User talk:Midnightblueowl/Archive 3

Flag of Chinese Soviet Republic

Flag of Chinese Worker and Peasants Red Army

Hello and nice to meet you. Regarding of the national flag of the Chinese Soviet Republic, I doubt the historical accuracy of the hammer and axe flag. This has been a long discussion about the flag until we found the official source from the website of CCP. The law in 1934 and more information can be seen at commons:File talk:National_Flag_of_Chinese_Soviet_Republic.svg. The image is based on [1]. Basically the previous flag is based on the army flag of Chinese Worker and Peasants' Red Army, which the designation of military unit usually wrote on the left in a white stripe. It's a tradition for Chinese Army to write there unit names on flags like that (the NRA also kept this tradition), but it is unusual to use it on a national flag.

-- Ericmetro (talk) 13:16, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Sorry that I forget to mention the article with the flag. : ) I suggest we could use File:中國工農紅軍軍旗.svg (with the description of "Flag of the Chinese Worker and Peasants Red Army"). Actually because of the short-lived history of Chinese Soviet Republic, the CSR flag was little known among Chinese people. However the Chinese Red Army flag is frequently seen in art works about Mao in China ([2][3][4]), maybe that flag fits better. --Ericmetro (talk) 13:33, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

First I would thank you for your contribution in the article! :) Yes most art work about Mao with the Red Army flag are about the Nanchang and Autumn Harvest Uprisings in 1927 or the Long March, I agree with you that it could be better used in other sections.

Well, actually the hammer and axe flag seems to be a little bit fictitious, as we can hardly find any source for the flag. In my opinion the creator of the flag might have seen art works about CSR with the red army flag, and took it as the national flag of CSR, but its design was based on the Red Army flag and the white stripes is usually the location where army unit write its name. As we have official document in 1934 about the flag with globe so I guess we'd better use that flag if we have to.

However maybe we can use the historical photo of Mao in CSR period: [5]? This image is definitely in Public Domain and can be uploaded to Commons if we'd like to. The origional description can be seen here: [6], translated as "Mao Zedong in Chinese Soviet Republic in 1933". --Ericmetro (talk) 14:06, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

By the way, I'm not sure if the Red Army flag is still used in the Chinese civil war in 1947. The Chinese red army is dissolved on 25th, Aug. 1937 with the new name Eighth Route Army and New Fourth Army and it seems there's no flag for communist army during Chinese civil war until late 1948 (Source: [7]). --Ericmetro (talk) 14:21, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Then I think we will use the Chinese Red Army flag instead. Well may I know if you think it fits better in the "The Nanchang and Autumn Harvest Uprisings" section? That section seems mentioned red army mostly and the flag seems to be commonly known being used in that period. Best wishes --Ericmetro (talk) 14:31, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Well to my knowledge it seems the soviet zones at that period don't have their own flag. The red army flag is viewed related to the early uprising and long march in China. There's also another CSR army flag (File:Chinese Soviet Republic flag4.jpg), found in the same document in 1934, although it can be seen in some paintings ([8]), but [9] is more common.

Therefore my suggestion is maybe we can use the flag in the uprising section. Move "Mao in 1931" in where the Jiangxi Soviet flag was and find a better image depicts the Long March.--Ericmetro (talk) 14:44, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

For the GA review, much appreciated :) Mark Arsten (talk) 14:54, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

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Nelson Mandela

I started looking over it and I think the version looks good so far. I'm really excited by the work you've done and to see this one coming together. My attention span is for @#(*#@ today, unfortunately, thanks to a sinus infection, so I apologize that my edits are jumping all over the page.

One thing that I'd be interested to do is reduce some of the miscellaneous material in the second half of the article: the list of television shows that mention NM, the lengthy detail about a few benefit concerts on his behalf, etc. Some sections on controversies like Lockerbie and the Blood Diamond movie also seem a little long compared to the more significant events of NM's life (surely he made more significant speeches during his presidency than the one about the Lockerbie bomber.) The Ayob controversy also seems to me to get undue space in the article (half as much as his presidency), as does the close accounting of recent health scares. So I'm hoping to come at this one with a knife in the next few days, but don't worry, I won't go too crazy, and I'll keep a record of my work on the talk page so it can be easily reverted if you or others disagree.

Thanks again for your work on this one, and for getting me moving on it, too... Khazar2 (talk) 08:54, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I've been taking the knife to the fatty second half of the article and have succeeded in cutting 8kb so far of the article's original 75kb. I'd love to get this down to about 60kb total if that's possible; that's still slightly over what WP:PAGESIZE recommends, but Mandela's a giant figure who deserves some leeway. If you disagree with any of my cuts, though, I won't be at all offended if you revert me.

I also have been gradually reviewing your improvement of the early sections, and it looks to me like excellent work. Thanks so much for taking on the research on this one.

My next goals for the article are to replace the remaining dead links (not strictly necessary for GA, but something a lot of reviewers balk at) and to cut down the Ismail Ayob section down to a reasonable size. I'll keep you posted... -- Khazar2 (talk) 13:35, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to spend some time today and tomorrow archiving the article's many citations. Feel free still to cut any you like, though; I'm just doing them all at the same time rather than evaluating each individually. -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:06, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

ITN/C

Hello. At Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#Magdalene_laundries you gave a neutral !vote, pending a shortening of the blurb. I have suggested a shorter version.

Cheers,

--LukeSurl ^{t c} 16:08, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

The Man-Eating Myth

Hi there. I am also candidating at WP:GAN (Utsuro-bune) and I saw your article there. If you like, I gonna proof-read your article. My own one needs a review, too. What do you think? Regards; --Nephiliskos (talk) 01:22, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much for help! Today I finally got enough time to proof-read your article (vacation day, wohoo!^^). Any upcoming question will be set here, if that's ok. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 13:05, 8 February 2013 (UTC)PS: Some things can be found here.

Some baklamao for you!

. MaoMaoBowman (talk) 01:42, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Corned Beef

	Corned Beef
	Corned Beef MaoMaoBowman (talk) 01:47, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Uncle David

I may try and get to it this week, but this weekend I'll be out of town. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:38, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

• Alright. Just a quick comment though, I'm worried that there are too many sections for the overall length of the article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:52, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

GA Review on Utsuro-bune

Thank you. About section 2b: You are right, the yajikita-page is not that good, so I deleted it. The other sources cover the informations likewise well. About the first section: since I'm German, my English is certainly not perfect enough for the best academic pronouncements. Would you mind if you could sweep over? Meanwhile I will evaluate your article. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 16:47, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Montalban

		The Surreal Barnstar
		For Madeline Montalban, an article I really enjoyed reviewing; certainly not the kind of topic that comes up on GAC all that often. It was great working with you- I'll keep my eyes open for more of your articles! J Milburn (talk) 21:39, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Bog bodies of Northern Europe

Hi Midnightblueowl, there's a discussion about the title of the above article and as you made the last move I thought you might like to voice your opinion. Nev1 (talk) 20:59, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Citation style on Tintin in the Land of the Soviets

Hi, I was doing some copyediting at Tintin in the Land of the Soviets, and I noticed it employed an unusual citation style. Since you're using {{cite book}} already, might a suggest converting the inline cites to {{sfn}}? {{sfn|Thompson|1991|p=24}} accomplishes the same thing as <ref name="Thompson 1991. p. 24">[[#Tho91|Thompson 1991]]. p. 24.</ref> while requiring less typing, causing less clutter, maintaining greater consistency, and is less prone to human error. I'd change them myself, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes—some people take offence at changes to citation style. Curly Turkey (gobble) 00:50, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Crowley photos under removal attempt

Hello. Many Crowley pics are being put up for deletion, and hopefully you can lend a hand in explaining why they should be kept. here is the discussion.. Please alert anyone else who may have information about this, or may have an interest in the conversation. And the Crowley page itself seems to be under nobody's supervision or close watch, although I haven't gone into detail on it. And I hope things go well for you and yours. Thanks! Aleister Wilson 10:23 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Contemporary Paganism#Moved without discussion

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Contemporary Paganism#Moved without discussion. Your input would be very much appreciated. —Sowlos 23:27, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Neo-pagans listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Neo-pagans. Since you had some involvement with the Neo-pagans redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). —Sowlos 13:47, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Janus

As you reviewed the article (that I wrote for the most part), I would be grateful if you could give me more specific advice on how to improve the problems of content and presentation you found in the lead and in the text.Aldrasto11 (talk) 12:17, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind reply. I must say I read the article review before contacting you. The problems for me are: 1. the structure of the lead, as the article is complex and the content fragmented. 2. The issue of format, as I am not familiar with its use in WK. I understand it means something like the language style and the lay out or presentation of material. As far as Janus is concerned the info is classic scholarship and I think it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to write something in the format of Etymology of Wicca.Aldrasto11 (talk) 05:33, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I already made some improvements to format and expanded lead somewhat.Aldrasto11 (talk) 07:42, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

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 —Sowlos  22:43, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

And uh 'nuther thing :)

Funny thing: I was planning on sending some wikilove your way for all the effort you put into improving Paganism articles. I don't want you to get the wrong impression. v_v My post at Talk:Etymology of Wicca was only directed at covering all the angles of that one issue.

As for the article, I hope to convert those three web citations to ISBNed counterparts soon. They're good sources but, but user-friendly webpages are volatile resources.  —Sowlos  02:47, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Mandela

Hi, I have no Knowledge or expertise in this area whatsoever but in the Thembu article it says 'In the ethnic theory underpinning apartheid, the Transkei was regarded as the "homeland" of the Xhosa people. As a result, the Thembu people are often misidentified as being Xhosa.' Unibond (talk) 15:34, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

thanks for getting back to me :-) Unibond (talk) 01:21, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fidel_Castro

i pefereered and even more strongly prefer the aricle to be *less* anti-fidel. For sources for critique, which I do not want to pursue, and reasons why, see my latest entry in link in title of this.

regards.

Manojpandeyanarchocommunist (talk) 14:28, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

hey maan thats fine by me!

the title says it all. chill, man! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manojpandeyanarchocommunist (talk • contribs) 19:19, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Tintin in the Land of the Soviets

Hi. I just want to point out that it's quality, not quantity, of edits that determines whether they should be reverted. Did Prhartcom or my own edits degrade the article in any way? Were they any any way controversial? If not, then reverting them en masse is completely out of line. It is not required to discuss such changes on the talk page unless they are potentially controversial. Curly Turkey (gobble) 03:36, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

I really doubt that moving the plot synopsis to the first paragraph is against Wikipedia "ethos" or guidelines—a quick look through a number of literature and theatre FAs shows any number of examples of just that. If you do have a problem with it, maybe the three of us should discuss it on the article's talk page. Most of the changes that were reverted, however, were technical ones (like {{lang}} templates and infobox parameters)—reverting them clearly degrades the article. Prhartcom has been following along with changes I was making to the leads of Tintin articles recently along the lines of what I thought readers would be most expecting, and what would be easiest to understand to the largest audience, which is why I chose to use phrasing like "Xth volume of" rather than "Xth comics album of" ("volume is instantly understandable; "comics album" is insider jargon, and could mean a number of things to an outsider). Similarly, the details of serialization are unlikely to be of prime interest to most readers, which is why I chose to boot them to the second paragraph (especially since serialization never happened in English; it makes that detail remote from English readers, who are, after all, the readers of this article).

Anyways, I hope we can solve this in a way that ends up benefiting the article. Curly Turkey (gobble) 21:12, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Good day to you, Midnightblueowl, hope you are well! I extend an olive branch, and I wanted you to know I made some minor fixes to this article, that you may have already noticed. I believe this article is truly in excellent shape! As well, I am wondering if you are interested in getting any other Tintin articles to GA? You have the experience. If so, feel free to lead on, I will follow. —Prhartcom (talk) 20:33, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I saw your reply, good to hear from you! I do not have the experience that you have getting articles to GA, but I believe I have the ability to get it done. I am mostly a copyeditor, a data organizer, a researcher, and sometimes a writer. Please do make any suggestions or delegations to me on where to start in the Tintin articles getting the next one to GA or pass along your thoughts anytime. —Prhartcom (talk) 14:06, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Just a quick apology, Midnightblueowl, for referring to you (and Curly Turkey) as "gentlemen"! —Prhartcom (talk) 13:50, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

One more quick word: THANKS for the Half-Barnstar! Only the second star I have ever received. —Prhartcom (talk) 04:01, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Learned from him political activism with a cool head!

Thanks mate!

Posted header sentence - with link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Midnightblueowl - on my facebook page [lqac waz - for historical resons - I have my real name declared there - laqc waz= Manoj Pandey [me] w vowels dropped; reversed and rot13ed...] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manojpandeyanarchocommunist (talk • contribs) 16:02, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Did you mean...

to remove this section while moving the image? [10] Don't have much time to look at it now, but wanted to make sure it was on purpose. Thanks for continuing work on this one! I'm getting really excited about taking it to GA. -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:22, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Cool. I was just confused by the edit summary and wanted to make sure those paragraphs hadn't dropped out on accident. Looking more closely, though, I see that you covered the same material above. Keep up the good work! -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:39, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

one of my favourite quotes is from you, mate! :-)

quoting from my page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Manojpandeyanarchocommunist :

"Actually what I say clumsily below was said wonderfully by user:midnightblueowl - in fact thats my favourite quote now re wikipedia! hell, one of my favourite quotes on anything!

" 'Ah, but there's that pesky U.S.-centrism of Wikipedia peeping through again :p....'

   - by Midnightblueowl (talk) 00:34, 23 October 2012 (UTC)'

" [this was in talk:fidel last week but cant find it now so posting from offline copy...]"

cheers, comrade!:-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manojpandeyanarchocommunist (talk • contribs) 21:28, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

love the way you so subtly make your point: tht's why I downloaded a text copy off the fidel talkpage last week!

) ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manojpandeyanarchocommunist (talk • contribs) 22:55, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Luo Yigu

Hi, I've been reviewing Luo Yigu and there are a couple of points to clarify, please. SagaciousPhil - Chat 11:52, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for responding so promptly on the GAN. I think all images must have a US PD license included. The Mao Zedong image seems to have acquired some odd license templates since I looked at it earlier? Will you manage a slight re-wording to the section I highlighted (when I've looked at it again I don't necessarily think my suggestion works either). SagaciousPhil - Chat 18:53, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Good Article Barnstar
		For your contributions to bring Luo Yigu to Good Article status. Thanks, and keep up the good work! -- SagaciousPhil - Chat 09:54, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Like -- Khazar2 (talk) 16:04, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Mr. Mandela...

...seems about ready for nomination, IMHO. What do you think? I did some tweaking throughout; nothing serious, but feel free to revert what you disagree with. -- Khazar2 (talk) 16:05, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Janus (2)

I made the following changes:

1. Expanded lead (with help of user Cynwolf).

2. Reformatted text where possible.

3. Deleted not strictly relevant material and partly rewritten paragraph "Origin, history and legends".

When you have the time, could you please have a glance?Aldrasto11 (talk) 02:16, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. While I understand your comments I feel the article is ok as it is.

You say the introduction is not detailed enough, unfortunately fail to explain what you think is not highlighted there...

On the rest well, if a reader has difficulty in understanding the language of/in the instances you have made, then: 1. he probably will never read this article, 2. nor can what I have to say attract his interest in any way.

As for the name of scholars, I do not get what you mean: it is obvious that Roman religion is a highly specialistic topic, such as Wicca is hehe, and an editor of WK is supposed/requested to use scholarship. Everyone who is interested in Roman religion knows that Capdeville is no obscure scholar, ordinary professor at the Sorbonne for many years. I can append his curriculum (and that of other cited scholars) if this is what you think would be needed/appropriate.Aldrasto11 (talk) 06:33, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Moreover I feel there will always be someone who will come along finding ever new things that are not to his taste and therefore will demote the article with the excuse that it does not comply with one or other WK rule... I will not fall into the trap of running after them.Aldrasto11 (talk) 07:06, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

I object to your absurd, rude expostulations. I edit WK in good faith and to the best of my ability. My English is only proficient at the level shown in my articles. Remember I am no native speaker of English. But it looks many readers here appreciate the job I do: see the high marks in the previous boxes and the many Bs. Janus has also been partly copied by the Latin WK. Then if somebody wishes to revise the language in order to make it clearer and more brilliant according to current British or American literary tastes he is welcome as far as he can do the job without altering the meaning in any way.

On the other hand I must say I find the instances you mentioned not at all commendable as far as clarity and brilliancy are concerned: I find them long winded, repetitive and confusing. Neither did I find that they give detailed info about the authority of their sources. After reading three times Etymology of Wicca I am still left wondering whether this article deals with a linguistic issue or the history of an Angloamerican modern sect of witches. Well not a very high achievement,... maybe I cannot understand what I read though...or the subject does not interest me enough... But they have been received well by those who decide and this is fine to me as long as nobody asks me to endorse those marks. I could find faults in many articles rated FA or GA about Roman and religious topics and have them demoted with a few remarks, but this not my style, I mind my own business as long as others laeve me alone.Aldrasto11 (talk) 23:58, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Look, there is no reason to be nasty to Midnightblueowl, who has been nothing but helpful and courteous. If the prose isn't clear, then editors may not be able to discern the intended meaning in order to render it clearly. Collaborative editing requires patience and the willingness to discuss and to understand why other editors may not see what you're saying or have other perspectives on the material. An article has to be accessible to the general reader who will come to it. These readers will include high school and young college students who have no background knowledge in the topic at all. Wikipedia is not, nor is it intended to be, a resource for scholars. A person who knows the topic should be able to read and understand an article readily; if not, the general reader learning about the subject for the first time will be utterly lost. Cynwolfe (talk) 12:36, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Well I supposed this is the place where I can come to talk to Midnightblueowl but after finding a comment on my talk page left by Cynwolfe on the issue, here is another!!!

Apologies accepted and me I indeed wish to apologize to Midnightblueowl too, for answering a bit too strongly. I understand WK has rules, but one cannot rule people to write in a way or at a level beyond their own ability. This sounded a bit too much for me and also the last remark: why editing WK then? I will try to comply whenver and wherever I can with the suggestions but I wonder whether I have enough energy to do this job. Because as I wrote here above my fear is that it will become a never ending game: I correct one item and then another comes up: I changed the objected to "fall into three categories" and then came the objection to "with the subtraction of the H": please tell me: how else can I express this same fact? This topic is specialistic and cannot be simplified further, other just resort to omission. Look at the article on the Laryngeal theory. It is well written and simplified to the utmost but many people keep lamenting it is too difficult to understand. If one wishes to write something precise and correct one cannot help saying certain things and some people will find all incomprehensible. However I encourage other editors to make precise and detailed claims and suggestions on what they find not understandable in my contributions as far as this is done with respect for my work and it is reasonable. E. g. some of the claims above I find not reasonable, as that on the subtraction of the H, that is very simple and clear in my view. But what I fear is that if one has a problem here, what then on the analysis of the Carmen Saliare? And so and so on...Thank you for reading me and I wish to convey my sincere regret about being too susceptible.Aldrasto11 (talk) 16:16, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

I do agree with you WK is aimed at a non specialistic public. I think it has discharged its task well and me too I learnt many things through it which other probably would never had known. I took part to this project for personal pleasure but also to put to use some of my abilities and knowledge about the topics I like and on which I have some knowledge about for my education and interest, heritage etc. When I started noticed the articles on ancient Roman religion and related issues in Roman civilization were very lacking. So I contribute on this topic with which I was relatively familiar and informed. Then the task spurred me to read more and learn more. I think now I am able to discern many problems far more clearly. I edited articles on many Roman gods and started the Glossary of ancient Roman religion. I also expanded the articles on the most ancient Latin and Italic monuments: Duenos i., Lapis Niger, Iguvine Tablets. When editing I always keep in mind the principle of giving the reader the opportunity of getting the broadest and most direct as well as most comprehensive knowledge of the topic. In a word to get in touch with the mind and beliefs of the ancient directly. So I do appreciate the importance of conveying the information correctly and accessibly through appropriate use of language. Unfortunately as a foreign speaker of English, as I said on Cynwolfe talkpage already, I cannot muster English style: what I find perfectly clear and clean in my own prose may sound odd, hard to understand or stilted to a native speaker. Even though I have no difficulty in reading English I have difficulty in seeing what is wrong in my own English. My teachers of English told me mastership of style and register is the most difficult thing to acquire for a student...

Things being so I encourage whoever wishes to help to point out explicitly and clearly all the points which are unclear or not well expressed in my contributions, why they think are not well expressed, why they find they cannot understand them and perhaps what would be a better way of expressing them. But preferably one paragraph at a time and once and for all: i.e. when one paragraph is addressed do this comprehensively, avoid coming back later with another new objection on something else previously not noticed other it will get paranoid...Thank you for the attention.Aldrasto11 (talk) 02:53, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Catherines Bell

Hallo, Your move of the actress from Catherine Bell to Catherine Bell (actress), and creation of a dab page at Catherine Bell, has left a large number of links (100-250, though some are to talk pages etc and can be ignored) pointing to the disambiguation page, ie broken.

Are you sure that the academic is sufficiently likely to be searched for that the actress is not appropriate as the primary topic? If you are sure of this, then you are responsible for updating those incoming links (as is explained on the message displayed while you did the move). Please fix them - or alternatively move the disambiguation page to Catherine Bell (disambiguation) and revert the actress to the base name. Thanks. PamD 21:51, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Here's the other half ———

		The Half Barnstar
		For patient coöperation with an obnoxious Turkey and the ever-congenial Prhartcom on the lead to Tintin in the Land of the Soviets. ——— Curly Turkey (gobble) 22:13, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Evelyn Mase

I noticed that you deleted the {{PROD}} tag on the Evelyn Mase page. It appears you are an experienced editor, so I am trying to assume some good faith here, but I was really shocked when it appears that you simply deleted the tag without discussion, and amid voiced concerns from at least two other edits, including Ukexpat who is a long time respected editor as well. It appears you have a bit of a conflict, in so much that you created this article and over at the AFD assume sort of an ownership-type approach to this. While it is appropriate and acceptable for any editor to remove the tag once they believe they have fixed the article, to go about and simply remove the tag without first editing the page, as well as not discuss the concerns with the editors, the mention at the helpdesk, or on the article talk page appears to be bad form.

For now, there is a AFD which you are aware of and we'll let that process that its course. But I wanted to voice my concern that it appeared your actions were in bad-faith, and had you not been such as positive, long standing contributor, I would have assumed some form of vandalism... But clearly you are a constructive addition to the community... Yet, I couldn't just observe this situation and not bring it to your attention. Take care. Tiggerjay (talk) 18:38, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

That's an absolutely incorrect reading of WP:PROD. Your lecture would be better directed to the editor who mistakenly PRODed this in the first place: "Proposed deletion (PROD) is a way to suggest an article for uncontroversial deletion... PROD must only be used if no opposition is to be expected". For a quality article created by an experienced user, obviously opposition is expected, and adding a PROD is silly and insulting. No editing of the page is required to remove the PROD, either. AfD would have been the correct course in a case like this. -- Khazar2 (talk) 18:44, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I must apologise if I ever gave the impression of editing in bad faith, Tiggerjay. I had gone to some trouble to starting a page using good, solid references, for an individual who – to my mind – was quite clearly historically notable. This was a continuation of my extensive work over at the Nelson Mandela page. I was therefore astonished to see a {{PROD}} tag placed on there so soon after its creation, before I had even had a chance to built it up. As was permitted by the information contained within that tag, I deleted it and explained my reasoning. To then find it had been taken to AfD within a matter of hours of my deletion shocked me more; I appreciate the work of those editors who do the hard work on deleting non-notable articles, but this just seems... a very strange choice to delete, and particularly with the speed with which it has been done. Midnightblueowl (talk) 19:09, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, and just to be clear, I didn't want it to come off as a lecture :) But rather just keeping good lines of communication open. Sometimes when we are involved in things, we can overlook how other people might view them. I can certainly understand how you were shocked about a PROD/AFD. As someone who has introduced articles in the past, I know how this feels. Even worse so when it happens quickly, and in my case, I was away on a wiki break and come back after action was taken without your input, so I can completely understand were you are coming from. And that is why I was mentioning that I was sharing from good faith, and presuming it of you, and just mentioning that it might appear as bad faith, from a certain perspective. This article was brought up to my attention from a request over at the Helpdesk, I had no awareness of it prior to that. Based on the post at the helpdesk, and after looking into it, my initial review is that it is not notable because of notinherited. I have made my thoughts clear over at AfD, as well as other editors. Not that it is a !vote by any means, but so far the AfD is at best no-consensus, showing that there is at least question in the community on if this article is notable, primarily hinging on WP:NOTINHERITED. Although I do see after my AfD post that Khazar2 made a great idea that might be an improvement which is a merge/move into a new article. The information you provided is good, well sourced and verifiable; it just don't seem enough to warrant it's own page - but I will defer to the AfD process here.

I do want to acknowledge the comments that Khazar2 made, you are absolutely correct as to the letter of the law/policy... And that AfD may have been a better forum for this discussion over a PROD. However, the person who placed it believed that it was uncontroversial -- apparently wrong, but that is okay. Also that while a PROD can be removed by anyone, for any reason, it still doesn't change my impression that the simple removal was not sufficient, even though policy permits it. My perspective is biased from the standpoint that there appears to be good reason to discuss that the article be deleted (ie it was not a frivolous PROD/AfD) and thus, because of that, a bit more rational than a edit summary would be a good idea... But that is just my perspective and why I shared that perspective in good faith... Tiggerjay (talk) 19:55, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, and for bringing this issue to me to start with. I agree that it really is important that lines of dialogue are kept open! Midnightblueowl (talk) 20:12, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

That's fair enough, Tiggerjay, and I apologize for being snippy in my own response. I agree that it's a best practice to respond on the talk page when deprodding. I appreciate your thoughtful comments both here and at the AfD. -- Khazar2 (talk) 20:58, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

China and Tibet

Hi, I am a college student writing a research paper on China's takeover of Tibet, so I came to Mao's page for some information but I don't see anything about Tibet on his page. Why do you think China's takeover of Tibet during Mao's regime is not mentioned in his page? Would you consider adding something about Tibet on his page? Thank you. --Madeintibet59 (talk) 00:24, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello there and thank you for contacting me on this issue. I assume that you have done so because you have identified me as one of the primary contributors to the Mao Zedong page. In fact, my work on that page has been chronological, working from Mao's birth onwards, but so far I have only focused on providing well-referenced, accurate information on his early life and events during the civil war; I have not added anything to the period during which he was in political power. For that reason, I am not personally accountable for anything on that page post-1949. I am surprised that it does not mention anything on Tibet/Xizang however, and I certainly intend to rectify that in future. The concept of a "Chinese takeover" of Tibet during Mao's era is however a little problematic; internationally, Tibet was recognised as a region of China rather than an independent country for centuries before Mao and the Communists came along. It did have quite a lot of de facto autonomy however, which results in the popular idea that Tibet was an independent country invaded by the Red Army in the 1950s, which is something that – though not strictly historically accurate – is popularised by the contemporary Free Tibet movement. There should be other Wikipedia pages which deal with the issue in greater depth. I wish you well on your research paper, all the best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 00:36, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

10th National Congress of the Communist Party of Vietnam

I've fixed the issues which you saw. --TIAYN (talk) 08:54, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

+ thanks for GAR ing its... my next assignment is fixing the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan... --TIAYN (talk) 08:58, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Magic, Witchcraft and the Otherworld

doi:10.1080/01438300208567194 contains a review; have you got access to it? If not, email me, and I'll send you a PDF. J Milburn (talk) 10:10, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Another one. I can't access this, but loads of Wikipedians can, and they may be able to help. You can also sign up for a free trial. J Milburn (talk) 13:07, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm watching with interest- one of my on-going projects is Nietzsche and Asian Thought, and I'd certainly be interested in writing articles on more of the texts I read... J Milburn (talk) 16:03, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

That looks pretty interesting. I've found it rather difficult to produce articles devoted to academic anthologies (see Modern Paganism in World Cultures or Signals of Belief in Early England), and it is definitely easier (in my opinion) to devote an article to a single monograph. Midnightblueowl (talk) 16:12, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I suspect so. I really lost interest with regards to the Japanese section (I don't know much about Japanese philosophy- my interest was in the Indian philosophy), and I've realised that there are an awful lot of reviews I just can't access. I'll probably send it to GAC eventually, but I don't think I'll be able to go all the way to FAC, sadly. J Milburn (talk) 08:37, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Easy GA?

I watched as you nominated Snow White (2001 film) for GA. I considered reviewing it myself, but decided to wait and see what happened. The article seems quite thin on content to me, and of the only five sources there, the one used the most (exclusively in some sections) would be considered a primary source by some, and therefore not extremely reliable. I probably would have failed it. But I do not have lots of experience with GA reviews, having done only 3, although I have had 9 of my own articles promoted. I have usually worked very hard on them and made hundreds of edits for months to get them ready. On this article, it seems that most of your contributions were done in two days time. I don't mean to show disrespect, but I want to know how such a small article with so few sources can be a GA. BollyJeff | talk 00:13, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

So if I were reviewing an article like this, I should do some searches to see if I could find any more information before saying it is not comprehensive? What about using primary sources like DVD extras and interviews with directors and producers; how much is too much? I thought that you had used quite a bit in that article. I saw another article up for review right now that says the producer called the film a "hit" in an interview. But no third party sources call it a hit. I guess that would be okay if it was noted that the producer said so, and not represented as a general fact. BollyJeff | talk 18:14, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Nelson Mandela

Hi, and thanks for the notification. From a quick look at the history it's obvious you've been doing a good job on the Mandela article. I added a See also link to 'List of civil rights leaders', but you indicate the section grows too long when that section is included in the page. Would it be possible to allow the section but to write a hidden note to "please only add very relevant pages"? If it can be limited to six or ten entries it would allow readers to follow the knowledge tree a bit more and still not be topheavy. A category could be added for 'civil rights activists' but I've found, in my own personal experience, that some people never look at categories which, themselves, tend to proliferate, and that a link within a See also section shares the data in a more concise and seemingly more accessible way. And there are no lists of revolutionaries or African politicians, although there is one for South African politicians, which seems relevant. But you decide, and keep up the good work. Randy Kryn 10:58 2 May 2013 (UTC)

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A second reviewer has finished reviewing the article, and I believe all the issues he brought up have been addressed. Can you take a look and see if the article is ready to pass? --FutureTrillionaire (talk) 13:07, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

And thank you Midnightblueowl for your constructive efforts on the GA review. History2007 (talk) 18:44, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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Well done. Etymology of Wicca, which you nominated as a good article, has passed the review, which you can access on the talk page. It will appear on the relevant lists as soon as wikipedia stops glitching at me. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 18:26, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

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I appreciate it may be a bit late for this one, but I've left some comments. J Milburn (talk) 12:11, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

And promoted- well done, thoroughly deserved. J Milburn (talk) 16:31, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Feel free to remove my comment on your other FAC! J Milburn (talk) 16:35, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

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Muammar Gaddafi's awards

Hi Midnightblueowl! First, thank you for your appreciation of my work. I agree with you that depending on how longer is the list of honours of Muammar Gaddafi it should be splitted into a new article, but until now I dont consider that it should be done. Compare how longer is Gaddafi's list with others examples as Mandela or Tito. However, if later the list grows sufficiently to be as longer as the cited examples, it could and should be done. Regards, --HCPUNXKID (talk) 11:57, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Talk-page stalker comment: at a glance, listing things like "Grand Commander of the Order of the Republic of the Gambia" or an honorary doctorate from Megatrend University seem awfully trivial for a figure of Gaddafi's stature. This page space could surely be better used to add detail and context to other aspects of his life. -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:12, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I think that that's a fair point that you have there, Khazar. Maybe we should take it to Talk:Muammar Gaddafi and discuss it there, where other editors can engage as well ? Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:15, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for reviewing Regina Martínez Pérez; your suggestions will serve the article well. Happy editing! ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 17:17, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

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Tintin in America

Hi Midnightblueowl, got your message, Thank-you also, for the work you're doing at Tintin in America. I am taking a look at it now and can get back to you with any feedback here. And thanks for noticing my work on The Adventures of Tintin; yes I am hard at work on it, bringing it up to quality slowly but surely, and I am positive I'm going to need your objective eye. Please take a critical look at it, look for those tiny flaws I may not be able to objectively see. I am going to add more cited references to the Characters section next and I am wrapping up the To-do list but all other work should be done for now. Cheers. —Prhartcom (talk) 22:47, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tintin in the Land of the Soviets/archive4

The reason no one's commented is that the page hasn't been transcluded at the the main FPC page. I'd advise sticking at the top of the page with a note about how it wasn't done earlier! J Milburn (talk) 15:11, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks J, but do you mean the FAC page rather than the FPC page ? I admit that i'm a little confused... Midnightblueowl (talk) 15:23, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

I do, sorry. A user I was talking to got tangled up between FL and FA earlier today, there must be something going around... J Milburn (talk) 15:25, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Ah gotcha! And many thanks for doing the GA review for Tintin in America J. If I can ever return the favour, give me a shout! Midnightblueowl (talk) 15:27, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

This is good information to know, although it looks like we just got promoted from GAC to FAC! —Prhartcom (talk) 16:25, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Congrats!

On another GA. You're on quite a roll! -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:38, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Khazar, yes I've been on a bit of a roll lately. I've put up Muammar Gaddafi for GA review – I've spent hours and hours on building that thing up – and think it's probably time for a review. Regarding the latest comment on the Mandela talk page, I have downloaded the papers that they specify (i.e. the ones claiming proof that Mandela was a SACP member), and will hopefully get around to reading them tonight and using them in the article tomorrow. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 15:48, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Great, thanks! I imagine that pending evidence this research is widely accepted, it's just worth a sentence or two in the article for now, or perhaps a footnote. But you can balance this better than I, I think, since you've got more familiarity with the sources.

Y'know, you and I had bleakly talked about how we might be racing against time with that revision, but we had no idea how close to the wire we were really running; regardless of how this health crisis plays out (and there seems to be only one answer now), I'm glad we got this review in a few hours before the explosion of visitors. -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:56, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, on new year's eve 2012, there was a Mandela death scare at the CNN news room (I was with someone who works behind the scenes there) as rumours seemed to be flying that he had passed on. Of course, it wasn't true, but it really got me thinking that he was a very old man who wouldn't be around much longer, and that spurred me on to get hold of some second hand biographies of him and start putting together that article post haste. I did feel that it was a race against time, and I'm beginning to think the same regarding Fidel Castro, which is another page that I hope to send to GA review before the summer is out. If you are at all interested, of course you would be welcome aboard over there, Khazar, although I appreciate that you are very busy with the WikiProject Human Rights pages. Midnightblueowl (talk) 16:04, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

I might take you up on that, thanks! You're right that it would be better to have that in solid shape before a media explosion than after. I have to warn you, though, that I can tell at a glance that my first priority would be to try to cut Castro article to 2/3 of its current length (100kb readable prose!). Hopefully, though, this could be done through the creation of spinoff articles; that way readers who need a detailed treatment can still find it, while readers who need a summary of his life could find it at our main article.

It's a bit academic, though, because I'll be up to my eyeballs in the US Bill of Rights for the next three weeks. Maybe after that I'll take a peek in. In either case, can't thank you enough for taking on so many of the big figures of the 20th century. I don't know if you peek at the readership stats as often as I do, but it's amazing how many millions of people are making use of your work: 161,710 this month for Castro alone. -- Khazar2 (talk) 16:14, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

K, oh I know that the Castro article needs a massive cut-back, particularly from the latter half of the article, which is very word-heavy. However, we should also recognise that he's been alive an awful long time, and throughout that has been continuously active and influential, so he deserves an article that is at least as long as Mandela's. If you are at all interested, I'm hoping of sending V. Gordon Childe over to GAR pretty soon; not related to these big world figures really, but an interesting gent nonetheless. Midnightblueowl (talk) 16:22, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Tintin Reviews

Hello dear Midnightblueowl. As I see you have noticed we have some reviews of Tintin in the Land of the Soviets. I have responded to them nearly 100 percent but would appreciate your input where indicated (with the yellow tick mark). Feel free to change any of the changes I have made, as you are the most active editor for this article.

Take a look at Tintin in the Congo and Tintin in America, as I have spent a few hours making improvements to both of those also. Again, feel free to overrule any of my edits if necessary.

I would be grateful for your thoughts and improvements on the current state of the main article, The Adventures of Tintin. There is more to do. Cheers. —Prhartcom (talk) 05:47, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello, I had been looking forward to hearing from you, thank-you for stopping by my Talk page. I left a response for you there. —Prhartcom (talk) 16:38, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

And again. Cheers. —Prhartcom (talk) 17:07, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Active Voice vs. Passive Voice

We were talking earlier about active voice vs. passive voice (please see my last comment there). You agreed we should be careful to avoid it, then you mentioned that you had added some sentences to The Adventures of Tintin. I've just taken a look at your addition. Each of the four sentences you added contains passive voice and needs to be rewritten. Don't misunderstand, I am not condemning, I am hoping this is helpful information to you; I am vowing to learn to avoid passive voice thing also.

Here's what you wrote: "In late 1933, after Wallez 'was forced' from his job following a scandal, Hergé signed an agreement that the company Casterman would take over publication of his stories in book form. The character of Tintin 'was largely based' on Hergé's earlier character, Totor; Hergé described the former as being like Totor's younger brother. 'He was also influenced by his brother, Paul.' The Belgian far right leader Léon Degrelle later claimed that Tintin 'was based on him', although 'this has been dismissed by Tintinologists'; Hergé despised Degrelle ever since the latter used one of his designs without permission in the early 1930s."

Here's what I have rewritten for you: "In late 1933, after Wallez caused a scandal and newspaper management forced him from his job, Hergé signed an agreement that the company Casterman would take over publication of his stories in book form. The look of Hergé's earlier character, Totor, was the inspiration for the character of Tintin; Hergé described Tintin as being like Totor's younger brother. Hergé's brother Paul was also an influence on Tintin’ s look. Belgian far right leader Léon Degrelle later claimed that Hergé based Tintin’s look on himself, although Tintinologists dismiss this claim. Hergé despised Degrelle ever since he used one of his designs without permission in the early 1930s."

Interesting, eh? Sobering, isn't it? About the only thing you got right was, "Hergé despised Degrelle", because you didn't write, "Degrelle 'was despised by' Hergé." And it took a bit of work for me to translate the passive into the active for you. Please lets not add any more passive voice to the article. I have reverted your edit so that you may make improvements in active voice. Again, no offense intended at all. Sound good?

I have noticed that there are times passive voice is OK. We may want the object to receive the action instead of the subject. However, if this is true, I think that we make these exceptions for only one reason: Because otherwise rewriting it so that the subject (the former object) receives the action puts undue emphasis on the subject (the former object). A good example might be, "Tintin was sent on assignment to the Soviet Union." The object, his editors (who did the sending), are missing from the sentence (as they often are in passive voice) and to correct the passive we would need to add them into the sentence and cast them in the staring role, like this: "The editors sent Tintin on assignment to the Soviet Union." (It was better before when we didn't even think about the editors.)

Incidentally (and off the subject), I am pretty sure Léon Degrelle was misunderstood by Tintinologists (or maybe by us who accidently misquote the Tintinologists). Degrelle never meant that he looks like Tintin or that Hergé based Tintin on his look. In his autobiography, Degrelle only meant that he deserves credit for introducing the American-style comic "strip" to Hergé (by mailing him those North American newspapers) and therefore launching BDs in Europe. Hergé even gave that credit to Degrelle years later. —Prhartcom (talk) 20:39, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Midnightblueowl, you are wonderful to work with; thank-you for reacting so calmly. And I am with you—I never thought about this idea of the passive voice either until now; not until this weekend when I was basically going through the list of things one should check when one is conducting a copyedit. Along with checking for spelling and grammar errors, one of the things one should check for is the presence of passive voice, and when I checked, sure enough, it was everywhere in the Tintin articles. I endeavored to fix it in the article that was in the most urgent need of getting that sort of thing done quickly—the one up for FA. The others we must get to as soon as possible.

Yes, you ask a great question, is there a Wikipedia policy or recommendation? I checked, and yes, it is not one of the five pillars or anything but it is brought up here: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Clarity. And there is even a regular article about it here: English passive voice.

All very interesting. It sounds like it boils down to the fairly simple rule: Don't use passive voice in most situations if you can help it. There are exceptions and there is a time and a place for it. So, now that I've had a chance to think about it, I say that rewriting the sentence in the active voice gives us, the writer, a brave reason to move the POV to the object for a moment, to see things from their point of view. Then maybe back to the Tintin POV, and then back to another sentence, again not from Tintin's view, but casting the object as the subject, and indulging in simple, direct, subject-does-action, but from the POV of the antagonist, or whoever the object happens to be.

—Prhartcom (talk) 21:38, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker): As a former grammar teacher (whose grammar is not always perfect whomself), I'd say passive voice is to be avoided but is better in a small number of situations. For example, I'd consider "after Wallez 'was forced' from his job following a scandal" a superior sentence to ""In late 1933, after Wallez caused a scandal and newspaper management forced him from his job"; it's briefer and gives all the necessary information. Sometimes the subject of the sentence isn't important, and it makes more sense to emphasize the object. Just an outside two cents... -- Khazar2 (talk) 21:49, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Midnightblueowl, hope all is well. I found a good online tool for passive voice: http://spellcheck24.net. —Prhartcom (talk) 13:43, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

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Tintin Sources

Hello Midnightblueowl, hope all is well. I'm wondering if I could take you up on your generous offer to please have a look in your reference books for any mention of any produced Tintin documentaries? The main article mentions I, Tintin and the newer (and brilliant) Tintin and I but does not have a valid reference to any of the usual cited source bibliography for these documentaries. (There is no mention in Thompson 1991, Farr 2001, Farr 2007, or Lofficier of any documentary that I can see, and the provided reference to Lofficier isn't right.) Cheers my dears.  :-) —Prhartcom (talk) 18:37, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't done it sooner Prhartcom (it's been a busy weekend), but I shall endeavour to have a look tonight. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 20:34, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

NP at all. —Prhartcom (talk) 22:18, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid there's nothing in the Herge biographies of Peeters or Assouline either... Or McCarthy... Apostolides doesn't have an index, so I can't identify any references in there I'm afraid... Considering Tintin et moi was only made in 2003, its absence doesn't surprise me, as most of the sources were written earlier than that (even if they were only translated into English later), but the lack of references to Moi, Tintin perplexes me. Sorry I couldn't have been of more help Prhartcom, but if I ever come across any references, you'll be the first to know. Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:40, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree, that is perplexing. No mention in Lofficier, at the back sections, surprises me. It looks like we can't say anything about that documentary. No great loss, probably, but it would have been nice for the article. Thanks Midnightblueowl very much for checking your books; let me know if I can do something for you sometime. —Prhartcom (talk) 01:23, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Congrats on Soviets!

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		Congratulations on getting Tintin in the Land of the Soviets promoted as a Featured Article! Curly Turkey (gobble) 23:15, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Excellent. This is a proud moment for you Midnightblueowl; excellent work. This is good news; I believe this is a glimpse of what is to come. Thanks also to Curly Turkey; all editors of all of the Tintin articles are to be commended. Cheers! —Prhartcom (talk) 23:52, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Curly, and thank you Prhartcom for all your help! Midnightblueowl (talk) 13:47, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Gaddafi GA review

You might be wondering what the delay has been with the Gaddafi article; sorry about that. My computer's motherboard failed, so I was without sufficient Internet access to complete the review until today. I am hoping to get it done ASAP now, given the delay. —Theodore! (talk) (contribs) 16:57, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know Theodore! Sorry to hear that you've been having computer problems; I've been there. Midnightblueowl (talk) 17:13, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

It's been over three weeks since Theodore! started this section, and he has made no edits since. Did you want to continue waiting in the hopes that he returns to the GA review, or would you rather have it put back into the reviewing pool? Please let me know here what you'd prefer. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 19:05, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello and thanks for contacting me on this issue BlueMoonset; I'd like to give Theodore! one more week, and if by that time they have not responded, then it can be placed back in the reviewing pool. Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:44, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome, Midnightblueowl. One month for a response (from July 18) is very generous; I'll check back on August 18 and see if Theodore! has resumed work. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:00, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

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Tintin in the Land of the Soviets is the first volume of The Adventures of Tintin, the comics series by Belgian cartoonist Hergé. Commissioned by the conservative Belgian newspaper [Le XXe Siècle] Error: {{Lang}}: text has italic markup (help) as anti-communist propaganda for its children's supplement [Le Petit Vingtième] Error: {{Lang}}: text has italic markup (help), it was serialised weekly from January 1929 to May 1930. The story tells of young Belgian reporter Tintin and his dog Snowy, who are sent to the Soviet Union to report on the policies of Joseph Stalin's Bolshevik government. Tintin's intent to expose the regime's secrets prompts agents from the Soviet secret police, the OGPU, to hunt him down with the intent to kill. Bolstered by publicity stunts including the April Fools' Day publication of a faked OGPU letter confirming Tintin's existence, Land of the Soviets was a commercial success, and appeared in book form shortly after its conclusion. Hergé continued The Adventures of Tintin with Tintin in the Congo, and the series became a defining part of the Franco-Belgian comics tradition. He later came to regret the poorly researched, propagandist debut story, and prevented its republication until 1973; it is the only completed Tintin story not to have appeared in colour. (Full article...)

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Tintin, The Adventures of

Hello dear Midnightblueowl, hope you are well. I'm stopping by to report that I have copyedited your work at Cigars of the Pharaoh, helping you by giving the article a second pair of eyes, and getting it ready for you to submit it for GA, of course. It was some difficult work and I changed quite a bit of your stuff; let me know if any of it hits you the wrong way or just edit it. As always, I do everything I can to respect and preserve the work of the editor whose work I am editing.

I have been working on the List of The Adventures of Tintin characters. I plan to bring it to FA quality, along with The Adventures of Tintin. I will also eventually do all ten of the character articles, as you do all twenty-four of the album articles. I have also, over the past few years actually, been working on ensuring the "plumbing" of the Tintin articles is working: All the categories, redirects, disambiguation pages, and links flow together nicely, correctly, and consistently. Fun to do and still balance real life, eh?

I heard the Internet will be down in "Western Europe" this next week, that sounds really bad, hope it gets well soon. Please stop by and give my work a really viscous second pair of eyes whenever you can. Thanks and cheers. —Prhartcom (talk) 23:31, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Incidentally, an IP living in Antwerp has twice reverted a line from the Hergé article that states he is a "personification of Belgium", which you say is supported by Assouline's text, although you don't give the page number. Would you like to restore it and give the page number? —Prhartcom (talk) 12:52, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Midnightblueowl, I just re-read Cigars; brilliant work! —Prhartcom (talk) 21:43, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I will always support you in any Tintin project here on Wikipedia, so I will agree to co-nominate Congo to FA with you. However, must we really do that? Is it really so necessary to get another feather in your cap? You already did a fine job getting it to GA. It's a matter of priorities. I would rather you and I instead work together on improving the main article and submitting it and making it deserve its FA. After that, I would like to work with you to improve both list articles and get them both to FA. Can you have a look at/edit the To do list? Thanks for your honest thoughts on this. —Prhartcom (talk) 22:30, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

P.S. I am working offline on the Characters section of the main article right now. It will have references mainly to Thompson. —Prhartcom (talk) 23:54, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Midnightblueowl, As you know I am newly aware of the power of the active voice! I was encouraged by your positive/open mind on this issue. I intend to ensure each Tintin article has been at least analysed for passive voice sentences and checked for possible re-written, improved sentences. I have analysed the following Tintin articles for passive voice and this is where we stand now:

Tintin in the Land of the Soviets: Only 3% passive voice. I worked to re-write sentences the week it went to FA review. Success!

Tintin in the Congo: About 20% passive voice. I have identified the sentences that need to be checked and re-written if possible. In my opinion, needs attention now.

Tintin in America: About 30% passive voice last time I checked, but I see an I.P. has rewritten the entire Synopsis, so I would need to check again. I'd be interested in your review of their changes.

Cigars of the Pharaoh: About 3% passive voice. I worked to re-write sentences the week it went to GA review. Success!

Also:

The Adventures of Tintin: About 20% passive voice. I pledge to do the corrections to this article ASAP.

If you wish, I could email you my Word doc of analysis of Tintin in the Congo showing identified passive voice sentences and some suggested fixes; let me know if you'd like. Or let me know if, instead, you'd like me to look into this. I am currently working on Characters section. Cheers!

P.S. For example, further down in "Congo" article: "This idea was supported by Tintinologist Jean-Marie Apostolidès." Change to" "Tintinologist Jean-Marie Apostolidès supported this idea."  :-) —Prhartcom (talk) 20:02, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Midnightblueowl. OK! I want you to know I accept and will check into Congo passive-2-active task. I will put aside the tasks I was working on. Will you please check into America Synopsis? I have not read it since it changed nor re-checked it for passive style. Please review (I used Word). Cheers! —Prhartcom (talk) 22:48, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

P.S. I know! It is such a blow, this passive voice thing. But I realize now no writing exists in my future without recognising this little fact. I am trying to learn to look at it as an advantage to writing style. Active voice would say: "Tintin does so-and-so.", then active voice would say it from the other camera angle shot: "Villain does so-and-so!" Much better than always from the point of view of Tintin and things passively happening to him. Cheers. —Prhartcom (talk) 22:57, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

It is OK with me (poor things, they tried) IF you have a go at some passive-2-active after the revert, otherwise, no fair.  :-) —Prhartcom (talk) 23:19, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

I saw your revert (very good edit summary) so I assume you accept my challenge!

I will give you my secret: Copy/paste the entire article into Word (yes, that's right). You have to go to Options/Proofing and ensure it is set to spell checks, grammar checks, and style checks (that's the passive voice check!) —Prhartcom (talk) 00:17, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

It's done; Congo now has only about 3% passive voice. Success!

I re-checked America, and it needs your improvement pretty badly; it's currently about 30% passive voice. —Prhartcom (talk) 08:16, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Midnightblueowl, I saw your message to me. Please go here: User talk:Midnightblueowl/Voice. —Prhartcom (talk) 15:17, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Midnightblueowl! I see some activity over at America! I will check it out later, I actually have to get on a plane now (1 week vaca!) but I congratulate you so far!! Encouragement vibes your way. :-) I will be checking all your edits there later to see which of the identified phrases were considered/corrected so I encourage you further. Cheers. —Prhartcom (talk) 16:20, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

P.S. You can say to me, "no I don't want to do that; you do it" if you have to; I'm OK with it. I'm happy to follow you, because I believe you know how to improve the Tintin articles. It's mutual respect. Cheers. :-) —Prhartcom (talk) 16:34, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Settings in The Adventures of Tintin

An article that you have been involved in editing, Settings in The Adventures of Tintin, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. —Prhartcom (talk) 04:06, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Etymology of witch

Would you be interested in trying to bring Etymology of witch up to GA? Following the discussion at Talk:Modern paganism#Magic and witchcraft section, I've added it to my list.  —Sowlos  07:00, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello there Sowlos, and thank you for contacting me on this issue. I'd be willing to help out on any attempt to pull this article up to GA, but I fear that I do not have the necessary expertise or access to the necessary sources to actually do the work myself. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 20:30, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

You might be the great Midnightblueowl, but I wasn't asking you to do the work for me. :D
I'm planning on collecting sources for an improvement drive on the article soon. You've shown interest and knowledge in the etymology of a related word (not to mention good writing), so I thought I'd reach out on this.  —Sowlos  11:51, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

WP Human rights

Hey MBO, I hope you don't mind, but I pulled the WP Human rights tags from Castro, Mao, and Gaddafi per the criteria up at WP Human rights. I'm worried that tagging political figures who aren't primarily known for work on human rights issues (i.e., Mandela, Jimmy Carter) or for running afoul of international human rights law (i.e., Charles Taylor, Milošević), is going to end up with almost all head-of-state articles being absorbed into WP Human rights. If you feel strongly about this, though, I realize it's a minor point, and I won't edit-war on it if you revert me. Thanks again for your work on these three big 'uns. -- Khazar2 (talk) 18:31, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello there Khazar! No I'm not offended at all, your reasoning is sound! Midnightblueowl (talk) 20:24, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

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Tintin in the Land of the Soviets

I understand your reasoning for reversing my recent edit. The Holodomor took place in 1922-23, while this story was published in 1920. However, the article gives the impression that grain rationing/confiscation was a myth perpetrated by the author, and not supported by events in the Soviet Union at the time of publication. The grain confiscation policy of Prodrazvyorstka had been in place (in certain regions) for several years, prior to 1920. It was introduced all over Soviet Russia on January 11, 1919.

The article's synopsis states that Tintin learns that all the Soviet grain is being exported abroad for propaganda purposes, leaving the people starving, and that the government plans to "organise an expedition against the kulaks, the rich peasants, and force them at gunpoint to give us their corn." That is an accurate description of the Holodomor. It is unlikely that Hergé was remarkably prescient. Rather, the events he described in the story were likely based on Prodrazvyorstka, which then later metastasized into the Holodomor. It is inaccurate to portray that portion of the Tintin story as a figment of the author's (poorly informed) imagination.

One could simply remove the references to bread/grain rationing, if the only objective of this article is to paint the author as an ill-informed propagandist. However, it would be more accurate (and more in the nature of a respectable encyclopedia) to state the factual aspects of the story side-by-side with the fictional elements. I don't believe that the inclusion of these facts borders on POV. Gulbenk (talk) 21:39, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt response to my post. I am not the least bit concerned about having my edit deleted. It is through that process (usually) that we develop better articles.

I am still concerned with the tone of the Tintin article. To say that the rationing/confiscation of grain was fictional in 1920 is an historical inaccuracy. While it might play into the intended narrative of the article, it should not be left as a statement of fact. If a 'tintinologist" has failed to make the connection, other reliable sources can be found to support the point. The statement that certain specific events such as those described in the tintin story were taking place in the Soviet Union at the time of the story's publication, supported by reliable references, is not original research and does not violate any Wikipedia policy that I am aware of. On the contrary, that information would contribute to a more informative and balanced article, which is what we all strive for here. Gulbenk (talk) 17:24, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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Lucien Pepermans

Please take a look at the comment I added to the talk page of Tintin in the Land of the Soviets : it seems almost beyond doubt you suffered from a typo, but I would hate having to correct the page without your consent. Jan olieslagers (talk) 15:18, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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Tintin review

Absolutely no problem! If you ever need another related article reviewed, I'd be happy to undertake them. It was one of the best sourced articles I've seen, even before the review process which is very unusual! By the way, if you're planning to work on The Blue Lotus to get it to GA standard (you seem to be working in chronological order) let me know - I'd be happy to help in any way I can with the writing on it, particularly on any of the historical side. With very best wishes Brigade Piron (talk) 16:32, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

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Rastapopoulos

Hi Midnightblueowl, good to be back! I see you moved (renamed) the Rastapopoulos article to Roberto Rastapopoulos; evidently you felt that was an improvement (I disagree as he is never referred to by that name), but I see you have not done any of the necessary post-move cleanup or the fixing of all links pointing to the previously known page, that is polite to do afterwards. I go by the notion that a Move includes the responsibility to keep things need and tidy afterward, especially in a topic you and your friends care about, otherwise don't do the move. As it happens, I have been ensuring that ALL of the "plumbing" (as I call it) to every single Tintin character article, book article, etc. is perfect and no unnecessary redirects, info box corrected, List of The Adventures of Tintin characters article updated, etc. etc. Will you be doing the clean-up for your move? Cheers. —Prhartcom (talk) 18:49, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your positive reply. There may be more clean-up to do than you thought: The new index in the List of characters article, for example, has a new index section at the top that would also need to be updated. You would have to put that "Roberto" in many, many places in many articles. But instead of doing all that, please consider backing out of your original idea and just rename the article back to Rastapopoulos. You know that is the only name people will use when searching for him. —Prhartcom (talk) 12:19, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi again Midnightblueowl; It is time to revert your move of this page back to the original page title Rastapopoulos, partly because you have not done any clean up after your move, but especially because you have no consensus for this move that you made. I will be submitting this to Technical Moves to ask an administrator's assistance with this revert, but before I do, will you please indicate your agreement to put the title of this page back to it's original title over at the talk page of the article, under a new section I put there? Thanks; I will then show the administrator that there is no controversy and that you do not contest my revert of your move. —Prhartcom (talk) 20:15, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi again Midnightblueowl. I am sorry you are choosing to go against me on this. Please provide the evidence that this character's first name is "Roberto". Thanks. —Prhartcom (talk) 16:56, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi again Midnightblueowl! Thanks so much for telling me the evidence is in Farr's book Tintin and Co., the only book of his I don't own (I have just placed an order for it!) as I checked all my available sources and found nothing. I wonder where Farr got his evidence, do you know? Thanks also for pointing out the original title of the article; I had not noticed that. I do agree with the person who eventually moved it to be the character's last name, though, and I was sorry to see what you had done. But that is forgiven as I think I understand you agree to allow an administrator to move it back? If so, can you please add your acquiescence to your comments on the talk page of the article? I ask because they will want to know this is an uncontroversial move, a "technical move" that no one objects to. I think I also understand you will want to discuss this further at a later date after we move it back, and that is a fair request, absolutely. Thanks for your fair-minded and kind heart. —Prhartcom (talk) 19:05, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

BTW, thanks for making me realise I need Farr's Tintin and Co. book ... I am honestly excited to realise it is exactly the book I need to make proper edits to the Characters section! I wish I could just pop over and borrow yours for a bit :-) but I'm sure mine will arrive soon. Cheers. —Prhartcom (talk) 20:18, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh yes! You reminded me I own three of them, Tintin, Snowy, and Professor Calculus; I found them in a half-price bookstore about four years ago, but the others weren't there. But yes, I see myself having soon enough reference material to finish that Character section. While you work your way through the book articles, I could work my way through all ten of the main character articles and the "List of The Adventures of Tintin characters" article. Cheers. —Prhartcom (talk) 21:02, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

My apologies

Sorry for the incredibly inappropriate lack of attention I have given to your review. I've been caught up with some real life projects; I am confident that I will be able to devote enough attention to the review from now until this Sunday to get it completed. —Theodore! (talk) (contribs) 19:10, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

• By the way, there is a guy at the GA page talking about NPOV. He has some reasonable concerns about the lead that I will address later today, when I am back on my laptop. —Theodore! (talk) (contribs) 12:44, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Ditto

I should probably apologize again for my above comment, which suggests I sympathize with BoogaLouie's criticisms. I do feel that the lead should reflect the circumstances leading up to the bombing; nevertheless, I am aware that you have worked hard - and have succeeded - in maintaining NPOV. I will post a detailed response to all concerns on the GA page; I am still using my phone right now, and won't be home for several hours, but will make sure that inaccurate assumptions about your work are addressed. —Theodore! (talk) (contribs) 18:26, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

• I wrote a little blurb about neutrality on the GA page; I'm not concerned about it. I did ask Booga Louie, as you did earlier, to provide explicit examples of the tone/NPOV problems he references. If he does, I'll address his concerns then; I'm fairly doubtful that any genuine problems will be brought up. —Theodore! (talk) (contribs) 03:14, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Congo

Hey, Hey! I fixed some broken harv links in Tintin in the Congo. These can be really hard to catch. If you're not averse to using scripts, User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js automatically highlights these broken links with eyesore-inducing red messages that make them impossible to miss.

Also, you might want to check out WP:PLUSING. I can't quite wrap my head around the reasons for it, but some editors make a stink about it, so it's good at least to have read it. Curly Turkey (gobble) 04:54, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Dwayne Jones

Please disambiguate Jones as Dwayne Jones (basketball). The article has least been moved to that name per existing convention. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 21:12, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Chomsky

Hi, I saw you were editing the Chomsky article.

I mentioned in one of my edits that I was sandboxing some stuff so I could source it and then re-add it. To be honest, in terms of Wikipedia material, it is as good as worthless. So just to let you know I'm not going to waste my time going through it and sourcing it, contrary to what I said. Quite why the person who added it thought slapping up a section called Psychology was justification for unfurling a long and unsourced whimper about aspects of his linguistics remains unclear to me.

So don't expect it back! No big loss, I am sure you will agree. LudicrousTripe (talk) 21:59, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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Good job, Midnightblueowl, and congrats! —Prhartcom (talk) 21:57, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

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• The prose is pretty good, but it could probably use a copyeditor before FA, just to smooth out the occasional rough patch.

University in Sydney and Oxford: 1911–1917

• "Wishing to continue his education, he gained £200 from the Cooper Graduate Scholarship in Classics" - this is a little bit awkward; it would be better to state how he gained the scholarship, e.g. "he submitted an essay to and won" or "he applied for the Cooper Graduate Scholarship in Classics and was awarded £200." Also, is that per year, or a lump sum?
• "Oxford University Fabian Society" - This could use more explanation. The Fabian Society... well, it's hard to judge from having never heard of it, but I don't believe it's so well-known outside of socialist circles as to justify it not being glossed.
• "At Queen's, Childe was entered for a diploma in classical archaeology followed by a Bachelor of Literature degree, but did not complete the requirements for the former; here, he studied under John Beazley and Arthur Evans, the latter acting as his supervisor." - I honestly have no idea what the linking word "here" is meant to mean.

London and early books: 1922–1926

• "of outstanding importance" - This is a direct quote, but the citation at the end of the paragraph lists three different sources. Quotes need specific sources. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 16:16, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I've made a few minor copyedits, and, on the whole, this article looks pretty good. If you can at least get the tag fixed, I'm happy to promote to GA; the other things - whilst needing fixed - are small enough not to block. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 16:33, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for doing this Adam; it is much appreciated! I honestly cannot remember where the "Of outstanding importance" quote came from, so I have removed it and replaced it with non-quote text. My use of "here" meant "at Queen's College, Oxford"; I've altered the text to clarify this. Regarding the Fabian Society, I've mentioned that it is a "left-wing reformist" group". I am unsure as to how Childe specifically obtained the scholarship, so I have changed the text to "he gained a £200 Cooper Graduate Scholarship in Classics". Kind regards, Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2013 (UTC).

I made a few additional copyedits (your fix of the "here" created a sentence fragment, for instance), and think it's now at GA. clarifying the scholarship details would be a good thing to do moving forwards to FA, and it'd be useful to get a copyeditor in before FA, but this clearly is enough for GA. ✓ Pass Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 23:01, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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Don't worry about it! =) Honestly, I love a good historical or scientific article, and this one was a delightful mix of both. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 23:21, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations. LudicrousTripe (talk) 17:13, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Midnightblueowl, congrats on bringing this article to GA! You are a major factor in improving the entire Tintin topic (someday we will say featured topic!). The next one, The Broken Ear, I see has not a single reference, and the longest synopsis I think I have ever seen! Take care, and cheers, —Prhartcom (talk) 19:08, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

1966 Syrian coup d'état

I've done as you asked, and a bit more (I've copyedited the article and wrote another section, "party-to-party relations")... --TIAYN (talk) 15:53, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, its nice that someone appreciates my work. --TIAYN (talk) 13:09, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Gaddafi GAN

I would agree that everything necessary has been done. —Theodore! (talk) (contribs) 12:22, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Theodore!; if you are happy to go ahead and pass the article as a GA, then that would be much appreciated! Midnightblueowl (talk) 20:34, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Passed. I posted a quick rationale at the bottom of the review, at Talk:Muammar Gaddafi/GA1#Article passed. —Theodore! (talk) (contribs) 12:35, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Midnightblueowl, just an FYI: I installed the tool Curly Turkey gave us to check for the harv errors, and I see that nearly all of the references in this article has a harv error (in other words, clicking the reference usually does not link to the bibliography lower in the page due to providing the wrong author or year in the harvard reference, etc.). Just letting you know; I hope you get to fix them for the project's sake. It looks like a tremendous effort otherwise, well done and congrats! —Prhartcom (talk) 19:15, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

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British National Party

Hi. I've trimmed the British National Party article down a bit (10,000 bytes) and resubmitted it for GAN, in case you were able to review it. Thanks. James^x12345 16:37, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

GA Nominee British National Party

The whole article is seemingly written with the express purpose of tainting the readers' mindset against the party; it is reminiscent of a collage of bias and negativity. How this article can be considered worthy of GA status is beyond my perception. I assume you have looked through the extensive talk archives for how the article is perceived by others with a neutral mindset. Granted, James has trimmed some of the extensive bias and negativity from the article and has made efforts to create smaller articles. I did say to him when he previously deemed the article - as it stood at the prv. GA review - worthy of GA status that the article was just going to expand as more and more users added additional bias and negativity. (I never got a response to my final reply to James in the link.) There is potential with this article, but metaphorically editors are shooting themselves in the foot with how they choose construct and portray this article. To me, and others, it makes the inquisitive look beyond Wikipedia for balanced information on this party. I just hope you can ensure this article finally shows balance, neutrality, objectiveness and impartiality as you have the potential. Kindest regards. --82.3.162.93 (talk) 22:04, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

The problem is that any bias is very subtle, and we have to report what our sources say. Could you please make some specific suggestions? - it's fine to say there is bias, but that won't help to fix it. I am honestly trying to be impartial, but it not an easy article - that's why I asked Midnightblueowl, who has a superb record with highly contentious political articles, to review it. James^x12345 12:45, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you both for your comments. May I recommend that we take up this issue at Talk:British National Party/GA4 ? Kind regards, Midnightblueowl (talk) 13:02, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

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Hello. I saw you on the Noam Chomsky article before, and thought you might be at least slightly sympathetic.

I have apprehended, within Vietnam War, what I believe to be a mendacious and egregious misrepresentation of a source. The latter is in French, which is why I presume whoever committed this misdeed thought they might get away with it.

Here was the claim, which I have now corrected, from said article on Vietnam:

During the war, the Khmer Rouge caused several times more civilian casualties than the entire US bombing of Cambodia.^[27]

Now, I know the Khmer Rouge were nothing until the American bombing swooped Cambodians into their arms, and I know the truly staggering amount of ordnance the Americans devastated Cambodia with, so I looked at that claim and thought, "Bollocks." My suspicion was further inflated when I discerned that no page number was given. Now, my French is good enough, and so I ventured to check that [27] (a book by Marek Sliwinksi) for myself; indeed, the claim was a banquet of bollocks.

Here's the relevant text from p. 42 of Sliwinksi:

Le bilan humain de cette période de guerre civile est difficle a établir. Les chiffres avancés […] oscillent, pour le nombre des morts, entre 600 000 et 700 000, soit entre 7.7% et 9.6% de la population du pays selon évaluations les plus extremes. La cause principale de ces pertes serait les bombardment massifs de l'aviation américaine.

Here's the translation, which is straightforward enough even if one only has a schoolchild's command of French:

The human toll during this period of the civil war is difficult to establish. The figures advanced vary, for the number of deaths, between 600,000 and 700,000—in other words, between 7.7% and 9.6% of the population of the country, according to the most extreme estimates. The principal cause of these losses was the massive American aerial bombardment.

The underlined being the case, one is puzzled as to know how, in the period up to 1973 (the US bombing was brought to an end, if memory serves, on 15 October 1973), "the Khmer Rouge caused several times more civilian casualties than the entire US bombing of Cambodia". Yes, and so that is a truly outrageous misrepresentation of the source, do you not agree? I am prepared to go through the history of Vietnam War and find who added it. Unless they were a fool, it will have been an IP address, but you never know if a registered user thought they'd try their luck...

Anyway, all of this prattle is there simply so I might ask you, if it was a registered user, do you know what action I can take, if any? To whom should I take my complaint? LudicrousTripe (talk) 20:13, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

OK! Thanks! LudicrousTripe (talk) 20:27, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

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Wigwams and tipis

Hi. You realize that the image you've labeled wigwams in Tintin in America is of tipis? They're similar, but not the same. Also, I'd dropped the Blackfoot word if it's not used in the book itself, as the wigwam is known by different words in many, many different Amerindian languages. Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:13, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I see the problem. You're two tents. (Old joke.) Prhartcom (talk) 21:45, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Har-de-har-hartcom ;) Curly Turkey (gobble) 00:01, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Good point Curly! Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:50, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Crowley

I just saw this nomination appear on GAN and thought, "Wow, what badass is taking on that one?" Should have guessed.

Still waiting to hear back on the image re: Early Fidel, more soon-- Khazar2 (talk) 21:14, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

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Colonial attitudes in Tintin in the Congo

I found some sales figures for Tintin in the Congo in Mark McKinney's History and Politics in French-Language Comics and Graphic Novels, and added them to the article. There was also a passage that I found interesting, contrasting Hergé's colonial attitude to other Belgian cartoonists' (pages 171–172):

Not all Belgian comics artists shared Hergé's view: for example, in 1939 Jijé (the pseudonym of Joseph Gillain) created a new comics series, Blondin et Cirage [Blondy and Shoe-Black], whose protagonists are a white boy and his adoptive black brother. Cirage is more than a sidekick for Blondin: contrary to the docile and easily scared Coco in Tintin in the Congo, Cirage is very active and courageous, and whereas Coco only speaks in simplified French, Cirage speaks French as fluently as his white "brother." This friendlier approach toward blacks is also present in the Congo adventure of Tif et Tondu, serialized in the weekly Spirou (1939–40). Like Tintin in the Congo, this story deals with wild-animal hunting and bad Americans (who are hunting for the same animals [Spirou, July 6, 1939]), but in contrast to the Tintin story the Congolese take some initiative: for instance a friendly black helps his two white Belgian friends when evil Americans try to drown them.

I thought it was an interesting contrast, and showed that the right-wing colonial attitude was not universal at the time. I don't know if there's a good way to sneak this into the article, but I thought you might be interested in seeing it either way. Curly Turkey (gobble) 06:51, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually, if you can get ahold of the book, it's got a whole chapter on the Congo in Franco-Belgian comics that's pretty interesting (of course, TTitC pops up throughout it). Curly Turkey (gobble) 06:58, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

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By the way...

Is your username a reference to The Owl Service? (It's a longshot, but I thought I'd ask...) – Quadell ^(talk) 20:16, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Ah, afraid not, Quadell. I've never read that particular Garner novel, although I have read some of his other stuff. Interesting fellow; I will get back to working on his Wikipedia page one of these days... Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 20:27, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

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Hey. In The Broken Ear we're told that "second edition was published as a 62-page volume by Casterman in 1943. To reduce the length of the book, various sections were excised" ... how many pages was it originally? It's pretty surprising at that point to learn that this is the reduced number of pages. Curly Turkey (gobble) 02:55, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

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Hey is the Pentacle of the photo yours?? Which kind of shop should I go to get one of those? It's very nice really.. ha — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fireoffenix100 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid to say that it was taken so long ago that I really cannot remember. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 17:40, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh right,thanks anyway :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fireoffenix100 (talk • contribs) 23:49, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

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Dear Midnightblueowl, I am sorry to bother you. I have, I now think possibly foolishly, started a little page on Ralph Merrifield and hadn't realised when I started it we had the stuff already in your article on his book The Archaeology of Ritual and Magic. I don't know wheter to delete my thing and redirect of whether to use Marsden (and the other obits) to write something a bit bigger. Am just letting you know. If you would rather a redirect to your thing just let me know or do it and you could add the other obits. if you think them useful. Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 15:38, 11 November 2013 (UTC))

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Hi, Midnightblueowl. I note you requested a second editor's opinion regarding the above article back in September - particularly relating to neutrality - before accepting or declining the proposal for GA status. This article is still outstanding on the nominee page, as are others from this period in time. However, an editor has stated he/she will "list the article" in a few days' time if there are no objections. My concern is that this comment was made on the British National Party talk page on 9 November and I cannot see in my view history any update to inform me of the talk page being updated on that date and therefore, unless a genuine glitch has occurred, the 570+ watchers are being denied this notification and the request to propose edits, support or objection requested by the author of the message. I only discovered this message by pure chance.

I'm also unaware whether a single editor can bypass procedures regarding a second comprehensive review of a nominated article and solely elect to list an article as GA as the message seems to indicate?--82.3.162.160 (talk) 22:42, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this issue to my attention. I will head over there and take a look. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:32, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

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Hey, Midnightblueowl. I was reading Fidel Castro's article today and was wondering if you would ever nominate it to GA. I think you and others have done a good job and that the article is in really good shape. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 05:05, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

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All points have been addressed except one, which I had a question about. Thanks for the review, --1ST7 (talk) 23:44, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

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Given that this GAN has been open for over two months and there are still issues to be resolved, I think it should now be closed as a fail, and the article can be resubmitted when the issues have been addressed. I'd be prepared to work on the article to help working toward it being renominated. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 16:15, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I've formally closed the GAN. If you disagree with this let me know and I'll reverse everything. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 12:55, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Midnightblueowl, I see you are busy as usual improving many important articles of Wikipedia, and I want you to know you are inspiring to me and other editors. Best wishes and great success. Prhartcom (talk) 15:14, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

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I would like to thank you for your excellent work on Jack Parsons' article. In recent months I have developed a fascination and immense appreciation for his work, legacy and persona, so was delighted to visit his Wikipedia article and notice that it had been expanded so comprehensively.

There are some details which I think still need to be added to be article (I unaware of any future work you are planning to do on it):

• The occult ritual, drug experimentation and sexual promiscuity (including speculation about Parsons' sexuality) which occurred at the Parsonage, and the local outrage/moral panic resulting from it, and also the ensuing undercover FBI article into Parsons.
• The fact that the technologies he invented were used in NASA missions such as the Apollo 13 landings.
• Regarding the home explosion: Parsons testified as an expert scientist at the murder trial of a car bombing mobster (whose name I cannot recall presently). Some have theorized that the explosion was a revenge attack by organized criminals connected to the convicted mobster; this theory probably deserves more than a passing mention. There is also the conspiracy theory that Parsons was assassinated by the U.S. government agents either and/or for his overt political dissidence and apparent mishandling of official secrets, which both particularly relate to his Soviet sympathies.
• Unfortunately there seems to be some technical/formatting errors with a few of the references? I assume this can be sorted out quite simply.
• I also believe we should consider renaming the article to "Jack Parsons (rocket scientist)", given that "Jack Parsons" yields many more search engine results than the present title. The infobox title could remain as JWP.

I own Carter's biography, which I have read thoroughly, so hope to contribute in my own capacity. I would like to think this could become an FA by the time of Parsons' centennial in 2014. JJARichardson (talk) 16:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words of encouragement, JJARichardson, they are much appreciated ! I can confirm that I intend to continue working on the article in the coming months, and I intend to focus my efforts on including the information contained within the Carter biography. My thoughts were primarily to get the page to GA (as I have recently done for Aleister Crowley), but the idea of getting it on to FA in time for the 2014 Parsons centenary sounds like an excellent idea to me too ! I am more than happy to see the page renamed "Jack Parsons (rocket scientist)" but I suggest that you take that up at the talk page, so that anyone can express an objection if they so wish. With all best wishes, Midnightblueowl (talk) 16:49, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

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Appreciate your thoughtful responses on there. Bluntly speaking, Thepalerider2012 is trolling. I've had to remove two of his egregiously inflammatory comments from the talk page in the last ~18 hours. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 20:58, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your message NeilN. Would there be an appropriate administrator who should be informed about the behaviour exhibited by this user (I would avoid using "he" as they might, of course, be female) ? I must admit that despite my many years as an editor here at Wikipedia, I am still far too unfamiliar with procedures such as this and would not want to break any rules or guidelines in dealing with problematic editors. Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:05, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I've given them a "second" and "third-level" warning for using the talk page for inappropriate discussion (saying they were glad the subject was dead and saying the subject killed children). A fourth-level warning will follow if they continue in that vein and then, if they don't stop, a report to the admins will be made (I'll be keeping an eye on the talk page). Although Mandela has died, WP:BLP still applies for a while and so talk page posts should be made accordingly. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 21:13, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I'd say that repeatedly asserting that Mandela was a "communist and atheist" is enough for a fourth level warning, NeilN. Not that I see anything wrong with individuals who are convinced by communism or atheism, but I think that in this instance the user is stating these things to be provocative. Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:20, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

In theory I agree with you but in practice they made that and the killed children comment almost at the same time so they get one warning to knock it off, not two (you're supposed to give the editor a chance to stop before you warn again). Anyways, on another matter, I did purchase Mandela's autobiography last night and look forward to reading it. The only caution I would have about using it so heavily as a source is WP:SELFPUB. You state that historians accept it as broadly accurate but in order to mitigate some of the sourcing criticism, independent sources should also be used that chronicle Mandela's involvement with certain groups. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 22:31, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I hope that you enjoy the book, NeilN. It's an interesting read. Certainly, the broad outline of events fits very closely with what subsequent biographers and historians believe happened. However, in the last year or two, the historian Stephen Ellis has explored a lot of the archive material and has put together a fairly good case that Mandela really had joined the Communist Party, whereas in his autobiography, he insisted that he didn't because he couldn't accept all of the tenets of Marxism. However, in the Mandela article we only use the autobiography when directly quoting Mandela's opinion on something, or where it is also backed up by other sources, so I really think that it does fit the WP:SELFPUB regulations. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 23:00, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you NeilN, but out of the blue, the problem editor has proceeded to launch a personal attack against me over at Talk:Nelson_Mandela#blurb_in_Influence_and_Legacy_clearly_slanted. Do you think that you could issue them another warning, and any penalties that that behaviour then entails ? Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 23:11, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Please see here. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 01:43, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Cheers, NeilN. All the best! Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:12, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks Quadell; as it is, the user has had their three warnings. If they proceed to act in a disruptive manner, then I shall let you know. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:21, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

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Tintin (character)

Hello Midnightblueowl, hope all is well. I wonder if you have a moment to take a look at the new "Tintin (character)" article. I am about 80% done with it. The new article is currently on my sandbox here: User:Prhartcom/sandbox The old, existing article hasn't been overwritten yet and is here: Tintin (character). I am just to the point where I am looking at the old article and seeing what is useful and should be brought forward into the new article. But there is too much material in the old article even if it all might be good; I can't bring over very much. But then we risk losing work that others have toiled over and refined. What passages should be brought over and what should be left behind? Can you please offer your thoughts? Prhartcom (talk) 06:31, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello there Prhartcom; I will have a look and get back to you. Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:19, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey Prhartcom; I'd recommend that you just do the change wholeheartedly, tbh. This is an instance where a radical overhaul will probably be of more use than minor tampering. I've just finished building upboth Popol out West and The Adventures of Totor (both of which are now awaiting GAR), and also The Black Island (although the Synopsis section there needs a lot of work before I will even consider sending it to GAR), and will hopefully be able to get over to Tintin (character) to lend a hand at some point. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 14:36, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank-you, Midnighblueowl, I will. I have just finished carefully examining the existing article very closely and made copious notes throughout, and have decided just which portions I will keep. These portions amount to only about ten percent of the existing article; the rest will be jettisoned. I appreciate your encouragement to do so, as I normally pay respect to those who edited before me. I will be submitting this article for GAR after I am done; it will be my first; perhaps you can offer your assistance doing so? Thanks again. Prhartcom (talk) 15:31, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Don't be scared of deleting and replacing the work of others if it is not up to standard, Prhartcom. As it currently stands, the vast majority of the Tintin (character) page is poorly referenced, whatever good intentions those who have added to it might have had. When I was preparing the Nelson Mandela, Muammar Gaddafi, and Aleister Crowley pages for GAR, I had to replace the work of hundreds, if not thousands of well-meaning contributors, and basically write the articles from scratch in order to ensure quality control. Being bold is encouraged here at Wikipedia. Let me know when you've made your changes to the page and I will have a look through and help you get it to GA; all the best. Midnightblueowl (talk) 15:58, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Your encouragement is extremely appreciated, Midnightblueowl. Now I have my big favor to ask: As you are the owner of more Tintin reference material than I, would you be so kind as to consult the indices (or probably first chapter) of your favorite references, especially Benoît Peeters from Tintin and the World of Hergé (or anyone not yet cited on the article in my sandbox), and locate some excellent quotes about Tintin, the character? I am asking for you to type the quote itself, plus the author/title/page number, onto my talk page. I would then write the prose using the information from the quote and I would format and cite the references. I realize this would take up your time but perhaps not too much? Thanks for your consideration! Prhartcom (talk) 18:15, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

We'll see; it'll be a lot easier and quicker for me to simply add the referenced information to the Tintin (character) article, and then let you play around with it, move it around etc, from there. Let me know when you've gone ahead and begun making your big changes to the article, and then I'll try and ensure that I get to use the reference books that I have. Midnightblueowl (talk) 18:07, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

It's done. I'm happy with it; I believe it is an improvement. Please feel free to edit more improvements to it yourself as you see fit. Do you think it can be submitted for WP:FAR? (The other character articles after this can just be submitted for GAR.) Prhartcom (talk) 05:06, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

That's a definite, clear improvement, Prhartcom. Well done! I will try and make some additions over the next few days, then I think you should take it to GAR. It's definitely not ready for FAC yet though; believe me, getting an article to FA status is really quite hard, and the majority of applications fail, usually over very trivial things. For instance, see my recent failed attempt to get Tintin in America to FA – I think that that article should have definitely passed, considering Soviets and Congo passed, but that's just the way that the cookie crumbles. Best for now, Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:55, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Appreciated! (P.S. I ensured there is no passive voice in it!) I am disappointed to hear that about the FAR; I still think I should try for it with your help and support, mainly because it is the Tintin article after all, not one of the lesser main character articles. I still intend to take the main article to FA also after working so hard on it, even though you refused my first request to help me with it. Question about WP:NFCC: Do you think I could convince everyone that File:TintinandtheWorldofHerge-BookCover.gif passes all ten criteria and may further illustrate the article? I just want one more image of Tintin in there. Prhartcom (talk) 13:46, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong, I think that at some point, you will be able to get Tintin (character) to FA, but my advice is simply not to jump the boat. Go for GAR first. Getting things through FAC is really difficult and time consuming. Again, I'd recommend that you have a look at the recent Tintin in America failed FAR here to get an impression of how tough it can be. Regarding the image, I really don't know to be honest, I'm not terribly experienced with that kind of thing. Sorry I can't be of more help there; when in doubt with images, I tend to hedge my bets and be very cautious. Midnightblueowl (talk) 14:02, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Understood, and I appreciate your candor, as always. Here's mine: Thanks for pointing me to your review; looking over this and other reviews I have seen, it appears to me that one can sail through a FAR if one mostly agrees with the suggestions made by the wiser heads reviewing it. Any pushback (while seemingly justified!) will be ultimately unsatisfactory to the reviewers and they will lose interest. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 14:22, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey Prhartcom, I've just had a look at all the work you've been doing over at Tintin (character), and I must say that I'm impressed. There's some good stuff there. I will endeavour to look at the other sources that I have at my disposal, and incorporate them into the article over the coming week. I'll also bring up a few issues on the talk page, and then I think that this will be a very good candidate for GAR, which I hope you will take it to. We can further look into FAC in the new year (perhaps as another joint nomination ?) Midnightblueowl (talk) 15:19, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey, really sorry but my home internet is down and will be till early January. Could you bear with emu.til then ? Midnightblueowl, 22 December 2013.

Sorry to hear about the lack of Internet; it's hard to believe you would be able to survive without it; I certainly couldn't!

Absolutely Midnightblueowl, I would be interested in working with you in the New Year on another joint nomination! So, I am taking this article to FA; it will be the other character articles that I take to GA; this one is for FA. There is a little bit more work to do first, however, and I would be honoured if you would help by adding a Peeters quote (to the Legacy section) and adding more information about Tintin from Peeters (to the Characterisation section), as well as adding from any other sources you believe are missing from the bibliography. Please check what you write to ensure it is written in active voice. I appreciate this, Midnightblueowl, as I do not have access to Peeters' book. Yes, let us use the article talk page when you return to communicate about this article. By then I will have completed some improvements I see are needed. I greatly look forward to working with you, dear Midnightblueowl! Cheers to you! Prhartcom (talk) 17:54, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks Prhartcom, hope you've had a good festive break. I only just got my internet connection back this morning, so will try and get to work on the Tintin (character) page in the next few days. All the best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:39, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

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Sorry I didn't get there on time... I'm back home, so ping me when you put it up at FAC again. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:05, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

No worries, Crisco, my internet was down so I was unable to respond to any FA comments anyway. Will hopefully re-submit it soon, and when I do, I shall let you know! Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:41, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

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