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Fiat 527

		The Rosetta Barnstar
		Thanks for translating Fiat 527 from sv:, it looks great! --Merovingian (T, C) 10:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Monobook

I have made several improvements to the monobook code since you last updated yours. Lightmouse (talk) 16:46, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

10 feet (3,000 mm) Risk of systematic error

In the Jaguar Mark VIII article I see that ten british feet convert as 3000 mm. That's wrong. I think ten British feet equate to about 3.048 meters. Might there be a systematic error of say 1.5% with this formula? Am I missing something obvious? What should I / you / someone else do if there is?

(How helpful of Jaguar to produce a car with a ten foot wheelbase).

Regards Charles01 (talk) 20:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

bhp:Kw conversion formula 110 bhp (80 kW)

Sorry to bother you with another of these but ....

I think the bhp / Kw conversion formula is excessively rounding the values. I took a random selection of cars that I have owned or own or used regularly (so for which I know the data relatively well) and found a systematic error averaging above 2%. I added to the sample some figures I'd been taking out of some old ADAC roadtests that I've been looking at, and added two more from powerful cars I wish I'd driven (to check a couple of bigger values). Some of the individual errors got beyond 5%, however, especially with the smaller engines. That's really more than you want when converting bhp power output to Kw output.

Questions:

1. I'm not an engineer. I could be missing something obvous. Am I?

2. But if you agree we have a problem here, is there something I or you or ? can do about it?

And please. And thank you. Regards Charles01 (talk) 16:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

(I wonder if I can paste my workings here.... No. But I'll paste the columns from my Excel spread sheet on MY talk page (in case you want to look at them - probably quicker to do the recomputations yourself, though). That way I can avoid cluttering up your talk page, and clean them off my own talk page in a day or two.)

Yes. Your explanations look like my solution. Very many thanks.

(On 'British bhp' we the British are, as in so many ways, stuck in the gap between the two continents. At one time one had to distinguish between bhp (SAE) and bhp (DIN). These days, I think 'British' bhp is always the same as PS. However, my son, who may be closer to current British usage than I am, doesn't. You are fortunate in not needing to think about this because you appear to live in a country where they only use one system of measurement at a time. We still get pounds or kilos and litres or pints selected according to which values the marketing department thinks looks better on the packages of whatever it is they want to sell us.)

Regards Charles01 (talk) 17:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I think should make bmw 340 article with emw details

I think I agree with you (though provided there's a link from one to the other it doesn't necessarily matter so much which it is called?). I guess at least among English speakers far more people would look for it under BMW than under EMW. I guess that's the thinking behind your remark.

In a funny sort of way, BMW 340 looks more difficult than some of the other BMW entries I've been doing because there is much MORE information already in the other wikis, especially (but not exclusively) at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMW_340. So it won't be a quick one to do. But (unless you will get in and do it first) it has been on my 'to do' list for a while and will stay there until it's been done. And I'm sure that if I am the one to start it, I'll learn a lot (which is at least a part of the point for me) in the process! Might even improve my 'technical' vocabulary which is a personal weakness that the standard Langenscheidt doesn't fully address - though careful consideration of other wiki translations usually gets me there in the end.

Regards Charles01 (talk) 13:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for helping me out. -- 224jeff6 (talk) 17:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Iso Rivolta

Typ932, did Iso make mopeds? I'm only finding references to their scooters. I am thinking that Category:Moped manufacturers should be changed to Category:Scooter manufacturers, unless you know better. (Either way, Category:Scooter manufacturers should be added, but I'll wait for your advice.) 24.69.22.73 (talk) 01:02, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Rollback

You have been 2 granted with the rollback permission on the basis of your recent effort on dealing with vandalism. The rollback is a revert tool which can lessens the strains that normal javascripts such as twinkle put on the Wikipedia servers. You will find that you will revert faster through the rollback than through the normal reversion tools such as javascripts and the undo feature, which means that you could save time especially when reverting very large articles such as the George W. Bush page. To use it, simply click the link which should look like [rollback] (which should appear unbolded if you have twinkle installed) on the lastest diff page. The rollback link will also appear on the history page beside the edit summary of the lastest edit. For more information, you may refer to this page, alternatively, you may also find this tutorial on rollback helpful. Yamamoto Ichiro ?? 20:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

BMW Models Timeline Template

I'm thinking about translating an entry into English on the BMW 3200 CS. In the process, I THINK I MAY have come across a couple of errors - questions anyway - on the timeline template.

I think the E9 link was wrongly directed. I have changed the link. If you think I am missing something obvious, please change it back.

There is a red link for the BMW 3.0 CS somewhere round 1962. I do not think BMW had a 3.0 engine at this date. There was a BMW 3.0 CS later - I think included with the E9 entry. But I have not removed this link in case I am wrong and / or because I don't know what it will do to the rest of the diagram if I start messing with it here. Do you have a view?

(Meantime I'm still thinking about turning the red 3200 CS link blue.)

Regards Charles01 (talk) 11:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

We crossed edits

It looks like we both fixed the same anonymous "ferrari" intrusion at Lamborghini just now. Good work :) Cuddlyable3 (talk) 08:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Almera article

Thanks for the updates there, I forgot the predecessor information! James ^MSC 20:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Template: Lexus

The 2009 RX is included because, if you look at Lexus' website and pressroom.toyota.com, the 2009 RX has been announced. Likewise, on the Toyota cars template, the 2009 Corolla, Camry, and Matrix have been announced. On the Toyota truck template, the 2009 Venza has been announced. On the Honda template, the 2009 Fit has been announced. But all other 2009 models on all four aforementioned templates have not been announced. Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 18:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Which is why another editor and I had agreed with the usage of blank space instead of the space used for "no model released", something that other editors seem to have disagreed with. Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 18:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

No, it's officially confirmed. It wouldn't be there if the manufacturer hadn't explicitly stated the availability of the 2009 model. Extending lines without confirmation violates WP:Crystal Ball, and not extending lines for announced models does not provide factual, up-to-date information Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 20:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

No, actually, the RX proves your assertion wrong. People DON'T know when replacing models are coming, people can only speculate. Case in point, the RX was speculated to be redesigned for MY2009. People had made a section in the RX article stating this fact, and people that advocated extending lines had made the MY2009 RX block a new model. But Lexus announced that the MY2009 RX would be a carryover, proving my point that only announced models are to have extended lines. Speculation can often turn out to be disproven. Another example is the Toyota Sequoia, which had been rumored to be redesigned as an MY2009 car, but Toyota opted to release the new Sequoia as an MY2008 model. Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 21:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybach Exelero

Alright, thank you. I'm going to get a jumpstart on that. That page needs some serious cleanup! -- Carerra^"OoOoOooh!" 11:38, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Alternative Userboxes

I don't know what you mean. I have a vague idea though. For example, I added the original box on my user page and you left a greeting on my talk page, and adding me to the list of members. Is it that the new userbox doesn't add people to the list of users? And I don't know how to make it add to the list of users. I'm still new to Wikipedia. -- 224jeff6 ^TALK2ME 19:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter, Issue 1

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year I - Issue 1 - February 2008
"So to avoid any confusion, here is the order: Hakkinen leads and is yet to stop. Coulthard leads and is yet to stop..." - Murray Walker
From the editor Hello, Reader! Welcome to our first monthly Formula 1 WP Newsletter. This is to give you the best source of information, right in your user talk page. We hope that you find this newsletter useful, and please leave me a message on this newsletter in my talk page. All that is left to say is, I hope that you enjoy the read! Enjoy! --LB22 (talk) 21:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
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General Formula One news Most of the teams have unveiled their challengers for 2008, apart from Super Aguri.

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Issue 2

Welcome to Issue 2!

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year I - Issue 2 - March 2008
"The running gag of the Grand Prix series is that whereas Murray, safe in the commentary box, sounds like a blindfolded man riding a unicycle on the rim of the pit of doom, the men actually facing the danger are all so taciturn that you might as well try interviewing the cars themselves." - Clive James
The 2008 Formula One season is almost underway in the relaxed atmosphere of Melbourne. There we will see what rivalries are in store, with everyone hoping that the championship will be just as close as last year. The controversies of 2007 are long gone, ready to be replaced by the sweet smell of good old sportsmanship. Chubbennaitor (talk)
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Recent Formula One news All of the F1 teams apart from Super Aguri have been taking part in the final full test of the off-season at the Circuit de Catalunya. Retired former champion Michael Schumacher was on hand to test the Ferrari F2008. [1] Super Aguri's future is hanging in the balance as talks continue with parent team Honda. [2] Ferrari's Italian court case against McLaren continues, with several of the British team's personnel being questioned. [3]

Fiat 131

You undid some edits to Fiat 131, with particular regard to removing WikiLinks from dates, citing WP:CARS. However, if you were to follow this sub-link - Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Layouts - you will see that you are in fact wrong, as dates are CLEARLY Wikified in car pages. I have therefore reversed your edit. Rgds -- Teutonic Tamer 09:52, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Your reply with the following link Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#Autoformatting_and_linking makes no mention of NOT including date links - so where exactly are you getting your info from? I personally think you are vey wrong at deleting all the car date links!!! -- Teutonic Tamer 10:03, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

That link you provided (Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#Years_linked_in_a_list) is on a TALK page. Furthermore, that relates to linking years in "lists" - the 131 (and all car articles) are NOT lists. Until an "item", or specific concern is clarified - and actually appears on the main article page, then it isn't deemed as being the established protocol! Regarding your comment on why I link years - I thought that would be fairly self explanatory - look at the toolbox on the left side of the page, "what links here" - and you will find that a superb tool for specific searching on a particular subject - particularly year pages. -- Teutonic Tamer 10:19, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I can justify that linking dates DOES help readers. Take the date when the 131 was introduced - 1974 - readers may also like to learn of any other events of that year: other cars introduced, fashions, global economies, political events, etc, etc. As far as I can see, there is absolutely no harm in linking dates - afterall, if the reader has no desire to read no further than the original article, they they are not forced to click on the link! -- Teutonic Tamer 10:25, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I have added my reply on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Automobiles#Year_linking - Rgds -- Teutonic Tamer 17:59, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thank you very much, Sir.

Regards Charles01 (talk) 17:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

kW template

First, let me say that it is indeed very pleasing to work with you and Charles. --- As you may have noticed, I´ve begun to use PS/hp/kW templates for European (mostly German) cars (and hp/kW templates for the US versions). Now, there are several markets where they have used kW for decades - South Africa, Australia and, strictly speaking, even Europe. What is missing therefore is a template kW - hp - PS (or kW-PS-hp). Unfortunately I´m not able to create such a template. You seem to be quite knowledgeable about those things, so could you probably help? Would be great. Regards, --328cia (talk) 17:41, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Gosh, hadn´t seen that...that´s a template missing from the Wiki Auto templates page, if I´m not mistaken. Thank you, great! --328cia (talk) 17:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

This whole hp conversion thing will bother us for a long time. It used to be so simple, but with a new DIN norm doing away with the old conversion formula (1.014) and the recent US hp adjustments, this will be Pandora`s box. D`oh! --328cia (talk) 17:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Categories

Hi there, yes you're right it is wrong , thanks for the info. Stonufka (talk) 12:31, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Next NW (Early)

This is early for reasons LB22 and I understand.

Automotive industry

Indeed, all figures are from 2006 (as were the Scania numbers I added). However, if the page reflects current ownership structure (which it does, both for Scania/VW and Daimler/Chrysler, for example) then the 2006 production numbers for each group should also reflect the total of the group members. This is the difficulty in combining current state (company/brand ownership) with old statistics -- but unless we revise the table to reflect the state of the industry as of 31.12.2006, I believe we need to have the numbers match the table. Tomh009 (talk) 18:12, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, those were the 2006 Scania figures I added to VW's 2006 figures. If you're OK with that, then, I'll add them back in. Tomh009 (talk) 18:34, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good, will do. Thanks for the suggestion ... ja hauskaa viikonlopun jatkoa! Tomh009 (talk) 18:54, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year I - Special Edition - 2008 F1 Preview
"And it's GO GO GO! Anything can happen in Formula One and it usually does!" – Murray Walker
Welcome to the 2008 Season Preview provided by Chubbennaitor, Diniz and LB22.
The 2008 Formula One season is underway tonight. A sense of a new term starts in Melbourne's pit lane and the practices start at 11:00pm (GMT) tonight (13th March) and will show all of the rivalries we will be seeing during the season. With three contenders for the title, Kimi won't have it easy with Lewis, Fernando and the other drivers hot in pursuit! Enjoy the special issue! LB22 (talk to me!)Email me! 20 44, 13 March 2008 (UTC) and Chubbennaitor!
Team and Driver Lineups Ferrari 1. Kimi Räikkönen 2. Felipe Massa BMW Sauber 3. Nick Heidfeld 4. Robert Kubica Renault 5.Fernando Alonso 6.Nelson Piquet Jr. Williams 7. Nico Rosberg 8. Kazuki Nakajima Red Bull 9. David Coulthard 10. Mark Webber	Editor's Prediction This is the predictions of our editors LB22 (talk · contribs): I think Hamilton or Kimi will win the title and BMW will win a race or two Diniz (talk · contribs): As long as Wikipedia covers it encyclopedically, I don't mind! Chubbennaitor (talk · contribs): Hamilton or a suprising Jenson Button. Kovalainen's in with a chance of the title too. After the start of the season Ferrari most likely won't win. The Melbourne Grand Prix Circuit. File:Kimi Raikkonen qualifying.jpg The reigning champion, Kimi Räikkönen. 2005 and 2006 champion Fernando Alonso returns to Renault.
Toyota 11. Jarno Trulli 12. Timo Glock Toro Rosso 14. Sébastien Bourdais 15. Sebastian Vettel Honda 16. Jenson Button 17. Rubens Barrichello Super Aguri 18. Takuma Sato 19. Anthony Davidson Force India 20. Adrian Sutil 21. Giancarlo Fisichella McLaren 22. Lewis Hamilton 23. Heikki Kovalainen

PS revisited

Hi Typ 932, would you please fill me in why the PS/hp/kW template should be obsolete? Am I missing something? Also, the bhp/kW/PS templates you just inserted into BMW E39 are clearly wrong - 150 bhp equal 152 PS, in the case of 520i for instance, whereas the car had 150 PS = 148 hp. Strictly speaking, a kW/PS/hp template would be correct, as power outputs were officially measured in kW at that time (and semi-officially only in PS). Regards, --328cia (talk) 18:19, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I don´t like kW either - but as the EU is about to rule out any mentioning of PS in advertising and brochures, I think one should respect that (grudgingly). Plus, I don´t see what´s so difficult about the difference between PS and hp; in the final analysis, it comes down to if you´re a narrow-minded, biased person or someone interested in the world outside your own pigsty...(being cynical now). It´s this kind of person that´s increasingly upsetting me; another popular point here is the perennial mixing-up of calendar and model years...(see my recent edit of Porsche 993 for this - introduced in "1995", ha-ha.) --- Happy Easter days, --328cia (talk) 19:03, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that´s true (and annoying enough). Do you have a link to any model year vs. calendar year discussion or corresponding guideline within the project, for future reference purposes? --328cia (talk) 19:14, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! (kiitti? kiitos?) --328cia (talk) 19:23, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

A car manufacturers name is not included in the model name

Can i ask why you have reverted to adding the name of the car maker to each car model - mainly listing them as Opel's?

Opel is part of the General Motors group of companies so your listing of the Omega, for example as an Opel product in the title of the article is incorrect as it appears under several different names within the GM group of companies car lists.

Also each of your corrected articles state again for example below:

The Opel Tigra is a small coupe produced by Opel.

You also have introduce repartition in each article where i removed the makers name from car model name and the line above should begin with:

The Tigra is a small coupe produced by Various manufacturers in the GM group.

Opel is the make of the car and Tigra is the model, when you inspect the brochure the cover will say "Tigra" and not "Opel Tigra".

I would welcome your comments on this query?

msa1701 (talk) 17:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

What i am also saying is that you are labelling all these car models as Opels - but they are also made and badged by other companies within the GM group so your labelling of them as only Opel models is incorrect would you not agree?

Regards

msa1701 (talk) 07:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Car brands / models

From your message you see all these cars as Opels but reviewing your homepage you are from Finland so you would only see Opel products, i am in the UK (England to be exact) and we have Vauxhalls which are the same models as yours and these cars are not listed as opels - so the articles should all begin with the model name and then list who it is manufactured by.

What i am saying is listing these cars that you have corrected as for example "The Opel Astra" is incorrect Opel is not the exclusive manufacturer of GM vehicles.

Regards

msa1701 (talk) 08:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

While seeing your point and (honestly) trying to adjust for my continental bias, there´s still the fact that Astra, Omega, Vectra and so on have, to the best of my knowledge, been developed by Opel and were/are mainly built at Opel´s factories. Besides, have you ever seen a "GM Corsa"? I bet not, and in my opinion, it´s sufficient to have an "Opel xxx" page and enumerating in the first paragraph or in the infobox the cloned models, as it is currently handled. According to your logic, there would be a "GM Monza" page, for instance, containing as disparate models as the Senator-based coupé, Chevrolet`s Monza and the Brazilian Vectra-based Monza; I don´t think this would make a lot of sense. Also, in many cases the badge-engineered cars do have their own wiki page anyway, e.g. Holden Astra. --- Like Typ 932, I propose you bring this topic up on the WP:Cars talk page; there will be knowledgable people who can tell if this has been discusssed before or if there are corresponding rules to go by. Cheers, --328cia (talk) 09:35, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Come to think of it, a Ferrari Testarossa would then be a Fiat?? --328cia (talk) 10:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

F1 newsletter 20080403

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year I - Issue 3 - April 2008
"We will miss him a little bit as a driver, we will miss him a lot in the football matches." Jarno Trulli on Michael Schumacher. [4]
The Current Improvement Drive is Juan Manuel Fangio.
The 2008 Formula One season is underway. With the relaxing atmosphere of the first round at Melbourne (where Lewis Hamilton won with Nick Heidfeld second and a superb Nico Rosberg in third after a very eventful race with only seven drivers finishing) behind us, the focus then shifted to Malaysia. A superior Kimi Räikkönen got back on track with a great win; Robert Kubica and Heikki Kovalainen finished in distant second and third places followed by a tremendous Jarno Trulli and unlucky Lewis Hamilton in fourth and fifth places respectively. Mark Webber, Fernando Alonso, David Coulthard and Jenson Button all showed their teams' strong improvements and performances in seventh, eighth, ninth and tenth respectively. The two Grands Prix have shown all the rivalries we will be seeing during the season and how dependent the results are on the removal of traction control and engine braking. Bahrain is here and I bet everyone out there is hoping for a very good and close-finishing race there. Chubbennaitor and -- Diniz (talk) 00:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
News New members -- Tompw (talk · contribs) (March 2, 2008) PYLrulz (talk · contribs) (March 25, 2008) SheffieldSteel (talk · contribs) (March 27, 2008) Xtreme racer (talk · contribs) (March 30, 2008) Sage Callahan (talk · contribs) (April 1, 2008) Barkjon (talk · contribs) (April 2, 2008) New Recipents -- Oahiyeel (talk · contribs) (March 18, 2008) The359 (talk · contribs) (March 30, 2008) Barkjon (talk · contribs) (April 2, 2008) The 1995 Japanese Grand Prix article has been listed as a Good Article. Image:Heidfeld and Rosberg - 2008 Melb GP.jpg has been promoted to Featured Picture status. Image:Lewis hamilton - 2008 Melb GP.jpg is a current Featured Picture candidate. Please leave comments here. Image:Kimi Raikkonen 2008 Australia.jpg is a current Featured Picture Candidate. Please leave comments here. You can leave your comments on the Newsletter on either LB22's Newsletter Desk or Chubbennaitor's Newsletter Desk. We now have an IRC channel. Only two of the editors will be able to see the queries. The Newsletter is now being handed out by BCBot.	Editor's Comment We need a few users to help me with this newsletter. If you are interested, please leave me a message on my talk page (and the other contributors) or sign up on the "Contributors" list of the central newsletter page and we will tell you everything you need to know and answer your questions. Current contributors - LB22 (talk · contribs) Diniz (talk · contribs) Chubbennaitor (talk · contribs) Other areas where you can help - Keep up some of the great facts in the "Did You Know" section of the Formula One portal! Remember, yours may be put in next Wednesday! Help out with the articles in Category:Formula One stubs. Read the to-do list in Portal:Formula One and help to complete the tasks. Selected Image -
Recent Formula One news Raikkonen:I'm not going to dominate '08 Ecclstone :Mosley stay away from Bahrain Coulthard pays tribute to old mentor David Leslie Extra seats for British GP FIA quiet about Max Mosely FI confident for Q2 McLaren to the end of the pits FIA confirm quali rule change Ex-FIA president passes away Honda not in with the points for Bahrain Sepang: Night race main priority Qatar wants to be a stop for the F1 circus Schumacher to help with McLaren spy gate money Toro Rosso is put on the market
Drivers' Championship Position Driver Team Points 1st Lewis Hamilton McLaren 14 2nd Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 11 3rd Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 11 Constructors' Championship Constructor Points McLaren 24 BMW Sauber 19 Scuderia Ferrari 11 Standings after the 2008 Malaysian Grand Prix. See 2008 Formula One season for further season summary and formula1.com or ITV-F1.com (and there is more there for the championship) for complete standings and statistics.
Last race Driver Racing Time Fastest Last Qualifying Time Kimi Räikkönen 1h31m18.555s 1m36.230s Robert Kubica +19.57s 1m36.727s Heikki Kovalainen +38.45s 1m36.613s Last Race Grid Line up Driver Time Felipe Massa 1m35.748s Kimi Räikkönen 1m36.23s Jarno Trulli 1m36.711s* Malaysian GP results Malaysian Grand Prix 2nd test results Malaysian Grand Prix 1st test results *Jarno Trulli was promoted 2 places after Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen were demoted 5 places for impeding in qualifying

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Dates reply

Hi Typ932, I replied to your question on my talk page. -- de Facto (talk). 20:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

{{unblock|not vandal}}

I could be mistaken, but this appears to be a misunderstanding or mistake of some sort, at least at first glance. I've contacted the blocking admin. Please stand by. – Luna Santin (talk) 08:00, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

It's too obvious, I unblocked. MaxSem^{(Han shot first!)} 08:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Typ932, my most sincere apologies for this. It seems I accidentally blocked the wrong person at this article by clicking the block button for the wrong contributor, purely by accident. Again, apologies so much for this; if you like, I'll further annotate your block log to note my apology. Thanks also to Max and Luna Santin for dealing with this in my absence. So sorry, and I hope you have a good weekend, Daniel (talk) 09:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Nominate for F1POM & F1DOM

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WPF1

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year I - Issue 4 - May 2008
"We're watching Ralf Schumacher... son, of course of double world champion Michael Schumacher..... er, the brother of Michael Schumacher.…." Murray Walker
The Current Improvement Drive is Juan Manuel Fangio.
Honda made significant changes to the RA108. The first flyaway stages of the 2008 season have come to a close with Bahrain, where Felipe Massa, Rubens Barrichello, Jarno Trulli and Giancarlo Fisichella drove storming races to 1st, 11th, 6th and 12th respectively. Robert Kubica also looked impressive (especially during qualifying), and looks for BMW Sauber to be in championship contention. The unfortunate Lewis Hamilton finished in 13th, losing the championship lead to Kimi Räikkönen. Jenson Button (who retired) had a race to forget after a qualifying session to remember. Then most of the cars got updated and the teams tested their first 2009-spec cars in tests at the Circuit de Catalunya. In a probable look into the future of Formula One design, Renault used RBR's idea of a 'shark fin' on the airbox and the teams looking into the 2009 regulations, including the planned introduction of slick tyres. Honda tried a 'dumbo wing' on the car's nosecone and every other team tried to improve. Super Aguri lost their deal with the Magma Group after the planned buyout last month fell through, but did make it to the Spanish GP; SA's future is in the air again and still looking poor. The Spanish GP got underway with the hope that the adaptions will give new teams chances to win or get in the points. Fernando Alonso starred in qualifying by setting a provisional pole position time just before Kimi Räikkönen took it away by 0.091s. Toyota have made a jump from their slot at 11th-12th on the grid to clear points positions. McLaren didn't have a nice time with fifth and sixth places, in addition to David Coulthard who could only manage 17th after having a bad last lap. The Circuit de Catalunya saw Kimi Räikkönen take the glory with Felipe Massa and Lewis Hamilton finishing in second and third places respectively. Jenson Button, Fernando Alonso and Giancarlo Fisichella all drove one of their most best races, with Kazuki Nakajima also showing that he and WilliamsF1 are worth their stay in Formula One. Heikki Kovalainen had a nasty crash, causing a prolonged Safety Car period. He was rushed to hospital for checks; thankfully he was announced to have no serious injuries. Toro Rosso had a race to forget after both their cars were crashed out by other drivers. At the start of the season the FIA threatened the cancellation of the Spanish and European GPs if racism continued in Spain after after hearing of the racial abuse directed at McLaren's Lewis Hamilton while he was testing the MP4-23 at Barcelona during Winter testing. However, this was considered 'stupid' and has not happened due to the Spanish GP is completed and the European GP sold out.' Chubbennaitor, Sage J Callahan, Diniz(talk),  Barkjon , Motofan
News New members -- Deltasquared (talk · contribs) (April 11, 2008) Clyde1998 (talk · contribs) (April 13, 2008) Colinsuper7 (talk · contribs) (April 18, 2008) Motofan (talk · contribs) (April 23, 2008) Notime2cry (talk · contribs) (April 25, 2008) New recipents -- Sage Callahan (talk · contribs) (April 10, 2008) Clyde1998 (talk · contribs) (April 13, 2008) Aldango (talk · contribs) (April 22, 2008) Motofan (talk · contribs) (April 24, 2008) New editors -- Barkjon (talk · contribs) (April 2, 2008) Sage Callahan (talk · contribs) (April 13, 2008) Motofan (talk · contribs) (April 30, 2008) YOU can nominate and vote for the F1 picture of the month here and F1 driver of the month here. If you want to redesign the Newsletter then please leave a comment and what you want to happen here	Editor's Comment We need a few users to help me with this newsletter. If you are interested, please leave a message on an existing editor's talkpage or sign up on the "Contributors" list of the central newsletter page, and we will tell you everything you need to know and answer your questions. Current contributors - LB22 (talk · contribs) (retired) Diniz (talk · contribs) Chubbennaitor (talk · contribs) Barkjon (talk · contribs) Sage Callahan (talk · contribs) Motofan (talk · contribs) Other areas where you can help - Keep up some of the great facts in the "Did You Know" section of the Formula One portal! Remember, yours may be put in next Wednesday! Help out with the articles in Category:Formula One stubs. Read the to-do list in Portal:Formula One and help to complete the tasks. Leave any queries at the Newsletter Desk Selected Image - April's Monthly F1 picture Jack Brabham leads a group of cars during the first lap of the 1963 Dutch Grand Prix.
Formula One news from the Month Fry pours cold water on SA deal BMW pushing to the edge for Turkey Kovy making big recovery and hopes for Turkey Honda are sure of strong car in Istanbul Rubens proud to beat Patrese's record Jaime Alguersuari will have first F1 test for RBR Mallya backs Sutil's recovery SA closing re-rescue deal BMW Sauber thinking about using Ferrari 'nose hole' nose cone Williams thinking over engine cover Mosley inocence declared in Paris Webber pushes for Barcelona track Heidfeld: SC rules stupid Oz ready for GP Track change Sato had the race of his life (2008) Button shocked over first points from '08 Drivers worried over tyre warmer ban Sato proud of SA's courage Schu's in the money... and the screens Silverstone looking at a secure future Negotiations still ongoing over SA 'EveryRace' anti-racist campaign underway Renault unsure on new car Brawn enthusiastic on Honda recovery Mosley: I have backing of FIA majority SA depending on Honda Magma group pulls out of SA deal RBR style 'shark fin' for Renault Lewis' wing broken before incident STR3 gets first run
Drivers' Championship Position Driver Team Points 1st Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 29 2nd Lewis Hamilton BMW Sauber 20 3rd Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 19 4th Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 18 5th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 16 6th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 14 7th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 9 8th Mark Webber Red Bull 8 9th Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 7 10th Fernando Alonso Renault F1 6 11th Kazuki Nakajima WilliamsF1 5 12th Jenson Button Honda F1 3 13th Sébastien Bourdais Toro Rosso 2 Constructors' Championship Position Constructor Points 1st Scuderia Ferrari 47 2nd BMW Sauber 35 3rd McLaren 34 4th WilliamsF1 12 5th Toyota F1 9 6th Red Bull 8 7th Renault F1 6 8th Honda F1 3 9th Toro Rosso 2 10th Force India 0 11th Super Aguri 0 Standings after the 2008 Spanish Grand Prix. See 2008 Formula One season for further season summary and formula1.com or ITV-F1.com (and there is more there for the championship) for complete standings and statistics. Bahrain Grand Prix Driver Constructor Qualifying Time 1st Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1m33.123s 2nd Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1m33.418s 3rd Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1m33.096s 4th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1m33.737s 5th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1m33.488s 6th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1m33.994s 7th Mark Webber Red Bull 1m32.371s 8th Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 1m34.015s 9th Timo Glock Toyota F1 1m32.528s 10th Fernando Alonso Renault F1 1m35.115s Bahrain Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1m33.096s Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1m33.123s Row two Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1m33.292s Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1m33.418s Row three Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1m33.488s Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1m33.737s Row four Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1m33.994s Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 1m34.015s Row five Jenson Button Honda Racing F1 1m35.057s Fernando Alonso Renault F1 1m35.115s Massa answers critics with win Kubica hits tremendous pole Friday Practice 2: Hamilton Crashes whilst Ferrari's don't budge off 1-2 Friday Practice 1- Ferrari's lead while Williams star Spanish Grand Prix Driver Constructor Qualifying Time 1st Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1m21.813s 2nd Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1m22.058s 3rd Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1m22.096s 4th Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1m22.065s 5th Mark Webber Red Bull 1m22.429s 6th Jenson Button Honda F1 1m21.211s 7th Kazuki Nakajima WilliamsF1 1m21.117s 8th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1m22.529s 9th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1m22.542s 10th Timo Glock Toyota F1 1m21.230s Spanish Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1m21.813s Fernando Alonso Renault F1 1m21.904s Row two Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1m22.058s Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1m22.065s Row three Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1m22.096s Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1m22.231s Row four Mark Webber Red Bull Racing 1m22.429s Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1m22.529s Row five Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1m22.542s Nelsinho Piquet Renault F1 1m22.699s Raikkonen cruises to an unchallenged victory Raikkonen beats amazing Alonso to pole Heidfeld at the top for Saturday morning Ferrari just pip Renault off top Ferrari top in Friday Practice Driver of the Month Ayrton Senna Ayrton Senna at Imola 1989. Ayrton Senna at the 1991 United States Grand Prix. Ayrton Senna (da Silva) is most known for his push to win, much the same as Gilles Villeneuve. Senna is a three time Formula One Champion, winning in 1988, 1990, and 1991. Many people have compared Senna to Juan Manuel Fangio, who is known as "The Master" of Formula One. Senna is a Brazilian, and raced for Toleman, Lotus, McLaren, and Williams. Statistically, he is among the greatest ever, with 41 wins and 65 pole positions. His then-record of 65 pole positions was broken by Michael Schumacher in the 2006 San Marino Grand Prix. His rivalry with Alain Prost is among the most legendary in Formula One, going as far as Senna colliding with Prost in the first turn of Suzuka in 1990, giving Senna the title. Tragically, Senna died during the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix when his Williams left the track at high speed, hitting the concrete retaining wall at around 135 mph. No driver since has been killed while driving a Formula One car. His skill in wet weather and bad conditions has made him stand out among other drivers. Where most people would choose to drive conservatively, to avoid causing a crash, Senna would still push his hardest. Following the death of Senna (and Roland Ratzenberger), many safety improvements have been made. What could possibly be better than his on-the-track skills was what he did off the track. His character and attitude has made him a legend among F1 fans. Nominated by Sage Callahan

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Hi, Typ932. I'm trying to move the ball forward on this topic and hold namecalling and invective to a minimum here on WPA. If you have a moment and can add your thoughts, the odds of a productive outcome would likely improve. Thanks. —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 15:34, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

F1POM and F1DOM

You can vote for the Formula One Picture of the Month/Driver of the Month at User talk:Chubbennaitor/F1POM and User talk:Sage Callahan/F1DOM. We really need your votes as the last picture and driver was decided. Chubbennaitor 07:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Nice work

I wouldn't have the patience to edit the way you do on car articles. Certainly makes things look a lot better. Good to see. John Nevard (talk) 03:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Prius and Minor edits

Just thought I'd mention that you marked an actual change in the facts of the article and marked it as a minor change. WP:MINOR is for "typo corrections, formatting and presentational changes, rearranging of text without modifying content, et cetera."Somedumbyankee (talk) 16:34, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Changing the list of cars by CO2 and adding substantial data to the sales area, even if they are sourced changes, are changes to the content, not just changes to formatting. The changes you made are sourced additions and fine for contributions, but if you have to cite it, it's not minor.Somedumbyankee (talk) 16:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I use section edits to avoid having to hunt around on the page.Somedumbyankee (talk) 16:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

A quiet word . . .

-- Teutonic_Tamer (talk to Teutonic_Tamer) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and happy editing!
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You seem to be resorting to personal attacks against me (WP:ATTACK), both article talk pages, and on some edit summaries - I don't like them, they are untrue, and I don't see why either I, or Wikipedia should tollerate them. Whilst I accept that we are all individuals, and have differents points of view (sometimes diametrically opposed!), we should all assume respect and good faith towards one another. At the end of the day, we are all here because we want to improve articles in Wikipedia. We are all human (apart from the Bots!), and all make mistakes - if we do find that we are disagreing with each other, then can we please try to work together, rather than antagonising each other. Warmest regards -- Teutonic_Tamer (talk to Teutonic_Tamer) 14:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, I agree with the WP:CARS (which what I think you meant!) concensus, but I don't think that we should automatically accept that the "current" concensus be "set in stone". I'm sure you have gathered that I am not afraid to challenge the convention, and even if it appears to go against me, at least the issue is raised, and a new perspective to the argument discussion can be added. I accept that sometimes you win, sometimes you lose in situations like this. If I do appear to "lose", I would like to hope that it doesn't portray me in a bad way.

Regarding the "fan" issue - unlike you, I only have interest in, and experience of European car brands. I do have a specific expertise in Ford, Vauxhall/Opel and the Volkswagen Group brands (being a qualified Motor Vehicle Tech, and working on them for many, many years), which is why I generally stick to what I know, and which is probably why you think I'm a fan of these brands (if anything, I'm more of a "fan" of trucks, and Unimogs!), but I certainly try to be un-biased. I don't think it would be appropriate for me to edit, say, american car articles (because I have no knowledge of them, and I don't actually like most american cars) - is that a good method or bad? I too try to be encylopaediac in my edits, sometimes I get it wrong, but I do try to get it right. I don't know if you have looked at my user page, where you can find details of my academic reference books, which I tend to refer to when in doubt. Anyway, kind regards -- Teutonic_Tamer (talk to Teutonic_Tamer) 15:29, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Conversion formulae on your user page

Morning. I've just noticed the Conversion formulae on your user page - I hope you don't mind if I link your user page on my own! Could I possibly ask a suggestion? Would it be possible for you to put them all in a WikiTable, so that the answer examples are all aligned? One other question, you have striked through the "auto PS" formula, and whilst I understand that the convention is to use kW where preferable, many manufacturers (particularly German and French) still only quote engine power in PS - or is it possible to use one of the existing conversion tepmlates? Regards -- Teutonic_Tamer (talk to Teutonic_Tamer) 10:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Tables = much better, thanks -- Teutonic_Tamer (talk to Teutonic_Tamer) 12:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (June)

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year I - Issue 5 - June 2008
"Unless I'm very much mistaken....I AM very much mistaken!" Murray Walker agrees with most people who talk about him.
The Current Improvement Drive is Juan Manuel Fangio.
Lewis Hamilton lived up to McLaren's expectations with a memorable win at a rainswept Monaco Grand Prix. Carnage after the pit lane pile-up. Rosberg just becomes untangled while Hamilton and Raikkonen get out of their cars Carnage after the pit lane pile-up. Hamilton and Raikkonen's cars left stranded on the pit-lane exit. Robert Kubica secured his and BMW Sauber's first win at the Canadian Grand Prix. Rubens Barrichello had to be one of the drivers of the month after scoring consecutive points and out racing his team-mate Jenson Button. The week before the Turkish Grand Prix there was a controversy over Super Aguri being barred from the Istanbul paddock. This was a result of Honda's Nick Fry telling Bernie Ecclestone that Super Aguri wouldn't be competing in the race after worries that Weigl's sponsorship would be insufficient. The next day Super Aguri announced that they would be departing from Formula One, as the team was past saving. McLaren went into Turkey hoping for a good result and got a mixed one with Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen finishing second and twelfth respectively. The lights had a bit of a problem at the start but eventually the race got underway with Hamilton overtaking his team-mate. Kimi Räikkönen got overtaken by a fast-starting Alonso while Giancarlo Fisichella charged into the back of Kazuki Nakajima. Hamilton chose a three-stop strategy due to high tyre wear, but put in a fantastic overtaking manoeuvre on Felipe Massa. Late-race there was a three-way battle between Jenson Button, Nelsinho Piquet and a recovering Kovalainen, who had his left-rear tyre punctured by Räikkönen's front wing on the first lap. Button was struggling on the option tyre while Piquet was trying some moves; on his second overtaking chance he pushed Button into the pit entrance causing Button to slow. Probably thinking it was Hamilton lapping him, Button let Kovalainen pass on the corner immediately after (first corner). Massa thus won the first race of the month, with Lewis Hamilton and his Ferrari team-mate following in hot pursuit behind. Rubens Barrichello celebrated his 257th Grand Prix start by finishing 14th with a "257" paint job on the car and a special "257-themed" helmet. Barrichello's 257th GP race surpassed Riccardo Patrese's former record of 256 GPs, making him the most experienced driver in F1 history. After the Spanish Grand Prix he celebrated in a round of golf accompanied by ITV's Louise Goodman and fellow racers. A week before the Monaco Grand Prix a test was held at Paul Ricard. There were mixed results with only 11-12 cars being tested per day and the sessions being affected by changeable weather. Honda kept their promise and the wings on the nose got a makeover with other visible changes as well. Then the circus moved to Monaco, the stylish venue on the calendar mapped around the bay of Monte Carlo. McLaren's drivers had special diamond studded helmets for the occasion. On the Tuesday that week Mark Webber proved to be the man of the hour after using First Aid on his companion, AMD's Morris Denton, alongside cycling legend, Lance Armstrong. A car had hit Denton through some traffic works; he would need 90 stitches but arrived at the paddock that weekend. Fisichella didn't get his wish of a points finish on his 200th Grand Prix start after retiring with a jumping gearbox. At the start of the parade lap, Kovalainen stalled and had to start from the pit lane, but despite starting from there he grabbed the last of the points-paying positions with eighth and catching up to seventh; he finished three seconds behind Kazuki Nakajima after the gap was sixteen seconds just five laps before. The race started in the rain for the first time since 1997 and the Ferraris came under pressure from Hamilton at the start with Räikkönen falling back to third. Massa led early on, whilst Hamilton tapped the wall and sustained a puncture. However, the McLaren team was able to use the changed pit-stop strategy to their advantage due to frequent Safety Car periods and the gradual improvement in the weather that necessitated a switch to dry tyres before the end of the race. While Massa and Robert Kubica struggled on worn tyres and heavy fuel loads mid-race, Hamilton was able to build up a big enough lead to maintain first position after his second pit stop. Kubica, who jumped past Massa when the Ferrari driver had a brief excursion at Ste. Devote, finished ahead of the Brazilian in second place, but there was last-minute drama behind. Adrian Sutil was running in a strong fourth place after the final safety car period until a recovering Räikkönen, who had earlier damaged his front wing and been forced to pit, slipped up going into the Nouvelle Chicane. Kimi only put on another new front wing and rejoined in ninth, but a devastated Sutil had bad car damage and retired just before the race's 90% distance mark. This left the way clear for Webber, Sebastian Vettel (débuting the Toro Rosso STR3 chassis), Nakajima, Barrichello and Kovalainen to finish in the points. Two weeks later, the championship moved to Canada on its annual trip to North America. The track had been partially resurfaced since 2007, but these new sections of tarmac began to break up, causing a hazard throughout the race weekend. Nevertheless, Hamilton seemed unaffected as he set a pole position time 0.6 seconds faster than second-placed Kubica. In the race, the front two and third man Räikkönen held position until the first round of pit stops, which were taken under Safety Car conditions. Hamilton lost position to his two pursuers with a longer stop, but then compounded his problems by running into the back of Räikkönen as the Finn and Kubica waited for the green light to come on at the end of the pitlane. Both retired, whilst Nico Rosberg (who was also involved) lost his front wing. Both Hamilton and Rosberg have been given ten-place grid penalties for the next race of the season, in France. This incident, fuel rig problems for Massa and Kovalainen's poor pace turned the race into an all-BMW Sauber fight between Kubica and Nick Heidfeld. Choosing different strategies, the former prevailed by making an additional pitsop to the latter. The race marked Kubica's and BMW's first win in F1, and the first time since the 1999 European Grand Prix that neither Ferrari, McLaren nor Renault has appeared on the podium, as David Coulthard finished in third place to take his first points of the season. Timo Glock was also a first-time 2008 scorer as he beat the recovering Massa to the flag, and they were followed home by Jarno Trulli, Barrichello and Vettel. Massa performed the most impressive pass of the race in his progress from the back of the field following his fuel glitch by passing Jenson Button and Kovalainen simulataneously at the Old Pits Hairpin. The result has elevated Kubica into the lead of the Drivers' Championship, with Hamilton, Massa, Raikkonen and Heidfeld not far behind. Chubbennaitor,  Barkjon , Diniz(talk) Sage J Callahan
News New members -- Cdhaptomos (talk · contribs) (May 9, 2008) JoBeSi (talk · contribs) (May 9, 2008) Bigmouth strikes (talk · contribs) (May 20, 2008) Ashley89H (talk · contribs) (May 25, 2008) Donnie Park (talk · contribs) (June 2, 2008) Wael.Mogherbi (talk · contribs) (June 7, 2008) New recipients -- Donnie Park (talk · contribs) (June 2, 2008) Cdhaptomos (talk · contribs) (June 11, 2008) New editors -- None If you have any comments or improvements for the Newsletter please post them at the Newsletter desk	Editor's Comment We need a few users to help me with this newsletter. If you are interested, please leave a message on an existing editor's talkpage or sign up on the "Contributors" list of the central newsletter page, and we will tell you everything you need to know and answer your questions. Current contributors - LB22 (talk · contribs) (retired) Diniz (talk · contribs) Chubbennaitor (talk · contribs) Barkjon (talk · contribs) Sage Callahan (talk · contribs) Motofan (talk · contribs) Other areas where you can help - Keep up some of the great facts in the "Did You Know" section of the Formula One portal! Remember, yours may be put in next Wednesday! Help out with the articles in Category:Formula One stubs. Read the to-do list in Portal:Formula One and help to complete the tasks. Leave any queries at the Newsletter Desk Selected Image - May's Monthly F1 picture Below is the F1 Picture for last month (found here) which is decided on every 25th-27th of each month. The picture has to be one uploaded that month and only from the current season. It is exclusive to the Newsletter. May picture-Jenson Button at the Malaysian Grand Prix, notice the difference of the wings from what now stars.
The month's Formula One news Ove Andersson killed in rally crash Dennis receives motoring medal Hamilton and Rosberg get 10-place grid penalty after Kimi shunt Track resurfaced Mosley wins confidence vote in Paris Brawn confident of points finish at Canada Ecclestone calls Mosley to stand down Button focused on 2009 revival Silverstone gets planning permission for revamp Honda Racing F1 Team takes environmental pole position Mosley declines compromise deal Kovalainen praised by McLaren Heidfeld not to take official action over Alonso tangle Kubica: Title my aim Lewis sure Sutil will bounce back Mike Conway scores first GP2 win Bruno Senna keeps tradition with win at Monaco Hamilton in for Goodwood Frank Williams celebrates 600th GP start Alonso: Expect Monaco surprise Hamilton: Monaco win a dream Webber hero of the hour when saving friend Fisi looking for point at 200th GP Customer car row nearing resolution Hakkinen escapes house fire Williams regrets split with BMW Trulli fastest in rain-affected test Diamond-studded helmet for Hamilton Kubica to collect Bandini Trophy in... his F1.08 Raikkonen brings Ferrari back on track Monaco style test led by Hamilton Renault create YouTube page RA108 to have some visually interesting changes Blackmail plot against Sutil uncovered Q1 tweaked down to only 5 cars after SA departure Davidson: I WILL BE BACK Rubens to have special livery at Turkey STR3 to make debut at Monaco Super Aguri withdraw from Formula One FIA go into 'Nazi' controversy Sato was confused about SA being barred SA cars were barred from Istanbul paddock
Drivers' Championship Position Driver Team Points 1st Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 42 2nd Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 38 3rd Lewis Hamilton McLaren 38 4th Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 35 5th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 28 6th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 15 7th Mark Webber Red Bull 15 8th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 12 9th Fernando Alonso Renault F1 9 10th Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 8 11th Kazuki Nakajima WilliamsF1 7 12th David Coulthard Red Bull 6 13th Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso 5 14th Rubens Barrichello Honda F1 5 15th Jenson Button Honda F1 3 16th Sébastien Bourdais Toro Rosso 2 Constructors' Championship Position Constructor Points 1st Scuderia Ferrari 73 2nd BMW Sauber 70 3rd McLaren 53 4th Red Bull 15 5th Toyota F1 17 6th WilliamsF1 15 7th Renault F1 9 8th Honda F1 8 9th Toro Rosso 6 10th Force India 0 11th Super Aguri1 0* Standings after the 2008 Monaco Grand Prix. See 2008 Formula One season for further season summary and formula1.com or ITV-F1.com (and there is more there for the championship) for complete standings and statistics. ^Note 1 : Super Aguri withdrew from the championship on the Wednesday before the Turkish Grand Prix. Turkish Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Felipe Massa2 Scuderia Ferrari 1h26m49.451s 2nd Lewis Hamilton McLaren +3.779s 3rd Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari +4.271s 4th Robert Kubica BMW Sauber +21.945s 5th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber +38.741s 6th Fernando Alonso Renault F1 +53.724s 7th Mark Webber Red Bull Racing +1m04.229s 8th Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 +1m11.406s 9th David Coulthard Red Bull Racing +1m15.270s 10th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 +1m16.344s Turkish Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Felipe Massa2 Scuderia Ferrari 1:27.617 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1:27.808 Row two Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:27.923 Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1:27.936 Row three Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1:28.390 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing 1:28.417 Row four Fernando Alonso Renault F1 1:28.422 Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1:28.836 Row five Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1:28.882 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 1:29.959 Massa takes hat-trick win Massa masters Istanbul qualifying again Practice 2:Raikkonen back on form Practice 1:Massa tops time sheets Note 1:Rubens Barrichello qualified 12th and finished 14th on his record-breaking 257th Grand Prix start beating Ricardo Patrese's record of 256 Grand Prix starts. ^Note 2 : Felipe Massa took his hat-trick win and pole position at the Turkish Grand Prix. He won in 2006, 2007 and now 2008 Note 3:this was the first time in the 2008 season that Sebastian Vettel finished a race. Monaco Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Lewis Hamilton McLaren 2h00m42.742s 2nd Robert Kubica BMW Sauber +3.064s 3rd Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari +4.811s 4th Mark Webber Red Bull +19.295s 5th Sebastian Vettel3 Toro Rosso +24.657s 6th Rubens Barrichello4 / Honda F1 +28.408s 7th Kazuki Nakajima WilliamsF1 +30.180s 8th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren +33.191s 9th Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari +33.792s 10th Fernando Alonso Renault F1 +1 Lap Monaco Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1:15.787 Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1:15.815 Row two Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:15.839 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1:16.165 Row three Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1:16.171 Nico Rosberg WilliamsF12 1:16.548 Row four Fernando Alonso Renault F1 1:16.852 Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 1:17.203 Row five Mark Webber Red Bull 1:17.343 David Coulthard3 Red Bull no time Hamilton wins highlight Monaco win Massa and Ferrari get shock front row lock and pole Sat P: Kovalainen first even though crashing Thursday P.2:Hamilton takes back McLaren rule Thursday P.1:Raikkonen leads first Note 1:This was Giancarlo Fisichella's 200th Grand Prix start. ^Note 2 : This was Frank Williams's 600th GP start as a manager of a WilliamsF1 ^Note 3 : Sebastian Vettel, Fisichella and David Coulthard got five plae grid penalties for changing their gearbox. [5] ^Note 4 : Car #17 and #21 were under investigation for reasons undiscovered and there wasn't an outcome in the end Canadian Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 2nd Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 3rd David Coulthard Red Bull 4th Timo Glock Toyota F1 5th Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 6th Jarno Trulli Toyota F1 7th Rubens Barrichello / Honda F1 8th Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso 9th Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 10th Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 Canadian Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:17.886 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1:18.498 Row two Kimi Räikkönen Scuderia Ferrari 1:18.735 Fernando Alonso Renault F1 1:18.746 Row three Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 1:18.844 Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari 1:19.048 Row four Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 1:19.089 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1:19.633 Row Five Rubens Barrichello / Honda F1 1:20.848 Mark Webber Red Bull no time4 LH takes pole while the rest of the grid seems to be turning upside down saturday P:Rosberg tops with Piquet shockingly going eighth Friday P2:Hamilton retakes glory while Button relives Canada woes Friday P1:Massa tops damp opener Note 1: Vettel didn't qualify after hitting the wall and damaging his STR3 in Saturday morning practice. Note 2: Bourdais changed his engine after qualifying and got a five-place grid penalty (to the back of the grid. Note 3: Button set one time of 1:23.565 but then drove back into the pits with a gearbox problem he started 18th on the grid in front of the two Toro Rossos. ^Note 4 : Mark Webber spun at the end of Q2 but with a secured place in Q3. He did not set a time due to the car not being suitable to drive. --Diniz(talk) 20:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC) Your monobook needs to be updated to avoid an error Hi, Your monobook needs to be updated to avoid an error. The convert template code has changed and it will no longer accept 'sq' or 'cu' with metric units. Thus '|sqkm|' will have to be changed to '|km2|'. All existing pages have been updated. Any new use of the template with '|sqkm|' will produce an error on the page. The code for non-metric units is unchanged and can be either '|sqft|' or '|ft2|' format. For example: {{convert|$2|sqft|sqm}} should be changed to {{convert|$2|sqft|m2}} If you want more advice, please ask at Template talk:Convert. Or ask me, I would be glad to help you update your monobook code. Regards Lightmouse (talk) 09:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC) Your monobook needs to be updated to avoid an error Hi, Your monobook needs to be updated to avoid an error. The convert template code has changed and it will no longer accept 'sq' or 'cu' with metric units. Thus '|sqkm|' will have to be changed to '|km2|'. All existing pages have been updated. Any new use of the template with '|sqkm|' will produce an error on the page. The code for non-metric units is unchanged and can be either '|sqft|' or '|ft2|' format. For example: {{convert|$2|sqft|sqm}} should be changed to {{convert|$2|sqft|m2}} If you want more advice, please ask at Template talk:Convert. Or ask me, I would be glad to help you update your monobook code. 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