace. I don't think that's an improvement. Mackensen (talk) 20:48, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
  • I didn't see any whitespace at all when I moved it. If I had, I wouldn't think of that as an improvement either. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 21:22, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

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RFC on infoboxes

Good day. I am thinking about filing an well publicized RfC on infoboxes per the ArbCom's recommendation when the infobox case was closed back in September (in the midst of my two month retirement). I was mostly uninvolved and had no sanctions placed on me, but added some evidence to that case. Do you have any ideas of thoughts about this matter? Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:44, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

I do, but I don't know how helpful they'll be. Infoboxes were practically a bystander in their own arbitration case, which revolved around user conduct. I don't tend to see infoboxes (which, after all, are just templates with fancy styling) in themselves as all that divisive. It comes down to how you want to present information, and whether local consensus can trump project consensus. Arbcom didn't really grapple with that issue and I think they missed an opportunity.

If you do an RFC you need to consider that question; otherwise what is the RFC for? Projects that use infoboxes use infoboxes. Some don't. An RFC which either tried to impose them on those which don't want them or conversely tried to remove them from projects which did want them would probably be considered invalid.

Arbcom punted the case when it cast it in terms of a project-wide dispute, when it was really more of a localized issue involving about three wikiprojects with overlapping editors (and, of course, Andy on the outside). Given that, they naturally want a project-wide resolution, ignoring that fact that this isn't a present controversy in most of the project.

Crafting a binding content guideline regarding templates sounds like the source of endless controversy and I'm unconvinced that it's a wise use of anyone's time. Of course, as I've said above, I saw the case as a user-conduct issue. I'd be interested in hear from @Newyorkbrad on this question since he proposed the remedy and may have had a potential scope in mind. Mackensen (talk) 13:19, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

'tis the season

I don't think a project-wide dispute is needed, because for most of the project infoboxes are not contentious. I see a few editors in a few projects who are against them, and most of these are perfectly approachable when you address them personally. The word "infobox" raises emotions in some otherwise reasonable people that I fail to understand. For that failure I was admonished and restricted and probably deserve it. No diff of misconduct was provided, or did I miss something?

I understand that Wikipedia is not a democracy, but has it to be so far from one that the same arbs who didn't understand you in the case are the ones you have to appeal? - I didn't appeal, but others asked for clarification. The result was that grass is green, a closing statement that has nothing to do with the questions.

Brianboulton set out to look for a different name and came up with the compromise idea of an identibox, used on an opera (l'Arianna) and a composer.(Percy Grainger). It's a myth that project classical music is against infoboxes. There are orchestras and compositions with infoboxes, even some performers and composers.

Do you think there's a valid reason that Wilfred Byng Kenrick can't have an infobox? Did you know ... that the song "Ermutigung" by Wolf Biermann, encouraging people not to become hardened in hard times, was written for Peter Huchel, then under house arrest? - on the Main page today ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Ozark State Zephyr

The DYK project (nominate) 16:28, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Green Diamond

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DYK for Green Diamond

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:48, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Pan-American (train)

The DYK project (nominate) 08:48, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Pine-series (railcar)

The DYK project (nominate) 08:48, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Nice to share a DYK set with your double ;) - I nominated a 20th century martyr. - Thank you for stressing the importance of writing articles, - I am proud of this one (illustrated with a woman who can't grasp what she sees), dedicated to a missed friend, - it will grow, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Grumble

Re User_talk:Newyorkbrad/Archive/2013/Oct#Grumble ... you running or what? File here: Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2013/Candidates. ( I don't know how it was during your prior term but now I can promise you long hours, crappy pay, and a stream of abuse ranging from disgruntled to paranoid and/or hysterical. ) NE Ent 15:14, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

• That's how it was in the bad old days, and I'm still weighing whether I want to throw my sanity and good humor away again. Mackensen (talk) 15:21, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

• You will have to choose between the sanity of your self and that of the project ;) - You would probably not have accepted the infoboxes case as a minor dispute, right? - I promise to do what I can too keep your good humor, and NE Ent did his share already (linked from "peace" "nobis" on top of my user), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:48, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

All Aboard

Hello Mackensen. I reviewed one (two?) of your DYK noms, and have a couple of questions. Template:Did you know nominations/City of Denver (train). Other than those questions all is well. Regards, Kablammo (talk) 21:53, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Astra Dome

The DYK project (nominate) 00:05, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you so much for all of the wonderful content you have contributed to Wikipedia on various railroad-related topics, many of which weren't previously covered before you wrote about them. Please accept this barnstar as a small token of my appreciation. From one railfan to another, I really appreciate it. Thanks again! Michael Barera (talk) 01:13, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Help Desk request

I noted your contributions to Template talk:S-line.[1] Would you mind replying at Help Desk Delinking specific part inside a template (that is otherwise normally to be linked).[2] The user is having trouble getting Template:Infobox station to display as desired using Template:S-line. Thanks. -- Jreferee (talk) 13:30, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

• Sorted. Thanks for the heads up! Mackensen (talk) 13:38, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks for the expert help! -- Jreferee (talk) 13:44, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi, just thought I should thank you for your help :) I see it's all working now. I wasn't aware that it got the station names from {{DSB stations}} Cake~talk 13:52, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Non-review

Hey Mackensen,

Sorry for your non-review on Hiawatha. If no one picks it up in the next week or two, ping me and I'll take it myself. Thanks for your work on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:27, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks your quick assistance, I really do appreciate it. Mackensen (talk) 16:59, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Blue Bird (train)

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Strata-Dome

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:04, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for City of Denver (train)

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Pacific series (railcar)

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

November 2013

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North Coast Hiawatha

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As a side note, from your user page, you seem like you've got some serious Wikipedia chops. Have you ever thought about going after the train main article? It looks like it'd win you at least some level of the Million Award. Cheers, and thanks again -- Khazar2 (talk) 16:42, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

I have to admit that I haven't. For whatever reason, I like working in a smaller scale, as it were. Hence North Coast Hiawatha or Hi-Level (which started a long run of rolling stock DYKs). I'm not sure I know enough about trains in other countries to really make a go of it.

Thanks, by the way, for stepping in with the review. I really do appreciate it. Mackensen (talk) 16:55, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a good point; books on individual train systems are easy enough to come by, but I don't know if a global history of trains has even been written.

And my pleasure. This one required very little work as a reviewer and I hope you'll give us more like it soon! -- Khazar2 (talk) 17:47, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

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November 2013 GA Thanks

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DYK for Gulf Coast Rebel

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