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mountain meadows editing

just want them to tell the truth about the mormons killing all those people at mountain meadows.

it was whitewashed in 2004 due to romneys presidential run — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.249.159 (talk) 00:08, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Your conspiracy theory falls apart as the lead changes you are protesting were made in 2012, not 2004. Furthermore, Romney's runs were in 2008 and 2012. As noted in the linked discussion, I was involved in that discussion, and I assure you I have no interest in giving the Mormon church PR, as my edit history can attest. So accusing me of being part of a conspiracy won't get you very far. May I instead suggest you address the points made in the debate if you feel the lead should be changed. Dave (talk) 00:36, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

conspiracy theory oh please. I did not accuse you so settle down and Romney ran for president as soon as bush started his 2nd term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.249.159 (talk) 00:34, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

roadtraffic-technology.com blacklist

Hi I saw your post on Talk:Cyberpower678 because this URL is blacklisted on another page (Jiaozhou Bay Bridge) and I was wondering you mentioned "I see the investigation is ongoing" .. do you know where that is? -- GreenC 16:27, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Apparently all sites owned by "Kable", a UK based aggregater site have been blacklisted, including this one. The discussion is going in at [1], but you have to scroll down a bit. It seems like the pendulum swung too far on this one. Dave (talk) 16:49, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

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Four Corners
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You're too kind Gerda, thanks. Dave (talk) 17:11, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for today's U.S. Route 50 in Nevada

Seven years now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you today for Interstate 70 in Colorado, about "easily one of the more notable highways in the U.S., due to the engineering required to build it"! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:30, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for all your kind words. I'm not as active as I used to be, but I'm trying to come back. Dave (talk) 00:50, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

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Interstate 8

Hey! Hope all is well. If you get a chance, could you take a look at I-8? It's at ACR right now, but if you don't have time for a full review, that's okay. It's the most complex article I've done, so I'm a bit unsure about it. --Rschen7754 05:31, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

OK. I'll try to get to it this week. Thanks for the heads up. Dave (talk) 04:38, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

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Yet another User:Link Smurf sock

Another eolgi User:Core72 Meters (talk) 02:07, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks got it. Sigh, this guy is persistant, I'll give him that.Dave (talk) 02:17, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks for the feedback. I have tried to abbreviate the hook and caption without losing meaning.Dave (talk) 06:44, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: Done, thank you. Dave (talk) 17:26, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Interstate 510 Arizona

Hi Moabdave, you recently left a message on my talk page regarding to I-510 ever being sighed, and did I have further information. Unfortunately, I do not. I did not add the part of I-510 formally existing on State Route 51 article, I only added the info box. If you feel it never existed you can remove I-510 designation off the article.Geography240 (talk) 22 June 2017 (UTC)

I was just curious. It's been a problem with that article ever since I joined Wikipedia, and has been removed and re-added several times. I was hoping you had a source that helped clear things up so the issue could be resolved for once and for all.Dave (talk) 15:50, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Okay, Thank you.Geography240 (talk) 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks. The article went through the FA process quite a while ago, It probably does need fixes. I'll start going through it.Dave (talk) 07:49, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks, Happy New Year Dave (talk) 02:53, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

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Finally finished up with my CITEREF/Harvnb cleanup on Mountain Meadows Massacre. The present result is not perfect but a far sight better than the previous mangled-refs version. What happened... eons ago in Wikipedia-time (2010 to the outside world) an editor parked an enormous amount of "Harvnb" style cites/references - 92 in all within the article and much of that content remained unused in the intervening years. For instance, most of the 13 Brigham Young/"Discourses" Harvnb cites, etc., etc. - with some being commented out or just sitting there like lumps in the middle of the text...) Anyway, I'm pretty sure there are still some stray Harvnb's but for the most part the major issues have been fixed. Maybe I'll come back to it at some point and finish cleaning-up & all the editing niceties. Taking a break from the "Massacre" for a while. Shearonink (talk) 21:06, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

And the present panorama pic looks much better. Shearonink (talk) 21:06, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

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US 50 Bus. in Carson City

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@Ljthefro:, Thanks for that. If I need to eat crow so be it. What I can say is currently there is no signage for US 50 Business anywhere anymore. I do recall the sign on Google Street view the IP editor references, but it wasn't there for long. (note the IP editor had to use the historical view to find it. It's not there anymore) It also used a non-standard font that led me to believe the city put it up. The signage for US-395 Business is all but gone. It's still signed at the I-580 exits on the ends of town, but all signage downtown is gone. Dave (talk) 15:15, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

As a followup, during the redo's of the major intersections guide for the I-580 re-alignments, it looks like all links to SR 530 were eliminated. I understand why, but as all of those tables mention William Street by name, and an article exists for William Street (under the SR 530 title) I re-added them. Let me know if you think that should be undone, or just do it. Dave (talk) 17:35, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

City of San Francisco train wreck

You're right, it was here (40.57573, -116.29903). Tom (talk)

Nevada business routes

Hi Dave. Thanks for that edit on I-80 NV article. But I saw in your edit reason ("Per the SMBook (NDOT reference used throughout this article) there is no US95 Business. As of the 2019 edition the only remaining US BUS route in Nevada is US93BUS inBoulder City") and wanted to clarify it. There are still a few recognized US Business routes in Nevada, which are signed from freeways and at varying degrees along their surface routes. The other routes include US 95 BUS in Las Vegas (cataloged as SR 599), US 395 BUS in Carson City (now locally maintained), and US 395 BUS in Reno (partially SR 430, partially US 395 ALT, and partially locally maintained). US 93 Business in Boulder City is unique in that it's a state-maintained business route cataloged as a US business route number—it seems NDOT disregarded the former practice of giving a separate state highway number to state-maintained business routes (I expected NDOT to catalog the Boulder City route as an extension of SR 172, another SR 17x, or use/revive a low 500 number). It's similar to how there are several signed I-80 BUS loops in Nevada, but you won't find I-80 BUS in the SMH book—any state-maintained portions of these I-80 BUS loops are cataloged by their SR or FR number. -- LJ ↗ 15:56, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction. It sounds like I did the right thing, but for the wrong reason. Glad you were there to fix it. I've been that way many times, including within the past 3 months. And if US-95 Business is signed, it's a brand new development. Dave (talk) 02:05, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

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On 11 April 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Uinta Basin Rail, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that some of the proposed routes for the current effort to build a Uinta Basin Rail line are based on routes surveyed more than 100 years ago? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Uinta Basin Rail. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Uinta Basin Rail), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Is U.S. Route 395 a primary route?🤔

Hey Dave, is U.S. Route 395 a primary route? Is that route popular? Not sure about that. I’ve seen people drive that highway many times. Please reply if I’m wrong. Oh, and I forgot, it existed in the U.S. route system.

Officially, per the numbering guidelines set by AASHTO for U.S. Highways, U.S. Route 395 is a spur of U.S. Route 95, not a primary route. That may seem strange to you, and it is. However, remember the US Highway system was formed in the 1920s, so it's almost a 100 year old system. This country has evolved a lot over the years, and some highways have gained importance, while others have lost importance in those 100 years. Dave (talk) 04:20, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Nevada Subdivision

Is there any specific reason(s) you marked the page as unreviewed and there was something I missed, or perhaps it was accidental? It appears that you had re-reviewed it shortly after. WaddlesJP13 (talk | contributions) 20:44, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

@WaddlesJP13:It was accidental. My apologies. Dave (talk) 20:49, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

@Moabdave: That's what I assumed, no worries. WaddlesJP13 (talk | contributions) 20:50, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you very much for correcting my lead section error on Weso, Nevada. I'm surprised it stayed there for that long without me correcting it. I forgot to remove it when I was copying the infobox from Borax, Nevada for me to work on and I guess I brought the lead from there with me. Waddles 🗩 🖉 03:17, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

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Miner's spade marker article

If you can find the CHPW journal article that you saw about the miner's spade identification which you mentioned at Talk:California State Route 49, please do. I don't know if you saw my recent comment at Talk:List of state highways in California#Spade vs. acorn and subsequent alteration to the infobox, but that article would help. You probably know your way around the journal better anyway – frankly, I found the above info via a 1998 Usenet message (#12) that I recently rediscovered.

Incidentally, the HMDB page mentioned on the SR 49 talk page is not permissible since the quote in question is not the same as the marker legend, which itself isn't really helpful in said context.

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@Mapsax: Page 11 ,left column, of this issue [2] This is a tough one for me. I fully grant you are correct. I have never seen a source explicitly say SR 49 was so numbered for the 49ers. But yet there are soooooo many articles that use SR 49 and the 49ers in the same sentence, that I honestly don't see how it could be a co-incidence. But if we can't find a source, we can't find a source. Sigh. Dave (talk) 02:27, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the article link. See what I've done with the infobox. Mapsax (talk) 03:01, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

The compromise that you did on the SR 49 article is probably the best that we can get at this point. It's so tantalizingly close to saying 49 = 1849, but no. (I got rid of some line breaks to keep the text in a single block). I didn't change this, but I prefer to use the Internet Archive to cite the CHPW journal because you can isolate individual pages and not make anyone who wants to review the cite download a multi-page .pdf, but a source is a source. (Of course, of course.) Mapsax (talk) 00:58, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

@Mapsax: agree that Internet Archive would be better for those reasons. What would be even better yet might be to create a source-specific template, like we did with {{AASHTO minutes}}. In time, we may be transcribing CHPW to Wikisource, meaning we could flip links to individual issues to point to the Wikisource copies over the Internet Archive copies if desired just by editing the template and not be forced to edit individual Wikipedia articles. One issue is done on Wikisource, and it's a time-consuming process, but very worthwhile if we made it a priority at some point. Imzadi 1979 → 01:16, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

That's an interesting POV. As mine is exactly the opposite. I'd much rather download a PDF and search in any one of a number of very well done PDF viewers, than deal with some javascript applet that may or may not be easy to navigate for someone that is as clumsy as I am. But again, as long as it's documented, that's what counts. Dave (talk) 03:37, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

The Internet Archive has a download link and various search tools. It also works on slower connections without requiring a reader to download the full file to view. Imzadi 1979 → 18:53, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

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I believe you missed this question, which asked:

When you say “asked for opinions on the re-word privately” can you explain what forum you asked in, and which editors you asked/are members of that forum?

Would you also be willing to post any discussions you had there, so that the rest of us can understand the full background to this proposal?

And was in response to part of your proceeding comment, which said:

This specific wording came from Rschen7754, who has a number of essays, rants, and questions on this subject in his userspace. I reworded proposal1, and asked for opinions on the re-word privately. But the changes were not discussed publicly.

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I did not respond to this request because I do not believe it is reasonable. I stand by the answer previously given, and believe it is all that needs to be said. Regardless, I'm not comfortable responding to such a request. From my limited understanding of privacy law, this may be an illegal request, as complying may run afoul with privacy laws of jurisdictions that have 2-party/all-party consent provisions which include, or courts have interpreted to include, electronic communications. Dave (talk) 07:02, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks, timing is perfect for some good morning cheer. Cheers to you as well.Dave (talk) 16:50, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

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Hello, I've renominated Interstate 40 in Tennessee as an FA candidate again after addressing the remaining outlying comments that I was unable to get to before the first nomination was archived. I've also made a few additional recommended improvements. Bneu2013 (talk) 04:45, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Update - I've responded to your additional comments at the FAC, and thought I might let you know that they are threatening to archive it again in the next few days if it doesn't pick up a support, if you didn't already know about that. I'm not trying to pressure you, but I'm confident that the article isn't far away from passing. You actually already seemed to indicate that already. Bneu2013 (talk) 06:02, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately this is all but the inevitable outcome at this point. The lone vote after 3 weeks is a struck oppose. I doubt that vote will be given any kind of serious consideration. I see that vote was based on a desire to make a point, and not based on any actual reading of the article. But still, that leaves the article 3 weeks without a support vote. Even if myself and EpicGenius voted support right now, it's still not enough to pass. Given I found sourcing issues with my most recent read, I can't in good faith vote support just yet. However, as all problems I've found so far are minor, I have no doubt this article is close to Featured Article status. Months ago I promised I would review your article, and I will finish my review regardless of the outcome of this FAC, a promise is a promise. I frankly wish you had asked me to start reviewing the article outside of FAC, and waited until that review was finished before renominating it. That way I could have voted "support-I recently reviewed this article" and hopefully inspired others to review it. Reviewing this article will take time, it's a Loooonnnnng article. Compared to my FAC nominations, its' easily 3x my FAC nominations for similar length highways: Interstate 70 in Colorado, Interstate 70 in Utah and U.S. Route 50 in Nevada. I can only review a chunk at a time on an article this long. Reviewing is not one of my talents, but you have to give reviews to receive reviews. But again, I will keep my promise and finish my review of this article regardless if the FAC times out or not. Best of luck.Dave (talk) 11:11, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm unsure of what sourcing issues you are referring to, as I have tried to ensure that everything in this article is thoroughly sourced. But I realize now that I should have asked you and others to review before renominating. After this, I'm not going to keep renominating this article. Bneu2013 (talk) 15:54, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

It was the personal website, which again you fixed. FYI. I'm reviewing more of the article as I type this. I hope you're not dispirited about this. I'd hate to lose yet another roads editor (we've lost so many as the Wikipedia politics get worse every year). I'd say please don't take it personally. IMHO, the article is very thorough, but it is very long, that will put some people off. Then the timing kinda sucks. Your nomination hit right as the fighting about maps, and especially Google maps started. That undoubtedly also has some people scared off until the dust settles and we know how this will play out. Dave (talk) 16:15, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I probably should have also waited until the RfC was closed. Do you know of anyone who would be willing to copyedit? It appears GOCE requests are taking months to pick up reviewers now. I don't plan to quit editing road articles, and actually have some others that I am currently working to get to GA status, as well as some pending nominations. While I think some of the objections to interpreting maps at the RfC went too far, I am pleased that the overall outcome held that visual interpretations of maps does not always constitute OR. Bneu2013 (talk) 22:16, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

WP:GOCE where the editors who are really good at copy-editing hang out. However, there are other venues where you can ask for help. WP:Peer Review is more of a quid-pro-quo system of I'll review yours if you review mine, and the reviewer is likely mostly doing it for that quid-pro-quo. Still I've gotten good reviews there. Another place to consider is WP:USRD/ACR. That's an internal process within the US Roads Wikiproject. It's basically their "Featured Article pre-nomination prep area". That's both good and bad. Ideally you'd like an article reviewed by both a fellow road nerd and someone with more general interests, but the good news is because it is internal to the roadgeek project, it's more sympathetic and slower paced than FAC is. Dave (talk) 16:17, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

They've archived it again. This is staring to get ridiculous; they've kept plenty of FACs open longer than this. I don't get the rush. That being said, I may try one more time, but I'm starting to think I'm promoting a lost cause. Bneu2013 (talk) 17:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

That's unfortunate. To be fair I think the FAC nomination was a bit premature. I usually try to have 4 reviews by peers before entering the lions den of FAC. I think that would have benefited this article too. However, that only explains half of why your article was struggling to get reviews. There is also some unfortunate politics. There has always been a divide between those that think Wikipedia should mirror what the college of humanities at an ivy league school would produce, and, those in the trenches who write articles that are read and used by the average reader. But sadly, the longstanding traditions of how those two groups navigated around each other and even managed to relatively peacefully co-exist seem to be failing now. I have my own theories about why that is, and what's next for Wikipedia. However, those are better discussed over a beer at a bowling alley than here. Dave (talk) 00:14, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

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Hello, I would like to try one more time to get Interstate 40 in Tennessee to FA status. Since the last review I have made a few improvements. But I was wondering, if I were to nominate right now, would you support the article in its current form? Thanks. Bneu2013 (talk) 06:33, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Update - the article has just received a GOCE copyedit. Bneu2013 (talk) 22:17, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Having received a thorough copyedit, I've decided to try one more time. Hopefully I can finally get it on the main page this time. Bneu2013 (talk) 01:23, 11 August 2023 (UTC) w

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Following up something you said in a closed thread

I'm following up here because the conversation you mentioned this in is now closed. I hope that's the right thing to do? I keep getting wiki etiquette wrong lately.

I hope I've got the right user, were you "Dave" in the discussion on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents?

You mentioned something about a disruptive editor and I think the user who was being discussed is trying to do something similar to what you described on another page.

Two pages were merged by consensus serveal months ago (I'll try to find a link to that discussion), which that user disagreed with, and since then they seem to have been persistently removing material relating to the broader topic that the smaller pages got merged into.

They point to WP:ONUS which in each individual case would be justified, but they remove so much that they make properly discussing it unachievable. They often don't raise a discussion on the talk page, and when they do I've almost never seen more than one person agrees that the material needed to be removed.

They also devise metrics of what counts as notable or relevant, which on the surface sound reasonable, but which seem to be having the cumulative effect of introducing some fairly severe bias to the page, skewing towards the narrower page that got merged into the broader topic.

I think a lot of potentially valuable contributers have given up editing the page, because that one user makes it feel rather futile to add anything.

I can't quite fathom their agenda, I initially presumed it was political, but now I'm really not sure.

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The thread was closed as no consensus for any sanction. So weather you or I think their should have been is now irrelevant. If you want to start another thread at WP:ANI or WP:RFAR or wherever, that's your choice. I normally try to avoid drama on here. All I did was reply to someone else's battle at ANI with my own experience. Even that was against my better judgement. Wikipedia is run, and survives by volunteer labor. While the result is amazing, the downside is that everybody participates with their own vision of what Wikipedia should be, and that creates a lot of conflict. It's not like a paid job where you participate with the expectation that it is your boss's vision that will win, not yours. So that's an unfortunate consequence, you need thick skin to work here. However, I lament that things seem to be getting worse, not better. Many of WMF's efforts to make this a more hospitable place to work seem to have backfired. Que sera sera. Good luck and all the best, Dave (talk) 14:31, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

I am somewhat regretting replying to that thread myself. Yours seems like a good philosophy.

What do got mean by "Many of WMF's efforts to make this a more hospitable place to work seem to have backfired"? though if you don't want to elaborate, that's ok.

Thanks for the reply.

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The WMF has a publicly stated goal of recruiting more authors that are female and/or from the developing world. However, the actual result of several initiatives have done just the opposite, by making the editing environment more hostile to new editors who don't know the rules. Nowadays we somehow expect a new editor to have a dozen policies plus the manual of style memorized by their 2nd edit. Ten years ago, most people start editing wikipedia because "hey this article doesn't mention x. Maybe I can add that" or "Wikipedia doesn't have an article about Y, maybe I could write one." While those edits rarely complied with policy or the manual of style, they were usually at least tolerated as "it is an improvement." Such editors were usually watched to see if their editing improved or not before any sanctions were issued. Today, a new editor cannot even create a new article, that ability has been completely revoked. Now they have to go through the bureaucratic AFC and/or NPP processes, which can take months and the submission rejected for the flimsiest of reasons. Also, the culture now seems to reward not the people who make improvements to articles, but those who spray paint articles with big orange tags that all in one form or another say the same thing, "the people who wrote this article are idiots, but fear not, I put this big orange tag on it to save you from yourself." IMHO we need to get back to incentivizing article improvement, not article tag warfare. Dave (talk) 22:33, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

"Hey this article doesn't mention x. Maybe I can add that" Now anyone doing that casually is completely wasting their time, that stuff gets instantly deleted pending discussions, and nobody will bother fighting for something added by an anonymous IP addressed account? Actually, I will sometimes, but the people who disappear that stuff usually don't even bother mentioning it on the talk page? Irtapil (talk) 10:59, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

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