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September 21

article title

Hi I created an article 2 months ago and noticed that I need to change the spelling of the title of my article, please advise how to do. Thanks Sherif —Preceding unsigned comment added by Selsisi (talk • contribs) 00:40, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

You need to move the article to its new title. Unfortunately, you must be autoconfirmed in order to move an article; 4 days (which you have) and 10 edits (which you don't). The easiest thing to do (and I know it seems a silly hoop to jump thru) is edit WP:SANDBOX 8 times, and you'll suddenly discover a move tab at the top of the page. You might have to log out and log in again once you make the 8 edits, I don't know for sure. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:12, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

HTTP 500 error

Hi. In the past few minutes, when I try to edit the reference desk, I get an HTTP 500 error. This applies to editing sections, and when I try to refresh a section, but the whole page shows up fine. What's going on? Thanks. ~AH1^(TCU) 01:11, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

The whole WP site acted weird for me (in a completely different way) a few minutes ago. I suspect it's due to plaque in the series of tubes, or nobody fed the server hamsters (that's a red link?!), or because it's Tuesday UTC, or some other very complicated technical reason like that. WP (and the ref desk too) seem fine to me now. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

LOL. I had problems too. The main symptoms were blank pages. I thought of tagging all of Wikipedia for blanking pages, but I couldn't find a way to do that, probably because of the those same starving hamsters.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:25, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Turns out it was just another cat in the server, again. Herostratus (talk) 05:31, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

How to change lower case letter to upper case letter in a title?

I just created an article, but for some reason the surname starts with a lower case letter. How do I chance that to an upper case letter? I've read something about "moving" articles to change titles, but I can't find a move button. Besides, all I really want to do is change a lower case letter to an upper case letter.--James W. Turner (talk) 02:17, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

In order to change a title is has to be moved along with its page history to the new title. I have just done so for you since you cannot yet do so yourself since you are not yet autoconfirmed and will not be until 00:55, September 25, 2010.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:21, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by James W. Turner (talk • contribs) 02:23, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome James. However, I subsequently had to delete the article as a copyright violation. I have left a message about this at your talk page.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:39, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm trying to do the same thing to an article I posted, but I'm not sure if I'm autoconfirmed. Can someone please help me? - GiovanniPaush

Could someone please clean up 2 articles on I've started

Two articles I've started

Hi, could someone please clean up and fix 2 articles I've started: 1. A lGBT centre in Vancouver Canada http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qmunity. 2. A autistic group in Gibsons Canada. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturally_Autistic Thanks Neptunekh2 (talk) 04:51, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I personally think your first priority should be establishing notability for these two things. You should have a look at WP:CORP which details the notability requirements for organizations. Dismas|^(talk) 05:04, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Neptunekh2, thank you for contributing these articles. We appreciate all contributions, and hope your association with us is a happy one with many future contributions. However, as Dismas points out, we do have certain notability requirements. Basically, you want to find newspaper articles, magazine articles, that sort of thing, about the entities in question. If you can find these and need help with formatting or whatnot, feel free to message me if you like. If it is found that these entities are not notable enough to have articles, this in now way deprecates your contribution. I myself had many contributions deleted when I was first starting out here. Best of luck in your Wikicareer, Herostratus (talk) 05:27, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Errors

Please correct mistakes on omnivore page:

Although there are cases of herbivores eating meat matter, as well as examples of carnivores eating plants —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.187.149.149 (talk) 06:12, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion regarding Omnivore. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 11:44, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Please do not delete 'Urutur catholics'

Hi,

I am writing an article on how Roman catholicism started in a remote village called Urutur in kadapa diocese of A.P, India. I am in the process of getting more details and updating this. Request you not to delete this page as there may be less references now. Hope you understand my concern. This page will be usefull for many people in knowing the roots and tradition of this village.

Thanks Vijay —Preceding unsigned comment added by C9VReddy (talk • contribs) 08:43, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

• At the moment, no one has nominated Urutur catholics for deletion. However, the problem is that there are no reliable sources for the information on the page. The 'Catholic Info' page linked in the References section does not mention Urutur. The second reference is to a Wikipedia article - but Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference (although pages can be linked to, where appropriate) - however the page linked to also does not mention Urutur. Likewise, the final reference makes no mention of Urutur. I have removed these references, as none of them mention Urutur. I have had a look for reliable sources, but I cannot find very little. I did find a minor mention in the Madras Government Press's "Cuddapah" (from 1915), which says Fresh conversions have taken place here and there in the Jammalamadugu taluk, but the greatest number of new converts are found at Urutur, a village in the newly formed taluk of Kamalapuram. In this village through the heroic exertions of the late Monsignor J. Balanadar, himself a native of these parts, a great many families of the Reddi caste have become Christians and have built for themselves a handsome church. - along with several other online copies of this same book. As such, I do not feel that the subject meets the criteria for inclusion (see here), and I am proposing that it be deleted. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 11:57, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Please, no point writing an article on "urutur catholics" without an article on Urutur (village). Sf5xeplus (talk) 02:49, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

I am not bothered if Urutur catholics is deleted. You are not providing enough time to get the references and to link it. I just dont understand why it is recommended for speedy deletion. I can show you many articles in wiki which dont have proper refrences and which are not better than 'urutur catholics' article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.15.16.20 (talk) 06:01, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

We are not talking about other articles: we are talking about Urutur catholics: see WP:OTHERSTUFF.

Phantomsteve has said that he looked for references and didn't find them; but if you are sures they exist, then you are welcome to continue. I suggest you move the page to your user space (move it to User:C9VReddy/Urutur catholics) while you work on it: it will not get deleted there unless it is a copyright violation, so you have time to find the references. --ColinFine (talk) 23:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Why has my blog been blacklisted by Wikipedia?

Wiki editors:

I love your site, and link to it all the time.

But today I learned from one of my readers that my blog now appears on a blacklist of banned Wiki sites. The reader discovered this after trying, unsuccessfully, to link to me.

My site is Gannett Blog, a widely read daily about the Gannett Co. Inc., which owns USA Today and myriad other U.S. and U.K. media businesses. I publish it for the benefit of Gannett's employees and other small shareholders.

The address is www.gannettblog.blogspot.com

Regards,

Jim Hopkins Publisher and Editor Gannett Blog —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.125.120.147 (talk) 09:57, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I am not aware of any specific list of sites that cannot be linked to, but in general liking to blogs is not allowed, see WP:ELNO. The exceptions would be the very few "notable" blog sites that are permitted. -- Q Chris (talk) 11:13, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

You'll have to be a little more specific. To which page was the address being added? The XLinkBot is an automated process that removes commonly spammed web addresses (of which blogspot is one). This may have been what happened to your reader's edit. If you could tell us where the link was added, we could investigate. TNXMan 11:52, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

The English Wikipedia does maintain a web sites blacklist - see WP:Blacklist. If you think your site should not be on this list then you can propose its removal from the blacklist by posting a request at MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist#Proposed_removals - follow the instructions at the start of that talk page section. Gandalf61 (talk) 12:22, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I have removed your email address, as any contact will be made on this page (or at a pinch, on your talk page). -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 12:33, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Interesting, the page appears to be MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist -- Q Chris (talk) 12:36, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Full moon

the alminac lists the moon's last quarter as being this comming saturday, 9/25/'10, while observation is that this morning, 9/21/'10, the moon was still a day or two from being full. a comercial calendar lists the full moon as being on thursday, 9/23/'10. my question is if the moon's phases are not correct while being so easily checked what else can i reasonably believe? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.15.54 (talk) 10:17, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Which almanac are you reading ? Wikipedia's Table of lunar phases says that the next full moon falls on 23rd September, 2010, and last quarter (when 50% of the visible surface of the moon is in sunlight) falls on 1st October, 2010. Gandalf61 (talk) 10:44, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

when do move proposals end?

in the move proposal template it says they end in 7 days, how come this one has not ended yet?--intraining ^{Jack In} 10:50, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

It should close after about 7 days however there is currently a huge backlog of cases at Wikipedia:Requested_moves, It will probably be some time before an Admin is available to close the RM. considering the current level of opposition (support is slightly ahead by two), it needs to be closed as no consensus, so an admin is not really needed as no changes need to be made. But it takes a brave uninvolved individual to close it, there is no faster way of making enemies than closing a divided RM like that lol. BritishWatcher (talk) 11:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

This June 2010 needs additional citations for verification. This article is written like an advertisement

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to edit the page in order to remove the two notices??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mourant_ozannes

Many Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.244.108.227 (talk) 14:09, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, add some references to third party reliable sources and tone down the language so that it doesn't read like the firm's website. It will also need some work to demonstrate notability per WP:CORP. You may find that WikiCompany is a better outlet. – ukexpat (talk) 14:36, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Mourant Ozannes has been reduced to a stub (an alternative to speedily deleting it as spam); it has been proposed for deletion on notability grounds. – ukexpat (talk) 14:53, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

kAIC

kAIC is a property of circuit breakers and is a rating. It refers to maximum short circuit current. Can some electrical engineer out there add a definition to Wikipedia?

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary. For a dictionary, you want Wiktionary. Dismas|^(talk) 15:00, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

True, but maybe it could be mentioned in circuit breaker if appropriate references can be found. – ukexpat (talk) 15:17, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Newbie question: Seemingly erroneous error message

Hi, I tried to make a few corrections to the entry on Kalapas (just generally agreed on information; it should get more work), but in the preview I'm getting citation errors although I have included the <ref> & <ref/> and added the {{Reflist}}; also it seems that the end of the article is cut off. I've just published it now so that anybody could look at the page to see what I did wrong. Grateful for any advise, PStrand—Preceding unsigned comment added by PflasterStrand (talk • contribs)

To close a reference you need to use </ref> not <ref/> - I fixed it. – ukexpat (talk) 14:43, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Grayed-out, lined-through date/time info in a page edit history

What's up with the grayed-out, italicized, lined-through date/time info for older edits of this noticeboard? I've never seen that before, and no diffs are possible for these edits, which I also find odd. And there is no explanation at Help:Diff or at Help:Page history about this. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 16:57, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

These revisions have been hidden so that only administrators can see them, probably for legal reasons. See Wikipedia:Revision deletion. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

John of Reading is correct. Diffs can also be oversighted, which means admins are also unable to view the edit. TNXMan 17:42, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I've added a sentence to Help:Page history mentioning both revision deletion and oversight. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:14, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Seems to be a standard (automated?) procedure, since nothing in what I posted could in any way be considered controversial - but it's easier just to oversight everything regarding BLP questions, since certainly some stuff may be problematical to have in the page history. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 13:42, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

It's an admin procedure, not automated. In the case you referred to, it was decided that some sensitive information on that noticeboard needed to be hidden, even though it had been there for a day or two. The revision deletion therefore had to hide all the revisions made in that period, even though many of the edits were to other sections entirely. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:21, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Suspected IP Sock

I know that we use the {{IPsock}} template to tag an IP user page, but what do we use to tag the suspected sock puppeteer's page? — Fly by Night (talk) 17:28, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

{{Sockpuppeteer}}. – ukexpat (talk) 17:30, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that Ukexpat. — Fly by Night (talk) 17:39, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Virus on a web link?

On the page of the band "Of Tanz Victims" there is a link to their webpage. After following that link and not clicking on anything on the band's website my computer started acting very badly. The CPU went to the roof and stayed there forever thus the computer became extremely difficult to use. I run AVG anti-virus. I did a complete scan of the computer after a hard kill of the machine and it did not find anything but it took several reboots before the machine was able to run properly again. Wondering if it's just a coincidence but there may be something bad on that web page. Rene Seguin 17:37, 21 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reneseguin (talk • contribs)

If you're talking about the myspace site for the band, I clicked on it and had no problems.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Question

Does Wikipedia have an API ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ECat200 (talk • contribs) 18:16, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia uses MediaWiki. See mw:API. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Not MediaWiki API The Wiki API itself. ECat200 (talk) 18:30, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Can you explain what you want to use the API for? This might help someone point you in the right direction.

I can't tell from your contributions here how much experience you have with MediaWiki software. Are you perhaps looking for an editing guide such as the Wikipedia:Cheatsheet? -- John of Reading (talk) 18:57, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what kind of difference you are looking for. mw:API describes the API for wikis powered by MediaWiki such as Wikipedia. The examples at mw:API are for the English Wikipedia here at http://en.wikipedia.org. mw:API starts with a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php which links back to mw:API for Documentation and Examples. The MediaWiki software was created for Wikipedia but it's also used by many other wikis. I don't know whether any of those wikis have their own API on top of the one built in to MediaWiki. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:00, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

This is what i was looking for "http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php" ECat200 (talk) 07:33, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Music template

Hi, I was looking at Postcards from a Young Man and was surprised it didn't have any reviews, looking in the history it seems the reviews were deleted (which seems odd) and the edit summary was this. I don't really work in this area so it's not clear to me what that instruction is suppose to mean. Any ideas from anyway or how the (sourced) content that was in the review section can be saved. --Cameron Scott (talk) 20:08, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

It's ok it's sorted. --Cameron Scott (talk) 20:14, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

About BOUML - Copyright and consequences

Dear editors of Wikipedia,

I am writing to request you make an effort to correct the actions and ignorance of copyrights that two moderators of Wikipedia recently committed and the consequences of such actions were the disastrous discontinuation of a product widely used by many programmers: BOUML (http://bouml.free.fr/)

The discussion was started when the author of BoUML asked to remove a logo that was on wikipedia for not being the product and because such logo was not licence-free.

The moderators Dereckson and Bapti ignored the author's rights to determine which logos were representative of their own product and dismissed the request of the author, even in a mocking way, being directly responsible for the discontinuation of the product.

BOUML has over 500,000 users and more accounting academic's people. It was one of the few free software development tools that generates PHP code in the world!!! Now the proyect is closed based on the attitude of Dereckson and Bapti. We need that Wikipedia reevaluate this action, please.

Thank you very much and I expect a prompt response. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Burraburiash (talk • contribs) 20:34, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure to what you are referring. The page BOUML was deleted three years ago. Is this the page to which you are referring? TNXMan 20:39, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Dereckson and Bapti are active on the French Wikipedia. This is the English Wikipedia. If the issue you raise relates to the French Wikipedia, the French Wikipedia help desk is here (I think).--SPhilbrickT 20:50, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Mandie Movie

the Mandie movie I did not make the page okay but I want to know why delete the movie here on wiki —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.156.99 (talk) 20:37, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

What is the name of the page you refer to? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:56, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

There appears to have only been two Mandie films, so possibly the "deletion" at issue is the redirection of Mandie and the Secret Tunnel.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:45, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Dollar Car rental dispute

I have a dispute regarding a car rental can you please give me a site i can contact, i hired the car from Heathrow airport office.i made the booking on line through Dollar reservations.

Regards Frank Gibney —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.203.61 (talk) 21:32, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over three million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:54, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

The Dollar website has a customer care page here that may be a starting point. As PrimeHunter says, Wikipedia has no links with the company, so we cannot help with your dispute. Karenjc 16:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

asked to update a logo and cannot do so

Hi there,

I am attempting to update my company's logo on wikipedia but am not sure how to do so. I have internal permission to replace the current logo on the wikipedia page as it is the old logo. Not sure how to go about this, my attempts to upload it have failed. Thanks. This is the page in question http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viagogo and if someone who can actually make it happen wants to do it the link to the logo is here: http://edge0.viagogo.net/images/assets/logo/gogo_logo.gif?v=1005

Mdizzle2010 (talk) 22:59, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and replaced the older version of the logo with the new one myself. The reason why you could not do so yourself is because you are not an autoconfirmed user; in other words, you do not have an account that is four days old and/or you have not made at least 10 edits. To upload files to Wikipedia, you need to be autoconfirmed. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 23:07, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I've gone ahead and uploaded the image at the Wikimedia Commons as being under the public domain - due to the simple nature of the work, which is purely composed of text, it is not considered to be eligible for copyright in the United States. Everything is still the same, though, in respect to the logo being updated and being up-to-date in the Wikipedia article. Thanks, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 23:26, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

great thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdizzle2010 (talk • contribs) 23:31, 21 September 2010 (UTC)