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DYK for Tyler Thornburg

Thanks from the DYK team. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Ross Youngs and Philip Humber's perfect game

Hi, I have reviewed Ross Youngs and placed it on hold for up to seven days with some concerns. You can see my review here: Talk:Ross Youngs/GA1. Canadian Paul 21:20, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

I have now also reviewed Philip Humber's perfect game at Talk:Philip Humber's perfect game/GA1. Canadian Paul 23:40, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Great. I'll get on them during the week. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:44, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Cotton Tierney

Thank-you from the DYK helpers and Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Philip Humber's perfect game/GA1

Feel free to come by Talk:Philip Humber's perfect game/GA1. Please comment about any concerns that you may address so that I can understand what is going on.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:53, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

1. What do you think about the quotes? Should we remove/replace them? – Muboshgu (talk) 06:48, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Oxley

Yngvadottir (talk) 16:04, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Carlos Correa (baseball)

Thank you from the DYK team at English Wikipedia. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:13, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

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Request for review

Hi there again, Muboshgu! I was just wondering whether you could help review the 20–20–20 club list I nominated. I understand that you're extremely busy, so there's no need to commit to any reviewing and take as long as you need (as I have just nominated the list). I know that you placed a notability tag on this list almost a year ago, but I think it has come a long way since last year, as I have completely revamped the article and structured it similarly to the existing "stat club" lists that are FLs. Just a quick scan through would be great. Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:36, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Illinois's 1st congressional district election, 2000

Hello Muboshgu, I have stepped up to review Illinois's 1st congressional district election, 2000, an article which you nominated for GA. Specific details regarding my review can be seen here: Talk:Illinois's 1st congressional district election, 2000/GA2. Regards, --12george1 (talk) 23:43, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Tyler Clippard

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GA review

So you know, I'm reviewing Phil Nevin for GA.--Batard0 (talk) 13:05, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ed Carfrey

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:03, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Finger (gesture)

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DYK for Robert Refsnyder

Yngvadottir (talk) 08:02, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Carthage44

I see you have been having trouble with this user as well. He has just undone some more of your revisions, thought you might like to know. AutomaticStrikeout (talk) 20:53, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

I saw, and brought it to WT:BASEBALL. I need to leave in a few minutes and don't have the patience for this malarkey anyway. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:54, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

So I see. It's not the first time I have had trouble with the user either. AutomaticStrikeout (talk) 20:58, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

I believe he has now reverted one of your edits to Kevin Youkilis. I'm not too versed in how to deal with images that have copyright issues, so I'll let you handle it. AutomaticStrikeout (talk) 20:05, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. I reverted it. The image should be deleted soon, but it'll take time. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem, but I doubt the revert will last long. AutomaticStrikeout (talk) 20:14, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

He appears to have gone on the war path again. How much longer is this going to be tolerated? AutomaticStrikeout (talk) 12:39, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Edwar Ramírez

The article Edwar Ramírez you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Edwar Ramírez for things which need to be addressed. Jonayo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 15:27, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Jeter

It is a weak oppose, most definitely. I'll try to look at the rest of the article in the next day or two and may do some copy-editing. I'll certainly be done by the end of the week, by which time I will probably strike the oppose at the very least. Sarastro1 (talk) 23:12, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate it. It's fair to say the prose still needs a little work, but I sure hope it's close enough to passing that all it needs is another week or two's worth of work. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:13, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Tyler Clippard

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Jeter FA

It's coming along nicely. Just a heads up that I will be on vacation for 1-2 weeks around the middle of next week. No need to rush on your part.—Bagumba (talk) 17:31, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I'd like to get it done ASAP, but with GA's up for review in the backlog drive and real work I need to be on top of, it's taken a little longer to finish the Jeter FA than I hoped. But, I'm sure I'll respond to all of those points in the near future. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:40, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

I feel bad, as this article is already of higher quality than a lot of FA sports articles. However, this is going to be even greater once its all done, especially with the comments from the non-baseball fans. If you haven't seen it, you might find Wikipedia:Make technical articles understandable helpful, if you think of this as a technical baseball article. In some cases, lay-readers will just need to gloss over areas; still its best to summarize key points where possible, while being careful to not "dumb it down" too much for baseball readers. Keep up the good work.—Bagumba (talk) 05:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Don't feel bad. I sorta feel bad for not finishing it sooner, as it allowed two non-baseball editors to come in and find more faults. But you're right, it'll be better off once it's done. I will finish off all of your comments in the next week. (BTW how do you feel about the A-Rod/Jeter feud now? I can add a little more, or is it enough detail and just in need of some smoothing over?) I'll give that page a read. Some of this is that I forgot to link terms like free agent and triple (baseball). – Muboshgu (talk) 14:57, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Dock Ellis

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Andrew Heaney

I've reviewed your DYK nom of Andrew Heaney and found a couple of small issues that need your attention. Thanks - Basement12 (T.C) 15:05, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Architecture of Póvoa de Varzim

Can you revisit Template:Did you know nominations/Architecture of Póvoa de Varzim? Thanks. :) --LauraHale (talk) 03:11, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Whoops. Sorry I missed that. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:50, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Lorinda de Roulet

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Clemente et al

Greetings M.

1) Until I hear otherwise, I'm assuming my restoration in footnote form of most of the material lost in your later revert (i.e. the HOF waiting period correction & additions) woks 4U

2) Regarding your initial 'undo' (i.e. re the 1971 post-season), I appreciate your feedback and the encouragement to 'try again.' OTOH, B4 doing so, since your entire critique consisted of quoting my opening sentence (& since this particular contribution of mine was/is obviously a relatively large & labor-intensive one), I wanted 2B absolutely clear on what you're saying before I proceed. Should I assume that your objections are NOT to the substance or length of my contribution but simply relating to matters of inappropriate/inconsistent language/style (e.g. excessively informal, conversational wording etc.). If it is indeed only the latter, that's not hard to fix; in any case, please let me know, one way or the other. Thanks again for your attention to this matter --DavidESpeed (talk) 14:35, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on DYK prep area issue

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DYK for Vincent de Roulet

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Template:Did you know nominations/Ed Barrow

Hi Muboshgu, I've reviewed the article linked above and there is an issue with the reference formatting. Please respond at the nomination. Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Jeter FA again

Hi. At the talkpage, we had an interchange about the relationship with Rodriguez. I suggested a rewrite of the material I'd deleted, to reflect the valid points made during teh talkpage discussion. As far as I know, though, that hasn't been attempted. I'm still prepared to engage with this FAC, and it looks like the delegates are letting it stay in the game because work is still happening. What's your thinking? hamiltonstone (talk) 13:28, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm on it. I'll have it up in a few days. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:00, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Ichiro

I was proposing delaying his classification of position by grouping it into outfielder (although somewhere in the live press conference he said he would end up at DH eventually, or so I recall). What is your opinion on it? - Penwhale | ^{dance in the air and follow his steps} 23:46, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I suppose "outfielder" is the appropriate way to go, as it's the most inclusive, and Ichiro should be playing LF in place of Gardner. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:53, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Although, as Swisher is reportedly not being played in Mariners series here, Ichiro may still end up in RF even after the trade. - Penwhale | ^{dance in the air and follow his steps} 23:56, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Swisher is out for the series. I still think Ichiro will play LF because LF in Yankee Stadium is larger than RF. That's part of the reason Babe Ruth played mostly RF in Yankee Stadium and LF on the road. In this case, we shall see. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:04, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Lede currently says LF, infobox reads RF. Hmm... - Penwhale | ^{dance in the air and follow his steps} 06:53, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Andrew Heaney

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DYK for Ed Barrow

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About Wilmer Flores

Hi Muboshgu. I added additional information to the Wilmer Flores page you created. I hope you enjoy it. MusiCitizen (talk) 20:55, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I saw that on my watchlist, and it got me adding a little bit more myself. A 5x expansion and interesting hook could get us both a DYK credit. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:56, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Rob Ellis (baseball)

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:04, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

50 home run club FLC

Hi Muboshgu! I've finished addressing all the points you made on the 50 home run club FLC. Thanks for the feedback and for the example lists you cited. When you have time, could you please return to the nomination page to either add more comments or cap the resolved commentary and place your stance on the FLC. Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 09:52, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Dock Ellis

Orlady (talk) 16:03, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Dock Ellis's no-hitter

Hi, Muboshgu. You've done a lot of good work on the Dock Ellis article. I have a question about the following sentence: Because the no-hitter was the first game of a doubleheader, Ellis was forced to keep track of the pitch count for the night game. My question is: What the heck does it mean? There are no satisfactory answers on the Talk page, and I don't have access to Bill Christine's article. I'd appreciate your thoughts. --Kenatipo ^speak! 23:36, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks. I plan on taking it to GA soon, but there are some things that need to be cleaned up first, including that. I didn't touch most of the existing no-hitter text in fear that I might cut it and have it be that much harder to obtain the necessary 5x expansion. Now, I'll look into making it the highest possible quality.
• As you can see by scrolling down this game log, the no-hitter against San Diego on June 12 was the first game of a double header. Whoever wrote that bit seems to think that it was Ellis' responsibility to track the number of pitches thrown in the second game of the double header, as it usually fell to the guy who started most recently. I'm not sure that's true, since I remember seeing another source where Dock said he left the stadium as soon as it was done, meaning he wasn't there for the second game. I need to look into that before I nominate for GA. I hope that explains what it means, though. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:43, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. If it were up to me, I would delete that sentence as it's barely related to the no-hitter (in addition to being incomprehensible). --Kenatipo ^speak! 00:44, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I probably will. Thanks for the advice. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:44, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK Architecture of Póvoa de Varzim

• Hi! I'll try to do that ASAP. I had to do some other stuff recently (leisure, home and work) that I forgot about the article. --Pedro (talk) 19:13, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry but sources are NOT the problem of the article, although I'm address that. Still that are not my main concerns on the article. Sourced and improved the sentence. Copyediting would be appreciated.--Pedro (talk) 12:13, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Philip Humber

I could assist with an FA nomination on August 2.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:07, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Larsen and Yankee articles

I gotten very inactive lately and I don't think I would get to finish the Don Larsen article that I wanted to us to complete together, at least not until November/December if lucky. Also keep up the good work with these Yankee articles like Huggins, Rupert and Barrow. I have all of them in my watchlist and I saw amazing improvements that I stopped finding the time to do. Monday is my day off and I have all the book sources needed to further help you to make these deserving subjects GA/FA. I have six books that describes Barrow in great detail for example including the Levitt biography and his own autobiography as I was planning to make that my next FA back in April. I also got the Pinstripe Empire book. Let me know if you need them and I would try to help time permitting. Thanks Secret ^account 09:02, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

M&M Boys

Hi Muboshgu. Would you like to team up on this article so that we can both get a DYK credit? —Bloom6132 (talk) 05:14, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Never mind. I've finished up the article to get it to 8,870 characters (just prose and the explanatory Notes section, which I suppose does count, right?). The original character count before expansion was 1,754, so 8,770 characters would have suffice. I've added you as the co-author of this article, since you are the only other author to help expand this article. Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:26, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! Good job with the expansion. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:29, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Johnny Evers

Orlady (talk) 16:04, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Ryan

Hello Muboshgu! How are things? I wanted to let you know I currently have Rex Ryan at FAC and if you have some spare time, I would appreciate your input. Thanks. -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 17:21, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Max Kepler-Rozycki

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DYK for Finger (gesture)

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Philip Humber FAC

I will start responding tonight.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:56, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: 30–30 club and 20–20–20 club

Great to hear from you again Muboshgu. No matter which side you come down on, I'd like to thank you in advance for even considering joining the discussion. There hasn't been a lot of discussion these past few days, so your feedback will be much appreciated. Right now, the support/oppose votes are tied 3–3, so you'll basically be holding the "deciding vote" in the FLC discussion. As for the 30–30 club list, I was actually planning to place the 50 home run club as my next FLC, as I feel it is more developed. Ironically, that was the other article you nominated for AfD a little over a year ago. Finally, I'd like to wish you all the best in making Derek Jeter an FA. Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:23, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

As an update, I've just nominated the 50 home run club list for FLC, so feel free to comment on that as well when you have the time. Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:50, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I've finished addressing all the points you made on the 50 home run club FLC. Thanks for the feedback and for the example lists you cited. Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 09:40, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/20–20–20 club/archive1 can definitely use input to break the stalemate.—Bagumba (talk) 21:47, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

I'll comment by tomorrow on both. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:22, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Just nominated the 30–30 club list for FLC, so feel free to comment on it. Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 14:09, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: GT

For the shot article, I'm not sure whether or not to keep it. It made sense before tie-breaker articles were created, but now a merge might make sense, since we would just need an extra section in the 1951 article. Might be something to bring up at the baseball project. I'm fine keeping the shot article, but at the same time after I scrap the fluff there may not be much there. As for the series article, I'll get back to that this weekend and try to wrap it up; the hard part's mostly done, now it's just making gamelogs sound nice. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 15:48, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Agreed on the 1951 series article, I helped some yesterday and it's pretty close to GA status. A merge might make sense, and I'll bring it up on WT:BASEBALL. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

A ballpark beer for you!

Thanks for updating the Dan Straily article and hook! FWIW, I had some qualms about running that hook as a current statistic, when the statistic in the article had a specific date on it. Orlady (talk) 18:11, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

What, not an American beer? :P I kid, most American beer is swill. Thanks for promoting it. I certainly agree with giving an "as of" date, which is supported by the sources. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:14, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Tyler Clippard

Thanks for your great research on Clippard's pitching style. One thing I wanted to ask, though — is it really accurate to say that Clippard "relies on his control"? I see he was noted for his control in the minor leagues, but his walk rate in the big leagues is 4.0/9 innings. --Jprg1966 ^(talk) 19:26, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

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Congrats on Jeter FA

A little surprised that it was promoted already, but had no doubt you would eventually get it there. What did you want to do with the remaining items regarding his defense and Arod relationship?—Bagumba (talk) 19:56, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for all of your help. I guess it got promoted because the review had been going on for about 10 weeks? I'll keep working on perfecting the defense and ARod relationship. I've already added alot on his defense in the timeline, and the ARod stuff is decent, if not all the way where it needs to be. I'll reread it, but I'd appreciate it if you can reread it too and let me know where it's good and where it's lacking. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:24, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

As I'm no longer a reviewer, it's not conflict of interest for me to make changes directly to the article. Not sure if I will, but I'll either do that, leave comments here, or on the article talk page itself. Also, I might get hold of the O'Connor book too. Admittedly, I feel less urgency on this article now that the FAC is closed.—Bagumba (talk) 16:58, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Just as an update, Jeter is now within the top 10 for most games played for the same team.[1] —Bloom6132 (talk) 18:12, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Request for assistance

Hello Muboshgu. We both frequently edit baseball related articles, and, according to edit history, we've both had trouble with an editor User:EdelweissD over on the List of Major League Baseball leaders in career wins page. Recently, I attempted to split the 3 long tables into 4 to increase readability, which was met with an unexplained revert by EdelweissD. When I reverted to the 4 table version and explained my reasoning in both edit summary and on his/her talk page, it was again undone. When checking the user's contribution list, all but 4 edits have been on the page in question.

This user clearly demonstrates the belief that they own the page, which of course is not the case. I am not as well versed on Wikipedia policy as I imagine someone with your experience is, so would it be possible for you to help me with this situation? I do not want an edit war so I have not changed the page since the latest revert. I've looked at posting a request for comment but I don’t know if it’s gotten to that point yet. Trut-h-urts man (talk) 18:18, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree that four columns is better readability than three. Hopefully this user doesn't edit war on this, but if he does, bring it to the project page to alert more editors. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:02, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Dan Straily

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Carthage44 attack

I left a a final warning on NPA on his page. In addition to his penchant for warring, this is another area for zero-tolerance at this point.—Bagumba (talk) 22:42, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I saw what happened and reporting Carthage44 to Djsasso because I recalled seeing that user say earlier that he had given our friend a final warning. AutomaticStrikeout 00:46, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Eddy Rodríguez (catcher)

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John H. McCooey

Hello Muboshgu,

Brooklyn boss John H. McCooey was born in Manhattan, not Brooklyn. I am his g-g-grandson, and we have his baptism certificate from St. Brigid's church located at 119 Avenue B, New York City. His parents moved to Brooklyn when John was 4 months old. The Brooklyn Daily Eagle is accessible online, and an article from August 5, 1894, page 5, column 6 gives a brief account of John's early life. When John was 8, his family moved to Chester, PA, because the ship builder John Roach asked John's father, Patrick, to take charge of the copper shop at his ship yard there. In October 1877, when John was 13, Patrick had a tragic fall while inspecting some work on the new steamship City of Washington, and he died a few days later. After the death of his father, John became the head of the family and was employed by John Roach. The family eventually moved back to the same section of Brooklyn (Williamsburg) where they had lived previously.

While researching John H. McCooey, you may come across his page on the "policalgraveyard" web site. That page contains a small error, because it states that John was the "son of John H. McCooey". John's father was in fact Patrick H. McCooey, not John H. McCooey. I sent this correction to the person who maintains that web site, but I have not received any response.

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Request for review (30–30 club)

Hi Muboshgu. You previously stated how you would wait until FLC to comment on this list. Now that I have nominated it, could you please give some feedback and comments? Thanks! —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:41, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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Criteria for keeping pitches on Wikipedia

I noticed on the AfD pages for knuckle changeup and knuckle slider that you voted "keep" because of sources that you found. The problem I have with these sources is that they seem to verify certain names for pitches, but not necessarily a standard pitch. We all know what a cut fastball is because it is thrown with the same grip, at the same relative speed to a four-seam fastball, and in similar situations. Pitches like "knuckle changeup" could mean virtually anything given how infrequently they are used — and virtually never by professional ballplayers. The articles as they exist are essentially original research. The fact that certain reliable sources have quotes containing the phrase "knuckle changeup" or "knuckle slider" is not evidence for me that they support the retention of a Wikipedia article. There needs to be more widespread use and standardization to make them recognizable pitches. --Jprg1966 ^(talk) 04:44, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Any thoughts? --Jprg1966 ^(talk) 23:13, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't catch this with other talk page edits. My interpretation was that the presence of reliable sources is all that's necessary. Based on what you're saying, there is a good case for a merge. The articles themselves are obviously not in good shape, but that's not a reason to delete. The fact is that there are reliable sources means that a merge would be the furthest I'd go off of keep. I'll read the sources a little more closely and go from there. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:49, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

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Tim Jorgensen DYK

Hi: This article is now in prep with the ALT1 hook. Both versions of the hook state that he holds the Division III home run record, but all that I can find attested in the article is that he broke the previous record in 1995. Can you find a source stating that his record still stands and add it with a statement to the article? Otherwise I'm afraid this needs to have a different hook. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:24, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

• As it turns out, the record has been tied. I'll update the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:20, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, I made this change to the hook in prep. Running it by you to make sure it's natural and accurate because sport isn't one of my things. Tweak it if necessary! Yngvadottir (talk) 18:22, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Great, I like it! – Muboshgu (talk) 18:23, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for cognitive vulnerability

Hey! This nomination template has been looked over and since the reviewer suggested a hook, ONLY THE HOOK needs to be looked over by another new reviewer. The rest of the article has been surely taken care of. If you have the time to just check it out, please do so. Thanks. Khyati Gupta (talk) 19:38, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Crow Edited page

Hi Muboshgu,

I edited the Harlan Crow page and provided the explanation in the edit summary section.

Thank you, Misch3819 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Misch3819 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Matt Cain perfect game

Yes, I copied the linescore format from the Matt Cain page, but I changed the information to match with Hernandez's performance, is there anything wrong with that? AutomaticStrikeout 22:20, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Two things... (1) You didn't change the names of the teams, so it said "Astros" and "Giants". (2) The linescore for Felix's game was already in the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:23, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Oops, my bad about the teams. However, at the time I started prepping the linescore, none was in the article. AutomaticStrikeout 22:25, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

It's okay. With a recent event like this, there will be lots of editing in the first few hours. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:26, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Jeff Luhnow

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I did not make a mistake. The references were not retrieved August 12. If you look at the history they were there before that. Someone just added 'retrieved August 12'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.189.216.3 (talk) 00:58, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

RBI vs. RBIs

I recently noticed you reverted one of my edits where I changed 69 RBI to 69 RBIs. I am aware RBI = "runs batted in." But the change was done because consensus had been reached at on the baseball project page. If there's a different occurrence of consensus or something I'm not aware of, please feel free to inform me. Zepppep (talk) 04:10, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Wow, that's four and a half years ago. RBI vs. RBIs came up during the FA review of Derek Jeter which I opened a few months ago. Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Derek Jeter/archive4. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:15, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Funny I just heard an ad for this.—Bagumba (talk) 04:22, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Seems it's still current consensus. I noticed RBI vs. RBIs is specifically addressed in the MoS as well (via WP article): Representing plurals and possessives. Any changes would not have to merely be a change of consensus per WikiProject Baseball, but MoS as well. It's something that a lot of editors get wrong so no worries. But whenever I see "50 RBI" for example in an article, or like what I saw in the Melky Cabrera which you reverted in good faith, I always change it per MoS. (I happen to agree with MoS, as plural of acronyms is to add an "s", no matter the original words are singular or plural.) Zepppep (talk) 04:25, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Maybe we could get a few shirts and send them as a friendly reminder to those doing GA reviews, or something, eh, Bagumba? Zepppep (talk) 04:28, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Heh, nice shirt. What way does MoS weigh on this? In favor of RBIs? – Muboshgu (talk) 04:40, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Click on the links supplied above. It states "s's or es's" shall be added and provides a link to an article if users would like to read more details. Zepppep (talk) 04:51, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't see a link to MoS up there, just to the article on acronyms. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:56, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

RBIs is colloquial, but the abbreviation you'll see in sources is "RBI". Otherwise, you'd also have to have HRs, SBs, Ws, Ls, Ss, Es, DPs, etc. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:31, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

My goodness you guys are feisty. The MoS links to an article, which I noted in my second post, to avoid the MoS becoming unnecessarily long. MoS also links to an article in the lead, Plain English, as it does several other items (nouns, honorifics, and so on). So while the MoS may not list it out specifically within its policy/guideline page, it allows the editor to learn more should they so choose by clicking on a link. "In common usage, therefore, weapons of mass destruction becomes WMDs, prisoners of war becomes POWs, and runs batted in becomes RBIs." I don't think "colloquial" is the same as common usage. Additionally, there are plenty of organizations which use "RBIs," such as AP, Sporting News, SI via AP and ESPN via AP. "R.B.I." is something different and is used by some organizations like the Times (you may also note the Times states N.A.A.C.P. rather than NAACP -- this is their norm). As you may also note, the WP article is Run batted in, not "Runs batted in." Within the lead of that article you'll see "The plural of RBI is 'RBIs.'" I didn't come to give my opinion for one or the other, I came here because this is what is. If someone wants to lead a fight to change it, be my guest. Zepppep (talk) 06:28, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

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FLCR 3b

Can you reconsider taking a definitive position on Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/20–20–20 club/archive1 based on comments since your last edit. It seems your earlier concern was based on the non-consensus at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of New York Yankees captains/archive1 that you nominated. However, consensus can change, and one does not necessarily need to be tied to reasoning from the past that may seem unclear.—Bagumba (talk) 20:01, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I've just added a NYT source that mentions solely the 20–20–20 club. Will this by any chance change your position regarding the candidacy of this list? —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:21, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Could you reconsider your weak oppose position now that I have added two extra sources (from the NYT and USA Today) addressing the 20–20–20 club only? —Bloom6132 (talk) 17:31, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll take a look when I get a chance. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:39, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

No need to waste your time reviewing it; it just got failed. Instead, it would be great if you could review the Golden Spikes Award list I nominated 5 days ago. —Bloom6132 (talk) 16:07, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Updating stat lists prematurely

Hi Muboshgu, I see you recently visited List of Major League Baseball players with 2,000 hits and made a revert. The same user is continuing to update the article in-game, which seems to defeat the purpose of the article. Stats should not be updated until the stat date reflects games for all players, not just a handful or whomever the editor feels like updating stats for. I posed this issue on the baseball project talk page a few days ago. Not sure if you feel differently or can point me in the direction. I have reverted the edits, left edit summaries, and also posted how-to's and reasons against doing such on the user's talk page. Zepppep (talk) 01:33, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Getting worse here. Zepppep (talk) 02:02, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Is there such a thing as updating the list "prematurely"? If it's accurate, is it a problem? – Muboshgu (talk) 02:55, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Accurate according to what -- a TV broadcast or some other non-verifiable source? Anything available online? Additionally, how is an article that states "updated through Aug 12" but has stats which were accrued on the 13th accurate? Zepppep (talk) 03:14, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

The same user you reverted has overruled your revert. Zepppep (talk) 08:12, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Steps taken to attempt to resolve the issue with the editor have not gotten anywhere thus far. I just posted the issue to the WikiProject Baseball page. I am also hoping you might weigh in on the discussion (which over several days has failed to illicit a response from the editor, just more reverts without any justification and sometimes no edit summary) at the article's talk page in hopes of resolving this dispute. Zepppep (talk) 05:09, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Tim Jorgensen

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Mirkarimi article

I appreciate your work on the Mirkarimi article. I think editor GreenIn has a political agenda. We should keep this article on point. Thanks for your help. Chisme (talk) 21:52, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, it's pretty clear the user is biased. The name suggests (s)he is in the tank for the Green Party, of which Mirkarimi was the founder. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:55, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

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Freddie Lindstrom

Hello, Muboshgu. I'm relatively new to Wikipedia protocol, so forgive me for trying to understand why you erased my recent additions to Freddie Lindstrom wikipedia to balance out PM800's June comments when I tried to make them as neutral as possible. Since Freddie is my father, I feel I have a stake in correcting mistakes about his Baseball Hall of Fame credentials. I simply said that Frankie Frisch was dead for three years when Freddie was inducted. That's a fact, not an opinion. Wouldn't you agree that makes it pretty obvious he had no part in Freddie's entry? The same for Bill Terry, who got rid of him as a Giant as quickly as he could. So much for croneyism. Also, you allow people from a particular point of view to trash his reputation by citing Bill James. But James has more than his share of critics too. Isn't that legitimate comment to show both sides of a controversial issue? If you want to erase my rebuttal, that's fine. But wouldn't it serve fairness far better to erase PM800's comments, too? By the way, I also wrote the main article and this is the first time anybody tried to make substantial charges against him appended to what I think is otherwise unbiased biography.Also, try checking PM800's footnotes, and I think you'll find they too are highly biased and open to debate. Thanks for your help. Andrew lindstrom (talk) 13:38, 20 August 2012 (UTC)Andrew Lindstrom

I didn't revert that edit, it was reverted to a version last edited by me. Secret (talk · contribs) is the editor who reverted it. Without having read what you added, I see that Secret was concerned about maintaining neutral point of view. If you are indeed his son, then I'm also concerned about your conflict of interest. Please click those links and read those policies. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:52, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Help Identifying?

Hi Muboshgu!

I took some photos when I went to a game in Boston, but I'm not really a big baseball fan, and don't know much about the players - would you be interested in helping me label these players with tags on commons? Let me know! Victor Grigas (talk) 20:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Sure, happy to help. I'll leave that info on your talk page. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:25, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Freddie Lindstrom. I tried with no success to contact Secret, who erased my Aug 20 additions to Freddie Lindstrom. Apparently he no longer edits for Wikipedia or his account is blocked. I also contacted the authors of footnotes 31 and 32. One said Freddie Lindstrom was not mentioned in his article; the other said he was repeating what he had heard from others. The problem I continue to have from charges that I violated "neutral point of view," and "bias" in the additions is that I simply wanted to point out Frankie Frisch died 3 years before Lindstrom's entry into the Hall. Surely, I hope you will agree, that is not a bias but a basic fact that counters a common misconception in some counter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.44.4.86 (talk) 20:08, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Aardsma - Feliciano

Well here is the YES Network roster updated this morning (8/22). Aardsma has 64 and Feliciano with 60. MLB.com has not been updated, so since you've been updating the templates, I've changed the numbers in. Any thoughts? Mitch32^{(There is a destiny that makes us... family.)} 20:09, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Unbreakable records

Re: your comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Major League Baseball records considered unbreakable (3rd nomination), I dont think POINTY applies unless there's some behavior with the editor that I'm not aware of. See WP:NOTPOINTY.—Bagumba (talk) 00:55, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Good point (no pun intended). – Muboshgu (talk) 00:57, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for George Kontos

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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Philip Humber/archive1

I think you are participating in the WP:CUP. Feel free to withdraw Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Philip Humber/archive1, if it helps you to nominate something else sooner (if you feel Humber will fail).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:00, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't have anything else ready for FAC, just a few things that I'd like to in the future. Let's stick with this. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:34, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

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Could you please have a look at this FLC and give some feedback? Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 17:50, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Re-directs

Seriously dude, what is with you and the unnecessary re-directs? What have Cody Asche and Zach Walters (baseball) done that makes them deserve bios on the minor league pages?--Yankees10 18:11, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Both are rising prospects with enough news coverage that they might meet WP:GNG right now. Walters is a potential September call-up. What's the problem? – Muboshgu (talk) 18:14, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

If they meet WP:GNG then why don't you just create these articles like everybody else does instead of just creating hundreds of re-directs like you have?--Yankees10 18:19, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Erring on the side of caution. What is the problem with their being redirects until they prove themselves to be notable beyond any shadow of a doubt? That's the intended use of the minor league pages. You made a full page for L. J. Hoes, while I'm not sure that he should have one at this point. If it were me, I would've gone to the minor league players page. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

But I don't think the minor league pages were made so that a bunch of players would be put on there for reasons such as "potential september call-up" or being "the next David Robertson" I just don't see why you can't just check if a player passes GNG and if they do create, if not just move on. Not every minor league player needs a re-direct.--Yankees10 18:31, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for butting in on your conversation here... but these minor league players are better off on the minor league player page than having their own article. Too many of these prospects have their own pages now.. much better to have them on the minor league pages. The players i've added to the minor league pages are all either top draft picks or guys who have been on 40 man rosters. I don't think minor leaguers should have their own pages unless they make the pros or do something extraordinary in the minors... Hoes is a perfect example of someone who doesnt need there own page. Spanneraol (talk) 18:42, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Do you agree though that there are too many "non-notable" minor leaguers listed on the minor league pages?--Yankees10 18:50, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Hell yes. As I added Walters to Washington Nationals minor league players, I noticed "Jeff Howell". That is an example of a non-notable minor leaguer who shouldn't have a blurb or redirect, unless a news search shows me something I don't expect to see. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:56, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Should I PROD it?--Yankees10 19:00, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Probably a good idea. I tried to CSD a redirect recently, but the admin rejected my reasoning that there was nothing it was linking to, despite my attempt to describe these pages. PRODs for unnecessary redirects, while deleting those sections, is probably appropriate. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:04, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the Alvarez and Suarez AFD's. It would have been nice of Alexsautographs to have given a reason for the removing the PROD's...--Yankees10 21:43, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, but that's status quo for that user. I'll keep helping with PROD'ing players who don't seem notable enough for even a section, but I suggest slowing down for a little bit. After all, we don't want to overwhelm users who will patrol the PROD's and decide whether or not they want to contest. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:46, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I just did the east teams today. I'll do other divisions over the next few weeks.--Yankees10 21:55, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

List of Major League Baseball pitchers with 200 career wins

At the risk of WP:BEANS, the name change is inviting other "List of Major League Baseball pitchers with XXX career wins" article instead of one generic "List of Major League Baseball leaders in career wins".—Bagumba (talk) 19:57, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Most of the other pages in the same category (ie., List of Major League Baseball players with 20 triples, List of Major League Baseball players with a career .330 batting average, List of top 300 Major League Baseball home run hitters ) list a specific cutoff, whether it's "X" or "top X". This page should follow that convention. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:01, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I knew that was coming. I'd call it a bad convention per WP:LISTNAME but have no interest to pursue this one if I'm off on an island.—Bagumba (talk) 20:06, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

You might be right, and you might not be alone on that island. If you want, we could discuss that with the community. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:50, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

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Is the picture OK now?—Bagumba (talk) 20:26, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Mike Trout

The IP User:71.109.67.139 whom you reverted an edit on 27 Aug has added the 21st b-day home run mention again to the article. Zepppep (talk) 02:04, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

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Shelley Duncan

Did you just add your own "Citation needed" tag to your own addition? Say it so! :) Zepppep (talk) 20:55, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I did. I'm busy, and was too lazy to Google news search. I added a ref there now. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:59, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

You had me ROFL. Zepppep (talk) 21:02, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

For the beer and for taking the initiative on the Jeter defense discussion.—Bagumba (talk) 17:56, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Dan Otero

I did not mean to start an editting war with you. My name is Mike. I am Dan Otero's best friend, manager, and the best man at his upcoming wedding. I am trying to improve upon his wiki page. Please allow his nickname, "Primo," to be listed on his page as per his request. I dont know how you want me to verify this for you, but any way you ask for it will be immediately provided as this is 100% truthful. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigmikecassel (talk • contribs) 18:17, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I realize you're new around here, so you may not know how things work. According to WP:V, probably the most important policy on Wikipedia, all information on Wikipedia needs to be verifiable. That means that any reader, including those of us who don't personally know Otero, can find the information in reliable sources, be they internet sources, newspapers or the like. I don't see anything about a nickname in an internet search. If you can provide a reliable source, we can add it. Unfortunately, we can't take you at your word. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:20, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

RfA?

Would you be interested in running for adminship? AutomaticStrikeout 16:33, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

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Renaming

It's been 7 days since discussion regarding renaming of the David Wright article. I don't see the other arguments as valid and those who've posted such haven't replied. What's the next step, as I wouldn't not be able to close the discussion since I have voted? I have already posted supporting evidence as outlined here. Zepppep (talk) 05:48, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Someone neutral should close it, but not yet. I don't see consensus, nor the need to close it as 'no consensus' yet. I added more evidence to support the renaming. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:45, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, for both replying and added further argument. I kind of stopped as I wasn't getting a reply to questions asked to what I would largely classify as all opposition was WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Zepppep (talk) 17:48, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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Strasburg progress

I added refs for the three tags you added. I also added a sentence at the end of the lead that may or may not stick, but thought I'd add anyway. We are probably pretty close to submitting, yes? --Jprg1966 ^(talk) 18:46, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I'll give it another, closer look soon. It might still need some copyediting and reference reformatting (such as standardizing date formats). – Muboshgu (talk) 19:35, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

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