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Medical articles

On medical articles we cite every sentence. Please do not do this.[1]

Basing what you do on an essay is not best practice. Please note that we also have Wikipedia:Citation underkill Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:00, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

@Doc James: Wikipedia:Citation underkill is also an essay. Nightscream (talk) 20:27, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes exactly. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:15, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Your edit appears to violate WP:V policy. Others must also be able to verify the content. QuackGuru (talk) 21:06, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

@QuackGuru: Sorry, I forgot it was medical-related. Thansk for the reminder. Nightscream (talk) 21:20, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

I suggest you don't cite WP:REPCITE in your edit summary again. We don't edit differently on different articles. WP:CHALLENGE states "All content must be verifiable." The content is not verifiable if the citation is removed. In the last two years there has been way too much policy violations showing up on my watchlist. Please read here. Then go read here and here. Citation overkill is causing mass citation clutter. The overkill essay is dated and people are misreading it. All the problems have been fixed with the citation overkill buster. QuackGuru (talk) 02:37, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Content is indeed verifiable via the citation at the end of the passage supported by the source. Placing a citation at the end of every sentence is clutter, and poor composition. WP:REPCITE is a valid principle, and I will continue to edit citation clutter according to it, with the exception of medical articles. Nightscream (talk) 05:40, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Comics character material

When I looked at your comparisons, I'd like to let you know that I didn't add in the wrong information for the citation of the comic where Stegron collaborated with Sauron and have been trying to do comparisons to find out who did. The suggestions of websites you sent me is what I have been doing when trying to find source character pages for Clash after Argento Surfer did a merge discussion and I got that information from him when I asked about how to find information to improve that page. The past tense thing is a force of habit which I apologize for. Did I leave anything out? As for Miles Morales, I'd like to let you know that I haven't edited that page which you mostly do edits for. That would explain to you why I haven't added the name of the genetically-altered spider that bit Miles Morales in the "Ultimate Spider-Man" episode of Spider-Man. --Rtkat3 (talk) 15:57, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

You need to read people's messages more carefully, since much of what you just said has nothing to do with what I did.

To clarify:

I did not say anything about "wrong information". I said that you could include the full publication info, and that even when this is not available to you, you could, at a minimum, at least include the publisher name, since you're aware of when the publisher of an issue you cite is Marvel or DC. I also pointed out that mentioned this to you last year.

I did not indicate that you edited the Miles Morales article. Go back and read what I actually wrote in regards to that article.

I understand the issue of habit regarding past tense wording. Duly noted. I'm sure you'll get the hang of it. Nightscream (talk) 16:38, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

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Traci Bingham

Hello Nightscream. Thank you for taking time to advise us of some unknown rules/etiquette regarding wiki edits. Specifically we are having difficulty with the Traci Bingham/Vallier (Baywatch actress) page. Perhaps the public would be better served if instead of undoing the factually and legally correct information we've updated, that you might help us post it in a more agreeable light? We've update the CA court's url. A name serach of Miss Vallier will verify the court indeed found a judgment of over $172,000 against Miss Vallier. It is now over $200,000 with interest. Additionally we've added the Docket number regarding the multiple CAPIAS ARREST attempts made against her in Cambridge, MA where at the time she indeed lived with her mother (also noted in the contracts, on record with the court). So while you apparently don't believe the information valid, simply because you didn't properly research the court records, listen to her own audio (again provided link/info to her/recordings), that isnt' our fault, nor does it make it untrue. Please take the time to familiarize yourself and see we're quite clear and honest in our relaying of the information. If the update still doesn't meet your standards, while factually accurate, do the community a favor and help us properly edit it instead of removing it. Thank you. Litbreeze (talk) 01:24, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

(To Litbreeze) You're millimeters away from being blocked for egregious violations of the biographies of living persons policy. "Biographies of living persons ("BLPs") must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives" Leave all that to TMZ. Acroterion (talk) 03:45, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

And now blocked - I see no possibility that this editor intends to abide by Wikipedia policy. Acroterion (talk) 03:50, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

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Citation order

Hi. Please don't reorder citations numerically. Sometimes (not to say often) editors put citations in a specific order for a reason, and there is little reader value in ascending numerical sequence of a string of cites. Thanks. ―Mandruss ☎ 21:52, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

@Mandruss: Keeping cites in numerical order has been the standard practice for as long as I can remember since I began editing in 2005. What was the specific reason you were referring to for putting them out of that order? Nightscream (talk) 22:03, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

There used to be a bot that went around "fixing" that. It was defeated by community consensus with high participation, largely because it removed editor control over citation order. That's why you never see those bot edits anymore. I'm not aware of a need for a specific order in that specific case, I'm speaking in general. ―Mandruss ☎ 22:11, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

@Mandruss: I don't recall where I may have read this, since it's been years, but citations look more presentable when they're in numeral order, with the ref name tags of previously cited sources given before new ones. Why does there need to be editor control over citation order? If there's not a specific reason, why did you mention it? Nightscream (talk) 22:16, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Not all citations in a string are created equal. Sometimes one is more important than the other two or three, and I want it first. I think I should have that discretion as an editor. All this was discussed at great length during the RfC (I think it was an RfC, anyway) about the bot. Surely you can understand that I'm talking about the general principle, not a specific case? ―Mandruss ☎ 22:19, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

@Mandruss: Generalizations are sometimes easily illustrated with specific examples, and I cannot think of a specific example of one in a string being "more" important than another, aside from the presentability effected by numerical order. But I'm open-minded to hearing you provide one. (Hint, hint). :-) Nightscream (talk) 22:32, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

If I'm required to produce a specific case from memory, this ends our conversation and I won't waste any more of our time. Thanks. ―Mandruss ☎ 22:37, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Here's that RfC. It was easier to find than I expected. Cheers. ―Mandruss ☎ 12:16, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

@Mandruss: Thanks. Interesting read. I'm glad you didn't have to go slogging through too much stuff to get it. Of course, that discussion and its resolution only pertain to having a bot do this automatically. It does not support your admonishment for me to cease doing it manually, something I've been doing for over a decade. Again, I'm open-minded enough to hear out an editor if they tell me that there's a reason against it in a particular situation. Otherwise, I'm going to continue in the practice. Hope we can agree to disagree. Nightscream (talk) 15:32, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

All I can tell you is that (1) it should be obvious that there are cases where one citation warrants more prominent placement than the others in a string, and that shouldn't need "proving"; and (2) I know I have done so multiple times, whether I can remember them or not, and I shouldn't need to "prove" that I'm not just making shit up (what would be my reason for doing so?). Further, that RfC shows that the community does not share your view that numerical ordering is all that important just because some academics say it is. If "agree to disagree" means not taking the issue to a higher level, then we can agree to disagree. But you have no case, regardless, and I hope you will come to realize that with the passage of time. Thanks for being civil while being unreasonable. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:40, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

@Mandruss: I never said nor implied that you were "making shit up", and the thought genuinely never occurred to me. There have been times when I cited some policy/guideline/principle of editing but couldn't remember the precedent or namespace page for it, so I just assumed that was the case with you here. With regard to any obligation on your part to provide examples, editors arguing over prevailing editing principles should generally try to meet in the middle, with those one side keeping an open mind, and those on the other making their case. If the latter put forward the idea that there are situations in which Editing Habit X should not apply, the most the former can do is keep an open mind, pending examples. You may not "have" to provide one, but if you don't, what do you expect me to do? Simply stop the practice in question because someone who's only been editing since 2013 says "please don't do that", while providing no rationale for this? That is not a "higher" level, that's just a level in line with your personal aesthetics. The RfC shows that ascending order of citations is, like many other practices on Wikipedia, one on which there is disagreement in the community, and not that there is any consensus for or against it, since that discussion concerned only whether it should be bot-automated. I continue to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brain falls out. If examples that illustrate an idea sufficient to persuade me to change an editing habit are not forthcoming, then I cannot offer agreement. Take care. Nightscream (talk) 16:07, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

while providing no rationale for this? If you seriously feel that I have provided no rationale, you haven't been reading my comments fairly. Your actions are inconsistent with a fair reading of the spirit of the RfC consensus, whether its letter explicitly prohibited human edits or not. The only reason for such a distinction would be that humans can apply intelligence to specific cases, but you are not doing anything like that. You are simply blindly reordering out-of-order citations—no different from what the bot was doing except in volume. ―Mandruss ☎ 16:21, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

@Mandruss: The RfC showed that many in the community are for ascending order, and many are not. In other words, there's no clear consensus on manual reordering, aside from your mere insistence that there is, which is simply your attempt to push your preferred practice. I have indeed read your statements, and I have responded to them. You mentioned that some citations are "more important" than others, but did not explain why. I asked you for an example of this, and you said you could not. You insisted it "should be obvious" that there are certain cases of this, but where unable to elaborate on this. Since I'm not aware of any offhand, I said I'd keep an open mind for the occasion when that type of situation occurs, while maintaining my current practices of reordering. That's a level of open-mindedness on my part that I would think would be appreciated. But you want others to do as you say, simply for having said so, without providing any specific rationale. That's not how it works on Wikipedia. Again, take care. Nightscream (talk) 16:32, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

You'll accept a hypothetical? You didn't make that clear. Ok. One citation provides verifiability for something that is controversial, or for BLP reasons. Another two citations in the string provide verifiability for a time-of-day and an uncontroversial quotation. Can I place the first citation first and expect it to stay there indefinitely (unless another editor decides that a different citation is more important)? Or, am I not allowed to judge, as a Wikipedia editor, that such placement benefits readers? ―Mandruss ☎ 16:41, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

I note that you dropped out of this discussion as soon as I gave you the rationale you asked for, the absence of which you previously used to dismiss me with repeated take cares. (There is a second scenario for ordered cites that I didn't mention.) Is this what you call open mind and fair debating? Is this how it works on Wikipedia? Not on my Wikipedia. Don't bother responding, I know WP:IJDLI when I see it and my questions are rhetorical. You take care. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:04, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Real Life Barnstar

I want to give you the Real Life Barnstar for your beautiful and kind comment on User talk:GabrielAmmirata. Thank you for having empathy and compassion for this soul, even if it is a simple message on Wikipedia. It is so nice that editors still remember that there is a person behind each account, in real life, editing Wikipedia for a variety of causes they care about. Thank you. CookieMonster755✉ 22:45, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Heather Nauert

Hi. Please do not add uncited material to articles, as you did with this edit to Heather Nauert. As I'm sure you must know by now, Wikipedia's Verifiability policy requires that the material in its articles be accompanied by reliable, verifiable (usually secondary) sources explicitly cited in the text in the form of an inline citations. It is even more important with material that could conceivably be regarded as contentious, such as Trump administration appointments. If you intend to restore the material, please do so only if it is accompanied by citations. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 19:32, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Dear Nightscream, a lot of work for easily verified info. Try to AGF. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 19:46, 14 March 2018 (UTC) (Original message)

@Classicwiki: I did assume good faith. I assumed that when you added uncited material to an article, that there was some reason for this, so after removing it, I politely notified you so that if you wanted, you could restore it with an accompanying citation, which you did, none of which exhibited bad faith. As for "a lot of work", I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you're referring to by this. The fact that it's easily verified is precisely one reason the material should not have been added without a citation, per WP:V. Thanks for doing so, as it is genuinely appreciated.

As for the rather arrogant, condescending comment you made in your edit summary, "Try to contribute", perhaps if you bothered consulting the article's edit history, you might've noticed the nine edits I made to the article prior to your most recent ones. Do those not count as "contributions"? You might also consider the 128,000 edits I've made here since 2005, which unlike the 8,000 you've made here since 2013, do not consist of adding uncited material to articles, lashing out at others who politely point this out to you by falsely accusing them of violating AGF, and then continuing to omit important information during edits, like author names in citations. They consist of a lot of hard work, including single-handedly writing four Good Articles, contributing over 10,000 photos to the Commons, and cleaning up uncited material added to articles by editors like you. It's why the top of my User Page is filled with laudatory compliments by various members of the editing community, while yours isn't.

In fact, it's kinda funny how the top of your user page says, "Assume good faith and let me know how I can improve!", yet when I politely told you how to improve, you acted as if the very act of doing so was itself a violation of Assume Good Faith. Perhaps you should make up your mind on this point? Something to think about, Mm'kay? Nightscream (talk) 21:32, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

NightScream, Sorry, but quantity≠quality and someone giving you an award≠you being a better contributor. Some of this may offend the other user(comment that they have not been give nice comments by others). Also, being contributing to Wikipedia longer does not mean you are a better editor.Qwerty number1 (talk) 23:16, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

I never said nor implied otherwise. The only person who has voiced such an idea is you-- a conclusion you reached by deliberately ignoring what I was saying, and the context of what I was responding to. Nightscream (talk) 00:04, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

AGF...Qwerty number1 (talk) 20:39, 25 November 2018 (UTC) Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors. Thank you. I politely pointed out something, not blaming you and then you immediately say I am 'deliberately iggnoring' what you actually said!? That is going very far from assuming good faith (more like assuming bad faith). Thanks, Qwerty number1 (talk) 20:54, 25 November 2018 (UTC).

You did not "politely point out something", nor did I fail to assume good faith. What you did was to attribute to me an idea that neither harbor nor expressed, falsely portraying this as the point of my response to Classicwiki. What I did was to merely point this out. That did not involve an "assumption", it merely required me to observe what you were saying, and to you inform you that were you wrong. None of that has nothing to do with failing to assume good faith, except in the mind of a certain segment of the editing community here who seem to misunderstand what AGF actually says, and end up persistently misapplying it.

Ironically, since you obviously misunderstood the point of my response to Classiwiki, and leapt to a conclusion not supported in the text of my message above, the only person who failed to assume good faith was you. Nightscream (talk) 22:05, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Ok, lets assume for a minute you are right and I have misunderstood you? Right, how do you know I have not missed something, misinterpreted something, jumping wrongly to a conclusion, felt tired and missed a sentence out, not followed one far off chat thread, not noticed there is a link to a page, misread something etc. but have 'deliberately' ignored something in an attempt to harm you?! This does not suggest good faith and is probably not going to help the discussion. Thanks, Qwerty number1 (talk) 21:21, 28 November 2018 (UTC).

No, deliberately ignoring the context of my statements to Classicwiki above does not suggest good faith on your part. I'm glad we agree on that. Nightscream (talk) 02:00, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Daily News (New York)

What can I say? I agree with you completely. The arguments at the Move discussion came down to "I don't care what the actual name is, we're going to title this article something the paper doesn't call itself and no one in New York City ever calls it." The fact the populist crowd refused to even title it "New York Daily News", to remove the implication that "New York" is part of the formal proper-noun name, is what really astounded me.--Tenebrae (talk) 19:19, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Italicizing names of networks

Hi,

RE: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017%E2%80%93present)&diff=832139071&oldid=832137113

Should the names of the websites of TV networks be italicized, or referred to as CNN.com, CNBC.com, etc?

Italicize the titles of magazines, books, newspapers, academic journals, films, television shows, long poems, plays, operas, musical albums, works of art, websites

Cheers soibangla (talk) 03:27, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Use of WP:OVERLINK

Hi,

I hope you're being careful with WP:OVERLINK, because some of my edits may appear to have redundant references, when actually the edit contains a composite of information across multiple references. I'd like to avoid someone later saying that the provided reference does not support the edit contents, because the reference that did was removed.

Cheers soibangla (talk) 03:37, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

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False information accusation

I put in what I saw in the source. I didn’t insert anything “false”. The source I initially found didn’t outline her charges yet. Rusted AutoParts 22:31, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

It didn’t list any charges, it only stated Mack was arrested in Brooklyn by the FBI and would be arraigned later that day. If anything incorrect was interpreted it wasn’t my intent. Rusted AutoParts 02:52, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

List of suicides

Re: your edit summary here supposedly concerning this edit by IP 63.142.136.2, see this. I'm not sure whose vandalism you reverted, but it wasn't that IP, who only performed one edit at that article – the edit I reverted. General Ization ^Talk 00:54, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Also, you may want review the sequence of your edits today at List of suicides; in the one you claimed was related to my edit (it wasn't), you removed 22,322 bytes from the article, and in the subsequent edit you restored 23,859 bytes; the size of these edits seems to be inconsistent with your edit summaries. General Ization ^Talk 01:02, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi. I just looked down the diff of my edits. Where is this 22 KB you mentioned? I removed three persons that had been added without citations, removed some line breaks (including five line breaks that were added beneath the image of Robert Fitzroy), and some minor irrelevant comments or passages, but nothing major (certainly nothing that was relevant and cite-supported). Which material are you referring to?

As for the edit summary that mentioned you, I apologize. That was my error. Nightscream (talk) 01:32, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@Nightscream: I am not referring to the edit you linked above. When I look at the edit history of List of suicides, I see these two edits:

• 23:03, 22 April 2018‎ Nightscream‎ (246,967 bytes) (+23,859)‎ (Consistent date formatting; The Sunday Times is not called "Sunday Times (UK)"; WP:OVERLINK; the word "kamikaze" is not italicized, nor is there any reason to hyphenate its use with "pilot"; "Yuki died at 17 in a kamikaze attack" doesn't go in a url parameter; CBC isn't a "newspaper", and isn't italicized; Pravda.ru is not reliable per WP:IRS; provided method for Ushijima, with cite; the cite for Ying Yin is a blog, which violates WP:USERG; etc.)
• 22:48, 22 April 2018‎ Nightscream (223,108 bytes) (-22,322)‎ (Revert vandalism by 63.142.136.2, since General Ization, who issued the warning to him, didn't restore the material.)

Are you seeing something different? The possiblility that you removed and added something other than you intended is precisely why I bring it up. General Ization ^Talk 01:38, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@General Ization: (Looks at individual diffs) Whoa. That is weird. I don't know how that happened, but those removals apparently did not take during the course of my total edits, because when you look at the diff showing the total edits, those removals aren't there. So yeah, it does look different when you view the total edits. Can you check the total diff to see what I'm saying? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 01:50, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, it does appear that you restored the content in the 23:03 edit that you seem to have inadvertently removed in the 22:48 edit (so a diff that spans the period would not reflect the removal). General Ization ^Talk 01:54, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@General Ization: So we're good? Nightscream (talk) 01:56, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Of course we are. We never were not good. General Ization ^Talk 01:57, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Glen Talbot

Maybe check what your edits do before claiming it was "not bad"? Not my fault that you screwed up. And I also don't agree with how you want to do the subheaders.★Trekker (talk) 07:02, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Also, calling a sub header simple "animation" is completely idiotic, it give no context, how is anyone supposed to know that it means only "TV animation", the vast majority of articles on comics characters uses the ond format, who cares a single bit what you think if soverkill? And calling "subheaders" simply "Marvel Cinematic Universe" has been rejected repeatedly every time it has been proposed on any of the comic project.★Trekker (talk) 07:06, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Look at this edit, look what you did, see why I called it bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Glenn_Talbot&diff=837789823&oldid=837706665

Your edit was bad, your idea of how of how the article should be is bad. You are a sad pathetic thing who threatens blocks and keeps edit warring as well.★Trekker (talk) 07:10, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@*Treker::

1. The MCU section is not a subheading of Animation, as both are Level 3 subheadings. My first edit may have failed to remove the fourth equal sign from the right side of the heading, but the second one did not, nor did the one I just did. Both are now Level 3 subheadings. One is not a subheader of the other.

2. You are not just reverting the heading. You also removed the other parts of my edit, including my proper removal of the bullet from the full paragraph per WP:BULLET, my removal of Talbot's full name and rank that was pointless used to start the Film and Video game sections, and you did this again even after I pointed it out to you, which will be viewed by the rest of the editing community as tendentious editing.

3. Calling subheadings "Animation" is not "idiotic". It a common practice across comics-related articles, and has been since I've started editing here in 2005. You can see if you read them. Readers can discern the details about each work by reading it. We do not need to spoonfeed them every single detail in a heading, especially since the practice on Wikipedia is to keep heading names as simple as possible, as indicated by WP:SECTIONHEAD.

If you need other editors and administrators to inform you of this, and to inform you that you have now violated the WP:CIVILITY with your unnecessary "sad pathetic" comments, I'd be more than happy to refer them to you. Nightscream (talk) 07:17, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Fox News- Various 'Is this RS' Noticeboards and RfCs

Greetings and Salutations, I recently edited an article you had previously edited. In your comments you identified Fox News as not an RS. There have been a number of RS noticeboard topics and RfCs on this subject before. Please see:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_73#Request_for_Comment_on_Fox_News_Channel
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_237#Is_Fox_News_a_WP:RS
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_226#The_status_of_Fox_News
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_233#Is_Fox_News_a_RS_on_issues_related_to_Hillary_Clinton?
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_238#Fox_News_reliability_RfC

As these discussions indicate, Fox News is considered a RS, despite the opinions of a vocal minority of editors, and that as it is already considered RS, any efforts to make it not RS would have to get significant consensus. As such, and because in another RfC it is recommended to back up People Magazine with another source on possibly contentious issues, I re included the Fox News ref you removed.Bahb the Illuminated (talk) 00:33, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

@Bahb the Illuminated: Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 00:43, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

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Allison Mack

I created Talk:Allison_Mack#Infobox/alleged_Clyne_marriage. I don't want an edit-war and I think it would be best if we took the discussion there rather than through edit-summaries.- Simon Dodd { U·T·C·WP:LAW } 17:00, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Publix

Oh, man, I'm so used to the phrase "undue weight" around here that I honestly didn't think of that. :) Trivialist (talk) 14:58, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Jamie Chung

Quoted from my user page:

Hi. Thanks for adding mention of Jamie Chung's appearance in the film 1985. However, please do not add content to articles that isn't accompanied by inline citations of reliable, secondary sources, as with this addition of yours to Jamie Chung, since, as you know by now, this violates the site's policies, and makes the article less verifiable to readers. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 13:14, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

None of the other filmography entries have citations in the Jamie Chung article, and the 1985 appearance and character name are in IMDB, which is generally considered a reliable source. But at your request, I included citations for the appearance and character name (which are consistent with what I remember from seeing the film four days ago, which I know is original research, but also backs up recent revisions to reliable sources). I put them into comments, because citing IMDB is not customary in filmography lists.

I've also reinstated the Golden Space Needle Award, this time with a citation of the source.

I don't know whether this reply will generate a notification for you if I put it on my user page, so I put it onto both pages. — Steve98052 (talk) 09:03, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

@Steve98052: Steve, please read my message carefully. I was thanking you for the addition of 1985.

The uncited material you added, however, is indicated by the diff link I included, which ("this addition of yours to Jamie Chung.."), which shows the material in question. Thanks for re-adding it with a citation. :-) Nightscream (talk) 13:37, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Aha, I saw the thanks, but the rest of the message (and particularly the revert) colored my interpretation of the message overall. But now that I've read the thanks as it was intended, you're welcome. —Steve98052 (talk) 05:28, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

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Copyright problem on Mary GrandPré

Content you added to the above article appears to have been copied from https://www.sarasotamagazine.com/articles/2003/11/1/marys-magic. Copying text directly from a source is a copyright violation. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the some content had to be removed and some was paraphrased. All content you add to Wikipedia must be written in your own words. Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 22:54, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

@Diannaa: I am well-acquainted with copyright, and nothing in my edits violated it. The material I added was indeed paraphrased where appropriate, just as the material I add to Wikipedia always is. The only passages copied verbatim are called direct quotes, and do not have to be paraphrased, by definition. Such quotes are typically found in biographical works because they convey nuanced ideas and qualities that are not easily conveyed when paraphrased, which you will find when you read such works. Moreover, questions of copyright are not predicated on the mere presence of material copied verbatim, but on the amount of material in proportion to the size of the original work: The idea that the quotes I added, which comprise about 110 words (out of the approximately total 400 words I added to the article), from a Sarasota magazine article of 1,075 words, would be a valid copyright problem, is so specious, that it is barely worth giving serious thought. I suggest you read up on copyright a bit more, when you find the time. If you have any further questions on copyright, and what is and is not a violation, let me know. :-) Nightscream (talk) 01:00, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

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Jamie Madrox

I wasn't sure if we were supposed to list the comment "In the 2018 miniseries Multiple Man" when describing this surviving clone of Jamie Madrox at the start of the new comic series. I had to mention what the M-Pox does to mutants on that page because of this side-effect of the Terrigen Mist following the "Secret Wars" storyline. I added a to the sentence because I thought it would only not be there if the page listed damages instead of damage. If the latter information that I told you is not how people say it, then I apologize for not knowing it. Did I leave anything out? --Rtkat3 (talk) 01:22, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

@Rtkat3: Dude, you can't write for shit.

First of all, you're not "listing" it, since the paragraph is written as prose, and not a list.

Second, if you "didn't know" if we were "supposed" to mention it, then why delete it? And why omit mention of this from your edit summary, which merely mentions "additions" --- the opposite of a deletion? Why would you not mention it? If you felt you had a rationale to remove it, why not provide it in the edit summary? In my opinion, storylines and series need to be identified as such, and giving their year of publication in the text (as opposed to the year of every single issue cited, which I think would be overkill) provides an explanatory historical context for the reader.

Third, you did not mention what M-Pox did. You simply said, "it causes M-Pox on mutants", without explaining what "M-Pox" even WAS, let alone what it "does".

Last, you couldn't even be bothered to preview your message here on my talk page, or check it after you left it, because you fucked up the italics, and didn't even bother to fix it afterwards.

All of this illustrates that you are semi-literate, have a poor grasp of vocabulary, show poor judgment in composing material for explanatory clarity, are deceitful in your arguments, and just plain sloppy. You need to stop editing, pick up a book, a magazine, a newspaper, and start READING. And I mean LOTS of reading. Because you can't write if you don't first read to see how writers write, and right now, your writing skills are piss poor. Nightscream (talk) 01:38, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Seriously! @Nightscream: this is going way too far! Be careful to not offend other users as you may have here!Qwerty number1 (talk) 20:41, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Dennis Cowan for deletion

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Bayonne High School Notable Alumni

Greg Aronowitz's notable works were already documented in the wikipedia page under his name (linked) and the cited works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rweicker (talk • contribs) 02:18, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

@Rweicker:

First of all, if by "wikipedia page under his name (linked)" you mean to say his Wikipedia article, that's not the article we're talking about. We're talking about the Bayonne High School article, as indicated by the fact that you correctly chose that as the title of this discussion. That's the article to which you added his name.

Second, the issue is not notability. It's Verifiability, which requires most material be accompanied by inline citations of reliable, published secondary sources.

Lastly, I would point out that Aronowitz's article barely makes no mention of Bayonne High School. The one mention of Bayonne in the Infobox was uncited, and most of the material in the article is either uncited or poorly cited. IMDB, for example, which is cited twice is not an appropriate source, since it's user-generated, the citation at the end of the Lead section is to his own company's website, which is a primary, self-published source, and not a proper secondary source published by someone independent of Aronowitz, etc. That leaves just two sources that mention him. Hardly a clear-cut case of notability. Nightscream (talk) 14:50, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Use of bare tweet urls instead of full cites of reputable publications

Hi, Nightscream! Could you do me a favor? I appreciate your edits at 2018 Russia-United States summit, replacing Twitter as a reference with proper sourcing. And I understand your frustration that some people use tweets as a reference when perfectly good news sources are available - as well as the fact that none of the regulars at the article have already fixed it. (Admitting to guilt myself on that front.) But could you please not say things like "Idiotic!" in your edit summaries? Those Trump-related articles are highly emotionally charged for many people, and we have enough trouble maintaining civility and order without edit summaries like that. Just please keep it in mind next time. Thanks! --MelanieN (talk) 17:23, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

@Nightscream:I’m the one who used tweets in the Russia summit article. They conveyed the full information described in my edits, as breaking news by qualified reporters, before the stories were published on news sites, providing timely information in an article that was a hot topic at the time. There was nothing inappropriate about using them, and the sources with which you replaced them did not elucidate further on what the edits stated. As far as the publication date not being shown, that’s due to which fields reFill picks up, or which fields Twitter chooses to expose, not due to my editing. Hope that allays your concerns. Cheers. soibangla (talk) 18:58, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

@Soibangla: Bullshit. WP:IRS requires us to rely on reliable publications, which is not predicated on the personhood of individuals. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a news source. (See WP:NOT for more on this). Wikipedia and its editors are not obligated to add information when it "breaks", especially if there are not reliable publications that can be cited to support it. (For that, there is Wikinews. I recommend you look that up.) When news breaks, news outlets report it immediately, on TV and on the Web. You are more than able to wait until such publications publish that info to add it to Wikipedia. Sloppily pasting the urls of tweets into articles, because "Oh, these are qualified news reporters", which is something the typical reader on Wikipedia may not be able to discern (not every reporter is a household name like Wolf Blitzer) without even bothering to add the publication info because you're too lazy to do so, and then blaming it on reFill or whatever else, is lazy, sloppy, contemptible editing that makes the reliability of the project less transparent to the reader. You had plenty of opportunity, if not when news was "breaking", then afterwards, to replace those embarrassing excuses for citations with reliable sources, and to add the proper publication info, but you didn't, because you prefer to engage in excuse-making for your laziness while editors like me who actually roll up their sleeves and do some actual legwork end up having to clean up your messes. You don't like being criticized for your laziness? The solution for this is simple: STOP EXHIBITING IT. Otherwise, keep your whininess off my talk page. You leave a mess for others to clean up, I'm gonna call you on it. Nightscream (talk) 22:02, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Not that, though I am not defending the user's actions, I believe that you have been too harsh on the user.Qwerty number1 (talk) 20:58, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Nicky Wheeler-Nicholson for deletion

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Chesley Sullenberger

Since you reverted an attempted improvement, I'd appreciate your input on Talk:Chesley_Sullenberger. 173.73.10.191 (talk) 23:42, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Black Label (comics)

Hi,

I see you've made a few changes to this page. Why aren't press releases a good enough reference to verify information? I understand they can't be used for notability but the information from them can be trusted Matt14451 06:07, August 21, 2018‎

@Matt14451: Hi, Matt. The reason is the one I gave in my edit summary, which included a wikilink to the relevant policy.

Also, please don't forget to sign your talk page posts. Thanks. :-) 13:41, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Lake Norman

Hello, I'm Washuotaku. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Lake Norman have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Help Desk. Thanks.

@Washuotaku: I don't see any edit of mine that has been undone. If you're referring to the passage on Trump, I didn't add that. (I did, however, change the citation to a better one.) Please check your edit history a bit more closely. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 02:51, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Edit on Robert Kirkman

Hey Nightscream. Could you help me understand what the purpose is of sorting Kirkman as an asterisk on Category:Invincible (comic)? I see two others there as well, but I don't understand why. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:43, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

I put the asterisk there because I saw the other two there. Obviously, whoever did that desired that BLP subjects be sorted apart from fictional characters. I don't know if there's a consensus or MOS or whatever, but if you object to this sorting, then shouldn't all three be so arranged either way? I have no preference, I just wanted to make it consistent. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 14:52, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

(we can keep discussion here, together) No worries. I just didn't know what the rationale was, and was unaware of the fictional vs. non-fictional aspect of it. I've no idea if there's a consensus on that or not either. I've no preference on it either; I just saw an

List of Suicides

Hi, I take your point. I actually wasn't finished with the Santos-Dumont entry as I had to leave the computer for a bit. Also I'm no stranger to the List of suicides, adding several people over the years. Koplimek (talk) 00:14, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

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About Miles Morales

Hi. I'm new to Wikipedia and I wanted to know if you can put a protection to this page. I really like this page and I'm afraid that someone might ruin it. Thanks! Penguin7812 (talk) 16:41, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks :D Penguin7812 (talk) 13:12, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Renaming and merging category

Hi, can you please show me how to rename a category? If so please let me know and I will tell you what category that I think needs renaming, or what you might call merging in this case. Davidgoodheart (talk) 04:45, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

@Nightscream: Hi, could you please add a merge button on Category:Kidnapped Hong Kong people as I think it should be merged with Category:Kidnapped Chinese people. I think we should only have a kidnapped Chinese people since Hong Kong and China are now one. Davidgoodheart (talk) 21:35, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Cwmhiraeth's false copyright infringement accusation

Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously. You must not copy and paste text from sources you find on the web into articles as you did in the article The Scoots. I have removed the infringing text, but the material you copied is subject to copyright, as is almost everything on the web, and when creating or expanding articles, you should completely rewrite the information from the source using your own words. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:31, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

@Cwmhiraeth: What in the world are you talking about? What copyright infringement? Are you referring to the plot synopsis I wrote? I wrote that synopsis myself from scratch, just as I do for most of the South Park episode articles! Just where do you think it came from? According to my web browser, the url mentioned in your copyvio template http://wiki.southparkstudios.co.uk/wiki/The_Scoots, cannot be accessed in the United States, so I have no way of viewing it, but if you found that synopsis on some British wiki, did it occur to you that it was they who copied my writing, and not the other way around??? Are you so unacquainted with decent writing in Wikipedia articles on popular entertainment, that you when you found identical material on a Wikia site (which tend to be far less regulated than Wikipedia), you just assumed, without verification, that someone on Wikipedia had to copy it from Wikia, and not the other way around? Did it ever occur to you to ASK ME before went and templated the article, resulting in that material's removal? Congratulations, genius! You just caused the removal of valid material from Wikipedia for no good reason! Nightscream (talk) 16:12, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You might moderate your tone, Nightscream; railing at people serves no useful purpose, and – if repeated – may cause you trouble (I note that you have just now removed from this page a warning from Drmies about attacking other editors). The content in question appears to have been published here on 31 October, the day before you added it to Wikipedia. Since you omitted to cite any independent reliable source for any of it, there's no way for anyone to know where it came from. Can you show (a) where it was sourced to and (b) that you wrote it before the Comedy Central page was published? If so, I'm happy to restore it. Oh, and on the topic of "decent writing", there is a lot you could learn by looking at Cwmhiraeth's work here. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:34, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

And it turns out that the I was wrong, what appeared to be so was not. My apologies. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:41, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: Would it be impolite of me to point out that you chastised and damned this user on the presumption that another was correct, and tacked on an insult in the assumption that is fine, then was informed somehow in the next minutes they were being unfairly accused, and you brusquely give a somewhat conditional apology. Probably, so sincere apologies for this, but that it what I'm reading, and it makes me reconsider how to avoid being a jerk, and how unhelpful that is. I can't think of a circumstance where it is helpful [and has never impressed my crushes]. I hope your future is pleasurable too, very possible with lots of interesting things to do. cygnis insignis 22:48, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

First, regarding your suggestion of one's tone...................LOL. You're adorable.

Second, an "independent reliable source" for what, exactly? For the fact that I myself wrote an original plot synopsis? Precisely what type of "independent reliable source" can one cite for one's memory of an action they themselves took? Or do you mean source for to compare the revisions to the two websites? Which source would that be? Would that be the url that the careless admin who made the false accusation in the first place included in his edit summary, which happens to be to a British site that my web browser on both my desktop and my cell phone said cannot be accessed in my country?

Lastly, as for your cute little notion that any synopsis that bears an identical, verbatim similarity to one I wrote was created before I created it, well, I would suggest that you consider the issue of time zones, and how different websites use different time zones for the purpose of revision indexing. I might also suggest that you consult Administrator Primefac, who pointed out, with diffs, that my synopsis was added to Wikipedia on October 31, while the one on Wikia was added November 2. I would imagine that that is the American website, with a different url for the same webpages, and/or that when time zones are accounted for, the edit history of that British website would show the same thing to whomever can access it. Nightscream (talk) 17:57, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Copyright violation templates

With some trepidation, I'd like to address the recent issue that lead to an ANI incident Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#False_accusation_of_copyright_violation_and_removal_of_material_by_Cwmhiraeth,_without_attempt_at_verification

You and I have interacted positively in the past. I hope I'm remembering correctly, I think it mainly involved choosing between two or more candidate photos for an article. For what it's worth, in my OTRS work I often entertain queries from people want to replace a photo in an article, and my advice is largely drawn from those interactions.

You are obviously a very prolific editor but as is often the case with many editors, there are so many aspects to Wikipedia, it is possible to work for years and have little involvement with one specialized aspect of Wikipedia. I've recently been doing a lot of work related to copyright issues, which can be challenging. I'd call it a thankless task but that would be overselling it. Most edits are greeted by silence, while a few result in challenges, sometimes acrimonious. There's the occasional rare thanks but that gets overwhelmed by negative reactions. I'm not surprised that so few editors choose to spend time working on reported potential copyright issues.

I do understand that are templated response is strongly worded, especially when it is an error. Id like to discuss how we might improve the wording.

Before discussing wording, I'd like to address your implied suggestion that editors working on copyright issues should adopt a different process. My inference from your response is that you think the editor in question should be notified before any action is taken, and only after that discussion should removal, if warranted, take place.

I'd like to suggest why I see issues with that suggestion. I'll only speak for myself, as I haven't done a review of all copyright policy issues, but I won't be surprised if my experience is representative. I use the Copy Patrol tool, which identifies hundreds of potential copyright issues each week. I'm far from the most active user of this tool but I do try to knock off 100 or so each week. I know that I occasionally identify what turns out to be a false positive. There are a couple reasons for false positives, which I can go into if you care. I've tried to learn from my mistakes but some are very difficult to identify in advance.

I did a survey of my own actions, and estimate that my false positive rate is slightly under 1%. In other words, if I review a report at copy patrol, and identify it as a false positive (and therefore take no action except to market as closed) or identify it as a real issue and revert it, I find that I make a mistake in slightly under one in 100 reports.

If I were to adopt what I inferred to be your suggested approach, of 100 reports that I review in a week, I would have to write 100 post to editors about potential incidents, and wait for them to respond before taking action. And 99 cases, they wouldn't be able to demonstrate that it was not a problem and it would then be removed, and in approximately one of 100 cases, they would identify why it was a false positive, and the edit would not be reverted. That would be a massive increase in work, resulting in us leaving hundreds of copyright violations in place while we are in discussion, all to save one revert which can easily be undone. That sounds like an enormous waste of resources.

Back to the message.

I agree it is strongly worded, and basically assumes that it is one of the 99 out of 100 correctly assessed copyright policy violations. While that's a high hit rate, I think we can do better. I'm wondering if we could start it was some wording that suggests our review is often correct but is subject to error, and be more clear about what steps should be taken if the editor believes the assessment was incorrect. I haven't thought through specific wording yet, but would be interested in your feedback.S Philbrick(Talk) 17:27, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Sphilbrick. Good to hear from you again. I thank you for your good-faith attempt to address issues like this. It's a shame we don't see this from the runaway train editors who cause messes like this, or those who act as apologists for them.

I don't have much experience in templates, but wording was not the problem. The problem was the accusation itself. It was made on the basis of an assumption ---- that identical material on two websites meant that A copied it from B, without any explanation given of how it was known that B copied it from A, and the way that this was used to justify instant blanking of an entire section of an article that I worked hard on. The problem is not wording, but the way that the careless admin didn't bother to so much as even ask me about it before jumping the gun. Nightscream (talk) 18:03, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Discussion was closed, but I want to say that this was not good; I would prefer that this sentiment be foremost and emphasised in templated advice on this. The two themes that first come to mind when I read through this are copyvio, of course, and BLP, another issue taken pretty seriously when it comes to the subject of articles, but not so much the creators of those articles. This is a rough deal, considering the wages … so it goes. A solution may emerge from consideration of both those concerns, an appreciable loss arising from application of both, and the onus lies more those who deliver and apply it than 'one of the hundred' who receive them as a 'false positive'. That being what others want to do (grudgingly, oddly) I accept they may lose focus of one or the other, although intellectual liberty being at the heart of both policies and actual laws in theory. Hope your future experiences are more pleasurable. Sincerely, cygnis insignis 14:50, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: As just a random kibitzing admin, I would suggest that there is perhaps more obligation (on the part of the individual who suspects a copyright violation) to communicate, to investigate, and to report, when dealing with an experienced, active editor. Suspected cut-and-paste copyvios are far more likely to be false positives when dealing with editors who have a long track record of positive contributions, compared to new editors unfamiliar with our norms (or indifferent to copyright law). Of the hundred or so copyright infringements you deal with in a given week, how many involve editors with several years' experience or several thousand edits? While a customized message and prior discussion with the editor are understandably too much to ask for resolving most copyvios, a more nuanced approach wouldn't be unreasonable when dealing with experienced editors, where a false-positive error is much more likely. ("Hey, it looks like text you added to this article directly matches text on this external site. Unless I'm reading things wrong, it looks like their text was uploaded on/before date, whereas you added the text to Wikipedia later, on date. I've taken the precaution of blanking the text from our article until this is cleared up, and my apologies in advance if this turns out to be an error. Can you help shed some light on this?")

On the flip side, if we detect a genuine copyright violation by a long-established, prolific editor, we should be mobilizing a much more robust response than quietly blanking the offending text, templating the offender, and washing our hands. An editor who copy-pastes once, left unchecked, is likely to do so again. If Nightscream had been the sort to copy-paste text willy-nilly, then his 100,000-plus edits over the last 13 years would have become a truly monumental headache for WP:CCI—and letting him continue to edit without close supervision and a very good explanation could have been an ongoing disaster.

While not an admin, Cwmhiraeth has almost a decade of active editing experience, and I would have expected them to be a little more conscious of the circumstances. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 17:33, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

THANK YOU. To both of you. Nice to hear words of sanity and reason for a change. :-) Nightscream (talk) 17:49, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

TenOfAllTrades, Speaking only for myself, you've largely summarized my practice.

I have been actively (though not recently) involved in Wikipedia:Contributor_copyright_investigations, although more in the clearing than the creation. Having seen a number created, they roughly follow a three-step process:

1. Identification of a copyright violation needing reversion and deletion revision
2. Observation that the editor involved in the specific incident is a long time editor necessitating review of other contributions
3. Creation of a formal CCI if there are at least five instances of prior problems

When it comes to copy patrol review, I always look at a number of things each time I undertake a review. While checking for false positives is important, it's far from trivial to articulate a foolproof way to identify them. That said, one of the things I check is the editor's edit count, as editors with a high edit count are rarely unaware of copyright issues and it's worth checking further and possibly asking questions if the tool is suggesting a copyright issue.

My proposal to revisit the wording we use when posting to the editor's talk page is still a worthwhile exercise, but I do agree that reviewing the editors edit count is a more important step. I think that's something I do routinely, but still find the occasional false positive so would still be willing to discuss with someone how to rethink our canned response. One possibility is to retain the existing wording which might be used in the case of editors with a low edit count, as a false positive is much less likely, and consider alternative wording, much like you suggest in the case of experience editors. S Philbrick(Talk) 21:46, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

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A goat for you!

Thanks for your work on improving Wikipedia!

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@Qwerty number1: Which article were you referencing in particular? Nightscream (talk) 22:14, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Generally, but in particular, [[2]]. Qwerty number1 (talk) 21:10, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

@Qwerty number1: Thanks. Happy Holidays. 2600:387:5:805:0:0:0:BB (talk) 23:10, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

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Why is my IP blocked?

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Nightscream (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

The page to which I was directed informs me that my IP is blocked because it "is believed to be a web host provider or colocation provider." I don't much attention to my computer's IP, but the computer I'm using the is the same desktop computer I've been using since I bought it in 2010. It is not a web host provider, I don't even know what a "colocation provider" is, and I've never had problems with it.

Accept reason:

Responded by email. You appear able to edit. Feel free to make another unblock request if affected again, but please make a note of the IP address. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 08:25, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

November 2018

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for making personal attacks towards other editors. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Drmies (talk) 18:30, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

• You were blocked for insulting edit summaries before, on 25 June 2011 to be precise. So a week-long block for this snarky edit summary should not come as much of a surprise. Drmies (talk) 18:32, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Breathe (upcoming film) listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Breathe (upcoming film). Since you had some involvement with the Breathe (upcoming film) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 (talk) 16:47, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Fixing External links

Hi, could you please fix the external links on this article Chiang Kai-shek, which are not correctly formatted. I can only do some much editing myself at a time. Davidgoodheart (talk) 00:27, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

@Davidgoodheart: I suggest you simply edit what you can, given the time that you have. Nightscream 16:46, December 3, 2018‎

Article ownership, deliberate mendacity, et al by User:SanAnMan

Your recent editing history at Unfulfilled shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. SanAnMan (talk) 23:42, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

This is the only warning you will receive about ownership of articles, which you showed at Unfulfilled. The next time you continue to disruptively edit Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. SanAnMan (talk) 23:43, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

@SanAnMan: You have jack shit in the way of authority to give "sole warnings" for anything.

I'm going to alert others to your recent behavior, including the content blanking you engaged in when you deleted an entire article wholesale without a valid rationale, and the lies you told on the Unfulfilled talk page, not the least of which when you falsely claimed that there was an "agreement" about press releases that I somehow was a part of. Nightscream (talk) 01:09, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

ANI Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.

@BOZ: Boz, I wasn't able to complete my diff-based summary of the evidence of SanAnMan's behavior until now. I know the discussion was archived, but this cannot be let go, since he is going to continue his behavior. Should I wait until after Christmas to post it? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 05:00, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

I would be careful, as there was some blowback in the ANI thread. If it was simply closed due to inactivity, and the concerning behavior has continued, then I would go ahead and post a link to the archived discussion, and post your summary thereof. If the other user seems willing to let it go or move on, then let it be. It's kind of a "their move" thing, as it always should be. Just examine what you have seen since you started the first ANI thread up until now before you make your decision on whether to move on. BOZ (talk) 04:27, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

That's what I was planning on doing: Just post a link, and then my summary of diffs info. Nightscream (talk) 14:18, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

@BOZ: Hey. My evidence is now up at ANI. Could you offer your opinion in this discussion? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 15:42, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Comics

You edit comic articles? And yet you slum it on south park talk pages and ANI, what a curious character you are my new, witty and acerbic acquaintance. What would you think of an overt attempt to distract you with a collaboration on a comics page, which I never touch [because of my deep knowledge of the medium, I'll add as an act of friendly provocation]. Fairly transparent what I'm doing, and I need the distraction too, although I am sincere if you wish to rise to the challenge of a working on a GA for the benefit of our dear readers. cygnis insignis 05:09, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

@Cygnis insignis:

Editing South Park is "slumming"? How so?

ANI is a matter of necessity, like a route canal. I do not enjoy going there.

I'd be more than happy to work with you on a comics article. Nightscream (talk) 14:19, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

How to edit

Please teach me how to edit Electronic ticket (talk) 16:03, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

@Electronic ticket: Hi, Electronic ticket! Welcome to Wikipedia!

The best place to start learning would be at Wikipedia:Tutorial. Nightscream (talk) 16:14, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of File:CampGreenwichLogo.jpg

The file File:CampGreenwichLogo.jpg has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Unused logo with no article used, it's also can't move to commons because of an unused logo will be deleted as of out of project scope.

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Merry Merry

		Happy Christmas!
		Hello Nightscream, Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?" My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 19:20, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@MarnetteD: Thanks, buddy. I want you to know that light of all the negativity that often greets me on Wikipedia, and how as a result, I've come to dread seeing that little red notification at the top of the page when I've logged in, messages like yours are genuinely appreciated. Happy Christmas to you too. :-) Nightscream (talk) 19:28, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

I know what you mean! I wish they had a different color for when something nice happens :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 19:30, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@MarnetteD: LOL. Listen, speaking of my efforts to keep WP "readable", I'm embroiled in a conflict with someone who often acts contrary to that effort. I still have to present my evidence in the ANI case. After I do, would you be willing to take a look at it and offer your sincere opinion? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 19:32, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Of course I'll take a gander. Without knowing anything about this the two things I can recommend are 1) be thorough with examples 2) try not to take anything personal - in my experience admins tend to tune out when things become personal attacks. I hope this helps. MarnetteD|Talk 19:35, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Xmas Eve N. Okay this is a different experience - I've had so many red pings that were "editor X as mentioned you on their talk page" that were thanks that I've almost forgotten that red pings are negative - well ALMOST - I'm sure it will come back to me next year :-D Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 02:08, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@MarnetteD: You know, I was having the same feeling right now when I got your notifications. :-) Merry Christmas, buddy! Nightscream (talk) 03:05, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@MarnetteD: Hey. My evidence is now up at ANI. Could you offer your opinion in this discussion? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 15:40, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

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I'm wishing you a Merry Christmas, because that is what I celebrate. If you don't like Christmas or just don't celebrate it in any of its forms, then please accept a generic "Happy Holidays". If you celebrate no holidays at this time of year, then hopefully you will be satisfied with an even more generic "Season's Greetings".  :) BOZ (talk) 15:43, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

	Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
	Hi Nightscream, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy and Prosperous New Year, Thanks for all your help and thanks for all your contributions to the 'pedia,    –Davey2010 Merry Christmas / Happy New Year 14:50, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

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Miles Morales's Spider-Ham

Hello, since we solved that inconvenience, I wanted to know if we should add the Miles's version of Spider-Ham called Miles Morhames. I'm not making it up, he actually exists and I don't if he should be mentioned or is he too ridiculous to be included? I hope to hear from you soon. Thank you and happy holidays. Penguin7812 (talk) 12:37, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

@Penguin7812: What's the source? Nightscream (talk) 15:19, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

[3] here it is. Penguin7812 (talk) 06:18, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@Penguin7812: Other wikis cannot be used, for reasons described at WP:USERG. I would try to find a secondary source, like a review or article at Newsarama, CBR.com, IGN, etc. If Google doesn't help, I recommend finding a review for the first comic in which that character appeared at Comic Book Roundup. And if you absolutely can't find a secondary source, then cite the primary source of the comic you personally read featuring that character. Nightscream (talk) 07:02, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I'll look for a secondary source. Thank you. He was created by Joshua Hale Fialkov and Andre Lima Araujo. He first appeared in Ultimate FF #4 in September, 2014. Penguin7812 (talk) 07:25, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Xmas

FWiW Bzuk (talk) 01:28, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello Nightscream, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019. Happy editing, Rtkat3 (talk) 13:58, 25 December 2018 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

WP.NOTBROKEN listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect WP.NOTBROKEN. Since you had some involvement with the WP.NOTBROKEN redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 (talk) 22:38, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Your revert at List of suicides

Your reversion at List of suicides moved Atsumi Yoshikubo's entry from Y back to A. Y is still part of the main list; Yoshikubo is the family name. 2601:194:380:1320:D501:F52A:A37E:4D2F (talk) 08:01, 31 December 2018 (UTC)