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January 20

Referencing errors on Harpy Eagle

Reference help requested.

I understand I might have edited the page in a way that interferes with the references. How can I fix this?

Thanks, PMS123 (talk) 01:58, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

You need to move the "<ref>http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/life/Haast's_Eagle#p00cl8kf</ref>" so that the "<ref>" is to the left of the end of the sentence you want to source. It now[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=591352508] appears after the {{Reflist|30em}}, so Reflist cannot see it. -- Jreferee (talk) 02:08, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

(e/c)I used the toolbar to fill in some of the citation details and took out the ref tags so that it can sit after the reflist without causing a warning. Or you can add ref tags around it again and place it in the body as an inline citation for whichever fact it supports. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom

Information Clarification on Courtice Ontario

I served as Ward 1 Durham Regional Councillor from 1988-1997. I also resided in Courtice.The mail problem was this. We had a rapidly developing area with residents mail being delivered to the city of Oshawa or Bowmanville. A motion was passed by the then Newcastle council to negotiate a Courtice address and delivery. How was this done? I brought a motion before council to negotiate this. Supported by council the Director of Planning and I met Officials of Canada Post in Toronto and negotiated this change. I am the direct source. I now make my home in Florida. Larry C. Hannah

See above. The current CEO of Clarington Franklin Wue and I were the negotiators.

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wlox — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.161.107.199 (talk) 06:01, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

The question must be about this section: Courtice#Postal_history. Maproom (talk) 09:57, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Notability and tourism sites

I'm trying to help an editor establish notability in his AfC submission about a brewery and he asked a question I hadn't really thought about. Would this help establish notability? It's a tourism site for the town the brewery is located in and covers its history - I can honestly see two lines of reasoning here, and so I figured I should seek some advice. Part of me worries that the source is too closely related to help establish notability ('Come to X we have y!') and another part thinks that if the town considers this brewery important enough to be a tourist draw, that it should kind of mean something. Thoughts? --TKK! bark with me! 06:28, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

My own views only: some tourist guides are honestly written in the interests of tourists, but many preferentially mention the businesses which have sponsored their production. We can't be sure about this one, so I would prefer to avoid it. Maproom (talk) 10:02, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

content of page "Dinas Island"

The page on Dinas Island is unacurate. Dinas Island is owned by the National Trust but is NOT run by them. The Perkins family have an full tenancy and they run it. It is the Perkins family who recently won the Sheep Farmer of the Year Award and also The UK National Grassland Management Award. As this site is used by many of our visitors and campers it would be very much appreciated if you could correct it. Many thanks Roger Perkins Dinas Island Farm Dinas, Newport. Pembrokeshire SA42 0SE 07970 108390 20th January 2014 31.50.135.192 (talk) 07:59, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

The most reliable source I can find for this claim is Farmers Weekly, which states that the farm is part owned and part rented. I've updated the article with this information. If you can supply a reliable source showing that the Perkins family have full tenancy, then the article can be updated accordingly. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:11, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The Dinas Island article doesn't say that the NT run it, it says that it's under their care. I assume, for instance, that they would object if you wanted to put a wind farm on it. Maproom (talk) 10:13, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

At the time of the original question, the last paragraph of the article did say "... owned and run by the national Trust", but Yunshui changed it a few minutes before your reply, Maproom. David Biddulph (talk) 12:27, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Twoo.com wiki issue orphan

• Twoo.com (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Meetic (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Dear,

The wikipedia page of Twoo.com [[1]] was edited and improved several times. There are 2 issues marked on that page:

This article is an orphan, as no other articles link to it. (July 2013)

This article appears to be written like an advertisement. (July 2013)

However, in the current version of the Twoo.com Wikipedia page both issues are still on top. Are those unsubstantiated? Would be great if this could be reviewed again.

Best Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.73.176.113 (talk) 10:26, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I have removed the "orphan" tag. However the article has another problem. The lead, which ought to summarise the article, is promotional. However most of the body of the article is negative, stating how Twoo.com misuses email addresses provided by its users to send spam. This ought to be summarised in the lead. Maproom (talk) 10:55, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

actually, Twoo.com does not appear to be notable on its own, so I have upmerged it to the parent company Meetic, which has its own notability issues, but together there is a stronger case. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:38, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

My links don't work!

Noelle Reno (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hello, I submitted my first article last week. It seems there is an issue with it being an Orphan but I have nearly 40 references through. They appear at the bottom of the article and do click through to the correct article. So why is it saying my article is an "Orphan"? Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fashionista Official (talk • contribs) 10:46, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

It does help us if you tell us which article you are talking about - I assume the article is Noelle Reno?
You seem to misunderstand the meaning of the word orphan - when on that page, if you click on "What links here" (under Tools in the left hand column) you will find what links to that article. In this case no articles link to it, only some Bot searches. You need to integrate your article into the encyclopedia, by adding relevant links in other articles, that lead to Noelle Reno. For more information, please see WP:Orphan - Arjayay (talk) 10:58, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

And most of the links in that article do work. This raises the question of what we might call an article that has no outgoing wikilinks; it doesn't seem to be a WP:WIDOW (which essay I don't really understand).--Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:08, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

An article with no outgoing wikilinks is a dead end. David Biddulph (talk) 12:31, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

WP:WIDOW is somewhat ironically cautioning that a person who spends too much time working on Wikipedia may cause a spouse or other close associate to feel "widowed" with potentially bad effects. DES ^(talk) 16:18, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Found *one* article that references her. Ice Queen (film) and added the link.Naraht (talk) 16:00, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Getting started de-merging files

Hi, I am interested in helping out clear up Category:Media_files_requiring_de-merge. To de-merge is it simply a case of uploading the second copy to a new file name and setting the file page/description to match the version at that time? Is there any documentation or any tools I should use for this or is manual the way to go? Thank you. Cube00 (talk) 11:12, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

User:Cube00: I think this involves looking at the history of the files themselves, uploading an old version of the actual image with the appropriate file use info (or conversely, reverting the already-extant file to the original version and uploading new version as new file), and perhaps requesting that the previous file revisions on the older file be deleted. I may be wrong about any or all of this, and I don't know of any tools (though manual is definitely an option if my list of what to do is correct). - Purplewowies (talk) 20:41, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

referencing

I am trying to reference an article but am having a hard time corresponding the information in text annotation with the reference annotation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoan vidoni (talk • contribs) 15:28, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

A good starting point is to read WP:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:35, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Helen Marie Grant

We are looking for assistance changing the page name of Helen Grant (Self-Help Author) to Helen Marie Grant, the name she now writes under. Can someone please assist? Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.124.147.85 (talk) 15:31, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I moved the article and changed the disambiguation page. I think that I did it correctly. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:34, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I note that none of the references at Helen Marie Grant is to an acceptable independent source. [1] is to the site of the publisher of her book, [2] is to an article which does not mention her, [3], [5] and [6] are to articles by her, and [4] is to a Google search. Unless you can produce references to independent reliable sources which demonstrate that she is notable in Wikipedia's sense, the article is in danger of being deleted. Maproom (talk) 16:10, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

And incidentally, the article Helen Grant (young adult author) is worse. It has just one reference, to its subject's own book. Maproom (talk) 16:23, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Please keep an eye on the martin Luther King day page

People are replacing the picture of MLK with pictures of both grumpy cat and Hitler so far — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.79.222.119 (talk) 18:27, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

This has now been semi-protected Arjayay (talk) 20:06, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Richard Sherman / Seattle Seahawks

Hi, He played for the Stanford Cardinal, not the Stanford Cardinals … It's a color, not a bird …

Thanks, John in Colorado — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.118.120.24 (talk) 19:46, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out, John; it has already been corrected. ~HueSatLum 20:13, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

how do i export all famous people?

like: julianne moore | dob | actress ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.163.139 (talk) 19:50, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

+ Thanks, − this is for a database project. i would very much like to have at least 10k names or more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.163.139 (talk) 19:49, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

You could make use of Wikipedia's "persondata" implementation, you can find some methods for extracting the data at Wikipedia:Persondata#Extraction of persondata. This toolserver project that is linked on that page seems easy enough. Scarce2 (talk) 20:38, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Can't remember where I asked before

I have a journal article I want to use in editing, linked here, on the mechanism of paracetamol toxicity. I remember asking a similar question in the past where I had a journal I wanted to use but didn't have access, and there was a wikiproject or something that existed specifically for that purpose and it's slipping my mind. If all else fails I'll ask WP:MED. 24.18.193.73 (talk) 20:39, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Try WP:REX RudolfRed (talk) 21:06, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

That's what I was looking for. I found another source to use for the article, but I'll have to staple that project in my brain somewhere since it's a question that's likely to come up again. 24.18.193.73 (talk) 21:08, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Seattle Seahawks entry.

Wiki claims that the Seahawks are the only team to appear in both NFC and AFC title games. This is wrong. The Colts have done it as well (Baltimore for the NFC and Indianapolis for the AFC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.91.97.238 (talk) 20:57, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

The Baltimore Colts were in the AFC East and the Indianapolis Colts were in the AFC East and South. Neither was in the NFC. RudolfRed (talk) 21:09, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Since the claim does not seem to supported by a reference, it is a piece of original research, and not acceptable in an article: any editor may remove it (but I haven't, because it is embedded in a larger claim which, though not referenced, may very well be supportable from references; and I know nothing about whichever sport it is they play (OK, American football, now I've looked). But a claim that something is the "only" something should never appear in a Wikipedia article unless it reference a reliable source which says so. --ColinFine (talk) 15:52, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

The confusion may be that the Baltimore Colts were a team in the Western Conference of the National Football League (NFL) and played in NFL championships. That is not the same as playing for an NFC championship which was founded when the NFL and American Football League (AFL) merged and the Baltimore Colts became a team in the American Football Conference (AFC). They remained in the AFC when they moved to Indianapolis.

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Andrew Gunadie

Dear editors: I came across this article which was declined at Afc because the topic is already covered at Gunnarolla. I checked to see if the mainspace article was a copy-paste, but at first it appeared not to be one. However, as the article developed the editor seems to have used the Afc article as a guide and there is significant overlap. There is already a redirect Andrew Gunadie. Is there enough similarity that this redirect should be deleted and the Afc article put in mainspace and redirected instead? Or should the Afc article be deleted under G13? —Anne Delong (talk) 21:00, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay, it's been deleted, so I guess the question is moot. —Anne Delong (talk) 19:48, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

The biographical information on ROBERT GARDNER (CO-WRITER) LE CRIE DU COEUR Film is wrong.

Hello, My name is Robert Gardner. I am the co-writer of Le Crie Du Coeur. I am NOT the DOCUMENTARY FILMMAKER - ROBERT GARDNER. This mix-up happens very often. I only recently discovered this mix-up. I am a director: I COULD HEAR YOU ALL THE WAY DOWN THE HALL (short 17 mns) CLARENCE AND ANGEL Feature 73 mns(winner second prize and Humanity Award at the Locarno Film Festival) KING JAMES VERSION 93mns I am a CO-screenwriter: LE CRIE DU COUER WEDDING PALACE 2013

Is there please anyway that I can correct this mix-up. Film Professionals around the world are turning to Wikipedia for information on other film professionals and people are confused.

Thank you, Robert Gardner — Preceding unsigned comment added by Possibleodds (talk • contribs) 21:15, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Please give a link to the page with a problem. Le Crie Du Coeur is not mentioned in Wikipedia. Robert Gardner (anthropologist), Robert H. Gardner and Robert Gardner (academic) are all about filmmakers but I don't know whether you are any of them. None of them mention the titles you posted here. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:00, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I've unlinked the name in the infobox of our article The Heart's Cry. If someone decides to write an article about this Mr. Gardner, they can handle the necessary disambiguation. Deor (talk) 22:03, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Oh, the poster misspelt his own film Le Cri du coeur. That's why I couldn't find it and wasted a lot of time trying to figure out what the post was about. None of our Robert Gardner articles are apparently about him. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:19, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Category:Medical mnemonics

User:Beechnuttery help requested. Sorry, I am completely naive about making Wikipedia entries. Did I correct the error that is dated Jan 3? If not please guide me, and if I did, please remove the entry or error entry or tell me how to do it.

Thanks, Beechnuttery (talk) 21:19, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

It has already been reverted. Please read Help:Category to understand category pages. --  Gadget850 ^talk 21:44, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

You also made a referncing error, which I have fixed, on List of medical mnemonics. Closing ref tags should not go on the same line as section headers. DES ^(talk) 22:01, 20 January 2014 (UTC)