User talk:Vanderwaalforces/Archives/2023/11 (November)

Laspur

Please delete Laspur page it is uncomplete i want to rewrite this article. Thank you Anima303 (talk) 05:49, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@Anima303 Hi there! While I am not capable of deleting a page, if you think the page is incomplete, you can simply add to existing details (citing your sources). And if you’re not confident of doing it directly on the one on mainspace, you can do it on your user subpage, like, User:Anima303/Laspur, after which you can now copy the content into the one on the main space.

I will really urge you to please try to improve the page either ways, and make sure you cite your sources.

See you later, regards. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:56, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Vanderwallforces, you can disregard the above message. The user is a sockpuppet who has been repeatedly making disruptive page moves of settlements in that region. Thanks. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:21, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ivanvector Right, thanks so much for the notification. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:28, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Why did you decline my article, "List of Muslim-American federal judges"

Hi Vanderwaalforces,

I was just wondering why you declined my article Draft:List of Muslim-American federal judges. I addressed the reasons for the decline that the previous reviewer before you left.

Best,

@Applescapable Applescapable (talk) 18:15, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Applescapable, is it just two people that are Americans who are Muslims and are federal judges? Also, the title of the draft doesn't seem correct grammatically. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:02, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

The answer to your 1st question: from the sources I've looked at they are the only two federal judges (at the District or Circuit level) that are American and Muslim. Also, what about the title makes it seem grammatically incorrect to you? Applescapable (talk) 19:29, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Is the title not supposed to be American Muslim? Instead of Muslim-American. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:31, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

As an example, the title of this article has the race before the word "American". List of Hispanic and Latino American jurists. So I believe the answer to your question is no. Applescapable (talk) 19:34, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I think you need a source that discusses them as a group per WP:NLIST. The title is secondary but I don't think we have list articles about judges based on religion (i.e. Catholics, Hindus, etc). S0091 (talk) 19:49, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Looking for some more information about the declined page of 'Companions Opera'

Hi Vanderwaalforces, First of all: thank you for reviewing the Draft:Companions Opera-article so fast.

It's the second time the draft is declined because of lack of neutrality. Please could you give me some advice which part/which sentences I have to change to get the draft accepted? It's not clear for me at this moment. Hopefully you can give me some advice. Milcof (talk) 21:19, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@Milcof Hi, hope you are doing well. There's this three core content policies on Wikipedia that must be followed at all times no matter the topic you are writing about. The neutral point of view, no original research, and verifiability policies. A lot of statements on that article are unsourced and as such, makes them an original research, which Wikipedia does not like.

Let's say, I, I mean, myself, I want to write about Companions Opera, I honestly won't write as much as it is in the draft right now, unless there's really a lot of information about it online that even someone like me, who doesn't really know much about it, can write about, which is obviously not the case here.

The subject might be notable, but welp, fails the very first three core content policies and won't be further considered unless it passes that stage first.

Hope this helps. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:31, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

New page reviewer granted

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Thank you so much @Ingenuity Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:09, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

nice! FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:27, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@FuzzyMagma any word for your newest patroller please :-)? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:06, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

lol nothing tbh, you will do good FuzzyMagma (talk) 12:14, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:25, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Regarding your decline of Draft:Andrei Khlobystov

Hi. Your decline and comment on Draft:Andrei Khlobystov are quite errant. Firstly, you declined it with the BLP rationale, but this seems like an incorrect application, as this decline should only be used for uncited material that leans in the negative/defamatory direction; perhaps the v or ilc decline rationales are moreso what you were trying to mean. Secondly, a COI editor editing an article in draftspace if fine; we want COI editors to edit in draftspace where we can keep an eye on them and check to see if their work is sufficient (see WP:COIEDIT). A draft whose primary editor is someone with a COI is not proscribed and should be treated like any other draft, albeit it would be wise to give a closer-than-typical view. By my eye, the subject seems to pass WP:NPROF on a few counts (citations, full prof in the UK system), so I'm going to give it a copyedit and accept it. Cheers, Curbon7 (talk) 00:53, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Curbon7 Good day, hope you're good. It's good to know that you have accepted it now. I totally understand your points and I have also accepted a draft that was created by a user who received payment for it because they publicly declared it. I even worked on most of the drafts I have accepted.

I'm glad I received your message and will keep them in mind in my future endeavours. Do not hesitate to let me know when you notice anything else as it will guide me, plus, I am a new reviewer who is following ethics back-to-back while reviewing.

Thanks again. Regards. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:13, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Request on 09:44:53, 2 November 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Fitzgunnar

• Fitzgunnar (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:International University Rankings (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Vanderwaalforces, and thanks a lot for reviewing the article. I totally agree with you that it is not great, and that references are missing. However, it is not a totally new article, but a split from the current article 'College_and_university_rankings'. I want to split that page into one for international rankings and one for national rankings ('National College and University Rankings'). I have spent a lot of time improving the international article, and even though it is not great, it is a lot better than the current one. So, you should not judge it on its own, but in relation to the current article. (The alternative is of course to remove the current page, and let me write a totally new article on international university rankings. I would not mind that at all, actually - I could remove a whole lot of stuff I don't care about.)

I should also say that the article on national university rankings was also rejected, by MicrobiologyMarcus, and I left a corresponding plea on his talk page. You might want to talk to him.

Fitzgunnar (talk) 09:44, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Fitzgunnar Hello :) Please do not feel bad because it was declined. I love your rationale of the proposer, but Wikipedia is a community that involves volunteers and most decisions are based on consensus. So, please allow the discussion here Talk:College and university rankings#Splitting proposal to end before trying to split it. If the community does/not want it that way the discussion will tell.

Happy editing and Regards. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:57, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I had not seen the posts on the split proposal. Thanks! Fitzgunnar (talk) 10:05, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Vanderwaalforces: just wanted to add I've also given some advice about the split and the other draft in the draft space here. Thought I'd let you know because I'm pretty sure our guidance isn't in conflict but I'd give you the opportunity to weigh in. Cheers microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish•growths)} 16:42, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@MicrobiologyMarcus Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Your advice to them was very nicely principled. I want to reiterate the fact that they still need to wait for the split proposal to close, if there is consensus for the split to happen, then they can go ahead without being reverted, doing the split now might cause unnecessary problems. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:05, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Very good advice. Thanks @Vanderwaalforces; happy editing @Fitzgunnar! microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish•growths)} 17:09, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

About Draft: Isimi Lagos not yet being notable...

Hey @Vanderwaalforces, thanks for your comment on the article about Draft: Isimi Lagos, about it possibly being too soon. I looked through the page on Notability and the "not yet notable" page too. I also looked at Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions - Wikipedia so I don't say something stupid. I'm relatively new to editing here.

I'm curious to know why exactly you think it's too soon or not yet notable. It meets the notability criteria, and being too soon seems a bit 'arbitrary'.

Thanks again. Seyisage (talk) 10:58, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Myself and another reviewer have discussed this already and I would urge you to please do copyedit on the article for neutrality, take a look at WP:WTW remove sentences that are just there and not passing out any useful information. When you're done, let me know and I will publish it. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:04, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, I'll do that ASAP Seyisage (talk) 12:12, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Vanderwaalforces

I've made the adjustments. Seyisage (talk) 14:45, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Croscill

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Croscill

Greetings, Vanderwaalforces. The company Croscill was established in 1946 and appears in notable sources including 2 other encylopedias with a lot of sources in the books. Some of the sources date back to the Pre-Internet era such as these:

• Adler, Sam, “Croscill Delivers,” HFD, June 27, 1994, p. 28.

• Johnson, Sarah, “New Directions: Croscill’s Rolling Out a Drive on All Fronts,” HFN, April 1, 1996, p. 21.

• Page, Melinda, “For Croscill, Building Brand Awareness Is in the Details,” HFN, May 29, 2000, p. 74S.

• Parker, Madeline, “From Curtains to Croscill,” HFN, June 14, 1999, p. 12.

• Schwartz, Donna Boyle, “Croscill Home Fashions: A Rising Star in Sheets,” HFD, July 18, 1988, p. 1.

• ——, “Croscill Home Fashions Takes Aim with Accessories,” HFD, April 17, 1989, pp. 48–49.

• ——, “Croscill Stays Hot,” HFD, December 25, 1989, p. 30.

Here are in-depth sources as well:

• https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2008/11/17/story10.html
• https://www.fabricsandfurnishings.com/profiles-and-people/Croscill-Mourns-Loss-of-President-David-Kahn-2005-09-30.html
• https://www.encyclopedia.com/books/politics-and-business-magazines/croscill-inc
• https://www.hometextilestoday.com/industry-news/croscill-patriarch-mike-kahn-88/

Actually, I believe that the historical company is very well covered in the industry. Can you explain, why all these sources do not qualify? Did you check the Pre-Internet sources as well during your evaluation? Bormenthalchik82 (talk) 22:12, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Bormenthalchik82 Hello, those sources date back to the Pre-Internet era, are they published sources? No? because they do not appear to be. If there is anything I am evaluating, it has to be text material that is publicly accessible, see WP:PUBLISHED. The other sources does not establish notability of the subject. That doesn't mean the subject is not notable, see WP:PROVEIT. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:21, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying it. I'll postpone this project until there are better sources. Can you detail a bit more while the verifiable sources above do not meet Wikipedia's requirements? What did I miss there?

Regards,

Bormenthalchik82 (talk) 22:47, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Why did you decline the article "Northeastern Global News"

Hi Vanderwaalforces,

You declined publishing the Draft:Northeastern Global News claiming a lack of sources, but provided no explanation. I believe that there are enough sources referenced to qualify for notability. Can you please explain?

On another note, Wikipedia user User:Lopifalko removed what I believe to be an imperative reference to support the claim of a name change. If this reference were readded, would it qualify?

Lastly, The Huntington News, the student run newspaper for Northeastern University has an article despite having fewer references with dead links. The few that are alive lack depth. If The Huntington News qualifies for notability, is it not logical to use The Huntington News as a reference to create the article for the official Northeastern University newspaper Draft:Northeastern Global News? Straight.Up.Sean (talk) 23:05, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@Straight.Up.Sean Hello, good day:). The source that was removed can be added, since the name change is best verified by the subject in absence of a secondary one. Plus, I am currently mobile and will give the draft another close look later. Hope this helps. Regards. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:08, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

References

Black Market Karma page review

Hi Vanderwaalforces, thank you for your feedback. The article has been amended as requested. CyllanWednesday (talk) 07:24, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Pyti not yet notable

Thank you for reviewing the following draft:Pyti. I was just wondering why you declined it. References 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 are WP:RS from WP:A/S list. Let's choose the best WP:THREE and estimate them.

Let's take a look at these three for example:

14 from The Source: 8 paragraphs article, seven of them are in-depth review of a specific composition (Sunswept). Sha be Allah talks about rhythmic structure, using silence as a spesific technique, about weaknesses such as synth choise and melodies. Pretty solid review.

15 from MusicTimes: 9 paragraphs reviewing the composition (Sunswept). Here as well, we can see full detailed review of this track. David Thompson talks about harmonic progression, rhythmic elements, potential areas of improvement such as adding more levels of instrumentation or experimental elements to make it more unique, or about using space and synths between each other, vocals and etc.

12 from AllHipHop: Here we can see not only giving a closer look, but a critical look at another composition (Fortuna). We can see suggestions for improvement such as repetitive bass, layering and etc. We can pay attention to the editorial comments like "the structure of the track does not quite fit the typical radio format, mainly due to its lengthy intro", about layering again and etc.

Also, the subject claims to have "won several international and national competitions", you may take a look and decide if those are notable.

WP:MUSICBIO says, that "Notability is not determined by what the article says, it is determined by how well the article does or does not support the things it says by referencing them to independent verification in reliable sources.". If these three WP:RS convinced you, then this article belongs wikipedia. Roxy177 (talk) 15:51, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@Roxy177 Hi there! Kindly take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pyti. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:54, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

I did. The discussion is mostly about one bad source, and there was a lack of sources (a year and half ago). Consensus was "neither the quality nor the quantity are sufficient". There were just two WP:RS, now it's nine, the article is sourced a lot better, and we have reliable sources to choose from, which I mentioned above. Roxy177 (talk) 16:03, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@Vanderwaalforces, If you would be so kind to take a look at those sources I mentioned, they may convince you. Roxy177 (talk) 16:20, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@Roxy177 While I don't see the subject passing WP:NMUSICIAN, you can resubmit, and another reviewer will give it another eye. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:24, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@Vanderwaalforces Criteria nubmer 1? There are good quality reviews. Can you resubmit it for me, please? Roxy177 (talk) 16:29, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

maybe you can add tags, if allowed, music tags for musicians to speed up the process? Roxy177 (talk) 16:33, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@Roxy177 I am a very serious good faith user, but with the way you want this article about Pyti to be reviewed so quickly, it is only raising concerns of WP:COI and WP:UPE. Please, if any is the case, I will urge you to disclose as it would let us know where we stand. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:35, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

I am not as experienced as you, I'm just learning. I don't know how to add tags and help specific reviewers find the article. And no, no one paid me, and I do not represent anyone’s interests. Roxy177 (talk) 16:41, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@Roxy177 It's great to know that, I will have your word. I will show you how you can, you see that big AfC banner at the top of the draft, find "Improving your odds of a speedy review" and click show, then click on "Add tags to your draft". From there you will be taken to a page where you can add tags, add tags relating to the draft and save. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:46, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@Roxy177 if you resubmit, I will accept it. There are several in-depth reviews of his work by WP:RS (AllHipHop, The Source and Music Times) which meets WP:NMUSIC #1 as you said.

Vanderwaalforces, a tip for reviewing drafts that were previously AfD deleted is to take a look at the dates of the sources. If they are after the AfD, then it should be reconsidered. Note, generally the only option to overcome an AfD is to submit a draft through AfC so declining only on the basis of a previous AfD is unfair (unless there is some other reason like general disruption or something like that). S0091 (talk) 17:06, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@S0091 That makes a lot of sense now. Thank you! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:24, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Edo literature

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dancing Thank you for look through today, let's see how it goes. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:10, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Edo literature

The article Edo literature you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Edo literature for comments about the article, and Talk:Edo literature/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article has never appeared on the Main Page as a "Did you know" item, and has not appeared within the last year either as "Today's featured article", or as a bold link under "In the news" or in the "On this day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear at DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On this day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Reading Beans -- Reading Beans (talk) 16:22, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

@Reading Beans Omo, you do well. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:24, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft Under Review

Hi Vanderwaalforces, hope you are doing well

I was looking in Category:Pending AfC submissions being reviewed now and saw that you have Draft:Deji Olatunji and Draft:Progressive-iterative approximation marked as under review since the 3rd November. Are you still reviewing these articles or can they be reset back in to the queue? Cheers! - Rich^T|C|E-Mail 11:13, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

@Rich Smith Hi there, thanks for reaching out. I have cleared them now. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:16, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Jimmy Doom

Thank you for looking at the article. I'm struggling to understand the notability standards. This person helped create the punk scene in Detroit and is an actor and published author. He has over 50 acting credits - except I can't use his IMDB and is an ambassador for the arts scene in Detroit. All of the articles in the sources were written about him by reputable regional and national sources. I've removed his writing about others from the sources and other articles that appear behind the paywalls of the Detroit Free Press and Detroit News. I've read the requirements and I'm clearly not understanding. Can you provide additional guidance? Thank you! Sindrella409 (talk) 16:16, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi @Sindrella409 I have not given the draft a thorough review but at a glance, sources are poor (no evidence of editorial oversight, etc.) with some being user-generated content like substack. Others are promo pieces for his book/interviews, based on his comments or what he has written which are not independent so cannot be used to establish notability and some are just brief mentions. For his acting roles, none appear to be significant (starring or major supporting roles) as required by WP:NACTOR. To state "Jimmy Doom helped create the Detroit Punk scene in the 1980s", which is a significant claim, requires significant major reputable sources. That is not to say it's not true but it does not seem sources have written about his influence, at least based on what is provided. With that said, you might try Google Books to see if historians that written about Detroit's punk/music scene have written about him. (Side note: Vanderwaalforces, if me butting in on talk page bothers you, just let me know.) S0091 (talk) 18:47, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

@S0091 I was, as a matter of fact, typing a reply when this came from you and you did a job already, plus, who will be unhappy because someone is doing a good job on their talk page, please, I am happy with your previous replies and even more on this.

You have given the reply, 99 percent of what I was going to say. Thank you so much:) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:57, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't understand how all the free regional Detroit papers don't count as reputable sources, but I also can't use anything behind a paywall (like the Free Press or the Detroit News)? I've been coaching policy debate for 30 years, I know my sources are high quality. How do I solve this problem? Sindrella409 (talk) 22:25, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

@S0091 I have mistakenly accepted the draft, but I have marked it as unreviewed now. Is that fine? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:29, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I think so. I'll keep looking for additional source material. Thank you. Sindrella409 (talk) 23:04, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

@Sindrella409 You can use sources behind a paywall and sources do not need to be online but they do need to be publicly accessible even if it means having to use library archives, etc., (see WP:PUBLISHED). Note, sources serve two purposes, verifiability and notability so Free Press, etc. is fine to use for verifiability but if the coverage within the source isn't independent (such as interviews, promos, etc.) and in-depth, then its not helpful for notability. I will note the first two sources do not support he is "one of the founders of the Detroit punk scene in the mid-1980s." and they are both interviews so not helpful for either verifiability (at least for that statement) or notability. What he says or has written is largely not useful.

Vanderwaalforces, you can move it back to draft, then tag the mainspace redirect with R2 deletion or leave it for another NPP reviewer. I did go ahead and tag it for notability but hopefully Sinderella can find sources. S0091 (talk) 14:05, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

@S0091 Great, I guess we should leave it there until they can find sources. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:17, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Questions about your denial of the "Bryan Corbett" article

Hi Vanderwaalforces,

Thank you for reviewing the Draft:Bryan Corbett article. I'm hoping to glean a little more context around your decision to decline it based on unreliable sources.

I previously made an edit to a different editor who wanted the article to show citations for his educational background – and for those I used the whitehouse.gov archives to support this. I thought these would be reliable sources, but if not, please tell me so I can find better sources to back this claim. To address this claim, I would use an alternative notable organization, Practising Law Institute, (https://www.pli.edu/insecurities/episode-98). Any advice on this would be most helpful.

My other sources in this draft include: Bloomberg News, Politico, The Wall Street Journal, Pensions&Investments (Crain Communications), Financial News, PERE News (https://www.perenews.com/), and Business Insider. If you could please point out how any one of these is unreliable, that would be helpful as I edit for resubmission.

Thank you for your help,

AdPython (talk) 19:24, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

I have access to WSJ and it all it is a quote by Corbett, nothing about him so not useful. S0091 (talk) 22:51, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Vanderwaalforces, after looking at your comments, I think maybe this article will best suite the article's need to have content "about him" – please let me know what you think of this article for an appropriate source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-08/carlyle-partner-tapped-by-hedge-fund-industry-to-run-lobby-group

AdPython (talk) 19:24, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

RE: 3D drug printing

Hi Vanderwaalforces,

Thanks for reviewing the article. In response to your request, I added several more citations. Most of the citations are peer-reviewed articles including review articles that extensively cover the topic. I now re-submitted for your review. Thank you. 22:20, 6 November 2023 (UTC) Fereshteh.Shokri (talk) 22:20, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

@Fereshteh.Shokri Thank you for your contributions. Happy editing. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:52, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Mohammad Ali Zulfikar Zahedi

Dear Sir, I added most authenticate news as a references, could please help me to make it live and advice, what exactly needed to add as there are many source in the search engine for the live person article. Dubaiali (talk) 23:36, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	As an enjoyer of viewing new Good Articles, I appreciate your work on getting Benin Moat and Edo literature to the prestigious status. Definitely interesting topics to read about, and I wanted to show my admiration. Cheers! Johnson524 01:28, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

@Johnson524 It’s great to hear that you enjoyed Nigerian history:) Thank you so much for reading through and happy editing! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:35, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

@Johnson524 Just a random question, lol, While reading the article, did you find at least 2 interesting DYK hook I can nominate? On the Edo literature article? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:38, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

@Vanderwaalforces: Hmm, how would something like Did you Know:

• ...that the translation of the Bible helped standardize the Edo literature written language?
• ...the 'ikpen' and 'ughegbe' are common instruments in Edo literature folk songs?

I'm sure there are better ones than that, but that's what I got at a glance, cheers! Johnson524 20:10, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

@Johnson524 Thank you so much for the suggestions, I actually nominated one already, take a look Template:Did you know nominations/Edo literature Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:30, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Looks great, keep up the good work! Johnson524 13:21, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Johnson524 Thank you! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:22, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Ilyas Vasipov

Hi @Vanderwaalforces.

I'm a bit confused by the stated reason for declining the draft. Usually WP:THREE are enough with SIGCOV. There are at least four:

[1], [2], [3], [4]. Evilfreethinker (talk) 11:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Evilfreethinker, just a sidenote, WPTHREE is not a policy. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 17:22, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. The real policy is one. This is the minimum number of WP:WHYN. Evilfreethinker (talk) 17:42, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Request on 11:32:38, 7 November 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Catherine Lemieux

• Catherine Lemieux (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Patrick Rampelotto (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, My article was rejected claiming it does not refer to reliable sources. I would like to understand why, since I wuote only independent established newspapers. Thanks for the help, Catherine Lemieux

Catherine Lemieux (talk) 11:32, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Catherine Lemieux Hi there. Just to be clear, it was declined and not rejected which have different meanings, the former being giving the draft a chance for improvement and resubmission, and the latter being that the draft cannot be further considered as it is either not notable or contrary to Wikipedia's goal.

Your draft is biography of a living person which must follow the policies listed at WP:BLP. There are several statements in your draft that were not sourced, where did the information come from? You must source alongside any statement made in a WP:BLP, and the sources must be independent of the subject and must cover the subject significantly.

You're now given the opportunity to work on the draft based on this, please do that and try not to resubmit until you are confident that the issues have been addressed. By then, you can now resubmit, and the draft will be reviewed again.

Hope this helps. Regards. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:39, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok thank you. Glad ot know it wasn't rejected, since I really worked hard on the draft after the first review. May I ask which statements are not sourced? I really wanted to play safe and took 90% of the infos out of an independent Der Standard Article, a mainstream media source, covering only the work of Rampelotto, and the rest 10% out of two published reference works (books). It would really help me if you could point out exactly which statement is not clearly or adequatedly sourced. Thanks a lot in advance, Catherine Catherine Lemieux (talk) 11:45, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Catherine Lemieux Rampelotto also reinterpreted the "Knieschwimmer" (1907) Loos had copied from a 1898 design by William Birch. should be followed by a citation that exactly verifies the statement.

In the Industrial design section there is only one citation in its entirety, does that citation verify the claim in the entire section? How so? If yes, then, you should add the citation to every statement.

This should be enough clue of what is being said here. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:50, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes in the industrial Design section it is all from one source, I will make sure that it is clear and reorganize the info. Thanks a lot for your help! 91.141.36.118 (talk) 18:48, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Stepped stone adze

This AfC decline doesn't make any sense. That draft listed six sources and every paragraph had at least one inline citation. Maybe you just missed this the first time, but twice? – Joe (talk) 12:00, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't mean to argue, but did you wait till I declined it the second time before you decide to accept it yourself? Also, to me, I would have decline it for the third time because the sourcing is still poor. Either way, it's good you have moved it out of the queue. Many thanks

PS: You must not reply to this my comment, I just replied to you to acknowledge receipt. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:21, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

I was planning to re-review it when I had the time, you just beat me to it with the second decline. I really don't see what you're talking about with the sourcing and I see you're racking up quite a few similar queries and concerns about AfC reviews on this talk page. Perhaps it would be wise to slow down a bit? – Joe (talk) 14:04, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Joe Roe I totally understand your concern, while reviewing these articles, I am really learning a lot more. But, one thing I don't mind is, if any other reviewer thinks my own decline is supposed to be an accept, then they should simply accept it, (even if they don't let me know, I don't mind), I just feel every reviewer have their own understanding of policies. Maybe I am being too strict with the drafts... welp, I honestly think I should. PS. I also try to improve the ones that I know I can, before accepting them to mainspace. Either way, there's no problem here at all. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:11, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Respectfully, it's not up to you or any other individual reviewer to decide what standard they want to apply. You're supposed to be filtering out articles that wouldn't pass AfD, that's it. Looking through the drafts mentioned on this talk page alone, I see you declining things because some statements are uncited, for unspecified sourcing issues, and for lack of notability even though they cite multiple GNG-passing sources. That is a problem. We don't have the manpower to double-check AfC reviews so nine times out of ten, if you decline a draft that should be accepted, we're going to lose an article and possibly an editor that could otherwise have contributed to the encyclopaedia. – Joe (talk) 14:27, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Joe Roe Hmm, thank you so much for this. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:38, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

I've just spot checked your draftify log and found several similar errors, moving articles as "more sources needed" when they are almost fully cited.[5][6][7] You really need to go back to the NPP/AfC guidelines and recalibrate your expectations. You're currently on an NPP trial and there's no way that I'd renew it based on this. – Joe (talk) 14:40, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

There is absolutely no problems with that at all. It's all for my good after all. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:42, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

But, also, you said "That is a problem". Declining (not rejecting) an AfC submission shouldn't be a problem since it would only give the creator a chance to resubmit it, probably for another reviewer to take a look. I don't know, I don't like keeping things to myself, but, this your message sounds more like "I want you to quit editing Wikipedia right now because you're causing too many problems". If that is the case, then I don't mind dropping right quickly before it becomes an actual problem. Several other reviewers have gone through my logs and commended the fact that I could do reviews but yours on the other doesn't sound like that. Everyone is not the same though, but welp, here we are. As long as a draft can be resubmitted so that it can be reviewed again, then I don't see that as "double-check AfC reviews", that is not in any way double-checking anything, it's the flow.

Don't mind me please, I have just poured out my mind and have nothing else. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:50, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

If I was accepting bad articles to mainspace, then, I would see reasons why that is a problem. Let alone that is not even the case. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:53, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

And, just an addition, I am not the only reviewer who declines submissions based on this rationale. I feel so discouraged. Darn. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:55, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Nobody is forcing you to review other people's drafts or new articles. But it's a position of trust so, if you choose to do so, you must be as accurate as you can. Declining a draft that should not be declined is absolutely a problem and can be just as damaging as accepting a draft that should not be accepted. – Joe (talk) 14:59, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Joe is saying, don't review if you're not sure. For me though, I did think that WP:AFCPURPOSE was to get clean articles into mainspace. We already have tons of garbage in mainspace, I sincerely don't think we need more. So, what I do is to accept articles that are clean, neat and notable and leave the "probably" articles for other reviewers. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 17:29, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

This would be my last comment though, we should at least respect each other, Nobody is forcing you to review other people's drafts or new articles. just sound too aggressive and disrespectful (at least on my own talk page). I am still confident that I am not doing anything seriously wrong that warrants aggression from an admin who [tries] to focus on preserving good content and encouraging new editors... Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:43, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Another option is leave comments requesting additional sources rather than declining to give them time. If course, this is more beneficial when they are newer drafts. Also, sometimes I will do a quick Google/Google Books search especially when sources are in a non-English language and/or not accessible. S0091 (talk) 17:44, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Elaborate on comment

Hello, hope you're doing well. I'm a little confused on the comment you made on my draft "Draft:1,000 Blind People See For The First Time", and I was wondering if you could elaborate a little further.

When you said This article talks more about Jimmy Donaldson than [the] subject., I would just like to know which parts specifically talk more about Donaldson than the video itself. There's a lot of talk about Donaldson in the Reception section, but that stems from the video and was talked about in the references. Thanks. RONIN 12:29, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Fawn Arnold

Hi Vanderwaalforces, thanks for reviewing my article and thereby helping to make it better. I am trying to understand the reason for declinging based on "missing reliable sources". Is it that too many cites do not have sources that are considered reliable? So if I remove those that would work? Or is it that there is not enough reliable sources? Then I would have to find more newspaper articles or fan material that proves she was doing those shows, etc? Thanks! Marc Rawer (talk) 12:50, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Marc Rawer Hi there, the draft is a biography of living person and as such must follow the policies the applies to it at WP:BLP.

Firstly, there are several unsourced statements on the draft, statements like She attended the Wichita Falls High School and graduated in 1989. After studying acting at the Midwestern State University and dancing at the University of North Texas she worked as dancer and dance coach in California. In 1992 she was casted for the Girl Group Gloria and toured through Europe. Gloria was featured for example for DJ Bobo, Captain Hollywood Project, Culture Beat or En-Rage. need citations to reliable sources because it is a BLP, where is the information coming from? There are other statements like that that needs citations.

Secondly, take a look at WP:CITEHOW (WP:CITEWEB) for how to properly cite sources as the current state is WP:BAREURL. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:01, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

On Oliviero Leonardi

Hi Vanderwaalforces, thanks for reviewing my article and thereby helping to make it better. This is an Italian painter that was fairly important back in 1970s and 1980s, however many of the sources are not digitalized. In any case I would appreciate your guidance on how to make the article suitable for Wikiupedia. Best Leonardiestate (talk) 17:56, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Leonardiestate Hi there, the sources, are they not digitised at all? Maybe an archive or something? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:59, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Can I upload archive on Wikipedia? Also sources are in French and Italian for the most part. Leonardiestate (talk) 18:01, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Leonardiestate If the best sources that are reliable are not in English, then it is absolutely not a problem as a translator, or something, can be used.

No, you cannot upload archive on Wikipedia, but you can use web.archive.org, it is very acceptable.

You can read WP:NOENG for confirmation of what I am saying. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks. Will do this. Best. Leonardiestate (talk) 18:09, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

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Draft:Daesaja (Ambassador)

Hi again Vanderwaalforces, it appears in part you declined this draft due to sources not being "accessible". Sources do not need to be online per WP:PUBLISHED nor they do need be easily accessible, meaning if a book supports the content even if one needs to buy it to get access, that still meets published. The same is true for sites that are paywalled so if you are declining articles because you do not have access to the sources that is invalid reason. S0091 (talk) 21:14, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi there, do you have access to the listed sources? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:24, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

No, I do not. In a case like this the choices are to skip because you cannot give an appropriate review, decline due to WP:SIGCOV Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability and ask for sigcov in other sources (like KylieTastic did), do your own research or WP:AGF that the sources are sufficient and accept. But The cited sources are still inaccessible is not a valid reason as long as the source(s) meet WP:PUBLISHED S0091 (talk) 21:56, 7 November 2023 (UTC).

@S0091 Thank you so much. I actually know this, but you know, I have seen a case where the sources are actually not published, and the creator even confirmed that they are not. So, thank you very much! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:04, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Draft:FKP Scorpio

Hi, thanks for reviewing my draft. I respectfully disagree with your decision to reject the draft. First, please understand that it is near-impossible to find in-depth coverage of companies in this industry (Of this list [8] of promoters, only 3 of the top 10 have a Wiki article - Eventim, Live Nation and Kilimanjaro Live, despite all of these 10 companies selling $billions/year to millions of people), and I think the article's sources meets WP:NMUSICOTHER criteria. Additionally, I believe these sources are "significant" under the WP:SIGCOV enough that the article should be accepted:

• [9]
• [10]
• [11]

Bear in mind with SIGCOV that "significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material".

Please let me know what you think. If you disagree with me, I'd like to move this conversation to the help desk, please let me know your thoughts on this if applicable. daylon124 (talk) 01:25, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

@Daylon124 Hi there, since you disagree, please resubmit the draft so that another reviewer will give it a look. Regards. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:14, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft review

Hello. I am contacting you about my draft Draft: Bene Meat Technologies which submission was declined because of articles. Can I ask which sources were not acceptable? I tried to look for as many as I could, they seem to me they are in-depth because they focus on the Bene Meat Technologies. Reliability: they are not in english and not scientific journals but in Czech Republic they are acknowledged as good journals. Secondary: from what I could find they were written by journalist who were not involved before with this company. Strictly independent: there were no implications that journalists or journals were connected with Bene Meat Technologies and they are not only praising company. I am sorry if this seems offensive, it is not supposed to be like that I just could not find what sources did not meet the criteria listed. But if some or all are not good from your point of view, could you implicate which sources I should change? Or if it would be better that these sources were in english? Tomatom123 (talk) 10:00, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft of Bassetlaw Bulldogs Rugby League Football Club

Hi, Thanks very much for taking time to have a look at this submission. I really appreciate this. I wondered if you might be able to help me ensure that the sources I use are deemed sufficiently reliable please? The sources I have used include:

Published regional newspaper articles Published editorial content from a registered, long-standing charity organisation Published news stories from the National Governing Body of an Internationally recognised sport

If sourcing of the results is required, the Rugby Football League Governing Body have an online 'match centre' where scores, fixtures and tables are located. (https://www.rugby-league.com/match-centre) However, the specific results and tables for this club can only be seen by clicking the relevant drop down menus - ie Girls Rugby League, Division U13s East B, Club - Bassetlaw Bulldogs

Would you be kind enough to explain why these are not deemed to be sufficiently reliable please? Your feedback doesn't seem to suggest that there is a problem with notoriety here. Is this the case? I hope so as this club is one that has achieved a number of notable 'firsts' in the sport of Rugby League.

Many thanks indeed. Hovispride (talk) 20:03, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Hovispride Hi there, the section "Facilities" is totally unreferenced, and it is concerning because I wonder where the information is coming from. There's supposed to be sources cited at that section. Statements like Furthermore, the Bulldogs club is the only Nottinghamshire-based team who are affiliated with Super League team Wakefield Trinity, with whom they hold Ambassador Club status. which appears to be significant claim needs a citation too. Also, this The Girls U13s team also became the first ever recipients of the Team of the Year award, made by the Rugby Football League. This particular award was presented by Jodie Cunningham, captain of both the England women's national rugby league team and St Helens RFC Women's Rugby League team..

I don't have problems with the current sources, you just need more to verify claims on the draft. Hope this helps. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:20, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks very much for this. I can provide the following types of citation if they would be acceptable:

1. Link to Wakefield Trinity Ambassador club list (https://wakefieldtrinity.com/ambassador-clubs/)

2. Approved Minutes of the local council meeting in June 2022 showing completion of the building project (https://www.eastmarkham.org.uk/storage/2022-documents/APPROVED-08-06-2022-EMPC-Minutes(18-Jul-22_10-05-50).pdf) On the same website, all minutes of previous meetings refer to costs and works.

3.Having already provided a citation on the RFL website for this story, I can add a YouTube video link of Jodie Cunningham actually presenting the award or link to the same story/video on the club website.

Would these be acceptable? Thank you. Hovispride (talk) 22:49, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Hovispride The club's website cannot/should not be used. The sources should be independent of the subject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:34, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

I have added these to the submission, for your ease of viewing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hovispride (talk • contribs) 23:44, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, OK, thanks for the clarity. Are you happier with the other citations now? Much appreciated. Hovispride (talk) 08:35, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

In the "Facilities" section, citation #4 is to a google search result page which is inappropriate, find a better source. Citation #5 does not verify the claim of the entire statement before it. If you can't find good sources, I will urge you to let the draft go for now and maybe later on there would be good sources to use. If you still think you will find better sources, then after adding them, you can resubmit the draft so that another reviewer will give it another look. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:54, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Amazing, Thanks for your help. I have modified the citations, which should now be acceptable. Are you personally not able to give this another review at this stage? It seems that you have understood the notability of this submission better than others from outside the Rugby League Wiki Project and I am grateful for this. Perhaps now everything has (I hope) been brought up to scratch you are able to do this yourself? Irrespective, thanks very much for your help. Hovispride (talk) 09:41, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Just wondering your thought on above please? Many thanks indeed. Hovispride (talk) 07:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

@Hovispride Hi there, I'd prefer another reviewer to give it a look. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:21, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

About article reads like an advertisement

Thank you for reviewing this page and leaving comments.

I will appreciate it if you could help elaborate a bit regarding which part of this article in question that is not advertising reads like an advertisement? JoyceCJZ (talk) 02:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Read Lee JoyceCJZ (talk) 00:12, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Anu Krishna

Err...several of the sources are about the individual themselves - are not fleeting in appearance. The subject has starred in over 15 widely released films. Could you be more clear on your feedback? Neutral Fan (talk) 12:18, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

@Neutral Fan Anu Krishna made her acting debut as a child actress, notably appearing in Bapu's Mahabhagavatham television series as Krishna, and then in Friends (2001) as the sister of Vijay's character. Anu Krishna made a career breakthrough as an actress with her appearance in AR Murugadoss's Kaththi (2014), where she again portrayed the sister of Vijay's character. where did you get this information from? You should not make claims on a WP:BLP and not cite sources, also, remove the YouTube link you used as it is not a reliable source. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:25, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

These were part of the reasons it was draftified initially. Fix things up before resubmitting for review. Also, see WP:NACTRESS. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:28, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

New Article "Draft" mode; why?

I just submitted a new article, but wanted to omit the "new article" process. Is this under review, or must it be cleared as a new article? Confused. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Raven%27s_Wing 36hourblock (talk) 17:05, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

@36hourblock Yes, it is a draft and needs to be reviewed at AFC, you can do that by placing {{subst:submit}} at the very top of the draft and pressing publish changes. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:06, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

My 'GTA (Guns Trance Action)' movie not being accepted. Please explain what should I do?

I have been trying to get the movie article get published into main wikipedia. I have been doing several edits to fit into the Wikipedia guidelines, but still my article is not being accepted. Please tell me what I should do to get my movie article accepted. Aaditya SYY (talk) 19:07, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Getting a Person Article up for a President of a University

I am curious how this draft I am working on Vanya Quiñones keeps getting knocked down as it is notable in the word of academics to be a university president.Wikipedia:Notability (academics) #6 NQAD (talk) 00:21, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

A couple more points about your AfC contributions

Hi. You recently rejected Garad Yusuf Mohamud after declining it for notability 3 previous times; however, do note that members of Somali state parliaments do pass WP:NPOL. As there is only one uncited bit, I've accepted the draft; WP:NSUBPOL may be a useful resource for you in helping assess NPOL. Additionally, you declined Doerhoefer-Hampton House as being non-notable; however, buildings on the National Register of Historic Places are considered to be always notable (WP:MAPOUTCOMES). I know firsthand that this is all very complicated and oftentimes contradictory, so no worries.

An additional tip, I would recommend to not decline a draft you have already reviewed more than twice; as mentioned above, you declined/rejected Garad Yusuf Mohamud 4 times and have declined Draft:Vanya Quiñones 4 times. There is no rule for or against this, and you certainly can continue if you want, but it is always better to have multiple different reviewers assessing a draft. Thanks, and keep up the good work! Curbon7 (talk) 01:01, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

@Curbon7 Hi there, this is a very straight-to-the-point feedback, and I love it! WP:NSUBPOL is very useful. Thank you for clearing the queue now by publishing them. The main issue with Vanya draft is that it was a copyvio of another webpage which is why it was deleted. Thank you so much and I am happy with this! Regards, Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:26, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Isaac Ababio

Hello, Vanderwaalforces,

You draftified this article, saying it didn't have enough sources even though it has plenty of sources. It was moved back to main space by another administrator. Before moving an article to Draft space, you should probably check out the page history to see who the article creator is. If they have years more experience than you do, creating lots of articles over years of service, then it probaly unwise to draftify articles they are working on.

You have accumulated a lot of edits so far over the past 3 months but you are still a relatively new editor and it is generally best to trust the instincts of our valued content creators. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:43, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Same comment for Abu Juhayfa although this article creator has less experience than the one who created Isaac Ababio. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:45, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

@Liz Thank you for notifying me. I normally check history of pages before taking action though. Maybe I missed this one. Either way, thanks for letting me know. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:30, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Review feedback

Hi Vanderwaalforces,

I made some improvements to the draft Vulnerable world hypothesis. Does this address what you meant by original research ? Otherwise, can you give a few examples of claims that need to be nuanced or better sourced, or specific excerpts of what needs to be improved ? I also gave some additional details about the references used on the draft Talk page.

Thanks. Alenoach (talk) 02:34, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Request on 22:56:14, 7 November 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Boohoolane

• Boohoolane (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Jerry Habibi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Greetings Vanderwaalforces, thank you for the recent notes and review on Jerry Habibi.

I see that the article has been marked as needing more sources. Would you prefer that we remove information so that we can expedite approval? It is imperative that we populate more Middle Eastern / North African / Southwest Asian performer pages with notable credits as it is an under-supported community on Wikipedia (see: status of Iranian sub-communities) and in the Entertainment industry wholly.

We do have some very solid sources from Letterboxd, Hollywood Reporter (Deadline), and more. It is also important to keep in mind that The Persian Version is a struck project - because of this sourcing can be sparce until after the 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike.

Thank you again for your note - please let us know what we can do to ensure the article gets published and we can continue to work on publishing articles on talent from this underrepresented community! :)

Boohoolane (talk) 22:56, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Boohoolane Hi there, hope you are doing well. Because this is a WP:BLP, every statement made on the article must be backed up by a reliable source that verifies exactly that statement. Where did you get Habibi was born in Dallas, Texas. He is a first generation Iranian-American. His father passed away in September 1997. He attended Plano West Senior High School and graduated in 2015. from? Please add reliable sources that backs up every claim made on the draft. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:05, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

This info was obtained from IMDb and TMDb as well as a Campus Circle press release. Are those sufficient sources? If so - we can re submit with them added. Boohoolane (talk) 08:08, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

@Boohoolane IMDb and TMDb are not reliable sources, please see WP:IMDB. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:12, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the insight!

It looks like we need at least 2 additional sources. Do these suffice for now? We will make a note of the article needing more sources throughout 2024.

1. https://www.campuscircle.com/tpv/pressnotes/thepersianversion_presskit.pdf

2. https://culturemixonline.com/review-the-persian-version-starring-layla-mohammadi-niousha-noor-kamand-shafieisabet-bella-warda-chiara-stella-bijan-daneshmand-and-shervin-alenabi/

3. https://www.instagram.com/p/Cl7XpgCp_7V/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link Boohoolane (talk) 15:47, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

@Boohoolane Maybe #1 can be used, but #2 and #3 cannot be used as Instagram is not a reliable source and #2 only mentions Jerry Habibi once which is not WP:SIGCOV. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:51, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Great insight again - you rock! Let’s see if we can find another source. How long does this thread stay active? You are a very amazing editor. Boohoolane (talk) 16:00, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

The thread remains as long as new messages comes under it. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:15, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi - there is a mod basically harassing me and my edits because I am working on making this page (within guidelines) and they removed my contribution to another page that was sourced and would have helped support this one while keeping every other part of my edit.

They then mentioned COI but it has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion here. I have no external relationship or anything with anyone, thing, or individual. As stated in this thread I just want to populate more info about Middle Eastern titles and artists so that the community can be better served and these are the first two I am working on.

Do you know what I should do? You can see the Notice they left on my page too. It makes me feel very targeted. Boohoolane (talk) 15:03, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

@Boohoolane Hi there. When adding information to articles, you are required to add at least a source that verifies what you are adding. I went through you recent contributions and saw that that was not the case. So, there's nothing targeting about what they did, if someone reverts your edit and you think it is not right, open a thread on the talk page of the page you made the edit on and tag/ping the person who reverted you. This way, things can be sorted out easily. See WP:BRD. Hope this helps. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:34, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Ty! Boohoolane (talk) 15:36, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

I actually added the original source citation and everything but they went and randomly removed the one sentence Boohoolane (talk) 15:37, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

@Boohoolane Don't worry, if you don't want to open a thread, just let it go for now. Maybe you're not entirely correct :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:40, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Noted. Ty! :) Boohoolane (talk) 15:41, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Tugg Wilson

Hi, Thank you for reviewing this draft page, commenting that it is presently not adequately supported by reliable sources. I think the main sources quoted are multiple editions of "Navy News". Understandably, this is a publication few would have heard of, or read, beyond those serving in the Royal Navy. However, it has been published monthly since the 1950s, in its early days in printed form but in the new millennium also digitally. Any of the links on the page will reveal the publication to be of very high quality and considerable size. Its readership was in the tens of thousands because copies were passed around between shipmates everywhere. To the wider community - the public in general - this would have very little penetration, of course, but within the Service editions were avidly anticipated, with readership including a great many distinguished individuals who now have their own pages in Wikipedia. The most prominent such person would be King Charles III, who found himself to be a victim of Tugg's humour while serving as the commanding officer of a minesweeper but saw, and understood, the funny side of it, as recounted on Tugg's page. It seems to me that this page for Tugg could, for example, be compared with a page for a distinguished musician, such as a much lauded concert pianist. The author of a page for the pianist might be facing a similar problem to me when looking for adequately supported reliable sources. That person might find little beyond the musical profession and newspaper concert reviews. Likewise, I have been at a loss to find mention of Tugg beyond the Navy save for brief mention of an association with the off-shore oil industry. But both the concert pianist and Tugg would be at the top of the pinnacle within their fields and both deserving of lasting recognition of their achievements. While the Navy News might be only one of a very few sources, I would like to suggest that the sizes of its editions, its uninterrupted monthly publication from the 1950s until Tugg's death in 2006, and beyond, and its virtually total readership throughout the Navy might be regarded as constituting a reliable and sufficient source in the particular circumstances of Tugg Wilson's page. Thank you.Scribes52 (talk) 05:44, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

@Scribes52 Hi there, sources are hard to find, I can testify. But, once you can't find a source to back up a claim, it's advisable to remove the claim entirely. If you do that throughout the article, I am willing to accept it if you resubmit. Regards. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:31, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I will go through the article, examining each claim I have made and do as you recommend. Regards, Scribes52 (talk) 10:48, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I have gone right through the page and I believe that all claims made are now backed up, Please let me know if I have overlooked anything. Regards, Scribes52 (talk) 08:27, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Siege of the Kraków Castle

Hello, can you tell me what the reference is not added to? Why aren't 4 sources enough? Kolya Muratov (talk) 09:00, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

@Kolya Muratov Hi there, the draft is based on a single source. How so? It's seeming more like an essay. There are supposed to be other sources. It's an article about a Siege for that matter, so more citations are definitely needed. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:08, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Ludii

Hi!

This is my first time creating a Wikipedia page, and it's starting to feel a bit frustrating to keep having it rejected without further feedback, despite having worked on the previous points. In particular, I saw that you have just rejected it with the same reasons as the previous two rejections. I have added sources from peer-reviewed journals and news articles, and rephrased part of the page to make it sound less like an advertisement. I have also asked for help here, but no one replied so far.

Could you point out some parts of the page that need to be changed, with some tips on what to focus on?

Thanks a lot for the work you do making Wikipedia the awesome place it is! Fbarbe (talk) 13:50, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	You did an excellent job with the AfC drive, and I'm impressed by how quickly you learned from the few mistakes I noticed on your talk page messages. Keep up the great work! – DreamRimmer (talk) 03:11, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@DreamRimmer Thank you for looking after me right. Even though there were backlashes welp, I’m glad I learned. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 04:13, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Grason_Mikal_Ratowsky

Hi, Thanks for looking at my article, though I'm a bit confused at your edits I need to do. You mentioned the article did not have reliable sources but there are significant publications newspapers, travel magazines, Conde Nast publications, Art Newspaper, etc that covered the Artist. I left out many of the additional references as I thought it would be too much because of the plethora of coverage he's had. Could you provide further feedback or point out some parts of the page that need to be changed, with some tips on what to focus on because I don't understand. Thanks for your help! Should I add more to the biography? Artsjournalism (talk) 12:22, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@Artsjournalism Hi there. Try adding more details about the artist. As it stands, the draft only says Ratowsky is a musical artist and that's all. You might want to summarise other things about them from the sources and add to the article. By then, you can resubmit and a reviewer will give it a review. Happy editing, Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:41, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I'll give it another go. Artsjournalism (talk) 13:02, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Article declined. Reason not clear. Please elaborate. Thank you.

Hello, referencing: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Society_for_the_Protection_of_Underground_Networks&action=history

your comment: Declining submission: nn - Submission is about a topic not yet shown to meet general notability guidelines (be more specific if possible)

Can you please elaborate? The general notability guidelines state: "When evaluating the notability of organizations or products, please consider whether they have had any significant or demonstrable effects on culture, society, entertainment, athletics, economies, history, literature, science, or education. A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is presumed notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject."

Note these criteria above are clearly met.

Can you please explain. When you write "(be more specific if possible)" - can you please explain what this means? Thank you! Science and such (talk) 14:57, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@Science and such Hi there. It appears you have fixed/addressed my concerns already, so I have accepted the draft. Please add categories to it. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:06, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello,

Seen, and appreciated. Thank you for quick response. Science and such (talk) 18:10, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Ngwa people GA review

Hi there. Could you please clarify how you picked up the review for Ngwa people within seven minutes of it being nominated for GA? Many thanks, ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:24, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29 Hi there. I was following that page up because I would love to review it against the good article criteria, since Reading Beans told me she will love to improve it to good article status. So, I was literally waiting for it... Do you actually want to review it? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:05, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for replying, I was just concerned if there was dubious off-wiki coordination going on, as sometimes happens. Good luck with the review! ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29 Oh great, I thought you were interested in it. Thank you for your concern. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:10, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Phung Pham review

Hello Vanderwaalforces, thank you for reviewing my draft about Phung Pham. I have now shorted it to only the part that can I can find reference. Hope it is okay now but if any further changes needed, please let me know. Thank you so much! Dlnguyen64 (talk) 22:57, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:RG Qluck Wise

Hi there @Vanderwaalforces, I just left you a reply you need to check it and I’ll be willing get back your reply too thanks. Gudwise (talk) 00:12, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Martin Prasad Vengadesan

Hello there @Vanderwaalforces, thank you for reviewing my draft. I have just resubmitted it with additional citations to back up the claims in the article on Vengadesan. I hope it's sufficient. Thank you! Lordwhiteheat (talk) 13:40, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Allie Teilz

Hello there @Vanderwaalforces Appreciate all you do for this wonderful community. The text was not copied from everpedia, but everpedia had copied the text from the original Wikipedia article that was live from 2012 until a troll had added false information deleted the page. Please let me know what changes can be made to get this up and running again. Thank you! Lovelyday999 (talk) 09:10, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

@Lovelyday999 I wonder, how did you get the exact copy that was deleted in 2019 that now looks exactly like the Everipedia version if you didn't copy from there?

The sources used on the draft are mostly lacking significant coverage, passing mentions and unreliable. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:26, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

@Vanderwaalforces Thank you for your reply. The original wikipedia page was written by me, here is a link to the photo that was uploaded in 2014 for the article, which predates the everipedia page. If you can see, the source page was copied onto multiple other outlets that seem to duplicate wikipedia articles. Here is the time stamp for original upload of the photo on wikipedia from 2014 that was also copied from the original page. There are many other news articles written for this topic, including features in vogue and other notable sources. Here is a link to her page and the original wiki photo so you can see which came first. What more could be added to get this page reinstated? Thank you https://www.instagram.com/allieteilz/?hl=enhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Allie_Teilz.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lovelyday999 (talk • contribs) 09:41, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: Draft:Grill on Wheels

Hello Vanderwaalforces, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Draft:Grill on Wheels, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: This draft is concise and contains no promotional puffery; the topic is clearly non-notable but I don't think the page qualifies for G11. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Passengerpigeon (talk) 09:59, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft: The American College of Greece

Hello and thank you for your comment on this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:American_College_of_Greece I have referenced a book by Giles Milton on the history of the school. Is this adequate? Marinosk (talk) 14:08, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

@Marinosk There are still just too many citations are the Deree section, citations that are probably pointless. Just reduce the number to about two at most, the best two. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:13, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

I have removed the section with the multiple citations - it was there to support the fact that we are collaborating with a number of foreign institutions. Is it OK now? Marinosk (talk) 15:07, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

@Marinosk You obviously have a conflict of interest with the article. Have you read Wikipedia's guide on that? See WP:COI please. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:11, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I know this. It has been pointed out and I clearly state this in my profile as required. Marinosk (talk) 15:13, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh, great! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:15, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Please resubmit the draft for review. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:16, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Request on 15:21:37, 13 November 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by I99jonma

• I99jonma (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Swedish Double-decker (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Do you have any details on which criteria you don't think is fulfilled? It is not obvious to me. Most of the references are old and there is one newer reference which reflects the more recent developments of the subject. I'm of course willing to improve the article but please give me some more details on what to do.

I99jonma (talk) 15:21, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Article about the Rastrelli Cello Quartet was declined

Hello, after the first time my article was declined, I did some changes, added some references. Please notice, by the way: I think, the video of the Rastrelli Cello Quartet posted at the Strad magazin should be enough to show a notability of the group. At least in the classical world this source (Strad) is a name. I added a link to the record label Solo Musica where the latest CD of the group was recently issued, an two reviews in german and spanish as well. Please let me know if I'm approaching to the goal. Perhaps there will be some other details. I'd appreciate your comments. But I need more specific information about how to show the notability of the topic. Because at the same time there is an article about the group in german - "Rastrelli Cello Quartett" (with two"T's" at the end) and in russian - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastrelli_Cello_Quartet

using even less reliable references as I did. What could be the issue in this english version?

Thank you in advance, CellOKira (talk) 17:33, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

@CellOKira Hi there. Russian Wikipedia is not English Wikipedia. They have different content policies and guidelines. Inclusion is govern by notability guidelines and for your draft I will urge you to take a look at WP:NMUSIC, read through and see if the subject you're writing about passes at least one of the criteria. In my view it does not pass and that is why the draft has been declined by multiple reviewers including myself. Also take your time to familiarise yourself with policies and guidelines of English Wikipedia. See WP:5P, WP:Contributing to Wikipedia, Help:Introduction, WP:SMOS, and WP:FIRSTARTICLE.

Please do not hesitate to reach out if you encounter issues while you familiarise yourself with these policies/guidelines. Happy editing! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:53, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. I took a look there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music)

there is written:

Criteria for musicians and ensembles

…

…

1. 1

Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.

• This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries

There are magazine and news paper articles about the RCQ - please take a look:

http://ticket.heraldtribune.com/2013/11/18/music-review/#

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/reviews-1.752298

Please let me know why this sources should be not reliable?

1. 5

Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable).

Solo Musica and Genuin Records are both well known music labels in Germany. The Rastrelli Cello Quartet has two CD’s issued there:

https://solo-musica.de/en/rastrelli-cello-quartet-rastrelli-effect/

https://www.genuin.de/en/03_k.php?k=530

Thank you! CellOKira (talk) 18:37, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia Page Rejected

Hello, I saw you rejected my page request for Christopher Del Borrello. The rejection states, "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article." However, I am not sure on what I need to do to fix this. If you can provide some help or tips, that would be appreciated! Antny08 (talk) 23:11, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

@Antny08 Hi there. Your draft was not "Rejected", it was only declined because it has issues. Sources such as LinkedIn are not reliable and therefore should not be used to establish notability. See WP:NPOL for the guideline related to the inclusion of politicians on English Wikipedia. The current state of the draft and the current sources cited clearly doesn't establish notability of the subject. Also see WP:ANYBIO and WP:BLP. Hope this helps. Happy editing. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:27, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback! I will make changes to fix this! Antny08 (talk) 23:29, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your reviewal!

Thank you for your review of the Draft I'm working on! I'll take into account the feedback you have provided and incorporate them into the article. Thank you for your time and I hope you live a fulfilling life! Imoutofchoices (talk) 00:44, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick review

Thanks for the speedy review! I'm curious, do you think it's worth trying again with a large pruning to only keep the information that can be verified in secondary sources (besides a few obvious links like the source code and whatnot) or not bother? Pretty much all my edits for the past decade+ have been on existing pages about history and languages so I don't have a feel for what passes the notability bar for new pages on software. Pages on software and companies of similar notability certainly do already exist but that's no gauge of what a page like this that requires non-COI review would need. Mithridates (talk) 13:37, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Request on 06:02:31, 16 November 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Bishweshwar Pal

• Bishweshwar Pal (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Bishweshwar Pal (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I have submitted all the essentials associated to Bishweshweshwar Pal and his works. The characters, links inserted are authentic and beyond any sorts of disputations. But, still the draft submission is declined. 

Bishweshwar Pal (talk) 06:02, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Bishweshwar Pal Firstly, the current state of the draft does not clarify why the subject (you) are notable. You have to read WP:BLP, WP:FIRSTARTICLE, WP: CITINGSOURCES. You also obviously have a conflict of interest on the article, please read our policies regarding that at WP:COI. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:13, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I really don't understand at what point it has made conflict of interest. Mr. Pal is a potter, and he has been working for the development of marginalized communities by engaging them in the pottery work. Would you please check the references that are submitted. 45.248.150.120 (talk) 06:58, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Ester Nurumi Tri Wardoyo

You rejected this draft as information wasn't verified. Can you look at it again, as I have improved it a bit since then. You can also read WP:NBAD. Thanks. zoglophie^•talk• 11:19, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Zoglophie Kindly resubmit. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Non dominated sorting

Hello Vanderwaalforces,

You declined the draft with the rationale that the cited sources are not enough to support the content of the article (WP:OR). But I believe all I wrote there can be found in these sources so I am confused.

Could you help me identify which part is not supported by the sources I cite? Or maybe should I use the sources differently throughout the article?

Thank you for your help — Preceding unsigned comment added by BooBoo314159 (talk • contribs) 06:37, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@BooBoo314159 Hi there, hope you're doing just great. Your draft has so many unsourced statements that's why it was declined. In fact, the "A simple example" is entirely unsourced. I also expect citations in the lead since most of the content in the lead were not discussed again in the article. So, generally, the draft is many unsourced and that is a problem. You have to cite your sources. I mean, where did that information come from? Simply cite the sources and that's it, you're free to resubmit the draft for review. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:31, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Request on 15:00:28, 17 November 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by MintSpiral

• MintSpiral (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Knox Morris (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This was rejected for not meeting notability requirements. However, it meets the following criteria from Wikipedia:Notability (music):

"Has released two or more albums on a major record label"

I believe, in combination with the provided independent sources, this is enough to warrant notability of the musician.

MintSpiral (talk) 15:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@MintSpiral Hi there. The draft contains literally no source that is independent, with significant coverage, of the subject and that is required by WP:GNG (clearly stated here). Even on the SNG you quoted, it is clearly stated there that "notability is not determined by what the article says, it is determined by how well the article does or does not support the things it says by referencing them to independent verification in reliable sources.".

In a nutshell, if you can find sources that are reliable, independent of the subject and covers the subject significantly, then the draft is good to be published when you add them.

On a side note, Facebook, Spotify and Apple Music are utterly unreliable in their use case on the draft.

Hope this helps. Regards, Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:12, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@Vanderwaalforces Have a pleasant day, sir. Would you like to review my Drafts again and make it eligible for main space? If i made a mistake, you can correct it by eliminating any problematic sources that meet the requirements for being eligible for main space.? Please look over my drafts Draft:Dedha. as well as Draft: Bhati (clan) I would be delighted if you could check my drafts ahead of time. As you have extensive knowledge in this field, I would be delighted if you could assist me as they are my first drafts or articles. May God bless you and your family. 103.191.123.237 (talk) 23:07, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@Vanderwaalforces And I have made some required improvements to the Drafts. 103.191.123.237 (talk) 00:14, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

If you have made improvements, please resubmit the draft and a review will get to it. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:29, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:The Monument to the Victims of the Holocaust (Cupcini)

Hello. Could you indicate what is wrong with my article and how I can improve it? IliaSPX31 (talk) 17:15, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@Vanderwaalforces My drafts have been declined more than three times; the first time was declined by you, and the last time was also declined by you. Maybe it's the policy to decline more and more draft articles and make it a tough job to encourage new users who are less familiar with Wikipedia policies. Well, you can reply, What is the problem, and there is not any chance to see drafts as live? Or should I ask for a speedy deletion? If I am not done, then after 6 months, they will be deleted. Please reply if there is any serious problem with the cited sources or if there is no chance to see these draft articles in the main space. Basically I am just asking for solution if possible 103.172.167.116 (talk) 16:04, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi there, sorry for the late reply. The topic/subject of your draft is interesting but for an article to be published to mainspace, it must pass notability which is the bedrock of inclusion on Wikipedia. These can be established by how well other unconnected parties have covered the subject. These unconnected parties are called sources and these sources, just as indicated by the word "unconnected", needs to be independent of the subject of your article. This means that the subject of your article must not have control over the source of information. The article must also rely on information from reliable secondary sources. These sources must also cover the subject significantly, that is, in a way that the discussion from the source is entirely or largely about the subject of the article.

Now, back to your draft, you see all the qualities I mentioned above, it fails literally all of them because a draft that is entirely unsourced is considered an original research (even if it isn't). Where did the information on the draft come from? All you need to do is cite the sources you got the information from, and the sources will be evaluated based on reliability, it is also cool if you know how to evaluate sources too.

Please take your time and go through all the wikilinks I made above for clearer understanding, also, take a look at this article: Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe and see how it was written, you should get a clue of what is being said.

I decided to take time to reply to you and not refer you to bunch of links. Understanding the process of Wikipedia is very simple, all you need to do it just read relevant policies and guidelines and you'll see yourself writing great articles.

I hope this reply really helps and happy editing. Regards, Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:15, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for this amazing answer, I'll try to do my best IliaSPX31 (talk) 17:25, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Intentional ping @IliaSPX31. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

My Draft Got declined by You

Hello Vanderwaalforces, I hope all is well. I'm curious about the reasons behind the rejection of my draft. I've included proper sources, citations, and ensured significant coverage. Could you please identify the specific issues and suggest how I can address them? BlackgoldEditor (talk) 07:21, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

@BlackgoldEditor Hi there, all is well with me and I hope it's same with you too. Generally, for a draft to be published to mainspace, the subject needs to appear in multiple secondary reliable sources that cover the subject significantly. This is not the case for the draft you submitted. Also, please take a read at WP:NFILM. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:29, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Could you please provide guidance on how to proceed with this? Additionally, I believe the citations I used have multiple appearances and are highly reliable. If I've made any mistakes, kindly assist me in resolving them. Thanks a lot BlackgoldEditor (talk) 13:53, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Declined drafts

Hello Vanderwaal, I hope this message finds you well. The draft I made on film Draft:Songs for a Passerby got declined by you, whereas it won a major award at the 80th Venice International Film Festival in 2023. Thus it is not 'about a musician or musical work not yet shown to meet notability guidelines', as you described in your comment. The film is notable since the following guideline of notability applies: 'The film has received a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking.' Are you willing to reconsider? Or what improvements still need to be made in order for the submission to be accepted, in your opinion? Kind regards, Vdm.17 (talk) 21:03, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

@Vdm.17 Hi there, thank you for the additions you made to the draft. I have now published it. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:56, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Hey there, you're welcome! I am happy to hear it helped the article to meet the requirements. Thank you for publishing! Vdm.17 (talk) 00:21, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Uju Kennedy-Ohanenye for deletion

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Draft:Lanka Bandaranayake

Hello. You have a new message at Jeraxmoira's talk page. Message added 06:41, 19 November 2023 (UTC).

Draft:Dawid Jung

Hello! Following your suggestion, I have supplemented the biography with reliable sources – scientific publications discussing the work of Dawid Jung or his publishing and artistic activities. I hope it's satisfactory now. Best regards. MateoZim (talk) 10:10, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Dwarfism Awareness Day

Hello @Vanderwaalforces,

I have supplemented the Dwarfism Awareness Day draft page with official sources from Disability:IN and, LPA the UN. I'm not sure what more sources I can provide. Could you please let me know how to get this approved so that dwarfism receives the same acknowledgement on wikipedia as other healthcare awareness observances --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Observances

Thank you - Xavier020 (talk) 11:21, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	You've only been here for 3 or so months, but you've beat me in terms of edit count and number of articles created (especially kudos for working on African subjects that are often poorly covered on Wikipedia due to systemic bias). Also, I appreciate your work on reducing that NPP/AfC backlog as well. :) #prodraxis connect 04:40, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@Prodraxis Thank you so much for this barnstar. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:02, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Saxental Castle

Dear Vanderwaalforces,

I have added now added more references for all details in the article. There should be no unreferenced claims any more. Please accept the article. In case you require trtanslations of texts into English or further documents please let me know.

Regards,

beamtothefuture Beamtothefuture (talk) 10:33, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Request on 10:51:33, 20 November 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Solzbie

• Solzbie (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Balaam Barugahara (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Solzbie (talk) 10:51, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Gelendzhik Museum

Hi Vanderwaalforces,

My article Draft:Gelendzhik Museum has been declined by you for lacking published sources. I have edited them and added several more independent sources as you've requested but it still wasn't pulished. I would like to know what further improvements I need to make in order for the article to be accepted. BulbazaurREX (talk) 11:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@BulbazaurREX Hi there. I see that you are drafting an article about Gelendzhik Museum of History... and as such, because of the WP:SECONDARY and WP:INDEPENDENT policies, you cannot use sources that are close to the subject, that is, you cannot use the museum's website, or any source that the museum has control over, as a source since they are considered primary sources. Please take your time to read relevant policies as it would be beneficial to you. The draft will keep being declined and eventually rejected if you continue to resubmit without addressing the concerns raised. Hope this helps. Regards, Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft: NO CIGAR

Hi Vanderwaalforces,

My article has been declined based on sources, I think? I Also, read your comment that mentioned I may require a hat note on another page. Instead could you change my article name to "No Cigar (Band)"?

Thanks for your help and time.

Cheers, Tim

Buzzymusic (talk) 13:46, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@Buzzymusic Hi there. Your draft contains citations to sources that are not considered reliable. For example, Deezer is not considered reliable, and it is used throughout the draft. Also, most of the sources, if not all, are primary sources, that is, sources that the subject is connected to in one way or the other, either connected to or have control over. Please read WP:SECONDARY, WP:INDEPENDENT, WP:SIGCOV, WP:RS, and also WP:NBAND. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft Rampelotto

Hi, can I please know why Rampelotto's notability has not been recognized by

1. two major independent media sources only about him and his work (der Standard and ORF)
2. An article only about Rampelotto in a book by major publisher Thams and Hudson referencing 60 "iconic chaire of the 20th and 21st century" clearly showing that "The person has made a widely recognized historical record in a specifice field."
3. Rampelotto is notable according to the wikipedia "notability" criterias because b. he was part of a major exhibition (had a solo show at the MAK and was part of the major yealry exhibition of 2022 of this same institution) c. won critical attention (won a design price last year) d. his work is part of the permanent collection of important institutions (at least ten of them are referenced in the MAK collection online https://sammlung.mak.at/en/collection_online?&q=rampelotto
4. The link to the solo show of Rampelotto and the link to the permanent collection of the MAK are quoted as reliable sources on the wikipedia page of the Museum of Applied Arts of Vienna. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museum_of_Applied_Arts,_Vienna
5. I am really puzzled as to why these references where not accepted by the first reviwer of my draft.

Please let me know how I can fix this issue. I have been really investing time on this page.

Catherine Lemieux (talk) 14:24, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Lol

I actually chuckled when I saw that. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9 Lol right :--), it was actually interesting but just no source. Hehe Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:30, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Robin Kester

Hi there! I noticed you declined my page about Robin Kester, because of bad references. Could you please explain why these sources (such as newspapers) are not valid? They are not just passing mentions, and are independent of the subject. As there is a Dutch page of this artist, who is active internationally, I think an English version is legitimate. 213.34.114.52 (talk) 21:27, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Your AFC behavior

Hello, Vanderwaalforces,

I don't understand what you are doing. I look at the page history and log of an article like Black Lotus (Magic: The Gathering card). What is going on here? And here? Are you merging pages or something? Why are you moving pages to your own User space? It makes the page history and logs for these articles very confusing for other editors to make sense of. Do not move main space pages to your User space and then tag them for U1 deletion as if you wrote that page. It's misleading and deceptive. I don't know why you are moving drafts or main space pages to your User space but please do not create any detours with articles you are accepting. Just move them directly from Draft space to main space.

If there is a main space redirect that needs to be deleted, then tag that page for speedy deletion but stop with this creative way of approving new articles that is not used by other AFC reviewers. We rely on page histories and logs to reflect the history of the page and right now, they don't. Just stop this now or we'll have to go to WP:ANI. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:56, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

@User:Liz Please also check my drafts, including Draft:Dedha. and Draft:Bhati (clan). I don't know why this reviewer is not letting others review my drafts and continues to decline my drafts without clear explanation or the right suggestions about improvements. His behavior is quite ignorant. I don't know why he is not trying to help, and he doesn't even reply. I have posted comments on his talk page more than three times for suggestions. After all, I want to delete all these two drafts because I didn't find any exact explanation of what I should do to make my draft illegible for main space articles by improving. 103.172.167.116 (talk) 04:41, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

@Liz Hi there. Please, my intentions were not to be deceptive in any way at all. I didn't mean to be misleading, I bet you. I move pages in such ways to my userspace to clear the AfC backlog and also nothing else. You have also not told me this before, this is the first time, and you're already threatening to go to admin noticeboard. This is something you could nicely tell me without aggression since I am relatively new to the system. I have no connection or business with the pages and see no reason why I should be deceptive. I just am not aware that such things are considered deceptive.

I have always said that I am subject to you, especially because I am new, please do not send me messages that make me feel like I am being threatened because it is not encouraging at all. After all my work at AfC, all I can get is a message on my talk page, warning me sternly as if I committed a crime or something.

Please try to treat new people well, understanding Wikipedia is very easy and very hard too. You don't expect me to know that moving pages like that is deceptive, do you? If you had told me before, I'm sure I would have stopped since because I learn quickly.

This doesn't make me feel right at all. Either ways, I am not going to move pages like that again. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:37, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

I am also wondering, I don't know if you have something against me, because you have never been nice to me. I know not everyone can be nice, but everyone can or should be polite in their dealings, everyone ought to be civil in everything they do on this encyclopedia. Have you not seen how I have been treating other new users that have come to my talk page to request help, even though I am new, I still take my time to tell them the little things I know.

If this aggression continues, it will really tell on my contributions because I am already traumatised, emotionally downcast and unhappy, and I think it is too early. An admin is not supposed to be bringing this vibe to a user. There ought to be civility. The Wikipedia code of conduct says that you owe me respect and that everyone should always treat each other with consideration and respect. You have always come to my talk page to drop messages aggressively and I am saying that I am not comfortable with it. I am not arguing that the moves I made were right or wrong, I am arguing that whenever you come to drop me a message, please be civil and respect the fact that I am a human being just like you. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:01, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Vanderwaalforces, it sounds like you were maybe trying to do a WP:ROUNDROBIN to overcome a redirect in order to accept? I am not a page mover but there should not be anything leftover that needs to be deleted. If you try it again, I suggest maybe reaching out to an experienced page mover to help make sure you are doing it correctly. The other option is to request the redirect be deleted. See the last note at WP:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing instructions under Step 4: Accepting a submission. That is method I use because I am not page mover. When I need to do that, I mark the draft under review then add a comment that I waiting for a redirect to be deleted. I have one right now, Draft:Public image of Javier Milei. Also, no need to rush through things, backlog drive or not.

Not sure if Liz will follow this conversation and she does not pay attention to pings (nor is she required to) so pinging her is useless but just in case she does, my experience thus far with Vanderwaalforces is they do take on board feedback. S0091 (talk) 18:57, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Vanderwaalforces, don't get discouraged. You're making a postive difference here. Especially on little-loved Nigerian and other African articles! ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:40, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

thanks for the feedback on the ironpdf page

I appreciate the direction. I am going to wait for feedback before i create more pages on other topics (other areas of interest are psychology and politics) 180.183.225.203 (talk) 09:10, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Memento Exclusives

Hi there, could you please help me understand which of my sources are not reliable? Would F1 articles and UFC articles not count? Are they too close to the company to be deemed reliable? We've had plenty of press coverage over the years so I have linked a lot of them - but are they not valid either? Thank you Z4r4$m1th123 (talk) 11:57, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

My submitted draft may eligible for Approve

Hello Dear Wikipedian, Draft:Kavya Kishor is a notable literary magazine published from Bangladesh. It may eligible to approved. So, I am requesting again to approve this magazine because it's References and everything is proved that, I think. Mohammad Husen (talk) 15:34, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

@Mohammad Husen Hi there. I agree that Kavya Kishor is probably notable. But the sources you used currently do not establish its notability. You have to use information from sources that are secondary, reliable, independent of Kavya Kishor (unconnected to Kavya Kishor) and covers Kavya Kishor significantly in a way that the source is discussing Kavya Kishor either entirely or largely. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:07, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

I am added many sources from Bangladeshi well known and reliable portal. Daily Jalalabad is one of the best in-depth, reliable, secondary and independent sources including Alokito Sokal (A national newspaper of Bangladesh). So, I think this all References also proved that, the notability of this topic. Mohammad Husen (talk) 01:55, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Patrick Rampelotto

Hi, you reviewed my draft again and I would like to have a comment or a hint to try again to satisfy your criteria. It is really difficult to understand why my sources are not reliable or how many sources are enough. I have a PH.D. and I am used to work with clear, transparent sources reliability. Here I feel left in the dark. 1. Why is this article, a review dealing only with Rampelotto's exhibition by a famous austrian independant newspaper not a source? https://www.derstandard.at/story/1577837146431/adventures-in-foam-hummerchips-mit-aphrodite 2. why is the ORF article (state radio and media of Austria) dealing only with Rampelotto's work not a source? 3. Why is the reference book, with a four page article only about Rampelotto, this book being written by a Professor and explaining the specifics of "60 iconic chairs" of the two last centuries, by Thames and Hudson, not a source? 4. The link to the permanent collection of the MAK https://sammlung.mak.at/sammlung_online?&q=rampelotto was not accepted as a source by my first reviewer. But it does figures on the wikipedia page of "Museum of Applied Arts Vienna" that also displays the exhibition of Rampelotto. Would you consider this a source? 5. I found a monograph. Would quoting from this book be considered a sufficient source? https://www.amazon.de/Patrick-Rampelotto-BRUTIFUL-Rauminhalt-Bichler/dp/3851193601 (of course i will quote the book and not the amazon link)

Thank you for your help. Catherine Lemieux (talk) 15:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi @Catherine Lemieux you have responded to another editor on the draft's talk page so please keep the discussion there and do not post queries in multiple places. That editor will take a look at your response and sources. S0091 (talk) 17:33, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I posted this message two hours ago, before the other editor responded. I'll keep the conversation there, of course. Catherine Lemieux (talk) 17:36, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

@Catherine Lemieux keep in mind we are all volunteers so responses may not be swift and there is no deadline here so it could be hours or days. S0091 (talk) 18:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. Thanks for your work Catherine Lemieux (talk) 18:16, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Second Chui Volost

Hello @Vanderwaalforces Why are the sources in the article not suitable? The article refers to Radlov, Bunge, Boronin, Lipovtsev. 178.204.250.28 (talk) 20:14, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft: CLEF Coalition

Hi @Vanderwaalforcescould you please provide more detail on why my article was rejected almost instantly when I submitted it for review? It is impartial and has plenty of sources. Does an organisation need to have been around a certain amount of time to garner enough online significance to then be allowed to appear on Wikipedia? I would appreciate more detailed reasons for its rejection. Many thanks! Schwedinnen (talk) 15:06, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:2023–24 Ligue Inter-Régions

Hi, my draft has now been rejected two times, I understood the first time I need more sources (I only had 2). But I feel like I have added enough sources for such a topic, as I'd argue that these types of articles are quite unique due to the nature of them. I have seen multiple leagues added with zero or very minimal sourcing, expecially when the algerian league system is quite poorly done and never updated. However upon your rejected I would like to ask what could I do better? is there a specific type of source i haven't added? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:2023%E2%80%9324_Ligue_Inter-R%C3%A9gions

I would appreciate any help,

Many thanks :) OGL259 (talk) 21:14, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Maha Prasad Adhikari

Hello @Vanderwaalforces.

I appreciate your review and also want to express my gratitude to all previous reviewers. I've made an effort to integrate your suggestions, including incorporating widely circulated online portals and adding links relevant to Nepal (acknowledging their potentially limited global impact). To ensure the article meets Wikipedia's standards, could you please provide specific details on lines, content, and citations that may currently violate these standards? Your guidance will be invaluable as I continue to refine the article. Puspa1234 (talk) 01:04, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

A Report

Good day, I noticed a recent sock/vandalism edits. This individual created an account User:Johnekk and came to my talk page to request his article to be created and he went ahead to vandalize the article Johnel and it was reverted. The person went ahead to copy the article and pasted it to Kourage Beatz NSI (producer) and edited it to his own favor and it was deleted following the block of his account. After several days, he went ahead to create another account User:Tocteck and did the same thing. Due to this, an editor recently removed some content on the article Johnel, quoting that it was not founded on [12] which is not a reliable source. Please see through this case. My regards. Adambenji (talk) 08:10, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

@Adambenji I have been noticing these edits and especially the Johnekk and Tocteck accounts, but I haven't had time to really look into it. I will try to give it an in-depth look say later.

Pinging @Reading Beans: so that she can look too. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:26, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Adambenji may I suggest a report at WP:SPI. It is heavily backlogged at the moment, but SPI folk will handle exceptional matters where editors under suspicion appear to be running rampant with some urgency. If not running rampant the report will be handled in due course. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:57, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Timtrent can probably take it from here. If they return, the best is to file a report for sockpuppetry investigation and then request for CheckUser. Reading Beans (talk) 01:24, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Vico, and Vicoletto, of the Zuroli

Dearest administrator, I'm sorry that my draft in progress was not accepted by Wikipedia's parameters, evidently I have to do much more in the article, citing the appropriate sources, some ''archival sources'', as you can see, I have them too cited, they are verified sources, I will do my best in the next few days to improve it. I will also ask the group you linked to me, to get more support from them, thanks. GiovAngri (talk) 15:11, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

@GiovAngri Hi there. I am not an administrator, I am just a new page reviewer, please know their difference. The subject of your draft is indeed intriguing. However, for an article to be moved to the mainspace, it needs to meet the notability criteria, which forms the foundation of inclusion on Wikipedia. Notability can be demonstrated by significant coverage from unaffiliated entities. These entities are referred to as sources, and they should be independent of the subject of your article. This implies that the subject of your article should not have any control over the information source. The article should also be based on information from reliable secondary sources. These sources should cover the subject substantially, meaning that the discussion in the source is primarily or entirely about the subject of the article.

Hope this helps, Kind regards and happy editing. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:11, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft declined, but has reliable sources

Hello, you have just declined my draft to update an already existing wiki page. The existing wiki page has only 1 source, which is a book about the same company. I have a new updated text from a new version of that same book, it will be out at the start of next year, so i have not directly cited it but some of the sources that are used for the book. There are plenty of sources, all of them reliable, how come it is rejected for lack of sources? It has more than the old one.

This is the old one Iver C. Weilbach & Co. and this is my draft with an updated history section Draft:Iver C. Weilbach and Company Lund95 (talk) 07:49, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@Lund95 Hi there. To be clear, you said there's a new edition of the book, and that is it is yet to be published?

Also, since there's already a page on mainspace that talks about that same company, please incorporate the changes into that one on mainspace. Either way, the current state of both your draft and the one on mainspace is bad and poorly sourced. So, please work on it and make sure you used published sources and not sources that are yet to be published, as you said. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:21, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the revised history text is a very condensed version of the new book and the book is finished, but will first be for the public at the start of next year. It will be free.

I will make the changes at the main page instead.

The sources used to write the book are published and reliable, so i have used the same ones on the wiki text. There are 8 sources i have referenced, how are they not approved? Have i referenced them wrong? Lund95 (talk) 08:51, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@Vanderwaalforces or should i wait until the book is published and just cite that instead? Lund95 (talk) 12:54, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Evgenii Przhevalsky

Hi! You declined my draft 2 times and after some changes another editor did the same. Last editor doesn't want to answer to me, so I kindly ask you to help me with improvement of my draft. What should I change in it? Thank you in advance! Timsenin (talk) 12:08, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@Timsenin Hi there. I am glad you came here; I actually like the way the draft is written but that fact that it's not properly sourced, is a problem.

Let's see how you can work on it, and I will likely publish it. The biography section (which is the only section currently) is lacking citation and serious claims were made. Every statement (sentence) made on the draft should be backed up with citations to sources that are independent of the subject (Przhevalsky in this case), and that cover the subject significantly. Information from the draft should mainly come from reliable secondary sources. These citations should also verify the claims made on the draft.

For example, after making a statement like He was born on January 12, 1879 in the town of Pereiaslav, Poltava Governorate., there should be a citation at the end of this claim/statement to a source that is reliable and that can be used to verify the claim.

After this one After graduating from Nizhyn classical gymnasium in 1898, he entered the natural department of the Faculty of Physics and Mathematics at Moscow University., there should also be a citation to a source that is reliable and verifies that claim. This should happen throughout the article.

Hope this helps. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:30, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, you've been really helpful! I'll do my best) Timsenin (talk) 12:36, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Dan Banik review

I feel you may have misread the copyvios report. Technical items, such as the names of papers, are excepted. While your alternative reason may be valid (I have not checked) the CV and the RevDel seem to me to be an easy mistake to make.

Great lists of papers, etc, will often be pruned after acceptance, though it is quite reasonable to ask the article creator to select the very best examples. Later, Wikidata, and {{Authority control}}, will handle indexing lists of works.

Might I suggest that you revisit this draft with fresh eyes? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:03, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@Timtrent Oh, I actually once saw a review that the publications section also triggered copyvio and the submitter was asked to trim it and just provide link to it. Thanks for the information. I've reverted my review now and will allow other eyes to look. Many thanks. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:35, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

no-one could ask more of you. Thank you. I didn't want to do a draconian reversion. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 14:03, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

I took the liberty of accepting it. in my view passes WP:NPROF. All else can be handled by the community. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 14:17, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@Timtrent Nice nice nice! It actually passes NPROF for sure. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:33, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

I think you just managed to conceal that from yourself. It happens. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:42, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@Timtrent I actually know that it passes NPROF but I was just concerned about the copyvio and some issues with the sources. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:13, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

The article of Privé WM

Hello. You have declined my article of the Privé WM. The company I introduced for has certain scale of production and my main purpose of writing this is just for introducing our company instead of doing advertisement. Can you give me some hints of modifying the wordings so the introduction would be approved ? Jacky Prive (talk) 14:56, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

That would be found in the deletion notice I left. (sigh) -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:36, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft declined, but has reliable secondary sources

Thank you @Vanderwaalforces for your review. Please I want to clarify that the draft you has declined has reliable secondary sources from many Egyptian newspapers. The primary sources are links to subject's own creative work such as poems and books. Should I remove all of them? Kindly advise. Lloydminster (talk) 08:55, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Request on 21:31:55, 25 November 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Didgeridoo2022

• Didgeridoo2022 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Ozjasz Wasser (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Draft:Ozjasz Wasser Please reconsider your decision regarding Draft:Ozjasz Wasser. One of the consequences of World War 2 was the destruction of documentation relating to Polish culture prior to the War. My interest is to attempt to record some of the Polish people who has so much potential that was never realised due to being killed during the War. I believe it is up to us not to forget that these peoples' lives were taken from them before they were able to show their true worth in improving mankind. Wasser played a very important role in Jewish life in Lviv from early 1900s until his death in 1941. This fact is mentioned multiple times by the sources provided. These secondary sources meet the Wikipedia source requirements. They are all published, reliable and independent of the subject. The Balaban book on the Tempel Synagogue contains the most extensive references to Wasser. This includes his biographic information and the tribute to him by the Chief Rabbi of the Synagogue. Below I offer a rough English translation of an excerpt from the main reference - The Encyclopedia of the Jewish Diaspora Polish Series (Lwow). It is a well-regarded and invaluable source that documents Jewish life in Lwow that was obliterated by the Holocaust. Wasser is mentioned multiple times in the series and it is clear he was one of the leaders of the Jewish community in Lwow from the early 1900s until his death in 1941. Here is a translation of part of Chapter 19, Page 247: "For twenty years Dr. Wasser held the difficult and responsible office of chairman of the Temple Management Board, devoting much work and time, money and abilities to this institution and trying to maintain it at the appropriate level. No wonder, then, that his colleagues in the Management Board, and especially those who had been following the pace of his work for years, decided to celebrate the anniversary in a solemn way, perhaps in part to reward the president for his efforts and diligence. At the meeting of the Board on May 12, 1934, in the absence of the president, Eng. Rauch-Berger to the fact that on December 8, 1933, 20 years had passed since Dr. Wasser was first elected president of the Executive Board. The Board unanimously resolved to celebrate this occasion on the second day of Shavuot during the morning service, and it was decided to read the prescribed passages from the Torah donated by Dr. Wasser, and to ask one of the rabbis to give an appropriate speech. It was also decided to make a photo album of the Temple and its officers and hand them over to the jubilarian during the ceremony." The Lviv Interactive Center of Urban History is playing a critical role in resurrecting the Jewish culture and life prior to the Holocaust in modern day Lviv. The Center has done extensive research and the fact that they have chosen to reference Ozjasz Wasser in the roles he played at the Tempel synagogue and as a well-known lawyer, is evidence that Wasser was an important person in the Lviv Jewish community. One of the consequences of the Holocaust, in addition to the tragic loss of life, was the total erasure of the Jewish people and community from cities like Lviv. This makes it extremely challenging when it comes to finding sources for documenting the lives of those who perished. Thank you for your attention. Didgeridoo2022 (talk) 21:31, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Didgeridoo2022 (talk) 21:31, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

AFC reviews

Hello, Vanderwaalforces,

I was following up on a new editor's draft and noticed that you are archiving questions about your draft reviews before you've taken the time to respond to draft submitter's questions. For new editors, you are their primary contact for Wikipedia, where they go to with their questions about how they can improve their work.

If you don't have the time to respond to questions about your draft reviews, then, please slow down and do fewer draft reviews. Archiving legitimate questions about your reviews is basically telling them to go away. I realize that it takes more time to respond to editor questions than it took to review the drafts but it's part of the responsibility of an AFC reviewer. Put yourself in their shoes, they worked on a draft that they expected to be accepted and now they want to know what to do to get it approved. If this too time-consuming, then there are plenty of other editing tasks you could take on that don't require this level of accessibility and interactivity. Please consider if reviewing drafts and talking with new editors is really how you want to spend your time doing on the project. If not, there are PLENTY of other activities you could take on.

Thanks and I hope you are having a relaxing weekend. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:07, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks! I just extended my talk page archive period to 7 days. Just an FYI, I don't find it time-consuming to reply to anyone. I decided not to reply to some of them because they have either been replied to elsewhere or are obviously not here for the good of the encyclopedia. I also hope I can contribute to the "PLENTY" other aspects of Wikipedia.

Thank you because I had a very relaxing weekend, and I hope you did too. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 20:44, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Diclined Draft:Khayalethu Anthony

Good morning Vanderwaalforces. Thank you for reviewing the above draft. I'd like to enquire about the irrelevant sources you've found on the topic and how may I work on improving it. The subject's external sources are TVSA, DStv and IMDB. His most sources are in the United Kindom and South Africa such as News 24,wikisouthafrica.co.za, and his appearance on Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom is prominent. Please help me on ways to improve it. TshepoR (talk) 06:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@TshepoR Hi there. I appreciate your interest in improving the draft. I have some advice for you on how to do that. One of the main issues with the draft is the lack of citations to reliable sources. For example, in the first paragraph of the "Personal life" section, you only have one citation, which is after the subject’s name. However, this citation is invalid, as it refers to a source that does not exist in the draft (that is why it shows an error in red). Therefore, it is as if there is no citation at all in that paragraph.

In the second paragraph of the "Personal life" section, you have two citations after the first sentence, but none for the rest of the paragraph.

The second paragraph of the "Career" section has no citations at all.

In general, you should provide at least one (or at most, two) citation for each claim you make in the draft. For example, after the sentence His dedication led him to further his education at the New Africa Theatre Academy, where he delved into the study of acting and performance., you should add a citation to a reliable source that supports that statement.

Similarly, after the sentence During his time there, he notably portrayed the character of John Proctor in a production of The Crucible., you should also include a citation to a source that verifies that fact.

Also, this Notably, his talents extended to scriptwriting, earning him a nomination for Best Script Writer at the Baxter Theatre's 2012 Zabalaza Theatre Festival. and this Following this, in 2012, he ventured into television with his debut role as a security guard in an episode of SABC 1's romantic comedy-drama series, Forced Love..

There are many other statements that need citations in the draft.

Please note that these citations should be from sources that are reliable and independent of the subject. They should also be secondary sources and cover the subject significantly or to a reasonable extent.

If you can do all these (adding citations, etc.), then please ping me, and I will review the draft.

I hope this helps, happy editing. Regards, Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Environmental issues in Myanmar

Dear Vanderwaalforces, Hello, I was going to accepted Draft:Environmental issues in Myanmar but I saw Environmental issues in Myanmar is already created by other user in past and they currently redirect to Myanmar , so, can you tell me, what should I do now? Thnx :)~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 09:38, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Aviram7 Greetings! Simply do a G6 for Environmental issues in Myanmar, when an admin deletes it, you can now accept the draft. Meanwhile, since you have reviewed the draft and thinks it makes sense, you can mark the draft as under review. Hope this helps. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:41, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Dear Vanderwaalforces, Thanks for replying me. Thnx :) ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 09:46, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Anytime ;--) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:59, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Aviram7 I saw that you've marked the redirect manually. Did you know Twinkle can help you do this efficiently? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:02, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Dear Vanderwaalforces, Yep! I'm aware about that but I feel confortable sometimes to manually tagging for deletion without using of twinkle.Thnx :)~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 10:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Hehe, nice! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Dear Vanderwaalforces, Can Afc reviewers have right to accepted her past decline submission? Thnx ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 11:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Aviram7 I understand your question. You want to know if you can accept a draft that you previously declined. The answer is yes, but it depends on the situation. If the creator of the draft has made some improvements and the draft now meets the requirements, then you can accept it. However, if the draft is still the same as before, you have two options. You can either decline it again or leave it in the queue for another reviewer to check. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Hmmm...I recently declined Draft:Philip Ikeazor for WP:COPYVIO but now copyvio content removed from this submission and creator of this submission have submit for re-review, and I already tagged this submission as Marked as under review . Thnx :) ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 11:32, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Aviram7 Yeah, I see, and it appears that Jimfbleak has helped remove the copyvio. Now you can go ahead and review the draft against any other requirement. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Can you help about that, I think this person is notable because he is a depty governer of central bank of nigeria, I search about this person on google, He received more WP:SIGCOV. Thnx :)~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 11:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Aviram7 You can simply click on the accept button. I also think the subject received SIGCOV. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:32, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Dear Vanderwaalforces, I accepted this submission, thanks for your opinion. Thnx :) ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 13:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Anytime. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:50, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Declined Draft. Sidd Ahmed

Hello. Our draft was declined due to its references not showing significant coverage of the subject. If you could explain what type of references you are looking for or give clarification in to why the current ones are not acceptable. Thank you. SpearsMax (talk) 21:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@SpearsMax Hi there. What do you mean "Our draft" though? Is this a coordinated effort to write an article for Sidd Ahmed? And it appears that you have a conflict of interest which you need to declare.

Either way, the sources cited in the draft are either primary sources, connected to the subject or are sources that do not satisfy WP:SIGCOV. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:36, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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Cigéo

Thanks for your help with all those fixes. I'm sure they would have taken me ages even if I'd known what needing doing. AlmostReadytoFly (talk) 09:29, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@AlmostReadytoFly No problems. I was wondering why the article was pending review for years, so I just worked it out. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:02, 28 November 2023 (UTC)