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February 21

Miracle on Ice-1980 Lake Placid

Question: You list the Soviet Union as winning the silver medal in the olympics in 1980. The United States beat Finland to win the Gold Medal, so it follows that Finland won the silver medal and not the Soviet Union does it not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.196.139.146 (talk) 00:16, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Apparently Finland finished fourth. See Ice_hockey_at_the_1980_Winter_Olympics. RudolfRed (talk) 00:24, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

It looks like they used a different system to determine the medal winners in 1980, then they do today, see Ice hockey at the 1980 Winter Olympics. GB fan 00:25, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

There was no final. See Miracle on Ice#Gold medal or Ice hockey at the 1980 Winter Olympics#Final round. It was a four-team round-robin. USA defeated the Soviet Union in the second-last round and went one point ahead of them. When USA defeated Finland in the last round they were certain of gold. The Soviet Union defeated Sweden later in the day but it was only enough for silver. The end position meant you could say afterwards that the US victory over the Soviet Union had been the deciding game. It was the only game where either team would eventually have ended up with the gold if they had won (assuming no changes in other games). If USA had lost to Finland then the Soviet Union would have the gold. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:26, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Photograph of Taiichi Ohno

Can someone help me find a photograph of this man for his article? The problem is being able to find something that is under public license or similar.Lbertolotti (talk) 00:26, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

The best option I could come across was here -- it's currently semi-freely licensed though not with a license acceptable to wikipedia. I'd contact them (it appears to be an official Toyota account on Flickr) and ask if they could change the licensing to CC-BY or CC-BY-SA (the no derivatives and non-commercial options don't work). There is a sample request message here. Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:49, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Also, if you go that route it would probably be best to confirm that Toyota owns the copyright and that they have the authority to license it. Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:51, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

If this is the article Taiichi Ohno and he is actually dead, and you have looked and cannot find a free image- the image doesnt need to be free, WP:FAIR covers it.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:00, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

search error

The search features above give errors when I use them - i.e.

• Search Frequently Asked Questions
• Search the help desk archives

--Chriswaterguy talk 02:40, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

It works for me. Do you still get errors? Which search do you make and what specifically happens? PrimeHunter (talk) 07:29, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Working fine now. Can't recall the text, but it was the usual search page, with an error message below the box with namespace options, and no hits on terms that should have given hits (I think I put in my username). Not the "nothing found" kind of message. --Chriswaterguy talk 07:55, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Citation templates for web news

Re the {{cite news}} & templates:

• Location = location for whom - the publication, the journalist, or...? E.g. in an article on www.theguardian.com (UK publication) by a "Guardian Australia political editor" is it UK or Australia?
• For articles from a news site that has no print publication, e.g. the Australian Broadcasting Corporation website, do I use the {{cite web}} or the cite news template? (I assume cite news, but there appears to be some inconsistency in how these two are used.)
• Similarly for online articles on a newspaper's website, where I don't know if they appeared in print - I assume the cite news template, but it's not quite clear.

Thanks --Chriswaterguy talk 02:46, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

If you look at the template documentation, you will find 'place' / 'location' listed in the Publisher section. And the lead notes "for news articles in print, video, audio or web." --  Gadget850 ^talk 02:56, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Ah yes - needed to read more closely. Thanks. --Chriswaterguy talk 07:58, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

BLPVIO edit summary

What is the correct procedure to get rid of a slanderous edit summary in a BLP article history? I have reverted the edit itself and warned the vandal but the problematic edit summary remains in the history. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:52, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Requests for oversight. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:31, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:28, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

LISTING

DEAR SIR, WE ARE A ESTABLISHED CUSTOM TAILORING COMPANY IN BANGKOK,THAILAND AND WOULD LIKE TO BE LISTED UNDER "COMPANIES IN BANGKOK" CATEGORY.KINDLY ADVISE.OUR WEBSITE IS http://www.nibh.com THANK YOU AMON — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.8.53.65 (talk) 08:22, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

You've come to the wrong place. Wikipedia is not a listing service. --Thnidu (talk) 10:05, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

See WP:NOTDIRECTORY. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:30, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Emaren19 and iOS 7

Good morning I am user As11ley

I have recently been involved in an edit war on article iOS 7 on where I feel that user Emaren19 has been making continuous disruptive edits. I have tried talking to the user and politely asked him to dispute anything on the articles talk page, however I have started receiving abusing and harassing comments from him on my talk page. I believe all edits I have done on iOS 7 have been completely accurate and user Emaren19 has been wrongly editing the page, along with harassing me on my talk page. For evidence please see my talk page. (talk)

Thanks for your time and I hope to get things sorted out shortly

As11ley (talk) 08:50, 21 February 2014 (GMT)

Looking at the recent edits to the iOS 7 article, I see differences of opinion among editors. I also see that you have accused another editor of "vandalism", when his edit was clearly not vandalism. Maproom (talk) 14:28, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

How to Add a Biography

Dear Wiki, I must have to add a biography of my grand father who was a great writer of Islamic books and Mufti as well. Please let me know how can I add biography.

Thanks, Mohd Arif — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arif,siddqui (talk • contribs) 09:00, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

First read the following policy and guideline pages - WP:Biography, WP:PEOPLE, WP:PSCOI and then the WP:My first article guide. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:42, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Watchlist paramters

Is there any way I can increase the amount of changes shown in my Watchlist? (like the recent changes show 500 changes option) Because I like to read/follow current events, but those tend to have hundreds of changes per day, monopolizing my watch list, forcing me to logIn dally to keep up, which is sometimes hard todo with my work load. --PLNR (talk) 09:20, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

I tried to use the "&limit=xxx" the recent changes parameter in url, no go. Any ideas? --PLNR (talk) 10:19, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

On the "Watchlist" tab at Special:Preferences there is a "Maximum number of changes to show in expanded watchlist". If you have less than 1000 configured there, you could try increasing it. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:30, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. --PLNR (talk) 11:24, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Deletions

I have a simple question. I'm running for US Senate in Ga. All but one of my opponents have a Wiki page. Each time one is created for me, it is deleted. Why?

Page Title: Derrick E Grayson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.249.88.33 (talk) 09:22, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

The discussion that resulted in the deletion is here - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Derrick E Grayson. Basically, at the time it was deleted there wasn't sufficient in-depth independent press coverage about you. BTW as far as I can see, that article has been created and deleted only once. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:35, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Basically the policy is that running for a political office isn't necessarily enough to show notability. In fact, in some cases the candidate who won the primary for a major party for Senate/Governor isn't necessarily notable if they are beaten handily in the general election. (For example Guy Davis, the 1986 Republican Nominee for Georgia Governor). As for your opponents, Broun(R), Gingrey(R), and Kingston(R) are members of the house, Handel(R) has been elected to statewide office and Steen Miles has been a state senator. Eugene Yu(R) and Branko Radulovacki (D) are more or less in the same situation that you are, so I wouldn't find it all that strange if the wikipedia pages about them were proposed for deletion). Michelle Nunn has not held elected office, but has received *considerably* more coverage that most candidates other than Broun, Gingrey and Kingston.Naraht (talk) 10:42, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

There were two more recent deletions at the correct title with a period after the initial here. Dru of Id (talk) 15:19, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Adding archive info for suspended link gets error, but help link doesn't help

One of the external links for Odic force is dead, or at least comatose: The Odic Energy Research Institute's site says "This Account Has Been Suspended". There are copies on the Wayback Machine, the latest dated Dec. 30, 2013 (so the link may go live again, but who knows?). But when I try to update the link with the archive info, I get an error message. (I've formatted the wikitext in typewriter font because the pipe and small ell look about identical in sans-serif fonts.)

After writing up this help request, I realized I didn't need to use {{cite web}} at all, and appended the information to the External link in prose, but the problem remains; see ¶ after error message.

Wikitext:

{{cite web|url=http://odicenergy.com/|work=The Odic Energy Research Institute|publisher=The Odic Energy Research Institute|accessdate=21 February 2014|archiveurl=http://web.archive.org/web/20131230041333/http://odicenergy.com/|archivedate=2013-12-30}}

Parsed wikitext:

The Odic Energy Research Institute. The Odic Energy Research Institute http://web.archive.org/web/20131230041333/http://odicenergy.com/ |archiveurl= missing title (help). Archived from the original on 2013-12-30. Retrieved 21 February 2014.

The word "help" in red parentheses is wikilinked to Help:CS1 errors#bare url missing title. That section of the help page lists the appropriate fixes for

• chapterurl
• conferenceurl
• contributionurl
• transcripturl

that have no corresponding title parameter, but it says nothing about what to do for an archiveurl. In fact, the only mentions of archiveurl on that page are in two adjacent sections,

• |archiveurl= requires |archivedate=
• |archiveurl= requires |url=

… and, as you can see, I've supplied both of those.

The help page needs to be edited to cover this situation.

So I don't have to watch this page, please {{ping}} me if you want my further involvement. Thank you. --Thnidu (talk) 10:47, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

@Thnidu: I've updated the help page. The {{cite web}} example, above, is lacking a |title= parameter. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:25, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

@John of Reading: Thanks, John. BTW, is that /ˈrɛdɪŋ/ as in England, /ˈriːdɪŋ/ as in what you're doing with this message right now, or a pun on both? There's a good YA fantasy called The Man from Reading that does just that. My wife was a librarian. :-) --Thnidu (talk) 11:32, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

@Thnidu: Definitely Reading, Berkshire. There's an old story somewhere about a foreigner at Paddington seeing a train marked "For Reading Passengers Only". He shrugged and went to buy a newspaper. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:55, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

@John of Reading: Heh! – Well, I'm about falling over: it's 7:14 a.m. here and I'm not "up already", I'm "still up". Stupid me. Thanks. --Thnidu (talk) 12:15, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Abandoned account created an article draft in the wrong namespace, help with fix

User:RichardOled (with no prior edits) apparently created Help:New page as a draft article page for British history, didn't create a userpage or talkpage, and vanished. This was tagged over a year ago (4 July 2013) as being in the wrong namespace, and so I was bold and tried to clean up after them.

I moved the page to User:RichardOled/Draft and made a user page linking back to the draft subpage; I then usurped the title with a soft redirect pointing to User:RichardOled/Draft and a hatnote to the more probable title of Help:Creating a new page. Now editors trying to find instructions on page creation can find it, and the editor can find their article‑to‑be.

But I'm wondering if what I did was most logical. How likely is RichardOled to return? Is there some sort of "lost and found" for missing editors' abandoned articles? I understand a hard #REDIRECT for the first line of Help:New page would be enough for them to find the draft if they wished; would this be a more sensible course of action?
Is there actually a "lost and found" around here for this sort of thing?
Anything else I need to do, like flag the account as no longer active or something? meteor_sandwich_yum (talk) 12:47, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

the page was speedy deleted as a hoax. if the user comes back looking for their content they are likely to be confused, but return seems unlikely. I have posted a version of what happened on their talk page which should trigger the notification if they return and if they have questions, more experienced users will hopefully help them piece together any confusing bits. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:49, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the elegant solution, TRPoD & Faggidabboudit. meteor_sandwich_yum (talk) 01:56, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

I mean Fuhghettaboutit. Look-alike. meteor_sandwich_yum (talk) 02:03, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Changing an existing biography

Not acceptable content for Wikipedia.--ukexpat (talk) 19:59, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

I would greatly appreciate help changing an existing biography on Professor Barry Gusterson. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Gusterson. If possible I would like replace the article with changes below listed below but I don't know how to replace the original article with new one. I'm happy to type details on site if someone could give me some guidance on how to either create new one or delete old one: Education: Gusterson was educated at Colchester Royal Grammar School and obtained a BSc in Physiology at St Bartholomew’s Hospital before obtaining a dental degree at the Royal Dental Hospital and a medical degree at St Bartholomew’s Hospital. He obtained a PhD on opiate receptors, at the Ludwig Institute and his MRCPath, whilst training at the Royal Marsden Hospital. Career: Gusterson held posts in medicine and surgery at St Bartholow’s Hospital and the Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital and was appointed as Professor of Histopathology at the Institute of Cancer Research and Consultant at the Royal Marsden Hospital in 1986. Whilst at the Institute he held a number of senior positions, including Chairman of the Section of Cell Biology and Experimental Pathology. He initiated the concept to build the first dedicated breast cancer research centre (1) and was appointed Founding Director of the Toby Robins, Breakthrough Breast Cancer Research Centre in 1998. In 2000 he moved to Glasgow University, where he held a number of senior positions as Professor of Pathology, Head of Forensic Science and Medicine, initiator and Director of the Glasgow Biobank. As Associate Dean for Research in the Medical faculty and Head of Cancer Sciences he restructured cancer sciences, which brought Glasgow up to 4th in the UK in the Research Assessment Exercise. He chaired the pan Glasgow pathology Committee that resulted in the unification of all pathology departments across Glasgow and Clyde into a new purpose built building at the Southern General Hospital. Gusterson retired in 2011 and became a Trustee for Moorfield’s Eye Charity and a member of Council for St George’s London University (2). Research: Gusterson’s interests have been predominantly aimed at understanding the biology of head and neck cancer and breast cancer, with some earlier studies on soft tissue sarcomas (3). He is best known internationally for his studies on the normal breast and breast development. Since retiring his research interests continue in these areas. BarryG1 (talk) 12:58, 21 February 2014 (UTC) Barry Gusterson’s major achievements have been his vision in initiating two new cancer centres, which developed as major fundraising projects in which he played a key role as the clinical lead. These resulted in the building of the Toby Robins Breakthrough Breast Cancer Research Centre at the Institute of Cancer Research in London (4) and the Wolfson Wohl Cancer Research Centre at Glasgow University (5). Awards: Gusterson was an Oakley Lecturer for the Pathological Society of Great Britain and Ireland and in 2009 received the Doniach Award for lifetime contributions to Pathology. References and External Links: 1. http://www.breakthrough.org.uk/about-us/our-people/founding-fellows 2. http://www.sgul.ac.uk/about-st-georges/planning-secretariat-office/secretariat-office/council/council-independant-members/professor-barry-gusterson 3. http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Search?query=barry%20gusterson 4. http://www.breakthroughresearch.org.uk/research-centre/history 5. http://www.wolfson.org.uk/funding/case-studies/science-medicine/university-of-glasgow/ Philosophy on Life: “Only dead fish swim with the stream” – Malcolm Muggeridge

the above is not acceptable encyclopedia article. wikipedia is not a webhost for posting CV's. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:41, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

correction request

To whom it may concern:

This is to request an edit to the page on Barbara R. Snyder, president of Case Western Reserve University. The link is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Snyder

Please remove the nickname "Babs" in the introduction line; the nickname is inaccurate and not used: Barbara "Babs" R. Snyder is an American academic and president of Case Western Reserve University. Snyder is the first woman to serve as Case Western Reserve's president.

Please email when the correction has been made.

Thank you for your attention to this.

129.22.113.69 (talk) 17:45, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Bill Lubinger Case Western Reserve University Director of Media Relations and Communications — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.22.113.69 (talk) 14:27, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Y Done. The questionable nickname had been added by anonymous user 63.253.206.94, without citation. I have removed it. Jax MN (talk) 14:47, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Delinking template parameters

Sometimes template parameters are automatically linked - is there a way to override this? Specifically, I want to delink the phrase "Special advisor" in the infobox on the Joe Gibbs article. Is this possible? —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:29, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done It depends on the template. In this particular case using the parameter currentpositionplain= instead of currentposition= avoids the wiki-link. DES ^(talk) 15:12, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Font size

Inadvertently I did something when changing my talk page that resulted in the point-size of text going way up and I think changing font as well. I can't seem to find how to go back to the previous default settings. It seems to be a Wiki issue as other websites appear as before on my screen. Thanks for your assistance. Sca (talk) 16:16, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

In most browsers you can change size with Ctrl and '+' or '-', or '0' to reset the size. Ctrl and mousewheel may also change size. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:33, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, I got the point size down with the mousewheel. However, the page display remains different, with the search box at top right rather than in the left column as before. How to switch back? TNX. Sca (talk)

Hello, Sca. It sounds as if you might have inadvertently selected a different skin. Pick "Preferences" from the top of the page, and then "Appearance", and you will see a number of skins you can choose from. --ColinFine (talk) 10:49, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Page format

OK, I got the point size down with the mousewheel. However, the page display remains different, with the search box at top right rather than in the left column as before. How to switch back? TNX. Sca (talk) 17:00, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Search box at top right is the default. Maybe you have changed skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. The default is Vector. Search box placement is just one of many differences between skins. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:25, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, got it. Thanks much. Sca (talk) 17:50, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Was this deliberately added?

Read this page: File:En-uk-Swindon.ogg. "hi how are you wuu2" Looks like vandalism to me. I am unable to edit it as it shows me that the page does not exist yet. I don't want to create this page because I'm not sure what consequences I may observe after I do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faizi1997 (talk • contribs) 17:49, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

This was vandalism at the page at WikiMedia Commons, commons:File:En-uk-Swindon.ogg. I have removed it. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:59, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks. --Faizi1997 (talk) 18:02, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

To clarify further, many files are hosted at Commons so they can be used in many wikis and not just the English Wikipedia. File:En-uk-Swindon.ogg says: "This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons. Information from its description page there is shown below." You can click "description page there" to go to the Commons page where John removed the vandalism. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:08, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

and a little bit more detail: the page "does not exist" in the English Wikipedia sphere, the software is automagically making the link to the file page over at Wikimedia Commons. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:19, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, I guess that clears up the confusion. --Faizi1997 (talk) 18:05, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

talk/discussion problem and I want WIKIPEDIA edit

Hello WIKIPEDIA,

I want WIKIPEDIA edits on Gay Marriage in the United States - Civil Marriage Laws edited 1-22-2014,

With year Same-Sex Marriage or Civil Unions Enacted Plus Pending Lawsuits

Please edit on Virginia had been overturned same-sex ban last February x 2014 on this page, asap!

Please keep editing per monthly on this page, thank you ..

I do not know how do with talk/discussion page, so please help me! smile! — Preceding unsigned comment added by David099 (talk • contribs)

Hi, I'm not exactly sure what changes you are asking to be made, but the best place to discuss these changes is on the article's talk page. The article for Gay Marriage in the United States redirects to Same-sex marriage in the United States. The talk page appears to be quite active, and can be found here: Talk:Same-sex marriage in the United States Hope that helps. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:26, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

I presume he is refering to the File:US_Civil_Marriage_Laws.png which is displayed on Same-sex marriage in the United States. Changes to the image should be discussed on File Talk:US_Civil_Marriage_Laws.png, but that's relatively inactive. Unfortunately (in a wikipedia sense), the changes on Same Sex Marriage have occured so rapidly over the last year or so, that changes to images like that (which are non-trivial) can fall behind. I agree that Talk:Same-sex marriage in the United States is a good place to request it give the inactivity of the talk page for the image. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naraht (talk • contribs)

Changing multiple articles

I've recently created about 75 new articles on U.S. Navy aviation squadrons. I learned a lot as I worked on them. One of the things I learned is that I need to go through them and add three items to the "See also" sections. I can do this one-by-one, as I have a list of all of them. I'm wondering if there's a tool or something to make this job easier. Lou Sander (talk) 21:16, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

WP:AWB might do the job, but it might take more time to down load and set up than you would save for 75 edits. Plus you need approval to use it, although that is not hard to obtain. DES ^(talk) 22:05, 21 February 2014 (UTC)