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IAC logo

I've no idea who instigated the deletion but thanks for this. I've always had doubts about that logo but there was a lot of edit warring over it before my time, as there was also about a myriad of supposedly official websites. - Sitush (talk) 11:44, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

[1] 186.91.186.250 (talk) 15:38, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• Hi Sitush. It was deleted from Commons by Philippe (WMF) per a DMCA takedown notice. I've let Philippe know that there's still a duplicate file on English Wikipedia at File:India Against Corruption.png. I see it's the logo for the organization that now claims (with no proof apart from their own assertions) to be the "real" IAC—not the IAC which is the subject of the article. As you can see from the above, the blocked editors are still evading their block. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:53, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• It was the clash of claimed organisations that took me to the article in the first place, and they were even clashing on who owned what website and what logo as I mentioned above. The block evader(s) will still be at it in a year's time, and they'll still not have got anywhere unless they can prove notability for their NGO, in which case we would have India Against Corruption (NGO) and India Against Corruption (popular movement), or something like that. I'm sorry that you have been dragged into this: I've got a very thick skin but that doesn't mean everyone else has. - 15:58, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• Don't worry, Sitush, I have no intention of getting involved in that nightmare suite of articles. I was only at the IAC one to deal with the copyright problem (or rather non-problem). I must say, the last sock was something else. Claiming to be an "intellectual property agent" yet had zero clue about copyright. They still don't as you can see from their comments on Philippe's page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:17, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• Really? I can't see anything on Philippe's en-WP or meta talk pages. But they were obviously not particularly au fait at the time; indeed, way less au fait even than me. - Sitush (talk) 17:18, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• Sitush, the comment was on Philippe's Commons talk page here. I'm sure you'll recognize the signatory. See also the original DMCA notice here I find the assertions in the DMCA notice extremely dubious, but we're much better off without that image anyway. If you need a new image for the IAC article you could use this genuine free image File:IAC-pune-protesters3.jpg from April 2011. The banner in the crowd shows the logo flanked by large portraits of Anna Hazare and Ravi Shankar. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:37, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• Wow, just wow. I thought that person was supposed to be German but the DMCA is obviously Indian English. I'm not fussed about logos or even images generally. Most of them seem superfluous to me, although File:Sikh pilgrim at the Golden Temple (Harmandir Sahib) in Amritsar, India.jpg is one of my favourite photos of all time, so I'm not a complete philistine. If someone else wants to add an alternate logo there then they can. - Sitush (talk) 17:49, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• Yep. it's blindingly obvious that he's not German. Ditto the hastily assembled website for his alleged company on a domain registered on September 13th by ...er... the convenor of the group claiming to be the IAC who've been socking all over WP. Their lack of clue is astounding. The temple picture is beautiful. You have very good taste, Sitush. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:05, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Forgery of IAC logo

This [2] image on Wikipedia you proffered for Anna Hazare using IAC name contains an obvious forgery of IAC logo. As the copyright clerk please immediately arrange to get this image entirely deleted from Wikipedia. You can look at the order how the red and black "humans" stack up in overlap. Duffycharles (talk) 08:08, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

That image is held on Wikimedia Commons. The English Wikipedia has no jurisdiction there. If you believe the image is a hoax, you will need to raise the matter there. I'd suggest commons:Commons:Village pump. Voceditenore (talk) 08:50, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

IAC

See my ANI report. This self-proclaimed paid editor claims immunity from our policies. Dougweller (talk) 12:50, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Maldoror

Another sockpuppet of Maldoror's popped up on the AfD page. It contained possible personal information, including your name and place of work. I have hidden the edit and sent an email to Oversight to have the edit totally expunged. Bgwhite (talk) 08:00, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Bg. I've emailed oversight as well. Even though none of the "information" about me was correct, he had also mentioned several other BLPs. At least we only have to endure the AfD for another day or so {{{Sigh}}}. The SPI will no doubt lumber on much longer. There's a terrible backlog there. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:11, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

They initially started going after me because I was the one slapping on the AfD tags. So, on the bright side, I don't have to enjoy the fun you have been "enjoying".  :) Bgwhite (talk) 17:45, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

If the moron gives you any trouble, let me know and I'll block them. I have a feeling the idiot won't leave quietly and a block first, ask questions later approach is probably best. Bgwhite (talk) 07:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Bg. I too have a feeling that he won't leave quietly. In my experience at AfD (over 300 now), that level of desperation and vindictiveness is generally a characteristic of someone with a very close personal connection to the subject. It's happened several times before. I don't buy his original claim that he is a paid editor working for the publisher to create "vanity pages" (as he called them). PR people, paid editors, and even hapless company interns never talk like that. They may make a single stab at arguing for a "keep" at an AfD, but if it doesn't work out, they just cut their losses and move on to the next job. After all, time is money. :) Voceditenore (talk) 07:33, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 8

See Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Newsletter/August-September2014. – Voceditenore (talk) 07:36, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Notability

Hello Voce! Hope this finds you well. I've been on a Wikipedia hiatus of late, but have created a few articles on lesser known individuals. Do you reckon Ivo Varbanov, the pianist, is notable? He has scant coverage...although he did receive a few awards in his native Bulgaria. I look forward to your opinions. Regards, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 16:05, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

While you're at it, what do you think of Fiammetta Tarli? FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 01:54, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi FoCuS! I was wondering what happened to you . I think he's notable enough. Have you seen this interview and program on Radio Bulgaria? I've also got access to reviews of three of his London concerts + one recording via HighBeam Research. Let me know if you need them. Personally, I'd not start a separate article on his wife at this point. Voceditenore (talk) 08:53, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Voce! I'd appreaciate those, yes. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:54, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

And any other references, for that matter! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 10:51, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I've started a draft on my sandbox, if you care to give it a glance . FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 11:19, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi FoCuS! I've done a bit of tweaking there and added the refs I mentioned. If you want copies of the full articles, just email me, and I'll send them to you. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 13:45, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you once again! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 16:48, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

'Gossip blogs' edits

Hello, I just noticed your one edit last year to Grashazk's one of many additions of Lebrecht to wikipedia articles, to remove that edit. Just wanted to express my support for your sentiment. Not to put too fine a point on it, Grashazk is an idiot who cites Lebrecht, and only Lebrecht, in his (I assume it's a he) edits on wikipedia, which is not proper practice, but that person is clearly incapable of learning about primary sources. Rant over. Thanks again, DJRafe (talk) 23:41, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi DJRafe. Sometimes rants can good for the soul (although calling other editors "idiots" isn't recommended). I guess you're referring to this? I've also done the same here, here, and here. Someone else beat me to reverting this piece of nonsense. I never noticed that it was always the same editor. If I were a cynic, I'd say that it rather smacks of SEO. But whatever the reason, edits using that blog as the sole reference are always inappropriate. There are still a lot of articles using Lebrecht's blog as a reference. See this list. I'm not sure if they were all placed by the same editor, but they all need review. Lebrecht's "scoops" are often wrong. When they're correct, he simply got them from a newspaper which should be used as the reference instead. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:47, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello back: Thanks for the note several weeks back. I've continued on the seemingly endless road of edits by Grashazk (and a few others) that add only NL as a "source", using your link as a guidepost. Unfortunately, not all of the Grashazk edits that added NL appear in your search term. Whilst life is indeed too short to obsess about this, those edits need strongly to be purged. Grashazk indeed cites only NL when he adds material, and in the one link where he did not use a NL blog post, it was from an article about NL. That tells you all you need to know about that editor. Perhaps the fight is a losing battle, but someone has to fight it. Thanks again, DJRafe (talk) 08:46, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Acknowledgement

Tx for the excellent wording, which I shamelessly copied --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:02, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Re:MacCreator's mis-deeds

Voceditenore, Namaskar; I am to draw your kind attention to my two pending AFC submissions – Draft:Abhutaparikalpa and Draft:Karakamsa which were declined by Param Mudgal on 30th Oct 2014 and which I had resubmitted on 31st Oct.2014. I have just now warned that both these articles already exist, on checkup I found MacCreator has today i.e. on 1st Nov 2014 stolen and copied these materials and then directly created in his own name these pages – Abhutaparikalpa and Karakamsa by over-ruling AFC process and deprived me the rightful credit. He has also informed Param Mudgal about this misdeed of his. I have seen your warning on the talk page of MacCreator which warning has gone unheeded. Kindly do the required needful at the earlist instance. Thanks. Regards. Aditya soni (talk) 11:56, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Aditya soni. I can't really do the needful, as it needs an administrator to delete the articles or do a history merge. That's why I took it to ANI. let's hope it gets straightened out soon. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:11, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

I am here to thank you for saving all the drafts that are pending consideration and had been mis-used by MacCreator.Aditya soni (talk) 02:45, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Aditya soni. I found that mess purely by accident. The administrators did all the work cleaning it up. You've probably seen that the miscreant has now been blocked as a sock. It doesn't surprise me. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 09:16, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

very sorry!

I had figured that out before your post and got an edit conflict. I do think what you said was important and hit the nail on the head. That's why I wanted to include it. But I deeply apologize for misrepresenting your comments and hope you will forgive me. EChastain (talk) 17:51, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

No worries, EChastain. That page is such a morass, it's not surprising misunderstandings like that happen. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:28, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Amleto

Would you mind taking a look at my comments on this article's talk page and add to them as you see it? Thanks in advance and best wishes, Viva-Verdi (talk) 13:31, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

The Sniffer Barnstar archived here. Voceditenore (talk) 07:50, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Sitush. I've just sent you the latest installment of The Hound of the Baskervilles .

Best Voceditenore (talk) 11:17, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

An invitation to join WikiProject Women writers

Hello Voceditenore/Archive 25! We are looking for editors to join WikiProject Women writers, an outreach effort which aims at improving articles about women writers on Wikipedia. We thought you might be interested, and hope that you will join us. Thank you!

--Rosiestep (talk) 16:02, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Talk:India Against Corruption

Thanks for your extremely patient handling of the issue you posted at Talk:India Against Corruption! Johnuniq (talk) 07:55, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Requesting copy of deleted article

Hello, Voceditenore,
I have a favor to ask, and I'm contacting you because you were one of the first kind editors to help me when I started a few months ago. (No good deed goes unpunished, right?) So, would you be willing/able to send me a copy of a deleted article? Here are the particulars:

12:01, 27 July 2014 Randykitty (talk | contribs) deleted page Geist (company) (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)

The article had been approved through the AfC process, and I did some copy-editing after a request had been posted on the Wikiproject Companies request site. I was just surprised to learn it had been speedy deleted, and would like to understand what I missed in terms of tone and promotional content. Thanks for considering this request.
Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 06:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Grand'mere Eugene. I do indeed remember you from Jacob Nist. Thank you for your kind words and I'm glad to see you're still with us! Unfortunately, I can't help with the deleted article as I'm not an administrator and can't see deleted articles. Perhaps contact User:DGG?. He is the administrator who nominated it for speedy deletion. You could also make a request at Wikipedia:REFUND for the article to be emailed to you (if you have email enabled) or userfied (copied to your user space for you to work on). Although it had been approved by AfC, sometimes inappropriate articles do slip through especially during backlog drives there. Another note of caution... it may be waste of your time. If reliable independent published sources (not press releases or pieces based on them) cannot be found which clearly show that the company passes the criteria at WP:ORG, it could well be nominated for deletion on grounds of non-notability. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:58, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Voceditenore. I will contact User:DGG to request a copy. The original editor of the article had asserted the company had won several awards, which I thought were important to the claim of notability, and I left a note for the AfC reviewer, here. But my motive in requesting the article is not necessarily resurrection — I just would like to improve my radar for promotional content and tone because I have elected to work with Wikiproject Companies. As you know, after notability, NPOV is one of the biggest challenges in articles about companies. Thanks again for your help. Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:20, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia! Logical Cowboy (talk) 06:39, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you, Logical Cowboy. Re Robert Lyn Nelson... Alas, although it deeply pained me, I've now opined a weak keep at the AfD. Unfortunately I was away all of August when the creator's name was added to Sockpuppet investigations/Newzealand123. Otherwise, I would have added this evidence. A deafening quacker and clearly a member of the sock farm, but he/she remains unblocked. Probably a throw-away account, though. Anyhow, if the article is kept, I'll keep an eagle eye on it. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:36, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

ROH edits

Hi Voce, re-reading my contribution to the WP+ROH thread, I was (post the event) struck by how much you had avoided naming the involved parties, and how much I had worked in a diametrically-opposed way to link everybody, to draw their attention to the thread. I don't think that professional involvement, per se, is necessarily bad for WP, but only if it's a order of magnitude better than the contributions of Edwardx. Some kind of response seems advisable, but I don't know whether involving Edwardx, or relying on Tim riley/Andrew Grey, or talking to the ROH/ Rob Grieg is the best way forward. Scarabocchio (talk) 16:03, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Scarabocchio. I've commented further at the OP. I think maybe just keep an eye on the situation for now via User:AlexNewArtBot/OperaSearchResult and see if it happens again before raising a brouhaha. One of the reasons I kept it fairly low-key is that I'm about to be away for three weeks and won't be able to follow through with discussions etc. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:47, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for José Carlos Cocarelli

DYK archived here. Voceditenore (talk) 09:10, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I remember with pleasure the treasures you found to tell his story, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:40, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Gerda, you're welcome :). I'm a little disappointed though—the most utterly boring of the 3 suggested hooks was used. But never mind. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:10, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I agree, but try to avoid conflict ;) - In this case, I was was not prepared, woke up to it already on the Main page for the longest of its time. I didn't watch the queue enough or it was inserted last minute. (Just now, two hooks were added to the set to appear next, with a church where I performed, pictured.) Otherwise I don't hesitate to change prep myself, especially if a reviewer's wish was also ignored. Sometimes I address "improvements" ;) - Completely different topic: Ich gehe nicht schnell, I slowly reach the point to join project opera again. What would you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Pauline (chamber opera)

Dear Voce: NOT KNOWING how to leave a message for you in any other way, please forgive this intrusion, and please accept these thanks. MANY thanks. I just read your new essay about our new chamber opera, PAULINE. Just excellent. We appreciate the time and trouble you clearly took. Best,

Charles Barber CITY OPERA VANCOUVER info@cityoperavancouver.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.5.121.207 (talk) 20:04, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

David Ward

Hi,

Would you like to have a crack at expanding David Ward (singer) when you get back from your travels? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:07, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Benjamin Wey

Fyi, I have opened up a sockpuppet case concerning some of the editors who have been active in this article. You may want to look monitor it or add to it, as I am only sporadically onwiki. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lyndasim Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 20:54, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Just saw this, thanks. Deb (talk) 09:39, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Mentioned your name

Hi! I've twice mentioned your name (as Echo should already have told you?) in regard to User: InfoDataMonger: once at WP:CCI, where I've made a request, and once at WP:ANI, where I have requested a block for that user until this is sorted out. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:23, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Justlettersandnumbers. I've now commented in both places. I did get the "Echoes", but was in the middle of writing another article. I must say that the editor's behaviour is very disappointing... Sigh. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:09, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Rita Shane

Hey voceditenore. Hope you are well. Michael Bednarek has been making some odd reversions to this article; including removing a nyt obituary for the subject. Anyway, I have added another supporting ref as well as re-adding the nyt obit for the material in question. I am not on here much any more, so I'd appreciate you keeping an eye on this article and doing as you see fit. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:33, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Barnstar archived here. Voceditenore (talk) 09:46, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

• Hi Yunshui. Thank you so much for your kind words! Don't worry about the "Harold", I've done the same thing many times. Besides, all's well that ends well. I doubt if that article would ever have been improved without the AfD. I'd never heard of him before the AfD, although what I know about economics you could literally fit on the head of pin. I've pretty much finished with the article for now. I fear part of the problem in the past was the "ministrations" of this editor dating back to 2009. He nipped in again last night to mess up the infobox— trying to turn it into a mini-bibliography (as opposed to the massive one he had previously added and which I had drastically pruned). I'm kind of hoping he gets the hint from my edit summaries [3], [4], without me having to ask him to read... er... this. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:11, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

You've done a fantastic job. I've got the article watchlisted now, so if Prof Gintis feels the need to pad out his accomplishments again, I shall have a quiet word. Yunshui ^雲_水 12:32, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I suspect it doesn't have a lot of watchers. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:48, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Seasons greetings

A belated Merry Christmas! --Folantin (talk) 13:38, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year, dear Voce di tenore!

Happy New Year!

Voceditenore,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Ijmusic (talk) 01:39, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year 2015}} to user talk pages.

Thank you for helping us! ij

Hi IJ! My pleasure and a very Happy New Year to you and your students. I think I still have a few students/drafts from the autumn semester that I need to check. I hope to get to those when I get back to London on January 8th. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 06:51, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

A new article

Hello there, Voce! I have a new request for you: Susan Allen, a harpist, associate dean at CalArts. Is she notable in the music scene or just per WP:ACADEMIC? Regards and happy new year! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:41, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi FoCuS! I'm travelling at the moment, but will get to this as soon as I get back on 8 January. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 06:47, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi FoCuS. I'm back! I had a look at the article. I would say that she's much more notable as a musician than as an academic. She has recordings with several notable labels, has premiered works by reasonable notable composers, plus reviews in notable publications. "Associate Dean" is not a very high academic position, especially in such a small institution, and her academic publications are not widely cited. However, I'm sure it will survive fine in article space based on WP:MUSICBIO. One thing I would remove, is the alleged quote from La Nouvelle Republique (which seems to appear as a cherry-picked quote only on her website/official bios), unless you can source it to the original publication with full bibliographic information. I searched the newspaper's site, and all I could find was the concert announcement. It doesn't mean the review doesn't exist, but better not to use it, if the only source is her website. If you want to use quotes about her performances, best to use material from some of the other reviews you've cited, e.g. NY Times. Hope that helps. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:24, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help! Regards, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:21, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Did you have an opportunity to look at the draft? FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 03:23, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 9

[5]

Minor post

New requests for page protection are supposed to be placed at the top, little Tenore. I know, all the noticeboards have their own ideas, right? (I've semi'd the article for two weeks.) Moi, je suis Charlie aussi. Bishonen | talk 10:37, 10 January 2015 (UTC).

Thanks, Bish! It had been at the top, but since yesterday more requests were added and mine kept moving down, lonely and ignored. Sniff . I can't understand what's going on at the article. The latest IP has been changing information which the other IP (in the same range, with equally execrable English) had initially added and which is confirmed on her own website, i.e. IP now claiming she was born in Toronto when she and everyone else say Tehran and that her father was the neurosurgeon Majid Samii when she and everyone else say he was the eye surgeon Hossein Samii (a relative of the former). Good grief! Voceditenore (talk) 10:53, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Samira Samii

This is getting out of hand. ANI or SPI? Vrac (talk) 16:10, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Vrac. Yes, it is. I suggest ANI if it happens again. We'll get a lot quicker action. I'm going to leave a final warning on the miscreant's talk page. Voceditenore (talk) 16:16, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Single purpose account?

See my post here and please offer your opinion if available. Is a rollback admissible in those circumstances? Thanks again, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 23:09, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi FoCuS. I see Bishonen nipped in with some very good advice, just what I would have said. I've also left an explanatory note on the editor's talk page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:49, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Category:San Francisco Opera world premieres

Category:San Francisco Opera world premieres, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Smerus (talk) 15:33, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Gosh! I don't even remember creating it. Anyhow, I've nipped over with my 2¢. Voceditenore (talk) 16:27, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Amleto again.......

I don't know if you've seen the latest comments by Anthony Barese, the conductor of the October 2014 rival by OperaSouthwest? Anyway, after he re-added the third column, I reverted it, and he has responded on Talk:Amleto. I trust that 2015 is going well..... Best, Viva-Verdi (talk) 01:00, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Amleto

The conversation below has been removed from my user page to here, where it belongs. Voceditenore (talk) 08:42, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Hey there : Voceditenore, not sure how this thing works, but you wrote on my (tiny) user page, and I don't know where I'm supposed to respond. It seems like other editors (Viva-Verdi in particular) aren't necessarily in disagreement with the idea that there should be a third column. You seem to be the holdout on that one. I look forward to discussing this with you on the talk page where I have stated my case. - tonybarrese talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonybarrese (talk • contribs) 04:09, 23 January 2015‎

From your arguments and those of Michael B, I'm not in favour of seeing a third column with all those totally unknown names appearing in it. While being an important revival, this opera is no more worthy than most of the other post-1950s bel canto revivals where we'd need to try to create full role tables. Viva-Verdi (talk) 04:24, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Viva-Verdi, I began on the talk page, but it doesn't look like anyone wants to discuss it there. I've made several points specific to the piece as to why it constitutes a "significant revision." I am not opposed to putting them in the article somewhere, but I am unsure how to reference them, as they are the result of studying the autograph manuscript. That is, there are no articles or sites that I can even reference. I agree that there is no need to list every single person involved in the premiere, but the "unknown names" of a theoretical third column are no more unknown in the history of opera than most of the cast from the premiere and the 1871 la Scala production. Before I go any further though, maybe we should just take this over to the talk page and not muddy up Voceditenore's page (sorry voceditenore!) - tonybarrese — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonybarrese (talk • contribs) 04:53, 23 January 2015‎

Tony, I wrote on your talk page, not your user page. Comments from other editors never go on an editor's user page. And yes, this conversation rightly belongs at the article talk page. Incidentally you cannot assume that no one is interested in discussing the issue there because you didn't get an instant reply. This is an international project, with editors in very different time-zones. One of the editors there is in Australia, and I'm in the UK

Bpandey

Thanks, but you missed the timestamp, didn't you? And the month, lol? It's a little uphill, all of it… I can see myself indeffing per WP:CIR pretty soon, rather than invoking the discretionary sanctions that have so much administrative overhead. Who said Wikipedia is not a bureacracy? The discretionary sanctions admin instructions are the last stage of the civil service of the tower of Babel just before God overturned the tower with a great wind.[6] Bishonen | talk 18:44, 19 February 2015 (UTC).

Yeah, I know, Bish. I just kept that weird date and time he used and added the user name instead of using {{unsigned}}. I wonder if he pasted in that sig instead of using ~~~~? Happens a lot with the CIR/IDHT brigade. That's how I caught this unrelated but deeply annoying sock farm. Anyhow, your reply to him was a model of patience. Brava! Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:41, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

wikilove and such

There's been an ongoing discussion in February of the WMF gendergap mailing list about the "thanked" function. Someone did an analysis and found the most thanked people recently were those deemed not supportive of the GGTF in the arbcom. Various members of the list vowed to increase their use of "thank". EChastain (talk) 04:30, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Not quite. Unless I missed something, they were talking about using the "thank" function more often for quite valid reasons—long before one poster chimed in with that predictably preposterous "analysis". From looking at both the "most frequent thankers" and "most frequently thanked" lists, I also would judge that the person was referring to the former not the latter. Voceditenore (talk) 08:14, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

hi Voceditenore thanks for replying to my query about Borita Casas on WikiProject Women writers so promptly, and also fixing the refs:)

Coolabahapple (talk) 14:24, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

You're very welcome, Coolabahapple . Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:32, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Presentation proposal for Wikimania 2015

How to pick up more women...

Hello to the members of WikiProject Women writers! Victuallers and I have developed a proposal for a talk to be presented at Wikimania 2015. It's titled, How to pick up more women -- as in more women editors and more women's biographies. The proposal review process has begun and there's no guarantee that this proposal will be accepted. That's where you come in. Please review our proposal and give us feedback. Ultimately, we hope you add your name to the signup at the bottom of the proposal which signifies you're interested in the talk (it does not signify you'll be attending the event). Thank you! Rosiestep (talk) 21:58, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Corrado Miraglia

Hello! Your submission of Corrado Miraglia at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 20:04, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Darren Jeffery

If this is worth referencing and fixing, could you either do it or tell me? DGG ( talk ) 03:43, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi DGG. He's probably notable enough, albeit still with a second-tier career. I've started cleaning up (truncating considerably) and referencing it. I'll move it myself when it's done. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:01, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

thanks. I think it is always a good aide to consult someone with a feel for the subject & enough background to know what is likely to be important, as I consult you, before doing extensive work on something like this. DGG ( talk ) 08:46, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Copyright Issues

PLEASE HELP ME RESOLVE COPYRIGHT ISSUES!!!

I hereby affirm that I, StudioM NYC, am the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of minakoyoshino.com. I agree to publish the above-mentioned content under the free license: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts). I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws. I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites. I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by me. I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project. Minako Yoshino Content Creator and Copyright Owner of StudioM NYC and of minakoyoshino.com content. Wednesday, March 18, 2015

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24.168.72.32 (talk) 00:56, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

• I assume this message is from the article's creator editing while logged out. On the off-chance, I've posted some advice for you at User talk:Milkyway2012#Minako Yoshino - help with copyright issues. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:00, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Rhyme Skool with Katrina Kaif for deletion

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rhyme Skool with Katrina Kaif

Commented there. Still sitting on the fence with this one. Voceditenore (talk) 17:10, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Opera/Opus

It is a bit of a joke sometimes that greases the wheels and sometimes doesn't.

Technically, "Opera" is plural and "Opus" is singular, first conjucation latin, one opus, two opera. People tend to do hypercorrection and I don't mean on WP but they (I don't mean you) always to want to put an amicus plumbum where they need an "amicus plumber" belongs, the love for the plumber. (Shit, now someone will make a porn film with that title won't they!)

The job of RfD, and its only job, is to help people where they want to go. I don't know Latin very well, but I know that technically opera is plural and opus is singular. That is not going to change the world. Si Trew (talk) 11:40, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

• Actually that would be a love of lead, as if there is any lead in our plumbing these days. Perhaps the ladies behind the washing machines are safe then. Si Trew (talk) 11:42, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
• Oh, thanks for bunging in at RfD. It is no more scary than anywhere else but it is a bit of a Gentleman's club only in the sense that very few people actually come and join and do that kind of WP:WIKIGNOMING. I for one appreciate it. You'll find it quiet on weekends and before about 13.00 before Americans wake up. So I tend to look after it during their night, then they bung in on their time zones. I am pretty much done now, time for them to take over. Si Trew (talk) 11:47, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I get you now, Si. The reason I didn't get your joke is that "opera" in the English sense comes directly from the Italian singular noun "opera", not the Latin word "opus" (although obviously the Italian one is derived from the Latin one). The plural of "opera" in Italian is "opere", e.g. "Wagner riteneva solo le seguenti dieci opere meritorie di essere rappresentate a Bayreuth. Anyhow, I do occasionally contribute to discussions at RfD and CfD when they're on topic areas that I edit it in. I've never found them to be a gentleman's club. But who knows? Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:04, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, wasn't it Ambrose Bierce who defined Lawyer as "A liar with a roving commission"? I tend to be more that way, that I know a bit of everything about nothing, and I think that my skills there are best used at RfD. (I am neither a liar nor a lawyer.)

I do occasionally make articles (I think I made Quirine Lemoine a while back for example) and am happy to gnome, but a chacun sa gout.

Thanks for making Wikipedia better, I hope that is what we come here for. My jokes often backfire, if you said to someone's face with a smile, they would instantly realise you were taking the piss out of yourself, but it doesn't really work well written. How jokewriters manage to do it, I dunno. The jokes are not pointless, as Clive James said, they are there to illustrate a point. But often that is missed, unfortunately. I don't mean by you or anyone in particular, but people just think you are being a comic turn and not trying to say something intelligently but lightly. We haven't light humour for example, another that came up recently at RfD. Si Trew (talk) 16:11, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

I have to confess that since I never thought of opera as a Latin word, I would still have missed your joke and would probably been even more puzzled by an accompanying smile. Just goes to show... Voceditenore (talk) 16:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Boy, that hurt

Your comment. Ottawahitech (talk) 21:08, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Voceditenore (talk) 08:55, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Karuna Nadee deletion is very unfair Decision

Musiclanka

Last month Dan arndt deleted Rawan Nada Article of mine ,he mentioned that it has no recognition and importance,then i gave many web links about it,and he mentioned it all about Dinesh Subasinghe and his album Karuna Nadee, now i will present this link about its record,it was the most sold instrumental album in sri lanka,sri lanka is a country with a small population 20 miliion,so it wont be like a Hollywood production,i try my best to bring out the data of local artists to the world,valuable things are happening here,so why cant wikipedia support us to bring our data to the world,we have a historical heritage for 2500 years and still some important art work are happening,event after 30- years war

• http://www.sundaytimes.lk/150308/magazine/dinesh-records-highest-sale-for-an-instrumental-139029.html
• http://www.sundaytimes.lk/150308/magazine/tv-times/

• Rawan nada has been deleted ,but it was the first ever music album by the historical instrument known as Ravanahatha

Dan arndt saying it dosen't have any recognition or importance

• Karuna Nadee is an album after decades based on an Oratorio.its very rare to find Album based an oratorio.

please do some fair response for my articles Rawan nada and Karuna Nadee. Regards Musiclanka

Links and references for Rawan Nada

Links and references for rawan nada These are links and references,also i have provided online links still doing purchasing and making easier for listeners.also local news papers search - Rawan nada. Rawana nada, Ravan nada. ravana nada. රාවණ නාද Articles http://archives.dailynews.lk/2009/04/01/fea21.asp Ravan nada goes big time Data can be found about the 'rawan nada Album http://www.sundaytimes.lk/090524/Magazine/sundaytimesmagazine_00.html In search of Ravana in Sri Lanka Sata can be found in the 11 th paragraph regarding on the album http://www.snipview.com/q/Rawan_Nada http://www.sundayobserver.lk/2009/04/19/rev03.asp Reviving the tunes of the past data can be found in 4th paragraph http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2428806912/nm5653084 imdb http://archives.dailynews.lk/2012/12/19/fea21.asp Data can be found under the topic of musical stint http://www.sundaytimes.lk/080504/Mirror/mr6010.html data can be found in the 4 th paragraph Rawana nada online links for listning and purchasing http://www.amazon.fr/Rawan-Nada-Dinesh-Subasinghe/dp/B00IA7RL16 https://itunes.apple.com/lk/album/rawan-nada/id815187773 http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=9253972 http://www.mixrad.io/in/en/products/Dinesh-Subasinghe/Rawan-Nada/65396201 www.rhapsody.com/artist/dinesh-subasinghe/album/rawan-nada http://www.sasrutha.com/article/1990346/%E0%B6%BB%E0%B7%8F%E0%B7%80%E0%B6%AB-%E0%B6%B1%E0%B7%8F%E0%B6%AF-%E0%B7%83%E0%B6%B8%E0%B6%9C-%E0%B6%BB%E0%B7%84%E0%B7%96%E0%B6%B8%E0%B7%8F%E0%B6%B1%E0%B7%8A-%E0%B7%83%E0%B7%9C%E0%B6%BA%E0%B7%8F-%E0%B6%BA%E0%B6%B1-%E0%B6%85%E0%B6%B4%E0%B7%9A-%E0%B6%AD%E0%B6%BB%E0%B7%94%E0%B6%AB%E0%B6%BA%E0%B7%8F/ http://aswanna.blogspot.com/2012/04/blog-post_19.html http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/sri-lankan-revives-ravanas-musical-instrument_10018913.html

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Musiclanka (talk • contribs) 05:51, 9 March 2015 (UTC)‎

• Hello Musiclanka. I have reformatted your comment to take up less room on my talk page and because it is a copy of what you wrote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karuna Nadee. Your article Rawan Nada was not deleted. It was redirected to the article on its composer Dinesh Subasinghe per the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rawan Nada. That discussion is closed. I have made a comment on the deletion discussion for Karuna Nadee, arguing that at this time it should also be redirected and why. None of the information in the articles about these two recordings is lost. It is all present in Subasinghe's article. Thus, people searching for information on either Rawan Nada or Karuna Nadee will still find it via the redirects. If you are a speaker of Sinhala, you might want to consider writing articles on Subasinghe and his recordings for the Sinhalese Wikipedia. You'll find it here. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 08:59, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the response Musiclanka

but i have a valuable reference about Rawan nada..it s the highest sold instrumental album in sri lanka.(16000 copies),this refference contain many important details about the album and its instrument. thanx Dan

http://www.sundaytimes.lk/150308/magazine/dinesh-records-highest-sale-for-an-instrumental-139029.html.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Musiclanka (talk • contribs) 10:16, 9 March 2015‎

Musiclanka, please do not keep starting new sections for each comment. Keep the conversation in one place under this current section. And please learn how to sign your posts correctly. You have been editing Wikipedia for almost three years and are still not signing your posts properly. Please read WP:SIGN which explains how to do this and why it is important. As for the article, that appears to be very obviously based on a press release by Dinesh Subasinghe or his publicist. There is no independent corroboration for that figure or it being a "record number", and it's probably not a coincidence that this article about a six-year old recording appeared shortly after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rawan Nada closed as "redirect". I still don't think it is enough for a stand-alone article at this time. Instead, you could use the reference in Dinesh Subasinghe#Ravanahatha. Voceditenore (talk) 11:04, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Motezuma etc.

Thank you for putting it back for me, - is time ripe now for something like this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:23, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Gerda. I assume you're saying: Would it be time to add {{Infobox opera}} to Motezuma? Yes, I think that would be a good idea. I'll see if I can get to it in the next couple of days. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 21:58, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Note to self: The "Thank you" above refers to this. Voceditenore (talk) 21:58, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Added now, Gerda, but I had to do quite a lot of work on the article first. It was badly written, poorly referenced, and loaded with personal commentary. Yuck! Then it took me a while to find a good image for the box. I finally had to upload one myself. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:18, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I watched the process with pleasure, especially the addition of the spectacular image! After recovering from all that work, remember there was also his Orlando furioso, where an impossible box was added 17 March 2013? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:38, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Violins

Hello again, Voce! How are you? Just wondering if you've ever heard of Benning Violins? They are a 4-generation old luthier business (starting with Paul Toenniges) with some coverage (e.g. this and this); what do you think? I have so little time these days...the most interesting things usually are the ones which require the most research, don't you agree? Cheers, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:59, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi FoCuS. Sorry for the tardy reply. I think there probably is enough for an article, but you'll need more than just local Los Angeles articles. There seems to be a fair amount in various journals [7], but alas they are all in snippet view only. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:02, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for that, Voce! What about its founder, Paul Toenniges? I have this. Could you help me with refs? FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 11:25, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Interesting, but I would not know where to look for more. They get played. Ask Tim riley? Or better an American? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

I can't find any mention in any British reference works or newspaper archives. I think Gerda is probably right that your best course would be to ask an informed American editor in the musical field. Tim riley talk 12:52, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

• @Tim riley and Gerda Arendt: Thanks. Could you point me in the right direction? I'm not knowledgeable on active american music editors. Regards, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 00:49, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Try project classical music? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:22, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

• Here is an article from Jewish Business News, an international news service. Not sure whether this source is a news source or a blog, but try here as well. I think you have enough for an article.4meter4 (talk) 02:42, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
• Cheers for that! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 12:12, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi FoCuS. Here I am, tardy again, but thank goodness for my helpful talk page visitors. There are some further articles at Highbeam to which I have a subscription. They're all from the LA Daily News: "STRING BINDS GENERATIONS OF VIOLIN MAKERS" {2003), "Los Angeles Family Celebrates 50 Years of Violin Making" (2002). Email me if you need copies. You might want to consider covering the founder in Benning Violins and then creating a redirect from Paul Toenniges for now. The Jewish Business News one above is clearly marked as press release—OK for basic facts, but doesn't count towards notability establishment. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:03, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Voce, as always. I'll email you about those. As for Paul, I'm gathering several refs, so we'll see about that when we get there, yes? Regards, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:43, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

• First draft here. What do you reckon? FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 22:14, 22 March 2015 (UTC)