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Image deletion

== Image deletion ==

BrightsForever (talk) 07:23, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Do you have a question about "image deletion"? Did you post a question as an IP account and then remove it? If this is related to the files being used in Vachirawit Chivaaree that I tagged for speedy deltion, then please read the notification templates I added to your user talk page. Wikipedia's non-free content use policy is quite restrictive as explained WP:NFC#Background and non-free images of still living persons are almost never allowed per non-free content use criterion #1 and item 1 of WP:NFC#UUI. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:30, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

the image screenshot as per guidelines added with proper explanations in the template of fair-use. Where it is clearly mentioned pictures are only for visual purpose or as per description in the box above. Visual used for the representation of the artist article BrightsForever (talk) 07:30, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia's non-free content use policy is much more restrictive than fair use as explained here and here. Each use of non-free content needs to satisfy the ten non-free content use criteria listed here and many of your uploads fail a number of those criteria. However, if you disagree with this assessment, please follow the instructions given in the templates I added to each file's page and use Template:di-replaceable non-free use disputed to explain why. A Wikipedia administrator will review the reasons why the files were nominated for deletion and also review your reasons why you think they shouldn't be deleted. The reviewing administrator will then decide whether the files should be deleted, kept or discussed further. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:37, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for prompt reply. Marchjuly - every Wikipedia page of the artist living picture. there is multiple option on the page whether it a screenshot or from video within the template. If not this template,then which non-fair use template to be used? If you see the history - the main picture was previously accepted by senior admins. Not understanding why differ admins as different parameters. BrightsForever (talk) 07:37, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

I did mentioned that the resolution of the picture is reduced hence it is non usable outside this forum, non violating the misuse of the image. BrightsForever (talk) 07:41, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

thanks again. It is for Fair Use purpose Only. If there is different template do let me know. However the description is provided in the tabs applicable in the template BrightsForever (talk) 07:43, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Non-free images of still living people are pretty much never allowed to be used as explained in WP:FREER and item 1 of WP:NFC#UUI. This is because it's almost always considered reasonable for a free equivalent image to either being created or found that could serve the same encyclopedic purpose of any non-free one. The applies to all images of living persons. The files you uploaded were not "accepted" by any senior admins; there is no such thing as a "senior admin" on Wikipedia. It's possible that the files were edited by other editors or even WP:BOTs, but that's not the same as being "accepted". Files aren't pre-approved or otherwise vetted prior to being uploaded; so, sometimes files are uploaded that really shouldn't be uploaded. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:48, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Question from 489wiki on User:489wiki/sandbox (18:09, 12 March 2023)

Hello, how do I make my page public? Also, how do I change the Title from 489wiki to 489th Civil Affairs Battalion? --489wiki (talk) 18:09, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi 489wiki. It seems you've already figure this out, but you should also notice that there are issues with the article you created that probably need to be addressed. These issues are listed at the very top of the article in the form of maintenance templates. My suggestion to you would be to ask for assistance at Wikipedia: WikiProject Military History because that's where you're going to likely find users who have experience in these types of articles. You can post a message on the article's talk page asking for help.

In addition, you might want to take a close look at c:Commons:Licensing and c:Commons:Own work because File:489TH CA BN Colors.jpg doesn't really seem like your "own work" based on the watermark to usmilitary.direct.com seen in the image. The expression "own work" has a very specific meaning when it comes to copyright law and file's uploaded to Commons, and you can't claim something that isn't 100% you creative work as your "own work"; in other words, finding an image online and then downloading it to your computer doesn't make it your "own work".

Lastly, your choice of user name might be a problem per WP:PROMONAME and WP:ISU. In addition, if you're somehow personally or professionally connected to the 489th Civil Affairs Battalion, you might also be considered to have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. I will add some more information about these things to your user talk page for reference. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:09, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello 489wiki Do you have a Army Lineage and Honors for the 49th CA Bn available? The period from 489 MG Company to 489 CA Bn is not clear at all. Do you have any deployment history for 489 CA Bn available prior to JUST CAUSE in Panama? Buckshot06 (talk) 08:42, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Buckshot06 and 489wiki: I think any further discussion about this article should take place on the article's talk page than here. Doing so will make it easier for others to participate as well as make it easier to keep a record of the discussion for future reference. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks & citation Shusuke Kaneko

Thanks for editing the article on Bright. FYI only - Citation of Shusuke Kaneko - already added in quote section. BrightsForever (talk) 16:41, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

@BrightsForever: In cases where a citation is being used for different content the same article, it's often a good idea to use WP:REFNAME to avoid confusion. Particularly, when the content is related to third-party claims or quoted text, the citation should be used as many times as needed. In addition, many of the sources cited in the article are non-English. This is OK as long as the sources meet WP:NONENGLISH. However, non-English sources can be confusing to the reader, particularly when the original langiage of the source isn't romanized. In such cases, it's often helpful to use the parameters |script-title=, |title= and |trans-title= and maybe even |quote= to make the citation a bit easier to understand for those who understand only English. You can find out more about these parameters and some examples of them being used in the documetation for Template:Cite web#Parameters. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:18, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Sure. Thanks. Will explore. However could you please guide me how to upload article related artist fair use pictures. This page now as no picture of the artist. BrightsForever (talk) 08:07, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

As I think I pointed out before on your user talk page, Wikipedia's non-free content use policy has been intentionally set up to be much more restrictive than fair use and, as a result. non-free images of persons who are still living on almost never allowed. This particularly true for persons like actors, musicians or others whose career is basically appearing in public. Wikipedia article's aren't required to have pictures of there subjects; it's nice for sure, but it's not required. This is just a true for biography articles. The best you can do is to keep searching online and hope that someone who has taken a photo of these artists has uploaded under a free license that Wikipedia accepts. The other alternative would be to take such a photo yourself, and upload it under such a license. You can also try contacting people who have taken a photo of these artists and asking them to release it or another one under a free license that Wikipedia accepts. There are some examples at how to do this in WP:PERMISSION. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:19, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

This helps. Thanks for breaking down the details. I appreciate your time and efforts BrightsForever (talk) 13:57, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Al McCoy image

Hello, I am curious about the image deletion that occurred on page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_McCoy_(announcer).

In accordance with Wikipedia policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_content_criteria#Policy, the previous use of both images satisfied all ten criteria listed.

The crux of the images integration into the aforementioned "Al McCoy (announcer)" article was to illustrate the change in broadcast locations over the course of time as routinely referenced in the body of the article, not to merely show the subject where free equivalents are already available. The images existed as visual proof/evidence in a context where merely words and description without visual proof could be interpreted as unsubstantiated allegations or hearsay against the "Phoenix Suns" organization. Without the images, the central focus of the article and its subsections are unsubstantiated.

Likewise, there are virtually no free equivalents in existence that display the change in broadcast locations, as the location change was recent and "Al McCoy (announcer)" has called in sick for many games since the location change (likely due to the location change), preventing opportunity to create a hypothetical free equivalent. One of the images was one of two examples of the location change in existence, both examples non-free.

With direct reference to Wikipedia criteria #8, omission of these images significantly decreases reader understanding of the location change and undermines any rationale for why the location change is a significant event worth noting in the context of "Al McCoy (announcer). In the grander scheme of fair use and purpose, the use of these specific images and this specific Wikipedia entry raise academic/scholarly awareness of a significant event that is not covered by other media or publications. Omission of these examples that illustrate the article's content undermines the purpose and content of said "Al McCoy (announcer)" article.

Without these images to illustrate central content of the article, there exists no major publication covering this event, which will likely directly lead to retirement of article subject in a matter of months undermining the question of "why". With these images present, the article acts as a public service to perhaps raise awareness to the community to perhaps change the likelihood that "Al McCoy (announcer)" will retire due to change in location. ~~~~. Arc-solitaire (talk) 15:19, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Arc-solitaire: I did tag the file for speedy deletion, but I didn't actually delete it. Only a Wikipedia administrator is able to delete/undelete files and I'm not a Wikipedia administrator. So, even if I agreed with your assessment above (which I don't), I'm technically unable to restore the file. Files, in general, can be proposed, tagged or otherwise nominated for deletion by any user in good standing, but there's always a final administrator review before anything ends up deleted. Most of the administrators working with files are quite experienced when it comes to relevant Wikipedia policies like Wikipedia's non-free content use polcy and they have been known to decline a deletion request when they feel discussion is necessary. Since that's not what happened in this case, I'm assuming the administrator who reveiwed the file agreed with my assessment of it's non-free use and felt the file should be deleted. You can, of course, seek further clarification of this from the administrator themselves as explained in WP:CLOSECHALLENGE by posting a message on their user talk page. If you click on File:Suns Radio Network, Footprint Center, New Home Broadcast Location, Oct. 2022.jpeg which seems to be the file you're asking about above, you'll find that the administrator who deleted the file is named Explicit.

For reference, Wikipedia's non-free content use policy has been intentionally set up to be more restrictive than fair use as explained here. Lots of content which might be OK from a general fair use standpoint could probably be added to Wikipedia articles, but that's not the standard that needs to be met. Nothing that you posted above really changes my assessment of how the file was being used in that article. A non-free image doesn't really need to be seen by the reader to understand any of the controversy or concerns expressed by the change in broadcast location; such things can be more than sufficiently understood (at least in my opinion) by text supported by citations reliable sources. Images aren't used for "verification" purposes or to "substantiate" article content; they can sometimes used to support corresponding properly sourced article content, but not as the sole means of verifying such content. If text related to the change in broadcast locations is not properly supported by citations to reliable sources, then it probably should be removed per WP:BURDEN and WP:NOR since those are more serous problems regarding it that are unrelated to image use. Even if an image would be helpful in supporting the points you make (I don't think it would), there's no need to use the particular one that you uploaded to do so unless that particular image itself somehow became the subject of sourced critical commentary in reliable sources (preferably more than one). It seems quite possible that someone (perhaps a fan) standing nearby the broadcast location could take their own photo (either before, during or after a game) and release it under a free license that Wikipedia accepts. Such an image could show pretty much the same thing as the one you uploaded and reasonably serve the same encyclopedic purpose as any non-free one. Once again, though, this was (still is) just my assessment on the file and its non-free use; as I posted above, you can seek further clarification from the administrator who deleted the file. You can also ask about it at WT:NFCC or WP:MCQ as well. Deleted files aren't gone forever, but rather they're only hidden from public view. Wikipedia administrators can still "see" a deleted file so to speak, and many administrators respond to queries at WT:NFCC or WP:MCQ. It's probably a good idea as a courtesy though to discuss your concerns with the administrator who deleted the file first, but you can try those other two pages to seek assitance if the deleting administrator fails to respond to your post in a reasonable amount of time. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:51, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello! Friend of Yunshui

I am looking for help to get a Wiki page up on information about me and some of my companies. Would you be willing to help? Ty Xavier Martin (talk) 20:19, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ty Xavier Martin: My first suggestion to you would be to read Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:Ownership of content and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing for some general information about Wikipedia. Whether a Wikipedia article can be created about either you or your companies is mainly going to depend upon whether you or your companies are considered to be Wikipedia:Notable If they are, then articles can possibly be written; if they aren't, the lack of notability is too great to overcome. You will need to try to step outside yourself and neutrally assess your notability per Wikipedia:Notability (people) and your companies' notability per Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies).

If do some self-assessing and decide that you or your companies are Wikipedia notable, you will then need decide if Wikipedia is really suited for your intended purpose. If your purposes don't mesh with Wikipedia's purposes, you're going to quickly find yourself having problems. So, if you decide your pruposes are the same as Wikipedia's, yYou can start a Wikipedia:Draft and then submit it to Wikipedia:Articles for creation for review. Before doing so, you should first take a look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure first because these pages include important information related to your circumstances. Even if you're able to create a Wikipedia article about yourself or one of your companies, you will pretty much have zero editorial control over its content and you won't be able to control who edits the article. Edits made to such articles will be assessed in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Furthermore, due to your connection to the subject matter, you will be expected to not directly edit any such article yourself, but instead be expected to propose changes on the article's talk page by making Wikipedia:Edit requests. These requests will be assessed by others to determine whether they should be made.

Finally, it appears that you've already tried to create an article, but that it's been deleted. Maybe instead of immediately trying to create articles about yourself or your companies, it would be better for you to try editing other articles first so that you can see how Wikipedia's various policies and guidelines are applied by others and how edits are assessed. Try taking a look at Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia and Wikipedia:Instructional material for some ideas on how to edit Wikipedia. As you become more familiar with how Wikipedia works, you might find it easier to then create a draft about either you or your company which is unlikely going to end up being quickly deleted. There's nothing wrong with making mistakes on Wikipedia and everyone does; user who keep making the same mistakes over and over again, however, start finding themselves having problems with others. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:07, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Michael O'Connell (artist)

Hello Marchjuly, the footnoting used in Michael O'Connell (artist) is giving me strife and I am afraid I have misformatted them. A format that is more straightforward would be helpful (at least for me) on an article that is being quite frequently edited by several. I am hoping you may be able to help, if not—please direct me to someone who might. The article relies heavily on one source (Edquist), but there are ample newspaper articles and other sources I'd like to include that are more informative. Thank you Jamesmcardle^(talk) 03:09, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@Jamesmcardle: Probably the best place to ask for help with something like this would be on the article's talk page. Generally, users are expected to adhere to the citation style chosen by the article's creator or primary contributer per WP:CITEVAR, and switching to an entirely different style using should only be done after a clear consensus to do so has been established on the article's talk page. People can get really upset if you try to be too WP:BOLD when it comes to something like an article's citation style; so, I suggest a more WP:CAUTIOUS approach be taken.

As for the citation style being used in that article, it looks like it's primarily a WP:SRF style; this is tricky for sure, but it does have some advantages over some other styles. Bascially, there are three elements associated with each citation: (1) a source listed in a "Sources" section, (2) a footnote in the "References" section linking to the source and (3) a inline footnote marker linking to the footnote. Instead of adding a full citation inline in the body of the article, you add it to the "Sources" section and then use links to connect the footnotes and footnote markers to it. Once you figure out how it done for one citation, it's usually fairly easy to do for other citations. Just pick out a random citation in the article and try to look at the code in the editing window to see how it's done. Sometimes it can be helpful to practice doing this in your user sandbox to see how everything works before actually trying to do so in the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:21, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt and helpful reply. I would hate to have messed up another editor's efforts in footnoting, so will make very effort to learn the coding. Jamesmcardle^(talk) 07:34, 14 March 2023 (UTC)