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October 13

Editing the page

I did a minor edit to the article icebox, all i did was indent the paragraphs and add 1 sentence, but i think i corrupted the article. what do i do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheDamnedIV (talk • contribs) 04:11, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

You can't use spaces at the start of a line. The Wikipedia software interprets that as a command to change the formatting. If you read the tutorial, it should help you figure out how to insert the formatting you're aiming for. RudolfRed (talk) 04:17, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Also, it looks like another user has already fixed this. RudolfRed (talk) 04:19, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:AutoEd

I have been using Wikipedia:AutoEd since June 28, accessing it from the link at the top of the article page and/or the edit page. Now neither are available. I wonder if this has anything to do with the recent changes to editing Wikipedia earlier this month. Can anyone advise? -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/GG-J's Talk 09:11, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Try asking at WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:14, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/GG-J's Talk 21:19, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

User name and account

Hi I am setting up an account for myself (Frank Akinsete http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Frank_Akinsete&diff=cur) and I have put my user name as my own name as I thought I would have to use the name for the page I am creating however when I view my wikipedia page the title comes up as Editing User: Frank Akinsete when I look at other peoples pages theirs just comes up with their name. I have tried looking in the help guide but find it very confusing - should my username be different to my name that I want my page to be .... please advise. Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frank Akinsete (talk • contribs) 12:57, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Your user name is the name you edit under. Your user page, which is User:Frank Akinsete, is somewhere to tell other users about yourself and the kind of editing interests you have: in other words, information about you as a user of Wikipedia. Do you mean that you are trying to create an actual article about yourself in the encyclopaedia, entitled "Frank Akinsete"? If so, please read WP:BIO WP:AUTO and WP:COI before you go any further. You have an enormous conflict of interest, and are very strongly discouraged from writing about yourself on Wikipedia. If you do decide to create such an article in spite of this, you should use the Article creation wizard and submit it for review by other editors before it goes into the mainspace. - Karenjc 15:08, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

editorial incompetence

Hi, someone at your end has declined publication because the article lacks "notability". Please carry out the due diligence, ignorance on the part of Wikipedia editors is unacceptable. Please broaden your reference resources, the individual in question is a national celebrity of the 1950s and 1960s with international reputation. Please name and shame the individual who falsely advised on this matter. Such lame decisions along with poor editorial control underpin the reasons for the wider public refusal to accept seriously any information found in Wikipedia. It is the editors' responsibility to ensure accuracy of information and siple rejection through editorial incompetence is unacceptable.

Yours truly,

Dr Bonev, MRSC, PPhys — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonev (talk • contribs) 13:12, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

It would help if we knew which article/draft you are referring to. Presumably it's Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Dr Nadejda Hadjiivanova?--ukexpat (talk) 14:12, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Is it editorial incompetence or is it that the author didn't do a good enough job of portraying the importance of the subject 24.160.140.240 (talk) 14:28, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

OK, two things. First, we require contributors to assume good faith and to be civil. Your post above does neither of these things, and you need to reconsider your approach urgently if you wish to interact with other editors here. Please do not do this again. Second, you are labouring under a basic misapprehension about the review process. It is indeed the editors' responsibility to ensure accuracy of information, and in this case, the editor is you. The article was declined not because "it lacks notability", but because it fails adequately to demonstrate the notability of the subject - unless it does demonstrate it, it will automatically be declined. Reviewers don't do research about article subjects - that's the job of the submitting editor. Nobody is going to go off and look up the subject in reference books, or check whether she meets the Wikipedia notability standards. If you want an article about her in the encyclopaedia, it's your responsibility to ensure that the article asserts how she meets those standards, and provides checkable sources to back up your assertion. Wikipedia does not require all sources to be in English, but this is the English Wikipedia. I would strongly suggest you (1) read the advice in the decline template carefully, (2) read the notability criteria at WP:ATHLETE and ensure the article wording shows exactly how the subject satisfies them, and (3) find some English language sources that back this up, so that any reviewer checking the article can see clearly how Nadejda Hadjiivanova satisfies the criteria. For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure she satisfies them amply, but unless the article demonstrates this clearly it can't be accepted. Oh - and you need to change the title too, as one reviewer pointed out, we don't use "Dr" in article titles. See Wikipedia:manual of style. - Karenjc 15:38, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

The Google search "Nadejda Hadjiivanova" -Wikipedia gives zero relevant information for me so without searching the name in Bulgarian I cannot even confirm she exists. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:56, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

List of Wiki markups and their uses

Dear Sirs
Can you provide me a link or at least a hint to find all the markups usable in Wikipedia. (I promise, I won't add them to Help:Wiki markup to make it explode.) At least you provide me a list of <span>'s markups like id="toctitle" or even simpler things like class="error". Otherwise I will have to look at the html markups of different pages, even the blank pages, to learn and classify all of them :(
Yours faithfully
Vanischenu^「m/_Talk」
14:29, 13 October 2012 (UTC) inserted one more sentence on 14:45, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Are you looking for Help:HTML in wikitext? Most of the "class" and "id" names are listed at Wikipedia:Catalogue of CSS classes. But you shouldn't need to know anything about them in order to edit articles; article markup should be kept simple so that other editors can understand and improve your work. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:17, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Both of them helped me a lot. (Of course, no way I am going to use them in to the articles, directly. I just wanted to use them in talkpages, templates (only when necessary), userpages, etc.)

One more doubt,
Does every thing I see in WP under class="..." or id="..." like ui-button, ui-widget, ui-corner-all etc.^[1] goes into it Wikipedia:Catalogue of CSS classes? What about role="button"? Some works for div but not for span. e.g., <div id="mw-page-base" class="noprint">
So does anyone mind creating a new page for all that is applicable to span so that it will be an aid for creating/beautifying templates, userpages etc.?···Vanischenu^「m/_Talk」 18:27, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Adding photo to article

I want to add a photo of the the steamship Arlanza to the article but can't find out how to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erix01 (talk • contribs) 15:20, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Added a title to this question. Karenjc 15:40, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

See WP:Image tutorial, if you need further assistance you can ask us again here. Roger (talk) 15:56, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) There's an image already at Commons, File:StateLibQld 1 133465 Arlanza (ship).jpg, which is used in the German Wikipedia article. Is this the image you want to use? If so, then it's easy: add it in a simple form to the article RMS Arlanza (1912) by putting exactly the following code at the top of the page: [[File:StateLibQld 1 133465 Arlanza (ship).jpg|right|thumb|300px|RMS ''Arlanza'']] This code specifies the filename, the position and size, and puts the image in a box with a caption. If you want to use a different picture that is not already uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, you will need to determine its copyright status and then upload it with the correct licence before you can paste it into the article in the same way. Instructions for this procedure are at Wikipedia:Uploading images. - Karenjc 15:59, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

K2 peak

Sir, I have noticed in the information given regarding the K2 peak. It is undoubtedly the second highest peak in the world. But K2 or Godwin Austin is in India in the Gilgit area in Jammu & Kashmir. That K2 is the highest peak in Pakistan is an ill conceived and misleading information. Please get corrected that the second highest peak in the world K2 is in India. I'm sure you would make necessary changes in the wiki paedia and inform me regarding your initiative.

Thanking you

Yours faithfully

[personal details removed]— Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.235.128.39 (talk) 15:49, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

There is a dispute about whether it is in China or Pakistan, but I haven't heard that India has a claim. The best place to discuss it is on the article talk page.

Have you read the International Boundary Study, which states that the China–Pakistan border goes through the summit?--SPhilbrick(Talk) 15:56, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, India has a claim. By every map I've checked, K2 is within the territory claimed (but not occupied) by India. —Tamfang (talk) 21:13, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Miszabot archives of User Talk

When does Miszabot create a new archive? My user talk "Archive 2" is getting extremely long. What is supposed to trigger the bot to start "Archive 3"? Roger (talk) 16:27, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm in the same situation. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:38, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Need for Miszabot 2.0? One can dream. Marketdiamond (talk) 16:58, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

The configuration section at the top of User talk:Dodger67 says "maxarchivesize = 100K". So it will add another 17Kb to your second archive before starting a new one. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:04, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Question about GA nominations

Hi, is there a limit to the number of GA nominations a single editor can make? I have an article I want to nominate shortly (once it goes through a copy edit), but have another pending at GAN. I know Peer Reviews and FACs are limited to one article per editor, but is the same true for GAN? Paul MacDermott (talk) 16:50, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Interesting question, never heard of any limit and after looking at WP:GAC and just using the logic of WP:COMMON I don't see and wouldn't think there would be (Interested to confirm this if any editor has a fact I missed). However seeing there is a backlog of review at GA nominations it may be useful to not limit oneself in reviewing as well! Marketdiamond (talk) 17:13, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I couldn't see anything when I looked through the guidelines, but thought it was worth asking just in case. Paul MacDermott (talk) 17:20, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Just to clarify I don't consider myself an expert on WP:GAC, so I may be corrected. Marketdiamond (talk) 17:38, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Astrology

There have been a debate issue about the Chinese Zodiac signs and the Western Horoscope signs, I am going to remove the mythology from the Western Horoscope signs due to WP:BOLLOCKS. I went to the page protection page and wanted to protect the signs of these zodiac, because they are a reliable source to Eastern values and they constantly being vandalized by IP's and one user believes it's "crap" which is unethical of the user, I want the share of the same values with the Western Horoscope signs, because they both are psuedoscience source, but mainly from mythological sources and I am hoping to keep them as they were for mythological purposes, I tried hard in to protecting these articles and allowed the IP who helped. Yes, to some it may be fiction, but it is mythology to another nations heritage and I don't want another horoscope deleted while the other is better, please at protect these pages and the Western Astrology signs for the WP:RS is pertains to mythology. One administrator will be deleting the revisions. Although, I believe it was reliable to mythological uses, and not from another user unethical reason of "Pure Crap".

Yes, fiction, pertaining to mythology, but it doesn't need deletion, and at least if there is any way to the informative sentences. Western Astrology already had mythology sections, and Chinese Zodiac signs as well, but since it is going to be deleted I suggest removing the mythology from the Western Horoscope. I want to work for both sources from mythology, and it is not just Bollocks, but since this occurred I would go on and remove it from the Western Horoscope, although both sources were fact from their mythology, and there are IPs who do mess with one culture to another. I would like to build more on the Chinese Zodiac the sources of mythology and its heritage it pertains to their countries values about mythology and folkore.--GoShow (............................) 16:57, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

You seem very informed on that subject, I see a few different things going on here. Word of caution, however, before you--as you say--"remove the mythology from the Western Horoscope signs" (and thus potentially violate WP:POINT) you may want to preserve editors WP:AGF in your actions by instead directing your energy to starting a WP:RFC or seeking a 3rd party to intervene in the Chinese Zodiac additions. I can appreciate that some editors deep into those projects can become slightly myopic (indeed that is simply human nature) and may become rigid with certain views. That is why the two options of RFC and 3rd party may assist in resolving this amicably and through compromise. Wish you a happy resolution to this. Marketdiamond (talk) 17:07, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Appreciated, thanks for boot up anyway.--GoShow (............................) 19:26, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Your welcome . . . not sure what you mean by "boot up" thou? Marketdiamond (talk) 20:09, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

• Thy answer to this Phrase would be to moving upward reach skyward, good steady ongoing user.GoShow (............................) 19:26, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Interesting, best of luck! Marketdiamond (talk) 02:43, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

highlight text for fact tag

I saw a fact tag once which had highlighted the text which required reference. Can't find how that was done. Can someone help? --IP98 (talk) 17:00, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

See Template:Citation needed span. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:06, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation of human names

Let's say I have 15 notable people named John Doe and I want to write articles about all of them. 5 of them were politicians and the other 10 had different professions. Some of those 15 are alive and well and others deceased. I would create a page called John Doe (disambiguation) where I list all the John Does and link to their respective article. Maybe I would write about one of the John Does, who I deem most notable, under the title John Doe, or just have that page link to the disambiguation page. However, I'm not sure how I should seperate all the politicians from one another. Here are some ideas:

• John Doe (musician)
• John Doe (politician, 1944), a politician who was born 1905 and is still alive.
• John Doe (politician, 1905–1985), a politician who was born 1905 and died 1985.
• John Doe (Prime Minister), a politician who became Prime Minister.
• John Doe (scientist)

Can somebody provide me with a general guideline? Cheers. Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 18:23, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

You can also disambiguate the politicians by the highest positions they held:

• John Doe (US Senator)
• John Doe (Govenor of Texas)
• John Doe (Member of Parliament, Australia)
• John Doe (Mayor of Birmingham, England)
• John Doe (Mayor of Vancouver, Canada)

Roger (talk) 18:38, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

And when ministers hold multiple portfolios throughout their career? Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 19:22, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Pick the one they are best known for, and if there are others that are close, create redirect for those options.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 20:03, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Wrong Information

Resolved

Hello I am the sister of Keith (Cowboy) Wiggins the article stated that my brother passed away of the aids virus. Keith didn't pass away from aids, he passed away from pneumonia. Mother had test done to check if my brother had the virus all results came back stated that Keith (cowboy) Wiggins didn't have HIV/AIDS.

I'm talking about this article: Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mookiekdw (talk • contribs) 19:22, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi there! I checked the article and all I found about his death was the cited and sourced: "Keith "Cowboy" Wiggins died due to his addiction to crack cocaine on September 8, 1989." with the last article edit in September and nothing about AIDS nor HIV anywhere . . . where do you see an issue here exactly? If you have other information that is cited or sourced you may edit the article and add that information along with the < ref > tags, thanks. Marketdiamond (talk) 20:02, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I found that statement inside a quote in On the Strength article, without any citations. A google search didn't throw any info about that quote. Hence I have removed it. --Anbu121 (talk me) 20:14, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Articles

I'm the grandson of an American Civil War veteran and I've come to know that there are still 300 living children of veterans of the war and I'm just amazed. I've tried to make articles about them but they are not relevant, my question is, once the last of them dies, would that make it relevant? I don't want 300 people dead haha, but just wonder. Thank you. Iowafromiowa (talk) 21:50, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

There's a concept on Wikipedia that notability is not inherited. It isn't even clear that any particular Civil War Veteran is notable (clearly many are but not all), so it is even harder to understand why being the child of a veteran would make on notable.

However, we don't make the call. If a number of newspapers decide to write articles about the living descendants, then it might be worthy of an article.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 22:15, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Template question: Duration of event in {{countdown}}

I can't set duration for {{countdown}}, even though I follow the pattern given in the documentation. See my attempt. Note the timestamp I placed above where I tested the template, which confirms that I got the timezone correct (time as UTC).

Even when I set duration to an enormous amount (100 hrs if counted in microseconds), it still flips straight from "There are 27 seconds left before event starts" to "event has ended" when I preview again a half minute later.

I tried various units after the duration (s, sec, seconds, h, hr, hours) with and without spaces - same result. Is it a bug? --Chriswaterguy talk 23:27, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi! I took the liberty to add a copied version to the bottom of your sandbox, it appears to work . . . is there a specific item within it you are seeing an error on in the display? Marketdiamond (talk) 23:38, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

P.S. btw I'm not all that familiar with UTC but the current time in London is 12:43 AM October 14th. When you, as I did put in for 1 AM 10/14 it works. There might be a bug with the UTC and the format but in real world London (GMT) its Sunday morning as I post this. Marketdiamond (talk) 23:43, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I think I explained it badly. It works fine when the event has yet to start (as your test showed), but when I checked just now your test showed "event has ended".

I want it to give the "event has started" message after the start time, during the event itself (i.e. before the duration has expired). It's not working.

(Btw, if you're in London, it's still BST (daylight saving time), not GMT until 28 October 2012.) --Chriswaterguy talk 02:53, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

The template made a wrong test of the duration parameter. It looks like [1] has fixed it. It counts seconds. The former code tested whether a page with the name of the duration parameter exists, instead of testing whether the duration parameter is present. I imagine the template coder only tested small durations, and all small numbers have a page in Wikipedia (about the corresponding year such as 60), so testing would have given correct results. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:30, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Wonderful. Thank you, PrimeHunter. --Chriswaterguy talk 07:54, 14 October 2012 (UTC)