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Reuben Markham article

Dear Nablais, (I also sent this as an email response to the email you sent me yesterday)

Thank you for your edits on the article about Reuben H. Markham. I wonder if you could provide some additional help.

There is a picture of Reuben Markham at a Library of Congress website that seems to be in the public domain. The Rights Advisory says there are no known restrictions. It can be accessed at this link: https://www.loc.gov/item/2017863255/. Would you be able to upload the picture to the article?

Would you also be able add the following two Categories? 1) Missionary 2) Cold War. I can probably do it myself, but haven’t ever done that yet.

I noticed that you removed quotation marks from several direct quotations that came from obituaries of Reuben Markham. Was there a reason you removed them?

I also noticed that you linked “The Great Debate” to a Wikipedia article. The article, though, seems to refer to a different Great Debate. The one the Reuben Markham article refers to was between interventionists and isolationists about whether or not the United States should enter World War II on the side of the Allies. It can be referenced at this article: https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/great-debate#:~:text=The%20urgency%20of%20the%20situation,good%20reason%20to%20get%20involved.

Thank you again for your assistance.

Sincerely yours,

Ankara59 (talk) 15:18, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Ankara59,

I will look into getting a picture for Markham. Thanks for the link. Adding categories is pretty easy, you can do it manually at the bottom of the page (see the ones that are already there for the formatting) or use Wikipedia:HotCat, which makes it a bit quicker and tells you if categories actually exist without you needing to look it up. As I recall the quotations seemed like they could simply be stated as uncontroversial facts, and that direct quotes were not needed IMHO. Also, when quoting its generally good to state the source outside of the reference. For example: "According to the New York Times: 'Markham was a great guy'" or "The New York Times called Markham 'a great guy'." Stating he was a great guy isn't npov so you would need to quote it, and also clearly state where the quote was coming from. On the other hand, saying something like "According to the New York Times: 'Markham had brown hair'" isn't necessary since it's just stating a fact, and even though you still need to provide a reference you don't need to quote it directly or state the source within the article text itself. That's my understanding anyway, and of course it depends on the context. The goal is always to make it sound like something you would read in an encyclopedia. Of course you don't want to plagiarize, so if there is a long quote you're quoting directly you want quote marks, but it can often be better to just reword it if it's just stating uncontroversial facts.

It looks like you're right about the Great Debate, although it looks like Wikipedia might not have an actual article on that debate, this seems to be the closest thing I can find, although it doesn't call it a great debate.

Thank you for your edits, I hope you will continue to improve Wikipedia, even though it can take some time to learn all the formatting and standards. Nablais (talk) 16:50, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm currently not able to access the link you gave me, it's giving me what looks like an internal server error. I will check back later. Nablais (talk) 17:07, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice. I'll look at those quotes again.

If you Google 'Reuben H. Markham' the first thing I get is the Library of Congress website with the picture. I think it says something like "Director of Region V". Would that make it possible to upload the picture?

Thanks again for your help.Ankara59 (talk) 19:15, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much for posting the picture and adding the new categories. I think it looks great. I made a few minor changes around the quotes we were discussing.

The article definitely seems to be in the Wikipedia system, but it doesn't appear when I Google 'Reuben H. Markham.' Do you know what causes that to happen?

Thank you again very much for the help you've given the article.Ankara59 (talk) 22:33, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Ankara59, No problem. Google is separate from Wikipedia so it might take some time for it to realize it's here. It should be there soon, but there's not much Wikipedia can do about it. Nablais (talk) 22:37, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks again. I'll keep looking for it. If you have any further suggestions for the article please let me know. I noticed that you posted a note that more needs to be written about Erwin Canham. I think you're right. Canham's book, Commitment to Freedom, is a major source for the Markham article. There's a wonderful picture in the book that has all the CSM foreign correspondents gathered in London in 1930, that has both Canham and Markham in it. They were an impressive group. Ankara59 (talk) 02:48, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Ankara59, yes indeed! I created the Canham article, that's actually how I was notified of yours when you linked to it. Actually when I posted that note the article was even smaller but I expanded it somewhat a couple of months ago. And I have the book you mention, I've really only just started it but it's a great read! Nablais (talk) 15:28, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

I was wondering how you came across the article on Reuben Markham. It does seem good if an article can be linked from another one. The Canham article mentions Roscoe Drummond, who is also in the picture of the CSM foreign correspondents in 1930. I wonder if it might be possible to put in a reference to Reuben Markham as well. Perhaps there could be a sentence after saying that Erwin Canham worked in the Geneva bureau along these lines: "He wrote about international affairs in the company of other Monitor correspondents such as Roscoe Drummond, William Henry Chamberlin and Reuben Markham." Are there any other correspondents you recognize in that picture? Please don't consider it, though, if you don't think it adds anything to the reader's understanding of Canham and the Monitor.

A friend of mine's father went to Bates and knew of Canham from his experience there.

One other question I wanted to ask concerns the categories. When one goes to a category, such as Union Theological Seminary, American Journalists or Educational Missionaries, Reuben Markham is placed under the "Rs" rather than the "Ms." Everyone else seems to be placed based on their last name, rather than their first. I couldn't figure out how to make a correction. Would you know how to do that?

Thank you again for all your help.Ankara59 (talk) 23:15, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Ankara59, Oh I think I know why, I'll fix it.

Even better would be if a picture of them could be found that didn't violate copyright, they could be labeled and it would add a good visual to whichever page or pages had it. I'm not sure about the one in the book, it's still too recent I think for copyright to have expired automatically. One good place Markham could be added though I can think of is on the CSM page, there's a list of notable journalists he should be on. The history section on that page needs to be expanded as well. Nablais (talk) 18:07, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for changing the Markham locations to the letter M. I'm sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. I didn't see your post here. A picture would be good, if it could be found. I'll take a look at the CSM page and see if there's a relevant place where he might be mentioned. I looked at the William Henry Chamberlin page. He wrote several complementary pieces about Markham but I didn't really see a good way to introduce him. Thanks again for all your help.Ankara59 (talk) 01:03, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ankara59, No problem if you can't find a picture. As long as there's an organic way to fit him in that's fine. Thanks for your article! Nablais (talk) 13:35, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Dear Nablais,

Thanks for your post. Did you think the sentence I mentioned in regard to the Canham article fit in organically? I couldn't tell. If not, I won't add it.

I had another idea that I wanted to ask you about. Please let me know if you prefer not to have me asking you so many questions.

There's a passage on page 348 of Canham's "Commitment to Freedom" about Reuben Markham and " the well-known Alexander Dimitrov". I think Canham means "Georgi Dimitrov" who was an important historical figure. He was put on trial for the Reichstag fire in 1934, was the Secretary-General of the Comintern and was Dictator of Bulgaria after World War II. I think Georgi is meant when Canham refers to the "well-known" Dimitrov.

The passage is a moving one in which Canham credits Markham with saving Dimitrov's life, after he was condemned to death in Bulgaria in 1925. I think the account seems plausible. For one thing, as Dimitrov's Wikipedia article says, Dimitrov came from a Protestant family that was well known to the missionary community of which Markham was a member. Protestants in Bulgaria in 1925 were a very small community. So it is possible that his family would reach out to a Protestant American like Reuben Markham. Secondly, Markham was involved in Bulgarian politics at this time, writing about the oppression of the peasants and the workers. It seems very possible that Markham had a relationship of some sort with King Boris. Finally, it seems probable that Canham heard this story directly from Reuben Markham. How else would he know about it? That adds to its credibility in my opinion. I've also wondered if Markham might have enjoyed some protection from Dimitrov when he went to Bulgaria in August, 1945 because of this incident.

Dimitrov's Wikipedia page on the other hand, says that he was able to escape to Yugoslavia, and was then condemned to death in absentia. There are no footnotes citing sources in the Wikipedia account. So, Canham's passage is different. Of course, human memory is fallible. Already, Canham seems to have made a mistake with the first name--Alexander instead of Georgi.

My question is whether you think it would be approprite to use Canham's account in the Georgi Dimitrov Wikipedia article describing how he escaped his death sentence. Certainly, then, it would be logical to mention Reuben Markham and link him to his Wikipedia page.

That's a long question, but let me know what you think.

Thanks again for your interest in Reuben's article.Ankara59 (talk) 19:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Ankara59, As for your first question, I think it would be a good sentence to add, especially if the article was expanded more. As you mentioned before I think, the article could definitely go more in-depth, and that sentence would be part of that process.

Regarding Dimitrov, that explanation seems plausible to me, but it might be good to get another source to double check though. Even if it doesn't directly mention Markham, something that makes it clear what happened to Dimitrov coincides with Canham's account and doesn't leave any room for doubt. It is technically possible Canham's talking about someone else, so you want to be really sure, but if the research you do shows that's really the explanation that makes sense then go for it. Nablais (talk) 04:15, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

I will go ahead and add the sentence to the Canham article. That's good advice about Dimitrov. I'll try to see if I can locate some more information about what happened to him in Bulgaria in 1925. Thanks againAnkara59 (talk) 15:48, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

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