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May 30

Wiki mark-ups when editing a page

Someone seems to play with the way wiki mark-ups are displayed. They used to be click-able but then suddenly they were not and then were again. Now, again, they're not and one has to copy and paste each symbol. Does someone know what's going on here or at which venue this should be addressed? Thanks, TMCk (talk) 03:20, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Never mind. I posted it on a technical board.TMCk (talk) 00:54, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Login screen

Just to be 100% sure, the login window had a different look when I went to it today. Was that suppose to happen? TomStar81 (Talk) 03:29, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Just checked. Mine was new too. Let's hope so. --Jayron32 04:19, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#New login and account creation designs being enabled soon -- John of Reading (talk) 07:12, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I want to correct some errors and remove some erroneous facts

I want to correct some errors and remove some erroneous facts

Brian Jones (golfer) — Preceding unsigned comment added by V Krishnaswamy (talk • contribs) 10:37, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

If you have reliable sources for your changes, then please by all means be bold and edit the article. For help with editing, please see the tutorial. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:41, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

German Minority Political Party in Poland

German Minority (political party) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Good afternoon,

Your English langauge site has a page dedicated to this apparent organisation. I have twoo problems with this: First it doesn'y actually exist. The German minority in Poland is represented through the medium of a German electoral committee. Secondly, I am cited as one of the main sources for this piee of dis-information. I've never claimed that the electoral committee is a political party. Can you please as a minimum remove my articles as spources and preferably remove the article itself.

Thank you

(Professor) Karl Cordell — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.163.23.12 (talk) 11:30, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

If you can cite a reliable source, you can edit and correct the article. Otherwise, discuss on the article's talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 11:48, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Um, we don't need to ask professor Cordell to cite a 'reliable source' for a statement he is already being cited for. We need to check whether the sources cited say what they are purported to say - and anyone can do that. However, I note that the article doesn't actually cite Cordell for any of the (few) references - instead it includes his works in a bibliography. This certainly needs looking into, but the burden of proof here rests with those who include material to show that it is correct. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:12, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Looking into this further, I note that both the Polish-language [1] and German-language [2] Wikipedia articles linked to this article refer to an 'Election Committee', and not a political party. It appears that we've simply got it wrong. I'll ask at the language reference desk for help from Polish and German speakers to confirm this, and see if we can sort this mess out. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:44, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Table spacing

Can someone please help me sort the spacing on this table:

Year	Worldwide sales	Worldwide production	Notes
2008	0	1,600	Was sold in some European countries for a small portion of the year.
2009	86,500	91,700	Officially launched throughout Europe and production increased to ≥850 units per day to keep up with demand. Citroën expected sales of between 90,000 and 100,000 units, a target which was not met.
2010	83,700	77,100	Worldwide sales decreased by 3.2% in 2010 and production was cut by about 16% in anticipation of lower sales in 2011, possibly caused by the European recession – Europe is the biggest market for the vehicle.
2011	101,612	TBA	The Trnava plant was closed between 28 October and 18 November as production had exceeded demand. Citroën said overall sales had fallen by 13.3% since 2010 and announced that three PSA plants could be closed.

I need the table the same length, but with the Notes section bigger and sales and production smaller. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 12:42, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

The column widths as determined by "style="width:40%;" and so on total up to 200%. Adjust the percentages so that the total is 100, start by simply halving all the nmbers, then you can play around with the numbers until it looks right - just be sure to keep to total at 100%. I'd guess that you want the last column to be around 40-50%. You can also adjust the total table width, currently set at 650pixels by the "style="width:650px;" statement. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:52, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I've got it! Thanks a lot Roger ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 14:12, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Roger, are you able to sort the table so that "Worldwide production" and "Worldwide sales" are on the same line without changing the size of the sections? The table is here. ::Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 14:27, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I took "Worldwide" out of the two column headings and moved it to the section heading instead, now the column headings all fit in as a single line of text. BTW I put the total table width definition back to a fixed number of pixels. Setting it to 100% means it takes up the full page width - which varies by browser and screen size. I hope this meets your requirements. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:45, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm very happy with that ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 16:15, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

99 Sqn RAF

The Officer commanding is WING COMMANDER STU LINDSELL not Simon Edwards....he left 5 years ago — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.104.208 (talk) 13:30, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Five years? This UK government source says Edwards was still in charge in August 2010. Do you have any source that mentions Lindsell? Arthur goes shopping (talk) 13:42, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

about company

what type of oil and gas EXXON COMPANY produce? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Advaj Shivshakti (talk • contribs) 13:58, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Expensive! is the short answer. Have you had a look at the article ExxonMobil? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 14:29, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Composition of oil and gas is usually determined by the location it is retrieved from rather than the company, you might find the information in the Petroleum Industry article useful. CaptRik (talk) 16:02, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

what is the source of Seoul flag?

File:Seoul Flag.png, I can't find it in the official web seoul.go.kr.--淺藍雪 (talk) 13:59, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Please note that fair use images may only be used on the page they are designated as fair use for, i.e., it is a copyright violation to display the image here, so I have turned it into a link (by prefixing a colon inside the markup). I tried looking through all the results from google images for "flag of seoul" and "seoul flag" but no luck. However, the user who uploaded the image back in 2009, User:ASDFGH is still active and might remember the source used. I'll drop a note on their talk page.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:00, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Got an answer at the user's talk page, and will go update the image with it. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:05, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much.--淺藍雪 (talk) 05:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Integrity Management cite reference

Hi,

I have tried to edit and contribute to this page but get no response from anyone. If you look at the talk section you will notice that I am asking them to reference my Integrity Management Methodology written in 1997 which I think predates most of the other entries. This is the website Integrity Management. I would like to get some response as to how I might get my information included in this referencing. Although my methodology was never published publicly, there are many clients and people who could attest to its existence. Please also see my current website, http://gendereconomics.com/about/

Thankyou very much Susanne Moore — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.170.202 (talk) 14:33, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid the first rule of sources used on Wikipedia is that they must have been published. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:21, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

The link which you added, with the link text "Integrity Management Methodology", leads to a site about gender equality. Both are worthy causes, but linking to a gender equality site from a page which does not even mention gender appears unhelpful. Maproom (talk) 16:17, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Adding to Wikipedia

How do i add to wikipedia? Elaine accomAndo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1011:B10B:2593:9A36:FCF4:4154:82C1 (talk) 15:41, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Start at WP:TUTORIAL. It will explain how. RudolfRed (talk) 16:00, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Beaches of South Walton

Hi. I work for the Official Tourism Development Council for the destination South Walton, which was previously known as Beaches of South Walton. Can you help me update the name of the article to reflect the change? It should be "South Walton, FL." Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.49.124.30 (talk) 15:55, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Wow! Beaches of South Walton, Florida is just about the worst example of the most blatant WP:SPAM I've seen on Wikipedia in a very long time! It would be far better to simply start a new article from scratch - after you've first read the WP:BPCOI guideline page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:07, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I have reverted it to a slightly better version, but it's still a spamfest.--ukexpat (talk) 16:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, I'm afraid the only cure would be a the application of some TNT. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:12, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I've just checked - from the first edit that created the page it has been blatant spam. I see a G11 in the article's (hopefully very brief) future... Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:33, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

And poof, it's gone.--ukexpat (talk) 19:19, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit warring?

When I logged in, I found a notification as follows; "71.2.172.65 mentioned you on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Monday at 23:29". However, I can't find where I'm mentioned on WP:AN/EW - is there any way of searching? As far as I know, I'm not at war with anybody. Alansplodge (talk) 16:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

In this edit, that IP transcluded Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science into that noticeboard, and hence confused quite a few people. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:56, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I can sleep easily tonight then! Alansplodge (talk) 17:57, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Resolved

Kiara Belen contd.

The article on Kiara Belen shows the former representative and agency (Slater Management) and it is currently Total Expose' Public Relations who represents her. How do we make this change? Phylliscausey (talk) 17:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC) Phylcausey

IMHO representation/agency stuff shouldn't be in any article as it is inherently spammy.--ukexpat (talk) 18:44, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Turning off the latest interface tomfoolery

I am so sick of the interface being played with and am still simmering after the orange bar removal boondoggle. Anyway, how do I turn off the useless, heavy-handed "updated since my last visit" messages in day-glo puke green highlight peppered through the history of every page I have watched?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:51, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Preferences -->Gadgets-->Watchlist, maybe?--ukexpat (talk) 18:49, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. Nope, that has a button to turn off the green bullets but not the new "feature".--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

In your common.css, try

span.updatedmarker{display:none;}

-- John of Reading (talk) 20:21, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks John, worked perfectly.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:12, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Reference Permanence

Since references that support articles may and will in many cases eventually become unavailable from their original sources, is there any effort by Wikipedia to archive the referenced documents and files, or is archive.org the only safety net? I am concerned that as time goes on, fewer and fewer references will be retrievable. GS Silver (talk) 18:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

It is highly unlikely that the WMF would wish to involve itself in archiving material, for copyright reasons. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:55, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia tries, as much as possible, to confront this problem, though it is particularly thorny. See Wikipedia:Link rot for a starting point in your research to answer the question. It goes through some common methods of combating the problem, and links to other pages which discuss it as well. --Jayron32 19:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

A long discussion occurred earlier this year about the possibility of the WMF's taking over WebCite so that we can archive our own refs. I don't think much came of it, but editors are certainly aware of the problem. Deor (talk) 19:47, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Advertisement Notice

How does the advertisement notice disappear from an article? I helped rewrite it and believe it is now a more neutral point of view, but the notice is still there.

21:10, 30 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.215.110.210 (talk)

None of the notices get removed automatically, but any editor may remove them. If you believe you have cured the problem, you may remove the template from the top of the page. Make sure you give an edit summary explaining this, so that your edit does not look like vandalism. --ColinFine (talk) 21:22, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

However, now that I have looked at Kern Wildenthal, I strongly advise you not to remove it. It does indeed read like an advertisement, not a neutrally written encyclopaedia article. --ColinFine (talk) 21:28, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Just to ask about kamayo dialect,

I would just want to ask to check your surigaonon/tandagonon dialect cause i think davao oriental does not speak this dialect although they have similarities but we speak the dialect kinamayo and it is popularly called the dabawenyo dialect, there is realy a difference between the kinamayo or dabawenyo, surigaonon and tandagonon dialect like maraatay which means ugly in kinamayo/dabawenyo but different in surigaonon and tandagonon so you i shall say we dabawenyos particularly davao oriental do not speak surigaonon but we speak kinamayo or dabawenyo and furthermore this dialect was also spoken in davao city. Thank You for the kind consideration and understanding for my letter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.210.71.86 (talk) 23:52, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I think this is about the Surigaonon language article. Maproom (talk) 14:50, 31 May 2013 (UTC)